STORM WEEK: Storm and the Elementals

[Swashbuckler]

Storm Week: Storm and the Elementals!!

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We all know in X-Lore, Storm is Mother Nature. Her naked habits, love of gardening and African roots add a unique aspect to her character that just happens to mesh well with her powers, that ability to control the weather. Storm has spoken many times about how she can see the energy in the earth and can be one with the weather. When she lost her powers, she went through a great deal of lonliness which only Forge and Yukio helped save her from (but lets leave them in those boring Storm's lover threads).

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Interestingly, Storm isn't the only character in the MU who can sense these energy fields and patterns. Many characters have elemental powers, but are any of them on par with Storm? If multiple characters with elemental powers battled would the weather know what to do? Who would it listen to? Is the "weather" a sentient being like death or eternity? This thread is to discuss Storm and her interactions with other elemental characters. Who is she more/less powerful then? Who does she need a mini-series with? And who should become Storm's new apprentice?

[MuhollandDriver]

You need a photo of Meggan up there.

Empath, shapeshifter, and elemental rolled in one elflike ball!

[darknessatnoon]

Ugh,

pictures of Meggan are never needed, but I love that Living Lightning is up!

[AcesX1X]

swashbuckler, what a beautiful thread!

let me take some time to collect my thoughts on the matter, and i will return..

[Swashbuckler]

I didn't include Meggan for a number of reasons, mainly because I see her as Mother Nature's Afterbirth. She's this mess of things that is never defined. She may very well be an elemental, or she could be some pixie creature who emits radiation and just causes people to think she's special. I don't know. And frankly, Captain Britain fans will bog my fun thread down with Meggan's unnecessary continuity which Storm does not care about.

[Elegance Liberty]

IMHO, Thor is stronger than Storm power-wise, since he is a god, after all. So he'd rank higher than her by default... though us Thor fans aren't quite sure about that whole Odinpower thing going on with him, which may give Storm some leeway, depending on who'd be writing in this current day.

Though IIRC they both put up a good fight against one another in a 'Contest of Champions' mini-series once... one that Thor won by taking Storm's breath away with his powers... literally. (Would you believe that this was written by Claremont, of all people?)

Otherwise, I think the Asgardians and X-Men in general are in good standing with one another.

Not sure about the other guys, though. Sorry.

[The Thunderbird]

What about fire-based characters such as Human Torch, Ghost Rider, and Phoenix? Fire is an element too. Can she match the supernatural powers of Ghost Rider? Can her omega status give her the same potential as Jean? And don't forget Iceman as well.

[AcesX1X]

And don't forget Iceman as well.

iceman is a buffoon, and cannot get out of his own way.

serious entries only, please.

[darknessatnoon]

iceman is a buffoon, and cannot get out of his own way.

serious entries only, please.

What? Don't you want to see people debate who is more powerful, Storm or Iceman, some more?

[chemicalx]

Thor as the God of Thunder gets an Auto win on this. If for no other reason then that marvel would never let him get beat by storm or any mutant type with the exception of maybe Magneto or Namor...

After that the closest comp to storm would Crystal she has been snown to be a pretty tough cookie. I think just by the shear diversity of her abilities and the fire power she has shown in the past she would give storm a run for her money. That said, their powers are very different as storm controls all the elements that crystal can not and vise versa..

Everyone else on here loses to storm. Living lightning would end up being controled by ororo the minute he changed to his energy form ALA Blitzkreg from COC I

Winddancer just isnt experienced enough with her powers to battle storm. She has some neat moves but compared to storm she is a one trick pony ...

Iceman has great odds against ororo if for no other reason than the fact that she really cant kill him as far as we have seen. However iceman's powers depend on the ambient moisture in the air and storm controls that so she could cut off his power source. Also, she might be able to affect bobby in his ice form changing his state against his will like she did with hydro man in FF. She has the greater experience and willingness to go for the kill so i put a battle in her favor

We have seen storm fight Jonny Storm a few times. He isnt willing to do what he would have to do to beat her ie go nova and storm has to many ways to take him out otherwise so i give it to storm...

[darknessatnoon]

Thor as the God of Thunder gets an Auto win on this. If for no other reason then that marvel would never let him get beat by storm or any mutant type with the exception of maybe Magneto or Namor...

After that the closest comp to storm would Crystal she has been snown to be a pretty tough cookie. I think just by the shear diversity of her abilities and the fire power she has shown in the past she would give storm a run for her money. That said, their powers are very different as storm controls all the elements that crystal can not and vise versa..

Everyone else on here loses to storm. Living lightning would end up being controled by ororo the minute he changed to his energy form ALA Blitzkreg from COC I

Winddancer just isnt experienced enough with her powers to battle storm. She has some neat moves but compared to storm she is a one trick pony ...

What about characters like Johnny Storm or Avalanche?

Boom Boom once beat Thor.

[chemicalx]

Boom Boom once beat Thor.

I stand corrected... mutant types like magneto, namor and boom boom/meltdown/boomer...

[Yogaflame]

Storm definately needs to spend more time with other elementals. In the X-world, she smited Earthquake and Pyro, and instructed Iceman and Wind Dancer. In Marvel Adventures, she and Thor discuss the intricacies of lightning manifestation. Crystal and Meggan, though aquainted with Ororo, have never really had proper girl time. Same goes for Photon and Firestar.

In terms of raw power, Storm is second only to Thor in my opinion. In her highest displays of power, she has crushed a nuke and blasted through a mountain with air pressure, protected the entire earth from solar flares with a global cloud shield, and coalesced the composite energy of a galactic core in the space of her body, creating a star of the highest magnitude.

Crystal and Megan have displayed greater versitility in-so-far as being able to control all the elements with equal ability. While Storm has shown the basic skills necessary for earth and fire manipulation(sensing the energetic qualities of earthquakes, and control over temperature and gases), and one could argue, has in one occassion at least, created an earthquake(in Priest's BP), she normally holds herself to air, water and plasma.

I have always believed that when Ororo was buried in the fiery rubble of her childhood home, she developed an aversion to earth and fire in addition to her claustrophobia. Storm's basic power is an innate connection with the natural forces of creation, so with all mental/psychological barriers out of the way, I believe she could be equally adept at controlling earth and fire in addition to her favored water, air and ether, making her a true mistress of the elements.

