a Speedy ongoing.... Why the hell not?

[K-DoG7p7]

Seriously.. can anyone give me one good reason why Speedy should not get her own series?

With the solicitation for GA/BC #15 informing us that Mia and Connor are basically out of the series.. it just makes perfect sense to give Mia her own series (with a strong presence of Connor Hawke of course)..

there are just to many reasons for why she should have her own series its almost frightening..

[titanfan]

Seriously.. can anyone give me one good reason why Speedy should not get her own series?

Because Arrowette is the young female archer DC should be pushing?

[K-DoG7p7]

Because Arrowette is the young female archer DC should be pushing?

why .. because she retired in a good storyline and has not shown any interest in returning and if she did would destroy PADs story?

[siuntres]

Not a big Mia fan.

Was rolling my eyes, when she became "Speedy"

[shrike]

I'm OK giving her an ongoing if it will effectively remove her from the GA/BC book.

[Dazzler]

YES. NOW!!

Love Mia!

--Dazz

[Brian Cronin]

Seriously.. can anyone give me one good reason why Speedy should not get her own series?

Does "it would be almost certainly be canceled shortly" count?

-Brian

[Spiffy]

How do you make an ongoing from this?

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[joe27]

With the solicitation for GA/BC #15 informing us that Mia and Connor are basically out of the series.. it just makes perfect sense to give Mia her own series (with a strong presence of Connor Hawke of course)..



They aren't out of the series permanently, the new writer just wants to start his run by focusing on the title characters.

And what's with all the Connor Hawke disrespect? He's to go from being Green Arrow to the sidekick of Green Arrow's sidekick? :mad:

Mia shouldn't get her own series because a funnier, less insufferable version of Stephanie Brown is still a version of Stephanie Brown and there's a little too much Stephanie Brown in the DCU as it is, thank you very much.

What there isn't enough of in the DCU is Connor Hawke. Maybe he could get a series and Speedy could stop by for the occasional filler issue.

[K-DoG7p7]

They aren't out of the series permanently, the new writer just wants to start his run by focusing on the title characters.

And what's with all the Connor Hawke disrespect? He's to go from being Green Arrow to the sidekick of Green Arrow's sidekick? :mad:

Mia shouldn't get her own series because a funnier, less insufferable version of Stephanie Brown is still a version of Stephanie Brown and there's a little too much Stephanie Brown in the DCU as it is, thank you very much.

What there isn't enough of in the DCU is Connor Hawke. Maybe he could get a series and Speedy could stop by for the occasional filler issue.

does 15.000 copies of his miniseries tell you anything?

[K-DoG7p7]

Does "it would be almost certainly be canceled shortly" count?

-Brian

why would it?
and do you really think a character well established in a series that sold more then 80.000 issues for a good while would do so much worse then lets say.. ... Simone Dark that its not even worth a try?

[Lester C.]

Because most people don't give a damn about the character. Don't get me wrong I love Mia, but arguing that she should get her own series was like that one loud mouth idiot troll posting whore Yabster arguing that Creote, Savant and Josh should get their own book.

Creators also don't care about the character. There is a reason why she keeps fading into the background in all three books she's been featured in.

[Brian Cronin]

why would it?
and do you really think a character well established in a series that sold more then 80.000 issues for a good while would do so much worse then lets say.. ... Simone Dark that its not even worth a try?

If Geoff Johns or, in the example you refer to, Kevin Smith, was writing it, sure, I think it could last at least as long as they stay on the book.

Sorta like how Ka-Zar sold respectively so long as Mark Waid and Andy Kubert were on the book.

So no, unless Speedy was given a big-name creative team (or, to rephrase, as Speedy would never be GIVEN a big-name creative team, so if a big-name creative team decided it wanted to do a Speedy comic book, a la Geoff Johns and Booster Gold), it would not do as well as even Simon Dark.

Not a knock on Speedy - she's a neat character.

But Spoiler is another great character, and she couldn't support her own book either.

Hell, Black Canary and Martian Manhunter can't even support solo titles!

-Brian

[Lester C.]

why would it?
and do you really think a character well established in a series that sold more then 80.000 issues for a good while would do so much worse then lets say.. ... Simone Dark that its not even worth a try?

