X-Force #7 (Summary & Spoilers... OH HECK YEAH!)

[worstblogever]

X-Force (vol. 3) #7

In Japan, a man meets with the Vanisher giving him layouts to a secret laboratory, and assuring him that Mr. Sinister is supposed to be dead. The Vanisher of course, vanishes without paying him for the intel...

In San Francisco, a cell phone rings, andit's picked up by Hepzibah (who looks to have somewhat kept her "hippie" look. Rejoice, for those who requested Lady Kitten do so...).On the other end of the line, as Hepzibah begins shouting at the device, confused why she doesn't hear any talking, is Warpath, who doesn't know how to tell his alien girlfriend the crazy stuff he's been up to with the latest incarnation of X-Force. Logan walks in, and asks for him.

Warpath admits to Logan that he was right for trying to warn him off of the mission they went on, and he should've listened. Now he can't talk about it with any of his friends, or his girl. So, he's going to go talk with the one person he can... his dead brother, John. Logan asks him to tell his brother he says, "Hi."

Elsewhere in Angel's Aerie, X-23 has breakfast with Elixir (sporting a Michigan Wolverines hoodie... "Go Blue!") and he's telling them about how he doesn't want to use his powers to kill, but if they keep him there, knowing what he knows, eventually Alani (that hottie, Loa, of course) and the others will notice. As X-23 states, given his age and current romantic relationship, there's a very likely chance he'll tell someone. The tactical course of action will be that Cyclops will just kill him.

Before Laura can expand on this thought, Wolverine walks in and asks to see the both of them, and Josh never gets further explanation. Way to leave him in suspense, Laura.

Seems X-Force is going to be having a little experiment to see how well Rahne and Angel are coping with some of the changes they went through in the first arc. And they're doing so on the racquetball court in the Aerie. Rahne is asked to look at Angel as he spreads his wings...

And her brainwashing kicks in again, making her revert to her wolfen form, and charge forward at Warren from the other side of the racquetball glass (it keeps her away). Instinctively, Warren shoves her back... and undergoes a change himself, turning into Archangel. Of course, this is bad, since as a reflex, he fires off a whole volley of metal flechettes at the thick glass of the court that was keeping them apart, shattering it.

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Now Logan's got to hold back Rahne, and Cyclops has to blast Warren back away before he kills her, too. Fun times.

While Rahne does start using Logan's arm as a chew toy, he and X-23 do hold her down long enough that Elixir can run up, and use his powers to force her to sleep (after all, a natural chemical in the body is melatonin, which he could manufacture in a very, very large dose to knock her out... nice new trick, however you did it, Elixir.)

Cyclops, meanwhile, deals with Warren, tackling him as he returns from being blasted out into the open air. (Note: Warren goes as far to proclaim, "I AM DEATH!" that's not a good sign.) Still, grappling him in the air, Cyclops doesn't let go, reminding Warren that he's stronger than this... and he calms... reverting to Angel (he's like a blue, winged Incredible Hulk now, it seems.)

Logan asks Cyclops how they're going to help treat Rahne and Warren's mental issues, and deprogram them, suggesting Emma... but Cyke refuses. He trusts Warren to beat his programming again on his own... but as he puts it, "Elixir is a problem. He'll have to be dealt with." X-23 pauses, looking like she's afraid she's right...

Meanwhile... at S.H.I.E.L.D. Administrative Offices...

An Agent Young meets with Agent Morales, the field agent who was investigating the Purifier Massacre, because he has information for her, and wants to work with her about it... he holds up a file labelled:
"For Nick Fury's Eyes Only -
Field Report: Captain America
Subject: X-23"

That can't be good.

Meanwhile... in the Southwest...
Warpath is shown in a car, deep in thought, driving across the border of Colorado, into New Mexico towards his family home...

Back at Angel's Aerie...

Wolverine walks into the main room as the sun rises, seeing X-23, Cyclops, Elixir, and... three unexpected guests...

THE STEPFORD CUCKOOS!

Logan's first instinct is to get in Cyclops' grill, and yell at him for mindwiping Elixir. Especially because it's the same sort of thing he kicked Xavier out of the mansion for. The worst part is that he's just a kid. And while Logan does rail for a bit, he's finally interrupted by X-23.

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She tells Logan it was her idea to call the Cuckoos. She called them to help save Rahne (which was what Logan told her they were formed for back in X-Force #3, wasn't it?). The Cuckoos won't talk, either. They can keep their thoughts away from Emma Frost, and they're more loyal to Cyclops than her. And, they're erasing Elixir's memories of what's happened, because HE, in fact, is asking them to. If he knows who's on X-Force's hit list, he might want to tag along, and then he'd be a killer... again. He doesn't want that, but he won't stop the team from doing what needs to be done.

As Cyclops adds, "I haven't gone evil. I haven't been taken over. I haven't been replaced. We're entering new territory, and its dark. But we're still the good guys." (Note: I'm pretty sure this is meta-commentary from the writers to fans regarding Cyclops. HEED THIS.) Warren comes in, letting them know that the bad guys are making their move.

On television, live from Washington, D.C., the news is reporting that Graydon Creed, long thought dead, is alive, and giving a press conference. He claims he was marked for death by mutant terrorists, and thus, S.H.I.E.L.D. and the U.S. Government faked his death, and put him into protective custody, but he doesn't want to hide anymore, because mutants are still a great threat, and need to be dealt with. As X-Force starts to react, we can see the rest of those resurrected by Bastion are also re-assuming their former roles, with Stephen Lang and Bolivar Trask at the Department of Defense... with Donald Pierce holding up images of Dust, Rockslide, and Wolf Cub (NOTE: this means X-Force (vol. 3) #1-7 take place BEFORE Young X-Men #1-5, if you weren't paying attention.). We see Reverend Stryker, preaching to his masses again. We see the Leper Queen, assembling a new Sapien League. We see Cameron Hodge, going into a warehouse, and recovering the armored Smiley-Face suits of the Right. And Graydon Creed finishes his speech... which is being fed through him by the connection of Bastion.

All of X-Force is chomping at the bit to go after one of them, Angel thinking that Lang and Trask are the biggest threats, since they might start making Sentinels, but Cyclops lets them know they have another threat to deal with first... from the Vanisher of all people.

It's not that the Vanisher is the issue, it's what he's taken... in Japan, seven hours ago, we see that the old-school X-villain went and stole himself a strain of the Legacy Virus.

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Somehow I doubt it's the same one that Colossus injected into himself, and cured. Because that wouldn't be anywhere near as much drama.

Thoughts:

Choi's art is astounding. I have to fight the urge that I have to scan the whole issue and post it all over the internet and gush about it. I will resist this urge, and post but 3 scans. That's all. Because damn it, people, you need to go out and buy this issue. Seriously, buy two, and give one to a friend who doesn't know what they're missing. It makes me want to geek out that much, seriously.

The writing? Man, does this continue to set the stage for every major X-conflict for the forseeable future. We find out that this was the prelude to Young X-Men #5, too. And while the team is headed all over the globe, after different threats, we can see S.H.I.E.L.D. and Bastion's crew angling to come right back after mutants.

The characterization is solid, poignant where it needs to be, and still funny in others. Every character is given a chance to shine.

I'll go 9/10, and not feel like I'm gushing. 8.5, I might say in a week, but I'm thinking I'll say 9. The only thing holding this issue back is that it's just part one of the next arc, and still acts as much of epilogue of the previous one as anything.

But what epilogue.

[LawGiver]

Now this was a great read. I love how X-23 took it upon herself to call the Cuckoos.

Did she call them because she cares for Josh and in her mind was saving his life? I've not seen Laura joke, so was she joking at the breakfest table?

I hope Warren gets it under control, from the looks of SI: X-Men #2 it looks like he will/has. Poor Rahne though.

I really am curious about what Cyclops thinks of the increasing circle that is finding out about X-Force, Warren, Josh, Cuckoos, it's not as tight knit as it use to be.

Also loved the move by Bastion using the resurrected villains, putting them back in their original roles, excellent, I love this type of story. These large encompassing tales are what makes books great i.e. Captain America.

As the final page reveal, wow, just wow. I wonder how that viral survived Colossus's fix all sacrifice? Can't wait to find out more. I was curious what it was that could possibly justify Cyclops going after Vanisher, I would definetly say the Legacy Virus warrants X-Force's involvement.

Great character notes, GREAT, LOVELY art! Choi is wonderful. My only complaint is that Angel's face looked a leeeeeetle too bright.

[Beast]

Ugh. Legacy Virus.

Let's hope we won't see that drag on again for years and then be quickly and badly wrapped up.

[LawGiver]

Ugh. Legacy Virus.

Let's hope we won't see that drag on again for years and then be quickly and badly wrapped up.

Chris Yost and Craig Kyle are very capable writers, they know how to give stories proper, entertaining endings.

[Beast]

Chris Yost and Craig Kyle are very capable writers, they know how to give stories proper, entertaining endings.
And usually it involves blowing up children. :wink:

[LawGiver]

And usually it involves blowing up children. :wink:

Considering the quality of children this world is producing, I do not consider that a bad thing.

[Beast]

Considering the quality of children this world is producing, I do not consider that a bad thing.
Good point.

[Seres]

And usually it involves blowing up children. :wink:

All good stories end this way. I'm surprised Mike Carey hasn't done it yet.

[CMBMOOL]

I must say even though it a darker team, it still an underhanded secret, as Logan Pointed out, and that sooner or later Cyclops will have to answer for his reason even if he hasn't gone evil. :frown:

Nice to bring in the Cuckoos as they are more loyal to Scott, then to Emma.