Iceman, Hydroman, Sandman, Photon and Living Lightning all exhibit another aspect to their ability which Storm has not developed: elemental transmutation. Those aformentioned elementals can actually transform their bodies into the element they control and back. While Storm regularly sheathes herself in lightning, pouring even from her eyes, and has more rarely has shaped a tornado or clouds into human shapes, she does not transcend her flesh and bones body for a pure elemental one.

There are three instances in canon where this limitation is broken: 1) in the the begining of the Roguestorm arc, a lightning bolt appears from nowhere, flashing down on Doom's castle. When the flash fades, Storm is present, demanding to see the master. This may very well be an instance of Storm becoming lightning, using a lightning form to travel quick as lightning, which is a fair amount of the speed of light. If this were so, she should use this trick much more often, as it would give her a huge advantage in many situations. 2) In the Ages of Apocalypse, an alternative reality where Storm was a founding member of the X-Men in the place of Jean, Ororo eventually becomes a true elemental, living meterological energy. 3) In the previously mentioned galactic core stunt, she becomes a star.

So while Storm has shown the potential to transubstantiate, she does not, perhaps in favor of maintaining some sense of humanity. She should hang out with Photon a bit and see if she can learn to experiment more with her energetic form.

As far as who the elements would listen to if it came down to it, that falls to will power. Imagine two equally adept atheletes wrestling 1-on-1. Neither of them have any inherint advantage, the contest will just come down to who wants it more. Storm has displayed one of the greatest willpowers of all the characters in the Marvel Universe. She shuts down telepaths, she stares down dimension-maintaining entities, back talks to gods and has contained all of Eternity within her. She instantly vaporized Hydroman with a glance, rearranged an entire dimension and imprisioned its regents, and she is favored by the Goddess, so there are not many who could challenge her dominion.

Victory and salutations to the Goddess!!!

[RickyD410]

I really wish could have have seen more scenes with Storm and Wind Dancer together. We only got one: X-Men 165, the Christmas issue that Claremont wrote. We saw Storm teaching Wind Dancer how to control the weather by using the winds to alter baromatic pressure. It was pretty cool. Too bad we couldnt get more of that.

I think with more experience, Sofia could have been very formidable. She uses her wind differently than Storm does. I mean, in a fight, she definitely couldnt beat Storm (Ororo just has so much control over everything else, other than wind), but they'd be a pretty sweet team I think.

[Seres]

serious entries only, please.

I appreciate this thread. I understand and respect it. Heck, because it has Wind Dancer in it I'm nearly in love with this thread. However, everyone knows that one of the most important elements is water, because without it we will all be dead. So when you think about it there is definitely a case to be put that water is the most powerful of all the elements. You can't have a storm without rain, after, all! What I'm trying to say, essentially, is that

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Rain Boy is amazing. Although Storm would probably just electrocute him or something if they ever faced off.

I get the feeling that if more than one elemental fought each other, they wouldn't be able to hurt each other. If Storm throws a wind at Wind Dancer, Sophia would just deflect it around herself, and vica versa. It'd come down to who is the better physical fighter, in the end. But then again I know nothing of science.

[chemicalx]

A storm and wind dancer pairing would have been great i think there was a lot of potential for a good relationship. Sophia needed a Parent/mother figure (at least before she became a master of gun play...) and storm loves playing den mother. One more reason i am sad about M day :frown:

[Kage Kisaragi]

If I remember correctly Crystal is a Omnimental, she can control and manipulate all kinds of elemental matter, and thus in away I could see her being way more powerful than Storm. However she is a mommy, and tease and to be quiet frank a bitch.


Though if push came to shove I give her better odds in stomping Storm into the ground.

[Yogaflame]

Omnimental my ass, Storm would whupp her good. What would she do? Burn her? Cover her in rock? Storm's lightning is hotter than any fire and good luck trying to bury Ororo, she don't take too kindly to that sorta thing. Meanwhile, one lightning zap to Crystal's brain and she's down for the count. Or, even more subtle, a little puff of factory exhaust rerouted from the nearest smoggy city. Crystal is very prone to environmental toxins. And of course Storm would destroy her in hand-to-hand. Crystal is a spoiled little princess. Ororo might be royal too, but she's had a far more trying life, and she has come out on top.

"Omnimental", what kind of word is that? Elemental descibes Crystal's powers perfectly, and she certainly has never controlled ether, the fifth element, the 'quintessence', so "omnimental" would not even pretain to her, even if it were an actual term.

[Excelsior]

Monica Rambeau

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[darknessatnoon]

Storm definately needs to spend more time with other elementals. In the X-world, she smited Earthquake and Pyro, and instructed Iceman and Wind Dancer. In Marvel Adventures, she and Thor discuss the intricacies of lightning manifestation. Crystal and Meggan, though aquainted with Ororo, have never really had proper girl time. Same goes for Photon and Firestar.

In terms of raw power, Storm is second only to Thor in my opinion. In her highest displays of power, she has crushed a nuke and blasted through a mountain with air pressure, protected the entire earth from solar flares with a global cloud shield, and coalesced the composite energy of a galactic core in the space of her body, creating a star of the highest magnitude.

Crystal and Megan have displayed greater versitility in-so-far as being able to control all the elements with equal ability. While Storm has shown the basic skills necessary for earth and fire manipulation(sensing the energetic qualities of earthquakes, and control over temperature and gases), and one could argue, has in one occassion at least, created an earthquake(in Priest's BP), she normally holds herself to air, water and plasma.

I have always believed that when Ororo was buried in the fiery rubble of her childhood home, she developed an aversion to earth and fire in addition to her claustrophobia. Storm's basic power is an innate connection with the natural forces of creation, so with all mental/psychological barriers out of the way, I believe she could be equally adept at controlling earth and fire in addition to her favored water, air and ether, making her a true mistress of the elements.

Iceman, Hydroman, Sandman, Photon and Living Lightning all exhibit another aspect to their ability which Storm has not developed: elemental transmutation. Those aformentioned elementals can actually transform their bodies into the element they control and back. While Storm regularly sheathes herself in lightning, pouring even from her eyes, and has more rarely has shaped a tornado or clouds into human shapes, she does not transcend her flesh and bones body for a pure elemental one.

