To: Cei-U Re: Favorites 2008

[prince hal]

Not to be a noodge, Kurt, but is it too early to ask what you'll be asking us to submit as favorites for Christmas this year?

I ask this as one of those who never gets the full ten items in, but who is vowng to do so this year. :)

[The Confessor]

Good question! Last year's “Our Favourite Comics Adaptations” list was the first one I had partaken in and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was especially nice for me because at the time, I had some terrible and heartbreaking things happening in my immediate family's life. This competition was a welcome distraction from all the seriousness and heartache I was surrounded by.

Count me in for this year, whatever the theme is!

[Cei-U!]

I'm not sure yet. I was gonna do covers but Drusilla's recent threads covered that pretty thoroughly. Then I was gonna do 12 favorite battles but Cronin beat me to the punch (har har!). But I'll come up with something good, I promise.

Cei-U!
I fudge my answer!

[benday-dot]

I'm not sure yet. I was gonna do covers but Drusilla's recent threads covered that pretty thoroughly. Then I was gonna do 12 favorite battles but Cronin beat me to the punch (har har!). But I'll come up with something good, I promise.

Cei-U!
I fudge my answer!

Whatever, you come up with will be terrific Kurt. But if you do still decide you want to do covers I'd be smiling.

[Lone Ranger]

I think covers would work just fine, as we'd have free range to choose whatever we like.

Those other thread deal with predetermined short lists.

[Cei-U!]

I think covers would work just fine, as we'd have free range to choose whatever we like.

Those other thread deal with predetermined short lists.

Really? I never actually looked at any of those threads (nothing against Dru, I'm just not spending much time online while I'm trying to find a new place to live). I'm not promising anything just yet but...

Cei-U!
I hold my cards close to my chest!

[spoon_jenkins]

I think covers would work just fine, as we'd have free range to choose whatever we like.

Those other thread deal with predetermined short lists.
I second the motion! I abstained from the predetermined list threads.

[dan bailey]

Here's another vote for covers. I only threw a handful into the superhero covers thread, & even then I cited only Marvels ... mostly Spider-Man at that.

[Slam_Bradley]

I'm happy with whatever Kurt decides. I have really enjoyed this the last few years.

[Lone Ranger]

I have complete faith in Kurt, too.

Whatever he does will be mind blowing and certainly the best thing on the internet in 2008.

No pressure though, buddy!

[Cei-U!]

So we're all cool with "Our 12 Favorite Things About Cei-U!" then? :biggrin:

Cei-U!
Maybe not: I can only think of three!

[Drusilla lives!]

Gee... why don't you all just beat up on the new member. How was I to know Cei-U! did a covers thing every year? Don't want to steal anyones thunder... I guess I should email Sir Tim Drake to ask permission next time I start a new thread.

And once again, for those who didn't bother with those threads, I chose the covers yes... but just for this year. I did ask you guys for input to possible future cover polls next year if people were really interested in them... even asked for input in format and structure of said polls... but most just bitched about why this or that artist was left out.

[prince hal]

1) Good luck with your search for lodging, Kurt.

2) Sorry if I added to your to-do list.

3) Your ideas for the list have always been thought-provoking and entertaining, so not to worry.

4) I would start that last category idea with "affability" and include "puckishness," "courage" and fun-lovingness" in my list.

[Drusilla lives!]

Sir Tim Drake, you have my permission to go ahead and close/delete those "Best Of" polls... I didn't notice those "sticky" threads at the top of the forum (honestly). Sorry Cei-U!... go for it dude.

[benday-dot]

Gee... why don't you all just beat up on the new member. How was I to know Cei-U! did a covers thing every year? Don't want to steal anyones thunder... I guess I should email Sir Tim Drake to ask permission next time I start a new thread.

And once again, for those who didn't bother with those threads, I chose the covers yes... but just for this year. I did ask you guys for input to possible future cover polls next year if people were really interested in them... even asked for input in format and structure of said polls... but most just bitched about why this or that artist was left out.

Hope it doesn't come across as beating up on you Drusilla. I, and I'm sure others here as well, enjoyed your threads and their corresponding polls.

You, had some dandies there. People are obviously passionate about their comics and comic cover art in particular.

There are so many great and thought provoking covers out there that everyone has their own list of favourites. There are still plenty for people to choose!

Whatever Cei-U decides it will be lots of fun. I though last years theme would be tough, but I found myself really into it once I got going.

But the best thing about these Christmas lists is learning about other people's choices.

[Drusilla lives!]

Hope it doesn't come across as beating up on you Drusilla. I, and I'm sure others here as well, enjoyed your threads and their corresponding polls.

You, had some dandies there. People are obviously passionate about their comics and comic cover art in particular.


Thanks, no big deal. BTW, I wasn't really talking about you though... they know who they are... and they can go f**k off.


There are so many great and thought provoking covers out there that everyone has their own list of favourites. There are still plenty for people to choose!


Believe it or not, those polls weren't composed strictly of my favourites... if they did they would have been all EC and Warren covers.


Whatever Cei-U decides it will be lots of fun. ...
I'm sure it will be and that's cool... I look forward to it also.

... I though last years theme would be tough, but I found myself really into it once I got going.

But the best thing about these Christmas lists is learning about other people's choices.

Right, that's what it should all be about... having fun and talking about comics and forgetting our real problems for awhile.

[The Confessor]

Gee... why don't you all just beat up on the new member. How was I to know Cei-U! did a covers thing every year? Don't want to steal anyones thunder... I guess I should email Sir Tim Drake to ask permission next time I start a new thread.

