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ANewHope
09-24-2008, 07:28 PM
If you're a fan of wolverine, this is a definite must have. The story shows important glimpses of his history, and his first fight with the Wendigo and the Hulk.

The comic also makes the comparision of his son to Sabertooth, as he's not beyond redemption yet, he might be able to save his son from becoming just a killing machine

Sorry, I don't write summaries, but this was a great read. Wow. I'm gonna go pick up another copy tomorrow, if any is still available.

Great issue. 10 out of 10. This is the best thing Daniel Way has ever written.

Eye in the Sky
09-24-2008, 07:52 PM
I don't know if it was the Deodato are or if Way is just getting better at writing Logan, but this was a great issue. This was my first isssue of Wolverine: Origins that I picked up and I must say, it was well worth it.

Was the revelation of Romulus kinda leading Logan to Xavier via the Hulk battle something shown before hand in this series or is it brand new to this issue?

Anyways, I'm on for this crossover.

worstblogever
09-24-2008, 07:59 PM
The important revelation, really, is that the Canadian government was giving Logan orders, but he was actually following orders he got from Romulus when he went after the Hulk.

And he did it specifically to garner the attention from a certain wheelchair bound mystery telepath who was searching for some replacement mutants to make a team out of. Romulus wanted him to infiltrate "X" and his team.

Nice setup for "Original Sin".

And yes, this was an improvement, and Deodato's art really helps.

7/10.

sneggz
09-24-2008, 08:41 PM
After reading Deadpool, me thinks Way just had a good week. Lets hope he keeps it up.

Waterlily
09-24-2008, 09:15 PM
The important revelation, really, is that the Canadian government was giving Logan orders, but he was actually following orders he got from Romulus when he went after the Hulk.

And he did it specifically to garner the attention from a certain wheelchair bound mystery telepath who was searching for some replacement mutants to make a team out of. Romulus wanted him to infiltrate "X" and his team.

Nice setup for "Original Sin".

And yes, this was an improvement, and Deodato's art really helps.

7/10.I'm still gushing over the ar, it fit the tone of the book very well. Shame he won't be sticking around for the rest of the series.

I wasn't expecting to much out of this issue, since the story is mostly a setup for "Original Sin", but I was pleasantly surprised with this.

After reading Deadpool, me thinks Way just had a good week. Lets hope he keeps it up.

Here's to hoping.

drwho
09-24-2008, 09:22 PM
Considering this is a prologue to original sin I would not be surprised if the editors actually looked it over more than usual plus he probably had some direction form MC. I didnt buy this because im done with origins, but if its good great. I do hate hearing about all these retcons though. Another one I read was a preview of Weapon X first Class which shows gambit as a teenager stealing a book for nathaniel essex at the same time Wolverine first escaped the Weapon X complex. Some things just arent needed and in my opinion they clutter the past up even more.

StoneGold
09-24-2008, 09:51 PM
OK, that was Deodato going above and beyond the call of duty there. Even ignoring the wacky cool perspective shots - the thing with the glasses, the wheelchair shot at the end - he drew the perfect perspective of a 5'4" guy taking on the Hulk. That was goddamn genius art there.

anansi11
09-25-2008, 04:30 AM
the art was sick, deodato seems to get better and better. all the crazy perspectives really added alot to flashbacks of things we had already seen. THIS is how the hulk should be drawn. considering how terrible the few issues of origins I read before this were, this is a pretty big improvement. Despite this, Daken is just a lame character, I don't think anything can make him interesting to me.

I'm a little concerned with the retcons though, i guess this is implying that prof. x at least knew who romulus was or was working with him? It seems like they can't leave well enough alone. the barry windsor smith weapon x origin was brilliant and doesn't really need to be messed with.

