Scarier film villains: Vampires or Werewolves?

[Monty_Cristo]

and, if you feel like it, why'd you vote the way you did? for me, i can just call to mind more than a few memorable movie villains who were werewolves. i just think they tend to be creepier because of the tranformation aspect; becoming a sometimes mindless beast who doesn't discriminate between victims.

[nervmeister]

Overall, I'd say werewolves. Savage and brutal murders by them are among the most memorable in cinema.

[mcgaffer]

A vampire you can at least try and distract with conversation. A werewolf don't care what sounds you make as long as your tasty.

[Monty_Cristo]

A vampire you can at least try and distract with conversation. A werewolf don't care what sounds you make as long as your tasty.

me: soooo..what's with airplane food?

werewolf: *quickly rips my throat out*

[Jared]

There's something fundamentally wrong about vampires that makes them scarier. The whole being dead, yet still living, and the thirst for blood just makes them creepier. Also to consider is that many vampires have unnatural powers of mental domination . Think about what happens to Mina and Lucy in most any version of Dracula. It preys on our deepest fears about our relationships, that your partner could become enthralled with somebody else.

Fundamentally, the threat a werewolf poses to a human is no different from that that presented by any deadly wild animal.

However, werewolves do get some points for having weaknesses that are far less practical to exploit. In a pinch, you can probably find or fashion wooden stakes and crosses. Plus there's always the safety of daylight. But where the hell are you going to get a silver bullet?

[arp2008]

Vampires!!!!!!!

[Monty_Cristo]

There's something fundamentally wrong about vampires that makes them scarier. The whole being dead, yet still living, and the thirst for blood just makes them creepier. Also to consider is that many vampires have unnatural powers of mental domination . Think about what happens to Mina and Lucy in most any version of Dracula. It preys on our deepest fears about our relationships, that your partner could become enthralled with somebody else.

Mina and Lucy didn't suffer much. they were seduced and drained of their blood. that's like a step above drowning in the peaceful death department. back to the subject of deepest relationship fears, a werewolf is like the normally loving girlfriend who cuts your balls off because it's her time of the month.

Fundamentally, the threat a werewolf poses to a human is no different from that that presented by any deadly wild animal.

that's exactly what makes it scary to me. vampires are motivated by extending their own lives. i perfectly understand vanity as a motivation. and i don't find emotionally-draining relationships to be rare. werewolves are wild animals with human cunning. pit bulls scare me. a pitbull capable of stalking me and working a door knob scares me even more.

[Shellhead]

Vampires are scary, but also sometimes sexy. And there is the exciting potential for a sort of immortality. Werewolves are scarier, because they are so savage and unstoppable. By the way, Dog Soldiers was a great werewolf movie that many people have overlooked. Blood & Chocolate was a cool werewolf movie, but in some ways seemed almost like a vampire movie. However, I generally prefer vampire movies because they have more interesting plots.

[Monty_Cristo]

Vampires are scary, but also sometimes sexy. And there is the exciting potential for a sort of immortality. Werewolves are scarier, because they are so savage and unstoppable. By the way, Dog Soldiers was a great werewolf movie that many people have overlooked. Blood & Chocolate was a cool werewolf movie, but in some ways seemed almost like a vampire movie. However, I generally prefer vampire movies because they have more interesting plots.

there have been decent vampire movies. but what i'm used to are poor displays of androgynous males posing while being emo because they have to suck blood. for the werewolf version of that, i point you to Skinwalkers.

[Arvandor]

However, werewolves do get some points for having weaknesses that are far less practical to exploit. In a pinch, you can probably find or fashion wooden stakes and and crosses. Plus there's always the safety of daylight. But where the hell are you going to get a silver bullet?

That has ALWAYS bothered me about werewolf stories. In practically every werewolf film I've ever seen, or story I've ever read, the werewolves are either vulnerable to normal weapons, or the hero has convenent access to an endless supply of silver bullets.

[Alex]

Werewolves.
Vampires talk, and are usualy either emo whiners or gothy pansies.
Werewolves just eat you. They don't talk, they don't mope, they use super strength and claws to rip you apart and eat you.
Plus, less weaknesses. Assuming every vampire myth is true, you can show them a cross, you can eat some garlic, you can get them with a wooden stake. If you find where they live in the day you can kill them really easily.
You have to have a gun on you with silver bullets to kill the wolf.
Nasty things!

[Paradox]

Werewolves. Vamps are all about sex, these days.

[mcgaffer]

Werewolfs do have aversions similar to Vampires hatred for garlic. Wolfsbane, rye, mistletoe and mountain ash can ward off a Werewolf. I have heard that in some places in Germany it was a belief that if you called a werewolf by it's christian name three times it would confuse it enough to allow you to escape. Of course this only works if you know it's name.

It was a widely held belief in Argentina that the seventh child, if a boy, would be a werewolf. This led to children being abandoned and even killed. This was stopped early in the 1900's when the President of Argentina was declared the Godfather of all male seventh childs. They received a gold medal at baptism and a free scholarship until the age of 21.

Vampires are also supposed to be vulnerable to branches of Wild Rose and Hawthorn. They are also supposed to be compulsive counters, if you throw a handful of sesame seeds in the air the vampire has to stop and pick them all up, counting them as he does.

[marshal99]

Werewolves only appear during full moon.

Vampires can appear every night.

Vampires can seduce you , werewolves just make mincemeat out of you.

[Rabid Trekkie]

I think vampires are more scary, the whole demon animating a corpse and possibly seducing others is just messed up. Plus the vampire could be wearing a familiar face. Like in that episode of Angel where Gunn's sister gets vamped.