Thanks, no big deal. BTW, I wasn't really talking about you though... they know who they are... and they can go f**k off.


Hey, Drusilla...I don't think anyone meant any offence. From what I can gather, a lot of people really enjoyed partaking in your comic cover threads. I'm sure I speak for a lot of folks here when I say that it's really great to see such a relatively new member contributing so much to the cut-and-thrust of the Classic Comics forum.

I honestly don't think anyone's trying to beat up on you here. In my experience, you don't really get that sort of immaturity in this forum. I mean, the entire CBR forums are thankfully pretty free of petty squabbling and bitchiness but the Classic Comics forum in particular is almost totally free from that kind of silliness as far as I can tell.

I guess you just get a higher class of poster here. :cool: :wink:




But the best thing about these Christmas lists is learning about other people's choices.


Amen to that, brother!

[Lone Ranger]

Thanks, no big deal. BTW, I wasn't really talking about you though... they know who they are... and they can go f**k off.


Seriously?

We are a very welcoming group here, but we certainly don't condone that kind of response.

Some people may have enjoyed the structure of your polls, others maybe not so much.

That's life.

I can't tell you how many brilliant threads I've started that have garnered next to no response.

[InfoBroker]

So we're all cool with "Our 12 Favorite Things About Cei-U!" then? :biggrin:

Cei-U!
Maybe not: I can only think of three!


Hey Cool! A 12 favorites that would be very easy for me to finish and that would be a first.

I love the 12 faves threads. My only problem is between work and holiday festivities I run out of time to finish mine. I probably have the worst record.

But I have read 'em all, and I love learning what others like and love, hate and despise about this very personal and very passionate hobby of ours.

-jb the "really should go back and finish at least one of them" ib -

[InfoBroker]

I can't tell you how many brilliant threads I've started that have garnered next to no response.

I can. 247 and growing. Canada's third largest export is Lone Ranger CBR threads.

And brilliant is an understatement. When the power grids are stressed in the summer months, the Niagara Falls Electrical Works taps into Kimosabe's Classic Comics threads as their first bank of reserve energy.

Distant astronomers think that Toronto forms a twin star when viewing our solar system"

Matt Murdock was blinded by glancing at one of those threads.

The X-men have recruited several mutants whose genes were distorted by the light of those threads.

Mole man has nary a tunnel near Toronto and its surrounding suburbs due to the kelvins that these threads generate.

Every morning, I make my toast by facing it east towards Toronto (and I live in Minnesota).

Global Warming could be deferred for a generation or two if we could figure out how to tone down Kimo's threads just a tad.

-jb the "being a smarty pants but also thanking Kimosabe once again for all the wonderful insights and enlightenment he has provided here at CBR" ib -

[dan bailey]

So we're all cool with "Our 12 Favorite Things About Cei-U!" then? :biggrin:

Cei-U!
Maybe not: I can only think of three!

Well, after "me, myself & I," you've pretty much covered the field ...

[dan bailey]

Yeah, Drusilla -- don't sweat it, for heaven's sake. The only reason I had very little to contribute to most of your covers threads is pure lack of time, especially since I'm on dial-up at home & collecting images from the GCD or Lone Star or wherever then saving them to Photobucket, then posting them here takes longer than I can usually bear. (The images I posted in the superhero covers thread happened to have already been saved from earlier this year.)

I'm certainly not above indulging in such activity while here at work, where we have DSL, but of late I've been wrestling with (&, alas, losing to) a stupid new content management system that has made my job much more exacting. *sigh*

[Drusilla lives!]

Seriously?

We are a very welcoming group here, but we certainly don't condone that kind of response. ...


You too dude? I didn't think my response would have offended you, since it wasn't aimed at you... but if you feel you need to comment on it then I guess you felt it did/was, which I find rather surprising.

For the short time I've been posting in the classics forum you've seemed to be a pretty nice person, at least as far as I know. It seems if you had nothing good to say you didn't say anything, which is good and decent of you. If you felt compelled to comment you did so in a constructive manner. That's the kind of thing I try to do with others and I expect it in kind... unfortunately not every one thinks that way. Certain members have a strange way of expressing themselves, I know... but frankly, some sound downright snobby and cliquish and have, I feel, treated me rather unkindly.

Now I'm not so sure about you either... your current tone to me belies something else. But I don't really know you and you don't know me and I apologize if I am misjudging you... we communicate in this, a text based world, and so words are all we have to go by... and are we really here to judge anyone?


Some people may have enjoyed the structure of your polls, others maybe not so much.

That's life.

I can't tell you how many brilliant threads I've started that have garnered next to no response.


That's my feeling as well... life doesn't revolve around anyone, no one is the center of the universe. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression, it was not my intention at all. And I never really considered my threads to be "brilliant" anyway... I don't really care if they fail since they're done on a lark. We are suppose to be having fun no? But on the other hand, you seem to be assuming this has everything to do with the recent threads I've started and it does not. But I think everyone should drop it and move on, we can only unintentionally offend ourselves further with misinterpretations of language and unfounded innuendoes... and we're here to discuss comics.

[Drusilla lives!]

Yeah, Drusilla -- don't sweat it, for heaven's sake. The only reason I had very little to contribute to most of your covers threads is pure lack of time, especially since I'm on dial-up at home & collecting images from the GCD or Lone Star or wherever then saving them to Photobucket, then posting them here takes longer than I can usually bear. (The images I posted in the superhero covers thread happened to have already been saved from earlier this year.)

