CBR: X-POSITION: Jason Aaron

[CBR News]

Writer Jason Aaron and editor John Barber spill on the new Wolverine miniseries
"Manifest Destiny," talks kung fu greatness, and shares a big spoiler! And as
always, X-POSITION comes with <b>exclusive artwork!</b>


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18607).

[creaky]

I want this man on the regular Wolverine series. For a very long time. Please.

[Congo Jack]

And yes, there is indeed a chance you'll see me doing more Wolverine work in the near future. Again, stay tuned.
Seems fairly likely that Aaron will be on WOLVERINE whenever Millar leaves then.

[Excelsior]

Jason Please consider Panther, if things dont work out.

[Dagger]

I hope he begins to write for either Iron Fist after Swierczinski(sp?) leaves, or Moon Knight. He would rock on these titles sooo hard core.

[blehbeh]

Jason Please consider Panther, if things dont work out.

It's a shame Black Panther is being rebooted....with the same old tired writer that keeps me away from the book. Add Jason Aaron and I'd be all over it. Although I'm a bigger fan of Wolverine and Ghost Rider, and would rather he not be spread too thin. But if he can handle it, bring it on!

[rwsmith]

Seems fairly likely that Aaron will be on WOLVERINE whenever Millar leaves then.

Sounds good to me. Pair him up with an A-list artist and it's a license to print $$$. :wink:

[Joe Franklin]

Sounds good to me. Pair him up with an A-list artist and it's a license to print $$$. :wink:

I think Segovia fits the bill. He is a combination between Leinil Yu and Whilce Portacio. Segovia is awesome.:cool:

[rwsmith]

Sorry, man, just not crazy about his work. Maybe it will grow on me, but I'm thinking somebody who is already a big draw like Finch, Yu, Choi, etc. I'd even take Mike McKone or Chris Bachalo. Segovia needs to refine his style a bit more IMO, but he does show a lot of promise.

[creaky]

I think Segovia fits the bill. He is a combination between Leinil Yu and Whilce Portacio. Segovia is awesome.:cool:

No thank you. I'd rather have Ron Garney back. Or Deodato.

[Joe Franklin]

No thank you. I'd rather have Ron Garney back. Or Deodato.

Segovia is better.

[Maestro]

Jason Aaron for Uncanny X-Men plz

[creaky]

Segovia is better.

No he isn't. Not in any way, shape or form.

[DeadXMan]

Jason Aaron for Uncanny X-Men plz

C&C for uncanny
Aaron for adjectiveless.
Carry for relunch of Gen X!

[Cerridwen]

Segovia needs to refine his style a bit more IMO, but he does show a lot of promise.

"more refinement?"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/finishcolor.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/owl_girl_colored_by_sjsegovia.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/redsonjacover24_color_fajardo.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/nakoruru_by_sjsegovia.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

And on the girlfriend front, I say stay tuned.
I really do hope Logan gets a new long term girlfriend. I wonder if it could be Domino.

[Red Savina]

Aaron, Yost, and Carey would be the best trio to headline the X-Books.

With suitable artists of course. None of which are Bianchi, Dodson, or Land.

[Congo Jack]

I really do hope Logan gets a new long term girlfriend. I wonder if it could be Domino.
Well, they already "make barnyard noises together", afterall.

[timbox]

I wish they would give Wolverine a gun-hand.

[steve2275]

that preview art looks good

[timbox]

Aaron needs to write more Mystique.

[maigen]

Aaron needs to write more Mystique.

I was just about to say that. I loved "Get Mystique!'

We need more Cowboy action.

[Joe Franklin]

No he isn't. Not in any way, shape or form.

This is fun. And Segovia draws circles around your guys.:biggrin:

[Bic]

Jason Aaron seems to know exactly what I want from a Wolverine comic: A character who is tough but not invincible, a character who wants to be honorable but who still has to atone for his old sins and a character who gets involved in an absurd amount of crazy fights. All that and kung-fu movie references too? Ah, now that's a mini series that delivers.

