Uncanny X-Men #502 - Summary Thread (Spoilers and Sexual Themes!)

[DeniseXfrost]

Girly-girl!!!

[Bingo!]

Rachel is one of the reasons why I can't vote for the Pro-Life candidate.

LOL!

You, sir, are too much. The offer for a beer next time you're in SF is still open. Maybe we can catch this psychedelic Dazzler show before the conservatives shut it down.

[Novaya Havoc]

God, by existing Rachel Grey hurts us all.


No joke. All should accept this vatic truth. Her mere presence makes Storm look more tranny than Bianchi ever could, and transforms S.A.G.E. into a burlesque tranny mime with turrible eyebrows.

Observe:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/2605_4_0452.jpg


True. I'll be at the center of the riot zone when Obama loses.

I shall give you safety here. Consider this place a "safe space" for all people that appreciate honey-kissed highlights and fashionista eyewear.

[Novaya Havoc]

Rachel is one of the reasons why I can't vote for the Pro-Life candidate.

This almost makes me reconsider my Palin love.

Almost. I need another example. Anything from GeNext would do.

[Monty_Cristo]

Oh for the love of Sarah Palin!

I hate getting involved in these "what the characters really meant" diatribes, but c'mon.

Pixie was just hate-crime'd for what? For being a mutant.

What is one of Pixie's powers? Her hallucinogenic dust.

Dazz -- who knows Pixie admires her -- basically is saying "Own your shit, sister! Come up with me, shake your groove thing, and let's party! Own your gift on stage with me like I own mine!"

Instead this has gone on for pages like Dazzler is all "let's drug the people! Woo! Crack is fab!"

She's trying to empower Pixie about her gift since she was just beat to near hell for simply having it. She's basically saying "Own it, girl! Let's make it happen."

She's pep-talking Pixie. It's not like she's trying to use the kid to peddle a special brand of Pixie crack.



Red Queen gave Empath a pep talk. he's ownin his sht.

[Justin K.]

No joke. All should accept this vatic truth. Her mere presence makes Storm look more tranny than Bianchi ever could, and transforms S.A.G.E. into a burlesque tranny mime with turrible eyebrows.

Observe:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/2605_4_0452.jpg



I shall give you safety here. Consider this place a "safe space" for all people that appreciate honey-kissed highlights and fashionista eyewear.

That cover scares me :frown:

[eurazn]

No joke. All should accept this vatic truth. Her mere presence makes Storm look more tranny than Bianchi ever could, and transforms S.A.G.E. into a burlesque tranny mime with turrible eyebrows.

Observe:

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/2605_4_0452.jpg

Wow. Sage really DOES look awful there. *shudder*

[Novaya Havoc]

That cover scares me :frown:

Is it Tranny-Storm, Tranny-S.A.G.E., Rachel's flabby arms, or a combination thereof?

[darknessatnoon]

LOL!

You, sir, are too much. The offer for a beer next time you're in SF is still open. Maybe we can catch this psychedelic Dazzler show before the conservatives shut it down.

I am sad for Dazzler. She once performed at the glorious Cow Palace and now she's exiled to the East Bay.

I'll be in SF for a weekend in mid-November, so a drink is possible.

No joke. All should accept this vatic truth. Her mere presence makes Storm look more tranny than Bianchi ever could, and transforms S.A.G.E. into a burlesque tranny mime with turrible eyebrows.
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I despise that cover. Sage's face isn't even the same color as her neck. And yes, I noticed your little "eyebrow" barb, Benjamin.

This almost makes me reconsider my Palin love.

Almost. I need another example. Anything from GeNext would do.

Becka Munroe aborting on the toilet and nearly dying is an indication of the sorry position that the Republicans hold on sex education.

[Bingo!]

That cover scares me :frown:

Everything in this picture is wrong. Constipated Storm, tacky Rachel, and geisha face Sage.

[eurazn]

Becka Munroe aborting on the toilet and nearly dying is an indication of the sorry position that the Republicans hold on sex education.

If that isn't enough for you to reconsider Palin, Novaya, I don't know what is.

[Justin K.]

Is it Tranny-Storm, Tranny-S.A.G.E., Rachel's flabby arms, or a combination thereof?

Rachel there sort of resembles Peggy Hill

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Peggy.jpg

Storm, I'm afraid that she' gonna take off that white wig, and tear off her costume only to reveal a wang-doodle down there. As for that Sage, she just looks homely there. why's her face so pale compared to her tan neck?

[Bingo!]

I am sad for Dazzler. She once performed at the glorious Cow Palace and now she's exiled to the East Bay.

I'll be in SF for a weekend in mid-November, so a drink possible.

Aunt Charlie's? They got new vintage porn mags for the walls.

I'll wear my "he's a Tessa, i'm a Rachel" shirt while you're here.

[Novaya Havoc]

If that isn't enough for you to reconsider Palin, Novaya, I don't know what is.

NO!

PALIN FOREVER!!!

I'm putting on my McCain-Palin button right now! I refuse to be an indentured servant!!!!

However. Becka Munroe gives me many LOL moments. As does Rachel. If they had been denied life via abortion, my own life would be emptier as a result.

[Bingo!]

PALIN FOREVER!!!


What Would Hillary Do?

[rajincajun689]

NO!

PALIN FOREVER!!!


haha I get it. It's a joke.

[Eye in the Sky]

haha I get it. It's a joke.

No one mentioned Obama.

[Novaya Havoc]

No one mentioned Obama.

**hugs you close to his ample Palin-like bosom**

[Justin K.]

Since when did UXM #502 turn into a discussion about politics? :confused:

[pariah-1972]

I just think that Dazzler should be a better role model to a naive little foreign girl like Pixie but i understand what you mean by giving her a pep talk.

But the Dazzler i remember was a health fanatic (she did become a aerobics trainer in her graphic novel when she was out of work)

So i can't see her encouraging a young girl to become a living breathing Lsd machine even in liberal San Fan it could get her into all sorts of problems.

[darknessatnoon]

I just think that Dazzler should be a better role model to a naive little foreign girl like Pixie but i understand what you mean by giving her a pep talk.