I'm certainly not above indulging in such activity while here at work, where we have DSL, but of late I've been wrestling with (&, alas, losing to) a stupid new content management system that has made my job much more exacting. *sigh*

I apologize to you for my comments, you've got your problems like everyone else.

And you don't have to contribute if you don't want to... no big deal.

[dan bailey]

Not to belabor the point, but I'm sure LR was objecting to the following from your earlier post:

they know who they are... and they can go f**k off.

My secret identity isn't exactly Politeness Man or anything*, but that sort of thing just isn't said here. On those rare occasions when it is, the person posting it can expect to be upbraided. Heck, at least a couple of times I've been wrist-slapped by Sir Tim myself, & for less than that.



*I tend to try to reserve my admitted tendency toward truculence for other forums, for better or worse.

[Drusilla lives!]

Not to belabor the point, but I'm sure LR was objecting to the following from your earlier post:



My secret identity isn't exactly Politeness Man or anything*, but that sort of thing just isn't said here. On those rare occasions when it is, the person posting it can expect to be upbraided. Heck, at least a couple of times I've been wrist-slapped by Sir Tim myself.



*I tend to try to reserve my tendency toward truculence for other columns, for better or worse.


If that's the case, I apologize to all for not keeping the thread PG. And again, sorry for lashing out at you and prince hal.

[Lone Ranger]

You too dude? I didn't think my response would have offended you, since it wasn't aimed at you... but if you feel you need to comment on it then I guess you felt it did/was, which I find rather surprising.


I actually had no idea who it was aimed at, as I've likely missed some drama somewhere. The only purpose of my post is to express that members of this board don't ever tell each other to 'Eff Off. In fact, it's expressly forbidden and can result in a banning.

You're right - I don't tend to speak unless I have something useful to contribute and I do think that I'm a pretty decent guy - but as much as we have a solid, long serving moderator on here, we rely on a certain level of self-policing. If you lob a harsh insult at another member - someone will step in and tell you that your behaviour is inappropriate.

At Classics, flame wars are more rare than a NM copy of The Flame #1.

We've had very few squabbles in here over the years. A few of us have butted heads (sometimes with creators) but we try to forgive and forget pretty quickly.

We are a real clique - one with an 'all are welcome' policy. If you're posting on here, you're in the clique. Even though I pronounce it 'cleek' - they still let me in.

I've never come close to meeting a better bunch of intelligent, warm, welcoming and open minded people as I've found with this bunch.

So don't tell people to 'Eff Off - that pretty much sums it up.

'Nuff Said

[Lone Ranger]

Re-reading my post, I just want to make it clear that I'm not trying to 'pile on' or come across as sanctimonious.

You're very welcome here - we need you here. Just don't read too much into posts - you're quite correct about the difficulting in expressing oneself properly given the constraits of a type reply.

[Slam_Bradley]

Re-reading my post, I just want to make it clear that I'm not trying to 'pile on' or come across as sanctimonious.

You're very welcome here - we need you here. Just don't read too much into posts - you're quite correct about the difficulting in expressing oneself properly given the constraits of a type reply.


I don't think you were piling on. And you're very right. We're a very peaceable group here. I've been on this board (Classics) since it very first started. And I can only think of two or three even semi-serious squabbles. The most recent being with the Inker's Kid. I'll admit I tussled with a creator at least once about public domain. But mostly it's extremely rare to have any language or flame-war issues.

[Drusilla lives!]

I actually had no idea who it was aimed at, as I've likely missed some drama somewhere.

You got that right... but it wasn't a big deal to me till now.

...
You're right - I don't tend to speak unless I have something useful to contribute
and I do think that I'm a pretty decent guy ...

Did you care to make any useful contributions to those other polls? No. You could have left a comment like the one you had here... that you felt they were "predetermined short lists" and a structure with "free range to choose" or whatever, would be better. Now that I think about it, maybe you had a reason to feel I was talking about you. Maybe I hit a nerve?

...
- but as much as we have a solid, long serving moderator on here, we rely on a certain level of self-policing. If you lob a harsh insult at another member - someone will step in and tell you that your behaviour is inappropriate.

At Classics, flame wars are more rare than a NM copy of The Flame #1.

We've had very few squabbles in here over the years. A few of us have butted heads (sometimes with creators) but we try to forgive and forget pretty quickly.

We are a real clique - one with an 'all are welcome' policy. If you're posting on here, you're in the clique. Even though I pronounce it 'cleek' - they still let me in.

I've never come close to meeting a better bunch of intelligent, warm, welcoming and open minded people as I've found with this bunch.

So don't tell people to 'Eff Off - that pretty much sums it up.

'Nuff Said

I guess what you're telling me in your own decent way is to "Eff Off."

You're right it was a rash, harsh insult, and I have apologized for it. I guess I should keep my insults to the high brow, low key, witty ones, that everyone loves hen pecking each other with here... sorry.

Well don't worry governor, I won't transgress again... I promise governor. But since it's so hard for me (being a hopeless reprobate) not to engage in inappropriate behavior, I'll ban myself... if Sir Tim doesn't. Don't worry you won't hear "Eff Off" from me again or anything for that matter... you can keep your cliques to yourself.

[Drusilla lives!]

Re-reading my post, I just want to make it clear that I'm not trying to 'pile on' or come across as sanctimonious.

You're very welcome here - we need you here. Just don't read too much into posts - you're quite correct about the difficulting in expressing oneself properly given the constraits of a type reply.

Well I guess it's too late now isn't it (after my last post)? I did warn of expressing oneself in words and to drop it... sorry. Nevertheless, I think I'm leaving the classics forum anyway... not my cup of tea... best of luck to everyone and no hard feelings.