There are three instances in canon where this limitation is broken: 1) in the the begining of the Roguestorm arc, a lightning bolt appears from nowhere, flashing down on Doom's castle. When the flash fades, Storm is present, demanding to see the master. This may very well be an instance of Storm becoming lightning, using a lightning form to travel quick as lightning, which is a fair amount of the speed of light. If this were so, she should use this trick much more often, as it would give her a huge advantage in many situations. 2) In the Ages of Apocalypse, an alternative reality where Storm was a founding member of the X-Men in the place of Jean, Ororo eventually becomes a true elemental, living meterological energy. 3) In the previously mentioned galactic core stunt, she becomes a star.

So while Storm has shown the potential to transubstantiate, she does not, perhaps in favor of maintaining some sense of humanity. She should hang out with Photon a bit and see if she can learn to experiment more with her energetic form.

As far as who the elements would listen to if it came down to it, that falls to will power. Imagine two equally adept atheletes wrestling 1-on-1. Neither of them have any inherint advantage, the contest will just come down to who wants it more. Storm has displayed one of the greatest willpowers of all the characters in the Marvel Universe. She shuts down telepaths, she stares down dimension-maintaining entities, back talks to gods and has contained all of Eternity within her. She instantly vaporized Hydroman with a glance, rearranged an entire dimension and imprisioned its regents, and she is favored by the Goddess, so there are not many who could challenge her dominion.

Victory and salutations to the Goddess!!!

Omnimental my ass, Storm would whupp her good. What would she do? Burn her? Cover her in rock? Storm's lightning is hotter than any fire and good luck trying to bury Ororo, she don't take too kindly to that sorta thing. Meanwhile, one lightning zap to Crystal's brain and she's down for the count. Or, even more subtle, a little puff of factory exhaust rerouted from the nearest smoggy city. Crystal is very prone to environmental toxins. And of course Storm would destroy her in hand-to-hand. Crystal is a spoiled little princess. Ororo might be royal too, but she's had a far more trying life, and she has come out on top.

"Omnimental", what kind of word is that? Elemental descibes Crystal's powers perfectly, and she certainly has never controlled ether, the fifth element, the 'quintessence', so "omnimental" would not even pretain to her, even if it were an actual term.

Are you going to be this bizarre all week?

[ExodusCloak]

Crystal can control Earth(And everything comprised in it eg metals, minerals, magma etc.), Fire(Pyrokinesis), Wind(Atmokinesis just like Storm), Water(Hydrokinesis and Cryokinesis), Lightning(Branches off into Magnetism etc) and I seem to recall Gravity among other obscure elements.

Crystals powerset is pretty insane she's like Storm + Magma + a early Iceman + Magneto-lite + Graviton-lite + Hydroman-lite + Terra + Electro-lite etc put together.

In a fight I'd give her the slight edge, but only slight. It'd be a tough battle.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Omnimental my ass, Storm would whupp her good. What would she do? Burn her? Cover her in rock? Storm's lightning is hotter than any fire and good luck trying to bury Ororo, she don't take too kindly to that sorta thing. Meanwhile, one lightning zap to Crystal's brain and she's down for the count. Or, even more subtle, a little puff of factory exhaust rerouted from the nearest smoggy city. Crystal is very prone to environmental toxins. And of course Storm would destroy her in hand-to-hand. Crystal is a spoiled little princess. Ororo might be royal too, but she's had a far more trying life, and she has come out on top.

"Omnimental", what kind of word is that? Elemental descibes Crystal's powers perfectly, and she certainly has never controlled ether, the fifth element, the 'quintessence', so "omnimental" would not even pretain to her, even if it were an actual term.

Crystal doesn't get trumped up as much as she should, again shes a mommy now, and suffers from the "Been connected to a Lehnsherr." thus meaning she has all kinds of problems now and must be shuffled off into obscurity. Back to her powers, Crystal was described as a omnimental or omnielemental or whatever it was, she can control all elemental forces, she is a Inhuman which means she already surpasses the average human and in most cases beta and under mutant. Basically just from being a Inhuman shes faster, stronger and tougher. She can control Fire, Air, Earth and Water and pretty much all effects and conditions created their in. She can create lightning as oppose to channeling it from the sky above her or through her, though this manner of conducting isn't beyond her either.

On a stat by stat comparison Storm really doesn't exceed Crystals abilities, however Storm does have more feats. Though again we are talking about a relatively background character as oppose to a feature character in the X-Books. However if it was done based on pure power and ability, Crystal would take Storm 9/10.


Water control: crystal can make it rain, draw water from the ground, direct it and create a typhoon. she an manipulate a maximum of 15,000 gallons. She Can Create Ice to hit or encase someone or an object inside by removing the heat from the water or air. She all so can minipulate the water so fast that it has been shown to cut through solid objects. All so she able to use the water as i sheild to obsorbe the vibrations stoping it , for example , holding bullets in her water sheild and despense them out at high impact.

Fire control: Crystal can start a fire, extinguish it, throw it in different directions and create fire balls. She can create intensive heat

Earth Control: Crystal can control soil, sand, rock, granite and marble. She can set off earthquakes for a distance of up to 2 km. She has minor plant control. She can cause magma to rise from beneath the earth an make volcano's erupt

Air Control: Crystal can create winds and tornadoes of F5 scale. She can minipulate the air creating powerful wind blasts, levitation, traping someone in a air ball, ext. She can combine it with other elements to create dust storms, typhoons and fire storms. She can use air and water to control the weather to create Hurricane's, Blizzard's Thunderstorms, and other effects like summing lightning from the sky.

Lightning Control: She can create lightning from her hands or the sky


One on one Storm < Crystal. There is no real comparison. With Teammates (assuming the Inhumans vs the X-Men) it's a outright curbstomp.

I love Storm to but I can't let my love for her blind me to the fact that she is far from the says all be all of all elementals in the Marvel Universe. Crystal would wax that @$$.

Final Note she was Created by Stan Lee, thus she is incredibly broken when handled well.

[Swashbuckler]

I disagree with this. I don't think Storm would loose to Crystal. She is more formidable then Crystal, plus she is immune to the effects of weather. Is Crystal immune? Not to mention, as soon as Storm sees an opening she'd use more then just her powers. Her fists would do some heavy damage to Crystals face. Crystal is NOT a brawler. She's a spoiled little princess who Storm would pummel.