Tell me how that sentence works.

Is Pixie naive AND little AND foreign AND a girl?

OR

Is she naive BECAUSE she's foreign, and little BECAUSE she's a girl?

[Justin K.]

I just think that Dazzler should be a better role model to a naive little foreign girl like Pixie but i understand what you mean by giving her a pep talk.

But the Dazzler i remember was a health fanatic (she did become a aerobics trainer in her graphic novel when she was out of work)

So i can't see her encouraging a young girl to become a living breathing Lsd machine even in liberal San Fan it could get her into all sorts of problems.

Who knows how much she changed after New Exalibur? :confused:
After being through that mess, I could see why she'd need hallucinogens.
Maybe she does the doobie :wink: since she is a health nut, she's probably going all natural

[Novaya Havoc]

I just think that Dazzler should be a better role model to a naive little foreign girl like Pixie but i understand what you mean by giving her a pep talk.

But the Dazzler i remember was a health fanatic (she did become a aerobics trainer in her graphic novel when she was out of work)

So i can't see her encouraging a young girl to become a living breathing Lsd machine even in liberal San Fan it could get her into all sorts of problems.

She was basically telling Pixie that her gift is something to be celebrated.

To wit: if someone said "Dazzler, strobe yo shit out and make it happen with me!" it doesn't mean they're pro-epilepsy.

She was making her feel like she has a place and -- as a celebrity -- offered her that opportunity to cheer her up.

Jeez.

[Mitsaso]

She was basically telling Pixie that her gift is something to be celebrated.

To wit: if someone said "Dazzler, strobe yo shit out and make it happen with me!" it doesn't mean they're pro-epilepsy.

She was making her feel like she has a place and -- as a celebrity -- offered her that opportunity to cheer her up.

Jeez.
Exactly!

Dudes, I know that Dazzler's return and revamp is BIG, but it doesn't mean we have to overthink and over-analyze that sole one page she's been on so far...! :biggrin: (although I might be interested seeing her as an amoral career-driven primadonna!)

P.S. Benny, you got pm'ed!

[Novaya Havoc]

Exactly!

Dudes, I know that Dazzler's return and revamp is BIG, but it doesn't mean we have to overthink and over-analyze that sole one page she's been on so far...! :biggrin: (although I might be interested seeing her as an amoral career-driven primadonna!)

P.S. Benny, you got pm'ed!

I want to see her throw her cell phone at Cyclops' head, Naomi-style.

[Mitsaso]

I want to see her throw her cell phone at Cyclops' head, Naomi-style.

Well, considering the semi-Millar-istic way Fraction is writing Uncanny, with extended bondage s/m themes, overly sexualized dialogue and overall edgy-ness in each character, maybe this can actually happen down the line...!:biggrin:

[RMTrigger]

How long has Empath been a telepath? I thought he could only do empathy.

[Mitsaso]

How long has Empath been a telepath? I thought he could only do Empathy.

When was it stated/implied that he was a telepath instead?
If you mean anything on this latest issue, note that he was only manipulating/amplifying emotions (which was his power all along), he didn't mind-control anyone or read thoughts. :wink:

[RolandJP]

NOBODY is Steve McQueen, though.


http://brightstarlights.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/daniel_craig.jpg

[RMTrigger]

When was it stated/implied that he was a telepath instead?
If you mean anything on this latest issue, note that he was only manipulating/amplifying emotions (which was his power all along), he didn't mind-control anyone or read thoughts. :wink:

Well there was the whole thing with Empath attempting to take a peek into Emma's mind, and in the last issue he implied its usage before the Red Queen corrected him.

[Chase_Stein]

I didn't really like the issue despite the fact that I really wanted to (written by Brubaction and all). There were some neat ideas in this issue but for me the problems overshadowed the neat ideas.

Problems:
1) Karma was quite useless throughout the issue. She was not really much of a character. She was just there as a "living bait" and then as Cyclops' psychic nurse. Why include her if you're not gonna use her?
2) Then, wow Cyclops is doing unnecessary tortures. For what? To establish him as...I dunno some "cool" anti-hero. 1
3) Emma, the diamond trophy wife, blabbers nothing but her silly million dollar stuff.
4) It started with a fighting scene and ended with a fighting scene (which wasn't much really of a fight scene)...not much development for the storyline.
5) Characters were too many to characterize. In fact, I think that's my real problem with this. Brubaction are trying their best too fit almost all the characters they want that they forgot to do anything with a lot of them.
6) Girly-girl and Worm..god awful repetitions
7) Greg Land
8) Why is the Red Queen a threat to the X-men?
9) Strange hip Ezekiel Stane-ish dialogue for everyone

Nice Bits
1) Wolverine and Nightcrawler had a quite cool fight scene which could have been cooler if they included Xian!
2) Pixie getting her Dazzler fix (hopefully, soon enough, Dazzler will fix her disco balls), Wolverine and Pixie's nice dialogue, and Pixie's vespa rescue. Good Pixie developments
3) Nightcrawler talking about the chapel
4) Hints on the Red Queen's identity
5) Beast as Pixie's cheerleader and nu-Sage
6) Hip Ezekiel Stane-ish dialogue for everyone

Conclusion
1) While some characters were written well (Pixie, Beast, Wolverine and Nightcrawler), there were a lot that weren't written well (Dialogue-less Storm and her Gold member buddies Dialogue-less Angel and nowhere Colossus, Cyclops' dark side, Emma's silly million dollar banters and the short cameos of Dazzler and Karma). The story has little or nothing to say about the characters they're using. I think that they should at least focus on a group characters and not insert useless cameos.
2) The Red Queen and Empath can be formidable villains but, besides beating up Pixie, her friend, and themselves (with their psycho babbling), they haven't done anything.
3) Hip Dialogue can work for some characters but not all. I think Matt Fraction's trying to insert Ezekiel Stane into most of them. Again, good for some but not all. Plus, the "girly-girls" and "worms" were annoying.
4) The story's out of focus. On one hand, it wants to establish how hip the characters are since they arrived at San Francisco but at the same time, it's TRYING to establish the Red Queen. Though, both can form one coherent storyline, this issue showed how disjointed these two develpments are.
5) Greg Land should try anatomy and drawing lessons...Chris Bachalo, Mike Choi, and The Dodsons are so much better than the porn-mess of Land
6) Nice developments for Pixie, Nightcrawler and Beast though
7) Using both Karma and Dazzler was nice. Hopefully, both of them will have a big part in 503.
----Footnote
1 I know that they want Cyclops to be cool but...tortures? Reallly? Cyclops in Whedon's run was cool because he wasn't a hard core torturer but a leader who have plans and strategizes everything with awesome results. My point is that Cyclops can be cool without even resorting to dumb gimmicks like optic blast-heated acupuncture. And, hopefully, he doesn't go back to moping after feeling guilty for everything he's doing right now.