Nuff Said.

[Lone Ranger]

You got that right... but it wasn't a big deal to me till now.



Did you care to make any useful contributions to those other polls? No. You could have left a comment like the one you had here... that you felt they were "predetermined short lists" and a structure with "free range to choose" or whatever, would be better. Now that I think about it, maybe you had a reason to feel I was talking about you. Maybe I hit a nerve?

Hmmm....

All I was suggesting to Kurt was that we were looking at two different beasts - one an open ended questions for a top 12 list and the other being a selection from predetermined nominees. Kurt was worried about stepping on your toes - I was trying to say that they were sufficiently different so as not to come into conflict.

No nerves hit.

I guess what you're telling me in your own decent way is to "Eff Off."

Not at all - if you really take the time to read my post, you'll see that I only have one small quibble, but that I welcome your contributions here. Here it is again.

Re-reading my post, I just want to make it clear that I'm not trying to 'pile on' or come across as sanctimonious.

You're very welcome here - we need you here. Just don't read too much into posts - you're quite correct about the difficulting in expressing oneself properly given the constraits of a type reply.


Well don't worry governor, I won't transgress again... I promise governor. But since it's so hard for me (being a hopeless reprobate) not to engage in inappropriate behavior, I'll ban myself... if Sir Tim doesn't. Don't worry you won't hear "Eff Off" from me again or anything for that matter... you can keep your cliques to yourself.

All I was trying to say that the insult was out of line. Nothing more, nothing less. This certainly needn't turn into a real mess. I'm not the boss of anyone on here - but we do self-police a little bit - rather than go running to a mod for an automatic banning. I'm not the mod - but I am concerned with maintaining a certain level of decorum here. We all are.

You seem upset - I tried to post as carefully as possible, but perhaps something was lost along the way. Furthermore, I tried to reiterate that I was only concerned with the insult and that you are otherwise welcomed here. I thought I was pretty clear - if I wasn't, my apologies.

[Drusilla lives!]

...
I thought I was pretty clear - if I wasn't, my apologies.

Forget it... it's no big deal.

[Aaron King]

Classic Comics Christmas 2008: Your 12 Favorite Animal-Based Villains
Would Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man count? Or the Beagle Boys? Mole Man would certainly be near the top of my list. And I would try to sneak Fin Fang Foom in.

[benday-dot]

Even though I pronounce it 'cleek' - they still let me in.

Tis the way I pronounce it too. Must be a Canadian thing.

Thinking again about Cei-U's excellent Christmas project in the making, and at the same time having read through Scott's own blog list of great 8 pagers... Sometime, somewhere it would be nice to read of everyone's favourite comic book "shorts' or back-up stories. I don't mean mini-series, but those obscure or less so comic book stories that never received their own series or cover page, and more often than not inhabit their own peculiar four colour world from beyond continuity.

I suppose we have had threads of this sort before, but as LR implies on his blog its a whole not so often discussed comic book sub-culture of storytelling ... that's particularly at home here in the universe of classic comics.

[InfoBroker]

Tis the way I pronounce it too. Must be a Canadian thing.

I was trying to overlook this when I saw it in Kimo's message, but now it's too late. You'll both have to leave. There ain't room in these parts for varmits who can't say 'click' core-wrecked-lee.

Actually, here in Minnie-sew-tah, I've heard (and used it) it both ways, so maybe I can still turn the other "chique" an not be so quick to exclude. Of course here in Minnesota we also say "you betcha" and drop our "g"s a lot. The uninitiated would be shocked at how much we all sound like Sara Palin. Maybe its the cold weather and snow freezin' our jaws that influence that form of enunciation. That or they have a lot Swedes in Alaska too.

Back on topic time:

Short stories would indeed be an interesting list to construct. Most of mine would source from Will Eisner Spirit tales and Carl Barks' ducks. I'd also ignore the rules and squeeze a Pogo Peek-a-Book tale in there as well.

Assuming of course that I could finish the list this time...

-jb the "that would be a pretty big assumption" ib -

[InfoBroker]

oops, and of course Charlie Droople. He'd be in there too, without a doubt.

- jb the "is this man bothering you?" ib -

[spoon_jenkins]

For my part, DL!, I'm sorry if anything in my post came across as mean. I just don't want Cei-U! to foreclose the possibility of doing covers. The Twelve Days of Classic Christmas is basically open-ended, so I think it and your cover polls are drawing from two different wells.

I think folks try to make the Classics Board a friendly environment. Even when people strongly disagree about a given comic or character, I'm glad they try to disagree respectfully.

BTW, Drusilla is one of my favorite Buffy characters.

[dan bailey]

Tis the way I pronounce it too. Must be a Canadian thing.

Well, so do I, & all told I've spent less than a month of my life above the Mason-Dixon line ...

Then again, I also say eyether/neyether rather than eether/neether, so who knows?

[The Confessor]

Tis the way I pronounce it too. Must be a Canadian thing.


It's a British thing too...I pronounce Clique as "cleek". How else would you pronounce it??? :confused:

[InfoBroker]

Then again, I also say eyether/neyether rather than eether/neether, so who knows?

Ira and George Gershwin?

- jb the "have a poe-tay-toe" ib -

[Sir Tim Drake]

I've always pronounced it "click".

[The Confessor]

I've always pronounced it "click".



