Ant-Man's non-existent rogues gallery

[Monty_Cristo]

do you have anyone to add or a potential story plot to contribute in a completely speculative Irredeemable Ant-Man series sequel?


Characters i've made up:

Magic Mike Chiodo!
note(s): a somewhat clueless doofus (not to be confused w/ a nerd) that went to the same high school as Eric. anyways, he turned his love of bad magic tricks into a "career"; mostly the birthday party circuit. and because that doesn't pay worth crap, he's also become a daring criminal in his spare time. anyways, he'll have a blast trying to wow Ant-Man with his lethal card tricks. unfortunately (for Eric), he's too much of a loser to have a pretty assistant.

M.A.A.M (Mothers Against Ant-Man)
note(s): this group would be a front for some kind of super-villainess outfit whose real purpose Ant-Man would accidentally stumble upon, while doing something detestable. anyways, they'd use their resources to make life miserable for him, expose him as a crappy hero, and eventually try to kill him. lookwise, they are the soccer mom version of the mad scientist trio from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. and all of them would be highly trained in the killing arts.

The April Fool (name not yet decided)
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note: i just liked the name and wanted a clownish villain to fill the void of the Jester. he'd be a sadistic prank puller. no motive beyond playing cruel (often fatal) tricks on celebrities, people from his past, or women who have rejected him. the pics i included just to give an idea of the look. i'm thinking red and black for the color scheme, Mr. Punch facial features, and a jester like costume (tights & floppy hat).


New Characters picking up old mantles:

Porcupine
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note(s): this one will be a weapons-maker and a somewhat paranoid survivalist type. he redesigns Gentry's original Porcupine Armor as his own kind of wearable bunker.

Deathlok (Mitch Carson)
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note(s): if you read the Irredeemable Ant-Man series then you know who Mitch is. he's a serial killer who somehow passed the psych tests and became a high-ranking SHIELD security agent. but Eric ruined his career and burnt half of his face off. cyborg enhancement seems like the next logical step, to me. i see him as Eric's number 1 villain.

Puppet Master (name not yet decided)
note(s): Ms.Marvel let the other one commit suicide. but anyone can use that magic clay. maybe the Puppet Master could be female this time. either way, i think the mask should be even more puppet-like this time. everything about this new one should be plastic and lifeless. it just hit me but i'm seeing potential in Masters having another girl on the side who he trained in the use of the clay (a la the Saw movie series); someone he abused and possibly disfigured while being overly protective of Alicia.

Superia and the Femizon Army
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note(s): Superia and her Femizons just seem like such a natural match for a chauvinist cad like Ant-Man. it will likely have to be a new Superia; perhaps someone who respected the original's cause and is charismatic enough to recruit new Femizons. i think Poundcakes should take sort of a leadership position within the organization, as well.


Revamped Classic Ant-Man villains:

Beasts of Berlin
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note(s): apes who were exposed to a commie intelligence enhancing ray. i see them ditching the communist angle and becoming organized crime figures (maybe doing professional hits for some corrupt politician). Ant-man will encounter them on a spy mission (before going fugitive again from SHIELD).

Madame X
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note(s): gotta love a cross-dressing villainess, right?

Voice
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note(s): tubs needs a make-over bad but i like that he's an old Ant-Man villain and has mind control powers. the X-Men had Mesmero. the Marvel Universe proper had the Purple Man. well Voice is Ant-man's go-to mindcontrol bad guy. i think there's some potential fun in Eric having to make a moral decision on whether to go all-out against mind-controlled innocents. chances are that he's going to do whatever is necessary to save his own butt.

Doc Nemesis
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note(s): he was never quite able to hang w/ Pym. so i could see him taking on Eric just to repair his own damaged ego. plus they both have spy backgrounds. Doc would be a recurring antagonist and have a penchant for using fabricated identities (masks, wigs, accents,etc).

Egghead
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note(s): i don't know how he would come back or if he should come back. but he's a classic Ant-Man villain. and i suspect that Pym would no longer consider him a threat.

Scarlet Beetle
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note(s): if you remember the X-Files episode 'Folie a Deux,' then you know what i want from a Scarlet Beetle upgrade. i'd alter his somewhat goofy appearance to be nastier/more insectoid. and i'd have him be able to control people only after laying eggs in their brains.



Existing Bad Guys I'd just like Ant-man to encounter:

Arcade
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note(s): Arcade's just a great villain. but i think he's custom-made to antagonize a shrunken Wii-playing slacker like Ant-Man. and i like that his approach to villainy is a lot like Ant-Man's approach to heroism. it's all about how much fun you can have. anyways, maybe the economy hits Arcade hard so he starts building miniature versions of his Murder Worlds. or maybe these are prototypes of larger Murder Worlds and he's using Ant-Man as an unwilling guinea pig.

Brothers Grimm
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note(s): they rime their words and throw magically-produced pies. plus they are in the bodies of animated dolls. that's awesome. these guys would have a blast fighting Ant-Man (and vice versa). i can hear them completing each others sentences now.

Agent Bad Touch
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note(s): a malfunctioning SHIELD "sex bot" that flies into a murderous rage after Eric uses it one too many times. i see it as becoming Eric's version of Ultron. a jilted sexy version of Ultron.