[Mitsaso]

Well there was the whole thing with Empath attempting to take a peek into Emma's mind, and in the last issue he implied its usage before the Red Queen corrected him.

I think he only saw their inner emotional world. When he peeked inside of Emma (lol that sounds pornographic!) he didnt see what she was thinking, but only saw "cold, cruel nothingness", which sounds more like a state of emotion than actual thoughts. If he could read thoughts, he'd just listen to her thinking "I need those new D&G boots" or whatever.

[DeadXMan]

That is the ugliest render of Dazzler I have ever seen

(Even Yu's Crack addict look is better then Land's. The best was in AoA where She was lighting a cigarette and telling nannybot to piss off.)

there's no flow what's so ever, just a bunch of traced petty pictures.
(beating a dead horse with Land, but I digress)

Is it me or finding out one of your pupils is responsible for in-sighting mutant hate crimes, should of had more reactions to it?

[Anna]

Perhaps the redhead is Danger, who wants to get even with Emma by making all of her worst nightmares come true?

[oneshyguy46]

That is the ugliest render of Dazzler I have ever seen

(Even Yu's Crack addict look is better then Land's. The best was in AoA where She was lighting a cigarette and telling nannybot to piss off.)

there's no flow what's so ever, just a bunch of traced petty pictures.
(beating a dead horse with Land, but I digress)

Is it me or finding out one of your pupils is responsible for in-sighting mutant hate crimes, should of had more reactions to it?

I would have to disagree with you. I think this version of Dazzler is by far one of my favorites.

Though I I did like the AoA Dazzler as well... but it just wasn’t my favorite. I prefer the more approachable Dazzler then the "hard core" Dazzler persona.

[DeadXMan]

http://brightstarlights.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/daniel_craig.jpg

He's not McQueen, he's not even Sean Connery:tongue:

[Justin K.]

I want to see her throw her cell phone at Cyclops' head, Naomi-style.

I'd buy that :biggrin: , but who would Dazzler be traced from? :confused:

[RMTrigger]

I think he only saw their inner emotional world. When he peeked inside of Emma (lol that sounds pornographic!) he didnt see what she was thinking, but only saw "cold, cruel nothingness", which sounds more like a state of emotion than actual thoughts. If he could read thoughts, he'd just listen to her thinking "I need those new D&G boots" or whatever.

Actually Emma shows Empath these things with her telepathy after he gets caught, but before this he specifically says "One night I couldn't stand it anymore. I decided I had to see what she felt like. In her--ahh--in her mind."

Also last issue he says, "a little bit of attention and a little psychic push and they'll do anything I ask."

I dunno, it kinda seemed to me like they gave him telepathy out of the blue like when Morrison had Shaw using telepathy in New X-men.

[Novaya Havoc]

That is the ugliest render of Dazzler I have ever seen

(Even Yu's Crack addict look is better then Land's. The best was in AoA where She was lighting a cigarette and telling nannybot to piss off.)


Oh, give me a break with the concern. Didn't you call Dazzler -- repeatedly -- "lightbulb girl" on Newsarama and constantly denigrate the character?

Homegirl, don't play. Sarah Palin got yo damn number. She's gonna field dress you like a moose, and then Dazzler is gonna sing over your caracass.

But I appreciate your concern.

[Slung]

Oh, give me a break with the concern. Didn't you call Dazzler -- repeatedly -- "lightbulb girl" on Newsarama and constantly denigrate the character?

Homegirl, don't play. Sarah Palin got yo damn number. She's gonna field dress you like a moose, and then Dazzler is gonna sing over your caracass.

But I appreciate your concern.

I didn't really like Dazzler in this latest issue either. She seemed too air-head-like. I miss Dazzler being a little more mature.

And I heard Dazzler joined Babs in a duet at a fund-raiser the other night. Oh noes!

[DeadXMan]

I wouldn't wish Land's "art" on anyone.

even dazzler deserves better.

[pariah-1972]

That is the ugliest render of Dazzler I have ever seen

(Even Yu's Crack addict look is better then Land's. The best was in AoA where She was lighting a cigarette and telling nannybot to piss off.)

there's no flow what's so ever, just a bunch of traced petty pictures.
(beating a dead horse with Land, but I digress)

Is it me or finding out one of your pupils is responsible for in-sighting mutant hate crimes, should of had more reactions to it?Yes i loved that moment ! i think it was drawn by Andy Kubert if im not mistaken.
That was my favorite modern Dazzler moment by far.

[pariah-1972]

Another slight thing that annoyed me how Karma looked completely different when she got out of the acupuncture room than before.

[jarrod]

You champion the return of Maggott. I side with Denise.
Maggot was AWESOME, minus the hitting on Jean Grey part.

<3 <3 Kelly <3 <3

[Novaya Havoc]

I didn't really like Dazzler in this latest issue either. She seemed too air-head-like. I miss Dazzler being a little more mature.

And I heard Dazzler joined Babs in a duet at a fund-raiser the other night. Oh noes!

Bitch-ho, she did no such thing. Dazzler is for strong women in office. Besides, her dad was a Republican. She has an independent streak and values experience.

I don't think Dazzler came off as "dumb" at all, just because Fraction used a colloquialism.