On another note, I don't think Storm could control Living Lightning. I have never seen her take exsisting lightning and control it, only create her own to control.

[darknessatnoon]

I disagree with this. I don't think Storm would loose to Crystal. She is more formidable then Crystal, plus she is immune to the effects of weather. Is Crystal immune? Not to mention, as soon as Storm sees an opening she'd use more then just her powers. Her fists would do some heavy damage to Crystals face. Crystal is NOT a brawler. She's a spoiled little princess who Storm would pummel.

On another note, I don't think Storm could control Living Lightning. I have never seen her take exsisting lightning and control it, only create her own to control.

I don't know what "immune to the effects of weather" even means. If a chunk of hail smacks Storm in the face, is she immune to a bloody nose?

[worstblogever]

I used to enjoy all the times Storm would just summon a hard rain and put Pyro's shenanigans out, and totally ruin his villainous day.

'Course, when she was depowered, he nearly burned her alive, but that's a whole other thing...

And How the hell did this become a Storm vs. Crystal "Rumbles" thread? C'mon...

[Swashbuckler]

I don't know what "immune to the effects of weather" even means. If a chunk of hail smacks Storm in the face, is she immune to a bloody nose?

Storm would never let hail hit her in the face. I am refering to her ability to create huge gusts of wind and still have perfect hair!

[darknessatnoon]

Storm would never let hail hit her in the face. I am refering to her ability to create huge gusts of wind and still have perfect hair!

That hair in your avatar is far from perfect.

[Swashbuckler]

It's the parrots fault. It's trying to nest in her weave.

[bluedmighty]

Storm definately needs to spend more time with other elementals. In the X-world, she smited Earthquake and Pyro, and instructed Iceman and Wind Dancer. In Marvel Adventures, she and Thor discuss the intricacies of lightning manifestation. Crystal and Meggan, though aquainted with Ororo, have never really had proper girl time. Same goes for Photon and Firestar.

In terms of raw power, Storm is second only to Thor in my opinion. In her highest displays of power, she has crushed a nuke and blasted through a mountain with air pressure, protected the entire earth from solar flares with a global cloud shield, and coalesced the composite energy of a galactic core in the space of her body, creating a star of the highest magnitude.

Crystal and Megan have displayed greater versitility in-so-far as being able to control all the elements with equal ability. While Storm has shown the basic skills necessary for earth and fire manipulation(sensing the energetic qualities of earthquakes, and control over temperature and gases), and one could argue, has in one occassion at least, created an earthquake(in Priest's BP), she normally holds herself to air, water and plasma.

I have always believed that when Ororo was buried in the fiery rubble of her childhood home, she developed an aversion to earth and fire in addition to her claustrophobia. Storm's basic power is an innate connection with the natural forces of creation, so with all mental/psychological barriers out of the way, I believe she could be equally adept at controlling earth and fire in addition to her favored water, air and ether, making her a true mistress of the elements.

Iceman, Hydroman, Sandman, Photon and Living Lightning all exhibit another aspect to their ability which Storm has not developed: elemental transmutation. Those aformentioned elementals can actually transform their bodies into the element they control and back. While Storm regularly sheathes herself in lightning, pouring even from her eyes, and has more rarely has shaped a tornado or clouds into human shapes, she does not transcend her flesh and bones body for a pure elemental one.

There are three instances in canon where this limitation is broken: 1) in the the begining of the Roguestorm arc, a lightning bolt appears from nowhere, flashing down on Doom's castle. When the flash fades, Storm is present, demanding to see the master. This may very well be an instance of Storm becoming lightning, using a lightning form to travel quick as lightning, which is a fair amount of the speed of light. If this were so, she should use this trick much more often, as it would give her a huge advantage in many situations. 2) In the Ages of Apocalypse, an alternative reality where Storm was a founding member of the X-Men in the place of Jean, Ororo eventually becomes a true elemental, living meterological energy. 3) In the previously mentioned galactic core stunt, she becomes a star.

So while Storm has shown the potential to transubstantiate, she does not, perhaps in favor of maintaining some sense of humanity. She should hang out with Photon a bit and see if she can learn to experiment more with her energetic form.

As far as who the elements would listen to if it came down to it, that falls to will power. Imagine two equally adept atheletes wrestling 1-on-1. Neither of them have any inherint advantage, the contest will just come down to who wants it more. Storm has displayed one of the greatest willpowers of all the characters in the Marvel Universe. She shuts down telepaths, she stares down dimension-maintaining entities, back talks to gods and has contained all of Eternity within her. She instantly vaporized Hydroman with a glance, rearranged an entire dimension and imprisioned its regents, and she is favored by the Goddess, so there are not many who could challenge her dominion.

Victory and salutations to the Goddess!!!

This is EXACTLY what I was going to say in terms of power levels.

However in terms of who the Weather listens to, that's a more difficult question.

The Weather listens to Ororo, but Obeys Thor.

The difference being that Thor exerts magical control over the Weather, while Ororo has to work with the Weather.

She can command the elements, but to do so forcefully requires more energy and concentration.

Also,

Everyone below Thor gets mollywhopped when Ororo is written correctly.

Minus Monica, who could battle Thor on equal ground.

[timbox]

Black Bolt could destroy Black Panther.

[Swashbuckler]

I wonder about Storm versus Surge. Would Surge just absorb Storm's lightning attack? Could she rechannel it, or would it override her gauntlets and cause them to break. Also, since Forge made the gauntlets, did he consult Storm about electricity? I wonder.

[jarrod]

In terms of raw power, Storm is second only to Thor in my opinion. In her highest displays of power, she has crushed a nuke and blasted through a mountain with air pressure, protected the entire earth from solar flares with a global cloud shield, and coalesced the composite energy of a galactic core in the space of her body, creating a star of the highest magnitude.
Ororo also almost plunged the world into a new ice age iirc. Her abilities really have global reach and scale when pushed.


Crystal and Megan have displayed greater versitility in-so-far as being able to control all the elements with equal ability.
In Meggan's case, she's also somewhat inexperienced with her elemental controls. If given more training and not just relying on intuition, I think she could probably become one of the top elementals on earth.

Another thing to consider with Meggan is that she's a high level metamorph, to the point where (with Rachel's guidance) she was able to mimic the mutations of various X-Men, Ororo included.