White Rabbit
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note(s): she's an all-purpose joke villain. why should Spider-man have all the fun? since she's rich & has boobs, i could imagine Eric falling for her; until the crazyness becomes too much to handle. maybe this is how he comes to be on Arcade's radar.

The Headmen
note(s): i'm not sure that there is still a Headmen group. but i'd love to see Ant-Man running for his life from Shrunken-Bones, a dude w/ a gorilla's body, and Ruby Thursday's bowling ball head.

Psycho-Man
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note(s): it's a right of passage for all size-changers to travel to the microverse & face the Psycho-Man.

Paperdoll
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note(s): one-shot villain to tie into Eric's short stint as a sleazy tabloid photographer.

Squid
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note(s): Eric needs more jobber villains to pad his win record.

Locust
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note(s): his costume needs an update but i could see him becoming a recurring foe; his ability to mutate & control insects makes this the perfect matchup.

Oddball
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note(s): Hawkeye isn't using him. this sadistic juggler is collecting dust when he could be throwing balls at Ant-man.

continued...

[Monty_Cristo]

i ran out of room....

Steel Spider
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note(s): when Ollie finally escapes incarceration, i see he and Eric becoming quick enemies. to faciliate that, i think he should join a new version of the Scourge organization that goes after criminals & the more corrupt of the registered heroes.

Human Torch
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note(s): not a villain but a rival, certainly. Eric's going to be extremely jealous of Johnny's fanclub.



Villains he's Chummy with..

Taskmaster
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note(s): i see him as an older brother figure to Eric. maybe he could teach him some useful dirty tricks for a street-fight.

Black Fox
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note(s): he's the friend that Eric just can't shake. i also see him as Eric's "Aunt May" in a way.

the Hood
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note(s): at some point, Eric would be on the take; paid to look the other way by The Hood (or his right hand man). if there's going to be a hero playing both sides, why not Ant-Man?

Dexter Bennett
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note(s): i see him as potentially being Eric's boss and mentor; Eric would be using his powers to take private pictures of public figures for the DB.

[Wind-Breaker]

What about Rival Heroes?

Shortpack
Deadpool
Cassandra Lang
Wasp
Spider-man

[Mr. Cakes]

I love your suggestion of Squid being an Ant-Man villain. He's incredibly too silly to be a worthwhile Spidey villain, so he'd work. A few villains I can think of that would make for a good rogues gallery:

Powderkeg (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/547313-p1_super.jpg) - exploding sweat, c'mon! He's comedic gold.
Silencer (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6535/363940-163401-silencer_super.jpg) - she only appeared once, so she might be interesting.
Rock Python (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/502728-r4_super.jpg) - he uses trick eggs as his weapon!
Ringer (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/197513-39714-ringer_super.jpg) - he's never been able to be taken seriously.

[Monty_Cristo]

I love your suggestion of Squid being an Ant-Man villain. He's incredibly too silly to be a worthwhile Spidey villain, so he'd work. A few villains I can think of that would make for a good rogues gallery:

Powderkeg (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/547313-p1_super.jpg) - exploding sweat, c'mon! He's comedic gold.
Silencer (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6535/363940-163401-silencer_super.jpg) - she only appeared once, so she might be interesting.
Rock Python (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/502728-r4_super.jpg) - he uses trick eggs as his weapon!
Ringer (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/197513-39714-ringer_super.jpg) - he's never been able to be taken seriously.

nice suggestion, Cakes. i especially like the Ringer suggestion. it would likely have to be a new one though since Davis and his wife are dead. but i like the idea of collapsing (or exploding) rings as weapons. plus it works great for a size-changing character. Powderkeg's a great working level brick to go up against too. i kind of remember Silence from the Big House arc of She-Hulk. could be interesting. eh, with Python, i'd rather he be part of the Serpent Society proper. i can't imagine him as a solo villain. maybe one of Eric's missions would be to go undercover as a new member of the society...the Ingratious Garden Snake! :biggrin:

[Monty_Cristo]

What about Rival Heroes?

Shortpack
Deadpool
Cassandra Lang
Wasp
Spider-man

yeah, you can assume that Cassie is still part of the rogues gallery. i don't know that Wasp will be alive post-invasion. Shortpack's too much for Eric to handle. ;)
Spider-man and Deadpool should be kept to guest appearances. but thanks for the suggestions! :)

[celticguy]

What about Raid. that stuff will kill ya dead.

[Mr. Cakes]

nice suggestion, Cakes. i especially like the Ringer suggestion. it would likely have to be a new one though since Davis and his wife are dead. but i like the idea of collapsing (or exploding) rings as weapons. plus it works great for a size-changing character. Powderkeg's a great working level brick to go up against too. i kind of remember Silence from the Big House arc of She-Hulk. could be interesting. eh, with Python, i'd rather he be part of the Serpent Society proper. i can't imagine him as a solo villain. maybe one of Eric's missions would be to go undercover as a new member of the society...the Ingratious Garden Snake! :biggrin:

Rock Python is too silly to be a formidable member of the Serpent Society, IMO. Then again, he was one of the only members to actually defeat Captain America. And they could've killed him if not for Cobra's orders to immediately leave. Plus, Rock Python has been seen on his own a handful of times. Most of the Serpent Society do their own things as well as work together.

[marvell2100]

What about Raid. that stuff will kill ya dead.