[George Tramountanas]

We've got a guest for next week!

Duane Swierczynski will be here to answer your questions about Cable and the little babe. Shoot me - george@comicbookresources.com - your emails with queries ASAP.

It's gonna be fun!

[Toboe]

I want this man on the regular Wolverine series. For a very long time. Please.

Yes, please. I hope he takes over the main book when Millar and McNiven's arc is done. Even though it appears it won't be any time soon...

See, that's why it needed to be a mini instead, and just let Jason Aaron continue with Manifest Destiny and beyond after Get Mystique...

I hope he begins to write for either Iron Fist after Swierczinski(sp?) leaves, or Moon Knight. He would rock on these titles sooo hard core.

He would rock indeed. I really wish he'd join Jefte Palo on Moon Knight, they made for a great team in Black Panther.

[creaky]

This is fun. And Segovia draws circles around your guys.:biggrin:

My guys draw circles around YOUR MOM.

[Jota]

Wolverine, Aaron and a lot of kung fu? Hell yes! This has all the ingredients to be very cool.

[Excelsior]

"more refinement?"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/finishcolor.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/owl_girl_colored_by_sjsegovia.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/redsonjacover24_color_fajardo.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/cerridwen/nakoruru_by_sjsegovia.jpg

Pretty stuff. What else has this artist done??

[Joe Franklin]

My guys draw circles around YOUR MOM.

I agree. My mom has no art skills.

Still doesn't change the fact that Segovia one ups your guys with a pencil and some ink.

[jarrod]

I want Aaron to do a Nightcrawler and Mystique story next... I bet creaky does too. :biggrin:

[creaky]

I agree. My mom has no art skills.

Still doesn't change the fact that Segovia one ups your guys with a pencil and some ink.

Puh-lease. The man gave Kurt three fingers and toes.

I want Aaron to do a Nightcrawler and Mystique story next... I bet creaky does too. :biggrin:

You know me so well.<3

[Imraith Nimphais]

Jason Please consider Panther, if things dont work out.

Yes...Pretty Please!...or, at the very least a Storm and T'Challa ongoing titled "The King and the Goddess"...(I am hoping the more times I say it the more likely it will be made a reality) :biggrin:

[Imraith Nimphais]

Aaron, Yost, and Carey would be the best trio to headline the X-Books.

With suitable artists of course. None of which are Bianchi, Dodson, or Land.

Quoted for absolute veracity...
sigh...in a perfect world perhaps...but Alas!:frown:

[chastmastr]

I guess I will be the only poster here who doesn't like Aaron's take on Wolverine very much, from "The Man in the Pit" on to now. While much of the damage that's been done to Logan's backstory isn't his fault, I still prefer things like the one-shots and miniseries and Wolverine: First Class which aren't directly focusing on the post-House of M retcons from his main series and from Wolverine: Origins.

When Aaron says things like

As Daniel Way is revealing over in “Wolverine: Origins,” Logan has done some pretty dastardly things over the years. How do you ever make up for all that, no matter how many times you beat Magneto or help fight the Skrulls? Logan will probably spend the rest of his life trying to atone for the mistakes of his past.

then I think that Aaron just doesn't "get" Wolverine at all -- this is precisely the kind of thing I consider awful mischaracterization rather than anything good. Again, it's more Way's fault than Aaron's, but I'm not interested in the "Logan was always bad and/or mind-controlled" crap we've had the last couple of years. To me that pretty much destroys the character and I hate it.

And when he says things like

As different as those books are, I guess a lot of my characters are often driven by a thirst for justice in either a practical or otherworldly sense. Ultimately though, I think they'll all find that there's no such thing as true justice, no matter how desperately or violently they may seek it.

then I think he doesn't understand basic metaphysics. I believe that there is justice and mercy, and that mercy is indeed the higher path to travel, but that doesn't mean justice doesn't exist and shouldn't be pursued. And of course for a character like Logan whose whole life is about pursuing honor... written by a writer who thinks there is no justice at all... I'm just not interested in that interpretation of the character.