Awww...that's a shame, you've been wrong all these years. :tongue: :evilsmile:

[spoon_jenkins]

Awww...that's a shame, you've been wrong all these years. :tongue: :evilsmile:
Mydictionary lists both cleek and click as correct pronounciations, so fortunately your cleek click have failed to prevent it from entering common established usage.

[Drusilla lives!]

For my part, DL!, I'm sorry if anything in my post came across as mean. I just don't want Cei-U! to foreclose the possibility of doing covers. The Twelve Days of Classic Christmas is basically open-ended, so I think it and your cover polls are drawing from two different wells.

I think folks try to make the Classics Board a friendly environment. Even when people strongly disagree about a given comic or character, I'm glad they try to disagree respectfully.

BTW, Drusilla is one of my favorite Buffy characters.

I don't think Cei-U! should foreclose the possibility of doing covers either. I have no beef with Cei-U!... I don't even know Cei-U! I don't hold Cei-U! responsible for the comments of others. And I'm ashamed that this dust up happened in a thread involving Cei-U!. I'll say only one last thing with regard to this "poll" issue... and this does not apply to you spoon personally... I'm just taking your post as an opportunity to state a point.

I guess what I didn't like was that it appeared that people were saying in effect "I don't like the format of that poll" or "no freedom of choice in that poll," or basically, "no this artist or that artist in that poll," in this thread without casting a vote or leaving a comment in the respective thread. Even a "hey dude, someone does something like that already, but nice try, and thanks" would be helpful. I mean, it seems a bit strange to me that people comment on those polls here, but don't do so there. You know the format, maybe even have taken the time to look at the entries, and yet you didn't bother to even vote or leave a comment but here you do?

Every month dozens of comics are printed and every month people buy them. Sometimes they find a cover they like, sometimes they don't, but I'm sure they always have an opinion on what is presented to them. That is, they have no choice in the matter, but given the set of comics they buy, they always might prefer one cover over another even if they all stink. If people looked at it that way I don't understand what the big deal is with those polls. Someone bought each and every comic on those "short" lists and if they were on the newsstand today someone would still buy them and maybe prefer one over the other.

With that in mind, one would expect at least that if one said "I don't like the format of that poll" or "no freedom of choice in that poll," it would be followed by "nevertheless I voted for this one." Even a vote for "none of the above" and a suggestion to an alternate cover (which might have been in next years poll). Many did just that... went along and voted anyway (thanks, BTW) and some seemed angry, but later gave some suggestions (thanks). I'm not implying that you are obligated to vote or comment, just because you were passing through my thread... then I would be somewhat out of touch. Just that if you had something to say you could have said it there and then here. But saying it here, without having said it there can give the wrong impression very quickly if not expressed correctly... which is what might have happened here.





BTW: from where I'm from it's pronounced "click."

[Cei-U!]

I've always pronounced it "click".

Exactly. Next thing you know, the "cleek" guys will be telling me it's pronounced "ee-LEET-izm" instead of "ee-LIGHT-izm" :biggrin:

Cei-U!
Eye SUM-un the LIG-hut-neeng!

[Lone Ranger]

It saddens me how much you Americans have turned your back on your French heritage.

I'd certainly hope that anyone within spitting distance of the Mississippi (or the Quebec or NB borders) would say 'cleek'.

[spoon_jenkins]

It saddens me how much you Americans have turned your back on your French heritage.

I'd certainly hope that anyone within spitting distance of the Mississippi (or the Quebec or NB borders) would say 'cleek'.
I live within spitting distance of New Brunswick, but it's the original New Brunswick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Brunswick,_New_Jersey), not the imitation New Brunswick. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Brunswick) So when I see the word forte, I think of rap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rappin'_4-Tay) and not F-Troop.

[Lone Ranger]

I live within spitting distance of New Brunswick, but it's the original New Brunswick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Brunswick,_New_Jersey), not the imitation New Brunswick. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Brunswick) So when I see the word forte, I think of rap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rappin'_4-Tay) and not F-Troop.

Nice!

I can't tell you how shocked when I visited Calais, Maine and learned that residents pronounced in 'Callous'

Mon Dieu!

[Lone Ranger]

I also like how this thread is becoming the 'Rita's' of Classics.

[Jamie]

Ever notice how it's hard to post a calm-sounding sentence when addressing someone whose name includes a "!" in it? I could write "I like puppies, Cei-U!, and I hope you do too." And it sounds like I'm angry. :)

Jamie,
I summon the gimmick infringement! :p

[InfoBroker]

It saddens me how much you Americans have turned your back on your French heritage.

I'd certainly hope that anyone within spitting distance of the Mississippi (or the Quebec or NB borders) would say 'cleek'.

Alas, we are a mass of convoluted pronunciations derived from melting pot mixing and matching.

For example in Illinois (ill-e-noy) they have the city of Des Plaines (dez-planes) where the "s" are pronounced, but in the more cultured Iowa (pronounced I-O-WUH in all official capacities, but its ok to say I-O-WAY, but only by the locals) the capital city is Des Moines (du-moyn) and will you be totally laughed and scorned if you pronounce the "s".

Spanish cities are a bit tricky, it's Toe-lee-dough and May-drid instead of Toe-lay-dough and Ma-drid. But we do get Na-vay-dah correct. Go figure.

Minnie-sew-tons do well with Fairbault (Fare-bough), maybe its because we have a Little Canada as a suburb of the Twin Cities. Not that the city planners Minnie-apple-less and Saint Paul referred to themselves that way anymore.

Realize too, that in the waves and waves of immigration since the Louisiana Purchase, a lot of Germans, Swedes, English, Scott, Slavs and Irish decided that the spittin' distances of the upper midwest tributaries of the Mississippi massively were theirs' to overwhelm and settle.

