Saw 5

[joemagnum611]

I'm a big fan of the Saw series. I love how it makes you think and just throws you for a loop at the end. Even though I knew what the end of part 2 was gonna be b4 it ended. I was watching part 4 and it kind of threw me.

Can anyone give me a brief outline of what has happened so far. So I can have my head straight when I go to see it. And I'd like to know any of your theories on what you think will happen in part 5

[the goddamn batman]

What's with all the weak-ass google-fu going around lately?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_series

Though, this might not even count as google-fu.

Also? Saw V? Really? This series is still going? Wow. I had no idea.

[bookguy]

Try google-ing Saw V and click on Wiki-pedia.

There's some good stuff on it and believe it or not, there's plans for a Saw VI.

:biggrin:

[KiFF86]

God I loved Saw I, II was ok. But man has it sucked since then.

[Legato]

Saw has gotten like Halloween now. Money is the only reason this series is still going, I think the series should have ended right when Jigsaw died in part three.

[kmeyers]

They really should have stopped after the first one.

[arp2008]

They really should have stopped after the first one. Yep, for, IMO, each sequel has gotten progressively worse. I wonder how long the Saw franchise will continue, though. Could we one day see a Saw XXV?

[Jared H.]

My wife and I have started a tradition of watched the new Saw movie every Halloween. Sure, they're bad movies. But we still get some sort of odd fun out of the whole deal.

Heck, we even rented the other 4 movies so we could watch them this week for the heck of it. We'll culminate it all with watching Saw V this weekend.

[Young Avenger]

There's some good stuff on it and believe it or not, there's plans for a Saw VI.

:biggrin:

They also have plans for a Saw video game.

I watched all four movies this week and I think it a good series of movies. Saw II being the best one.

[kmeyers]

There's some good stuff on it and believe it or not, there's plans for a Saw VI.

:biggrin:

There's actually a reality show called Scream Queens on VH1 where the winner gets a part in Saw VI.

[Greg Anderson]

My friend made me watch 4 a few days ago. It was better than 3, which I thought sucked big time. I loved the first one, but the sequels have reduced the awesome factor of the franchise.

[Guy1]

So..what is left to do with the series anyway? Jigsaw's dead now for crying out loud.

[Sean Walsh]

So..what is left to do with the series anyway? Jigsaw's dead now for crying out loud.

Until Jigsaw comes back from the dead at the end of the movie, which for some reason I see happening (I call it the Jason Voorhees Effect), thanks to all these commercials hyping how we won't believe the ending of the movie.

[drwho]

I thought this was pretty good. The acting and story was decent which made up for a not so awesome final twist, but it was decent. Still is Saw just going to turn into a yearly halloween slasher film now? The main story seems over so what would be next for this franchise?

[carabas]

I'm a big fan of the Saw series... Can anyone give me a brief outline of what has happened so far?

Does Not compute.

[suttercain]

They really should have stopped after the first one.

Artistically yeah. But if I was an investor, hell no. The budget for part 5 was 10 million. It made 30 this weekend. They'll keep making them until the value is no longer there.

[Murrocko]

I stopped at Saw II. I heard the other sequels suck

[arp2008]

I stopped at Saw II. I heard the other sequels suck You heard right.

[Legato]

I stopped at Saw II. I heard the other sequels suck

I stopped at Saw II also. Not as decent as the first one but not as bad as the sequels that followed it either.

[KiFF86]

I stopped at Saw II also. Not as decent as the first one but not as bad as the sequels that followed it either.

Considering 3 took a huge flamming dump on the first two.....yeah everything as be crap. If they ended at two, that would be fine. 3, 4 and 5 should seem like different movies trying to be something they aren't.

[Nate Grey]

I thought this was pretty good. The acting and story was decent which made up for a not so awesome final twist, but it was decent. Still is Saw just going to turn into a yearly halloween slasher film now? The main story seems over so what would be next for this franchise?

Well they're at least doing one more. As for where to go next, remember, we don't know who left that note on Hoffman's desk (Strauss was still at the hospital at the time). That's the only thing that needs to be addressed now, and could probably make up the majority of the storyline for Saw VI.