[pariah-1972]

Maggot was AWESOME, minus the hitting on Jean Grey part.

<3 <3 Kelly <3 <3EVeryone hits on Jean it's a rite of passage.

[worstblogever]

EVeryone hits on Jean it's a rite of passage.

Heck, even Rusty Collins did within a few minutes of being the ward of X-Factor.

[pariah-1972]

Heck, even Rusty Collins did within a few minutes of being the ward of X-Factor.Yep he's a bright boy he knows his place.

"reads list to be honorary X-man "

1. "must hit on Jean even tho i stand a snow blizzards chance in hell of hooking up with her"

[Slung]

Bitch-ho, she did no such thing. Dazzler is for strong women in office. Besides, her dad was a Republican. She has an independent streak and values experience.

I don't think Dazzler came off as "dumb" at all, just because Fraction used a colloquialism.

Dazzler supports her gays though and refuses to support anti-gay politicians!

[Flinkman]

Dazzler supports her gays though and refuses to support anti-gay politicians!

no sh!t, wtf does Sarah Palin have to do with any of this?

thread pollution. yuck.

[worstblogever]

no sh!t, wtf does Sarah Palin have to do with any of this?

thread pollution. yuck.

Sarah Palin is the Red Queen.

[sneggz]

Rachel Grey and The Beast might make an interesting couple, especially with Land drawn bedroom antics. What say you Mister Fraction?

Brand would fry Hank and Rachel for this. Leave Rachel be with her avian paramour.

[Red Savina]

Greg Land's Dazzler made me smile.

She just seemed so happy.

[tornshattered]

I think she was drunk with Absent.

[worstblogever]

I think she was drunk with Absent.

wait, do you mean absinthe?

[tornshattered]

The green fairy thing, yeah.

[Novaya Havoc]

Dazzler supports her gays though and refuses to support anti-gay politicians!

Sarah Palin signed same-sex State Partnership benefits into law.

Dazzler knows the rocks that Sarah got. She's Sarah from the block.

And she knows her lip gloss is poppin'. Her lip gloss is cool.

Don't act like Dazzler is some fool.

[pariah-1972]

I am seriously scared now people.

[jarrod]

Brand would fry Hank and Rachel for this. Leave Rachel be with her avian paramour.
They could swap! Shi'ar key party!

[steve2275]

And, Kurt, for his part, is kind enough to ask Emma if she prays. Her answer?

"These are two hundred dollar Italian cashmere Kiki De Montparnasse stockings, Kurt. I'll only kneel in them if absolutely necessary. Op's up in ten minutes, your holiness."

Well, the X-Men come, bringing Storm, Emma, Kurt, Logan, and Scott, while Beast works the Sage/Tessa position (on the horn). And in fact, they have the SFPD on their side, sealing up all the exits.
now thats classy
pete was also mentioned but not scene (already watching the dooor i assume)

[$5 Milkshake]

God Damn, but do I loathe the Red Queen! She's like a villainess parody.

However, I just read this tonight, and I enjoyed it! Which made me happy, I WANT to enjoy his book. There were a lot of cool moments for me this issue: Nightcrawler being awesome, Wolverine being awesome despite saying "Girly-girl" every sentence, and Land's art is actually getting better as his issues go on. I dont remember a single moment this issue were the art made me want light the book on fire.

All in all, despite wondering if maybe my expectations are just real low now, I liked #502.

[tornshattered]

Red Queen's like Bree Van De Camp playing sex games with her first husband(I am a man. I am straight. But I love Desperate Housewives. Just cant help it.).

[SayOcean]

[QUOTE=Novaya Havoc;7584084]Sarah Palin signed same-sex State Partnership benefits into law.QUOTE] was this some AOA version?

I have yet to get this issue as my comic store is pitiful but I really hope this isnt the return of Karma....bitch didnt do anything. In the NM issues she was shown to be kinda headstrong and def not some bait. and the dazzler pixie thing sounds cool, where can i get tickets


So emma knows empath is behind all this?

[frog]

All the women seem to be turning into cast members of various shows. So far we've got Sex in the City, Desperate Housewives, and High School Musical.

[SilverPhoenix]

Anti-Karma masks? How convenient.

i wonder what does it made of? some fancy feng-shui papers that drives off bad karmas during chineese new year? (wearing a half smile.....)

[Slung]

Sarah Palin signed same-sex State Partnership benefits into law.

Dazzler knows the rocks that Sarah got. She's Sarah from the block.

And she knows her lip gloss is poppin'. Her lip gloss is cool.

Don't act like Dazzler is some fool.

was this some AOA version?


Obviously.

Sarah Palin signed same-sex State Partnership benefits into law.

Novaya, we'll have to take our political discourse elsewhere - but Palin did no such thing. Under pressure, she vetoed a bill that was already ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court that would take away benefits, but she never signed anything that gave benefits to gays. I'll PM you sometime with her political and public history concerning gay issues. None of it is positive.

You can peruse some of her positions herel (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13084.html)

[Deus ex Chris]

There were a lot of cool moments for me this issue: Nightcrawler being awesome, Wolverine being awesome
OMG and Storm being awesome!!!

Oh, wait, that didn't happen at all.

[Henry T.]

Novaya, we'll have to take our political discourse elsewhere - but Palin did no such thing. Under pressure, she vetoed a bill that was already ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court that would take away benefits, but she never signed anything that gave benefits to gays. I'll PM you sometime with her political and public history concerning gay issues. None of it is positive.
]

Slung is right. She had to veto it because it was already deemed unconstitutional. She stated publicly that she disagreed with the ruling that the bill was unconstitutional and has mentioned that she is against partner benefits before and after her veto.

I understand why people like Palin as a person though. I like that she didn't abort Trig and since I live in a rural evangelical area (eastern KY) she reminds me of a lot of the women in my life.

But I wouldn't vote for the republican ticket. As Hillary says "No way. No how. No McCain and No Palin!"

Hillary's coming to my home town on Saturday. I can't wait to see her speak. I've seen John Edwards and Bill Clinton but I missed Hillary when she came here during the primary.

