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Vidocq

09-30-2008, 02:38 PM

So, judging by the way Joker acts and the fact that he doesn't have a bullet wound on his forehead, the current arc in 'tec happens before Morrison's first issue?

No, this happens some time after He started Datin Jezebelle Jet. Most likely is just an inconsistency.

Splatt

09-30-2008, 02:43 PM

Most likely is just an inconsistency.

I see.

Well, it's time to bring the pitchforks people.

: p

WorstThingUS

09-30-2008, 03:04 PM

I see.

Well, it's time to bring the pitchforks people.

: p

And the torches! Don't forget the torches! And I like how they make it clear immediately Hush does not have the tech to do that.

PatchMadripoor

09-30-2008, 03:25 PM

I gotta remeber the lightbulb in the toilet trick. Go into the light indeed.

Yeah, Joker is loving this.

chipsnopotatoes

09-30-2008, 06:05 PM

can anyone pls give some color on mr. terrific and dr mid-nite. i'm not familiar with those characters and curious why batman would call on them for this case.

thanks

Vidocq

09-30-2008, 06:14 PM

can anyone pls give some color on mr. terrific and dr mid-nite. i'm not familiar with those characters and curious why batman would call on them for this case.

thanks

Doctor Midnite is a Doctor, which Selina needs obviously.

Mr Terrific has 14 Phds Two of them on Engineering (and Physics and masters degrees in Law, Psychology, Chemistry, Political science, and Mathematics etc)
He is able to analize the technology better than Batman. (Since Dini usually tones down the annoying deus ex machina Star Trek skills Batman sometime has in JLA).

Seraku

09-30-2008, 06:21 PM

Doctor Midnite is a Doctor, which Selina needs obviously.

Mr Terrific has 14 Phds Two of them on Engineering (and Physics and masters degrees in Law, Psychology, Chemistry, Political science, and Mathematics etc)
He is able to analize the technology better than Batman. (Since Dini usually tones down the annoying deus ex machina Star Trek skills Batman sometime has in JLA).

more specifically:

Midnite is THE doctor everyone calls in medical emergencies

also Terrific is "the 3rd smartest human"

arp2008

09-30-2008, 07:51 PM

Awesome preview!

chipsnopotatoes

09-30-2008, 08:18 PM

nepenthes

09-30-2008, 09:08 PM

um, did batman just shove Cranes head in a toilet and electrocute him?!

Outstanding!

HaroldAllnut

09-30-2008, 11:26 PM

My faith was lagging in this series, specifically this arc, but man oh man if Dini didn't nail the Joker in this segment. Jesus H. Jones, that was HILARIOUS.

PatchMadripoor

09-30-2008, 11:40 PM

um, did batman just shove Cranes head in a toilet and electrocute him?!

Outstanding!

Yes. Which makes it all the worse because who knows what the hell the Joker had for lunch earlier, mixed with his messed up biochemistry that can take most poisons and psychohallucinogens like candy.

Vidocq

10-01-2008, 01:33 AM

Yes. Which makes it all the worse because who knows what the hell the Joker had for lunch earlier, mixed with his messed up biochemistry that can take most poisons and psychohallucinogens like candy.

Maybe it's just the sadist in me talking but you just made that scene a whole lot better.

thank you both for clarifying. again out of curiosity, who's the 1st and 2nd smartest human?

Arguably Lex Luthor and Batman.

carabas

10-01-2008, 03:18 AM

thank you both for clarifying. again out of curiosity, who's the 1st and 2nd smartest human?It is assumed to be Lex Luthor and Batman, but DC has never identified the top 2 as such.

Seraku

10-01-2008, 04:12 PM

Yes. Which makes it all the worse because who knows what the hell the Joker had for lunch earlier, mixed with his messed up biochemistry that can take most poisons and psychohallucinogens like candy.

a rare example of when over analyzing what happens in a comic makes something much more hilarious

frostedone

10-01-2008, 08:25 PM

Batman gives the ULTIMATE BAT-SWIRLY.

Santanico

10-02-2008, 01:08 AM

Alexx1

10-02-2008, 05:05 AM

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to be the lone dissenting voice here and say that I actually didn't care for this sequence. Yes, Crane is undoubtedly an abusive creep in this storyline, but, y'know - torture's still torture, guys.