[worstblogever]

I wonder about Store versus Surge. Would Surge just absorb Storm's lightning attack? Could she rechannel it, or would it override her gauntlets and cause them to break. Also, since Forge made the gauntlets, did he consult Storm about electricity? I wonder.

All Forge knows about Storm and electricity is she definitely goes AC/DC. Yukio told him so.

[timbox]

I wonder about Store versus Surge. Would Surge just absorb Storm's lightning attack? Could she rechannel it, or would it override her gauntlets and cause them to break. Also, since Forge made the gauntlets, did he consult Storm about electricity? I wonder.

Forge had already realized what type of person Storm really was by the time he built Surge's gauntlets, so you can be sure they were built specifically to counteract Storm's powers.

Surge could beat Storm.

[jarrod]

I don't know what "immune to the effects of weather" even means. If a chunk of hail smacks Storm in the face, is she immune to a bloody nose?
Storm's not immune to weather effects, but her body does naturally counteract temperature extremes.

[swoom]

Odd. Everyone is assuming that Storm is in kill mode and everyone else is in their regular, don't kill anyone, thought process. I know O can be a killer. But in a contest like this, you have to assume that everyone is all out or will hold back. If people hold back, Storm wins hands down. Hard to bluff someone covered in lightening and hurricaning straws in your general direction.

All out though? Hard to summon lightening with an ice block for a brain. Oh wait, lightening is pretty fast. Poor shattered Iceman. He didn't....ugh....crack! Oh he doesn't have to be completely formed to freeze my brain? Wish I'd thought of that. And as for her taking the moisture out of the air, doesn't she have water in her? Maybe I'm thinking this through too much. lol:rolleyes:

[darknessatnoon]

Odd. Everyone is assuming that Storm is in kill mode and everyone else is in their regular, don't kill anyone, thought process. I know O can be a killer. But in a contest like this, you have to assume that everyone is all out or will hold back. If people hold back, Storm wins hands down. Hard to bluff someone covered in lightening and hurricaning straws in your general direction.

All out though? Hard to summon lightening with an ice block for a brain. Oh wait, lightening is pretty fast. Poor shattered Iceman. He didn't....ugh....crack! Oh he doesn't have to be completely formed to freeze my brain? Wish I'd thought of that. And as for her taking the moisture out of the air, doesn't she have water in her? Maybe I'm thinking this through too much. lol:rolleyes:

Storm controls moisture. Iceman IS moisture. Storm controls Iceman. Debate over.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I disagree with this. I don't think Storm would loose to Crystal. She is more formidable then Crystal, plus she is immune to the effects of weather. Is Crystal immune? Not to mention, as soon as Storm sees an opening she'd use more then just her powers. Her fists would do some heavy damage to Crystals face. Crystal is NOT a brawler. She's a spoiled little princess who Storm would pummel.

On another note, I don't think Storm could control Living Lightning. I have never seen her take exsisting lightning and control it, only create her own to control.

I'm pretty sure I made myself very clear. Storm would win in a fight due to the fact that it's storm a prominate marvel character who is featured in the X-Men, hence writers have no real reason to let her lose to Crystal a background character of Fantastic Four fame. It's similar to how Abomination should be able to beat the tar out of Colossus but being that he's a featured character you can almost bet Colossus will win. But pound for pound crystals powers are better than Storms, and allow her to do exactly what Storm does. Storms powers and thus the writing for them is a lot more narrow than Crystals for two really simple reasons, Storm is always in the middle of some plot which calls for her to do something new or old practically all the time, Crystal is a after thought in any FF story that doesn't require a hot red /blonde to look sexy or kiss some dude, nextly Storm powers all under one ability Atmoskinesis, thus she has to pretty much come up with 101 applications of this power for her to look awesome and guess what it works. Crystal has like 4 to 5 different kinesis under her belt and I doubt writers are trying to creatively push all of them to the very limits.. no you willo more often than not see crystal do the standard fair because she is not a featured character, because she is not the hero of the story, she is just there for support and eye candy.

We cannot compare experience because before The X-Men became marvels most premire property the likes of their villains did not exceed any other marvel franchise, the FF supposedly had the strongest rogue gallery, so if Crystal only helped them even half the time that would allow for serious credit in her fight list (the likes of cosmics and aliens from beyond.) again yes Storm was a leader, she fought tons of people but she didn't fight Crystal, I don't even think she fought anyone with Crystal powerset, Crystal's powerset goes beyond elemental powers, she again is a Inhuman which means she already surpasses the likes of Captain America in physical ability. Jug my memory was it ever mentioned that Storm surpassed Captain America's physical capabilities?

In a actual Comic (I'll spell it out so that my alliegences wont be questioned.) Storm would win, but it would most likely be some kind of contrived explaination like "Crystal didn't have her heart in it, or was suffering from exposuring to earths polluted atmosphere, or that Storm tricked her, or maybe it might even be because they decided Storm's just that much more powerful than her since shes more focused on one powerset. But in all likeliness considering what Crys can do unbiasedly would pick her over Storm.

[nikbackm]

Ororo also almost plunged the world into a new ice age iirc. Her abilities really have global reach and scale when pushed.


Aren't you forgetting that RACHEL amplified Storm's powers then? And here I thought you were a fan.

[jarrod]

Aren't you forgetting that RACHEL amplified Storm's powers then? And here I thought you were a fan.
ZOMG, Rachel was just peer pressuring Storm to do it.

Ray and Ro did have psychic orgasm though that left " no secrets between them". Did Ro mind-bang with Jean too? :eek:

[worstblogever]

I'm pretty sure I made myself very clear. Storm would win in a fight due to the fact that it's storm a prominate marvel character who is featured in the X-Men, hence writers have no real reason to let her lose to Crystal a background character of Fantastic Four fame. It's similar to how Abomination should be able to beat the tar out of Colossus but being that he's a featured character you can almost bet Colossus will win. But pound for pound crystals powers are better than Storms, and allow her to do exactly what Storm does. Storms powers and thus the writing for them is a lot more narrow than Crystals for two really simple reasons, Storm is always in the middle of some plot which calls for her to do something new or old practically all the time, Crystal is a after thought in any FF story that doesn't require a hot red /blonde to look sexy or kiss some dude, nextly Storm powers all under one ability Atmoskinesis, thus she has to pretty much come up with 101 applications of this power for her to look awesome and guess what it works. Crystal has like 4 to 5 different kinesis under her belt and I doubt writers are trying to creatively push all of them to the very limits.. no you willo more often than not see crystal do the standard fair because she is not a featured character, because she is not the hero of the story, she is just there for support and eye candy.

