If you're not reading Cable, you should!

[John Lynch]

So I wasn't able to pick up Cable from issue 1 unfortunately. However I did pick up issue 6, and while it didn't wow me I felt it was certainly good enough to warrant checking out the next issue. However I just read issue 1 and it was great! I'm looking forward to the future issues much more now.

So if you haven't checked out Cable yet, check out issue 1 for free (http://www.marvel.com/digitalcomics/titles/CABLE.0000.1). It definitely looks like this series is a keeper.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I actually don't think that Cable is be any means as bad as some people have suggested. I understand that some don't like the arc, but I don't think it's badly written. I'm just not sure where the book will go, or ultimately whether it will actually matter. By rights the MC baby should be a big deal, but to only be exploring her story in a satellite title like this does suggest otherwise.

But the story so far has flowed along quite read-ably. I hope it continues to do so.

[Leirus]

I need to feel some direction in Cable... what is the book going to be about? Bishop vs Cable forever? It is supposed to last about 15 issues while the girl growns up and comes back to do what she is supposed to do as a Mutant Messiah?

[TeamED209]

I thought the first few issue's were pretty bad...I got up to four i think and i think those four could have been done in two issue's the pacing was awful especially considering the momentum from messiah complex,also the art got boring very quickly for me..

[Eye in the Sky]

So I wasn't able to pick up Cable from issue 1 unfortunately. However I did pick up issue 6, and while it didn't wow me I felt it was certainly good enough to warrant checking out the next issue. However I just read issue 1 and it was great! I'm looking forward to the future issues much more now.

So if you haven't checked out Cable yet, check out issue 1 for free (http://www.marvel.com/digitalcomics/titles/CABLE.0000.1). It definitely looks like this series is a keeper.

Unless of course you don't like it.

[JoshuaCee]

The reason I dropped Cable (after 3 issues) was that it bored me to tears. I love the Lone Wolf and Cub concept, but the execution wasn't my cup of tea. Things were just moving too slowly for my liking, and I think I actually fell asleep reading one of the issues. :tongue:

[frog]

I don't think that Cable is badly written, it simply hasn't held my interest because it's been centered on two characters (Goo doesn't count until she develops a personality) that do the same exact thing over and over. Neither Cable or Bishop are among my favorites so it takes interaction with the X-Men to draw me in. There has to be more connection to the present time for this book to work for me.

Plus the artwork is a little too plastic looking for my taste.

[worstblogever]

Darn.

I'm reading Cable, and I have no clue what to do about it.

[John Lynch]

Unless of course you don't like it.How can you not like it if youhaven't checked out Cable yetThat makes no sense. Or did you not read the title of the thread rather then the post you quoted? ;)

[rwsmith]

Sorry, but I disagree. I was so pumped for this series when they announced it at Baltimore Comic-Con this time last year, but little did I know it would be a romp through the space-time continuum with Bishop pursuing Cable into pointless dystopian future landscape after pointless dystopian future landscape. They need to change direction with this book, and fast!

Pick up the pace, get to the end-game (with regards to Cable's constantly leaping forward in time and supposedly "having a plan"), and then bring he and the baby back to the present. Hook him back up with the X-men and make him matter again. Until that happens, I will continue to ignore this book's very existence.

[metalgorgomon]

I think issue #6 is a great starting point for the series.
Issue #1-5 were unnecessary, IMO.

[nikbackm]

I think issue #6 is a great starting point for the series.
Issue #1-5 were unnecessary, IMO.

Pretty much. You could also make the same point for Young X-Men.

[HeckBoy]

I read thru the first issue but decided to put it back. Cable (esp. gun totin' Cable) was just never really my cup of tea. However, the crossover back w/ the regular timestream might get me to pick up an issue or two. Although, I still get the feeling that won't really lead to any big changes.

[metalgorgomon]

Pretty much. You could also make the same point for Young X-Men.

Yep.. that's what I thought :D
Different problems though, one had decompressed stories and the other had a not-so-great-mystery story for the first arc.

IMO, People who really want to check Cable, should start with #6 and the King Size. Nothin' really happened in issue #1-5.

[B. Kuwanger]

I think issue #6 is a great starting point for the series.
Issue #1-5 were unnecessary, IMO.