The Chouteas, Beauchamps, Colvilles, Leclaires and Poindexters (had to get one geeky name in there) were soon outnumbered and outflanked by Healds, Frazers, O'Conners, Browns, Beacons, Johnsons, Dovermans, Radcliffes, Bakers, Kemps, Kenendys, Walters, Weilhelms, to name but a few...

Regional dialects seems to specialize, change and transform as fast if not faster than the shifts in demographics.

Just ask Al-es-tar Coo-key.

-jb the linguistic ib -

[dan bailey]

But we do get Na-vay-dah correct. Go figure.


Sez who? I've heard it pronounced Ne-VAH-dah all my life. Except for the county in southwest Arkansas -- that's Ne-VAY-dah.

I gather that natives of the state (Nevada, that is, not Arkansas) pronouce it the way you spelled it, but as I said I've never heard it that way otherwise. Not in person, not on TV, not in the movies, etc.

Speaking of movies, as a connoisseur of old sf flicks I've been wondering for awhile now when the pronunciation of "mutant" shifted from Myoo-TANT to MYOO-t(schwa)nt ...

[InfoBroker]

The natives of the state of Neveda pronounce it as you do, which is correct from a regional standpoint. But the citizens of Story County, Iowa will snicker if you pronounce their County City in that manner, as will the los ciudadanos of the city Nevada in Spain.

jb the "me-you-tent" ib

[prince hal]

I hate to see everyone here in a tizzy b/c Drusilla is apparently mad at me, especially in a thread I started ( a rare event) about the person who may be the most popular and respected in this neighborhood.

Dru, I apologize that my brief comments on your various cover polls stung you so. They were meant as gags, jokes, ribs, sillies, goofs, not jabs. I guess I should have realized you weren't getting them when I asked why, on your list of Western covers, you didn't have one by DeCarlo... Dan DeCarlo... the Archie artist.

It may not have been Oscar Levant or H.L. Mencken, but I don't think it deserved a verbal flip-off. That's not something I've ever seen here, to be honest. I think you're reading way too much into what LR and Spoon and Dan Bailey wrote, too, and they all went out of their way to try to ease your pain.

And I hope the others who've responded on this thread don't think I've poisoned the well.

PS to all: Here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, you pronounce Wareham as Where-ham, Eastham as East-ham, but Wenham is Wen'm. Quincy is Quin-zee, Newburyport is Noob'reeport and Twksbury is Tooksb'ree, but Roxbury is Rox-berry. Scituate is Sitch-oo-it. (Accent on the sitch) Fairhaven is pronounced with the accent on the second syllable, so it sounds like F'hay-ven. Siasconset is Skonset. And never order scallops: they're scollops, witha short o.

Love those regional oddities!

[The Confessor]

so fortunately your cleek click have failed to prevent it from entering common established usage.


LOL...oh yes, I'm definitely with the "cleek" cleek, so to speak.

[The Confessor]

the capital city is Des Moines (du-moyn)


Ahhh...Des Moines, home of Jack Kerouac. Sorry, I digress...



it's Toe-lee-dough and May-drid instead of Toe-lay-dough and Ma-drid.


Well here in England (In-Gland) we say Mah-Drid for the capital of Spain.



But we do get Na-vay-dah correct. Go figure.


I've never heard it pronounced Na-vay-dah, to me it's always been Ner-vard-ah.


Edit: Just out of interest, how would all you darn Yankee-doodle-dandies pronounce Leicester, as in the English city?

[Cei-U!]

Quincy is Quin-zee

That's also how you pronounce it in John Quincy Adam's name, as I found out not long ago.


Edit: Just out of interest, how would all you darn Yankee-doodle-dandies pronounce Leicester, as in the English city?

It's pronounced "LIST-ur," innit?

Cei-U!
I summon the atlas!

[prince hal]

We have a Leicester here in Massachusetts and it's pronounced Lester.

Gloucester is Gloster, Glostah if you want to be more authentic.

And in New Hampshire, potatos are buh-day-duhs, accent on the day.

[InfoBroker]

Hmmm... some clarification is needed.

In I-O-WUH, the captial of Es-pain-yah is pronounced Mah-drid.

The tiny little town north of Des Moines and named after the capital city of Spain is pronounce May-drid.

Also in I-O-WUH, directly on the Lincoln Highway (US 30) is the city of Toledo. Following the lead of Ohioans, it is pronounced Toe-lee-dough instead of the proper Spanish pronunciation Toe-lay-dough.

Further west on Highway 30 is the country seat of Story County, and as I have mentioned to Dan, it properly follows Spanish enunciation rules and is pronounced Na-vey-dah.

I'm not too sure what native Eye-oh-ones or Minnie-sew-tons would do with the English town of Leicester, but I call it Less-ta. But I'm a bit tainted by several years of outdoor Shakespeare and Greek Theater with the Genesius Guild at Lincoln Park in Rock Island, Ill-e-noy.

Speaking of Illinois, right next to Rock is the city of Milan, pronounced My-lan. Down south in a region called Little Egypt is the quaint city of Cairo, also bastardized into Kay-row. Its not too far from Sparta, that place where World Color Press use to print something called comic books.

- jb the ib -

[MWGallaher]

Back in Memphis, the New Madrid Fault (upon which the city lies) is pronounced "New MAD-rid".

[spoon_jenkins]

Edit: Just out of interest, how would all you darn Yankee-doodle-dandies pronounce Leicester, as in the English city?
I try not to pronounce it if I can. :biggrin: I think I usually say Lester, but I can't swear I've never said lie-ster.