We cannot compare experience because before The X-Men became marvels most premire property the likes of their villains did not exceed any other marvel franchise, the FF supposedly had the strongest rogue gallery, so if Crystal only helped them even half the time that would allow for serious credit in her fight list (the likes of cosmics and aliens from beyond.) again yes Storm was a leader, she fought tons of people but she didn't fight Crystal, I don't even think she fought anyone with Crystal powerset, Crystal's powerset goes beyond elemental powers, she again is a Inhuman which means she already surpasses the likes of Captain America in physical ability. Jug my memory was it ever mentioned that Storm surpassed Captain America's physical capabilities?

In a actual Comic (I'll spell it out so that my alliegences wont be questioned.) Storm would win, but it would most likely be some kind of contrived explaination like "Crystal didn't have her heart in it, or was suffering from exposuring to earths polluted atmosphere, or that Storm tricked her, or maybe it might even be because they decided Storm's just that much more powerful than her since shes more focused on one powerset. But in all likeliness considering what Crys can do unbiasedly would pick her over Storm.

Case in point: Crystal can survive in the Vacuum of space. Meaning, she could put the claustrophobic Storm in a force field, and fly her up into orbit, then let her loose to suffocate. End fight.

[Kage Kisaragi]

ZOMG, Rachel was just peer pressuring Storm to do it.

Ray and Ro did have psychic orgasm though that left " no secrets between them". Did Ro mind-bang with Jean too? :eek:

All the time, thats why she was her best friend. I mean Jean had to get her stimuluous from some where, Scott only had the hots for old baldy.

[jarrod]

All the time, thats why she was her best friend. I mean Jean had to get her stimuluous from some where, Scott only had the hots for old baldy.
Have any other X-Men banged the senior and junior Grey girls too? I know Logan got shot down by both...

[Kage Kisaragi]

Have any other X-Men banged the senior and junior Grey girls too? I know Logan got shot down by both...

no not to my knowledge, Storm is very protective of her girls. :biggrin: I think Rachel kissed a few though, I know she kissed Kurt in one of the most infamous kiss scenes ever.. The look on her face afterwards says it all.. lol

[ExodusCloak]

no not to my knowledge, Storm is very protective of her girls. :biggrin: I think Rachel kissed a few though, I know she kissed Kurt in one of the most infamous kiss scenes ever.. The look on her face afterwards says it all.. lol

You make her sound like a Madame.

[Excelsior]

Case in point: Crystal can survive in the Vacuum of space. Meaning, she could put the claustrophobic Storm in a force field, and fly her up into orbit, then let her loose to suffocate. End fight.

Storm Lightning flashes Crystal blinding her. The bolt travels at 60,000 m/s, and heats Crystal to 30,000 °C (54,000 °F), hot enough to fuse silica sand. Lightning also produces X-ray emissions, and as long as Crystal's force field allows light to enter she will be effected by the lightning. Lightning-induced magnetism--the movement of electrical charges produces a magnetic field (see electromagnetism).

Leading to this --->Electricity Found to Cause Massive Brain Cell Loss


A sweeping two-part study of the effects of electricity on the human body has concluded that short- or long-term exposure to the phenomena may be responsible for the untimely demise of millions of brain cells.

http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=259

"We found a direct, linear correlation between electricity exposure and brain cell deactivation and decay, even at comparatively low exposure levels," said Dr. Diesey. "The more time our test subjects spent near electrical devices and the closer they were to them, the greater the rate of brain cell attrition."

And that's just a lightning bolt. I haven't gotten to low temperature exposure, or high winds.

Verdict: Storm wins.

[AcesX1X]

wait, is this cosplay? i'm confused.

[darknessatnoon]

Storm Lightning flashes Crystal blinding her. The bolt travels at 60,000 m/s, and heats Crystal to 30,000 °C (54,000 °F), hot enough to fuse silica sand. Lightning also produces X-ray emissions, and as long as Crystal's force field allows light to enter she will be effected by the lightning. Lightning-induced magnetism--the movement of electrical charges produces a magnetic field (see electromagnetism).

Leading to this --->Electricity Found to Cause Massive Brain Cell Loss


A sweeping two-part study of the effects of electricity on the human body has concluded that short- or long-term exposure to the phenomena may be responsible for the untimely demise of millions of brain cells.

http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=259

"We found a direct, linear correlation between electricity exposure and brain cell deactivation and decay, even at comparatively low exposure levels," said Dr. Diesey. "The more time our test subjects spent near electrical devices and the closer they were to them, the greater the rate of brain cell attrition."

And that's just a lightning bolt. I haven't gotten to low temperature exposure, or high winds.

Verdict: Storm wins.

How do you reconcile that with the fact that Storm has lightning in her brain all the time. Are you calling Storm a retard?

[Excelsior]

wait, is this cosplay? i'm confused.
Just blinding you with science:tongue:

[ExodusCloak]

Storm Lightning flashes Crystal blinding her. The bolt travels at 60,000 m/s, and heats Crystal to 30,000 °C (54,000 °F), hot enough to fuse silica sand. Lightning also produces X-ray emissions, and as long as Crystal's force field allows light to enter she will be effected by the lightning. Lightning-induced magnetism--the movement of electrical charges produces a magnetic field (see electromagnetism).

Leading to this --->Electricity Found to Cause Massive Brain Cell Loss


A sweeping two-part study of the effects of electricity on the human body has concluded that short- or long-term exposure to the phenomena may be responsible for the untimely demise of millions of brain cells.

http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=259

"We found a direct, linear correlation between electricity exposure and brain cell deactivation and decay, even at comparatively low exposure levels," said Dr. Diesey. "The more time our test subjects spent near electrical devices and the closer they were to them, the greater the rate of brain cell attrition."

And that's just a lightning bolt. I haven't gotten to low temperature exposure, or high winds.

Verdict: Storm wins.