Really. I dropped it at #3 and I'm starting to get back into it, but I'm not going back for the issues I missed. They were unremarkable, stretched thin, and not very easy on the eyes.

[pariah-1972]

I think i read one issue and knew it was going to be a long boring slog.

Unfortunately i got suckered into the Giant Size issue cause i thought things might be going somewhere.

Boy that was a waste.


Anyways this book is not horrible just boring and pointless this could easily be fixable if the writer wanted it too.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Are you related to David Lynch? Cos this thread's surreal.

[Agent_Torpor]

Pretty much. You could also make the same point for Young X-Men.

YXM is unsalvageable.

At least Cable has a competent writer at the helm. YXM has no such luxury. Cuz.

[WhitePhoenix]

I like Cable, but I just would like to have some idea as to where its going to go. I mean, he can only be chased for so long before something has to give.

[Red Lotus]

I have been reading Cable and I had to drop this book. The only issue that I like was the one with Cyclops the rest were pretty bad. I was starting to like Cable again untill i picked this book now I really dont care about him.

[jarrod]

Wake me when we get there.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[sneggz]

Wake me when we get there.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

LOL, thats how I feel about this title now. Cable is one of my faves, and I gave this book a try. The static cardboard looking art and static story have been a total turnoff. Every issue is practically a rehash of what happened the issue before. Ive read people call it a "cat and mouse" story, but you can only write so many issues before cat and mouse becomes pointless.

Unless its slapstick Tom and Jerry style, of course.

[justinkos91]

Didn't like the art from the first Cable arc that took place after Messiah Complex
Why not the guy who did the art for Cable and Deadpool?
The guy who did the Cable book should stick with Punisher, seems more suitable

[Brett P]

I usually can't stand Cable...but I love this book.

I don't think it's been slow or boring at all, it's been a great story to me. That said, I did get behind in my reading and therefore had issues 3-5 to read together. I also think the art is amazing. Quite frankly I'm stunned at how disliked the book seems to be. For me, it's better written and better looking than just about all of the other X-books atm, except maybe X-Force for the art and X-Factor for the writing.

[pariah-1972]

I usually can't stand Cable...but I love this book.

I don't think it's been slow or boring at all, it's been a great story to me. That said, I did get behind in my reading and therefore had issues 3-5 to read together. I also think the art is amazing. Quite frankly I'm stunned at how disliked the book seems to be. For me, it's better written and better looking than just about all of the other X-books atm, except maybe X-Force for the art and X-Factor for the writing.People usually expect there story arcs to go somewhere after a couple issues.

[rwsmith]

Yup. That, and I just hate how disconnected the character is from the rest of the Marvel Universe. As Daniel Way put it when he described Cable's last series (Cable/Deadpool), "it was just too easy to ignore." When a book is out on the periphery and doesn't really matter, fans tend to ignore it. I mean, don't get me wrong, this type of thing can work for a story arc or two, but not as the entire premise for an ongoing series!

Take the "Old Man Logan" futuristic story arc in Wolverine, for example. That works because it's for one 8-issue story arc, and Logan is still showing up in other places in the present day Marvel U (i.e., he's not completely disconnected from everything else that's going on). Plus it doesn't hurt that you've got Mark Millar writing it and Steve McNiven drawing it. Regardless, my point stands.

In order to fix Cable, he needs to come back to the modern era and be the X-men's very own "paramilitary strike force" (to quote Mike Carey).

[Brett P]

People usually expect there story arcs to go somewhere after a couple issues.

Yup. That, and I just hate how disconnected the character is from the rest of the Marvel Universe. As Daniel Way put it when he described Cable's last series (Cable/Deadpool), "it was just too easy to ignore." When a book is out on the periphery and doesn't really matter, fans tend to ignore it. I mean, don't get me wrong, this type of thing can work for a story arc or two, but not as the entire premise for an ongoing series!

Take the "Old Man Logan" futuristic story arc in Wolverine, for example. That works because it's for one 8-issue story arc, and Logan is still showing up in other places in the present day Marvel U (i.e., he's not completely disconnected from everything else that's going on). Plus it doesn't hurt that you've got Mark Millar writing it and Steve McNiven drawing it. Regardless, my point stands.

In order to fix Cable, he needs to come back to the modern era and be the X-men's very own "paramilitary strike force" (to quote Mike Carey).