Though on a similar note, the idea in The Wolfman that "Even a man who is pure in heart, and says his prayers at night" can become a ravaging beast because the person survived a werewolf attack is also really scary.

Anyone know of some good werewolf movies? Outside of Lon Chaney Jr.'s Wolf Man and Underworld, I've been strangely werewolf deprived.

[marshal99]

Anyone know of some good werewolf movies? Outside of Lon Chaney Jr.'s Wolf Man and Underworld, I've been strangely werewolf deprived.

You have never watched an american werewolf in london ? The Howling I ?

An american werewolf in london is still fantastic and scary even after all these years , that wolf howl was downright chilling.

An American werewolf in london
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYkCx0G3RY

The howling trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A31Nzr6ih9U

The company of wolves (A play on Little red riding hood with a difference)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyjNo8BaXZc

Silver Bullet (It's Stephen King , not fantastic but still watchable)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hSkvsPs13I

Ginger Snaps trailer (teenage puberty disguised as a werewolf flick ? :wink: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN86SzY5RCk

Cursed trailer (i know a lot of people hated this but i thought it was so-so , still watchable)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxebaEloFU

Dog Soldiers (SAS vs werewolves , 'enuff said)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0Ej5N-hFQ

Big bad wolf trailer (low budget B-movie , funny talking one liner werewolf though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LQrme4IKFQ

Never cry werewolf trailer (think fright night with werewolf instead of vampire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omXpTuB9_DA

[Monty_Cristo]

You have never watched an american werewolf in london ? The Howling I ?

An american werewolf in london is still fantastic and scary even after all these years , that wolf howl was downright chilling.

An American werewolf in london
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYYkCx0G3RY

The howling trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A31Nzr6ih9U

The company of wolves (A play on Little red riding hood with a difference)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDqNOkd8vIY

Silver Bullet (It's Stephen King , not fantastic but still watchable)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hSkvsPs13I

Ginger Snaps trailer (teenage puberty disguised as a werewolf flick ? :wink: )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN86SzY5RCk

Cursed trailer (i know a lot of people hated this but i thought it was so-so , still watchable)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxebaEloFU

Dog Soldiers (SAS vs werewolves , 'enuff said)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0Ej5N-hFQ

Big bad wolf trailer (low budget B-movie , funny talking one liner werewolf though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LQrme4IKFQ

Never cry werewolf trailer (think fright night with werewolf instead of vampire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omXpTuB9_DA


i'd recommend all of those except Never Cry Werewolf. it had some good points but ultimately disappointed me.

That has ALWAYS bothered me about werewolf stories. In practically every werewolf film I've ever seen, or story I've ever read, the werewolves are either vulnerable to normal weapons, or the hero has convenent access to an endless supply of silver bullets.

like what movie, in particular, are you referencing? i can think of a lot of werewolf movies where they have to melt down a silver object (like a necklace) and basically only have one shot to kill the werewolf.

[Monty_Cristo]

Werewolves only appear during full moon.

that's not true. the transformation isn't as controllable when the moon is full. there are other ways to activate the transformation (usually a magic amulet or talisman).

Vampires can appear every night.

they are vulnerable to UV light. they make those in lamp form now. :)

Vampires can seduce you , werewolves just make mincemeat out of you.

i've got no problem with being seduced.

[Jared]

Mina and Lucy didn't suffer much. they were seduced and drained of their blood. that's like a step above drowning in the peaceful death department.


In some stories, the vampire basically turns the women he desires into his personal whores.

Silver Bullet is kind of the Werewolf version of The Lost Boys, I think. It's not as good, but when I saw that movie a couple years ago I was really surprised. I'd never even heard of it until I happened to catch it on TV.

Personally I really hate in movies where werewolves can be killed by anything. In those cases, it really is more of a wild animal than a supernatural monster. American Werewolf in London is a good flick but I hate the ending. Anonymous cops corner the beast in an alley and shoot it dead. Lame.

Conversely, I hate how in 'Underworld' you can empty a clip of silver bullets into them, even shoot them square in the head, and they keep coming. That's not a weakness!

[Monty_Cristo]

In some stories, the vampire basically turns the women he desires into his personal whores.

better than being the guys who get turned into bug-eating lackeys.

Silver Bullet is kind of the Werewolf version of The Lost Boys, I think. It's not as good, but when I saw that movie a couple years ago I was really surprised. I'd never even heard of it until I happened to catch it on TV.

i love Silver Bullet. it is corny as hell. but i think the performance of the "Reverend" and Gary Busey were quite memorable/entertaining. some of the smaller details totally went over my head when i was a little kid though. like i had no idea why the werewolf targeted the single-mother-to-be, originally. and i didn't quite get that Uncle Red was an alcoholic f***-up either. i just thought he was the fun uncle and the mother was uptight. i still love this movie; more than Lost Boys, actually. Silver Bullet could happen in pretty much any small town. Lost Boys has that 80's feel to it ex. the hairstyles & music. not to mention that it takes place in California. i can't fully relate to it being a midwesterner.

Personally I really hate in movies where werewolves can be killed by anything. In those cases, it really is more of a wild animal than a supernatural monster. American Werewolf in London is a good flick but I hate the ending. Anonymous cops corner the beast in an alley and shoot it dead. Lame.

in that they were limited by the budget. the werewolf had to be in a dark alley because it's range of movement was limited. anyways, the earlier character moments kind of made up for it. i really felt bad for the main character. even his best friend is urging him to commit suicide. that's rough.