I'm curious as to what was in the box the will reader left for Jigsaw's ex. Whatever it was, it was serious. She seemed to, I don't know, understand something when she peeked inside. Her composure suddenly became calm yet serious. It couldn't have been tapes or paperwork, cause there's no way to know what was on them. It had to be something else that visually she'd recognize from his/her/their past. I even wonder if she deliberately lied to the police about Strauss because of whatever the effects were in the box.

As for the 5-as-1 subplot, I thought it was pretty interesting, but I wonder if somehow the woman who survived (played by Julie Benz) is in on it and will play into the finale. We never got to see her hand, so I get the feeling she only let the saw cut herself a little. The camera got jerky so I think during all the commotion she pushed the druggie's arm in further only he didn't realize it cause of the pain. I'm almost certain of this since he died from blood loss and she didn't. Jigsaw got Hoffman to be his apprentice without Amanda knowing, what if he got HER to be his apprentice without Hoffman knowing? Hoffman's downfall is that he does things for personal gain, so maybe Jigsaw had the forsight to have someone in place to get rid of Hoffman after all his "work" is done.

Still doesn't explain who left the note on the desk, but that's my working theory on Brit.

[Young Avenger]

So..what is left to do with the series anyway? Jigsaw's dead now for crying out loud.

I thought this was pretty good. The acting and story was decent which made up for a not so awesome final twist, but it was decent. Still is Saw just going to turn into a yearly halloween slasher film now? The main story seems over so what would be next for this franchise?

They could you know, start a completely new story with Hoffman as Jigsaw. I believe that was the point of Jigsaw having an apprentice

[Kaos]

This movie shoulda been over years ago.

[joemagnum611]

Just watched part 5 and I have to say that I liked it. It was a good set up to what should be the final chapter. I just hope we get to see Dr. Gordon in the next one. I kow that everyone says that he's dead but we don't know for sure. Jigsaw left soon after he did in the first one so for all we know he could have helped fix him up and the good Dr. is the real aprentice.

[Nate Grey]

Just watched part 5 and I have to say that I liked it. It was a good set up to what should be the final chapter. I just hope we get to see Dr. Gordon in the next one. I kow that everyone says that he's dead but we don't know for sure. Jigsaw left soon after he did in the first one so for all we know he could have helped fix him up and the good Dr. is the real aprentice.

Kinda what I was thinking. Either him or the ex is the one who left the note on Hoffman's desk. What I'm thinking though is that since Cary Elwes won't work with the series anymore, that Dr. Gordon will have gotten a face lift and is now someone else. My guess is that he's really Strauss's boss (can't think of the guy's name). No limp = Jigsaw is such a good engineer he probably created an AWESOME prostetic foot and ankle. His shock at seeing what appeared to be him falling for Hoffman's framing of Strauss could have been for the audience's benefit. Meaning, he knows Hoffman is framing Strauss, and as such it means Hoffman has to go but to play along for now (for all he knew he was being watched so that would explain the facial expressions).

Neat way to bring it full circle, I think.

[killerofdayear]

Does anybody know what happen to rigg because i dont remember him dying

[Monty_Cristo]

i think they should remake the first SAW movie. Tyler Mane should play Jigsaw. and i want to see more of his childhood.

[Alex]

If i didn't think about it too much, i actually kind of liked saw.
You have a semi interesting villian, he picks people who did something jacked up, but he gives them some sort of horrible choice which would let them survive, that was a nice change from Jason kills teenagers because some teenagers let him drown, or zombies eat people because they are zombies.
But i never made it as far as some of you guys. I watched the second movie, and it was just "HAHA! You're screwed, now some dude is going to go apeshit and start killing people."
They lost the hook right there, and i didn't bother with the sequels because i saw where it was going. I'm not surprised they made a fifth one, i worked at blockbuster for three years, theres a gigantic market of people who will rent anything with blood on the cover or anything that is even remotely defined as horror, the market will always be there, and you don't really have to work hard to give them what they want.

[Young Avenger]

Does anybody know what happen to rigg because i dont remember him dying

He was left for dead at the end of Saw IV.

They held a memorial service for Rigg in this movie confirming his death

[Nate Grey]

He was left for dead at the end of Saw IV.

They held a memorial service for Rigg in this movie confirming his death

Yeah, that's kinda sad. I wish he had stayed around for another movie like Donnie Walberg, since he was left for dead, too. Guess he bled to death. :(

Also, kinda wonder about spoilers in this thread, since very few seem interested in actually talking about THIS movie. Maybe there should be a thread for the Saw series. I don't know.