The series just started, it's still in it's set up phase. But I personally much prefer this to having Cable as just another member of just another X-Group anyway.

I guess I don't really mind the fact that so far it's pretty much just Cable on the run from Bishop...I never really cared for either character so I'm not missing them in the main books...this is just extra for me. I guess I can understand why fans of the charcter might be frustrated that he's disconnected...but it's only been 6 issues and atleast he's the star of a monthly book! Which is more than I can say for alot of my favourite characters..*eyes sadly drift to sig*

[DeadXMan]

I really think it's the art that is hindering the book

[rwsmith]

To further expand on my last comment:

In order to fix Cable, he needs to come back to the modern era and be the X-men's very own "paramilitary strike force" (to quote Mike Carey).

If Marvel asked me to come in and tell them how to "fix Cable" (i.e., make him a popular character again), I would implement the following plan:

1) Bring Cable back to the present with the Messiah baby (obviously). I intend to make him the ultimate hard-ass, but to juxtapose that with his role as surrogate father to this little girl. Kind of like Ares with his young son. It makes for a fun dynamic IMO.

2) Put him in charge of X-Force (though it pains me to take this job away from Wolverine, Nate needs it more in order to mount a comeback). Basically, X-Force would be sent on a mission by Cyclops without Logan because he's off with the New Avengers or something at the time. During that mission they find Cable and the baby, who have returned to the present. Nathan assumes leadership of the team, and it pretty much just sticks from there. Perhaps we even throw in the obligatory "fight for leadership" between Cable and Wolverine with Nate winning (in a close fight)? That could be fun IMO.

3) Cable also shows up in Uncanny from time to time, as he and the baby live in the new headquarters/base in order to better protect her (though they are more guest-stars in this book, particularly Cable who spends a lot of his time on solo adventures in his own book and leading X-Force). When he's off on missions, the X-men care for the baby.

4) Have the character start showing up in other places besides the X-books. Originally Cable was a thorn in the sides of both SHIELD and Department H. I'd go back to this, and have his solo missions see him at odds with Iron Man, the Initiative, the Mighty Avengers, etc., perhaps even teaming up with other Marvel characters like Spider-man and the New Avengers on occasion.

5) I'd also have X-Force show up in other places from time to time. I'm reminded of some early issues of X-Force where they fought the Juggernaut. Well, how about a run-in with the Red Hulk?

Basically I'd just put the guy smack-dab in the middle of the Marvel Universe and have him start kicking all kinds of ass again. In some ways I suppose I'm just taking some of the many hats that Wolverine currently wears and giving them to Cable. But, hey, it seems to work for the little guy, now doesn't it? :wink:

[pariah-1972]

The series just started, it's still in it's set up phase. But I personally much prefer this to having Cable as just another member of just another X-Group anyway.

I guess I don't really mind the fact that so far it's pretty much just Cable on the run from Bishop...I never really cared for either character so I'm not missing them in the main books...this is just extra for me. I guess I can understand why fans of the charcter might be frustrated that he's disconnected...but it's only been 6 issues and atleast he's the star of a monthly book! Which is more than I can say for alot of my favourite characters..*eyes sadly drift to sig*^ 6 issues that have not made any progress story telling wise at all.


That's far too deconstructed for most peoples tastes and is a waste of most peoples hard earned money by not telling a story that goes from a to b to c.

I think the monotomy is gonna break very soon tho... i mean Bishop just landed in the present and the baby is almost talking now.

[DeadXMan]

exatly it looks like it is going to pick up

I wouldn't mind if cable lands in a future were Apoc is in charge again

[pariah-1972]

exatly it looks like it is going to pick up

I wouldn't mind if cable lands in a future were Apoc is in charge againI would prefer him to come back so we can get some answers about the messiah baby.

And also see Bishop get his ass kicked,

[metalgorgomon]

If Marvel asked me to come in and tell them how to "fix Cable" (i.e., make him a popular character again), I would implement the following plan:

1) Bring Cable back to the present with the Messiah baby (obviously). I intend to make him the ultimate hard-ass, but to juxtapose that with his role as surrogate father to this little girl. Kind of like Ares with his young son. It makes for a fun dynamic IMO.