Conversely, I hate how in 'Underworld' you can empty a clip of silver bullets into them, even shoot them square in the head, and they keep coming. That's not a weakness!

Underworld makes me want to vomit.

[Jared]

in that they were limited by the budget. the werewolf had to be in a dark alley because it's range of movement was limited. anyways, the earlier character moments kind of made up for it.

It's not the alley that bugs me, it's that not one of the people killing him had even been in the movie previously.



i really felt bad for the main character. even his best friend is urging him to commit suicide. that's rough.

I'd like to think that my best friend would implore me to chain myself to a radiator first.



Underworld makes me want to vomit.

Dude...Kate Beckinsale in tight leather. I'm just sayin'.

[Monty_Cristo]

It's not the alley that bugs me, it's that not one of the people killing him had even been in the movie previously.





I'd like to think that my best friend would implore me to chain myself to a radiator first. i'm more for the exotic look.


.

Dude...Kate Beckinsale in tight leather. I'm just sayin'.

she didn't save Van Helsing either. actually, i think i might kick her out of bet for either of those movies.

[West Mantooth]

Werewolves can only come on full moons.

Vampires can attack on any night.

[Damiean Dark]

Vampires are the most dangerous of the undead because they retain all thier human intelligence after transformation. They are also the hardest to kill if you actuallly manage to find a resting place of a sleeping vampire (they know this is thier most vulnerable place so it isnt as easy as TV makes out) you have to drive the standard steak through the heart cut of the head and burn everything. Some mythologys take it even further where after all that, or after complete disintigration from exposure to sunlight, a small bat will emerge from the ashes to recuperate for 30 days to return fully powered to exact its revenge so its vital a vampire killer catch and kill this bat after burning/disintigration.:evilangry:

[Damiean Dark]

I know its more a comedy angled take but Fright Night is a pretty great vampire movie. Mcdowel as Mr Vincent is the star of the show for me his face as he realises that the guy is a vampire by looking through a prop hand mirror from one of his movies is movie gold. He cant wait to get out of there.:biggrin:

Its dying for a remake with Ian Mckellen as Mr Vincent.

[Nate Grey]

that's not true. the transformation isn't as controllable when the moon is full. there are other ways to activate the transformation (usually a magic amulet or talisman).

Or special serum in a syringe like in An American Werewolf in Paris.

I'm going with werewolves, mostly cause I'm vampire-ed out. I'm about sick of them now as they've been in media in one form or the other constantly, at least within the last 10-20 years. Werewolves, maybe half as much. I think it has to do with vampires being "sexy" whereas there's nothing sexy about a humanoid dog.

I also think overall werewolves are more dangerous. Vampires seem to be roughly the same strength as...Spider-Man. Same speed, too. That's dangerous to a regular human, but its possible to evade it long enough to fashion a wooden stake or cross. Werewolves seem to be roughly the same strength as...well, Superman, but a few tiers under him. Which is still pretty damn strong and far above Spider-Man. Evasion will only work for so long until you either tire yourself or until you get lucky enough to find a gun and a silver bullet. And even though if you can even shoot them given the speed.

[marshal99]

The werewolves depends on which type , the lon chaney wolfman type is easy - just kick him in the nads (courtesy of the monster squad). :wink:

http://homepage.mac.com/hellbind/.Public/Monster%20Squad.jpg

On the other hand , if it's the american werewolf in london type which is essential a huge wild wolfdog thing , that one you run like hell or you'll be ripped into kibbles and bits. Getting killed like that is no fun. Blood and gore everywhere - at least vampires are better kept , will just leave a empty corpse drained of blood.

When i was young , the original Salem's Lot scared the heck out of me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC5HZzjjI9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V50o1CZbO5w

[Mike Pothier]

I always found werewolves more frightening then vampires. Vampires are basically a diseased human, but they are still human. You can talk to them and reason with them. You can bargain with a vampire.

You can't do any of that with werewolf. You're only choices are fight or run.

[Jared]

Whoa, where the hell are all these Superman-strong werewolves at?
Though it does bring to mind an episode of the Superboy syndicated series with a werewolf.

I think it has to do with vampires being "sexy" whereas there's nothing sexy about a humanoid dog.

Tell that to the people with Furry fetishes.


Anyway if it wasn't mentioned before, Full Eclipse is another werewolf movie that might be worth checking out. It's not so great as a werewolf movie in and of itself, but it's awesome as the only werewolf-vigilante-super cop movie. Plus is has a very hot Patsy Kensit.

[Monty_Cristo]

The werewolves depends on which type , the lon chaney wolfman type is easy - just kick him in the nads (courtesy of the monster squad). :wink:

http://homepage.mac.com/hellbind/.Public/Monster%20Squad.jpg

On the other hand , if it's the american werewolf in london type which is essential a huge wild wolfdog thing , that one you run like hell or you'll be ripped into kibbles and bits. Getting killed like that is no fun. Blood and gore everywhere - at least vampires are better kept , will just leave a empty corpse drained of blood.

When i was young , the original Salem's Lot scared the heck out of me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC5HZzjjI9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V50o1CZbO5w

Monster Squad Wolfman was able to regenerate from being blown apart. that's nothing to sneeze at!

[Monty_Cristo]

Werewolves can only come on full moons.

depends on the werewolf. native american "skinwalkers" change whenever they please. and some of the werewolves who can only change during a full moon are murderous bastiches in human form.

Vampires can attack on any night.

because they are vulnerable and resting during the day.