Still I must say for the villains to appear in public and alive is going to be a lot of cleaning up for X-fore and S.H.I.E.L.D to do. :frown:

Speaking of the government agency, it seems that they have picked up X-23's report from the late Captian. I can't wait to see how they deal with this. :biggrin:

Also the return of the Legacy Virus, well they say that a formula like that can be change into a deadlier weapon. Remember Mystique's version of the Virus....

This is a great issue, but once again...I'll wait for the trade Paper back books. :biggrin:

[Cayman]

Good stuff again from Kyle & Yost, and Choi did a really nice job on the art.

[Cytokinesis]

How can anyone keep up this much concentrated awesome week after week?

It has a deep plot, great characterization, amazing art, and it actually connects to the Marvel World in a greater capacity then well... any of the other X-books (Not to mention some great violence :P )

To me, this is the main X-Book. Its the one where all the others truly revolve around, Uncanny is just a Soap Opera, Young X-Men is another one, and Astonishing is simple a few good arcs, but here, here is plot.

[DeniseXfrost]

Those three little brats!

[Swashbuckler]

I want to play raquetball with X-23.

[chickrockguitar]

Oooooo! I can't wait to get my copy! :biggrin: :biggrin:

[ExodusCloak]

Those three little brats!

One of them has taken after Esme and her dress sense.

[Kid Icarus]

So is josh not getting mindwiped anymore?

[worstblogever]

So is josh not getting mindwiped anymore?

He volunteered to be, so your answer is "Yes".

Unless he changes his mind between now and next issue, of course.

[.LuckyStar.]

I kinda like Cyclops when Emma is not around.
The issue was freaking Awesome!

[Hi-Fi]

Ok, time for a love letter.

Remember when we were being teased about this new X-Force and everybody was whining about it? Well, HA HA HA. Show your faces is shame! As this is without a doubt, the best x-book out there.

Engaging plot? Check.
Solid characterization? Well, yes indeed.
Great dialogue? Hell, yeah.

Seriously, waiting for the next issue month after month is always like torture to me.

About this issue: sexy art. It seems like Bastion is in control here? Of all of them? I'd like to know more about that. The interaction at Angel's house was so much fun. I loved the surprising inclusion of the Cuckoos and how it was Laura's idea. I also liked how Logan was so quick to call on Cyclop's motives, even if he was wrong. You know what, this Wolverine rocks. He's the Wolverine I wanna read about it.

Also, shocking news: I think I love Elixir now. That panel with the dude surrounded by the Cuckoos and saying "morning" closed the deal. Keep him, please, C & C! And yes, this actually has nothing to do with his lady friend, Loa, writers! I just really dig him here. But make him bring the wife! Seriously, having the couple plus Hepzibah just living there as supporting characters would be neat.


This is THE book. Bring on Domino!

[LawGiver]

The way I took it is taht Bastion is in control when he needs to, otherwise they are on cruise control.

[cgar]

sounds really good. but wtf. i thought julian was suppose to appear in this issue

[Kid Icarus]

He volunteered to be, so your answer is "Yes".

Unless he changes his mind between now and next issue, of course.

But then stuff got intense with Graydon prior to the actual mindwipe
and I just got the feeling that he was leaning away from the idea
with all of the shiz going down

[worstblogever]

But then stuff got intense with Graydon prior to the actual mindwipe
and I just got the feeling that he was leaning away from the idea
with all of the shiz going down

Uh huh. For now, it looks like "yes", unless he changes his mind between now and next issue.

Hell, or they could wipe it now, have him find out again, then wipe his mind again after he finds out again. Kind of like the coroner in the original "Men in Black".

[Hi-Fi]

But then stuff got intense with Graydon prior to the actual mindwipe
and I just got the feeling that he was leaning away from the idea
with all of the shiz going down
Well, Logan does say "Now I wanna keep him".

So fingers crossed!

[Red Savina]

This is how Wolverine should be written.

Good stuff.

[Henry T.]

I agree that this is the best X-Book out there right now.

I'm really enjoying the stories and I like what they've done with Warren. Having him be Angel and Archangel is the best of both worlds. He retains his original form but can shift into his most popular and iconic form. Its kinda like how since Reload they've made Rachel into a combination of Marvel Girl and Phoenix though they probably should have done that with Jean.

I liked the Cuckoos making a cameo in this issue.

I'll continue to read this title for the stories/plots and for Warren, Wolfsbane, and the upcoming Domino.

[pariah-1972]

Has it been explained what happened to Angel exactly?

[Eye in the Sky]

Has it been explained what happened to Angel exactly?

Yes. It has, in the last arc.

[Kid Icarus]

The cuckoos have such individualistic haricuts!

[RickyD410]

Awesome ish! Loved seeing the Cuckoos and all of Elixir's scenes were perfect! This is pretty exciting. I also hope that Josh sticks around. Please keep him!!

[pariah-1972]

Yes. It has, in the last arc.Can you just tell me?

[Kid Icarus]

Can you just tell me?

yeah...that was snarky

um what we know is that he can change back and forth
and that when he changes into archangel he goes berserk for a bit
but we dont know exactly why

[Henry T.]

Has it been explained what happened to Angel exactly?

Warren had re-grown his feathered wings due to Apocalypse's technology. His feathered wings were either laced with or made out of the techno-organic stuff.

The bad guys programmed Wolfsbane to remove Warren's wings. They used the tech from his wings to give metal wings to the purifiers.

After Warren's feather wings were removed he transformed back into Archangel with the blue skin and metal wings.

After he slaughtered all the Purifiers with metal wings he reverted back to white skin and feathered wings. All his wounds were healed-- perhaps due to his own healing powers. He later mentioned that the metal wings were still inside him and wants out.

Now he can transform from white skin/feathered wings to blue skin/metal wings.

[pariah-1972]

Warren had re-grown his feathered wings due to Apocalypse's technology. His feathered wings were either laced with or made out of the techno-organic stuff.

The bad guys programmed Wolfsbane to remove Warren's wings. They used the tech from his wings to give metal wings to the purifiers.

After Warren's feather wings were removed he transformed back into Archangel with the blue skin and metal wings.

After he slaughtered all the Purifiers with metal wings he reverted back to white skin and feathered wings. All his wounds were healed-- perhaps due to his own healing powers. He later mentioned that the metal wings were still inside him and wants out.

Now he can transform from white skin/feathered wings to blue skin/metal wings.Is this a retcon ? we all thought he grew his feathers back because of his healing factor...?
:confused:

[Washout]

I loved this issue, and Elixir was my favorite part. I hope they keep him around. If he went back to his early C&C New X-men self he'd fit right in with this team. I know he doesn't want to, but he can use his killing for good here. This cast is shaping up to be amazing if Elixir stays around and Domino joins.

[worstblogever]

I loved this issue, and Elixir was my favorite part. I hope they keep him around. If he went back to his early C&C New X-men self he'd fit right in with this team. I know he doesn't want to, but he can use his killing for good here. This cast is shaping up to be amazing if Elixir stays around and Domino joins.

Not exactly "Claw Force" or "Lupine Avengers" anymore, is it? :redface:

[Eye in the Sky]

Is this a retcon ? we all thought he grew his feathers back because of his healing factor...?
:confused:

Now we know that isn't the case.

[pariah-1972]

Now we know that isn't the case.BAH !

I liked the original version better !

[Eye in the Sky]

BAH !

I liked the original version better !

Ok.

But this is how it is now, the Apocalypse Tech in his blood helps him transform back and forth. They are what caused the original wings to come back and all the other wonderful transformations. Warren lost his original wings back in the Mutant Massarce.

[CmX]

This issue was so badass and the art was superb! I'm really excited about all these older villains making a come back. And I'm liking that Elixir is going to be a secondary character on the title.

This will only get better with Domino appearing soon!

[herrjonp]

I normally don't post, but this was just too awesome not to discuss:

During the scene where Wolverine was confronting Scott about bringing in the Cuckoos, Wolverine has Scott by the front of his shirt. Did anyone else notice his claws were just slightly breaking through his skin? Little details like this that you might gloss over first time you read really get me giddy.

[Pro]

Is this a retcon ? we all thought he grew his feathers back because of his healing factor...?

I never bought that. Never made much sense to me that Apocalypse's great fate for Warren was for him to revert back to his feathery form. Always figured there was something else going on there.

[frog]

So, just what was Cyclops planning to do about the problem of Elixir before X-23 called the Cuckoos?

I still suspect things will not end up well for Josh. They can't keep dropping walls on him each time they need to avoid taking all the drama out of serious injury to X-Men members.

[Beast]

So, just what was Cyclops planning to do about the problem of Elixir before X-23 called the Cuckoos?

I still suspect things will not end up well for Josh. They can't keep dropping walls on him each time they need to avoid taking all the drama out of serious injury to X-Men members.
He'll get his hands cut off by someone.

[fitditz]

Like all of the characters on X-Force, Elixir certainly has a dark side (as shown when he says, "Because if I know who you're going after, I may want to kill again, just like I did with Stryker")...I dunno, sounds to me like he may be the "totally unexpected" that was hinted several months ago.

Other than that if they don't add him to the team, I'm still holding out for Hellion :tongue:

[worstblogever]

Like all of the characters on X-Force, Elixir certainly has a dark side (as shown when he says, "Because if I know who you're going after, I may want to kill again, just like I did with Stryker")...I dunno, sounds to me like he may be the "totally unexpected" that was hinted several months ago.

Other than that if they don't add him to the team, I'm still holding out for Hellion :tongue:

Maybe Elixir changes his mind when he scans the TV channels and sees Reverend Stryker up on the 700 Club, or something.