Ok, how about: R.A.I.D.
Repellants for
Antman's
Imminent
Destruction!

[marvell2100]

Of course you would have The Anteater. (Female villain.)

[Monty_Cristo]

What about Raid. that stuff will kill ya dead.

you and originality just missed each other. better luck next time. :)

Rock Python is too silly to be a formidable member of the Serpent Society, IMO. Then again, he was one of the only members to actually defeat Captain America. And they could've killed him if not for Cobra's orders to immediately leave. Plus, Rock Python has been seen on his own a handful of times. Most of the Serpent Society do their own things as well as work together.

they're all kind of goofy. but that makes them great villain fodder. and if a character is too goofy, they can always get an upgrade/make-over i.e. Captain Ultra or Paste Pot Pete.

[Pixie_Solanas]

That chick he watched take a bath would be up there in his "rogues' gallery", right?

[Pixie_Solanas]

you and originality just missed each other. better luck next time. :)




Yeaaaah, that's was painful. Kinda like some of the Bob Saget lines on "America's Funniest Home Videos" - you're embarassed for him.

[Will.S]

While this has nothing to do with his rogues gallery I think Ant-Man would fit right into the Slingers team if they existed today.

Well at least he gets to hang out with Prodigy in the Initiative for now.

[Monty_Cristo]

While this has nothing to do with his rogues gallery I think Ant-Man would fit right into the Slingers team if they existed today.


possibly. i could see him being a bad influence on a less serious member like Ricochet. of course, the Scarlet Spiders would fit better since the running theme of the team is that they are all wearing Spidey's secret disguises.

Well at least he gets to hang out with Prodigy in the Initiative for now.

i think they'd immediately come to hate one another. Ritchie doesn't have much tolerance for others, in general. and Eric has all of the qualities Prodigy would despite. but i'd love to see them team up. they both have the full-face-masked armor look going on. i'm just glad that they found a place for him within the Shadow Initiative. maybe that means he gets to keep appearing in the title, instead of graduating.

[Monty_Cristo]

That chick he watched take a bath would be up there in his "rogues' gallery", right?

Beth? it'd be hilarious if she became a super-villain or ended up having connections to someone who is a supervillain. but i doubt we'll ever see her again. and i don't think she had enough exposure to Eric to develop into one of his rogues. Veronica's another story. i could easily see her in a Yellowjacket (or Wasp) armor beating Eric around; maybe to collect child support.

Of course you would have The Anteater. (Female villain.)

yeah, i thought about it. there's just no way i can picture a cool costume being made out of that. even the Porcupine was kind of a stretch. maybe his version of "the Penguin" could be a mob boss w/ an unusually long nose nicknamed the "Ant-Eater." Mitch is already his version of "Two-Face."

that reminds me that i forgot to include Whirlwind as a possible opponent. personality-wise, the two characters have a lot in common. they are both sleazy stalkers. i could see them fighting and then playing some Wii.

[Big Red Spider]

What about when Slaying Mantis returns and finds out that someone been using his identy. He'll be pissed.

[Monty_Cristo]

What about when Slaying Mantis returns and finds out that someone been using his identy. He'll be pissed.

i wish there were a real Slaying Mantis. that name is awesome! maybe Mitch can be the new SM.

[Big Red Spider]

Eric needs a real goody goody hero in his rouges gallery. Someone that doesn't understand Eric's modern realistic crime fighting techniques. This person is probably a very uptight hero that sees Eric as villian instead of the hero that he's proven himself to be. I can't really think of a marvel hero that would fit the bill.

Who is a pompus ass and that thinks they know better then anybody?

I mean beside Ironman.

[Big Red Spider]

I think one of the biggest most heart wrenching villians has to be the son that he never loved. Age accelerated, powered, and trained by nemisis Slaying Mantis this kids hates eric with a passion. They will will fight to death or until there is an emotional reconciliation.

[Monty_Cristo]

Eric needs a real goody goody hero in his rouges gallery. Someone that doesn't understand Eric's modern realistic crime fighting techniques. This person is probably a very uptight hero that sees Eric as villian instead of the hero that he's proven himself to be. I can't really think of a marvel hero that would fit the bill.
Who is a pompus ass and that thinks they know better then anybody?

I mean beside Ironman.

that's a tough one. if they were to introduce a character like that, i could only see them eventually going over the edge; when karma doesn't catch up w/ Eric. are there any characters they would actually let that happen to? i added Steel Spider to my original list as that type of rogue; someone who would do morally questionable things to uphold classic heroism. but i think Ollie might be considered too dark at this point. i'll have to think about this one. there aren't many "boyscout" heroes left. Gravity comes the closest. besides Eddie Brock, are there any other "born again" heroes out there?

I think one of the biggest most heart wrenching villians has to be the son that he never loved. Age accelerated, powered, and trained by nemisis Slaying Mantis this kids hates eric with a passion. They will will fight to death or until there is an emotional reconciliation.

does that ever work out well? the kid always comes across as whiny. and it just makes Eric seem old. plus, i'm betting that he has a daughter. karma dictates that he have a kid that is a potential victim for deuchebags like himself.