We have a Leicester here in Massachusetts and it's pronounced Lester.

Gloucester is Gloster, Glostah if you want to be more authentic.
There's a Gloucester County here in New Jersey, and I pronounce it Glowster (the first syllable rhymes with cow). But I pronounce the King Lear character's name as Glosster. The funny thing is, I was watching a commentary track to Ran on DVD, and the commentator (who sounded American) pronounced the name Glah-cess-ter.

[benday-dot]

When I visiting Manhattan for the first time a few years back I remember I couldn't quite get the hang of the local pronunciation for the famous Houston Street (How/stin). I so wanted the first syllable to sound like name "Hugh", and say the street name like (I hope) Red Oak and his fellow Texans would say the name of their famous State city.

[Paradox]

It hurts my head to hear people from Lake Orion, Michigan pronounce it "OR-ee-on" instead of "o-RYE-on". Also the Michigan city called Charlotte is pronounced "shar-LOT" instead of the more common "SHAR-let". I have no idea how either of those got that way.

[Paradox]

spoon_jenkins gets me:

I try not to pronounce it if I can. :biggrin: I think I usually say Lester, but I can't swear I've never said lie-ster.


There's a Gloucester County here in New Jersey, and I pronounce it Glowster (the first syllable rhymes with cow). But I pronounce the King Lear character's name as Glosster. The funny thing is, I was watching a commentary track to Ran on DVD, and the commentator (who sounded American) pronounced the name Glah-cess-ter.

Which is how it's spelled (more or less). I hate stuff like that. What's the point of all those extra letters if you're not going to use them??? :confused:

[Simon Garth]

On the subject of English prununciation - take this pair of names:

Wymundham

Saxmundham

Like to take a guess at how those two, close-neighbours (physically and in terms of spelling), are pronounced?

[Cei-U!]

On the subject of English prununciation - take this pair of names:

Wymundham

Saxmundham

Like to take a guess at how those two, close-neighbours (physically and in terms of spelling), are pronounced?

WIN-dum and SAN-dum?

Cei-U!
I summon the wild-ass guess!

[The Confessor]

It's pronounced "LIST-ur," innit?


Pretty close but…


We have a Leicester here in Massachusetts and it's pronounced Lester.

I'm not too sure what native Eye-oh-ones or Minnie-sew-tons would do with the English town of Leicester, but I call it Less-ta.

I think I usually say Lester


Yes, that’s correct…it’s pronounced Less-Tah.

I asked because it’s somewhat of a national joke that American tourists in London are always asking the way to “Lie-Cess-Ter Square” :smile:



I was watching a commentary track to Ran on DVD, and the commentator (who sounded American) pronounced the name Glah-cess-ter.


…and there you go. Ladies and gentlemen, I present Exhibit A.

[The Confessor]

On the subject of English prununciation - take this pair of names:

Wymundham

Saxmundham

Like to take a guess at how those two, close-neighbours (physically and in terms of spelling), are pronounced?



Don't you mean Wymondham?

Come on, if you're gonna test these poor Americans on English pronunciation, at least have the decency to spell the words right. :wink: :biggrin:

[dan bailey]

Reminds me of the ads I'd occassionally here on TV back home on one of the Shreveport* stations, referring to Boss-ee-AY (for Bossier) City. It's pronounced, of course, Bozher.

And most out-of-state announcers were utterly hopeless when it came to pronouncing Ouachita (a county & a Baptist university). It's Wash-i-tah.


*Shreveport being, at least back before cable, the capital of southwest Arkansas ... Little Rock may as well have been in China.

[Simon Garth]

WIN-dum and SAN-dum?

Cei-U!
I summon the wild-ass guess!

Ooooh, so close!

It's actually pronounced "Win-dum" and "Sax-mun-dum" :smile:

The logic of the English language, don't you love it! :wink:

[prince hal]

And what's that long one...Cholmondeley? Is that just plain old Chumley, as in the walrus?

[foxley]

And what's that long one...Cholmondeley? Is that just plain old Chumley, as in the walrus?

Yes, and 'Featheringstoneaugh' is pronounced 'Fanshaw'.

[Paradox]

I'm pretty sure both of those count as letter abuse. :tongue:

[Simon Garth]

Brit pronunciuation can also totally change by location, and class.

For example, the college of Oxford University, spelt Magdalen, is pronounced (by the mostly posh students) as "Mordlin"
The same spelling, on a housing estate in Norfolk (East of England), where all the street names are based on Oxbridge colleges, is pronounced by the decidedly un-posh locals (of which I am one) as "Mag-da-lun"

[spoon_jenkins]

Brit pronunciuation can also totally change by location, and class.

For example, the college of Oxford University, spelt Magdalen, is pronounced (by the mostly posh students) as "Mordlin"
The same spelling, on a housing estate in Norfolk (East of England), where all the street names are based on Oxbridge colleges, is pronounced by the decidedly un-posh locals (of which I am one) as "Mag-da-lun"
I've got a local U.S. example of such a difference, but it's not so extreme.

My home state of New Jersey and the neighboring state of Delaware both have cities named Newark. In NJ, we pronounce the city like the words "new work." The syllables are pushed together so they go fairly quickly. The Delaware city is pronounced like the words "new ark". The emphasis is on the "a" and the two syllables are more distinct and less blended together in the New Jersey.

What's also funny is that there's a Newark Penn Station in NJ and a New York Penn Station in New York City. I've been on the train with people who aren't from around here and they get confused.