[Black Atom]

Not sure where this "bargaining with a vampire" stuff comes from. When the hunger takes them, I don't think they're any easier to turn away than werewolves. I think it's scarier that they're able to be more calculating than werewolves, yet no less animalistic in their hunger for humans.

[Monty_Cristo]

Not sure where this "bargaining with a vampire" stuff comes from. When the hunger takes them, I don't think they're any easier to turn away than werewolves. I think it's scarier that they're able to be more calculating than werewolves, yet no less animalistic in their hunger for humans.

again, it depends on the werewolf. the classic werewolf is an animal with human cunning. they can be just as smart as a human. take into consideration the werewolf from the movie "Silver Bullet." it had the entire town fooled and was quite choosy about its targets. or consider the craftiness of the werewolves in the movie Dog Soldiers. they outwitted and trapped a mercenary unit. plus, you must also take into account their heightened senses and natural hunting instincts.

[Black Atom]

again, it depends on the werewolf. the classic werewolf is an animal with human cunning. they can be just as smart as a human. take into consideration the werewolf from the movie "Silver Bullet." it had the entire town fooled and was quite choosy about its targets. or consider the craftiness of the werewolves in the movie Dog Soldiers. they outwitted and trapped a mercenary unit. plus, you must also take into account their heightened senses and natural hunting instincts.

True, but that's the exception more often than the rule. Vampires are often depicted as being cunning and skulking among humanity, even accumulating vast power (see Salem's Lot).

[ultramandingo]

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3065/114081011881df59177el4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Damiean Dark]

Best/worst movie/TV representation of a vampire/Werewolf? i would vote Gary Oldman in Dracula and american werewolf in London as my favourite.

worst vampire has to be the one in Van Helsing i hate that guy who played him his self hating act was terrible he brought the whole movie down with him.

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Id have to say werewolves myself.

To be chased by something or killed by something as savage as a werewolf to me would be worse. Just that unrelenting beast running you down and ripping you apart has that innate primal fear every animal shares about being faced with a stronger animal.

[Shellhead]

Nah, worst vampire ever was Dracula in Andy Warhol's Dracula. That Drac was a timid loser who seemed to have all of the traditional vulnerabilities of a vampire and yet none of the advantages. And I kid you not, much of the movie focused on this studly young gardener who was nailing all the women. Poor Dracula apparently could only feast on virgin blood, so this gardener unknowingly ruined everything for Dracula. And in the dramatic finale, Dracula...

got both of his arms chopped off by the gardener, who was wielding an ordinary wood axe.

That was one pathetic vampire.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

a vamprire will at least try to seduce you, then bite you/suck your blood
A Werewolf will just scare the poop out of you, then bite/scratch you, or eat you.

get bit by a vampire and become one, you're in control of changing your form.
get bit by a werewolf and become one, once a month you turn into a blood crazed half dog, and have no way of stopping itm short of putting a silver bullet in your head.

[Asher]

werewolfs are scary. They simply change and shred you to bits. At least vampires can come off as sensual and seductive before they bite you.

[Mike Pothier]

Not sure where this "bargaining with a vampire" stuff comes from. When the hunger takes them, I don't think they're any easier to turn away than werewolves. I think it's scarier that they're able to be more calculating than werewolves, yet no less animalistic in their hunger for humans.

How many stories do you think have a person sit down and calmly discuss life stories (or anything) with a werewolf? I can't think of any, but if there are, they in short supply. Vampires are calculating, but that means they can reason. Werewolves traditionally cannot.

[Black Atom]

How many stories do you think have a person sit down and calmly discuss life stories (or anything) with a werewolf? I can't think of any, but if there are, they in short supply. Vampires are calculating, but that means they can reason. Werewolves traditionally cannot.

I wasn't suggesting you could reason with a werewolf. I was rebutting the point that you could reason your way out of danger with a vampire.

Yeah, vampires have intelligence, but they're also (usually) demonically evil. And the idea of something that looks basically human being that evil actually is creepier to me than a werewolf, that mostly doesn't seem to understand what it's doing. Admittedly, it'd probably be a worse death to be mauled by a werewolf, but I'd be more scared knowing a vampire is after me.

[Monty_Cristo]

I wasn't suggesting you could reason with a werewolf. I was rebutting the point that you could reason your way out of danger with a vampire.

Yeah, vampires have intelligence, but they're also (usually) demonically evil. And the idea of something that looks basically human being that evil actually is creepier to me than a werewolf, that mostly doesn't seem to understand what it's doing. Admittedly, it'd probably be a worse death to be mauled by a werewolf, but I'd be more scared knowing a vampire is after me.

well take these 2 scenarios...

1. you discover that your next door neighbor is a vampire and he/she knows that you know

Option A: let the vampire kill you to cover its tracks.

Option B: try to kill the vampire yourself

Option C: try to enlist aid of others by proving your neighbor is a vampire


2. you discover that your next door neighbor is a werewolf and he/she knows that you know

Option A: let the werewolf kill you to cover its tracks.

Option B: try to kill the werewolf yourself; possibly being charged w/ murder since the body won't burst into flames or turn to ash like a vampire's.

Option C: try to enlist aid of others by proving your neighbor is a werewolf; which will be absolutely useless during the daytime.

you have more options in the first scenario. that's why werewolves are scarier to me.

[Black Atom]

In either scenario I'd probably just move away, to be honest.

[Monty_Cristo]

In either scenario I'd probably just move away, to be honest.

wow. i guess the economy isn't hurting you, then.

[Black Atom]

wow. i guess the economy isn't hurting you, then.

I...

If a vampire lived next door to me the economy would suddenly become a much less compelling problem.

