Nightwing 149 **Spoilers**

[Seraku]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=1124&disp=table

[nepenthes]

okay this just looks like the greatest issue of any Batman comic ever :rolleyes:

[WorstThingUS]

Love the bit about "missing the green." It took a little while, but Tomasi has really come into his own on this book.

[nuclearman]

Love the bit about "missing the green." It took a little while, but Tomasi has really come into his own on this book.

agree... enjoying this arc alot..

[Seraku]

very, very good issue. the last few pages were excellent.

also I noticed they swaped out the cover for #150 on the DC nation page

[Murrocko]

I need spoilers, I'm not going to be able to pick this up for another week or so.

[Inverted]

Did anyone else think the whole part about Dick's parent's illusion thing to be kinda sweet. I would say that the part where the last pages beginning from the illusions to the ending are some of the most powerful panels I've read in comics.

A touching story, and a great issues. All I can say is poor Nightwing, and poor Harvey. I really can't get the story out of my mind.

[Seraku]

I liked how this arc had the basic premise of Harvey and Two-Face squaring off, and how when Two-Face won, Harvey takes control and is angry at everyone.

[Greg Anderson]

I liked how this arc had the basic premise of Harvey and Two-Face squaring off, and how when Two-Face won, Harvey takes control and is angry at everyone.

And he killed! Harvey killed the guy at the end without even flipping the coin!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[WorstThingUS]

Wow. I can't believe they let her die. The hero failed. I'm hoping for some serious Two-Face beat down in the next issue. I don't see Nightwing showing any pity on him.

[Retro315]

Very cool.

It's nice to see that while both Nightwing and Batman are capable of working through their fear in regards to Crane's toxin, Nightwing makes it look easier. He brushes off the pain of the past and his enemies threat a lot quicker, which goes right to his more "whole and complete" happy-go-lucky nature.

I'm glad Tomasi was looking more into Dick and Harvey's characters, and was willing to have Carol killed for that. And really, this feels like part two of Face the Face. That's easy to say though, because other than The Dark Knight, Two-Face has been underutilized since OYL.

I even liked the shared universe bit about Two-Face hiring Deathstroke to train him in sniping. Ever since Bats trained him to be a vigilante a while back, he's gotten a lot more versatile in getting jobs done by himself, without henchmen. Very cool.

[Greg Anderson]

I'm really enjoying this story and how Tomasi is writing Harvey. The one thing that seemed odd was that even though Harvey suffers from a split personality, both sides usually knows what he/they're doing, so this is a bit of a new development that Harvey didn't know that Two-Face killed Carol. If this aspect of the character stays, then the character is getting even more eff'd up!

[frostedone]

Poor....everyone in this issue.

The Hero fails.
The District Attourney dies.
The villain wins and fails.

The Harvy part of Two-Face really wanted his former love to live and bet everything on Nightwing saving her. Maybe now Harvey will be strong enough to defeat "Big Bad Harv".

[Greg Anderson]

Poor....everyone in this issue.

The Hero fails.
The District Attourney dies.
The villain wins and fails.

The Harvy part of Two-Face really wanted his former love to live and bet everything on Nightwing saving her. Maybe now Harvey will be strong enough to defeat "Big Bad Harv".

It'll only be ret-conned. :wink: :tongue:

[Seraku]

where was this "slade's school of sniping" stuff mentioned?

[Greg Anderson]

where was this "slade's school of sniping" stuff mentioned?

"...Took some sharpshooting lessons last year. Up close and personal isn't always the best way to approach a situation--sometimes a little distance goes a long way. Deathstroke's rates are a bit exorbitant, but as they say, always good to learn from the best."

A schitzo with Batman training, sharpshooting lessons from Deathstroke! Harvey's getting around and he's dangerous!

[Karl O'Neill]

peter tomasin is officially the best nightwing writer ever, hope he sticks around, great issue.

wonder what two face has planned for new york?

[Dark Master]

Why is this a R.I.P crossover? There is absolutely nothing at all in the issue to relate it to the Batman storyline? I mean come on guys, have someone at least pop out and ask him "hey, how was that Black Glove thing" Give us the illusion thats it's connected at least here people!

[Seraku]

indeed, i's not a crossover, it's an aftermath.

also I wonder why people on many different forums keep saying that "Two-Face" is going to lash out against New York? Harvey is running the show now >_>

[Alexx1]

Did anyone else think the whole part about Dick's parent's illusion thing to be kinda sweet. I would say that the part where the last pages beginning from the illusions to the ending are some of the most powerful panels I've read in comics.

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That in addition to the illusion Barbara was Carol and he wanted to save her (Barbara). I think it speaks to his heart as well. I wouldn't doubt if DC is on its way to slowly bringing these two back together.

[Chiroptera]

Wow, I don't read Nightwing normally but this... This I'll have to pick up!

[ANewHope]

Isn't this entire arc occuring while Nightwing is about to be lobotomized at Arkane Asylum?? I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet or at least questioned it. Forgive me, as I haven't read these 3 issues yet. I just assumed that all those villians in one place, would have to be a dream/ nightmare.

[Greg Anderson]

Isn't this entire arc occuring while Nightwing is about to be lobotomized at Arkane Asylum?? I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet or at least questioned it. Forgive me, as I haven't read these 3 issues yet. I just assumed that all those villians in one place, would have to be a dream/ nightmare.

Actually, this arc is happening after Nightwing's AA event.

[DayWing]

maybe a little off topic but with rumours of the upcoming appreance of a new Nightwing and Flamebird in New Krypton, anyone worried what could be in store for Dick? Of course the New Krypton version is most likely temporary ( and I have my theories on who it will be), but I seriously doubt anyone in DCU will take on that name as long as there is another (Dick) going by that name on the same Earth. So this looks like it just might be another positive on an identity change for our favorite acrobat doesn't it.

[DayWing]

maybe a little off topic but with rumours of the upcoming appreance of a new Nightwing and Flamebird in New Krypton, anyone worried what could be in store for Dick? Of course the New Krypton version is most likely temporary ( and I have my theories on who it will be), but I seriously doubt anyone in DCU will take on that name as long as there is another (Dick) going by that name on the same Earth. So this looks like it just might be another positive on an identity change for our favorite acrobat doesn't it.

[Retro315]

maybe a little off topic but with rumours of the upcoming appreance of a new Nightwing and Flamebird in New Krypton, anyone worried what could be in store for Dick? Of course the New Krypton version is most likely temporary ( and I have my theories on who it will be), but I seriously doubt anyone in DCU will take on that name as long as there is another (Dick) going by that name on the same Earth. So this looks like it just might be another positive on an identity change for our favorite acrobat doesn't it.

I asked this when I first saw those Ross covers for New Krypton.

Only one thought on my mind when I thought like that ...

Blue Lantern Richard Grayson.

[WorstThingUS]

maybe a little off topic but with rumours of the upcoming appreance of a new Nightwing and Flamebird in New Krypton, anyone worried what could be in store for Dick? Of course the New Krypton version is most likely temporary ( and I have my theories on who it will be), but I seriously doubt anyone in DCU will take on that name as long as there is another (Dick) going by that name on the same Earth. So this looks like it just might be another positive on an identity change for our favorite acrobat doesn't it.

Why? Dick took his name from that Nightwing to honor Superman. It's not like there's only one Green Lantern or Flash.

[Bob-el]

peter tomasin is officially the best nightwing writer ever, hope he sticks around, great issue.



I've got nothing particular against Tomasi but I've got to disagree. I don't see where his run so far as added anything to the character. He's just another of several writers on this title who keep having Nightwing injured and/or outmaneuvered in his own mag. I dropped the mag once because I thought it was a disservice to the character and his place in the DCU and am on the edge of doing it again.

[ANewHope]

Alright, last night I read Robin 175 to 178. This afternoon I read Nightwing 147 to 149. All I can say is that i'm really impressed.

These issues were my first introduction to these characters in their solo book's. I've been reading Batman and Detective comics for a long time now, but never was interested in these characters before Batman RIP.

I'm glad that I picked these books up at this time, as I really like the idea of both Nightwing and Robin trying to stop the chaos due to Batman's absence.

Have these books always been this good? Let me know what you think because I'm trying to figure out what to keep on my pull list. These two titles are strong contenders that I want to keep, but not sure yet.

Simply, what's the quality level for both Robin and Nightwing within the past 2 years?

[WorstThingUS]

I've got nothing particular against Tomasi but I've got to disagree. I don't see where his run so far as added anything to the character. He's just another of several writers on this title who keep having Nightwing injured and/or outmaneuvered in his own mag. I dropped the mag once because I thought it was a disservice to the character and his place in the DCU and am on the edge of doing it again.

Well, not to defend the constant wounding of Nightwing or him not demolishing guys he should, there's a huge difference between being outclassed by a punk like the new Vigilante and being outclassed by one of Batman's A-list baddies. What Batman did to Vigilante in Gotham Underground is what Nightwing should have done to him (First. Class. Ass-whupping).

[Seraku]

Simply, what's the quality level for both Robin and Nightwing within the past 2 years?

instead of 2 years I'm going since OYL

Robin:
Previous runs where Beechen, Thomas and Dixon.
Beechen is a talentless hack, his arc started the "evil cass" nonsense
I skipped Thomas so I have no opinion
milligan was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal
Dixon was pretty good, brought back Spoiler. the current Nicienza run is a spiritual continuation of it in my eyes.

Nightwing:
Jones and Wolfman.
Hated hated hated Jones' run with a passion.
Wolfman was doing a very good run around the level of Tomasi's run. he had a good handle on the character (which would be obvious since Wolfman made dick Nightwing) and had some good arcs
nicienza was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal

[He who laughs last]

I finally picked up Nightwing and added it to my pull list. The character always held a fascination for me. Essentially the coming of age character who grew up to be a hero under the tutelage of a mentor. That is Nightwing in a nutshell. Even though this arc occurs after RIP, I still wonder what his fate will be during battle of the cowl. Not to cross thread or comic enterprises, but Dick would do wonders and truly have a chance to shine if he were set up right to take the Dark Knight's place. I enjoyed the interaction between dick and Two-face in this last issue. And realizing that TwoFace really is a dick, regardless of which side flips the coin. I hope Grayson is up to fill the shoes he is set to fill, especially against such a formidable gallery, plus the ones he has built up himself under the NW guise. I feel for the guy, despite being a 2D character in a comic. To get beat up as often as he has been lately brings a certain tangible element of fear to the table. He is the down to Earth guy faced with insurmountable odds, facing down personal tragedy but maitaining a rather positive outlook on conflict.

[WorstThingUS]

instead of 2 years I'm going since OYL

Robin:
Previous runs where Beechen, Thomas and Dixon.
Beechen is a talentless hack, his arc started the "evil cass" nonsense
I skipped Thomas so I have no opinion
milligan was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal
Dixon was pretty good, brought back Spoiler. the current Nicienza run is a spiritual continuation of it in my eyes.

Nightwing:
Jones and Wolfman.
Hated hated hated Jones' run with a passion.
Wolfman was doing a very good run around the level of Tomasi's run. he had a good handle on the character (which would be obvious since Wolfman made dick Nightwing) and had some good arcs
nicienza was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal

I maintain Jones was doing an All Star Batman level of satire on the book, because no one could ever seriously think that was good. But I disagree on Wolfman. We all had high hopes because, as you point out, he created Nightwing, but it was good only when compared to the years of painful suffering we'd all endured at the hands of Devin Grayson and Bruce Jones. On its on merits, it was a bit flat and ultimately became little more than a platform to launch the new Vigilante.

[ANewHope]

Sounds like now is the time to be reading then. Both Nightwing and Robin.

All i can say about the first 3 issues of Nightwing is wow.

I was really surprised when they killed the girl in distress. Making this a great 3-part story. Now we'll have Two-Face taking out his revenge next issue.

I also love how Two-Face is no longer aware of his other's personality, far worse than being bipolar.

I know when I read a good comic book. This was a great comic.

[Mat001]

I maintain Jones was doing an All Star Batman level of satire on the book, because no one could ever seriously think that was good.

For all you know, Bruce Jones thinks it's the greatest thing he's ever written.

[Lester C.]

Wow. I can't believe they let her die. The hero failed. I'm hoping for some serious Two-Face beat down in the next issue. I don't see Nightwing showing any pity on him.

Did the woman whom Nighwing was dating die or just someone introduced in this issue?

[WorstThingUS]

For all you know, Bruce Jones thinks it's the greatest thing he's ever written.

In my mind he's giggling his ass off as he types, "Then Jason becomes the monster who swallows people whole..." The same way Miller was laughing when he wrote, "I'm the goddamned Batman."

[Seraku]

Did the woman whom Nighwing was dating die or just someone introduced in this issue?

I go by the assumption that all Nightwing/Batgirl/Robin (since all 3 were based in Bludhaven at the time) supporting character we have not seen again for no given reason died when the city blew up

[WorstThingUS]

Did the woman whom Nighwing was dating die or just someone introduced in this issue?

The DA he was trying to save was ultimately killed by Two Face.

I go by the assumption that all Nightwing/Batgirl/Robin (since all 3 were based in Bludhaven at the time) supporting character we have not seen again for no given reason died when the city blew up

Aw, I kinda liked Dudley Soames. Nite-Wing, however, I hope died in radioactive fire.