[prince hal]

I've got a local U.S. example of such a difference, but it's not so extreme.

My home state of New Jersey and the neighboring state of Delaware both have cities named Newark. In NJ, we pronounce the city like the words "new work." The syllables are pushed together so they go fairly quickly. The Delaware city is pronounced like the words "new ark". The emphasis is on the "a" and the two syllables are more distinct and less blended together in the New Jersey.



Spoon, as a native New Jerseyan, I had my rude awakening about an alternate pronunciation of Newark when I heard about the one in Ohio. It was the first time I realized the religious origin of the name.

Of course, Growing up just a few miles from Newark, we always pronounced it "Nawk." Kind of like N'Yark, where the Mighty Samson lived in the Gold Key universe.

We also had a unique pronunciation of Bloomfield, a next-door neighbor to Nawk: Bluh-feel, accent on the "feel."

As you might imagine, watching The Sopranos was like old home week for me: not only familiar dialect, but many familiar locations as well. You take your nostalgia wherever you can get it.

[Reptisaurus!]

So I read the first post in this thread back when it was posted. Maybe first two or three.

And, just now, I read the last post in this thread.

And I'm trying to formulate a theory on how y'all got from there to here in a measly 76 posts. (When I'm done I'll go read the thread and check my work.)

[The Confessor]

For example, the college of Oxford University, spelt Magdalen, is pronounced (by the mostly posh students) as "Mordlin"
The same spelling, on a housing estate in Norfolk (East of England), where all the street names are based on Oxbridge colleges, is pronounced by the decidedly un-posh locals (of which I am one) as "Mag-da-lun"


Actually, an awful lot of Oxford locals pronounce it as Mag-Da-Lun as well. I have a couple of friends who are native to Oxford and they pronounce it that way. Also, Mark Gardener (ex-singer with Ride), who is a native of Oxford, wrote a song called Magdalen Sky and in the song he sings it "Mag-Da-Lun".

[Rob Allen]

Of course, Growing up just a few miles from Newark, we always pronounced it "Nawk." Kind of like N'Yark, where the Mighty Samson lived in the Gold Key universe.

Nawk? Where do they say that? I grew up in New Jersey too, and it was pronounced "Noork" - one syllable, with the same vowel sound as "poor".

Other New Jersey pronunciation fun -

The capital of Colombia is Bogotá, pronounced bo-go-TAH. In northern New Jersey is the town of Bogota, pronounced buh-GO-tuh.

A Spanish word for 'good' is "buena", pronounced BWAY-nah. In southern New Jersey is the town of Buena, pronounced BYOO-nah.

I lived for a few years in Haledon, which is pronounced HAIL-dun.

Moonachie is moo-NOK-ee; Iselin is IZ-eh-lin; Metuchen is meh-TOUCH-en.

Out here in Oregon, I live in an area called Aloha - spelled like the Hawaiian word, but around here the 'h' is silent.

In Massachusetts, is "Peabody" still pronounced "PIB-i-dee"?

[spoon_jenkins]

Nawk? Where do they say that? I grew up in New Jersey too, and it was pronounced "Noork" - one syllable, with the same vowel sound as "poor".
You guys are extremists! :biggrin: I still pronounce Newark with two syllables, all they are really crammed together. In a rush, it might approach "Noork" but not "Nawk."

BTW, I spent my earliest years in Bayonne ("if it's from Bayonne, leave it alone") and moved as a kid to Middlesex County.

Moonachie is moo-NOK-ee; Iselin is IZ-eh-lin; Metuchen is meh-TOUCH-en.
To me, the first "e" in Metuchen is probably closer to an "a" or a schwa. I'm so used to the local pronounciation of Iselin. I was surprised to hear somebody who wasn't from the area call it "ice-lin."

Rob, you used to live in Plainfield, right?

[Rob Allen]

Rob, you used to live in Plainfield, right?

Yes, my family moved to Plainfield in 1964, and I either lived there or nearby, or often visited relatives in the area, until I left the state in 1988.

One thing I recently realized that I don't know - your former hometown is pronounced bay-OWN; how is the original Bayonne in France pronounced?

[Simon Garth]

Place I used to work, there was a guy called Juan working there. Used to work in a store in Salford, Manchester.

Before he moved to London, one of my friends had reason to call him at the store he was working at. The coversartion (suitably phoneticised) went like this:

Friend: Hi, is "Wonn" there, please
Store guy: "Wonn? There's no Won's here, mate"
Friend: ??? I've been given his name, it's definitely 'Wonn'
Store: How do you spell that?
Friend: J - U - A -N. 'Wonn'
Store: Ah.... (yells across the store). OI! Jew-Un! Ya wanted on the phone..."

(Just to be clear, there's no religious connotation - that's just how he, and everyone else pronounced his name).

If any of you ever watched Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, there's also the pronunciation of "Guy"... :smile:

[Aaron King]

I refuse to let this thread lay fallow.

Yesterday a professor asked me if I would draw or design the poster for this semester's English senior seminars. The two classes are "Charles Dickens" and "Literature of the Shoa." He was excited about it, too, and wondered if I could maybe draw Dickens punching Hitler. I said I would do it if I could reference/homage the cover of Captain America Comics #1, and he said that was a great idea.

I'm going to start working on it tomorrow.

[The Confessor]

He was excited about it, too, and wondered if I could maybe draw Dickens punching Hitler. I said I would do it if I could reference/homage the cover of Captain America Comics #1, and he said that was a great idea.


:biggrin: Sounds cool...I look forward to seeing this.