Supes no longer in Action Comics? WTF?

[HEROHOUSE]

I heard this today. The way i hear it Geoff Johns will be taking over a new version of Adventure comics starring superman and some guest stars ( Legion anyone?) and Action will no longer be a superman book> anyone have red meat on this?

[CYOTI]

Sounds like something you made up by yourself, op.

[HEROHOUSE]

the adventure comics bit comes from a Didio interview.

DD: ... there are so many fabulous twists and turns along the way, Geoff has done a great job of laying out basically, a blueprint for the Superman books that takes us through to the end of 2010, and it’s built around New Krypton, and quite honestly, the status quo changes every few months. That’s what keeps it exciting and interesting. Immediately, for example, in the month of March, there will be changes to Action Comics in regards to who the star of Action is, and you’ll see also when we bring back the title of one of the most beloved older DC series and present it in a new light as well.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/100829-Dan-Didio-20-Questions.html

There's rampant speculation that it is adventure comics "DC's oldest title" ( I think)

the Action Comics part comes from the manager of my comic store. I asked if he had heard the rumor and they said they were told Adventure would be a Supes title and that Action would no longer feature superman.

While I am excited about Adventure comics I think removing Supes form Action is blasphemous.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I wholeheartedly agree. Superman is synonym with Action Comics, and viceversa.

[Ontir]

They took Superman out of Action after Crisis, when the book went weekly.
It crashed and burned.

It sounds like the new Adventure might be a re-working of the old DC Comics Presents, to go along with the reconstituted the Brave & the Bold.

[HEROHOUSE]

They took Superman out of Action after Crisis, when the book went weekly.
It crashed and burned.

It sounds like the new Adventure might be a re-working of the old DC Comics Presents, to go along with the reconstituted the Brave & the Bold.

actually didnt they run an 8 pages supes story throughout that run

[4thHorseman]

There was a picture at one of the cons showing a hospitalized Superman. So maybe someone takes his place for a time?

[Harding Prime]

With reconstituting things, we see how well Brave & Bold is doing. :rolleyes:

[HaroldAllnut]

Maybe they'll move Supes over to Adventure Comics and Action Comics will go back to being an anthology title? I don't know why they're going to change Action Comics, though. It seems like it'd make more sense to just revamp Adventure Comics with a famous creative team and start things from there.

Wait a minute... Does this mean that the Adventure Comics Special featuring "The Guardian" thing that came out yesterday is actually the first issue of Adventure Comics?

[earl]

They did try Action as a weekly anthology back in the 80s, but it didn't make it a year and when Byrne started the restart on the Superman titles, Action was a team up title.

I think taking Superman out of Action is a mistake. Eventually the sales will tank and they will just put Superman back as the title character, as DC would probably never cancel it or Detective (but you never know with these people in charge).

[Toonimator]

Maybe the Action-star change is temporary. Like, someone from New Krypton becomes a new hero, or some other excuse to showcase the new star in the classic car-slamming pose on the cover (since it's been repeated so often with Supes himself), and then Supes will be back.

Action Comics has been pretty solid for the last couple years at least, it'd be pretty silly to seriously remove the star from it for an extended period of time.

[Spiffy]

What if they did THIS:

Supes will still BE in Action, he simply won't be the P.O.V.

Imagine this scenario.

Action featuring Superman stories, but from a rotating point of view. Lois one issue, Jimmy the next, Supergirl the next, then John Irons, then Krypto (yeah, I know... I'm no big fan of the Krypto stories either), etc. Maybe even with other Kryptonians taking a spin.

At the very least they'd all be "Superman cast" stories, and Big Blue would appear in many, if not all of them.


Nah. See, the above might actually make sense and be entertaining. The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is. Especially with DiDio's "new star of Action" tease, implying a single person.

Might they simply cancel Supergirl's regular book and make Action into a replacement?

[Retro315]

That is odd. I mean, for YEARS now Superman has been Action Comics. Sure, he has his own "solo" title, but Action and Superman are his origin and his book.

Although, the solo does give Action the chance to showcase other "Action" packed superheroes while keeping Superman's stories ongoing without the crossovers. The same could be said of Detective - it could be used to tell stories about DCU's other detectives, not just Batman, the most famous. He was good enough to get his own solo, let Detective spread it out. (Slam Bradley, Jason Bard, Detective Chimp ... plenty of other detectives).

But what gets me is that if ANYONE should star in Adventure Comics, it should be Aquaman. A revamped Geoff Johns Adventure Comics starring Aquaman would be the ****!!

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Maybe they'll move Supes over to Adventure Comics and Action Comics will go back to being an anthology title? I don't know why they're going to change Action Comics, though. It seems like it'd make more sense to just revamp Adventure Comics with a famous creative team and start things from there.

Wait a minute... Does this mean that the Adventure Comics Special featuring "The Guardian" thing that came out yesterday is actually the first issue of Adventure Comics?

Touche. Perhaps that special is a hint at what is to come.