[XaviersMisprint]

this issue sucked. the art was terrible, wolverine was too pretty. when did vanisher get face tattooes? disrespect to continuity. i want to see him at the tattoo parlor on panel, otherwise it is a retcon. anyway, yeah the art was gross... elixir's hair is white. gross. why is it white? and why is he yellow? so weird. archangel is ugly and blue. x-23's tits are huuuuge.


i am SO kidding by the way. flawless issue, i LOVE LOVE LOVE choi's art. i hope elixir stays around. i can only imagine how loa would look by choi, and i love it. the cuckoos rocked! i want them on x-force, or at least as supporting cast! every character that appeared in this issue should be main or supporting cast, just keep them in the book pleeeeeeease! i loved this so much, more than any other x-title this month or even on the shelves currently.

[Henry T.]

I think they should advance Warren's healing blood to a healing touch power. Maybe Elixir could help Warren with his healing power. Warren shouldn't be as powerful a healer as Elixir though.

[worstblogever]

I think they should advance Warren's healing blood to a healing touch power. Maybe Elixir could help Warren with his healing power. Warren shouldn't be as powerful a healer as Elixir though.

It'd be kind of redundant.


Then again, it seemed like a whole team of clawed people would be redundant, so why not?

[Waterlily]

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[Henry T.]

It'd be kind of redundant.


Then again, it seemed like a whole team of clawed people would be redundant, so why not?

Yeah but they've already given Warren a healing power anyways. He can bleed on people and heal them. He even did that in Endsong.

I think Austen had planned on him eventually being able to heal by touch.

In First Class when Warren's powers were amped to their potential he was able to heal Quicksilver by touching his wound.

And during The Twelve Warren temporarily had some weird healing/light powers.

So maybe they won't always need Elixir. Or like you've said they've had mutants with similar powers on the same team before such as with multiple animal type mutants or multiple psionics.

I could see them exploring an angel of life/death duality with Warren. He could have his Angel persona with white skin, feathered wings, and healing powers and his Archangel persona with blue skin, metal wings, and poison dart feathers.

Of course the writers could go in a completely different direction.

[DeadXMan]

Is this a retcon ? we all thought he grew his feathers back because of his healing factor...?
:confused:

no

see when his orginal metal wing "multed"
there was a scene were Apoc said this was part of his grind scheme.

so Warren might be a sleeping horsemen

[eurazn]

Yeah but they've already given Warren a healing power anyways. He can bleed on people and heal them. He even did that in Endsong.

I think Austen had planned on him eventually being able to heal by touch.

In First Class when Warren's powers were amped to their potential he was able to heal Quicksilver by touching his wound.

And during The Twelve Warren temporarily had some weird healing/light powers.

So maybe they won't always need Elixir. Or like you've said they've had mutants with similar powers on the same team before such as with multiple animal type mutants or multiple psionics.

I could see them exploring an angel of life/death duality with Warren. He could have his Angel persona with white skin, feathered wings, and healing powers and his Archangel persona with blue skin, metal wings, and poison dart feathers.

Of course the writers could go in a completely different direction.

I thought Warren could only heal people of his same bloodtype? Or was that ability later expanded upon? Or perhaps it'll be expanded upon now! I can also see the duality of powers being explored, but there'd have to be some sort of handicap to it (much like Emma's telepathy/diamond form).

[Mitsaso]

Yay! Marry me, Mike Choi!

This was the first issue of the series I really, REALLY enjoyed!
I guess the first arc was just a set-up to get all those baddies out there for the team to kill (purpose for the next 10 arcs!:tongue: )...

[metalgorgomon]

Absolutely LOVE this issue. Even without a single killing, X-Foce managed to be a bad ass series.
The cuckoos were totally unexpected.. (are they joining??)
And I like how this issue explains what happened in Young X-Men #1-5.

Excellent!!

[Omega Alpha]

Damn it, Kyle & Yost. Comics aren't supposed to be that awesome. Nothing is!

Though Legacy Virus does bring back bad memories. Please, get rid of it as soon as possible.

Best part was Logan angry and accusing Cyke, while he is level-headed and probably finding it all funny. Hilarious.

[CMBMOOL]

Warren had re-grown his feathered wings due to Apocalypse's technology. His feathered wings were either laced with or made out of the techno-organic stuff.

The bad guys programmed Wolfsbane to remove Warren's wings. They used the tech from his wings to give metal wings to the purifiers.

After Warren's feather wings were removed he transformed back into Archangel with the blue skin and metal wings.

After he slaughtered all the Purifiers with metal wings he reverted back to white skin and feathered wings. All his wounds were healed-- perhaps due to his own healing powers. He later mentioned that the metal wings were still inside him and wants out.

Now he can transform from white skin/feathered wings to blue skin/metal wings.
That is kind of sick once you start think about it. :frown:

[RoguishGurl]

I absolutely LOVED this issue! Everything about it was wonderful! Kyle and Yost were awesome! Choi and Oback were awesome! This issue was just FREAKISHLY AWESOME!

I really love Choi/Oback's work. They are so detailed. I loved everything about it. Especially the cover of X-23: Target X #1 on that magazine cover next to Hepzibah.

Next month is so far away!

[DeadXMan]

That is kind of sick once you start think about it. :frown:

what was sicker was he was naked as he laid upon those that fell before him

[Patrion]

I absolutely LOVED this issue! Everything about it was wonderful! Kyle and Yost were awesome! Choi and Oback were awesome! This issue was just FREAKISHLY AWESOME!

I really love Choi/Oback's work. They are so detailed. I loved everything about it. Especially the cover of X-23: Target X #1 on that magazine cover next to Hepzibah.

Next month is so far away!

I freaking know! My Facebook status said just that this afternoon! It's freaking unholy! Damn unholy, in fact, just how awesomely kick@$$ and astounding this book turned out to be! I remember thinking, "Ugh, this book is going to nothing but Claws-go-slash:Knives-go-slash:Blood-go-everywhere!" And now, it's my #1 favorite X-Book! Yes, it's bumped X-Factor down to #2, and Stroman's art had a little something to do with that as well, but that's another post in another thread, :P!

The things that C&C do are mindblowiong! It's like they know how to rock my world and I didn't even ask them to! Gah, I agree with the poster above that said no comic should ever be this good! I do believe X-Force will be involved with the Apocalypse at somepoint! HAH!

The art, well, left me speechless every time I turned the page! Choi and Oback made Rahne look so pitiful one minute and then furious the next! Even more crazy then that was that it was oddly sexy all at the same time!......or was I the only one that thought that....? :redface:

Can't wait to see Domino in action and her interactions with the team, cause I know it's gonna be the shizznit! This month is gonna go by slow, I can already tell!

[Patrion]

what was sicker was he was naked as he laid upon those that fell before him

Sick? What sick? I interpreted that to be arousing! Was that wrong? If it was, blame Crain!

[podmark]

This issue was simply amazing. Every page or two I was saying 'awesome' out loud.

I love Elixir here. When I saw the Cuckoos with Josh my heart sank, but then Josh did his speech about wanting to be mind wiped and it was prefect and if thats how it plays out I can accept him leaving. But I'd rather he stay, but C&C need to stick to their story, whether that story includes Josh or no Josh.

Never been a big X-23 fan but this was a great issue for her, lots of great lines from her. Having her bring in the Cuckoos was an inspired choice, I wish I'd seen it coming. I wonder if they'll be recurring and/or joining the team?

The Wolverine/Cyclops confrontation was great, and is one of the things that made this issue so good - it's dealing with all the consequences of this team. The book isn't just hack and slash, it's the real deal.

I still think it's cool that Yost and Kyle keep using Agent Morales, and I'm calling her a darkhorse as one of the two upcoming roster spots on the team.

The Archangel/Wolfsbane scene was great and very necessary. It makes things so much clearer and was very powerful. The Archangel transformation was excellent. I miss Crain's brutal looking Archangel and frightening wolf form though, Choi's seems kinda cuddly in comparison.

The scene with Bastion's cabal taking their places is just what I wanted to see. Things look bad for the X-Men, very bad. And I really can't see how the other books could possibly ignore these kinds of threats. Although I kind of wonder what Lang and Trask can really do at the DOD, the government already has sentinels - have we forgotten ONE already? Very nice of C&C to clear up the Young X-Men timeline. Legacy virus is a threat I just knew they'd bring back.
Anyone else notice the girl and the Doctor from New X-Men are still there with Stryker?



The art is great. I know I've say a few times that Choi doesn't quite click with me, but it's great art and I can tell I'm going to love it by the end of the arc. I'm not there yet, but I will be. My only real issues was the ones noted above about Wolfsbane and Archangel. Also: Cyclops in the Morrison jacket!!! Love that everytime Choi does it!

Also I'm ordering Target X next time I put in an order from Amazon.

[Hakael]

This issue was simply amazing. Every page or two I was saying 'awesome' out loud.

I love Elixir here. When I saw the Cuckoos with Josh my heart sank, but then Josh did his speech about wanting to be mind wiped and it was prefect and if thats how it plays out I can accept him leaving. But I'd rather he stay, but C&C need to stick to their story, whether that story includes Josh or no Josh.

Never been a big X-23 fan but this was a great issue for her, lots of great lines from her. Having her bring in the Cuckoos was an inspired choice, I wish I'd seen it coming. I wonder if they'll be recurring and/or joining the team?

The Wolverine/Cyclops confrontation was great, and is one of the things that made this issue so good - it's dealing with all the consequences of this team. The book isn't just hack and slash, it's the real deal.

I still think it's cool that Yost and Kyle keep using Agent Morales, and I'm calling her a darkhorse as one of the two upcoming roster spots on the team.