One question: when did wolvie chop off sabretooths f#&*ing head? I've just gotten back in comics again in the last year or so, I guess I missed this?

worstblogever
09-25-2008, 04:33 AM
the art was sick, deodato seems to get better and better. all the crazy perspectives really added alot to flashbacks of things we had already seen. THIS is how the hulk should be drawn. considering how terrible the few issues of origins I read before this were, this is a pretty big improvement. Despite this, Daken is just a lame character, I don't think anything can make him interesting to me.

I'm a little concerned with the retcons though, i guess this is implying that prof. x at least knew who romulus was or was working with him? It seems like they can't leave well enough alone. the barry windsor smith weapon x origin was brilliant and doesn't really need to be messed with.

One question: when did wolvie chop off sabretooths f#&*ing head? I've just gotten back in comics again in the last year or so, I guess I missed this?

Wolverine (vol. 3) #55.

Congo Jack
09-25-2008, 06:34 AM
One question: when did wolvie chop off sabretooths f#&*ing head? I've just gotten back in comics again in the last year or so, I guess I missed this?
What worstblogever said. And just in case you were thinking of maybe buying this to see what you missed, why not give the X-Axis review (http://www.thexaxis.com/wolverine/wolverine55.htm) a read first. I would not like to think that some poor unsuspecting fellow might fall victim to this storyline without due warning first.

rwsmith
09-25-2008, 08:34 AM
Yeah, this was definitely a great issue. It's a retcon, sure, but it works within the established continuity (and is pretty darn cool to boot!).

B. Kuwanger
09-25-2008, 08:55 AM
The important revelation, really, is that the Canadian government was giving Logan orders, but he was actually following orders he got from Romulus when he went after the Hulk.

And he did it specifically to garner the attention from a certain wheelchair bound mystery telepath who was searching for some replacement mutants to make a team out of. Romulus wanted him to infiltrate "X" and his team.

Nice setup for "Original Sin".

And yes, this was an improvement, and Deodato's art really helps.

7/10.
I'm gonna trust this review specifically. I skipped over this book yesterday because I tend to automatically screen out books with Daken, but this review made it sound like he went out of the focus pretty quickly. And I was gonna try the crossover anyway, might as well start with the first issue.

anansi11
09-25-2008, 09:13 AM
What worstblogever said. And just in case you were thinking of maybe buying this to see what you missed, why not give the X-Axis review (http://www.thexaxis.com/wolverine/wolverine55.htm) a read first. I would not like to think that some poor unsuspecting fellow might fall victim to this storyline without due warning first.

hmm well i WAS going to check this out because i dig sabretooth and can't believe he was killed off. i'm guessing this def. won't stick though.

i didn't read the whole review after the part where they called it abysmally awful or something to that effect lol. it seems like marvel is going heavy on the retcons lately with spiderman, this, all the capt. america stuff. i'm sure there's more here that i haven't read. oh and i forgot all the stuff that's going on in x-men legacy, even though i don't read that book i read the reviews.

thanks for the warning! it's too bad its crap because i like bianchi's art.

pharoahe22
09-25-2008, 09:51 AM
This was good...I might have to put Origins back on the Pull list if it continues to be this good. I'm on board. Deodato should've been drawing this book from Day 1!!!

Disgruntled1
09-25-2008, 04:52 PM
Is Mike Deodato only doing this 1 arc? Latest Solicits don't have him as the artist anymore?

beserkerclaw
09-25-2008, 06:53 PM
I really liked this issue it was a perfect lead in to Original Sin and the art is awesome Deodato is one of my faves i just hope the reveals in this story dont make Logan even worse of a murderer but we shall see overall i liked this one alot

pariah-1972
09-25-2008, 07:07 PM
I kinda liked this issue just by itself really and the artwork was really really great,

Not crazy about all the retcons in this issue but then i'm usually not a fan of retcons in the first place.

Can someone tell me why he killed all those officers right before meeting Professor X ?
That seemed a bit random to me.

Also would really love to get to the end of this whole story and figure out who Romulus really is and why he is behind all these things.

Don't really care for Daken i think we have enough Wolverine knock- offs running around do we really need anymore?