It tells me that you’re wrong on Mia getting her own book but more on that in a minute. When Connor was the star of Green Arrow his book had huge sales, especially by today’s standards. His book wasn’t canceled due to lack of sales but due to Kevin Smith wanting to do a reboot. Then Connor became a supporting character in the book he stared in, not even a fraction of his old fans picked up his new mini. What do you think would happen if Mia were to get her own book a person who have always been a supporting character and a mostly ancillary one at that?

[K-DoG7p7]

What do you think would happen if Mia were to get her own book a person who have always been a supporting character and a mostly ancillary one at that?

the same thing that happened when Robin got his own series.. (thou not on the same level.. I mean.. ROBIN! .. a bit larger you know.. )
there are tones of supporting characters that ended up with their own series that did well..
Also Mia was more featured and has larger storyline in GA then Connor did..
in fact.. Connor didn't actually have any.. he was just there



Hell, Black Canary and Martian Manhunter can't even support solo titles!

How do you know? when is the last time they tried it with either of them?
and stop siting GA/BC sales as the reason why Dinah would never have her own series.. GA/BC is suffering form MAJOR Winick fatigue..

[Lester C.]

the same thing that happened when Robin got his own series.. (thou not on the same level.. I mean.. ROBIN! .. a bit larger you know.. )
there are tones of supporting characters that ended up with their own series that did well..
Also Mia was more featured and has larger storyline in GA then Connor did..
in fact.. Connor didn't actually have any.. he was just there



How do you know? when is the last time they tried it with either of them?
and stop siting GA/BC sales as the reason why Dinah would never have her own series.. GA/BC is suffering form MAJOR Winick fatigue..

Tim Drake as Robin was never a minor supporting character. He receaved three full wildly succesfull miniseries before getting launched into his own book. Dick Grayson on the other hand was a supporting character which is why it took four decades for him to be a part of a team book and almost six decades to get his own book. So judging by the math you should get a Speedy mini around 2050.:tongue:

[K-DoG7p7]

Ok i'm just posting this because this forum is fucking up again and I can't see Lester C's latest post..
Hate it when that happens..
So just ignore this

[K-DoG7p7]

Bumping so i can see posts..

Goddamn CBR forum bugs

[diana_fan]

Mia could never support a title. The best-selling books featuring solo women are Ms. Marvel and Wonder Woman, generally around the Top-50 mark. From there, it's a steep drop.

I love Mia. She rocks, and her introduction was fantastic. But seriously, there's no way she could keep a title going. Unless you had A-level talent, and that's not going to happen on a Speedy book.

Now, a mini? Sure. It doesn't have to do great. It just needs to be there. I see no reason why a mini can't work. And if it does reasonably well, have another mini. But an ongoing? No way.

[Lester C.]

And another thing. Mia hook that I love is that she's an ordinary girl with a troubled past, intelligence to spare and attitude. While I love that in her, she doesn't have a hook to pull audiences in to warrant a book. She not Superman' cousin, wasn't trained since birth to be the ultimate assassin who forsake it all to protect life under the mantle of the bat, isn't a demigoddess who training to be the next woman or Slade Wilson precognetic psycho daughter.And those are the only female teenagers who are gotten or will soon get a mini series from DC.

That said I'd love to see a Speedy Arrowete team up.

[K-DoG7p7]

And another thing. Mia hook that I love is that she's an ordinary girl with a troubled past, intelligence to spare and attitude. While I love that in her, she doesn't have a hook to pull audiences in to warrant a book. She not Superman' cousin, wasn't trained since birth to be the ultimate assassin who forsake it all to protect life under the mantle of the bat, isn't a demigoddess who training to be the next woman or Slade Wilson precognetic psycho daughter.And those are the only female teenagers who are gotten or will soon get a mini series from DC.
That actually one of the BIG selling points..
She's ORDINARY!... kinda.. she has friends.. she goes to school.. shes even the best dancer at school... well.. of the white chicks :P
She has a social life!
Now granted Wondergirl has friends.. but they are all from her life as a crimefighter.. (Cissie and Anita)


That said I'd love to see a Speedy Arrowete team up.
Only by PAD and only if it involves trimetravel..
having said that.. Speedy - The Squire! in 13th century England!