Crystal's not getting downed by lightning or low temperatures seeing how she can you know counter both effects with her own powers. It'll be a stalemate if they fought in a comic.

http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blz19bv7.jpg

[Excelsior]

How do you reconcile that with the fact that Storm has lightning in her brain all the time. Are you calling Storm a retard?

if she were human like you or I maybe. but shes a Mutant, thats why beast doesnt Shed. And Emma's breast implants do not leak.

[worstblogever]

Storm Lightning flashes Crystal blinding her. The bolt travels at 60,000 m/s, and heats Crystal to 30,000 °C (54,000 °F), hot enough to fuse silica sand. Lightning also produces X-ray emissions, and as long as Crystal's force field allows light to enter she will be effected by the lightning. Lightning-induced magnetism--the movement of electrical charges produces a magnetic field (see electromagnetism).

Leading to this --->Electricity Found to Cause Massive Brain Cell Loss


A sweeping two-part study of the effects of electricity on the human body has concluded that short- or long-term exposure to the phenomena may be responsible for the untimely demise of millions of brain cells.

http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=259

"We found a direct, linear correlation between electricity exposure and brain cell deactivation and decay, even at comparatively low exposure levels," said Dr. Diesey. "The more time our test subjects spent near electrical devices and the closer they were to them, the greater the rate of brain cell attrition."

And that's just a lightning bolt. I haven't gotten to low temperature exposure, or high winds.

Verdict: Storm wins.

If Storm's been defeated by Masque before, I don't think Crystal will have a problem besting her at some point, though.

[darknessatnoon]

if she were human like you or I maybe. but shes a Mutant, thats why beast doesnt Shed. And Emma's breast implants do not leak.

Beast uses a litter box. I'm sure he sheds.

[Excelsior]

Limitations: Crystal can sustain a certain elemental phenomenon for approximately one hour before her mind begins to tire. She can also create any number of effects in succession for about forty-five minutes before mental fatigue impairs her performance

Inhumans' immune systems are weaker than that of an average human, and Crystal is unable to stand the pollution, such as smog, that normal humans can unless she takes a weekly dose of a serum created by Reed Richards and Henry Pym that immunizes her against these adverse effects

Poor girl is a paper tiger, with no endurance.

[Bingo!]

wait, is this cosplay? i'm confused.

Cosplay:
http://images2.ggl.com/articles/3645/1.jpg

http://images.cosplay.com/photos/84/842643.jpg

http://www.sockpuppetasylum.com/cosplay/connecticon2007/39.jpg

[Excelsior]

Wasp is a cutey Pie, so is Hawkeye. Thor looks like Silent Bob. I think Jay would make a great Loki.

[bluedmighty]

Case in point: Crystal can survive in the Vacuum of space. Meaning, she could put the claustrophobic Storm in a force field, and fly her up into orbit, then let her loose to suffocate. End fight.

Force field of what?

Air? The same stuff Ororo has control over, and at this point, I'd say she's THE air mover in Marvel right now.

At any rate, Crystal would have to battle Ororo's Will for control of that wind.

Also,

Has it been said, explicitly, that Crystal or Megan see energy paterns the same way Ororo does?

Ororo's sensitivity and awareness aren't just weather related.
She can follow specific energy signatures and see the Neurons responsible for thought and action. She has also manipulated this energy in order to place an EMP inside the brain of Clor.

It is possible that she could dissipate any of Cyrstals attacks the same way she broke down Hydroman. (seeing the elements envolved, and them breaking them down to their base.)

Also, don't Crystal and Megan have aversions to toxins?

Couldn't Ororo just gas'em in a pea soup fog of pollutants?

Couldn't she bat Crystal around with Chem-trail laced gale force winds?

Acid rain?

Has anybody mentioned Ororo's control over spacial phenomena?

Can Crystal survive one of these:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3334/uxm99pg105cc.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm99pg105cc.jpg)

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7061/spacelightningml2.jpg (http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spacelightningml2.jpg)

Or,

If she's taking her into space, what would stop Queen O from absorbing power directly from the sun

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9628/stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg)


IF Crystal manages to get Ororo into space, it would most certainly end in a draw.

[bluedmighty]

If Storm's been defeated by Masque before, I don't think Crystal will have a problem besting her at some point, though.

I'm confused about the context of this statement.

When did Masque ever defeat Ororo?

[swoom]

Storm controls moisture. Iceman IS moisture. Storm controls Iceman. Debate over.


Powers and Abilities:
sense and influence meteorological energy patterns, creating rain, wind, hail, lightning, snow, sleet, fog and temperature changes

Maybe I don't see it. Where does it say that she controls moisture? If she did, so what? She dispurses him? How long would it take her to raise the temp enough to melt him?

Still seeing a frozen brain......

[jarrod]

Has it been said, explicitly, that Crystal or Megan see energy paterns the same way Ororo does?
Meggan can see natural and mystical energy patterns. When battling Jamie Braddock and Vixen/Sat-yr-9's henchmen she said her vision was literally beyond human comprehension. She can also enhance her other senses, she used to often shift to a were-form for tracking by scent.


Also, don't Crystal and Megan have aversions to toxins?
Yes but Meggan's body will naturally counteract any toxic environment in time. We saw this a few times during the Cross-Time Caper, both with Meggan and her alternate world counterparts. She can literally survive in about any environment really. She's also able to become basically invulnerable physically, on par with Juggernaut or the Hulk.

[Yogaflame]

Crystal's not getting downed by lightning or low temperatures seeing how she can you know counter both effects with her own powers. It'll be a stalemate if they fought in a comic.

http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blz19bv7.jpg

How dare you try to use Hudlin's "I can't use my powers in space or underwater" Storm as evidence. I motion for dismissal.

[ExodusCloak]

How dare you try to use Hudlin's "I can't use my powers in space or underwater" Storm as evidence. I motion for dismissal.

In fairness to Hudlin it depends where in space Storm is. Just like it depends where on Earth she is eg the atmosphere is too thin in

There's another instance where she needed Archangel to help her fly near the edge of Space because the atmosphere was so thin.

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classicxmen01806jc0.jpg

[Yogaflame]

In fairness to Hudlin it depends where in space Storm is. Just like it depends where on Earth she is eg the atmosphere is too thin in

There's another instance where she needed Archangel to help her fly near the edge of Space because the atmosphere was so thin.