[marvell2100]

Beth? it'd be hilarious if she became a super-villain or ended up having connections to someone who is a supervillain. but i doubt we'll ever see her again. and i don't think she had enough exposure to Eric to develop into one of his rogues. Veronica's another story. i could easily see her in a Yellowjacket (or Wasp) armor beating Eric around; maybe to collect child support.



yeah, i thought about it. there's just no way i can picture a cool costume being made out of that. even the Porcupine was kind of a stretch. maybe his version of "the Penguin" could be a mob boss w/ an unusually long nose nicknamed the "Ant-Eater." Mitch is already his version of "Two-Face."

that reminds me that i forgot to include Whirlwind as a possible opponent. personality-wise, the two characters have a lot in common. they are both sleazy stalkers. i could see them fighting and then playing some Wii.

I wouldn't even have her dress up as a anteater. She wouldn't look anything like an anteater which would infuriate O' Grady to no end.

[Big Red Spider]

that's a tough one. if they were to introduce a character like that, i could only see them eventually going over the edge; when karma doesn't catch up w/ Eric. are there any characters they would actually let that happen to? i added Steel Spider to my original list as that type of rogue; someone who would do morally questionable things to uphold classic heroism. but i think Ollie might be considered too dark at this point. i'll have to think about this one. there aren't many "boyscout" heroes left. Gravity comes the closest. besides Eddie Brock, are there any other "born again" heroes out there?

Oh yeah. They would definetly go over the edge. Way over. This guy tries to set Eric up to show the world Eric's a douche, but Eric always comes out smelling like roses. It will drive him mad, mad, MAD I tell you. Gravity does have the boyscout quality, but this would have to be someone that thinks that by showing Eric faults it will make him look even more holier then though. You mentioned Prodigy earlier maybe that would be a good fit. Prodigy wants people to realize how much better he is then Antman so he sets up scenes to make eric look foolish, but Eric constantly triumph which infuriates Prodigy.





does that ever work out well?
5th century bc Oedipus complex and star wars everyother instance looks cliche
the kid always comes across as whiny.
Daken
and it just makes Eric seem old.
Old? Please, the reason for the sideburns is so they'll quit id'ing him at the bar.
plus, i'm betting that he has a daughter. karma dictates that he have a kid that is a potential victim for deuchebags like himself.

A daughters fine it will give it more of a "Who is Ronin?" feel.

A mystery figuere. Male?Female? Striking out against Eric from behind the scenes. Is it an alternate Eric from a future-past timeline? Is it Chris returned from the grave? Is it Jean Grey? And then finally the big reveal. Ta-Dah! It's Eric's kid. The anticipation alone will sell a million books. I know it sounds a little chessy. That's why I just read them. I leave the non-cheesy inventive writing to the greats like Bendis, Claremont, and Loeb.

[Big Red Spider]

I wouldn't even have her dress up as a anteater. She wouldn't look anything like an anteater which would infuriate O' Grady to no end.

Sexy Anteater? or regular? Cause I'm all for sexy anything. Sexy anteater, sexy sloth, sexy elephant. If you put sexy in front of anything it makes it better.

[marvell2100]

Sexy Anteater? or regular? Cause I'm all for sexy anything. Sexy anteater, sexy sloth, sexy elephant. If you put sexy in front of anything it makes it better.

At least that's what all the commercials say. Basically she borrow's an outfit from the Hellfire Club's female members. And her...ummm...those things would be huge!

[Mr. Cakes]

Ant-Eater should be a big woman. Since she'd be stomping around trying to crush Ant-Man.

[Big Red Spider]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s234/mrgone317/anteat.jpg

[marvell2100]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s234/mrgone317/anteat.jpg

That's what I'm talking about! Now if you could only enhance...errrr...her enhancements, then we'd be cooking with Crisco!

[Monty_Cristo]

you guys are sick. i love it. i don't have the time for a proper response but i will be giving the sexy anteater a lot of thought! :biggrin:

P.S. maybe an old-style gas mask would make her look more like an ant-eater.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

What about Whirlwind, he has a member of Antman's Silver age Rogues gallery.

[Monty_Cristo]

What about Whirlwind, he has a member of Antman's Silver age Rogues gallery.

i mentioned him on the first page. i think they'd become great friends since Eric has very little respect for Pym and would agree that Wasp has a nice rack. i don't think it'd be fair to deprive Pym of an enemy like Whirlwind, anyways. :)

Ant-Eater should be a big woman. Since she'd be stomping around trying to crush Ant-Man.

"big" is relative when dealing w/ an ant-sized hero. ;) but i see where you're coming from. i guess it could be a heavy-set male villain w/ female bodyguards; like some rich guy w/ a big snoz (a la the Penguin).

[Monty_Cristo]

Oh yeah. They would definetly go over the edge. Way over. This guy tries to set Eric up to show the world Eric's a douche, but Eric always comes out smelling like roses. It will drive him mad, mad, MAD I tell you. Gravity does have the boyscout quality, but this would have to be someone that thinks that by showing Eric faults it will make him look even more holier then though. You mentioned Prodigy earlier maybe that would be a good fit. Prodigy wants people to realize how much better he is then Antman so he sets up scenes to make eric look foolish, but Eric constantly triumph which infuriates Prodigy.


Prodigy is at the top of my list; mostly because of his instability and alcoholism. plus he definately has the classic hero look. i just don't know that writers don't already have bigger plans for him. and what about his poor old grandma?