The Archangel/Wolfsbane scene was great and very necessary. It makes things so much clearer and was very powerful. The Archangel transformation was excellent. I miss Crain's brutal looking Archangel and frightening wolf form though, Choi's seems kinda cuddly in comparison.

The scene with Bastion's cabal taking their places is just what I wanted to see. Things look bad for the X-Men, very bad. And I really can't see how the other books could possibly ignore these kinds of threats. Although I kind of wonder what Lang and Trask can really do at the DOD, the government already has sentinels - have we forgotten ONE already? Very nice of C&C to clear up the Young X-Men timeline. Legacy virus is a threat I just knew they'd bring back.
Anyone else notice the girl and the Doctor from New X-Men are still there with Stryker?



The art is great. I know I've say a few times that Choi doesn't quite click with me, but it's great art and I can tell I'm going to love it by the end of the arc. I'm not there yet, but I will be. My only real issues was the ones noted above about Wolfsbane and Archangel. Also: Cyclops in the Morrison jacket!!! Love that everytime Choi does it!

Also I'm ordering Target X next time I put in an order from Amazon.

Great issue.

I'm kinda disappointed in Josh willing to be mind-wiped... but I guess it beats the alternative of killing him. But now we've got the cuckoos involved and they've already been acting pretty sketchy.

As far as clearing out the timeline for YXM, this makes things even weirder on that front. If that Pierce is under some control of Bastion... and the X-Men have him locked up... what are they going to do with him?

[podmark]

As far as clearing out the timeline for YXM, this makes things even weirder on that front. If that Pierce is under some control of Bastion... and the X-Men have him locked up... what are they going to do with him?


Well that's dependent on them knowing that Pierce was one of Bastion's cabal. Wolverine got a glance at them but we don't know if he knew all of them. I guess Cyclops' screen at the end of the 6th issue would imply they know, but Pierce could have been on there just as a general threat.

[pariah-1972]

Wow just wow i didn't like the first issue at all but i'm really loving this issue i love mike choi and i love that they are bringing back Vanisher (which is totally weird cause i was thinking about him a week or so ago when i was playing Chornicles of Riddick :biggrin: )

I like seeing the consequences of there actions and i like seeing Wolverine and Cyclops argue again (i alway love it when they don't get along )

I'm a little confused about what the Cuckoo's meant by they are loyal to Cyke
i mean that's a pretty new revelation since they were taking orders from Emma in the Secret Unvasion mini although i know they blame her for one of them dying .


I hope Elixir sticks around cause he has interesting powers.


I don't know if there could be a better issue.

[worstblogever]

Well that's dependent on them knowing that Pierce was one of Bastion's cabal. Wolverine got a glance at them but we don't know if he knew all of them. I guess Cyclops' screen at the end of the 6th issue would imply they know, but Pierce could have been on there just as a general threat.

Logan did see Pierce in the back of the helicopter at the end of X-Force #6, though, as Bastion escaped.

They know.

[timbox]

Amazing issue, of course. Kyle, Oback, Yost, and Choi are an orgy of awesome.

I was surprised and happy to see the Cuckoos, they're so crazy.

A relationship between Elixir and X-23 might be interesting. She could cut both of them up pretty good, then she would heal herself, and Elixir would heal himself. They could see how far she could take it.

I am most excited to see where the story goes with the Nick Fury X-23 files.

[Michael Sean]

I've been loving this series but had mostly been reading in the store. I bought issue 6 last week and plan on picking up issue 7 as soon as I get my next pay check.

This really is a great series and prob. the best X-book out right now.

I love Archangel.

I also loved the use of the cuckoos in this issue.

I had looked at the advanced copy last week and was happy to see them.

I also really love Rahne. X-23 and Warpath aren't favs of mine but they are kinda growing on me... :tongue:

[psycwave]

Poor Elixir he jut wants to be a lover. He needs t accept his killer instincts and join the ranks of X-Force!!!!

[theardri]

I'm a little confused about what the Cuckoo's meant by they are loyal to Cyke
i mean that's a pretty new revelation since they were taking orders from Emma in the Secret Unvasion mini although i know they blame her for one of them dying .



Umm I think it's been quite well established since warsong(?) they were on Cykes baby xmen team (Corsairs?) if I remember during Decimation, when Emma has them “shut down” every kid she calls them “her girls” and they respond “Never yours” or something very similar.

So yeah they are Loyal to Cyke, but they also take it upon themselves to do things, like letting Elixir absorb all of Hanks knowledge, and thus making him very good at healing, and letting David access all his learned skills (they then should have let Elixir access David’s knowledge but ok….).

What concerns me, is they (C&Y) have hinted that Elixir could be the next Magneto (if he goes all dark) and then had him snap out of it thanks to Loa (heh)…. Do you really want that sort of kid on X-Force???? Seriosuly

[timbox]

Elixir knows he's a killer, he's just scared to embrace it.

Plus he would look too much like Sunspot if he used his evil powers all the time.

[frog]

C & C have been taking the Cuckoos in a dark direction. They used to be slightly creepy but they became downright scary in the last issues of New X-Men.

Cyclops may need to be watching how much he involves them in his plans!

[timbox]

I love Creepy Cuckoos. Cyclops is an enabler.

[frog]

The Creepy Cuckoo Trio.

Great name for a musical group.

[LawGiver]

I don't think it's clear that the X-Men know Bastion is controlling all those in the plane, Logan might have seen Peirce, but not know the circumstances. As for the mind wipe with Josh, we haven't seen it take place and after witnesses the press conference with Creed he might change his mind.

[Chaos_Alfa]

This issue was simply amazing. Every page or two I was saying 'awesome' out loud.

I love Elixir here. When I saw the Cuckoos with Josh my heart sank, but then Josh did his speech about wanting to be mind wiped and it was prefect and if thats how it plays out I can accept him leaving. But I'd rather he stay, but C&C need to stick to their story, whether that story includes Josh or no Josh.

Never been a big X-23 fan but this was a great issue for her, lots of great lines from her. Having her bring in the Cuckoos was an inspired choice, I wish I'd seen it coming. I wonder if they'll be recurring and/or joining the team?

The Wolverine/Cyclops confrontation was great, and is one of the things that made this issue so good - it's dealing with all the consequences of this team. The book isn't just hack and slash, it's the real deal.

I still think it's cool that Yost and Kyle keep using Agent Morales, and I'm calling her a darkhorse as one of the two upcoming roster spots on the team.

The Archangel/Wolfsbane scene was great and very necessary. It makes things so much clearer and was very powerful. The Archangel transformation was excellent. I miss Crain's brutal looking Archangel and frightening wolf form though, Choi's seems kinda cuddly in comparison.

The scene with Bastion's cabal taking their places is just what I wanted to see. Things look bad for the X-Men, very bad. And I really can't see how the other books could possibly ignore these kinds of threats. Although I kind of wonder what Lang and Trask can really do at the DOD, the government already has sentinels - have we forgotten ONE already? Very nice of C&C to clear up the Young X-Men timeline. Legacy virus is a threat I just knew they'd bring back.
Anyone else notice the girl and the Doctor from New X-Men are still there with Stryker?



The art is great. I know I've say a few times that Choi doesn't quite click with me, but it's great art and I can tell I'm going to love it by the end of the arc. I'm not there yet, but I will be. My only real issues was the ones noted above about Wolfsbane and Archangel. Also: Cyclops in the Morrison jacket!!! Love that everytime Choi does it!

Also I'm ordering Target X next time I put in an order from Amazon.

Good choice.
If you like it after you read it, don't forget to try X-23: Innocence Lost.

[LawGiver]

What concerns me, is they (C&Y) have hinted that Elixir could be the next Magneto (if he goes all dark) and then had him snap out of it thanks to Loa (heh)…. Do you really want that sort of kid on X-Force???? Seriosuly

Yes because it would make for a great story. Josh becomes a threat, becomes dark and X-Force and Cyclops must then decide if he should be taken out.

[Optic Rage!]

This book makes me so hot.

LOVE IT.

I loved the Wolverine-Cyclops fight, it was done really well.

[LawGiver]

I love Choi's art work as much as the next guy, but I really think he'd be better suited for Uncanny. What if we took Choi, sent him to Uncanny, took Deodato from Wolverine Origins and put him on this book? Get the guy who did the Moon Knight issues after Finch left to do Origins?

[JoshuaCee]

So, this book is pretty much everything I grew up with and loved about the X-Men in the 90's, with none of the bad stuff. I flat out LOVE this book. :smile:

[chickrockguitar]

I love Choi's art work as much as the next guy, but I really think he'd be better suited for Uncanny. What if we took Choi, sent him to Uncanny, took Deodato from Wolverine Origins and put him on this book? Get the guy who did the Moon Knight issues after Finch left to do Origins?I like Choi for this. But I guess I'm biased. My fave X-artist on my Fave book and all.

[pharoahe22]

This is definetly the best X-book on the market. This issue was awesome...I'm really looking forward to the next one. And I thought going into this series that Logan and X-23 were the only ticking time bombs in the group. I can't wait for Sinister and Ghost Rider to show up

[rwsmith]

What's crazy is that Logan is probably the most stable member of this team at this point! :eek:

[chickrockguitar]

What's crazy is that Logan is probably the most stable member of this team at this point! :eek:Lmao! You're right. :biggrin:

[frog]

What's crazy is that Logan is probably the most stable member of this team at this point! :eek:

Him or X-23.

[rwsmith]

X-23, while emotionally stable, is still very much a wild card. She doesn't follow orders and pretty much does whatever she thinks is best in order to accomplish the mission, regardless of the consequences. I would say that makes her somewhat of an unstable quotient in her own right.