[Jared]

You know, if the vampire has any brains, then his neighbors are the last people he should start feeding on. Unless he's planning to just fly away at the first sign of trouble.


Here's something I don't get: Why are werewolves always so keen on eating people? Humans are not cannibalistic by nature, nor are wolves. For that matter, wolves seldom attack humans, and rarely for food.

[Zero Hunter]

Zombies scare me more. They just keep coming.

[Monty_Cristo]

You know, if the vampire has any brains, then his neighbors are the last people he should start feeding on. Unless he's planning to just fly away at the first sign of trouble.


Here's something I don't get: Why are always so keen on eating people? Humans are not cannibalistic by nature, nor are wolves. For that matter, wolves seldom attack humans, and rarely for food.

they are hellbeasts main! stop trying to apply your flawed meatbag logic! :biggrin:

Zombies scare me more. They just keep coming.

not if you chain them up in your basement. hell, i work a 9 to 5 in a cubicle. zombies don't scare me unless they do my EPR.

[Tobias March]

Anyone know of some good werewolf movies? Outside of Lon Chaney Jr.'s Wolf Man and Underworld, I've been strangely werewolf deprived.

For me definitely that gruesome twosome The Howling & American Werewolf in London.

While not strictly speaking a werewolf movie, in the same sense that 28 Days Later is not a zombie movie - Wolfen is good fun.

Apart from Albert Finney's naked arse pumping away.

Achem.

And for me it's Vampires. There's something about a civilized murderer looking at you like a piece of meat that's more terrifying. Not that vampires can't be bestial.

Favourite vamp movies/shows: Nadja; Habit; Near Dark; Martin; Ultraviolet (British tv)

[Zero Hunter]

they are hellbeasts main! stop trying to apply your flawed meatbag logic! :biggrin:



not if you chain them up in your basement. hell, i work a 9 to 5 in a cubicle. zombies don't scare me unless they do my EPR.

Yeah but with Zombies it just seems like there are always hundreds of them coming at you at once. With vampires or werewolves it is usally only one at a time. Its a numbers thing.

[Tobias March]

Yeah but with Zombies it just seems like there are always hundreds of them coming at you at once. With vampires or werewolves it is usally only one at a time. Its a numbers thing.

Zombies hands down the most terrifying. They don't stop. Ever.

[marshal99]

Zombies hands down the most terrifying. They don't stop. Ever.

Depending on what version , Romero's zombies are slow and ponderous. One shot to the head kills them. Real Zombies should actually be slow , Rigor Mortis would have set in and stiffen their joints rather than the running type zombies you see nowadays.

[Tobias March]

Depending on what version , Romero's zombies are slow and ponderous. One shot to the head kills them. Real Zombies should actually be slow , Rigor Mortis would have set in and stiffen their joints rather than the running type zombies you see nowadays.

Sure they're slow, but that's what makes them so scary, because to me that's deceptive. They're slow, but they're relentless and while you might escape, many others won't and you'll quickly be outnumbered.

That opening scene in Day of the Dead with the city deserted except for zombies. Brrr.

[berk]

I wonder if this depends on when you grew up, or how old you were when you saw certain movies, etc?

For me it was always vampires. I was seriously terrified by the whole idea of them as a small kid, mainly I think as a result of reading an abridged version of Dracula and watching all those Hammer movies with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing on tv. I had nightmares about them for years.

But I think the whole idea of them being that scary, even for a small kid, will be hard to believe for anyone brought up on the vampire adventure/romances of Anne Rice, or the action/comedy of Buffy.

[Zero Hunter]

If you go back to what really scared me as a kid that easy. The Headless Horseman. That thing scared the hell out me when I was little.

[Monty_Cristo]

Yeah but with Zombies it just seems like there are always hundreds of them coming at you at once. With vampires or werewolves it is usally only one at a time. Its a numbers thing.

Dog Soldiers
Howling
30 Days of Night
Blade

so make it a numbers thing across the board. you telling me that 100 slow-moving zombies scare you more than 100 vampires or werewolves wanting you for dinner? think about the different levels of coordination; stumbling corpses vs superhumans.

[Monty_Cristo]

If you go back to what really scared me as a kid that easy. The Headless Horseman. That thing scared the hell out me when I was little.

i think he was scary because Ichabod was an exceptional victim. other than that, the hessian couldn't cross water. i still give him props for looking scary. my # 1 scare was always the Boogeyman from the Ghostbusters cartoon.

[Tobias March]

I wonder if this depends on when you grew up, or how old you were when you saw certain movies, etc?

For me it was always vampires. I was seriously terrified by the whole idea of them as a small kid, mainly I think as a result of reading an abridged version of Dracula and watching all those Hammer movies with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing on tv. I had nightmares about them for years.

But I think the whole idea of them being that scary, even for a small kid, will be hard to believe for anyone brought up on the vampire adventure/romances of Anne Rice, or the action/comedy of Buffy.

I would agree with this. Consider also that Whedon changed the meaning of vampires. They became metaphors for a number of different issues he wanted to explore.

When Stoker and Le Fanu wrote about vampires the loss of one's sould was a terrifying prospect because belief in damnation was still so strong. Vampires are something of a strange anachronism as a result, a leftover from more superstitious times, transformed by film and television into the image alone.

Whedon identified that and played with the vampires as a symbol, but the aftermath is as you say a whole bunch of emokids who happen to be undead.

[Tobias March]

i think he was scary because Ichabod was an exceptional victim. other than that, the hessian couldn't cross water. i still give him props for looking scary. my # 1 scare was always the Boogeyman from the Ghostbusters cartoon.