Trey
09-25-2008, 09:09 PM
This was a good start to this crossover. And yeah, Deodato killed the art, just like he killed That Thunderbolts run. And those insane SHe-hulk covers.

My first exposure to Origins, hope it keeps up. Its cool seeing Wolvie trying to save Daken. I like how the threads are all kinda being worked together, Loebs stuff and Guggs healing factor issues.

StoneGold
09-26-2008, 12:03 AM
Yeah, this was definitely a great issue. It's a retcon, sure, but it works within the established continuity (and is pretty darn cool to boot!).

Yeah, that's the other nice thing. Nothing in particular was changed that much, it just fits in gaps.

Leocomix
09-28-2008, 10:22 AM
The recreation of the Hulk/Wendigo/Wolvie battle was fantastic, never have I seen the wilderness drawn so well.

rwsmith
09-28-2008, 12:56 PM
Can someone tell me why he killed all those officers right before meeting Professor X ?

As Logan said, it was a tertiary mission objective (and completely at his discretion). In other words, he was just tying up all the loose ends. Apparently some of those Department H folks must've know a bit too much for their own good. Perhaps they knew about Romulus.

Zombie Uatu
09-28-2008, 02:51 PM
What worstblogever said. And just in case you were thinking of maybe buying this to see what you missed, why not give the X-Axis review (http://www.thexaxis.com/wolverine/wolverine55.htm) a read first. I would not like to think that some poor unsuspecting fellow might fall victim to this storyline without due warning first.

I don't think I've ever read a single review from the X-Axis that wasn't pointless bile apparently written solely for the sake of being negative. Here, the guy spends the first 5+ paragraphs of his review saying nothing about the comic other than random ranting about it being awful, then, when he proceeds to get into the actual review, spends another month and a half talking about a plot point that wasn't actually a plot point at all. There was no magic involved in the 'Evolution' arc. It was all in the reviewers head. Considering some of the stuff I've heard him saying about comics that most felt were very good, I'd be inclined to move any of his scores up at least two grades before deciding whether to buy or not.

Which is by way of saying that you should check out 'Evolution', even if only from the library, even if only for the art, but I enjoyed it.

Oh, Wolverine Origins #28? It was of the usual standard I find Origins to be. Which is to say entertaining, well thought out Wolverine stories.

pariah-1972
09-28-2008, 05:24 PM
I don't think I've ever read a single review from the X-Axis that wasn't pointless bile apparently written solely for the sake of being negative. Here, the guy spends the first 5+ paragraphs of his review saying nothing about the comic other than random ranting about it being awful, then, when he proceeds to get into the actual review, spends another month and a half talking about a plot point that wasn't actually a plot point at all. There was no magic involved in the 'Evolution' arc. It was all in the reviewers head. Considering some of the stuff I've heard him saying about comics that most felt were very good, I'd be inclined to move any of his scores up at least two grades before deciding whether to buy or not.

Which is by way of saying that you should check out 'Evolution', even if only from the library, even if only for the art, but I enjoyed it.

Oh, Wolverine Origins #28? It was of the usual standard I find Origins to be. Which is to say entertaining, well thought out Wolverine stories.To be perfectly honest a lot of times i feel like he is too nice in his reviews especially in comparing to what people on the messageboards say.

In his review of Uncanny 502 he mostly critisized the art as being stiff .

Jota
09-28-2008, 11:18 PM
I didn't read the book. So is does Wolverine join the X-Men working for Romulus?

Crimson
09-29-2008, 03:11 AM
I didn't read the book. So is does Wolverine join the X-Men working for Romulus?

Yea, Romulus tells him that fighting Hulk will help draw "X"s attention to him. He goes to fight Hulk and finds he can't win the fight, so quickly changes sides and takes down Wendigo (explaining the team up even though Wolverine is bad) and has a final attempt at Hulk afterwards. He then goes back to Department H and is introduced to Xavier who is "X".

Frank
09-29-2008, 05:15 PM
Oh man a Deodato-drawn Wendigo? I have to get this.