[ponset]

Since Congo Bill/Congorilla will be appearing the new Justice League Book maybe he will be the lead feature in Action.
He use to be a backup feature in ACTION back in the 50's.
:tongue:

[mgs]

I think change in this case is good. 'Sides a good story is a good story, Superman or not.

[ttippmann]

Congo Bill/Congorilla? I haven't heard that name for years. Sweet

[Desaad]

What if they did THIS:

Supes will still BE in Action, he simply won't be the P.O.V.

Imagine this scenario.

Action featuring Superman stories, but from a rotating point of view. Lois one issue, Jimmy the next, Supergirl the next, then John Irons, then Krypto (yeah, I know... I'm no big fan of the Krypto stories either), etc. Maybe even with other Kryptonians taking a spin.

At the very least they'd all be "Superman cast" stories, and Big Blue would appear in many, if not all of them.


Nah. See, the above might actually make sense and be entertaining. The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is. Especially with DiDio's "new star of Action" tease, implying a single person.

Might they simply cancel Supergirl's regular book and make Action into a replacement?

I think that'd be a very interesting idea, but my one issue with it would be this; that idea is much more appropriate for a James Robinson penned book than it is for a Geoff Johns penned book.

Robinson is much more the everyman writer to Geoff Johns' more out and out, classical action structure.

Still, I think it could be a really fun idea at least for a while.

[Retro315]

Robinson is much more the everyman writer to Geoff Johns' more out and out, classical action structure.


I don't know ... Johns writing seems more accessible for anyone to read, even with the fact that it's all-inclusive of source material that casual readers might not recognize - the writing is good enough to make those people go out and mine the sources and read or re-read the classic material. If anything ... his writing is as close to the original incarnations of these characters as there has been in recent years.

Robinson tells good stories (he's quite good at bringing out good qualities in TRULY obscure characters, although his A-Listers feel a little too bold and not quite fine-tuned).

Anyway, I'm not arguing your point ... they've both struck gold digging up past characters and making them awesome, and introducing new characters at the same time ... so they're both good choices for an Action Comics featuring rotating A-Listers and B-Listers that don't get the kind of face-time that Batman, Superman, Green Lantern or Wonder Woman get.

Still gotta say I'd rather see Adventure Comics as the new home of Aquaman.

[HopeLantern]

That's like taking Batman out of Detective Comics, and cancelling Nightwing, Robin and Birds of Prey!!!

Oh wait...

[JamesOliva]

PREDICITION:

This is a theory I literally just came up with and could totally be wrong but it seems to make sense, at least in my evil mind :evilsmile: .

Action Comics will be temporarily taken over by the new Nightwing and Flamebird as the New Krypton story continues to sprawl out. Which could be another reason why Nightwing was cancelled and could lead to Dick "battling for the cowl" with another Bat-usurper (Jason Todd?). Why have two Nightwing's running around?

This is of course pure speculation.

[Ontir]

actually didnt they run an 8 pages supes story throughout that run

Yeah (I'd forgotten about that.), but for most of us, Superman was missing from the book.

[CBikle]

SPOILER


In JSA #20, there are strong hints that the golden-age Superman is still alive (this wouldn't be the one who died in Infinite Crisis), maybe the "original" Superman will be the new star of Action ?

[Sean Walsh]

With reconstituting things, we see how well Brave & Bold is doing. :rolleyes:

Well, it's about to be taken over by J. Michael Straczynski.

He's been known to sell a few comics due to his name.

(Though honestly, the idea of Superman vs. Archie heroes is just........odd to me.)

[HEROHOUSE]

I think that'd be a very interesting idea, but my one issue with it would be this; that idea is much more appropriate for a James Robinson penned book than it is for a Geoff Johns penned book.

Robinson is much more the everyman writer to Geoff Johns' more out and out, classical action structure.

Still, I think it could be a really fun idea at least for a while.

Superghirl would make sense. teh charecter sthatw erer traditionally associated with adventure over the years were

Legion of superheroes
Aquaman
Green Arrow
Supergirl
Tales of the Bizarro World...

[md62]

Superman will stay in Action Comics. Adventure Comics will be either a relaunched Legion book or a Guardian/Jimmy Olsen/Superman Family book.

[Spiffy]

Superman will stay in Action Comics. Adventure Comics will be either a relaunched Legion book or a Guardian/Jimmy Olsen/Superman Family book.
Except we are dealing with the following DiDio statement:

there will be changes to Action Comics in regards to who the star of Action is, and you’ll see also when we bring back the title of one of the most beloved older DC series and present it in a new light as well.
He specifically says that the "star" of Action will change. That doesn't mean Supes might not still be in it, but it obviously won't be from his P.O.V. IF he is.

"Adventure" is another matter entirely. It could indeed be as you say, no matter what does or doesn't happen to Action.

[protonik]

They did try Action as a weekly anthology back in the 80s, but it didn't make it a year and when Byrne started the restart on the Superman titles, Action was a team up title.