Oh that scared the crap out of me. Good show. I loved the ep about the guy who sells his soul to rid the world of chickens.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

I like both, but Werewolves were always more of a favorite of mine. Probabaly because, unlike vampires, they haven't suffered so much change/re-hash/update as the vampire has.


Werewolves are still basically werewolves. Vampires can be anything from an emo-goth manchild to a centries old murderous demon monster.



Also, as a kid, Silver Bullet was a favorite monster movie.



For sheer scariness, I say werewolves outweigh the vampires IMO. Too much savagery and relentlessness. Plus a tad bit of cunning (Dog Sodiers and Silver Bullet being prime cases).




Though Christopher Walken's Headless Horseman was badass/awesome aswell. :smile:

[Gamiel]

worst vampire has to be the one in Van Helsing i hate that guy who played him his self hating act was terrible he brought the whole movie down with him.

I like Dracula in Van Helsing he have half a minute of angst and than just laugh it of and smiling declare war against the world and the God that created it.

[tangentman]

If you're applying "Full Moon" rules to the werewolf, then you only have to worry about them 3 nights out of a month (tops). The rest of the time, they're human. Of course, werewolves of The Howling weren't bound by such rules. That might make a difference in your answers.

Vampires remain vampires around the clock. They want your blood every day of the calendar year, every year, every century. If we're talking vampires of the 30 Days/Anne Rice vein, rather than Salem's Lot/'Buffy, then invitation won't mean a damn. Even if the "Rule of Invitation" can be invoked, you never know if some idiot in your home won't invite in a guest who just "needs a little time at the tanning salon".

[mgs]

equal for me. I played too much AD&D gaming to be really scared of them. When onscreen, all I can think of is what spell, weapons to use against them. ;)

[crystalline green]

I'm going with werewolves. Dogs are already a little scary to me (big ones - not the little drop kick pooches. I'm a devout cat person.) and the idea of being hunted down and savagely attacked is much more frightening than some darkly alluring vamp who seduces you and then gives you a hickey.

[stealthwise]

Zombies freak me out the worst followed by vampires and werewolves.

To be honest, the idea of incidental infection scares me more than anything. Zombies are likely the worst possible outcome, as you don't get any kind of tangible benefit. At least if you were turned into some kind of evil creature it might be kind of, well, fun to tear people to bits or have pseudo-homo-erotic dialogue with Keanu Reeves, as opposed to your brains dripping all over the place while you stagger through the woods looking to slurp on someone's skull.

[Titan76]

that's not true. the transformation isn't as controllable when the moon is full. there are other ways to activate the transformation (usually a magic amulet or talisman).
Actually it depends of what werewolf myth you are using. Some can only transform when there's a full moon while in other myths this isn't so.
they are vulnerable to UV light. they make those in lamp form now. :)
In other myths Vampires are not affect by light. Bram Stoker's Count Dracula could walk in the sun light as he pleased, though he would have less power during the day then he would at night.
i've got no problem with being seduced.
If the vampire seduced you that usually means you are one step from being dead.


It depends on which version of the vampire or werewolf we use here for me to make up my mind.

[Nate Grey]

Reading these posts, seems like for BOTH to be the most scary, both should follow the LEAST amount of rules. If there were more vampires like Bram Stoker's, for instance, that would be scary. Being able to walk around in daylight with diminished power but still dangerous would make a difference. Likewise, werewolves NOT like the "Full Moon" werewolves, whose transformation DOESN'T depend on the lunar cycle makes a difference, too.

Honestly, with vampires, I've always wondered why 99% of the vampire moives/shows kept the explode into flames in daylight aspect. They already have an array of weaknesses as it is without being mobile during the day to be one of them.

[ultramandingo]

Actually it depends of what werewolf myth you are using. Some can only transform when there's a full moon while in other myths this isn't so.

............ a lot of the werewolf stuff was made up for 1941's The Wolf Man - becoming a werewolf simply by being bitten , silver bullets ect.
- old school werewolfs were transformed by " having annoynted their bodies with an ointment which they make by the instinct of the devil, and putting on a certayne inchaunted girdle, does not only unto the view of others seem as wolves, but to their own thinking have both the shape and nature of wolves, so long as they wear the said girdle. And they do dispose themselves as very wolves, in worrying and killing, and most of humane creatures. "

[Rabid Trekkie]

Honestly, with vampires, I've always wondered why 99% of the vampire moives/shows kept the explode into flames in daylight aspect. They already have an array of weaknesses as it is without being mobile during the day to be one of them.

The power of the movies. That and a couple of the old folk tales say they burn in the sunlight. Mostly though for modern vampire stories, the blame lays in the hands of the silent movie Nosferatu. Not sure why they changed the ending to being killed by sunlight, but it did and the idea stuck.

[Nate Grey]

The power of the movies. That and a couple of the old folk tales say they burn in the sunlight. Mostly though for modern vampire stories, the blame lays in the hands of the silent movie Nosferatu. Not sure why they changed the ending to being killed by sunlight, but it did and the idea stuck.

Ah, I didn't know that. What was the original ending?

Actually, saying 99% was generous on my part cause I don't remember the last movie besides Bram Stoker's Dracula to use the only weak in daylight weakness. I think the show "Moonlight" had a workaround (had something to do with ice), but beyond that, I'd say its 100% of the time.