David

[chastmastr]

Oh, and this needs to be said -- the whole "regenerating from a drop of blood" business was due to a mystical crystal and was a more magical/spiritual kind of event (in which he literally, briefly had the power of a god and then gave it up because he didn't want to mess with people that way, which was a kind of cosmic test which the human race passed as a result of his refusal to play God) than his healing factor.

[Congo Jack]

I agree with you somewhat, chastmastr. I read Aaron's SCALPED, and loved it, so naturally when it was announced he was doing WOLVERINE I was excited. However, the issue came along and it's okay and all but along with his later arc Aaron seems intent on acknowledging what Daniel Way is doing over in ORIGINS that I'm not sure that he "gets" it as you said.

However, it could be that obviously the direction Marvel is moving Logan in, which basically amounts to - "I was a completely evil bastard until I joined the X-Men" is one that Aaron is forced to follow or perhaps he likes it. Either way, it's going to be one that Marvel will continue with, at least until Joe Quesada steps down. Speaking of "not getting" Logan - Quesada.

And about the healing from a drop of blood, it is a bit disconcerting to see two of Marvel's premiere writers so shockingly missing a story point of that annual.

[rwsmith]

Did you read the latest issue of Wolverine: Origins? It explains pretty well why Logan all of the sudden stopped being a bastard and became so loyal to the X-men. Whether you like what Way has done in terms of his characterization of Logan or not, it all suddenly makes sense why a guy who is such a psycho-loner would all of the sudden become the ultimate team player and a hero.

IMO this is really just a rip-off of both Ultimate X-men and the second X-men movie, where it was heavily implied that Xavier had manipulated Wolverine into becoming an X-man and a hero.

[chastmastr]

Did you read the latest issue of Wolverine: Origins? It explains pretty well why Logan all of the sudden stopped being a bastard and became so loyal to the X-men. Whether you like what Way has done in terms of his characterization of Logan or not, it all suddenly makes sense why a guy who is such a psycho-loner would all of the sudden become the ultimate team player and a hero.

IMO this is really just a rip-off of both Ultimate X-men and the second X-men movie, where it was heavily implied that Xavier had manipulated Wolverine into becoming an X-man and a hero.

I've looked at Wolverine: Origins in the store and yep, I still don't accept it. It "makes sense" only by getting rid of Logan's own basic humanity and by making him into a bad guy who was mind-controlled into acting heroically. Rather than a complex inner struggle between his rage and his morality, between his desire to just be a loner and a desire to help others (especially innocents in danger or who need guidance) or to be a part of some kind of family (illustrated for years and years with both X-Men and Mac and Heather), between being manipulated by evil people who wanted to control him and his own desire to be free, even the issue of whether it his gut-level animal instincts are more intrinsically noble (and in a sense, more human) than some people's cold, calculating "rational" approach (the whole "noble savage" concept), all of which are much more rich and complex that what they're trying to do to him now, they're trying to explain away all his positive and noble aspects as more manipulation by other people.

It basically takes away his humanity, and makes him into a cipher made up of conflicting programming based on brainwashing and mental manipulation. And that's why I don't buy it (in either sense of the word) and stick with Wolverine: First Class and the one-shots and miniseries.

David

[Bic]

Personally, I just ignore Wolverine:Origins. The character works just fine -better, even- for me without that title.

[Congo Jack]

Did you read the latest issue of Wolverine: Origins?
No. Dear god no. What’s the theory now - Xavier house-broke him? I can’t believe they’ve gone that far if that’s the case - Whedon’s Danger room, Brubaker’s slaughtered X-Men - isn’t Xavier supposed to be a hero?