2) Put him in charge of X-Force (though it pains me to take this job away from Wolverine, Nate needs it more in order to mount a comeback). Basically, X-Force would be sent on a mission by Cyclops without Logan because he's off with the New Avengers or something at the time. During that mission they find Cable and the baby, who have returned to the present. Nathan assumes leadership of the team, and it pretty much just sticks from there. Perhaps we even throw in the obligatory "fight for leadership" between Cable and Wolverine with Nate winning (in a close fight)? That could be fun IMO.

3) Cable also shows up in Uncanny from time to time, as he and the baby live in the new headquarters/base in order to better protect her (though they are more guest-stars in this book, particularly Cable who spends a lot of his time on solo adventures in his own book and leading X-Force). When he's off on missions, the X-men care for the baby.

4) Have the character start showing up in other places besides the X-books. Originally Cable was a thorn in the sides of both SHIELD and Department H. I'd go back to this, and have his solo missions see him at odds with Iron Man, the Initiative, the Mighty Avengers, etc., perhaps even teaming up with other Marvel characters like Spider-man and the New Avengers on occasion.

5) I'd also have X-Force show up in other places from time to time. I'm reminded of some early issues of X-Force where they fought the Juggernaut. Well, how about a run-in with the Red Hulk?

Basically I'd just put the guy smack-dab in the middle of the Marvel Universe and have him start kicking all kinds of ass again. In some ways I suppose I'm just taking some of the many hats that Wolverine currently wears and giving them to Cable. But, hey, it seems to work for the little guy, now doesn't it? :wink:


I think Marvel thinks that Cable is already a popular character. Hence giving him a (solo) book and cashing some more money.

That and maybe the idea of an old-badass-guy travelling to the varies number of (alternate) future with a baby seemed like a good idea.

[DeadXMan]

I would prefer him to come back so we can get some answers about the messiah baby.

And also see Bishop get his ass kicked,

bishop is gonna get his ass kick next issue

if the kid comes back she'll be in the care of scott and Emma.

They really don't have a great record of keeping kids safe.

[pariah-1972]

bishop is gonna get his ass kick next issue

if the kid comes back she'll be in the care of scott and Emma.

They really don't have a great record of keeping kids safe.This is true but noones stopped them yet from training teenagers .

[DeadXMan]

This is true but noones stopped them yet from training teenagers .

only becuase teenagers are stupid.

if they had any real sense they would of continued the ass beating Santo gave Scott in YX#6

then hook up with Chuck who has a lower fatality rate or Magneto who would have a perfect record if it wasn't for the legacy virus

[kate-pryde]

I'd say if you're reading Cable, your wasting your time and money.

Cable has been an utter disappointment. The writing is bad and the art is horrible.

Cable needs to return to the present. Why take the kid to the future anyway?

[pariah-1972]

I'd say if you're reading Cable, your wasting your time and money.

Cable has been an utter disappointment. The writing is bad and the art is horrible.

Cable needs to return to the present. Why take the kid to the future anyway?To keep her away from all the people that want to use her.

I don't think anyone was expecting Bishop to get ahold of any time travelling tech,

[John Lynch]

I'd say if you're reading Cable, your wasting your time and money.If its not for you that's fine. But being so dismissive of other people's opinions is hardly necessary.

[Brett P]

Just read King Size and LOVED it. I never thought that CABLE would be one of my favourite X books...but it really is!

[ANewHope]

I happen to really like Bishop and Cable as characters, as I've read both of their origin stories.

Maybe it was the fact that I waited until i had issue 1-5 until I read them all in one sitting. But what had me sold, was the moment when you could see the phoenix in the baby's eyes at the start of issue 5.

This series has turned into an essential Jean-Grey story. How ironic that her son would be responsible for protecting his own mother as the mutant messiah.

In the future, Jean has the capability to grow up a whole lot faster than if the baby was stuck in the present.

It's the whole "I want it now attitude", i can't wait for something astounding to happen. For those of you that want answers immediately, they'll come but you have to be patient. And I know its hard to be patient during a recession, but I enjoyed the entire first 5 issues immensely.

I suppose not all books pay off, but this one has for the time being. This has turned into an essential Jean Grey story, starring Cable, a soldier lost in time.

[frog]

I happen to really like Bishop and Cable as characters, as I've read both of their origin stories.

