Animated Or Nolan?

[Damiean Dark]

How do you rate the animated Twoface and Joker to thier Nolan counterparts?
Great as Ledger was i still think the basic characterisation of Hamil tops it ledger was better written and darker but something about hamil makes me think he is better probably because he is a more traditional take, dangerous hand buzzers ect and that slightly aristoric air he carries despite his madness.

Eckharts twoface was strange it was well done but his reasons for becomig the rampaging twoface didnt gel well it seemed "rachels dead and the worst villain in gotham has persuaded me he didnt do it im gonna kill some cops!" i still think they didnt delve enough into the psycology of harvey which could explain his madness later on. The animated Twoface was more clearly portrayed Harveywas a brilliant attorny and a good guy but flawed he was vain in regards to his looks and had the big bad harv persona i think it worked far better.

Your thoughts?.

[Laurence]

Animated Two-Face, whilst I'm not a big fan, is superior to Eckhart's. Most of Eckhart's acting as Harvey was laughable, and though it got better when he was Two-Face, it was for about three minutes.

Ledger's Joker was good, but I prefer Hamil's, which to me is Joker.

[Mia]

Animated Joker is more sadistic and sinister. The animated Two Face is more interesting. He just commits crimes without the Hamlet like sililoquies.

[Augusto]

I can't make a comparison. Both are good on its own.

Besides, I have a huge bias over Batman TAS.

[arp2008]

Batman: TAS counterpars any day!

[WorstThingUS]

It's an unfair comparison. Dini & Timm had years to develop their interpretations through a dozen stories. Nolan had two hours.

[joe27]

It's an unfair comparison. Dini & Timm had years to develop their interpretations through a dozen stories. Nolan had two hours.

Not really. Once established in the Animated universe, the characters didn't change much.

The Joker is a pretty static character anyway, but the Harvey/Two-Face story was told pretty effectively in the two-parter. Harvey was featured in the show previous to that, and Two-Face was a recurring character afterwards, but you learn all you really need to know in those two episodes.

[Pól Rua]

I prefer the animated series characterisations because they didn't feel they had to justofy or apologize for being comic book characters.

[Nefarius]

For Joker,i believe that Hamil's Joker was a slightly better than Ledger.Ledger had the luck that he had a great script in his hand that provide him the proper direction,but his Joker had some weakness,especially his laugh.I found TDK Joker's laugh being quite....fake,like a sane person(with sadistic traits)wanted to look crazy.Like his paint,i found his laugh as a cover and not as an expression of sheer excitement.Hamil,on the other hand,has a great variety of laughs and all expressing different feelings.

As for Two-face,for me is a stalemate.I love both versions,so i can't choose.

[Kiryu]

TAS versions of Nolan's in just about every case. Especially Batman, Two-Face, Joker, and more then anyone else, Gordon.

[The Batman]

Animated all the way. A better, more complete Batman, a better, crazier Joker, and most certainly a better, more nuanced Harvey/Two-Face.

Check out Mask of the Phantasm for what is really the best Batman movie there is.

[theNighteye]

Heath's Joker was really good, I saw him as a crazy killer with lots of trauma in his past. On the other hand, Two-Face could have used a bit of a back story. I still don't fully understand why they called him twoface before. More light could have been shed on that.

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[Damiean Dark]

Animated all the way. A better, more complete Batman, a better, crazier Joker, and most certainly a better, more nuanced Harvey/Two-Face.

Check out Mask of the Phantasm for what is really the best Batman movie there is.

Exactly my opinion.

[Sean Walsh]

Not quite fair. TDK has been out less than a year, while we've had well over a decade to take in the greatness of B:TAS.

Both Jokers are great.

I never really connected with Two-Face, though. I'd give the edge to Aaron Eckhart, though. We didn't get much, really, but I liked him. In B:TAS, his origin went well, but he ended up as a typical rogue.

[Damiean Dark]

Not quite fair. TDK has been out less than a year, while we've had well over a decade to take in the greatness of B:TAS.

Both Jokers are great.