[ExodusCloak]

Which Cuckoo is which. There's one without a necklace, one with a pendant and one with what looks like a cross.

[Petes Pants]

So I'm sure this is going to sound like crazy talk, considering how much everyone here LOVES this book, but this was the first issue of X-Force that I really liked.

Funny thing is, I don't really care for Choi at all and would have much preferred this to be illustrated by Crain. Is he off the book for good?

[Pach!]

X-23, while emotionally stable, is still very much a wild card. She doesn't follow orders and pretty much does whatever she thinks is best in order to accomplish the mission, regardless of the consequences. I would say that makes her somewhat of an unstable quotient in her own right.

Actually she follows orders..just not Wolverine's.

[LawGiver]

So I'm sure this is going to sound like crazy talk, considering how much everyone here LOVES this book, but this was the first issue of X-Force that I really liked.

Funny thing is, I don't really care for Choi at all and would have much preferred this to be illustrated by Crain. Is he off the book for good?

No, he is drawing the next art. It seems Crain and Choi will rotate arcs.

[rwsmith]

Actually she follows orders..just not Wolverine's.

Without regard for the safety of her teammates or possible collateral damage. So, like I said, another unstable element on the team.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Actually she follows orders..just not Wolverine's.

She's not much for operational intelligence either. Upon realizing Wolfsbane was likely turned into a double agent does she A) watch Rahne like a hawk, B) allow Wolfsbane to accomplish her mission and then follow Rahne back to her handlers or C) badger Wolverine about her idea and then allow herself to be mauled rather than hurting Rahne? And ignore the fact that by not hurting Wolfsbane then, she places Rahne in even greater danger.

Her inability to think and adapt should really make her one of the team's bigger liabilities. Seems like all she can do right is stab people.

[FemGeek]

Beautiful, beautiful art. Best thing my eyes have seen all week (including myself). Great build up to the next arc, and very well done downtime issue. Loved the tussel between Rahne and Archangel, the art for Wolfsbane is so great, and very sad. I was suprised to see the Cuckoos, but it is the best path to take regarding all the mental trauma flying around the place. I can't seem to decide who's gone crazier; Warren or Rahne. And somehow, despite the crippling disfunction, I sense a nice team dynamic.

[frog]

She's not much for operational intelligence either. Upon realizing Wolfsbane was likely turned into a double agent does she A) watch Rahne like a hawk, B) allow Wolfsbane to accomplish her mission and then follow Rahne back to her handlers or C) badger Wolverine about her idea and then allow herself to be mauled rather than hurting Rahne? And ignore the fact that by not hurting Wolfsbane then, she places Rahne in even greater danger.

Her inability to think and adapt should really make her one of the team's bigger liabilities. Seems like all she can do right is stab people.

You can blame Wolverine for that. X-23 is really the only one that was acting like a true black operator and willing to do what ever necessary. However, Wolverine's bawling her out before hand introduced doubt.

[The Cool Thatguy]

You can blame Wolverine for that. X-23 is really the only one that was acting like a true black operator and willing to do what ever necessary. However, Wolverine's bawling her out before hand introduced doubt.

Wolverine's statement didn't make her stand there and get mauled. Wolverine didn't force her to leave Rahne unattended.

A true black operative either would have watched Rahne, or allow her to accomplish her mission and then follow her back. As a general rule, they have brains.

[LawGiver]

Wolverine's statement didn't make her stand there and get mauled. Wolverine didn't force her to leave Rahne unattended.

A true black operative either would have watched Rahne, or allow her to accomplish her mission and then follow her back. As a general rule, they have brains.

Maybe this is too complicated for you to understand.

She's been struggling with her humanity since she was brought into NXM, Wolverine is trying to remind of that, his whole reasoning for not wanting her to be on this team is because it would set back any psycological progress they made with her. He is still trying to keep from having her revert to an emotionless killing machine. That is why that scene, the way it went down, is so good.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Maybe this is too complicated for you to understand.

She's been struggling with her humanity since she was brought into NXM, Wolverine is trying to remind of that, his whole reasoning for not wanting her to be on this team is because it would set back any psycological progress they made with her. He is still trying to keep from having her revert to an emotionless killing machine. That is why that scene, the way it went down, is so good.

It's not complicated, it's just not good. Logan assaulted her while trying to instill some humanity. Lovely lesson :rolleyes:

And allowing Wolfsbane to escape and then following her would have worked just as well, perhaps blurred the line and been less heavy handed. Instead Laura acted like an idiot because the plot required it. Just like how Warren just happened to be around Rahne when she woke up.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Finally picked out the issue on my way back from class.

Sheer awesome.

Also, the part about Cyke directly telling a portion of the fandom to chill the efff down was a howler.

Gotta admit, didn't see the Cuckoo's loyalty scene coming. When the hell is the arc supposed to happen...? I could see it happening in the wake of SI:X, but it seems a bit of a stretch in-between MC & SI. Oh well.

[LawGiver]

It's not complicated, it's just not good. Logan assaulted her while trying to instill some humanity. Lovely lesson :rolleyes:

And allowing Wolfsbane to escape and then following her would have worked just as well, perhaps blurred the line and been less heavy handed. Instead Laura acted like an idiot because the plot required it. Just like how Warren just happened to be around Rahne when she woke up.

It was a lovely lesson, he was angry, any display of emotion would help remind Laura she's human. Again, it's fine if this is too much for you to understand, we're here to help.

Warren was around because it's his house they are in.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It was a lovely lesson, he was angry, any display of emotion would help remind Laura she's human. Again, it's fine if this is too much for you to understand, we're here to help.

Warren was around because it's his house they are in.

The writers of X-Force had to blow up a bus of kids to get angst from their teenage cast. Somehow, I don't think I'm missing much nuance.

As for it being Warren's house, how did the Purifiers know that the X-Men would take Rahne to his house and that he'd be home for her to maul?

[Pach!]

The writers of X-Force had to blow up a bus of kids to get angst from their teenage cast. Somehow, I don't think I'm missing much nuance.

As for it being Warren's house, how did the Purifiers know that the X-Men would take Rahne to his house and that he'd be home for her to maul?

They probably asked her.

[frog]

Wolverine's statement didn't make her stand there and get mauled. Wolverine didn't force her to leave Rahne unattended.

A true black operative either would have watched Rahne, or allow her to accomplish her mission and then follow her back. As a general rule, they have brains.

She has plenty of brains but she's also still a child. That means when she is given conflicting orders by her superiors the decision making process is quite likely to be short circuited.

As Wolverine is the adult and the team leader the buck stops with him.

[LawGiver]

The writers of X-Force had to blow up a bus of kids to get angst from their teenage cast. Somehow, I don't think I'm missing much nuance.

As for it being Warren's house, how did the Purifiers know that the X-Men would take Rahne to his house and that he'd be home for her to maul?

I think they blew up a bus to show how fanatical the Purifiers were, build up the threat, I don't think it was so the cast could act like Dawson's Creek.

You are missing something, clearly this book isn't for you, I would suggest Wolverine and the Power Pack.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I think they blew up a bus to show how fanatical the Purifiers were, build up the threat, I don't think it was so the cast could act like Dawson's Creek.

You are missing something, clearly this book isn't for you, I would suggest Wolverine and the Power Pack.

What major characterization in New X-Men wasn't built around death and torture? It was the series' crutch and pretty damn obvious at that.

BTW I'm a fan of the original Suicide Squad, I'm not squeamish. I just have certain standards when it comes to quality.

[jarrod]

I love Choi's art work as much as the next guy, but I really think he'd be better suited for Uncanny. What if we took Choi, sent him to Uncanny, took Deodato from Wolverine Origins and put him on this book? Get the guy who did the Moon Knight issues after Finch left to do Origins?
Deodato on this book would be AMAZING! I wouldn't mind seeing TEX do an arc either actually.

[Pach!]

What major characterization in New X-Men wasn't built around death and torture? It was the series' crutch and pretty damn obvious at that.

BTW I'm a fan of the original Suicide Squad, I'm not squeamish. I just have certain standards when it comes to quality.

LOL. I think people would believe your "elitist" attitude more if you spent less time trying to find plot holes in a book you don't read. A true elitist would pretend it doesn't exist.

[chickrockguitar]

You can blame Wolverine for that. X-23 is really the only one that was acting like a true black operator and willing to do what ever necessary. However, Wolverine's bawling her out before hand introduced doubt. I was gonna say that! The Cool Thatguy, Did you miss thats scene?

She's been struggling with her humanity since she was brought into NXM, Wolverine is trying to remind of that, his whole reasoning for not wanting her to be on this team is because it would set back any psycological progress they made with her. He is still trying to keep from having her revert to an emotionless killing machine. That is why that scene, the way it went down, is so good.Well put :biggrin:

IYou are missing something, clearly this book isn't for you, I would suggest Wolverine and the Power Pack. Lol. Sorry, but, lol.

Sorry, I get a little iffy when people bitch about Laura. :redface: :tongue:

EDIT: Just wanted to add... Laura HAS brains. She's not dumb or stupid. In fact since a young child, her inelegance was always "off the charts". Cyke sent her on a mission. For the first 13 years of her life (give or take), she was taught to complete that mission, at all costs. And was, to put it mildly, beaten to a pulp (along other things) if she failed. So that's what she knows. She was sent after Rismen by Cyke, and ordered to take him out. Then things went wrong with Rahne etc and Logan comes in, has a go at her for reasons she doesn’t understand. She was all for killing Rahne at first, then she remembered what Logan had said, not fully understanding, she didn't know what to do. She just knew Logan didn't want Rahne hurt. So she did nothing. And let Rahne shred her. What Logan said to her did get to her, but confused her, as she was never permitted to have human emotions for 13 years.