I won't accept less after what was done to Selina and anyone that thinks Batman can or ought to rise above what was done to her simply because he's Batman and a hero is diluting themselves. I'm sure they'll be a lot of readers out there who see things the way you do. But I'm not one and I say it's about damn time. You can only take but so much, have so many buttons pushed. For too long Batman has let the people he loves suffer at the hands of these jerks, in large part because of him, and he really does absolutely nothing. Now something terrible has been done to the one person who imo he loves more than anyone, yeah I fear for the next guy he gets his hands on.

BigBoss

10-02-2008, 11:08 AM

Yes. Which makes it all the worse because who knows what the hell the Joker had for lunch earlier, mixed with his messed up biochemistry that can take most poisons and psychohallucinogens like candy.

yes I must say joker was dead on and did any one catch the dark knight movie refrence line.

Chiroptera

10-02-2008, 12:36 PM

YES!

Dini did it! He made up for the one thing I hated in the last issue! Elliot doesn't have the tech to keep Selina alive like that, awesome to find out he had a backer (Likely the Black Glove since it is an RIP tie in) and I'm glad to see I was right that this seem to explain Catwoman's lack of involvement in the main RIP storyline.

Loved the art for Joker in this too. The Marilyn Manson Bullet-wound forehead Joker really isn't doing much for me in Morrison's stories. Also pleased to see Batman called in help for Selina, and then snarls so snappy a decline of any assistance his behalf by other team mates.

Vidocq

10-08-2008, 05:42 PM

Hot Damn Great issue. I loved that line that it dosen't matter how many Jezebels come along, Selina will always be the one (Not exactly but that was the sentiment). And For the Real Joker to appear it was all just exelent. Hush's plan isn't so bad either. Though it has one big hole in it, If he Kills the complete Batfamily and then retires as Bruce Wayne with the JLA's consent (as they may think that is Bruce Wayne Retiring from being Batman) like he plans to do, Wouldn't the JLA Becom Suspicious of Bruce retiring Now that his Family died of all times. I agree, The JLA and JSA would let Batman leave with out an explanation, But They wouldn't but that Bruce will let go of the Murder of his etended Family that easily or that he will leave Gotham alone. Oh well, It's still an excelent issue Can't wait for the Finale. Sucks that we wont be seeing any one Shot stories till 2009.

SpaceBooger

10-08-2008, 05:49 PM

My only problem is that the end of this issue Hush is about to kill a "sane" Bruce Wayne, but there is a "crazy" Bruce about to be killed in Batman 680...

Vidocq

10-08-2008, 06:09 PM

My only problem is that the end of this issue Hush is about to kill a "sane" Bruce Wayne, but there is a "crazy" Bruce about to be killed in Batman 680...

This takes place before RIP.

SpaceBooger

10-08-2008, 07:06 PM

This takes place before RIP.
are you sure... that would make more sense.

My webcomic today (site link in my sig) focuses on my confusion between the R.I.P. titles

AlistairCrane

10-08-2008, 07:20 PM

are you sure... that would make more sense.

Yes, Paul Dini stated in an interview that this arc takes place before Grant Morrison's RIP.

tfresca

10-08-2008, 10:57 PM

Wasn't there an in continuity book that had Hush in it and showed hush next to a tied up Tommy Elliott? I know I'm not crazy.

Red_Knight

10-09-2008, 08:33 AM

Wasn't there an in continuity book that had Hush in it and showed hush next to a tied up Tommy Elliott? I know I'm not crazy.

That was AJ Lieberman's atrocious "Hush Returns" storyline over in Gotham Knights. Hush always was Tommy, though. He had a new Clayface impersonate him in order to confuse Bruce. The story arc is called "Pushback", if you want to check it out. The trade might still be available. I wouldn't bother, though. The first two issues are intriguing, but it's all downhill from there.

Basically, Liebermann wanted to be Loeb, Morrison, or Johns. He tried to tweak and change the status quo, killed longstanding characters (whose deaths were, of course, ignored by other writers), and generally bit off a whole lot more than he could swallow. I guess his storyline is still in continuity, but no one really cares.

JoshuaCee

10-09-2008, 08:47 AM

Good Lord, this issue was amazing. Dini has proven himself to such a fantastic writer, that I actually give a damn about Hush. And Nguyen's art is phenomenal. He's really impressed me with his ability to keep up this level of quality on a monthly basis (including covers!).