Old? Please, the reason for the sideburns is so they'll quit id'ing him at the bar.


i don't think it'd matter in "Derek"'s case. :D

A daughters fine it will give it more of a "Who is Ronin?" feel.


works for me, then. i think she should have a mantis-armor. actually, now i'm very curious to see a grown-up Erica (or 'Chrissy') O'Grady. i wonder if she'd be as scummy as her dad.

A mystery figuere. Male?Female? Striking out against Eric from behind the scenes. Is it an alternate Eric from a future-past timeline? Is it Chris returned from the grave? Is it Jean Grey? And then finally the big reveal. Ta-Dah! It's Eric's kid. The anticipation alone will sell a million books. I know it sounds a little chessy. That's why I just read them. I leave the non-cheesy inventive writing to the greats like Bendis, Claremont, and Loeb.

i'm all for cheesy; as long as there's some irredeemable-ness in there, as well.

[Joe Franklin]

Titania. Was she mentioned yet?

[Monty_Cristo]

Titania. Was she mentioned yet?

only by you. not a bad choice. but she'd have to be really slumming it to become a part of Eric's rogues gallery. i guess she could use this to get over the beating She-Hulk gave her self-esteem.

[Joe Franklin]

only by you. not a bad choice. but she'd have to be really slumming it to become a part of Eric's rogues gallery. i guess she could use this to get over the beating She-Hulk gave her self-esteem.

She could be Eric's Dr. Doom.:biggrin:

[Monty_Cristo]

She could be Eric's Dr. Doom.:biggrin:

lol! although i'm not sure what that's saying about Eric's I.Q. and what will the Absorbing Man think about Skeeter's new obsession? :redface:

but this is what i've got so far.

Ant-Man Rogues Gallery (analog contingent)

Mitch Carson (Two-Face analog); former law-man whose successful career ended in disfigurement.

Arcade (Joker analog); anarchic genius whose motives are more about amusement than money

Ruby Thursday (Poison Ivy Analog); super-intelligent female w/ a contempt for humanity.

Ant-Eater (possible Penguin Analog); wealthy crime figure w/ a pronounced nose

Mathemaniac (Riddler Analog); an intellectual who turns his advanced brain towards highly calculated criminal heists

Oddball (Deadshot Analog); an individual who turns a physical skill into a criminal lifestyle

[marvell2100]

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[Monty_Cristo]

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my computer's not letting me open them. who are the ladies in the middle pic? i recognize Ferocia (PM/IF villain). and if the women in the top pic are the femizons, they are in my first post. i definately think that Eric should have a run-in with Superia and her new Femizons. maybe they target the most sexist of the heroes (johnny storm is next).

[marvell2100]

my computer's not letting me open them. who are the ladies in the middle pic? i recognize Ferocia (PM/IF villain). and if the women in the top pic are the femizons, they are in my first post. i definately think that Eric should have a run-in with Superia and her new Femizons. maybe they target the most sexist of the heroes (johnny storm is next).

Those are the Cowgirls From Hell. They appeared in THE IMMORTAL IRONFIST: ORSON RANDALL.

[Monty_Cristo]

Those are the Cowgirls From Hell. They appeared in THE IMMORTAL IRONFIST: ORSON RANDALL.

they sound awesome. i don't how well they'd fit into an Ant-Man book. but, at least, they are well drawn. :biggrin:

so, do you think Eric should become a full-time S.H.I.E.L.D agent (as Ant-man) again? that might make it easier to figure out who his villains will be. of course, i'm not sure that SHIELD will even exist during Dark Reign. i wonder if Eric will turn up in that Secret Warriors book.

[marvell2100]

my computer's not letting me open them. who are the ladies in the middle pic? i recognize Ferocia (PM/IF villain). and if the women in the top pic are the femizons, they are in my first post. i definately think that Eric should have a run-in with Superia and her new Femizons. maybe they target the most sexist of the heroes (johnny storm is next).

An Ant-Man, Human Torch, USAgent and Paladin team-up vs Superia and the Femazons? LOL!!!!! Who would survive that? Either side may want to kill Ant-Man.

[Monty_Cristo]

An Ant-Man, Human Torch, USAgent and Paladin team-up vs Superia and the Femazons? LOL!!!!! Who would survive that? Either side may want to kill Ant-Man.

that would end badly. either women's rights would be set back several millenia or...Johnny, Eric, the Agent, and Paladin would successfully be transformed into women. i'm almost certain that U.S. Agent would shoot himself before the day was out. or maybe the new Femizons would just subject them to hours of sensitivity training. either way, U.S. Agent is going to snap. :biggrin:

[marvell2100]

they sound awesome. i don't how well they'd fit into an Ant-Man book. but, at least, they are well drawn. :biggrin:

so, do you think Eric should become a full-time S.H.I.E.L.D agent (as Ant-man) again? that might make it easier to figure out who his villains will be. of course, i'm not sure that SHIELD will even exist during Dark Reign. i wonder if Eric will turn up in that Secret Warriors book.

Yes keep him a SHIELD agent. That way he can get background information and surveillance on the women he's going to stalk.