I'd love to see a vampire movie where the only weaknesses are a stake through the heart and decapitation. And daylight only cuts their strength in half, not gives them the strength of an ordinary human. Or, better yet, peak human strength (cause Batman, who I think has peak human strength, is pretty strong if you think about it) during the day. That's the strength, but what would keep them dangerous is they'd keep their speed and hunger 24/7.

[Jared]

Without a daylight weakness, I think vampire stories run into the logic problem of "why haven't they taken over the world by now?" Or, at the very least, why don't they operate with almost total impunity. Think about it, if they can increase their numbers at will, are physically superior to humans and have only a few mortal weakness, what is there to stop them?


Was it Ann Rice who started the emo-aristocrat trend with vampires?

[Rabid Trekkie]

Ah, I didn't know that. What was the original ending?

Dracula is in his coffin (Van Helsing and company had been on his heels so much he hadn't had the chance to rest) with some gypsies transporting him to another of his safe houses during the day. The vampire hunters catch up with Dracula and just before the sun has set they cut his throat and stab him through the heart with a bowie knife. Dracula turns to dust and Mina is free.

Van Helsing seems uneasy about this though, and when I was reading the book I thought maybe Bram Stoker was leaving room for a sequel that he just never got around to. Well if Stoker's great-grand nephew and the Stoker estate is to be believed, he was starting to make plans for a sequel, so the nephew has written it with the help of a Dracula Historian named Ian Holt and it should be coming out in October 2009, and the film based on the book will begin filming in June of 09. I'll buy it one way or another, but I'm worried this will turn out the way that the Dune novels after Frank Herbert did.

[tangentman]

Was it Ann Rice who started the emo-aristocrat trend with vampires?

Nope. Barnabas Collins of Dark Shadows beat Rice by approximately 10 years or so.

[Shellhead]

There is no real contest here. Vampires want to suck your blood and possibly grant you a sinister form of immortality. Werewolves want to rip you to shreds with their teeth.

[Nate Grey]

There is no real contest here. Vampires want to suck your blood and possibly grant you a sinister form of immortality. Werewolves want to rip you to shreds with their teeth.

That's another thing, admittance into the werewolf club, so to speak, is incidental. They're not trying to recruit you, they're trying to KILL you. If you somehow survive that, THEN you're recruited.

[Jared]

but I'm worried this will turn out the way that the Dune novels after Frank Herbert did.

It'd hardly be same situation, even if the books are horrible. Dracula has been public domain for a long time, there's countless sequels, side-stories and remakes of the original. I doubt this book will reflect on Stoker's at all, unless it's really good.

[Monty_Cristo]

That's another thing, admittance into the werewolf club, so to speak, is incidental. They're not trying to recruit you, they're trying to KILL you. If you somehow survive that, THEN you're recruited.

more like you become the competition. werewolves are pretty stingy. plus they operate on the alpha male mentality. that means you're going to have to fight it out for the top spot.

[Frank]

What's more scary? Imagine yourself alone outside at night. Walking....in a dark corner...The Hairy Ones wins out.

But as far as liking them, I love both races equaly.

[Frank]

Dracula is in his coffin (Van Helsing and company had been on his heels so much he hadn't had the chance to rest) with some gypsies transporting him to another of his safe houses during the day. The vampire hunters catch up with Dracula and just before the sun has set they cut his throat and stab him through the heart with a bowie knife. Dracula turns to dust and Mina is free.

Van Helsing seems uneasy about this though, and when I was reading the book I thought maybe Bram Stoker was leaving room for a sequel that he just never got around to. Well if Stoker's great-grand nephew and the Stoker estate is to be believed, he was starting to make plans for a sequel, so the nephew has written it with the help of a Dracula Historian named Ian Holt and it should be coming out in October 2009, and the film based on the book will begin filming in June of 09. I'll buy it one way or another, but I'm worried this will turn out the way that the Dune novels after Frank Herbert did.

That's aces! I do remember that Mina was pregnant at the end.

[Jared]

That's aces! I do remember that Mina was pregnant at the end.

I wondered about that, but wasn't it something like a year after Dracula's demise?

[Nate Grey]

That's aces! I do remember that Mina was pregnant at the end.

Oh, is that where the character Alucard comes from in the Konami Castlevania series? Hmm...

Also, is the vampires being sterile thing a recent invention? The opposite dates back to Stoker, but apparently its in Roma folklore as well. The word dhampir has been in circulation at least that long.

[Frank]

I wondered about that, but wasn't it something like a year after Dracula's demise?

You maybe right about that. But hey she may have kept some vampire blood in her..? :wink:

[Jared]

Oh, is that where the character Alucard comes from in the Konami Castlevania series? Hmm....


Not quite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Dracula_(1943_film)

[marshal99]

Oh, is that where the character Alucard comes from in the Konami Castlevania series? Hmm...

Also, is the vampires being sterile thing a recent invention? The opposite dates back to Stoker, but apparently its in Roma folklore as well. The word dhampir has been in circulation at least that long.

With no blood circulating , how does vampires get an erection anyway ?! :wink:

[Shellhead]

With no blood circulating , how does vampires get an erection anyway ?! :wink:

In the World of Darkness, a vampire must spend a "point" of blood in order to have sex. A point is roughly a half-pint of blood.

[Ogrebear]

Anyone know of some good werewolf movies? Outside of Lon Chaney Jr.'s Wolf Man and Underworld, I've been strangely werewolf deprived.

Can't for get Monster Squad! A picture was posted but without a link for this cheesy but great fun kids movie.