I think taking Superman out of Action is a mistake. Eventually the sales will tank and they will just put Superman back as the title character, as DC would probably never cancel it or Detective (but you never know with these people in charge).

Byrne's Action was BEFORE the weekly attempt. George Perez relaunched Action following the weekly version.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

PREDICITION:

This is a theory I literally just came up with and could totally be wrong but it seems to make sense, at least in my evil mind :evilsmile: .

Action Comics will be temporarily taken over by the new Nightwing and Flamebird as the New Krypton story continues to sprawl out. Which could be another reason why Nightwing was cancelled and could lead to Dick "battling for the cowl" with another Bat-usurper (Jason Todd?). Why have two Nightwing's running around?

This is of course pure speculation.

Interesting. The key word here being "temporarily".

[The Shadow]

What if they did THIS:

Supes will still BE in Action, he simply won't be the P.O.V.

Imagine this scenario.

Action featuring Superman stories, but from a rotating point of view. Lois one issue, Jimmy the next, Supergirl the next, then John Irons, then Krypto (yeah, I know... I'm no big fan of the Krypto stories either), etc. Maybe even with other Kryptonians taking a spin.

At the very least they'd all be "Superman cast" stories, and Big Blue would appear in many, if not all of them.

Interesting idea.

[Gernot]

I say they should keep Action and Superman as solo titles, and have Adventures as another team-up book, too! :)

[JamesOliva]

Looks like I was right.:smile:


PREDICITION:

This is a theory I literally just came up with and could totally be wrong but it seems to make sense, at least in my evil mind :evilsmile: .

Action Comics will be temporarily taken over by the new Nightwing and Flamebird as the New Krypton story continues to sprawl out. Which could be another reason why Nightwing was cancelled and could lead to Dick "battling for the cowl" with another Bat-usurper (Jason Todd?). Why have two Nightwing's running around?

This is of course pure speculation.

[Captain Jim]

actually didnt they run an 8 pages supes story throughout that run

Nope, it was a 2-page center-spread, designed to emulate a Sunday comic strip. For all intents and purposes, Superman was gone. And DC later admitted it was a big mistake.

Which is why I went nuts when I first heard this news. "Hey, remember when we took Superman out of Action once before and the sales tanked? Let's do that again." :rolleyes:

[Captain Jim]

Looks like I was right.:smile:

More or less. They aren't saying anything about it being temporary, but one can't imagine this scenario going on forever.

And it appears that Adventure will be the new home of the Legion of Super Heroes.

[Mat001]

Nope, it was a 2-page center-spread, designed to emulate a Sunday comic strip. For all intents and purposes, Superman was gone. And DC later admitted it was a big mistake.

Which is why I went nuts when I first heard this news. "Hey, remember when we took Superman out of Action once before and the sales tanked? Let's do that again." :rolleyes:

He's actually in the book. You're trying to argue that he wasn't, because he was only in eight page stories instead of 22. That doesn't work.

[cpahl2000]

It´s pretty sad, Action is Superman, I think I´ll leave and only when Superman return, I´ll too.

[md62]

More or less. They aren't saying anything about it being temporary, but one can't imagine this scenario going on forever.

And it appears that Adventure will be the new home of the Legion of Super Heroes.


It looks like 12 issues according to the article at newsarama:


http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120801-Rucka-Action.html

[Captain Jim]

He's actually in the book. You're trying to argue that he wasn't, because he was only in eight page stories instead of 22. That doesn't work.

Try reading what I actually said. He was NOT in eight pages, he was in TWO.

Two pages out of 42 story pages... I still say he was absent for all intents and purposes. Nobody bought the book for two pages of Superman.

[CYOTI]

Which is why I went nuts when I first heard this news. "Hey, remember when we took Superman out of Action once before and the sales tanked? Let's do that again." :rolleyes: ACW tanked because the stories were crap not because there was or wasn't any Superman.

Of course lets not even mention that the current similarities are superificial at best since what occured in ACW was DC delinking AC from Superman while here, AC is still part of the story, it's just covering whats happening in Superman's absence much like what occured post-Death of Superman with the Reign of Supermen.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

ACW tanked because the stories were crap not because there was or wasn't any Superman.
.

Yes, the thrilling 10 pages of Hal Jordan's exciting adventures as the guest of Oprah should have been sales gold, but somehow it didn't catch on with readers.

[Captain Jim]

ACW tanked because the stories were crap not because there was or wasn't any Superman.


I don't think I'd make that generalization. I remember a nice Catwoman story, following up on Catwoman year one. Also Wild Dog and a few others. And DC even said dropping Superman to two pages was a mistake.

[paulski]

Dumb idea. :(

Bad enough that Superman isn't in the book anymore, but Johns and Frank are leaving too? Sorry, I'm done after January's issue.

Maybe I'll have a look at Supergirl or Superman instead...

[CYOTI]

I don't think I'd make that generalization. I remember a nice Catwoman story, following up on Catwoman year one. Also Wild Dog and a few others. . I think you just proved my point for me.