[timbox]

OMG and Storm being awesome!!!

Oh, wait, that didn't happen at all.

They're trying to write her in-character.

[Deus ex Chris]

They're trying to write her in-character.
Stop speaking.

[timbox]

Stop speaking.

What would you have me do? :wink:

[metalgorgomon]

OMG and Storm being awesome!!!

Oh, wait, that didn't happen at all.

She was awesome in that one panel! Bare-knuckle Streetfighter!
Which get me wonder, whether she's a core member of Uncanny or not?

[eurazn]

She was awesome in that one panel! Bare-knuckle Streetfighter!
Which get me wonder, whether she's a core member of Uncanny or not?

She wasn't even included in that roster page at the beginning of the issue ... it's like she came out of no where. It would have made more sense for Dazzler to be there in her place.

[darknessatnoon]

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I still can't can't get over this picture of Emma "teaching" in that whoreish outfit.

[metalgorgomon]

She wasn't even included in that roster page at the beginning of the issue ... it's like she came out of no where. It would have made more sense for Dazzler to be there in her place.

Oh shoot.. She was in #500 fighting Magneto and fetched the Mayor. For awhile I thought she's one of the core cast. Guess she's just gonna be included in some random fighting scenes...
Maybe Dazzler will??

[eurazn]

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I still can't can't get over this picture of Emma "teaching" in that whoreish outfit.

Anything to keep the attention of your psychic audience I suppose. Better their minds focus on one scantily-clad person rather than mentally roaming around campus!

[frog]

Anything to keep the attention of your psychic audience I suppose. Better their minds focus on one scantily-clad person rather than mentally roaming around campus!

Rather than keeping them focused than with her own mental power, naturally.

[worstblogever]

http://i33.tinypic.com/wl9113.jpg

I still can't can't get over this picture of Emma "teaching" in that whoreish outfit.

Yeah, once she "reformed" after Fitzroy killed the Hellions, she realized that a teacher should wear a pantsuit, as she went forward with in Generation X.

Then, she had a change of heart again, and wore all white vinyl bondage gear when she came to be a professor at Academy X.

Now she's somewhere in between. the three.

[eurazn]

Rather than keeping them focused than with her own mental power, naturally.

Maybe she's not even actually wearing that outfit ... it could just be a mental projection :tongue:

[darknessatnoon]

Anything to keep the attention of your psychic audience I suppose. Better their minds focus on one scantily-clad person rather than mentally roaming around campus!

In the next panel down it shows the only ones paying attention to her are the guys. More like, anything to get laid.

[DeniseXfrost]

http://i33.tinypic.com/wl9113.jpg

I still can't can't get over this picture of Emma "teaching" in that whoreish outfit.
The main problem is why she's laughing like an idiot.

[darknessatnoon]

The main problem is why she's laughing like an idiot.

She's teaching while "high."

[ExodusCloak]

She's winking in that panel isn't she?

[worstblogever]

The main problem is why she's laughing like an idiot.

She can telepathically sense Jetstream's fantasies, as he starts pitching a wee tent in the front row, that's why.

[frog]

Perhaps Emma was just trying to make her students immune to the effects of ample flesh in scanty clothing through oversaturation.


But I doubt it!

[ExodusCloak]

Perhaps Emma was just trying to make her students immune to the effects of ample flesh in scanty clothing through oversaturation.


But I doubt it!

She was preparing so they wouldn't get distracted when they started working for the Hellfire Club.

[darknessatnoon]

I wonder if they had to sniff poppers for homework?

[worstblogever]

I wonder if they had to sniff poppers for homework?

If by poppers, you mean her underwear, then yes.

Empath got an "A" on that project, to be sure.

[timbox]

http://i33.tinypic.com/wl9113.jpg

I still can't can't get over this picture of Emma "teaching" in that whoreish outfit.

Look at the board. She's teaching coercion, guild, and manipulation. That is the perfect outfit.

Her expression is hideous, though.

[blehbeh]

Which get me wonder, whether she's a core member of Uncanny or not?

I think we need to stop wondering about, or thinking about Uncanny in terms of a "core cast" anymore. From the looks of things, the book might as well be re-titled "The Adventures of Cyclops and Emma and their Amazing Friends."

[Michael P]

EVeryone hits on Jean it's a rite of passage.

Hell, even Captain Kirk hit on Jean.

[worstblogever]

Hell, even Captain Kirk hit on Jean.

Captain Kirk hits on everything female, though.

[metalgorgomon]

I think we need to stop wondering about, or thinking about Uncanny in terms of a "core cast" anymore. From the looks of things, the book might as well be re-titled "The Sex Adventures of Cyclops and Emma and their Amazing Partners."

There.. fixed it..

[nikbackm]

There.. fixed it..

You should include "Wolverine" in the title as well.

[eurazn]

You should include "Wolverine" in the title as well.

You're on the fast track to a Quality Assurance position at Marvel. Good catch! :biggrin:

[worstblogever]

I think we need to stop wondering about, or thinking about Uncanny in terms of a "core cast" anymore. From the looks of things, the book might as well be re-titled "The Adventures of Cyclops and Emma and their Amazing Partners."

You should include "Wolverine" in the title as well.

"The Adventures of Cyclops and Emma Doin' It while Wolverine Films Them."

[maigen]

I started reading Xmen when I was 7.

I don't think the XMen were anything like that back then. Or maybe they were and that explains a lot about me.

[Deus ex Chris]

I don't think the XMen were anything like that back then. Or maybe they were and that explains a lot about me.
Like what? Full of bondage themes and imagery? That's pretty much Claremont's entire run.

[frog]

Somehow the Lawrence Welk Show grins make it all seem that much more perverse.

[maigen]

Like what? Full of bondage themes and imagery? That's pretty much Claremont's entire run.

It was 1991 so I caught the tail end.

Get it? No. Neither do I.

[Dagger]

She can telepathically sense Jetstream's fantasies, as he starts pitching a wee tent in the front row, that's why.
Filthy lies! My beloved Jetstream is hung like a horse! His tents would be massive indeed!