[Monty_Cristo]

Yes keep him a SHIELD agent. That way he can get background information and surveillance on the women he's going to stalk.

but that's abuse of power. i love it. of course he might be able to do that already with his fancy Ant-Man armor. i still want his helmet to come with internet access and some fancy ipod capabilities.

on another note...

if he did have a book i'd want a running theme to be that Eric ruins a number of peoples lives while also committing heroic acts. and these people would eventually turn up as super (or not so super) villains later on in the book. i think it should all be linked to some kind of curse. like maybe early on in the series, Eric makes a deal with someone who turns out to be Mephisto or Loki. maybe he trades his soul for the newest guitar hero or a danger sense. anyways, Eric actually becomes a successful hero. but all of his heroic acts would be tainted. everyone he saves will have an even greater misfortune befall them. or innocent civilians will have their lives ruined during the super-fights. and Eric would be completely oblivious of this until these people start coming for revenge.

[Mr. Cakes]

they're all kind of goofy. but that makes them great villain fodder. and if a character is too goofy, they can always get an upgrade/make-over i.e. Captain Ultra or Paste Pot Pete.

Have you read any of Gruenwald's Cap run?

He constantly went out of his way to plug how they're the most well-trained professional mercenary group out there. Goofy is the last thing they are. They're crafty, intelligent, and utilize teamwork just as well as any superhero group.

[preppistonpav]

[QUOTE=Monty_Cristo;7755774]Prodigy is at the top of my list; mostly because of his instability and alcoholism. plus he definately has the classic hero look. i just don't know that writers don't already have bigger plans for him. and what about his poor old grandma?


Dude. Prodigy is not a drunk. Let's just clear that up right here and right now. He's way too straight-laced, dagnabbit! Instability, yeah, sure...rage at those who ruin his heroing, oh my yes. But he is not Tony Stark Jr.

*Whew* Okay.

Anyway, I'd love to see Eric go up against 8-Ball, a slightly-recurring villain from the old Sleepwalker series. He wasn't evil...just kind of a jerk of a guy who didn't care what happened to anyone as long as it helped him. Sounds familiar I'd say. (Plus, his helmet was a giant eight-ball. Ridiculous and awesome.)

-Pav, who actually wouldn't mind seeing Eric meet up with Dusk either, considering he'd probably find her both super-hot and, paradoxically, super-creepy...

[Monty_Cristo]

Dude. Prodigy is not a drunk. Let's just clear that up right here and right now. He's way too straight-laced, dagnabbit! Instability, yeah, sure...rage at those who ruin his heroing, oh my yes. But he is not Tony Stark Jr.

*Whew* Okay.

you're only judging him by the Slingers series. i read that series too. Ritch was a jerk. he was overly serious about everything. i'd say he was obsessive about being a superhero and being seen as a superhero. he always wanted to be charge because he figured that he knew best. who does that sound like to you?

and who knows what kind of inner demons Ritchie had? all we see is that he has no life outside of wrestling (where he takes his aggression out on his opponents) and caring for an older woman (potentially stressful). now let's say that superheroism became the main outlet for his aggression. it's how he lets off steam. it gives his life new meaning. the Registration Act interfered w/ that. and Ritchie's reaction is to get drunk. he was the one to suggest that they all go out drinking in the Initiative one-shot. this was after Pym told him that he might have a drinking problem. you can be straight-laced and an alcoholic.

Anyway, I'd love to see Eric go up against 8-Ball, a slightly-recurring villain from the old Sleepwalker series. He wasn't evil...just kind of a jerk of a guy who didn't care what happened to anyone as long as it helped him. Sounds familiar I'd say. (Plus, his helmet was a giant eight-ball. Ridiculous and awesome.)

i know him. he's an all-purpose jobber. i would love to see him and Ant-man face off; maybe after Eric tries to run out on a debt (after being hustled).

-Pav, who actually wouldn't mind seeing Eric meet up with Dusk either, considering he'd probably find her both super-hot and, paradoxically, super-creepy...

she might have too many piercings for him.

[da gooch]

Dexter Bennett
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/287314-101659-dexter-bennet_large.jpg
note(s): i see him as potentially being Eric's boss and mentor; Eric would be using his powers to take private pictures of public figures for the DB.[/QUOTE]

We know O'Grady would take nude pictures of our favorite celebrities. Probaly would black male them too.

[Monty_Cristo]

Dexter Bennett
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/287314-101659-dexter-bennet_large.jpg
note(s): i see him as potentially being Eric's boss and mentor; Eric would be using his powers to take private pictures of public figures for the DB.

We know O'Grady would take nude pictures of our favorite celebrities. Probaly would black male them too.

i think Dex would be the perfect role model for Eric. he's weasely and smart enough to not be recognized as weasely. this would be a great parallel to Peter Parker's early career at the Daily Bugle (only the reverse). and Eric could make the DB a lot of money with his sleazy photography.

[Big Red Spider]

We know O'Grady would take nude pictures of our favorite celebrities. Probaly would black male them too.

I know there's a joke here somewhere....

Nah, I'm not touching that one.

[Big Red Spider]

Eric should definetly keep his rivalry with Stature. She hates him and I enjoy watching him fight back. Maybe next time he could get his butt kicked by a giant little girl.

Cassie gets emotional and Eric is forced to fight back. I guess that really wouldn't fit into a rouge gallery, but he should definetly watch out if he see's her coming his way.

[Joe Franklin]

This guy would work as an Ant Man villain.

http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/rapsheetmain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=389

[Monty_Cristo]

I know there's a joke here somewhere....