Maybe it was the fact that I waited until i had issue 1-5 until I read them all in one sitting. But what had me sold, was the moment when you could see the phoenix in the baby's eyes at the start of issue 5.

This series has turned into an essential Jean-Grey story. How ironic that her son would be responsible for protecting his own mother as the mutant messiah.

In the future, Jean has the capability to grow up a whole lot faster than if the baby was stuck in the present.

It's the whole "I want it now attitude", i can't wait for something astounding to happen. For those of you that want answers immediately, they'll come but you have to be patient. And I know its hard to be patient during a recession, but I enjoyed the entire first 5 issues immensely.

I suppose not all books pay off, but this one has for the time being. This has turned into an essential Jean Grey story, starring Cable, a soldier lost in time.

If that baby turns out to be Jean Grey I will be so repelled that I'll never want to pick this book back up.

[worstblogever]

If that baby turns out to be Jean Grey I will be so repelled that I'll never want to pick this book back up.

I might drop any title that references it, altogether.

[timbox]

I hope the baby is Jean with full Phoenix Force powers. She can walk/talk and do everything that Jean/Phoenix can do, but she stays in baby form.

It would be so creepy and gross.

[frog]

I hope the baby is Jean with full Phoenix Force powers. She can walk/talk and do everything that Jean/Phoenix can do, but she stays in baby form.

It would be so creepy and gross.

What's creepy and gross is Cable changing her diapers!

[timbox]

What's creepy and gross is Cable changing her diapers!

Oh I like that part. So does Cable.

[rwsmith]

It's looking more and more like the baby is some reincarnated version of Jean. Which would officially make the Summers family the most f@#$ed up family in Marvel Universe. Ever!

As if they weren't bad enough already, now the son of Cyclops and Jean's clone who was raised in the future by an alternate version of his half-sister will raise the woman his mother was cloned from! WTF!? :eek: :rolleyes:

[ANewHope]

I might drop any title that references it, altogether.

That's what made it such a great image. Jean Grey wasn't specifically referenced, all we saw was the reflection of the phoenix in the baby's eyes for 1 panel. Then the story continued.

[Henry T.]

The child either levitated or teleported into the tree in King Sized Cable.

The writer basically confirmed on his blog that it was a clue.

[ClanAskani]

if the kid comes back she'll be in the care of scott and Emma.

They really don't have a great record of keeping kids safe.

Duane heavily implied in this podcast interview (http://www.comixology.com/featured/2008/09/17), that when Cable and the "baby" return, she'll be all grown up.

So Scott built the crib for nothing....

[rwsmith]

Jeez...how old will Cable be by then?

[pariah-1972]

It's looking more and more like the baby is some reincarnated version of Jean. Which would officially make the Summers family the most f@#$ed up family in Marvel Universe. Ever!

As if they weren't bad enough already, now the son of Cyclops and Jean's clone who was raised in the future by an alternate version of his half-sister will raise the woman his mother was cloned from! WTF!? :eek: :rolleyes:Lol i should really quote that.


Good job figuring out that family tree.

(by the way love youre avatar)

[jarrod]

The child either levitated or teleported into the tree in King Sized Cable.

The writer basically confirmed on his blog that it was a clue.
Well, Jean, Madelyne and Rachel would all be capable of that. :/


Jeez...how old will Cable be by then?
Cable's age is complete LOL... I fetishize figuring out the various X-ages and even I'm afraid to try with Nate. He should really already be in his late 40s or early 50s at least, if he raises Goo to say late teens, are we looking at late 60s/70s?! :/

[Brett P]

It's looking more and more like the baby is some reincarnated version of Jean. Which would officially make the Summers family the most f@#$ed up family in Marvel Universe. Ever!

As if they weren't bad enough already, now the son of Cyclops and Jean's clone who was raised in the future by an alternate version of his half-sister will raise the woman his mother was cloned from! WTF!? :eek: :rolleyes:

LoL. Awesome :biggrin:

I don't mind if it turns out to be Jean.

#7 next week, woo!

Well, Jean, Madelyne and Rachel would all be capable of that. :/



Cable's age is complete LOL... I fetishize figuring out the various X-ages and even I'm afraid to try with Nate. He shoudl really already in his 50s at least, if he raises Goo to say 15, are we looking at late 60s/70s?! :/

Is she not aging at an accelerated rate? She's waking and talking already!