[Pixie_Solanas]

Like what? Full of bondage themes and imagery? That's pretty much Claremont's entire run.

Yeah, but it was well-written bondage themes and imagery.

This current theme is about as subtle as a hurled brick to the face.

[tetragene]

Yeah, but it was well-written bondage themes and imagery.

This current theme is about as subtle as a hurled brick to the face.

there was nothing subtle about the Hellfire Club or Storm:The Arena...

[Deus ex Chris]

Yeah, but it was well-written bondage themes and imagery.

This current theme is about as subtle as a hurled brick to the face.
Claremont wasn't subtle about anything. Take off the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia. He spelled everything out and mostly in thought bubbles.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This current theme is about as subtle as a hurled brick to the face.

Some sort of ironic joke, right?

[maigen]

What are you talking about? It's completely realisitc for people to think in graphic novels and give an introductory speech when they meet someone.

[darknessatnoon]

I am humiliated to admit this, but I would rather CC was writing this comic than the current team.

I am going to slink away in shame now.

[AcesX1X]

oh, god. That reminds me. My first X-Men comic was the CC one where they meet the Morlocks and Angel gets strung up like Jesus to some wall. And Callisto pulls on his hair and cuts his face!

....this explains so much about my boyhood influences..

[Deus ex Chris]

LOL

I'm not trying to insult Claremont. He had some really great ideas and absolutely built this house, but let's not pretend he was subtle.

[maigen]

Subtility is in the eye of the beholder.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What are you talking about? It's completely realisitc for people to think in graphic novels and give an introductory speech when they meet someone.

Nice.

I am humiliated to admit this, but I would rather CC was writing this comic than the current team.

I get the whole 'drama' angle, but, no, you wouldn't. :tongue:

[pariah-1972]

It's amazing to me that we have had three X-men movies and hardly any Bondage/S&m themes show up (unless you count wearing leather uniforms)

[AcesX1X]

It's amazing to me that we have had three X-men movies and hardly any Bondage/S&m themes show up (unless you count wearing leather uniforms)

Nightcrawler engaged in heavy self-mutilation and crazy Jean liked to explode Wolverine just to watch him knit back together.

[pariah-1972]

Nightcrawler engaged in heavy self-mutilation and crazy Jean liked to explode Wolverine just to watch him knit back together.I don't consider either one of those Bondage/S&m themes.


Actually to be honest i never understood the whole tatoo thing Kurt had going on cause Catholics aren't into those things, so i can only guess it was a personal thing because he was so ashamed of looking like a demon.

[AcesX1X]

I don't consider either one of those Bondage/S&m themes.


Why? If they got off on it, then it's an S&M theme.

[pariah-1972]

Why? If they got off on it, then it's an S&M theme.I don't think Kurt got off on it considerinng how religious he was in the movie i think it was more guilt than anything sexual.
And i don't know what you are talking about with the Jean thing that seems to be something you made up in your mind.

[maigen]

Why? If they got off on it, then it's an S&M theme.

For it to be S&M there must be at least two people. You need both the S and the M.

[AcesX1X]

For it to be S&M there must be at least two people. You need both the S and the M.

Jean - S

Wolverine - M

Am I the only one who watched Jean do the O dance with him in that hospital room and the last scene of X3?

[maigen]

Jean - S

Wolverine - M

Am I the only one who watched Jean do the O dance with him in that hospital room and the last scene of X3?

No that one counts. I meant the other one.

Carry on.

[pariah-1972]

Jean - S

Wolverine - M

Am I the only one who watched Jean do the O dance with him in that hospital room and the last scene of X3?O dance?

The hospital room make-out session was damn sexxy in my opinion.

[DeniseXfrost]

I am humiliated to admit this, but I would rather CC was writing this comic than the current team.

I am going to slink away in shame now.
Hide your face in shame now dirty whore!

[darknessatnoon]

Hide your face in shame now dirty whore!

I should be grateful. You didn't make it your "Quote of the Week" for a month.

[DeniseXfrost]

I should be grateful. You didn't make it your "Quote of the Week" for a month.
LOL LOL I totally should have!

[creaky]

I just realized that Pixie and Hisako need to be a tag team.

[pariah-1972]

I just realized that Pixie and Hisako need to be a tag team.That would be awesome but unfortunately in the x-men universe young girls would rather hang out with Wolverine than girls there own age.



I'm starting to wonder if Wolverine has some sort of animal magnetism mutantcy.
And underage girls are completely vulnerable to it.

[Justin K.]

I just realized that Pixie and Hisako need to be a tag team.

Wonder which one Wolverine mentors? :confused: :wink:

[creaky]

Wonder which one Wolverine mentors? :confused: :wink:

I'm sure he figures the more, the merrier. Mercury, Surge and Sooraya better run while they still can.

[Justin K.]

I'm sure he figures the more, the merrier. Mercury, Surge and Sooraya better run while they still can.

Not Sooraya, she's so innocent and pure... :frown:

[DeadXMan]

Bitch-ho, she did no such thing. Dazzler is for strong women in office. Besides, her dad was a Republican. She has an independent streak and values experience.

I don't think Dazzler came off as "dumb" at all, just because Fraction used a colloquialism.

I don't know offering an underage girl to be her Drug dealer at her shows seems to be on the dumb-side.

and it soo convent for her to show up After she got beat up.

thank Kirby this is just the Alpha Dazzler from She-hulk.

[Anna]

Dazzler supports her gays though and refuses to support anti-gay politicians!

So she would not be a fan of Palin. Which would make her smarter than I gave her credit for.

[Hi-Fi]

Anna do you have any Legacy spoilers?? :)

[DeniseXfrost]

Anna do you have any Legacy spoilers?? :)
Emma owns Xavier.

[Anna]

Anna do you have any Legacy spoilers?? :)

Emma owns Xavier.

Just like Jean owned Emma.

[DeniseXfrost]

Just like Jean owned Emma.
Just like how Jean's still dead? :tongue:

[Novaya Havoc]

Just like how Jean's still dead? :tongue:

Oh, SNAP!!!!