Nah, I'm not touching that one.

good plan. Da Gooch might black male you. :biggrin:

Eric should definetly keep his rivalry with Stature. She hates him and I enjoy watching him fight back. Maybe next time he could get his butt kicked by a giant little girl.

Cassie gets emotional and Eric is forced to fight back. I guess that really wouldn't fit into a rouge gallery, but he should definetly watch if he see's her coming.

Veronica said that he needed a little girl villain. her words were prophetic. no wonder they call her the Visioneer. i do see the two of them being lifelong enemies. i think that's kind of cool; makes them like Spider-man and the Human Torch (but much less friendly). Eric is "Newman" to Cassie's "Jerry Seinfeld."

[Monty_Cristo]

This guy would work as an Ant Man villain.

http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/rapsheetmain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=389

i can't open it. who is it? :smile:

[Joe Franklin]

i can't open it. who is it? :smile:

The Cactus.

[Monty_Cristo]

The Cactus.

ahhh! i hope they don't square off in a drinking contest. i bet that cactus can hold a lot of liquid.

[Big Red Spider]

Mitch is a great antagonist. He hates Eric; he's been deformed, humiliated, framed, and beaten. But the enemy that really strikes fear into O'Grady's heart Naked Santa.

[preppistonpav]

[QUOTE=Monty_Cristo;7769278]you're only judging him by the Slingers series. i read that series too. Ritch was a jerk. he was overly serious about everything. i'd say he was obsessive about being a superhero and being seen as a superhero. he always wanted to be charge because he figured that he knew best. who does that sound like to you? and who knows what kind of inner demons Ritchie had? all we see is that he has no life outside of wrestling (where he takes his aggression out on his opponents) and caring for an older woman (potentially stressful). now let's say that superheroism became the main outlet for his aggression. it's how he lets off steam. it gives his life new meaning. the Registration Act interfered w/ that. and Ritchie's reaction is to get drunk. he was the one to suggest that they all go out drinking in the Initiative one-shot. this was after Pym told him that he might have a drinking problem. you can be straight-laced and an alcoholic.


I don't doubt that at all. And yeah, I'm basing this mostly on Slingers, but that's because he's seen next-to-no new characterization as of yet (although hopefully more will be coming soon!) My thing is, I'm twenty-four, probably about the same age as Ritchie. And I know that my junior year when both my best friend and I got dumped by girls we were in love with, we did a whole lot of drinking for awhile. Doesn't mean we're alcoholics...I'm not a big fan of drinking myself, in general. But it means sometimes people need to drown their sorrows, and Ritchie was definitely in a similar situation.

But really, whether Ritchie is an alky or not will be left up to whoever writes him next - most likely Gage. It could still go either way. But I will be honest: I'd love to see Ritchie honest and truly not an alcoholic, but everybody thinking he really is. It'd be kinda funny to see his reactions - especially from a certain Mr. Gallo.

[Monty_Cristo]

Mitch is a great antagonist. He hates Eric; he's been deformed, humiliated, framed, and beaten. But the enemy that really strikes fear into O'Grady's heart Naked Santa.

when will Naked Santa rear his ugly naked head anyways? speaking of that, i wonder if we'll ever meet Eric's parents. they moved away from his hometown for some unexplained reason. Eric had to stay w/ Chris' parents when he went back home. and, yeah, Mitch is a great enemy because he started out as Eric's mentor (in a way). Mitch was "the Fonz" to Eric's "Ritchie Cunningham."

[Monty_Cristo]

I don't doubt that at all. And yeah, I'm basing this mostly on Slingers, but that's because he's seen next-to-no new characterization as of yet (although hopefully more will be coming soon!) My thing is, I'm twenty-four, probably about the same age as Ritchie. And I know that my junior year when both my best friend and I got dumped by girls we were in love with, we did a whole lot of drinking for awhile. Doesn't mean we're alcoholics...I'm not a big fan of drinking myself, in general. But it means sometimes people need to drown their sorrows, and Ritchie was definitely in a similar situation.

i know. but in a comic book universe, the drinking isn't normally brought up for no reason at all.

But really, whether Ritchie is an alky or not will be left up to whoever writes him next - most likely Gage. It could still go either way. But I will be honest: I'd love to see Ritchie honest and truly not an alcoholic, but everybody thinking he really is. It'd be kinda funny to see his reactions - especially from a certain Mr. Gallo.

i think it makes him more interesting, actually. i like heroes to have a fatal flaw. Prodigy (like Stark & Carol Danvers) was portrayed as a control freak w/ very little patience when it came to the flaws of those around him, in the Slingers series. i think the drinking & the fact that he doesn't even realize that it's a crutch makes him more sympathetic/real.

[preppistonpav]

i think it makes him more interesting, actually. i like heroes to have a fatal flaw. Prodigy (like Stark & Carol Danvers) was portrayed as a control freak w/ very little patience when it came to the flaws of those around him, in the Slingers series. i think the drinking & the fact that he doesn't even realize that it's a crutch makes him more sympathetic/real.

Interesting? Yeah, probably, even though it's been done. Awesome? Not in Ritchie's case, in my opinion. I think he'd hate people who rely on anything like that as a crutch - which to me is interesting because that's how he is with heroing. Now that is a situation that I'd find appealing.