[suttercain]

I watched this yesterday and it wasn't bad. I like the fact that the writers at least are attempting to create a complicated plot... even if they do it as they go along.

My biggest complaint was this (don't read if you have not seen the series):

All the films, with the exception of Saw V had a twist ending.

Part 1. Jigsaw was in there the entire time and who we all thought was the killer is actually being played too.

Part 2. Amanda is in on it.

Part 3. The game is actually for Amanda.

Part 4. Hoffman is in on it.

Part 5. Nada, zip, zilch. Was it suppose to get that Hoffman was framing Straum? When the music started playing I was waiting for a big reveal, but it fell flat.

I think part 5 was so dependent on next year's sequel that it didn't stand on it's own legs like the previous films did. Too many questions left unanswered. Kind of weak. Again, it wasn't bad though and the chick from Dexter looked hot.

[suttercain]

Double Post

[drwho]

The whole thing about it was it seemed like this test in 5 seemed odd because we are to believe that hoffman would have been willing to give up his life by allowing him to stick the guy in the box instead. Or once in the box would the walls have just stopped at hoffmans command. I thought the ending was a decent twist. The moron didnt listen to the whole tape and didnt follow instructions and it cost him his life. I certainly wasnt thinking that being stuck in that box in glass would have been a way to the past the test.

[suttercain]

I thought the ending was a decent twist.

I didn't see that as a twist at all. The first five minutes of the film we know that detective doesn't listen to the tape. I knew he should have gotten in the box.

Personally I thought a better ending would have been having the detective escape Hoffman's plan twice. Have him escape through the ceiling instead of being crushed. The ending was too flat... no pun intended.

[Young Avenger]

Part 3. The game is actually for Amanda.


You got it wrong. She had her own game but the entire thing wasn't for her.

[suttercain]

You got it wrong. She had her own game but the entire thing wasn't for her.

I dunno, I respectfully disagree. I watched it very recently and I could have sworn Jigsaw stated the game was a test for her.... lemmie google.... BRB....

From IMDB:

"Jigsaw: [after Amanda gets shot] Amanda... It's OK. This was your test. Your game. I was testing you. I took you in. I selected you for the honor of carrying on my life's work. But you didn't. You didn't test anyone's will to live. Instead you took away their only chance. Your games were unwinnable, your subjects merely victims. In my desperation I decided to give you one last chance. So I put everything in place. You didn't know that Lynn and Jeff were husband and wife. I had to keep that from you for the purposes of my game. I had to leave out the ruined marriage, the cheating wife, the vengeful husband, the neglected daughter and I let you make your own choices. I wanted you to succeed... You couldn't.
[Amanda begins to collapse and die] "

[drwho]

Is it possible that Amanda did survive after the scene in 5 and if so then she is a loose thing dangling and technically it would have mean she survived jigsaw's test. This could put a kink in hoffman's plans unless she didnt know about him which i cant recall. Maybe some weird thing in the next movie where she tries to get revenge on hoffman by killing his family, friends, and people he knows if he has any,.

[Nate Grey]

Naw, Amanda's dead.

The only thing about part 5's ending is that Strauss would have been screwed either way, but if he had got in the box he would have been ALIVE to possibly, um, un-frame himself, I guess you would call it. lol Its the same downfall as Donnie Wahlburg's character in part 2, he didn't listen to nor trust the one initiating the game so he suffered for it.

So yeah, to me that was a twist. Not as clever as the previous movies, but a decent twist all the same. If he had just gotten into the box, he would have watched the walls close in thinking "Wow, that could have been me". He maybe would have got a few cuts on his back, but who cares compared to being squished to death.

In any case, the point of this movie was to spotlight Hoffman. Who he is, his motivation, and how he was recruited. To that end it did its jobs, its just Hoffman isn't as, well, charismatic as Jigsaw. :smile: I'm curious to know how it's all gonna end.

[ZombieHavoc]

I will keep watching Saws as long as they keep pumping them out. Hopefully, if the decline in theatrical horror continues, they'll start doing these direct-to-video, which is always better anyway.

Saw in space is what I'm gunning for. If they detach the franchise from Tobin Bell, they could go anywhere with the premise, so space would be excellent.