I never really connected with Two-Face, though. I'd give the edge to Aaron Eckhart, though. We didn't get much, really, but I liked him. In B:TAS, his origin went well, but he ended up as a typical rogue.

Yes both where great but i still give the edge to hamil it was the most traditional representation of the character seen for most of his existence, a slim slightly handsome insane criminal who comits random crimes dressed in a joker motif of popular culture he will laugh,make jokes (did ledger tell one throughout the movie?) and kill using a variety of comicly dark ways he is starkly bright and flambouyant to gothams dark outline ledger fit Gotham far to well for my liking and i never liked the grunge scarred look did it add anything to the story? then why bother? the mannerisms where uniqe and interesting at first but become erratic and predictable later on i always saw joker as more of a upper class type person in his quiter moments.

Eckhart was okay but he didnt have the spark of pure anger harvey should have and his reasons for going on a rampage didnt work at all i always said Eckhart was an average journyman actor perfect for indie flicks but not up to the job of harvey (we needed someone like russel crow,denzel washington, for this). The psychology of Harvey was also underdone in TDK none of it can explain why he would become twoface after the accident.

[nepenthes]

sorry to be snide but i really don't feel the need to make the distinction. on any level. (ok maybe apart from the fact that TAS would be great for my son in a couple of years, hopefully he'll like it :biggrin: )

[The Joker]

Simply put, each set of villains work incredibly well with their respective franchises.

But if I had to choose ...

Two-Face, and the Joker from TAS win this one any day.

[frostedone]

No contest: BTAS versions wipe the floor with the Nolan versions.

That said, the Nolan versions are the best realistic Batman villains ever. They did amazing jobs, but anything in the Batman media, will have an uphill battle when trying to compare to the DCAU versions.

The Nolan versions are hands down the best live action portrayals of Batman villains. The actors did an amazing job.

[Devil_LeonX]

I would to say that 2 face in the BAS was far better down then he was in the movie he wasnt horible by any means but just semd a bit rushed and really odd.Joker was great in both but Sense i grew up with BAS Im gonna have to say Hamil Joker that laugh will stay with me till then end.

[theNighteye]

both are different but good in their own right. ledger is dark and insane. hamil's is funny and insane. Nolan's twoface was more realistic. The animated two face is like a marlon brando of comics kinda old school gansta'.

[gorthon616]

Eckhart was okay but he didnt have the spark of pure anger harvey should have and his reasons for going on a rampage didnt work at all i always said Eckhart was an average journyman actor perfect for indie flicks but not up to the job of harvey (we needed someone like russel crow,denzel washington, for this). The psychology of Harvey was also underdone in TDK none of it can explain why he would become twoface after the accident.

To me, Eckhart Two-Face connected more with me then animated Two-Face. Animated was just "they threw acid on my face, and I go crazy and evil!" I don't see anything else to it. Granted it was a good character and they fleshed it out more, but I can't see there being more of a motivation to go nuts then the Eckhart version (which I thought there was plenty enough). Eckhart was just hurt and lashing out, and it's not uncommon to go after those who you trusted (or thought should be trust-worth) more than the ones people who you didn't trust/like to begin with. Granted if he went off to become a mobster it would have been non-sensical, but he didn't. There were just certain people he wanted to hurt and given that his past ideas of right/wrong were shattered he took the next available and tolerable set of ideas presented to him, that of chance/chaos that the Joker gave him. I don't see what the issue is.

Animated and TDK is hard to say. Both are defining characters. To be honest, I'd rather they go forward with Animated style Joker in comics though. I prefer him to the comic book versions.

[Redem]

I got a question about Eckhart Two-Face was the fact he barely seem to move around intentional? cause in most of the movie after the burning you either see him lying down in his hospital bed or he is standing without moving out of his initial position (except at the end)

Maybe it was cause of the special effect or simply that I'm reading too much into it

[Alan2099]

Nolan doesn't come close to matching anything done by the cartoon. It was superior in every possible way.

[n2doop5u]

They're incredibly different. I think this is incredibly hard to argue because of that.