+1 Denise.

[Novaya Havoc]

So she would not be a fan of Palin. Which would make her smarter than I gave her credit for.

!

The Priestess of our Lord Magneto has spoken.

I now convert my heathen ways and now follow the hope and change of the Messiah.

*snort* As if you're anyone I would listen to.

[Justin K.]

I think Palin is a good lady and I'm cool with her and all that :cool:
I enjoy her hairdo very much for some reason, but...
Since when did the thread turn into a political debate though? :frown:

[DeadXMan]

and she'll be like the hottest VP since Jefferson

[Justin K.]

and she'll be like the hottest VP since Jefferson

There's something forbidden about her :tongue:

[pariah-1972]

I think Palin is a good lady and I'm cool with her and all that :cool:
I enjoy her hairdo very much for some reason, but...
Since when did the thread turn into a political debate though? :frown:
Blame Novaya and his sig.

He's a bad influence.

[Justin K.]

Blame Novaya and his sig.

He's a bad influence.

it's cool :cool:

[creaky]

Not Sooraya, she's so innocent and pure... :frown:

That's how he likes them.

[Anna]

!

The Priestess of our Lord Magneto has spoken.

I now convert my heathen ways and now follow the hope and change of the Messiah.

*snort* As if you're anyone I would listen to.

I know you won't, because you're too petty and shallow. Her Holy Roller Church "Pray's the Gay away." The Republicans are anti gay rights. I'm just hoping that some of the others are smart enough to take a good look before they make a horrible mistake. I've lived in Arizona long enough to know what a corrupt bastard John Mcain is.

[Optic Rage!]

Yeah, but it was well-written bondage themes and imagery.

This current theme is about as subtle as a hurled brick to the face.

Subtle?

LMFAO.

I respect CC for what he did for the books, but how people can still defend his stuff is just beyond me.

[tetragene]

Subtle?

LMFAO.

I respect CC for what he did for the books, but how people can still defend his stuff is just beyond me.

exactly. His old stories were great (even though not all of them have aged well) but most are anything but subtle. Hellfire Club, S&M, lesbianism, etc.

the current writers aren't trying to be subtle--they are blatantly saying "this is what it is." CC attempted to be subtle with his subject matter but the "disguised lesbian eroticism" & S&M themes were as subtle as an abused victim in a Lifetime movie.

A lot of you remember it as "cleverly disguised" and "subtle" because you were children reading them--or it's been a decade or more since you've read them. Go back & re-read though--even I'm surprised at the stuff you notice/pick-up on as time progresses

[Optic Rage!]

exactly. His old stories were great (even though not all of them have aged well) but most are anything but subtle. Hellfire Club, S&M, lesbianism, etc.

the current writers aren't trying to be subtle--they are blatantly saying "this is what it is." CC attempted to be subtle with his subject matter but the "disguised lesbian eroticism" & S&M themes were as subtle as an abused victim in a Lifetime movie.

A lot of you remember it as "cleverly disguised" and "subtle" because you were children reading them--or it's been a decade or more since you've read them. Go back & re-read though--even I'm surprised at the stuff you notice/pick-up on as time progresses

I dont think most of it has aged well[which imo shows that he was never a GREAT writer]

In fact, i tried to go back and re-read his first run, and i just had to give up cause it was so hard to read.

Another thing i dislike is that he has never evolved his style at all, when i read New Exiles it feels like i am reading a comic that is 20 years out of date.

[Jack Flash]

i liked this issue. the art was fair to middling, but the mystery of the Red Queen is kinda cool. Empath is great. I love villians. I just want to see him with Cordelia or Jennifer Stavros or some other hench chick.

as far as all the petty ass squabbling and name calling, get over yourselves. all of you.

[CmX]

i liked this issue. the art was fair to middling, but the mystery of the Red Queen is kinda cool. Empath is great. I love villians. I just want to see him with Cordelia or Jennifer Stavros or some other hench chick.

as far as all the petty ass squabbling and name calling, get over yourselves. all of you.

Yeah I really like Red Queen, I'm loving the abusive pain scenes it's awesome! "They'll never find me worm!" Was super sexual I love the freak.

I'm anticipating Emma's reaction to the Red Queen.

[_Jayme_]

*hi5 with Jed*

I thought it was a great issue. Seeing Empath was pretty cool..I hope there are more discussions on faith with Emma and Kurt in future issues.

[Weapon Ick]

They made it through a whole issue without dissing Oakland. First time that's happened since the move.

[worstblogever]

They made it through a whole issue without dissing Oakland. First time that's happened since the move.

Except the fact that Pixie was there for like an hour and just effectively went, "Ugh. I've had enough of this place. I'm going back at the X-Men where I can get beat up by racist thugs, attacked by aliens, and menaced by demons. It's still better than Oakland." :redface:

[Anna]

Just like how Jean's still dead? :tongue:


Didn't used to be. Rogue fans might find the session interesting.... :evilsmile:

[Zombie Uatu]

It's already been to stressful a weekend, and it's the freakin' weekend. Therefore, I am not going to trudge through the preceding 26 pages to see if anyone has already made the comments I am going to make, I'm just going to make them and assume everyone is intelligent enough to ignore them if they have already been made.

Some thoughts:

Land's art seems to be getting better in some scenes, for example, the fight scene at the beginning which actually had backgrounds (oooh) and as the X-Men are attacking the Hellfire Cult at the end. Then, at other times it's distractingly obvious that he's copying from something, for example Emma's crazy impossible wtf pose. I actually like Land, so I'm glad to see his art does seem to be a bit more original lately, but at the same time I wish he'd make up his mind if he's tracing, drawing from photo reference or what. The different methods all felt jumbled up in this issue.

Matt Fraction appears to have forgotten Pixie is Welsh. She now talks like every other American teenager. Welsh teenagers do not talk like American teenagers (ask Paul Jenkins if you don't believe me). Fraction should just throw in a random occasional 'boyo' at least if he wants us to believe this is an important character that he cares about.