That's the way I saw it anyway.
And, yeah, like I said, I get iffy when people bitch about Laura. :tongue:

[The Cool Thatguy]

I was gonna say that! The Cool Thatguy, Did you miss thats scene?

EDIT: Just wanted to add... Laura HAS brains. She's not dumb or stupid. In fact since a young child, her inelegance was always "off the charts". Cyke sent her on a mission. For the first 13 years of her life (give or take), she was taught to complete that mission, at all costs. And was, to put it mildly, beaten to a pulp (along other things) if she failed. So that's what she knows. She was sent after Rismen by Cyke, and ordered to take him out. Then things went wrong with Rahne etc and Logan comes in, has a go at her for reasons she doesn’t understand. She was all for killing Rahne at first, then she remembered what Logan had said, not fully understanding, she didn't know what to do. She just knew Logan didn't want Rahne hurt. So she did nothing. And let Rahne shred her. What Logan said to her did get to her, but confused her, as she was never permitted to have human emotions for 13 years.



Scene that heavy handed, who could miss it?

And how is about to kill Rahne acting with any brains? Rahne at that point in time was their only lead on Risman. Instead of getting mauled, she could have thrown the fight and followed Rahne, or at least subdued her for later interogation. So where's her operational intelligence?

[CMBMOOL]

I must say Laura bring in the Cuckoos for Exlir must show that she does care about the wishes that her friends make for her. :redface:

So it proves that there is some humanity left within her, right ? :redface:

[LawGiver]

Scene that heavy handed, who could miss it?

And how is about to kill Rahne acting with any brains? Rahne at that point in time was their only lead on Risman. Instead of getting mauled, she could have thrown the fight and followed Rahne, or at least subdued her for later interogation. So where's her operational intelligence?

She wasn't going to act without orders and at the time no orders were given because they had Angel to deal with.

[The Cool Thatguy]

She wasn't going to act without orders and at the time no orders were given because they had Angel to deal with.

So...highly trained operatives need orders to think? I thought she was raised a weapon.

[LawGiver]

So...highly trained operatives need orders to think? I thought she was raised a weapon.

You really can't be this dense.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Yeh, I was really not bum-bashing this series before, but this issue means it's replacing Uncanny for the now.

I don't fully buy the Cuckoos being a better ally than Josh - the Cuckoos can't be controlled, certainly not by Cyclops, and I think their pragmatism overweighs even their hatred of Emma, but I do like that they are in on this book; the tone suits their style.

I'm actually liking Warren for the first time since he actually became Death. I wanna see moar Hepz and moar Selene. And I wonder, is this setting up the resurrected villains as line-wide toybox or have C&C got dibs?

[The Cool Thatguy]

You really can't be this dense can you?

You editted out that Corky reference pretty quick, Lawgiver. I'm impressed.

And it's you guys who're taking me and my statements out of context. I was simply remarking how, for a trained from birth killer, X-23 isn't that good. Stabbing things seems to be all she can really do. Not a complex position, I think.

[LawGiver]

You editted out that Corky reference pretty quick, Lawgiver. I'm impressed.

And it's you guys who're taking me and my statements out of context. I was simply remarking how, for a trained from birth killer, X-23 isn't that good. Stabbing things seems to be all she can really do. Not a complex position, I think.

Yea, I didn't think you warranted it. No one is taking your statement out of context, we are simply disagreeing with you, providing explanations and reasons for why she acted the way she is. I don't think anyone is stretching to explain or reason away her actions either, so I'm confused as to how you don't see it the way we do, since again I'm being repetitive, it seems pretty clear.

[chickrockguitar]

Scene that heavy handed, who could miss it?

And how is about to kill Rahne acting with any brains? Rahne at that point in time was their only lead on Risman. Instead of getting mauled, she could have thrown the fight and followed Rahne, or at least subdued her for later interogation. So where's her operational intelligence?It's not nothing to do with "brains". There I was just stating that she's known to be intelligent. Read the "X-23: Innocence Lost" and "X-23: Target X" Trades.

What I meant, by "She was all for killing Rahne at first", was, that Rahne was about to kill her (or at last try) and Laura was about to strike back, but as I said, she remembered what Logan had bawled her out for, and stopped. From what I got from that was, Laura was trying to act like Logan wanted her to. React to the situation with her emotions and not as a Machine. If Logan hadn't come at her, I think the Rahne/Laura scene would have gone very differently.

Regarding "Instead of getting mauled, she could have thrown the fight and followed Rahne, or at least subdued her for later interogation", I would think that Rahne had been programmed with so much rage (Re: Warren's wings) or something that Laura was unable to subdue her, and lost the fight. X-23 is part of the Weapon X program (well a version of it), she's strong, yes, but not unkillable - or unkock-out-able (Not that that's a word, lol. But you get what I mean).

The big thing about Laura, and the thing that you have t get to get her, is She's joined the X-Men and she's confused. She was raised as a weapon. Without emotions. Now she's surrounded by people WITH emotions and humanity, and it's confusing for her. It doesn't make her dumb. She's just trying to piece it all together, and isn't doing very well. I'd think, it's like, in certain situations, she's torn between the rules she’s been raised by and the rules of humanity and the X-Men. Even though this IS X-Force.

Perhaps I'm not completely right. And perhaps I sometimes seem give her more emotions that she in fact has, I don't know, you'd have to ask C&C about that. I mean, we have seen how she thinks, and it is kinda machine like. But that's the take I get. It's my two cents on her.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yea, I didn't think you warranted it. No one is taking your statement out of context, we are simply disagreeing with you, providing explanations and reasons for why she acted the way she is. I don't think anyone is stretching to explain or reason away her actions either, so I'm confused as to how you don't see it the way we do, since again I'm being repetitive, it seems pretty clear.

You're not disagreeing with me, though. You're simply replying to an arguement that I'm not making.

I know why she acted like she did. The scene was as nuanced as a sledge hammer. I'm argueing that both before and after, X-23 acted like an idiot. Mostly because the plot demanded it, but I've seen little to indicate that it was terribly out of character for her/this series.

[LawGiver]

You're not disagreeing with me, though. You're simply replying to an arguement that I'm not making.

I know why she acted like she did. The scene was as nuanced as a sledge hammer. I'm argueing that both before and after, X-23 acted like an idiot. Mostly because the plot demanded it, but I've seen little to indicate that it was terribly out of character for her/this series.

We're arguing she's not an idiot.

[The Cool Thatguy]

We're arguing she's not an idiot.

So leaving someone you're convinced has been compromised alone is a sign of wisdom?

[LawGiver]

So leaving someone you're convinced has been compromised alone is a sign of wisdom?

At the time, there was no other option. X-23 doesn't seem to operate like you would like, she's not a Navy Seal, basically she's a damn Terminator, she's a machine, she doesn't create her own missions, she has to be given them.

[The Cool Thatguy]

At the time, there was no other option. X-23 doesn't seem to operate like you would like, she's not a Navy Seal, basically she's a damn Terminator, she's a machine, she doesn't create her own missions, she has to be given them.

And that's being an idiot, just waiting for a disaster to occur. Hell, I've seen Terminators who were more clever than Laura!

[LawGiver]

And that's being an idiot, just waiting for a disaster to occur. Hell, I've seen Terminators who were more clever than Laura!

No it's not being an idiot, it's idiotic coming from a normal perspective yes, but when you go at from how she was raised, how she has always operated, it makes perfect sense why she did what she did. Laura's actions were not idiotic. No one else could act they had to make sure Archangel wasn't going to cut them to shreds.

[The Cool Thatguy]

No it's not being an idiot, it's idiotic coming from a normal perspective yes, but when you go at from how she was raised, how she has always operated, it makes perfect sense why she did what she did. Laura's actions were not idiotic. No one else could act they had to make sure Archangel wasn't going to cut them to shreds.

I'm not thinking from my perspective. I'm thinking from what should be hers. A highly trained weapon who's taught the ins and outs of the spy and assassin trade.

[LawGiver]

I'm not thinking from my perspective. I'm thinking from what should be hers. A highly trained weapon who's taught the ins and outs of the spy and assassin trade.

Have you read her mini's? She's not James Bond.

[jarrod]

A highly trained weapon who's taught the ins and outs of the spy and assassin trade.
She needs Sage to show her the way.

[chickrockguitar]

Like I said, the whole Rahne thing. It was what Logan said to her. It threw her. If that had not gone down like that she may well have handled Rahne differently.

And, yeah, she's NOT James Bond. Well said.
You need to read her Mini's. You can't understand everything Laura is just from X-Force.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Have you read her mini's? She's not James Bond.

And that's my point. She's only good for stabbing things.

[LawGiver]

And that's my point. She's only good for stabbing things.

I disagree, but then that's been obvious since the first post in here.

[chickrockguitar]

I disagree, but then that's been obvious since the first post in here.Yeah. I think I give up also. :rolleyes:

[RoguishGurl]

I'm not thinking from my perspective. I'm thinking from what should be hers. A highly trained weapon who's taught the ins and outs of the spy and assassin trade.

I don't think you have any idea of what Laura's perspective is. Right now her emotions seem to be conflicted. And yes she was trained to kill and be a good assassin, but she was also trained to follow orders. I took that scene with Rahne as if she was following Logan's orders. To protect Rahne. To die for Rahne.

And do you actually think that Rahne would've let Laura follow her in the state that Rahne was in? Seriously, she would've fought Laura until she was sure that she was down.

[pariah-1972]

Maybe this is too complicated for you to understand.