Agent_Torpor
09-29-2008, 05:55 PM
Did we actually need to rehash Loeb's exceedingly stupid Sabretooth death?

Jota
09-29-2008, 10:19 PM
Yea, Romulus tells him that fighting Hulk will help draw "X"s attention to him. He goes to fight Hulk and finds he can't win the fight, so quickly changes sides and takes down Wendigo (explaining the team up even though Wolverine is bad) and has a final attempt at Hulk afterwards. He then goes back to Department H and is introduced to Xavier who is "X".So I see Way continues to do his best to take every positive trait away from the guy. Also, this happens after Weapon X whiped his memory. He shouldn't remember anything of Romulus.

Did we actually need to rehash Loeb's exceedingly stupid Sabretooth death?Well, the villain of this book was introduced on that story so him afraid we do. :frown:

Crimson
09-30-2008, 04:54 AM
So I see Way continues to do his best to take every positive trait away from the guy. Also, this happens after Weapon X whiped his memory. He shouldn't remember anything of Romulus.

Well, the villain of this book was introduced on that story so him afraid we do. :frown:

Yeah, this was the first mention of Wolverine seemingly working for Romulus after Weapon X. I got a bit confused as well, seeing as I thought Wolverine only learnt about him in this series (and the Sabretooth arc in Wolverine) but I guess not, seeing as he worked with him just before the All New, All Different X-Men.

rwsmith
09-30-2008, 07:34 AM
Well, considering Romulus was behind the Weapon X Project, I don't find it all that surprising that Logan continued to work for him after the procedure. His memory may've been wiped, but apparently Romulus regained control of his "asset" regardless. Not that much of a stretch in logic really.

Waterlily
09-30-2008, 08:36 AM
Did we actually need to rehash Loeb's exceedingly stupid Sabretooth death?

At least it was only two pages. And the tear was absent.

The only time I ever want to see this scene revisited is when the "real" Sabretooth is revealed/comes back.

Well, considering Romulus was behind the Weapon X Project, I don't find it all that surprising that Logan continued to work for him after the procedure. His memory may've been wiped, but apparently Romulus regained control of his "asset" regardless. Not that much of a stretch in logic really.

Thinking about it, wasn't the fight with Hulk after Heather Hudson had found him as an anmesiac? I suppose Weapon X/Romulus could've re-established control over him when he joined Department H...

Jota
10-01-2008, 01:21 PM
Well, considering Romulus was behind the Weapon X Project, I don't find it all that surprising that Logan continued to work for him after the procedure. His memory may've been wiped, but apparently Romulus regained control of his "asset" regardless. Not that much of a stretch in logic really.But then, shouldn't he remember Romulus before his memories came back? He should remember what hapenned since the Weapon-X project, like the period in this story.

rwsmith
10-01-2008, 02:04 PM
Good point. :confused:

Having said that, didn't Wild Child say something to the effect of "you remember what he wants you to remember" to Logan in reference to Romulus at one point during the Loeb 'Evolution' arc? Perhaps this means that Romulus has some psychic abilities and wiped Logan's mind of any reference to him even after this? Or perhaps he re-abducted him at some point when the other X-men weren't around and performed another mind-wipe on him? Or maybe it's just a stupid oversight on the part of Daniel Way?

drwho
10-01-2008, 03:50 PM
Good point. :confused:

Having said that, didn't Wild Child say something to the effect of "you remember what he wants you to remember" to Logan in reference to Romulus at one point during the Loeb 'Evolution' arc? Perhaps this means that Romulus has some psychic abilities and wiped Logan's mind of any reference to him even after this? Or perhaps he re-abducted him at some point when the other X-men weren't around and performed another mind-wipe on him? Or maybe it's just a stupid oversight on the part of Daniel Way?

Or maybe Way figured it just was intended as pointless dribble added to evolution so Loeb could feel his story was important and there was nothing truly behind the dialogue.