It explains pretty well why Logan all of the sudden stopped being a bastard and became so loyal to the X-men. Whether you like what Way has done in terms of his characterization of Logan or not, it all suddenly makes sense why a guy who is such a psycho-loner would all of the sudden become the ultimate team player and a hero.
It didn't need to be explained or elaborated on*. And it wasn't all of a sudden, look at Chris Claremont/Dave Cockrum's first run on X-MEN - he's a little prick throughout the entirety of it - as likely to lash out at his team-mates as he would his enemies. It seemed fairly obvious that the reason he stayed was he really fell for Jean Grey. When Byrne came on UNCANNY, Logan started to actually like the other members of the X-Men (well, except Cyclops :tongue:) and found the cause something worth fighting for.

* IMO Way's worst case of this has to be the butchering of the classic UNCANNY X-MEN #268.

[rwsmith]

I've looked at Wolverine: Origins in the store and yep, I still don't accept it. It "makes sense" only by getting rid of Logan's own basic humanity and by making him into a bad guy who was mind-controlled into acting heroically. Rather than a complex inner struggle between his rage and his morality, between his desire to just be a loner and a desire to help others (especially innocents in danger or who need guidance) or to be a part of some kind of family (illustrated for years and years with both X-Men and Mac and Heather), between being manipulated by evil people who wanted to control him and his own desire to be free, even the issue of whether it his gut-level animal instincts are more intrinsically noble (and in a sense, more human) than some people's cold, calculating "rational" approach (the whole "noble savage" concept), all of which are much more rich and complex that what they're trying to do to him now, they're trying to explain away all his positive and noble aspects as more manipulation by other people.

It basically takes away his humanity, and makes him into a cipher made up of conflicting programming based on brainwashing and mental manipulation. And that's why I don't buy it (in either sense of the word) and stick with Wolverine: First Class and the one-shots and miniseries.

David

Yup. So basically all that separates Logan from X-23 is the fact that Xavier brainwashed him. I'm not too crazy about it myself, but it doesn't upset me all that much either. Whatever caused it, Logan is a hero now and is still seeking redemption for his past deeds.

I do think this worked better in the Ultimate Universe (and perhaps the movie one as well, but he's not nearly as much of a bastard there) than in the 616, so they could've just left well enough alone and had this as an important differention between the two characters. As it stands they're just making 616 Wolverine into the Ultimate version. Not exactly original.

[jarrod]

I think they should make 616 Colossus into the Ultimate version next.

[bebopeva88]

Personally, I just ignore Wolverine:Origins. The character works just fine -better, even- for me without that title.

You're absolutely right, and I do the exact same thing.

[Jota]

Way sucks and his retcons have done nothing but turning Logan into a complete bastard with absolutely no positive traits (by the way, very nice idea to do that to the main character of your book). Aaron writes him with grey traits. Its not the same thing. Plus, his stories a re actualy entertaining.

[Jota]

Yup. So basically all that separates Logan from X-23 is the fact that Xavier brainwashed him. I'm not too crazy about it myself, but it doesn't upset me all that much either. Whatever caused it, Logan is a hero now and is still seeking redemption for his past deeds.With what Way wrote, he's not an hero. All of his heroic deeds have absolutely no value because they were done under mind control.
That hack managed to not only destroy the character but also every one of his storys written before. The only good thing is that other writers usualy ignore his crap but I don't know how long that's going to last, with Quesada's involvement in the story.

[rwsmith]

Like I said, I'm not crazy about the retcon, and it certainly wasn't necessary, but it doesn't get me upset either for a couple of reasons:

1) Regardless of what caused Logan to turn his life around, he still did all of those good things as an X-man and is a hero now. He's aware of the fact that Xavier brainwashed him (at his request) all those years ago thanks to Wanda and 'House of M', yet he's chosen to remain a good guy and an X-man (and an Avenger). That much says to me that he supports the choices he's made over the years, despite what initially caused him to choose this path, and that he's no less a hero.

2) It's just a comic book, and not even a very popular one at that! This will be forgotten about just like Loeb's "Lupine sapiens" junk in a few years. Really not that big of a deal.