LukeRed5

10-09-2008, 09:31 AM

I still don't know how this is connected to Batman: RIP. Will Hush (who now looks like Bruce) factor into Morrison's story somehow?

carabas

10-09-2008, 10:18 AM

Extremely doubtfull. In fact, do any of the so-called tie-ins actually tie into R.I.P.?

JoshuaCee

10-09-2008, 10:36 AM

I still don't know how this is connected to Batman: RIP. Will Hush (who now looks like Bruce) factor into Morrison's story somehow?

It's connected in that DC wants to put the RIP banner on the cover to boost sales. Just ignore it and enjoy the story. :smile:

Spiffy

10-09-2008, 10:50 AM

At this point in this saga, I almost want to tear my OWN heart out.

I imagine Selina, when she gets her heart back, will also be the benificiary of some magic nanotech healing so she can function normally. Or maybe its already been agreed with Morrison that she'll be healed as a result of being poked, prodded and altered in Final Crisis.

Mat001

10-09-2008, 01:05 PM

I still don't know how this is connected to Batman: RIP. Will Hush (who now looks like Bruce) factor into Morrison's story somehow?

The story takes place after Bruce gets engaged to Jezebel Jet, but before Bruce takes her into the Batcave for the first time, when the Club Of Villains attack. And given that Hush is one of the characters set to appear in "Battle For The Cowl" and there's a pin given away at a comic con earlier this year that has Hush and it says, "I am Batman" and the Envy motivational poster of Hush seen in various DC books, I'm going to guess that Tommy's going to try to become Batman.

Don't pee in the (Dead)pool

10-09-2008, 01:15 PM

The story takes place after Bruce gets engaged to Jezebel Jet, but before Bruce takes her into the Batcave for the first time, when the Club Of Villains attack. And given that Hush is one of the characters set to appear in "Battle For The Cowl" and there's a pin given away at a comic con earlier this year that has Hush and it says, "I am Batman" and the Envy motivational poster of Hush seen in various DC books, I'm going to guess that Tommy's going to try to become Batman.

Maybe that's why he's shown on the Battle for The Cowl promo picture, I was wondering why he was on there, along with Catwoman I might add.:confused:

frostedone

10-09-2008, 01:17 PM

If Selina does get her heart back, but is weaker then before, Batma has to options on how to bring her back to 100%:

1. Lazaras Pit

2. Amazonian Purple Ray. She can enter Themsceyra since she is a woman.

kalika

10-09-2008, 01:25 PM

The story takes place after Bruce gets engaged to Jezebel Jet, but before Bruce takes her into the Batcave for the first time, when the Club Of Villains attack.

So even after all this heartfelt drama regarding Selina being the one he cares about the most -- and all the complex emotions that are racing thru Bruce's mind at the thought of losing her --

even after all that, he's going to turn right around and take Jez down it the cave and say a bunch of crap about how he lives in the dark and how she's brought so much happiness to him?

please. :evilangry:

dupersuper

10-09-2008, 01:36 PM

I won't accept less after what was done to Selina and anyone that thinks Batman can or ought to rise above what was done to her simply because he's Batman and a hero is diluting themselves.

Diluting themselves? They're mixing their component chemicals with water?

SpaceBooger

10-09-2008, 04:00 PM

I keep thinking that Tommy will be Batman, and Bruce will be disfigured and thats part of the reason he will not be Batman anymore.

LukeRed5

10-09-2008, 04:21 PM

I keep thinking that Tommy will be Batman, and Bruce will be disfigured and thats part of the reason he will not be Batman anymore.

If this turns out to be true, it's recycling the Azbats story of a crazy out of control Batman and Bruce has to take him down.

carabas

10-09-2008, 05:59 PM

...and Bruce will be disfigured and thats part of the reason he will not be Batman anymore.So? He wears a mask, doesn't he?

drinkblatzbeer

10-09-2008, 06:09 PM

vazel

10-09-2008, 06:27 PM

The inking in 'tec really annoys me. Looks like it was done with regular pens.

Mat001

10-09-2008, 07:35 PM

So even after all this heartfelt drama regarding Selina being the one he cares about the most -- and all the complex emotions that are racing thru Bruce's mind at the thought of losing her --

even after all that, he's going to turn right around and take Jez down it the cave and say a bunch of crap about how he lives in the dark and how she's brought so much happiness to him?

please. :evilangry:

That's because he's under the control of the Black Glove. He cares for Selina, but not enough for them to be in a real relationship. Same with Talia. Too many differences between them. Jezebel was outside of that as far as he knew, like Shondra Kinsolving and Silver St. Cloud.