But I'm also a minority when it comes to movie tastes, so...

[meethraa]

The important thing about Saw 5, especially given the film's poster (and I mean the MOST important thing about it) is

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[tjarvis]

I don't know, I think I'm out to be honest.

It seems like this entire series has devolved from the neat idea of a puzzle/mysteries to glorifying serial killers and killing cops. I mean the last two protagnists didn't even do anything wrong except get obsessive about catching a killer, which is hardly a vice.

At this point, I just want someone to put a bullet in Hoffman's head and call it a franchise.

[suttercain]

I don't know, I think I'm out to be honest.

It seems like this entire series has devolved from the neat idea of a puzzle/mysteries to glorifying serial killers and killing cops. I mean the last two protagnists didn't even do anything wrong except get obsessive about catching a killer, which is hardly a vice.

At this point, I just want someone to put a bullet in Hoffman's head and call it a franchise.

I could not agree more. That was my problem with part 3. People, who did nothing wrong, were being killed. Even if they completed the puzzle. They were being killed. The Amanda setting them up to fail explained that though. But they do need to explain that same thing in Part 6.... which will be the last one I see.

[Nate Grey]

I don't know, I think I'm out to be honest.

It seems like this entire series has devolved from the neat idea of a puzzle/mysteries to glorifying serial killers and killing cops. I mean the last two protagnists didn't even do anything wrong except get obsessive about catching a killer, which is hardly a vice.

At this point, I just want someone to put a bullet in Hoffman's head and call it a franchise.

Weird: I'm loving the series (though each one is slightly not as good as the last, IMO), but I agree with everything you said here 100%. Which is why I think the whole thing about killing cops is what's setting Hoffman up to take a final, BIG fall in part six. Remember, when Jigsaw was primarily at the helm, they all deserved it. When he brought in apprentices, that's when things got funky. Amanda punishing people even if they passed the tests, Hoffman acting out vendettas...if Jigsaw figured out what Amanda was doing, chances are he figured out what Hoffman was doing, too, and set up a trap for HIM as well. I really think Julie Benz is his ace in the whole, and that police lieutenant (Strauss's boss).

I could not agree more. That was my problem with part 3. People, who did nothing wrong, were being killed. Even if they completed the puzzle. They were being killed. The Amanda setting them up to fail explained that though. But they do need to explain that same thing in Part 6.... which will be the last one I see.

In part 3, they all did something wrong, only Jeff and his wife's "wrongs" weren't exactly as tangible as the others. Letting your marriage fall apart doesn't seem worthy of games and puzzles of life and death. The other people, letting a hit and run driver get off with a slap on the wrist, maybe. But yeah, Amanda killing them no matter what was wrong and addressed. How he planned to have Jeff enter AT THAT TIME and was sure he'd shoot Amanda, I don't know, but yeah, addressed and taken care of.

[suttercain]

In part 3, they all did something wrong, only Jeff and his wife's "wrongs" weren't exactly as tangible as the others. Letting your marriage fall apart doesn't seem worthy of games and puzzles of life and death. The other people, letting a hit and run driver get off with a slap on the wrist, maybe. But yeah, Amanda killing them no matter what was wrong and addressed. How he planned to have Jeff enter AT THAT TIME and was sure he'd shoot Amanda, I don't know, but yeah, addressed and taken care of.

I hardly think a college student who accidentally hit and killed a young child should not be murdered, let alone murdered in the horrific fashion he was. Was it a hit and run though? I thought in the flash back scenes he didn't run?

[Nate Grey]

I hardly think a college student who accidentally hit and killed a young child should not be murdered, let alone murdered in the horrific fashion he was. Was it a hit and run though? I thought in the flash back scenes he didn't run?

You're right, he did stop and check on the child (I haven't actually rewatched any of the saws except for part 1, so my bad if my memory's a little foggy :biggrin: ). It was daytime, so I don't think it was drunk driving, either. Its just that he still wasn't punished under the full extent of the law thanks to the witness and the judge.

Still, the point wasn't to murder ANY of them but to teach them all a lesson on how to value life. That's been Jigsaw's purpose all along (as sadistic as what he's doing is, he's right in that he hasn't actually murdered anyone). Amanda was the one making all the traps unwinnable. SHE was the one becoming a murderer.