She's been struggling with her humanity since she was brought into NXM, Wolverine is trying to remind of that, his whole reasoning for not wanting her to be on this team is because it would set back any psycological progress they made with her. He is still trying to keep from having her revert to an emotionless killing machine. That is why that scene, the way it went down, is so good.Thats something i've been wondering if Wolverine is worried about her emotional stability why is she still on the team?
It's not like Wolverine to just say yes to Cyclops especially if he knows better.

And it's not like shes neccarily needed on the team.

[beserkerclaw]

Im a huge Wolverine but when this book came out i was like oh no not another book with him in it:smile: but I was gonna get it anyway. and what do you know i consider it the best X-men book being made right now. Wolverine and X-23 perfect choice. Rhane and Jimmy I thought Really? but it could work. And Warren ans angel and Archangel that is intriging. all 7 issues were awesome the writers have made the book really enjoyable and Domino coming in is a good move. the Brotherhood of Evil Humans:biggrin: is awesome and is a nice way to bring them back. plus Vanisher and the Legecy Virus is welcome. I am intirged about Demon Bear coming back and what Ghost Rider has to do with this. 10/10 i give this book.

[podmark]

What concerns me, is they (C&Y) have hinted that Elixir could be the next Magneto (if he goes all dark) and then had him snap out of it thanks to Loa (heh)…. Do you really want that sort of kid on X-Force???? Seriosuly

The interesting is that scene is actually referring to Prodigy, or at least also talking about him. It's an curious piece of foreshadow that shows no sign of being picked up again (which I'm ok with).

I love Choi's art work as much as the next guy, but I really think he'd be better suited for Uncanny. What if we took Choi, sent him to Uncanny, took Deodato from Wolverine Origins and put him on this book? Get the guy who did the Moon Knight issues after Finch left to do Origins?

Not a big fan of Deodato. I'd actually be quite happy if we got Crain and Choi rotating for a good long while. I have doubts that will happen though.

[lockerogue]

I love that Elixir's hair is bleached, bleached blonde now. Its hot.

[Hakael]

The interesting is that scene is actually referring to Prodigy, or at least also talking about him. It's an curious piece of foreshadow that shows no sign of being picked up again (which I'm ok with).
.

How do you know there are no signs? The Cuckoos are making appearances in X-Force, and that incident you've described, if I'm recalling correctly, was a result of them propositioning David to reactivate his residual memories from when he had powers. They set that into motion. Who says they're not up to anything shady now?

[podmark]

How do you know there are no signs? The Cuckoos are making appearances in X-Force, and that incident you've described, if I'm recalling correctly, was a result of them propositioning David to reactivate his residual memories from when he had powers. They set that into motion. Who says they're not up to anything shady now?

Possible, but those scenes could have nothing to do with it just as easily. So until there some more definitive evidence I'm assuming it's not in play.

Also the David goes evil idea was really just one panel where he is coincidentally looking a little creepy and while the onscreen caption implies Elixir (who is not on-panel) could become the next Magneto under the X-Men's nose. We were informed that was intentional, and the timing of the issue probably meant that C&C already knew they were leaving the book so it's very curious. The reasons for his evil turn are not existent because its just one isolated panel, so the appearance of the Cuckoos doesn't really relate to this at the moment. Every appearance of David since that shot have shown no signs of any evilness either, so currently it doesn't seem to be in play, but who knows what the future holds.

[RickyD410]

How do you know there are no signs? The Cuckoos are making appearances in X-Force, and that incident you've described, if I'm recalling correctly, was a result of them propositioning David to reactivate his residual memories from when he had powers. They set that into motion. Who says they're not up to anything shady now?

Hmm... C&C did say there was a reason that the Cuckoos were going left and right super-powering people. First Elixir, then Prodigy. Thats another dangling C&C NXM plot thread. Maybe they'll work on it a bit here as well??

[frog]

Hmm... C&C did say there was a reason that the Cuckoos were going left and right super-powering people. First Elixir, then Prodigy. Thats another dangling C&C NXM plot thread. Maybe they'll work on it a bit here as well??

Questions are being solicited for C&C at the end of the CBR Infernus article. Might be a good thing to ask about?

[just another user]

My favourite part was when Wolfsbane bit Cyclops
Actually the whole comic was great. <3 it.

[nikbackm]

My favourite part was when Wolfsbane bit Cyclops
Actually the whole comic was great. <3 it.


I must have missed that, wasn't it Wolverine?

[just another user]

I must have missed that, wasn't it Wolverine?

Well don't I feel foolish :redface:
In my mind it's still Scotty

[steve2275]

better hope pete doesnt find out bout that legacy vial

[just another user]

better hope pete doesnt find out bout that legacy vial

Wouldn't you prefer it if he did? Might be a good story for him, his reactions would be interesting, and he'd probably get to smash somebody.

Then the cuckoos could mindwipe him afterwards.

[Lukecage]

I must have missed that, wasn't it Wolverine?
Yep. Cyke was on the other side of the glass handling Warren.

[Sean Walsh]

I'm really glad I kept buying this after #6.

Choi's art works here mainly because of Crain's art before him in #1-6. On another book, I'd probably groan and not enjoy the vast change in style. But since the style of this book has already been define by Crain, he fits very well here.

And I love Love LOVE all the old '90s stories and plots coming back here. The Phalanx, Bastion, Archangel and now the Legacy Virus....fun stuff.

[KJ_81]

I wasn't sure how Choi's style would work here, but it was fantastic IMO.

Very happy with it. :)

[nikbackm]

Well don't I feel foolish :redface:
In my mind it's still Scotty

I think Scott got a bit cut up by Archangel's blades if that help. :biggrin:

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Did they say outright Warpath was going to New Mexico to find his family home? Because that is totally wrong, Warpath and Thunderbird were from Camp Verde, a real town in Arizona, not any where in New Mexico.

[LawGiver]

Did they say outright Warpath was going to New Mexico to find his family home? Because that is totally wrong, Warpath and Thunderbird were from Camp Verde, a real town in Arizona, not any where in New Mexico.

Well he was travelling South from Colorado, where Angel's home was. I'm not familiar with the roads in that area but I assume you don't have to travel through New Mexico to get to Arizona. I would say they might have gotten that wrong.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Well he was travelling South from Colorado, where Angel's home was. I'm not familiar with the roads in that area but I assume you don't have to travel through New Mexico to get to Arizona. I would say they might have gotten that wrong.

Yeah, it would be a weird way to go, I grew up in the area, and there are highways that go through the four corners area that would make more sense going to Camp Verde. Hopefully they won't mess up and say he is from New Mexico, perhaps he took the scenic route.

[rwsmith]

Ronnie:

When are you going to make some X-Force themed cartoon drawings (like the Avengers ones you used to post here)?

[mikekerr3]

Well he was travelling South from Colorado, where Angel's home was. I'm not familiar with the roads in that area but I assume you don't have to travel through New Mexico to get to Arizona. I would say they might have gotten that wrong.

Depends ot the weather and the road, heading down through NM can make perfect sense.

God, Do I miss NM:frown:

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Ronnie:

When are you going to make some X-Force themed cartoon drawings (like the Avengers ones you used to post here)?

I'm working my way through the Avengers and all of the Initiative stuff right now, but I do have several X-Men characters on my to do list, including X-23 and Warpath. No clue when I'll be done though, I have a lot of Avengers/Initiative pictures penciled that I still need to ink and color.

Depends ot the weather and the road, heading down through NM can make perfect sense.

God, Do I miss NM:frown:

That is true, there are situations where it could make sense. My all time favorite road sign is in New Mexico, it reads "Gusty Winds May Exist." The phrasing makes it sound a lot more philosophical and deep than most road signs, it always made me smile.

[Scavenger]

X-Force (vol. 3) #7

Thoughts:

Choi's art is astounding. . . .

The writing? Man, does this continue to set the stage for every major X-conflict for the forseeable future. . . .

The characterization is solid, poignant where it needs to be, and still funny in others. Every character is given a chance to shine.

I'll go 9/10, and not feel like I'm gushing. 8.5, I might say in a week, but I'm thinking I'll say 9.



What's X-Force doing being the best of the X-Books this month...that's not right...this was a Liefeld created title...WTF? The world has gone topsy turvy...

[LawGiver]

What's X-Force doing being the best of the X-Books this month...that's not right...this was a Liefeld created title...WTF? The world has gone topsy turvy...

This was a Chris Yost and Craig Kyle created title. That is why it's the best.

[psycwave]

This was a Chris Yost and Craig Kyle created title. That is why it's the best.

Indeed....

[Scavenger]

Im a huge Wolverine but when this book came out i was like oh no not another book with him in it:smile: but I was gonna get it anyway. and what do you know i consider it the best X-men book being made right now..

This is the Wolverine I grew up reading. Not the "My only thought is that I like beer--grr grrrr kill kill" crap one showing up in other books. This is the somewhat world weary, conscience of the team "If someone needs killing, you call me...the other X-Men should remain bloodless" of the Claremont/JRjr era.

[rwsmith]

Spot on, man! Wolverine works perfectly as the leader of this team. I wouldn't care if they pulled him out of Astonishing and Uncanny just so long as he remains leader of X-Force.

[Chris Yost]

Thanks everyone for the kind words on 7. Trust us, we're just getting started. The X-Position thing will be up next week, but there's a ton of good stuff coming.

And then there's the big stuff you don't even know about yet.

Thank you all for reading!
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[DeniseXfrost]

^thank you for The Cuckoos cameo. They're such ungratefull brats :D

[just another user]

Thanks everyone for the kind words on 7. Trust us, we're just getting started. The X-Position thing will be up next week, but there's a ton of good stuff coming.

And then there's the big stuff you don't even know about yet.