But hey Monty, agree to disagree in regards to this, and agree to agree that Shortpack is killer and belongs in X-Factor!

-Pav

[Monty_Cristo]

Interesting? Yeah, probably, even though it's been done. Awesome? Not in Ritchie's case, in my opinion. I think he'd hate people who rely on anything like that as a crutch - which to me is interesting because that's how he is with heroing. Now that is a situation that I'd find appealing.

well how about the middle-ground? Ritchie gets help for his alcoholism and then feels perfectly within his rights to hate people who would rely on a crutch like that? that means him having a strong enough will to not drink anymore. don't get me wrong. Prodigy's one of my favorite characters. he's in my top 10. i just don't mind the addiction angle that was hinted at in Avengers the Initiative. i just see Ritchie who wants to be a hero so badly that he's put undue stress on himself.

But hey Monty, agree to disagree in regards to this, and agree to agree that Shortpack is killer and belongs in X-Factor!

-Pav

but it will never happen.

[marvell2100]

The All-New, All-Different O'Grady Kill Krew!!!! 45050

This is the team to take Down the Astonishing One, THE BAND OF THE BLAND

[Monty_Cristo]

The All-New, All-Different O'Grady Kill Krew!!!! 45050


they look a little too lame; even for Ant-Man. :')

[marvell2100]

they look a little too lame; even for Ant-Man. :')

Hence the name "Band of the Bland". They just need O'Grady to push them over the edge like he would normally do.

[Monty_Cristo]

Hence the name "Band of the Bland". They just need O'Grady to push them over the edge like he would normally do.

i'm still not sold. i'd be ok with it if the story ended in the death(s) of the entire Band, though.

[marvell2100]

i'm still not sold. i'd be ok with it if the story ended in the death(s) of the entire Band, though.


Ok, Next!!! 45051

45052

You can't beat this combo!

[Big Red Spider]

when will Naked Santa rear his ugly naked head anyways? speaking of that, i wonder if we'll ever meet Eric's parents. they moved away from his hometown for some unexplained reason. Eric had to stay w/ Chris' parents when he went back home. and, yeah, Mitch is a great enemy because he started out as Eric's mentor (in a way). Mitch was "the Fonz" to Eric's "Ritchie Cunningham."

Chris' memory might haunt Eric.(If he gave a damn) Some villian could use that to mess with Eric's head. Kind of a "Hush"ed story line.

[Monty_Cristo]

Chris' memory might haunt Eric.(If he gave a damn) Some villian could use that to mess with Eric's head. Kind of a "Hush"ed story line.

sounds like something the new Mastermind, might do (or Trauma). maybe Black Talon could resurrect a zombie Chris to (initially) menace Eric. but later, Zombie-Chris would just start hanging around Eric's apartment, playing his Wii, and guilt-tripping him about knocking up Veronica. i think it'd be an interesting twist on supporting cast. before the Irredeemable Ant-man series debuted, i actually speculated that they were going to make Chris into Eric's ghost conscience. too bad.

[Monty_Cristo]

Ok, Next!!! 45051

45052

You can't beat this combo!

actually i think i'm in good enough shape to beat both of them. :biggrin:

Asbestos Dude might make a cool addition to Ant-Man's rogues gallery. but i don't think that other guy offers much. he's got an ugly costume, for starters. if Eric's going to fight someone nimble, i'd rather it be Slott's new character Screwball. she's shexy. we're not trying to ruin the character's reputation, here.

[Big Red Spider]

Ant-Man vs. Ant man
Eric of course uses his ant control powers to get him beer out of the fridge and clean his apartment. This one ant is some sort of mutant telepath genius ant and not effected by Eric's powers. This ant is able to break into the Pym particle stored in Eric's suit and become a Giant ant. Giant ant goes on a rampage wanting vengence agaist Eric for the mistreatment of his brothers.

or

Ant-Man vs. Aunt Man
Eric's long lost transexual uncle appears to reek havok of Eric's life.

[marvell2100]

actually i think i'm in good enough shape to beat both of them. :biggrin:

Asbestos Dude might make a cool addition to Ant-Man's rogues gallery. but i don't think that other guy offers much. he's got an ugly costume, for starters. if Eric's going to fight someone nimble, i'd rather it be Slott's new character Screwball. she's shexy. we're not trying to ruin the character's reputation, here.

You gotta look at the big picture here. Ant-Man defeats each one so decisively that they make a deal with some lower level demon(I mean way lower level, sub-basement like) to gain more powers but it goes tragically, (in a hilarious way) wrong. Each man is turned into a beautiful women with an intense hatred for Ant-Man but an equally intense attraction to O'Grady.

[Monty_Cristo]

Ant-Man vs. Ant man
Eric of course uses his ant control powers to get him beer out of the fridge and clean his apartment. This one ant is some sort of mutant telepath genius ant and not effected by Eric's powers. This ant is able to break into the Pym particle stored in Eric's suit and become a Giant ant. Giant ant goes on a rampage wanting vengence agaist Eric for the mistreatment of his brothers.

or

Ant-Man vs. Aunt Man
Eric's long lost transexual uncle appears to reek havok of Eric's life.

sounds cool. but isn't this what Scarlet Beetle is for? i'm all for Eric having disagreements with the ants though. they should think he's a jerk, too.