Also, why "Goo"?

[Henry T.]

As of Cable #7, Little Girl is 4 and a half years old. Cable won't give her a name.

[Frank]

I predict we will see more of those kind of books with Axel Alonso in charge of the X-Men line. Except for Carey, Brubaker/Fraction(wich he never got to pick), Alonso always recruit his writers from outside the mainstream comic medium. The transfer from the novels/screenwriting/indie scene to super-hero comics rarely works because these writers are used to writing something a certain way and draws things way too much, way too long and it gives these decompressed stories that are almost unreadable. Super-hero stories must have a certain beat, the right amount of action and information given to the reader to work best. Marvel should bring back guys that knew how to do that.

[pariah-1972]

I predict we will see more of those kind of books with Axel Alonso in charge of the X-Men line. Except for Carey, Brubaker/Fraction(wich he never got to pick), Alonso always recruit his writers from outside the mainstream comic medium. The transfer from the novels/screenwriting/indie scene to super-hero comics rarely works because these writers are used to writing something a certain way and draws things way too much, way too long and it gives these decompressed stories that are almost unreadable. Super-hero stories must have a certain beat, the right amount of action and information given to the reader to work best. Marvel should bring back guys that knew how to do that.Do these people even exist anymore?

[frog]

Also, why "Goo"?

It's what she said to Gambit after he snatched her from Mystique at the end of Messiah Complex and for lack of a real name it stuck.

[rwsmith]

Cable's age is complete LOL... I fetishize figuring out the various X-ages and even I'm afraid to try with Nate. He should really already be in his late 40s or early 50s at least, if he raises Goo to say late teens, are we looking at late 60s/70s?! :/

Well, this does lend more credence to the rumor that Cable will send back a younger, more militant version of himself to the present. Perhaps with a fully grown up "Goo."

I'm thinking he keeps jumping forward until he encounters this reality's version of himself. Since he has no telepathy anymore, maybe he just transmits all of his memories to the other, younger version of himself through his techno-organics (thereby ensuring that his younger self knows everything his older self knows). Then, "new Cable" and "Goo" go and jack a time machine and come back to the present, and Cable joins X-Force. Makes sense to me.

[pariah-1972]

Cable joining X-force would totally rule but i can't see that happening since Cable doesn't usually take orders from anyone including his own father.

Cables a leader not a follower.:tongue:

[rwsmith]

Yeah, good point. But I wonder what else they would do with him if he came back? Put him in the mix of rotating cast members in Uncanny perhaps?

[pariah-1972]

Yeah, good point. But I wonder what else they would do with him if he came back? Put him in the mix of rotating cast members in Uncanny perhaps?I don't know is his solo book gonna be done soon?

It does seem he might make an appearance in Uncanny with Scotts baby obsession but i can't see him actually joining the team.

[rwsmith]

Something in my bones tells me he'll be back sometime in the next year and will be joining X-Force. There was that rumor awhile back, and then Duane Swiercynski dropped some vague hints on his blog that after this current arc we still haven't seen the last of Cable and X-Force together.

Time will tell, I guess, but I hate waiting to find out. Nathan joining up with X-Force will have such a drastic impact in terms of team chemistry and dynamics (much more so than the additions of Archangel and Domino). I mean, it's like you said, I don't see him taking orders from Scott or Wolverine. So will he completely take over? He might not even be coming back at all, but I just wish someone would confirm it one way or the other so I would stop wondering.

[pariah-1972]

Something in my bones tells me he'll be back sometime in the next year and will be joining X-Force. There was that rumor awhile back, and then Duane Swiercynski dropped some vague hints on his blog that after this current arc we still haven't seen the last of Cable and X-Force together.

Time will tell, I guess, but I hate waiting to find out. Nathan joining up with X-Force will have such a drastic impact in terms of team chemistry and dynamics (much more so than the additions of Archangel and Domino). I mean, it's like you said, I don't see him taking orders from Scott or Wolverine. So will he completely take over? He might not even be coming back at all, but I just wish someone would confirm it one way or the other so I would stop wondering.It's really kind of ironic in a way cause there was one time were he was telling the main x-men that they need to be more pro-active and they didn't want to hear it at all.


so it would be pretty cool if he took over the team that he started and has the same ethos as him.