So heres some links:

IMDB: here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093560/)

Wiki: here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monster_Squad)

Tribute: here (http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/monster-squad/)

Wolfman Transformation: here (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oYagAY2iGg0&feature=related) plus there is a ton of other vids on Youtube.

http://homepage.mac.com/hellbind/.Public/Monster%20Squad.jpg

[mcgaffer]

One of the earliest Werewolf stories, found this on wikipedia.
Zeus Lykaios in Arcadia

The epithet Lykaios ("wolf-Zeus") is assumed by Zeus only in connection with the archaic festival of the Lykaia on the slopes of Mount Lykaion ("Wolf Mountain"), the tallest peak in rustic Arcadia; Zeus had only a formal connection with the rituals and myths of this primitive rite of passage with an ancient threat of cannibalism and the possibility of a werewolf transformation for the ephebes who were the participants. Near the ancient ash-heap where the sacrifices took place was a forbidden precinct in which, allegedly, no shadows were ever cast. According to Plato (Republic 565d-e), a particular clan would gather on the mountain to make a sacrifice every nine years to Zeus Lykaios, and a single morsel of human entrails would be intermingled with the animal's. Whoever ate the human flesh was said to turn into a wolf, and could only regain human form if he did not eat again of human flesh until the next nine-year cycle had ended. There were games associated with the Lykaia, removed in the fourth century to the first urbanization of Arcadia, Megalopolis; there the major temple was dedicated to Zeus Lykaios.

Apollo, too had an archaic wolf-form, Apollo Lycaeus, worshipped in Athens at the Lykeion, or Lyceum, which was made memorable as the site where Aristotle walked and talked.

I have heard similar tales of Zeus punishing mortals who offended him with the curse of the werewolf.

Im changing my answer. I thought werewolves were scarier now i think werewolf Gods are scarier.

[Damiean Dark]

With no blood circulating , how does vampires get an erection anyway ?! :wink:

In the Ann Rice mythology i think vampires see the sex organ as nothing the drinking of blood is better then the best sex to them!.

[Damiean Dark]

Vampires in the various mtyhologys are immortal can fly, can possess people, hypnotise, can move faster then the eye can see, have super strentgh and crucially retain thier human intelligence (which is inhanced) after being turned.

Werewolfs are no match for a vampire imo.

[Toku King]

The "30 Days Of Night" Vampires were better Werewolves than Werewolves.

[Paradox]

Jared mentions the scariest of them all!:

Tell that to the people with Furry fetishes.

No way. That would require coming in contact with them in some way. **shudders** :tongue:

[Paradox]

Shellhead had me Down Under for a minute:

In the World of Darkness, a vampire must spend a "point" of blood in order to have sex. A point is roughly a half-pint of blood.

Heh, actually that sounds like an Aussie's order.

"Oi'll 'ave a point, mate!"

[Ogrebear]

In terms of scary moments I think the Werebeast and the Zombies in the Thriller video are still high on my personal list:

http://badelements.net/goaway.jpg http://badelements.net/thrillerzombie.jpg

Full video here: Pt1 werebeast (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hbYArtoviFc) and pt2 Zombies (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zE8SAYuCYPI&feature=related)

If during a zombie acpolyse you where offered the choice of zombie, vampire or werewolf what would you take?

[Kaos]

Werewolves. Vampires are just emo douchebags these days.

[Tobias March]

Werewolves. Vampires are just emo douchebags these days.

*Sparkle Sparkle*

[Kaos]

*Sparkle Sparkle*

Why are you sparklin at me?

[ultramandingo]

......bestest vampire flick since "near dark " - no undead boy band hair goth teen dorks

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2261/letmein21uu0.jpg

[Tobias March]

Why are you sparklin at me?

Achem -

http://fc42.deviantart.com/fs31/f/2008/205/7/c/Twilight_Sparkle_by_Batfee.jpg

And Let the Right One In is the best Vampire film since Martin!

[Jigsaw]

Werewolves...they've always been able to give me better scares than vampires, but both are hella awesome in their own ways.

[SlightlyMad]

A tricky one as it is a case of intentional evil versus anamalistic aggression. I would say Vampires as they specifically target & hunt humans with malice whereas I believe most Werewolves would be happy to kill & eat whatever is closest & can give them a warm meal whether that is a person or a cow or whatever.

[Acecool]

There's something fundamentally wrong about vampires that makes them scarier. The whole being dead, yet still living, and the thirst for blood just makes them creepier. Also to consider is that many vampires have unnatural powers of mental domination . Think about what happens to Mina and Lucy in most any version of Dracula. It preys on our deepest fears about our relationships, that your partner could become enthralled with somebody else.

Fundamentally, the threat a werewolf poses to a human is no different from that that presented by any deadly wild animal.

However, werewolves do get some points for having weaknesses that are far less practical to exploit. In a pinch, you can probably find or fashion wooden stakes and crosses. Plus there's always the safety of daylight. But where the hell are you going to get a silver bullet?

I always thought werewolves got a bad rap. Sure vampires have more powers, but werewolves simply have a lot less vulnerabilities. I don't know how frightening a villain is that can be defeated by a couple of spare remote controls or a stick.

[SlightlyMad]

I always thought werewolves got a bad rap. Sure vampires have more powers, but werewolves simply have a lot less vulnerabilities. I don't know how frightening a villain is that can be defeated by a couple of spare remote controls or a stick.

You can freeze-frame vampires?

[x_goalkeeper]

Werewolves just seem scarier for me :eek:

[nervmeister]

......bestest vampire flick since "near dark " - no undead boy band hair goth teen dorks

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2261/letmein21uu0.jpgII'm off to Netflix! (flies away)............ Okay I'm back. Mission accomplished. :tongue: