I want an Xbox 360 but on the fence . . .

[the_coldest_sun]

I want an Xbox 360 but on the fence in giving myself the OK to just spend the money and buy one. I realized there are only a handful of games that I really want to play on the system, and what I'm asking for is any recommendations for great games I may have overlooked. Considering your selections could persuade me to finally get an Xbox 360.

Here's my want list:
-Bioshock
-Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
-Grand Theft Auto IV

Now I really wanted to buy the system for Bioshock but with news of the game coming out for Playstation 3, I'm starting to reconsider buying that instead (since I'm also a fan of Metal Gear Solid series). The 3 games listed above are also available for PS3 and again I'm looking for game recommendations that might push me towards one system over the other.

The only future titles I'm also looking forward to are Resident Evil 5 and Silent Hill Homecoming, but again I hear they also will be available for both systems.

(BTW, I'm not a fan of Halo).

[Agent Helix]

Mass Effect is a pretty big exclusive from last year. Very solid action RPG. Lots of people like Gears of War, and the sequel is coming out soon.

Strangely, most of the big JRPGs that hit the U.S. are 360 exclusives, like Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia.

The thing is, exclusivity is kind of a dying reason to pick up a console these days, as it's almost nonexistent by now. The 360 certainly has an overall larger library, and in many cases developers that are making games for both systems are doing better with the 360 hardware due to previous experience, making those versions slightly better. Do you want to play games online with your friends? If so, I'd get the system that the majority of your friends have. Do you have a high definition setup and want Blu-Ray? Get the PS3 and save yourself the money you'd spend on a separate player.

It's just hard to really recommend one system over the other on the basis of exclusives alone.

[the_coldest_sun]

Thanks Agent. I just noticed the other thread about upcoming games to look foward to and I completely forgot about Left 4 Dead. Okay, my mind's made up. Xbox 360 it is!

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Crackdown
Kameo
Gears of War
Tales of Vesperia
Mass Effect
Dead Rising
Too Human

Those are all good to great exclusives(a couple are on PC).

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Thanks Agent. I just noticed the other thread about upcoming games to look foward to and I completely forgot about Left 4 Dead. Okay, my mind's made up. Xbox 360 it is!

The defeintely looks good, but it will be on pc also so another strike against it for me. Few 360 games I think are worth playing are on the pc also and the others are cross platform. Like mass effect, gears of war and now this Ill always get on the pc since I can crank up the resolutions, turn on more graphic effects and have better time doing online with the pc. Hell if I really wanted to I could get a 360 controller for my pc if I wanted. Not to mention pc games are alot less expensive.

It will be on the ps3 eventually though I am sure of it, only reason it isnt now is because doug from valve for some reason does nothing but fanboy bitch and moan about the ps3 everytime he turns around. He eventually bent and put orange box on the ps3 though.

Anyway the only strictly 360 only game I ever played that was actually worth it was dead rising.

[the_coldest_sun]

Crackdown
Kameo
Gears of War
Tales of Vesperia
Mass Effect
Dead Rising
Too Human

Those are all good to great exclusives(a couple are on PC).

Dead Rising! I forgot about that game too. I always wanted to play it. Thanks for the list.

The defeintely looks good, but it will be on pc also so another strike against it for me. Few 360 games I think are worth playing are on the pc also and the others are cross platform. Like mass effect, gears of war and now this Ill always get on the pc since I can crank up the resolutions, turn on more graphic effects and have better time doing online with the pc. Hell if I really wanted to I could get a 360 controller for my pc if I wanted. Not to mention pc games are alot less expensive.

But decent video cards are pretty expensive. My PC's motherboard doesn't have PCI-e so I'm currently stuck with a GeForce 6200 AGP card (yikes!).

It will be on the ps3 eventually though I am sure of it, only reason it isnt now is because doug from valve for some reason does nothing but fanboy bitch and moan about the ps3 everytime he turns around. He eventually bent and put orange box on the ps3 though.

Anyway the only strictly 360 only game I ever played that was actually worth it was dead rising.

Dead Rising again. Cool. Well I just got home from Wal-Mart and picked up the Pro version along with Bioshock. =) A friend of mine lent me his employee discount card so I was able to get everything (+groceries) for 10% off. The crazy thing is the Xbox 360 rang up for 259.99 BEFORE discount!! The price tag on the box shows it listed for 299.99, so I guess it was Fate's way of telling me it was meant to be. I couldn't be happier. :biggrin:

Again, thanks for all the input guys. I'll definately check out those other games.

[Donald M.]

Well, you've already made your decision, but a couple more games to remind you of . . .

Since you're clearly into RPGs, Fable 2 is looking pretty sweet and is 360 exclusive. Then there's Fallout 3, but if you have a PC that can run it (Thankfully I do, don't know about you.) then PC is the format of choice. Cheaper, better graphics and assuming Fallout 3 conforms to the Elder Scrolls model, a robust modding community.

Also since you're interested in GTA IV, check out Saint's Row (A decent, 360 exclusive GTA clone that can be got now on the cheap) and it's upcoming (non-360 exclusive) sequel, both of which embody the wackiness that GTAIV shied away from in an effort to embrace a grittier and more realistic atmosphere.

Oh and enjoy your 360! When it came time for me to buy a new console I got the 360, no thought, no hesitation and have not regretted it.

[SecretIDPodcast]

I would also highly recommend the Orange Box on 360. Half-Life 2, Eps. 1-2, Portal and Team Fortress 2 make this one a must-have. Word is that there will be a patch before the end of the year which adds all of the class upgrades and maps that the pc has gotten.

I think you can get it used for about $25 now.

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Saw this on kotaku today saying some retailers have left 4 dead listed as ps3 game. Of course this isnt fact yet.....
http://kotaku.com/5053359/uk-retailers-list-left-4-dead-for-ps3-valve-in-denial

Then there is the article from official playstation magazine from awhile ago saying it would happen and in all issues Id read since then they didnt list it as a retraction or a error.
http://kotaku.com/5032476/opm-left-4-dead-coming-to-ps3

1up.com also reported on this.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169142

But I am giving it a 90% chance its gonna happen. Valve did this same song and dance with orange box and it still came out, infact they did it before with half life on the ps2.

And of course electronic arts is publing the retail versions of it so you know they will be pushing for system wide release if possible considering how much they love the cash.

[Donald M.]

I would also highly recommend the Orange Box on 360. Half-Life 2, Eps. 1-2, Portal and Team Fortress 2 make this one a must-have. Word is that there will be a patch before the end of the year which adds all of the class upgrades and maps that the pc has gotten.


Which, by the way, you'll have to pay for while all that stuff is free on the PC.

Once again, if you have a PC that can run it, why would you buy the console version?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Which, by the way, you'll have to pay for while all that stuff is free on the PC.

Once again, if you have a PC that can run it, why would you buy the console version?

Not everyone likes PC gaming.

Aside from that, having a good enough PC isn't always enough. I couldn't tell you how many times I've purchased a game that I far exceeded the requirements for, and still couldn't get good performance out of it, no matter what I tried(and if you try to tell me it's cause I need to patch or update my drivers I will choke you). PC gaming can be an absolute pain and an exercise in frustration.

Console gaming, I shove the disc in, and that's it. No tweaking, no DRM, no spending hours with technical support and on forums to try and get my game to work.

[the_coldest_sun]

Thanks for all the new posts, guys. I'll keep taking game recommendations as long as you keep giving them. PC gaming isn't an option for me considering my computer's hardware. It's very dated and upgrading would require buying a new PC altogether.

As far as Fable 2 goes, you can check out my post on the thread pertaining to the game. It describes my absolute hatred of the first game so I think I'll pass on the sequel. =P

Orange Box caught my eye before so I'll definately give that a try. Haven't played any previous Fallout games but the new game looks pretty cool and interesting. When I heard about the hype for this game, I questioned "Why is everyone going so ape-shit over a racing game?" (I was thinking of Burnout, hehe).

I listed one* RPG as a game of interest so I found it funny that you thought I was "clearly" into RPGs. Not that you're wrong, mind you. =) I used to love the hell out of them, but lost my faith in the genre a few years ago. Tales of Vesperia doesn't look like my type of game, but the word of mouth and reviews of it make it worth a try. *Edit: Forgot Mass Effect is considered an RPG, my bad.

Thus far, my to-get list:
Grand Theft Auto IV
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Orange Box
Dead Rising
Left 4 Dead
Fallout 3
Mass Effect
Resident Evil 5
Silent Hill: Homecoming
Tales of Vesperia
Crackdown

Others I've considered are the Comdemned series and Alan Wake (which I read abuut a LONG time ago). Are these any good? I tried to find new info on Alan Wake but no release date can be found. Is that game in development hell or has it been dropped altogether?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

I played the first Condemned when it was new, I really liked it. Never played the sequel.

[Lester C.]

I want an Xbox 360 but on the fence in giving myself the OK to just spend the money and buy one. I realized there are only a handful of games that I really want to play on the system, and what I'm asking for is any recommendations for great games I may have overlooked. Considering your selections could persuade me to finally get an Xbox 360.

Here's my want list:
-Bioshock
-Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
-Grand Theft Auto IV

Now I really wanted to buy the system for Bioshock but with news of the game coming out for Playstation 3, I'm starting to reconsider buying that instead (since I'm also a fan of Metal Gear Solid series). The 3 games listed above are also available for PS3 and again I'm looking for game recommendations that might push me towards one system over the other.

The only future titles I'm also looking forward to are Resident Evil 5 and Silent Hill Homecoming, but again I hear they also will be available for both systems.

(BTW, I'm not a fan of Halo).


If those are the game you really want the defintive versions of them are on the PC. This goes tripple for Oblivion as you have a very active mod comunity for that game.

[the_coldest_sun]

If those are the game you really want the defintive versions of them are on the PC. This goes tripple for Oblivion as you have a very active mod comunity for that game.

But decent video cards are pretty expensive. My PC's motherboard doesn't have PCI-e so I'm currently stuck with a GeForce 6200 AGP card (yikes!).

PC gaming isn't an option for me considering my computer's hardware. It's very dated and upgrading would require buying a new PC altogether.

Thanks though. =)

[Lester C.]

Thanks though. =)

If Erik Larsen were here he'd tell you to buy a PC. (Not really I just love your avatar.:redface: )

[Donald M.]

Not everyone likes PC gaming.

Aside from that, having a good enough PC isn't always enough. I couldn't tell you how many times I've purchased a game that I far exceeded the requirements for, and still couldn't get good performance out of it, no matter what I tried(and if you try to tell me it's cause I need to patch or update my drivers I will choke you). PC gaming can be an absolute pain and an exercise in frustration.

Console gaming, I shove the disc in, and that's it. No tweaking, no DRM, no spending hours with technical support and on forums to try and get my game to work.

I'm sorry to hear that. Never been a problem for me.

[Agent Helix]

Alan Wake is vaporware. Don't hold your breath waiting for it.

[jessecuster3]

As far as 360, don't forget all of the XBLA titles plus the Xbox Originals.

In the last month, I have played more XBLA games than I have of store bought games.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

And dude, please add Gears Of War 2 to that list of yours. Especially since it is not coming to PCs.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

It's pretty likely GoW2 will get an eventual PC port.

[Xero Kaiser]

It's pretty likely GoW2 will get an eventual PC port.

If it's anything like GoW1, you're better off with the 360 version

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, the word came from Bleszinski himself. Anyway, we'll see.

[Donald M.]

As far as Fable 2 goes, you can check out my post on the thread pertaining to the game. It describes my absolute hatred of the first game so I think I'll pass on the sequel. =P


I wasn't too big of a fan of the first Fable either. This one looks . . . better. I'm definitely on the fence though. We'll see.

I listed one* RPG as a game of interest so I found it funny that you thought I was "clearly" into RPGs. Not that you're wrong, mind you. =) I used to love the hell out of them, but lost my faith in the genre a few years ago. Tales of Vesperia doesn't look like my type of game, but the word of mouth and reviews of it make it worth a try. *Edit: Forgot Mass Effect is considered an RPG, my bad.


Not that big a leap. Oblivion is not a game I can see appealing to anyone who doesn't like RPGs.

[StoneGold]

Console gaming, I shove the disc in, and that's it. No tweaking, no DRM, no spending hours with technical support and on forums to try and get my game to work.

There's plenty of DRM in consoles. It's just built into the console itself.

That said, there's more to look at beyond exclusives.

With 360, you get online that actually works, a much more active online userbase, what is currently a more robust downloadable content store, Achievements and the ability to play Divx movies you illegally downloaded without converting them.

With the PS3 you get built-in Blu-ray and free online. I'd bring up the motion controls, but everyone hates those, and Play hasn't really kicked off yet. Same thing with the trophies.


There's also the DLC issue. 360 has a lot more exclusive DLC, from free Rock Band tracks, to the GTA IV bonus content, to Braid. Really, if you're in it for GTA IV, you might want 360 just for the exclusive bonus content.


If you want to split it up though, here's the deal - 360 has better online. PS3 has Blu-ray. They both have exclusives, but most multi-plat stuff either looks exactly the same or ever-so-slightly better on 360. That said, you have to pay for the 360 online, and don't buy an older used system, because it's more likely to crap out on you.

[StoneGold]

Oh, and PC limps along on 5 year old software for the most part. It's all World of Warcraft and Sims. If you don't mind playing the same multiplayer game over and over and over again, it's great, but not much to play that's new.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

There's plenty of DRM in consoles. It's just built into the console itself.



Let me rephrase: No DRM that keep me from playing my legal copy of the game because it decides it doesn't like my PC/Vista/whatever.

**** you, Spore.

[jessecuster3]

Oh, and PC limps along on 5 year old software for the most part. It's all World of Warcraft and Sims. If you don't mind playing the same multiplayer game over and over and over again, it's great, but not much to play that's new.

Except if you love RTSes or FPSes and then you can pretty much only play on a PC.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Except if you love RTSes or FPSes and then you can pretty much only play on a PC.

There are tons of great FPS on consoles, and they play just fine.

[Tadhg]

Oh, and PC limps along on 5 year old software for the most part. It's all World of Warcraft and Sims. If you don't mind playing the same multiplayer game over and over and over again, it's great, but not much to play that's new.

You keep saying that but that doesn't make it true.

[jessecuster3]

There are tons of great FPS on consoles, and they play just fine.

But how are they just fine? With Aim Assist or do you need PC peripherals(such as mouse and keyboard) to play them better?

[Donald M.]

There are tons of great FPS on consoles, and they play just fine.

Sure, as long as you never play on live against someone playing on a PC . . .

[Astonishing X-Fan]

But how are they just fine? With Aim Assist or do you need PC peripherals(such as mouse and keyboard) to play them better?

Neither. I've never had any issue with dual control sticks, and people greatly overrate the advantage of a keyboard/mouse in a FPS.

Just because a keyboard/mouse setup is a bit better doesn't mean the controller is bad. FPS games are fun and perfectly controllable on consoles, with controllers. If they weren't, the genre wouldn't be so popular in the console market.

RTS games I'll give you...the way these games work, doing it without a mouse is taking a huge step backwards. The same is far from true of shooters.

[Tadhg]

Neither. I've never had any issue with dual control sticks, and people greatly overrate the advantage of a keyboard/mouse in a FPS.

Just because a keyboard/mouse setup is a bit better doesn't mean the controller is bad. FPS games are fun and perfectly controllable on consoles, with controllers. If they weren't, the genre wouldn't be so popular in the console market.

RTS games I'll give you...the way these games work, doing it without a mouse is taking a huge step backwards. The same is far from true of shooters.

Because there's aim-assist. I can't think of a console FPS that doesn't have it. That's not to take away from the enjoyment of the genre on the console, but they do lack the precision of the Keyboard+mouse combo.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Because there's aim-assist. I can't think of a console FPS that doesn't have it. That's not to take away from the enjoyment of the genre on the console, but they do lack the precision of the Keyboard+mouse combo.

I haven't played a console fps with non-optional aim-asist in a LONG time. I'm interested to know which games you're trying to say have it. Off the top of my head I know I've played Resistance, Halo 3, Bioshock, and The Orange Box on my 360 without it.

Anyway, the point is that it's stupid to say you need to game on a PC for the FPS genre, just because the mouse is somewhat more precise. Just because the PC controls are good does NOT mean the console controls are BAD. FPS games are very, VERY playable on the console and have been for a long time. If the controls were as bad as some people imply, the FPS would not have become such an immensely popular genre on consoles as it has.

FPS games benefit from a PC control scheme, but the benefit isn't as large as people make it out to be. Hell, I'd gladly give up a small amount of precision if it means I can hold a controller in my hands as I lean back on my couch, instead of needing to hunch over a table.

[Xero Kaiser]

Sure, as long as you never play on live against someone playing on a PC . . .

You did on Shadowrun. And the PC players weren't dominant at all.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

To get back on topic: The 360 is a damn fine console, and as someone who owns all three current gen systems, I'd say it's the best. It's a good buy, especially with the recent price drop.

[StreetFighterRyu]

Neither. I've never had any issue with dual control sticks, and people greatly overrate the advantage of a keyboard/mouse in a FPS.

Just because a keyboard/mouse setup is a bit better doesn't mean the controller is bad. FPS games are fun and perfectly controllable on consoles, with controllers. If they weren't, the genre wouldn't be so popular in the console market.

RTS games I'll give you...the way these games work, doing it without a mouse is taking a huge step backwards. The same is far from true of shooters.

Of course one of the problems is sensitivity. You have to adjust it in a way that's comfortable enough for you. And sometimes that doesn't help if you want to make a quick turn to the left when there's an enemy right there about to shoot you.

I've gotten used to it though, and it doesn't bother me much.

Because there's aim-assist. I can't think of a console FPS that doesn't have it. That's not to take away from the enjoyment of the genre on the console, but they do lack the precision of the Keyboard+mouse combo.

The thing is, aim-assist can actually make it harder. It was a pain for me when I was focusing on an enemy in front of me, and someone would pass by and the cross hair will follow that guy, making me miss, and the enemy I was about to shoot, killed me first. Sometimes, this can make me suck at FPS games which is why I always have it off.

No thanks. Aim-assist can "assist" someone else who needs it.

By the way, PC FPS games have AA too.

Oh, and PC limps along on 5 year old software for the most part. It's all World of Warcraft and Sims. If you don't mind playing the same multiplayer game over and over and over again, it's great, but not much to play that's new.

There's also Battlefield 1942. Though it's hard to find a good match.

I wasn't too big of a fan of the first Fable either. This one looks . . . better. I'm definitely on the fence though. We'll see.

I was. And hopefully 2 will be good.

If it's anything like GoW1, you're better off with the 360 version

I'm kinda curious so I hope you don't mind me asking. Why?

Anyway, Gears of War 2 seems like a good bet. I would say Saints Row 2, though it's not exclusive, I'm only saying to get it if you want good multiplayer. Unless, as someone mentioned earlier, if the majority of your friends have PSN.

Well, just be prepared for losers in Xbox Live. Especially in the shooters genre.

[Xero Kaiser]

I'm kinda curious so I hope you don't mind me asking. Why?


Lots of bugs. Erratic framerate. 3...maybe 4 people playing the game online. Keyboard+mouse control is actually worse.

[Alex]

Not everyone likes PC gaming.

Aside from that, having a good enough PC isn't always enough. I couldn't tell you how many times I've purchased a game that I far exceeded the requirements for, and still couldn't get good performance out of it, no matter what I tried(and if you try to tell me it's cause I need to patch or update my drivers I will choke you). PC gaming can be an absolute pain and an exercise in frustration.

Console gaming, I shove the disc in, and that's it. No tweaking, no DRM, no spending hours with technical support and on forums to try and get my game to work.
But you have to use a controller for a shooter...ewwww!
Unless it's Gears of War, i don't know how they did that on pc with any level of comfort.

But he's right on the requirments front. I kill the recomendations for Bioshock on pc, and that thing won't run well.

[Tadhg]

FPS games benefit from a PC control scheme, but the benefit isn't as large as people make it out to be. Hell, I'd gladly give up a small amount of precision if it means I can hold a controller in my hands as I lean back on my couch, instead of needing to hunch over a table.

That's a false dichotomy, no?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

That's a false dichotomy, no?

All I'm saying is the benefit of a mouse and keyboard is a small one, and that the benefit is not great enough to make me prefer PC gaming.

[StreetFighterRyu]

All I'm saying is the benefit of a mouse and keyboard is a small one, and that the benefit is not great enough to make me prefer PC gaming.

Only PC shooters I like are SWAT 3 and Vampire The Masquerade Bloodline. They can give some comfort in PC.

[Agent Helix]

Wait, Bloodline isn't a shooter at all.

[Lester C.]

What I love about the 360 is that it caters to me, which is usually a bad sign in a counsole as I'm a hardcore niche gamer. For instance the 360 has an abundant amount of rpgs on it which I love. Not since the Dreamcast and the Saturn have I been so excited about a system whole line of games. See what I mean about me being a bad sign?

[StreetFighterRyu]

Wait, Bloodline isn't a shooter at all.

Meh. Still has the element of a shooter. Not 100%. Actually, very poor. Mostly 'cause they want you to rely on your powers and strength. Still had some shooters in it though.

[Agent Helix]

It had people with guns, but it's nothing close to being a shooter. It's a stat based RPG.

[Lester C.]

I wonder where you guys fall on Mass Effect. Shooter or RPG?

[Xero Kaiser]

EDIT: Damn board needs a delete function

[Astonishing X-Fan]

I wonder where you guys fall on Mass Effect. Shooter or RPG?

It's a hybrid between both.

[StreetFighterRyu]

It had people with guns, but it's nothing close to being a shooter. It's a stat based RPG.

You still shoot. :tongue: But yes, it's a stat based RPG.

Anyway, for Xbox Live Arcade, there's Castle Crashers. (Sorry, if someone already mentioned this, I missed it)

[the_coldest_sun]

UPDATE: I'm currently enjoying the hell out of my Xbox 360. I only bought BioShock for now and am impressed by everything about it. I greatly underestimated the graphics of next generation consoles (the streaming videos online don't do them any kind of justice). Xbox Live is awesome. I just queue up some demo downloads and play BioShock till they're done. It's a great way to test games I'm interested in without shelling out 60 bucks upfront.

So far, I'm happy with my decision. Thanks for all the game recommendations. The list is steadily growing. =)

[StoneGold]

You keep saying that but that doesn't make it true.

You want to show me a PC game sales chart that says otherwise...

[Karl H]

Sadly the Xbox also has the RedRingofDeath which is virtually guaranteed to happen at least once over the market life cycle of the system and the help from Microsoft is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

[Tadhg]

Sadly the Xbox also has the RedRingofDeath which is virtually guaranteed to happen at least once over the market life cycle of the system and the help from Microsoft is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

That's a bit of FUD. It's not virtually guaranteed. We don't have accurate numbers since Microsoft is too embarrassed to release them, but it looks like failures are around 30-40% which is astronomically bad for a piece of consumer electronics but still only 1 out of three to 2 out of five. And Microsoft is pretty helpful. 3 year warranty on the RRoD, UPSed shipping container, refurbished console returned, and license transfer made pretty much as painless as possible.

[Tadhg]

You want to show me a PC game sales chart that says otherwise...


What does a sales chart have to do with "If you don't mind playing the same multiplayer game over and over and over again, it's great, but not much to play that's new."? If a game doesn't reach certain sales threshold it's unplayable?

You've said multiple times how PC gaming is dying, how there're no games coming out besides the Sims and shitty console ports, how there's nothing to play. That's not true. Besides the glut of MMOs, there's quality PC exclusive titles, there's the games that are simultaneously released with the consoles that are higher quality on the PC, there's the "enhanced" ports of games that originally came out on the consoles. There's also a lot of shovelware, crap ports, and just downright awful games.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

If anything is swamped with tons of crappy shovelware, it's the Wii...the PC gets off easy compared to Nintendo's console...which seems to attract lazy greedy developers who love to make bad PS2 ports and slap waggle controls on it.

Anyway, glad to see the OP is enjoying his 360. Bioshock is an awesome game.

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Thanks Agent. I just noticed the other thread about upcoming games to look foward to and I completely forgot about Left 4 Dead. Okay, my mind's made up. Xbox 360 it is!

Today gabe talks about how he wants to support the ps3 more and that EA wants a ps3 version of left 4 dead......so looks like their will be a version of it. I figured there would be.


http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/valve-planning-to-support-ps3-more-and-more/?biz=1

[the_coldest_sun]

Anyway, glad to see the OP is enjoying his 360. Bioshock is an awesome game.

Thanks AXF.

Today gabe talks about how he wants to support the ps3 more and that EA wants a ps3 version of left 4 dead......so looks like their will be a version of it. I figured there would be.


http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/valve-planning-to-support-ps3-more-and-more/?biz=1

Eh, it's no big deal now. Left 4 Dead wasn't really a dealbreaker for me, just another Pro on the Xbox 360 side. Just as long as it's still coming out for the 360, I'm happy.

[StreetFighterRyu]

What does a sales chart have to do with "If you don't mind playing the same multiplayer game over and over and over again, it's great, but not much to play that's new."? If a game doesn't reach certain sales threshold it's unplayable?

You've said multiple times how PC gaming is dying, how there're no games coming out besides the Sims and shitty console ports, how there's nothing to play. That's not true. Besides the glut of MMOs, there's quality PC exclusive titles, there's the games that are simultaneously released with the consoles that are higher quality on the PC, there's the "enhanced" ports of games that originally came out on the consoles. There's also a lot of shovelware, crap ports, and just downright awful games.

You know, maybe if they start selling classic games, it might help a bit. Maybe. I there are some games from the early 90's that I wanted but couldn't find them in stores. Maybe they should start selling them.

[jessecuster3]

You know, maybe if they start selling classic games, it might help a bit. Maybe. I there are some games from the early 90's that I wanted but couldn't find them in stores. Maybe they should start selling them.

Or you could check out GameTap, GoG, Steam and a few others that are specifically catering to the PC crowd for older games.