I keep thinking that Tommy will be Batman, and Bruce will be disfigured and thats part of the reason he will not be Batman anymore.

Two things.

1. Bruce isn't vain. He'd just go to a plastic surgeon and have his face fixed. Or have Zatanna do it. In the meantime, he'd continue on as Batman.

2. Bruce's face is fine in "R.I.P." and "Final Crisis". So Tommy didn't do a thing to him that was long term on his face.

SpaceBooger

10-09-2008, 10:08 PM

That's because he's under the control of the Black Glove. He cares for Selina, but not enough for them to be in a real relationship. Same with Talia. Too many differences between them. Jezebel was outside of that as far as he knew, like Shondra Kinsolving and Silver St. Cloud.

Two things.

1. Bruce isn't vain. He'd just go to a plastic surgeon and have his face fixed. Or have Zatanna do it. In the meantime, he'd continue on as Batman.

2. Bruce's face is fine in "R.I.P." and "Final Crisis". So Tommy didn't do a thing to him that was long term on his face.

I am not implying that Bruce is vain... but I think that there will be some connection between this story and the main RIP arc (even if many of the titles with RIP on it are loosely connected at best). The fact that Tommy and Bruce look similar may be that connection.
Also I am glad that I can not guess 100% what will happen, it takes the fun out of reading it.

Chiroptera

10-09-2008, 10:27 PM

especially with tommy having bruce's face, this has to tie in somewhere down the line with R.I.P...

maybe bruce fakes his death with Tommy being the one who dies, leading into some tie away from the cowl???

That.... That may...

Wow, you know I just have to run with that.

Morrison told us Batman RIP isn't what we think it is.

What if he means that literally? What if it's not Batman who dies? What if Elliot dies, and meanwhile the real Bruce is driven mad by the Black Glove. Both personas, Batman and Wayne, are shattered beyond repair.
The man who once was Batman/Bruce must withdraw from the known world to regain himself and rediscover who he is... And Elliot, looking like Wayne, is laid to rest with everyone believing it is the real Wayne.
Thus, Bruce Wayne is dead; Batman, is dead.

This leads into Battle for the cowl and what not, with it being Batman's alter-ego of Bruce Wayne being the one to "die."

Seraku

10-10-2008, 11:40 AM

Extremely doubtfull. In fact, do any of the so-called tie-ins actually tie into R.I.P.?

Robin 175-176 take place between Batman 678 and 679

carabas

10-10-2008, 04:55 PM

But did it actually add something to the R.I.P.story?

thatONEjustin

10-10-2008, 11:35 PM

But did it actually add something to the R.I.P.story?

Yes, as the Robin was supposed to be delivered to the Black Glove as part of Batman's destruction.

Mat001

10-11-2008, 12:23 AM

That.... That may...

Wow, you know I just have to run with that.

Morrison told us Batman RIP isn't what we think it is.

What if he means that literally? What if it's not Batman who dies? What if Elliot dies, and meanwhile the real Bruce is driven mad by the Black Glove. Both personas, Batman and Wayne, are shattered beyond repair.
The man who once was Batman/Bruce must withdraw from the known world to regain himself and rediscover who he is... And Elliot, looking like Wayne, is laid to rest with everyone believing it is the real Wayne.
Thus, Bruce Wayne is dead; Batman, is dead.

This leads into Battle for the cowl and what not, with it being Batman's alter-ego of Bruce Wayne being the one to "die."

I doubt it since Hush is in "Battle For The Cowl". "The Heart Of Hush" is just a set up for that mini-series. It just takes place during the early part of "R.I.P." to establish a timline of events.

carabas

10-11-2008, 12:23 AM

Yes, as the Robin was supposed to be delivered to the Black Glove as part of Batman's destruction

Well, I didn't read all of the Robin story (mostly becaus my retailer didn't order enough of part 2), but I got all of that just from the main title.

pariah-1972

10-14-2008, 01:27 PM

Interesting story tho i don't for one minute buy Joker ever being afraid of facing Bat-mans wrath since he has sparked his ire so many times and just laughs it off.

I would also like to know who's idea was it to have Hush have purple hair all of a sudden (coloring mistake) it would have been nice if he actually looked like Bruce when he revealed his face.

Also wish that Tommy had never spoken the words " your dad healed my mom " bs cause it takes away from his character everytime he says it.