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classicxmen01806jc0.jpg

The link you used is wrong, and if I remember correctly, what you may be referring to was X-Men # 2 or 3 (1991) where Storm helped Archangel fly half way to Asteroid M, along with the rest of the team in the plastic glider Forge designed.

And there is no "fairness" for Hudlin's ignorance. He purposely wrote Storm down so she would not overpower her new hubby in those scenes. While Storm does work with the elements at hand and is somewhat hampered in the thin atmosphere of the Blue Area of the moon, in water she is just a deadly if not moreso than in air due to the density of water. Imagine the energy of 100mph air. Now imagine the energy of 100mph saltwater.

[chemicalx]

The link you used is wrong, and if I remember correctly, what you may be referring to was X-Men # 2 or 3 (1991) where Storm helped Archangel fly half way to Asteroid M, along with the rest of the team in the plastic glider Forge designed.


yup storm carried an entire group of x-men and a glider to the limits of earth's atmosphere and then Jean pulled them to Asteroid M after that. Warren even stated that he wouldnt have been able to fly that high without storms winds to hold him aloft...

[ExodusCloak]

The link you used is wrong, and if I remember correctly, what you may be referring to was X-Men # 2 or 3 (1991) where Storm helped Archangel fly half way to Asteroid M, along with the rest of the team in the plastic glider Forge designed.

And there is no "fairness" for Hudlin's ignorance. He purposely wrote Storm down so she would not overpower her new hubby in those scenes. While Storm does work with the elements at hand and is somewhat hampered in the thin atmosphere of the Blue Area of the moon, in water she is just a deadly if not moreso than in air due to the density of water. Imagine the energy of 100mph air. Now imagine the energy of 100mph saltwater.

The link isn't wrong, I didn't have the Archangel scan on hand that's why I said there was another instance. The link still demonstrates my point about the atmosphere. IRRC in that Archangel scan she says something along the lines of not being able to go any further because of the thin atmosphere.

[Yogaflame]

Honey, Angel is not even with the team in that link you posted. And for the record, while Storm does work with the elements at hand, she also controls them. She can pull thicker atmosphere from below if she desires, as she did in that X-Treme issue where she flies just into space, but there is a thin border of blue sky around her body.

[ExodusCloak]

Honey, Angel is not even with the team in that link you posted. And for the record, while Storm does work with the elements at hand, she also controls them. She can pull thicker atmosphere from below if she desires, as she did in that X-Treme issue where she flies just into space, but there is a thin border of blue sky around her body.

*Hits head off desk*

Two instances where I could recall off the top of my head where she had trouble due to the thin atmosphere.

One instance = the one with Angel

Another instance = the link

A third instance which I just recalled would have been in the morlock tunnels where Callisto hits her out of the air with a sling shot IRRC.

[MuhollandDriver]

I didn't include Meggan for a number of reasons, mainly because I see her as Mother Nature's Afterbirth. She's this mess of things that is never defined. She may very well be an elemental, or she could be some pixie creature who emits radiation and just causes people to think she's special. I don't know. And frankly, Captain Britain fans will bog my fun thread down with Meggan's unnecessary continuity which Storm does not care about.

i am a big fan of Meggan...and Your post had me laughing in tears (in a good way.)

Despite being a fan....i find this post utterly accurate!

[Kage Kisaragi]

Ar we going to talk about theoretical fatalities? I have some in mind for Crystal that are pretty awesome.

1.) Crystal rapidly raises the temperature of the water in Storms body and draws it out which flash fries her lungs and causes her to drown simutaneously. With the normal reaction to drowning kicking in plus the fact that her lungs are burned I imagine Storm regardless of what she thinks will flounder around like a goppy out of water until dead, unable to even speak some long winded final words.

2.) Crystal creates a air bubble in Storms head and crushes her brain and it dribbles out her noise.

3.) Crystal draws sand form the Earth creates and F5 and shreds Storm to death.

4.) Crystal plays it cool and waits for Storm to visit her garden, then makes the planets grow to tremendous size and violently rape her. Okay thats a sexality.

5.) Crystal waits for Storm to fly up high then removes the air around Storm causing her to plummet to the Ground. Splat!

[LordAllMighty]

Case in point: Crystal can survive in the Vacuum of space.

Wait....what? When has Crystal done this?

Ar we going to talk about theoretical fatalities? I have some in mind for Crystal that are pretty awesome.

1.) Crystal rapidly raises the temperature of the water in Storms body and draws it out which flash fries her lungs and causes her to drown simutaneously. With the normal reaction to drowning kicking in plus the fact that her lungs are burned I imagine Storm regardless of what she thinks will flounder around like a goppy out of water until dead, unable to even speak some long winded final words.

2.) Crystal creates a air bubble in Storms head and crushes her brain and it dribbles out her noise.

3.) Crystal draws sand form the Earth creates and F5 and shreds Storm to death.

4.) Crystal plays it cool and waits for Storm to visit her garden, then makes the planets grow to tremendous size and violently rape her. Okay thats a sexality.

5.) Crystal waits for Storm to fly up high then removes the air around Storm causing her to plummet to the Ground. Splat!

Name the biggest power feat Crystal has ever done and I bet Storm has out did it. IIRC, the most impressive thing Crystal has ever done was hold the island of the inhuman live on in mid-air while cooling the lava beneath it (Very Impressive). Storm on the other hand, has created a cosmic elemental shield to block the earth from a solar flare, she pulled energy from stars and become one with the universe. Just to name a few.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Wait....what? When has Crystal done this?



Name the biggest power feat Crystal has ever done and I bet Storm has out did it. IIRC, the most impressive thing Crystal has ever done was hold the island of the inhuman live on in mid-air while cooling the lava beneath it (Very Impressive). Storm on the other hand, has created a cosmic elemental shield to block the earth from a solar flare, she pulled energy from stars and become one with the universe. Just to name a few.

Your just proving my point. :tongue: *shacks the thread violently*

[LordAllMighty]

Your just proving my point. :tongue: *shacks the thread violently*

I'm just speaking the thruth....:tongue:

[AcesX1X]

UGH, who is this crystal person everyone keeps mentioning, and why do you keep talking about her?

this is STORM week, so please do not usurp her spotlight with these d-list characters.