Thank you all for reading!
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Thank you for being Awesome!

This book delivers on every level :smile:

[psycwave]

Bedlam is going to make his appearance soon. I just know it.:frown:

[Pach!]

Personally I want to thank Chris for the return of everyone's fave female purifier...Mary the Purifier. or maybe she's just my favorite

http://i35.tinypic.com/15clc8j.jpg

[rwsmith]

Thanks everyone for the kind words on 7. Trust us, we're just getting started. The X-Position thing will be up next week, but there's a ton of good stuff coming.

And then there's the big stuff you don't even know about yet.

Thank you all for reading!
c

Thanks for coming here and checking in with the fans. X-Force continues to kick all kinds of ass!

Now that I've buttered you up, can you possibly just come out and tell us if any of this "good stuff" coming up might involve Cable? The rumors have been circulating for awhile now and a couple of hints have been dropped. Inquiring minds want to know...:confused:

[worstblogever]

Thanks everyone for the kind words on 7. Trust us, we're just getting started. The X-Position thing will be up next week, but there's a ton of good stuff coming.

And then there's the big stuff you don't even know about yet.

Thank you all for reading!
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I'm not just blowing smoke, that was seriously a good epilogue to the first arc, and the surprises keep coming. Nobody saw the Cuckoos as a solution, or part of how Scott is keeping Emma out of his X-Force plans, but it's so obviously brilliant.

Then there's all the villainy in the background, and deep character moments just, I salute you, sir, with the full AC/DC "For Those About to Rock" and all that.

[pariah-1972]

I find it hard to believe that Emma doesn't know about X-force unless she never looks into Scott's mind anymore.

And even so i doubt very much she would care.

[Omega Alpha]

I find it hard to believe that Emma doesn't know about X-force unless she never looks into Scott's mind anymore.

And even so i doubt very much she would care.

For one thing, Scott has lived with telepaths long enough to know how to hide a thought here or there. And second, it's debatable even if she does look in his mind (both in X-men pre-Messiah and in Cable recently it's clear she doesn't), and in anyway she has more standards with his than with anyone else's.

[frog]

For one thing, Scott has lived with telepaths long enough to know how to hide a thought here or there. And second, it's debatable even if she does look in his mind (both in X-men pre-Messiah and in Cable recently it's clear she doesn't), and in anyway she has more standards with his than with anyone else's.

Then what was Emma doing in smack in the middle of Scott's dream about Jean in the Savage Land vacation issue?


Ehh, just read what WBE said. Nevermind!

[podmark]

I'm working my way through the Avengers and all of the Initiative stuff right now, but I do have several X-Men characters on my to do list, including X-23 and Warpath. No clue when I'll be done though, I have a lot of Avengers/Initiative pictures penciled that I still need to ink and color.


I love your art Ronnie. More X stuff would be great, but I love the Initiative stuff alot too.

Thanks everyone for the kind words on 7. Trust us, we're just getting started. The X-Position thing will be up next week, but there's a ton of good stuff coming.

And then there's the big stuff you don't even know about yet.

Thank you all for reading!
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Chris, you and Craig's work never ceases to amaze me. You two might be favorite writers at the moment. I'm very exciting about this big stuff you've been hinting at. Will we get any more hints in the X-Position.

Personally I want to thank Chris for the return of everyone's fave female purifier...Mary the Purifier. or maybe she's just my favorite

http://i35.tinypic.com/15clc8j.jpg

Is that her name? Couldn't remember if she was named or not, but I love how C&C keep using recognisable Purifiers like her and the Doctor.

[psycwave]

Its official. X-force is greatness personified.

[Chris Yost]

In scripts, we actually refer to her as 'Mary the Pure'. She was in issue 3 of X-Force as well, retrieving Hodge and Lang.

Anyone who pins Emma to the floor with a knife and survives X-23, we think will be around for a while.

[psycwave]

In scripts, we actually refer to her as 'Mary the Pure'. She was in issue 3 of X-Force as well, retrieving Hodge and Lang.

Anyone who pins Emma to the floor with a knife and survives X-23, we think will be around for a while.

Hell yeah. 'Mary the Pure' has something serious coming for her.

[Patrion]

In scripts, we actually refer to her as 'Mary the Pure'. She was in issue 3 of X-Force as well, retrieving Hodge and Lang.

Anyone who pins Emma to the floor with a knife and survives X-23, we think will be around for a while.

For sure!

I just wanted to say that I'm loving X-Force! You guys are awesome and I hope you stick around for-EVER! X-Force is currently my #1 book! Enough lips to butt, I have one request and one question! Can we please have Choi and Oback draw more shirtless guys in future issues and do you have any plans for obscure characters to join the team, soon or in the long run?

[psycwave]

Im sure Chris and Kyle have plans for Jesse Bedlam to join the team, they just want me to rip out my eyes before they admit it. Why do you torture me Chris?!?!:frown: :redface:

[chickrockguitar]

Can we please have Choi and Oback draw more shirtless guys in future issuesHell, although I do like Crain's art, can we have Choi and Oback draw more ISSUES period! :tongue:

#7 Rocked! #1-#6 where awesome, but #7 was the "wow". I can't wait for the rest of this arc. Next month is just too far away.

Congrats to the entire book's team for an awesome awesome series. The best Marvel book out there right now. Keep it up! :biggrin:

[cgar]

X-Force is way more awesome then Uncanny. I want Psylocke stuck in X-Force with Choi not Uncanny with Land. Anyways that scene where Rhane see's Angel and is crying but then straight up gets savage in wolf form. Thats one of my fave's. Also the one with the triplets.

[Riful#]

Hell, although I do like Crain's art, can we have Choi and Oback draw more ISSUES period! :tongue:

#7 Rocked! #1-#6 where awesome, but #7 was the "wow". I can't wait for the rest of this arc. Next month is just too far away.

ITA.

This issue was just pure awesomeness. Every page = orgasmic. Loved also having an issue focused heavily towards character interaction, while still having plot lines being set up. Can't wait for the next issue.

[psycwave]

I wish Hepzibah was still on this team. I wanna see her gettin her slice and dice on,plus i would like to see the dynamic etween her and Warpath after all the killing was done and he started feeling remorse.

[$5 Milkshake]

And even so i doubt very much she would care.

You know, I dont get that at all. Why WOULD Emma care? X-Force seems like something she would be behind 100%. It doesnt make much sense to me to keep her in the dark.

[Imraith Nimphais]

...a deep, long, warm, happy and (very) appreciative...
SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIGH!

[ExodusCloak]

In scripts, we actually refer to her as 'Mary the Pure'. She was in issue 3 of X-Force as well, retrieving Hodge and Lang.

Anyone who pins Emma to the floor with a knife and survives X-23, we think will be around for a while.

I always wondered about that? How did she do that? Does she have like have super strength or is she like super heavy to keep Diamond Emma pinned? Unlike the incident in WWH: X-Men where her arms and bottom half were drilled into the ground thus couldn't gain any leverage, the scene in New X-Men #27 basically had Mary sitting on her top half. She could have still moved both her legs and should have been able to move her arms. Unless Vibranium metal forces her to lose her Diamond powers.

[nikbackm]

I always wondered about that? How did she do that? Does she have like have super strength or is she like super heavy to keep Diamond Emma pinned? Unlike WWH: X-Men she could have still gained leverage from that position.

The knife was made of vibranium which supposedly disrupted Emma's diamond form and made her bleed. The chock from that should have weakened her somewhat.

[ExodusCloak]

The knife was made of vibranium which supposedly disrupted Emma's diamond form and made her bleed. The chock from that should have weakened her somewhat.

I've read something like that somewhere recently? Can't remember where and wasn't sure if I didn't make that up in my head? I think it also said something about vibranium metal that makes contact with her Diamond skin makes her lose her Diamond abilties and the superhuman attributes that come with it.

[Imraith Nimphais]

well...It's a good thing T'Challa is Storm's husband...(or, maybe not... considering...hehehe)

[Brett P]

Read this last night and it really reminds me of when the realisation hit that C&C's New X-Men was turning into something really special. As the cast starts to round out and the plot escalates in scope you start to realise that this is going to be one wild, amazing ride.

The issue was pretty much flawless, both writing and art. There were a few coloring issues (Elixirs hair looked grey, Archangels skin was a little too bright and I didn't like Cyke's weird red visor near the end) and I'm not really sure why Cykes face was covered in plasters the day after his struggle with Warren seeing as Elixir is right there with them to heal him, but those niggles aside, really nothing bad to say. I do hope Josh and the Cuckoos stick around.

The only problem I have is how Cyclops is going to explain why the X-Men aren't going after all these resurrected X-Villains, seeing as they're all over the tv...the scope of this really is too big to be confined to one secret team. Uncanny seems pretty juvenile right now compared to this.

[Zombie Uatu]

I continue to love X-Force. It's still the most well-thought and mature x-book, and uses continuity (IMO) even better than Legacy does.

But I did have one problem with this issue - I swear to God (or Wanda Maximoff) that Vanisher was depowered! I can't get to my long boxes right now to dig the issue out, but wasn't there an X-Men Unlimited story that showed his criminal empire had collapsed because he was depowered, and that he'd decided to start building it again, from the bottom up? I was looking forward to seeing a depowered Vanisher as a major adversary for X-Force. I'm still looking forward to it, but I really thought he'd lost his powers. Anyone shine any light on this for me?

[Foxy Gogo]

Dang, this ish was wicked! Choi, can you please stay on this book, like, forever? You draw the best X-23, yo!

[psycwave]

I can't wait to see Choi or Crain's Bedlam.....*delirium that Jesse Bedlam will join the new X-force grows*