Not sure how to take the 'Emma is like ice' thing. I expect Empath saw what she wanted him to see. Emma is not like ice and never has been. She's the most god-awful bitch but she has always had a caring streak within all that, even when she was at her worst.

Overall, I think Fraction is developing a grip on these characters. I still wish he was writing alone, instead of working with Brubaker. It'd give him an oppurtunity to work some of the magic he's been putting into Iron Man. On the other hand, it may be that neither member of this team is really suited to the X-Men and I'll be disappointed at the end of the arc. But I'm willing to see where it goes, still, and that's a good thing.

[pariah-1972]

The thing that annoys me is i don't know who's to blame for this mess it doesn't read like Brubakers for sure and what little i've read of Fraction it doesn't seem like it either.

So maybe they are trying to be like an edgier version of CC since most of the trademarks are here.

[DeadXMan]

The thing that annoys me is i don't know who's to blame for this mess it doesn't read like Brubakers for sure and what little i've read of Fraction it doesn't seem like it either.

So maybe they are trying to be like an edgier version of CC since most of the trademarks are here.

everyone has been trying to do that since 91
and they wonder why the X-books are no longer the leading title....

[SkinFromBone]

I thought it was a good issue. I'm liking the Red Queen/ Empath stuff and Karma. :cool:

[Justin K.]

They call that a Karma comeback? She was bait, sent home, and used to make Cyclops look more intimidating :mad: disappointment! Empath, his comeback I liked, how they drew his powers and the energy signature that comes with it.

Anytime I see Red Queen though, I can't help but laugh due to what I've seen what other people said about her, lol :tongue:

[pariah-1972]

everyone has been trying to do that since 91
and they wonder why the X-books are no longer the leading title....I never seen it that way before to be honest.




Who says the x-books are no longer leading? is it because of all the event books?

Seems like the Avengers are a much higher priority nowadays.

[DeadXMan]

AoA was the last great x-story

[Slung]

I think Palin is a good lady and I'm cool with her and all that :cool:
I enjoy her hairdo very much for some reason, but...
Since when did the thread turn into a political debate though? :frown:

She's a nice lady. She just hates the gays and makes women pay for their own rape kits.

And I blame Dazzler for the Sarah Palin inclusion in this thread. :wink:

[Justin K.]

She's a nice lady. She just hates the gays and makes women pay for their own rape kits.

And I blame Dazzler for the Sarah Palin inclusion in this thread. :wink:

Hate is such a strong word :tongue: I see her as traditional

Dazzler's the blame for a lot of things, but I'll save that for another time (multi-tasking at the moment and super-distracted at the moment and feeling to lazy to say why) :rolleyes:

[Slung]

Hate is such a strong word :tongue: I see her as traditional

Dazzler's the blame for a lot of things, but I'll save that for another time (multi-tasking at the moment and super-distracted at the moment and feeling to lazy to say why) :rolleyes:

"Hate" is a strong word. I officially change it to "disagrees with it to the point of trying to keep gays from having partner benefits and protection" and hoping she can "pray the gay away." :biggrin:

And Dazzler is to blame because she is too fabulous to function.

[tetragene]

in the name of Dazzler I move that we drop discussions of real-world politics and save it for X-cres instead.

re: Red Queen...I'm starting to think she might just be something Empath conjured up himself too, but I hope not 'cause it's too similiar to the Emma/Perfection thing. But the whole "they'll never find me" line makes me think it's because she's not real.

[ExodusCloak]

in the name of Dazzler I move that we drop discussions of real-world politics and save it for X-cres instead.

re: Red Queen...I'm starting to think she might just be something Empath conjured up himself too, but I hope not 'cause it's too similiar to the Emma/Perfection thing. But the whole "they'll never find me" line makes me think it's because she's not real.

I would have said that too but I think the Red Queen was the one who grabbed Martinque from the back. Maybe she can teleport as well as use telekinesis, telepathy and amplify powers.

[tetragene]

I would have said that too but I think the Red Queen was the one who grabbed Martinque from the back. Maybe she can teleport as well as use telekinesis, telepathy and amplify powers.

I think the Sisterhood & Hellfire Cult are completely separate though--I think the Hellfire Cult will be Fraction's thing while the Sisterhood will be Brubaker's thing.

[ExodusCloak]

I think the Sisterhood & Hellfire Cult are completely separate though--I think the Hellfire Cult will be Fraction's thing while the Sisterhood will be Brubaker's thing.

I thought that both Fraction and Bru were going to continue a few sub plots throughout their arcs while doing there own thing as well. They could be two separate things but The Red Queen might be involved in both of their arcs as a sub plot.

[Pro]

I would have said that too but I think the Red Queen was the one who grabbed Martinque from the back. Maybe she can teleport as well as use telekinesis, telepathy and amplify powers.

Well, of course she can, because for the gazillionth time the red queen is miss sinister. Why raise another character from the dead just after they resurrected sinister (in a fashion).

Come on, the evidence is there:
-Can shapeshift
-Can likely teleport
-Has telekinisis
-Likely has telepathy
-Seen being invited into the hellfire club
-Wore the outfit
-Has female DNA, most likely recombined with sinister's DNA by Shaw.
-Shaw had a relationship with Madelyne Pryor and plenty access to her DNA
-Madelyne Pryor was Scott's wife
-The Red Queen wants to know everything about Scott's current girlfriend.
-Madelyne was part of the Hellfire club
-Madelyne+Essex=Miss Sinister, a shapeshifting, telepathic, telekinetic, teleporting bondage queen.

[pariah-1972]

in the name of Dazzler I move that we drop discussions of real-world politics and save it for X-cres instead.

re: Red Queen...I'm starting to think she might just be something Empath conjured up himself too, but I hope not 'cause it's too similiar to the Emma/Perfection thing. But the whole "they'll never find me" line makes me think it's because she's not real.I'm tempted to agree with this on the basis of how she instantly disapeared right before the X-men came barging in.



But why would Empath be thinking about a Jean Grey looking woman? has he even met her?
Althought it could be a red herring:tongue:

[jarrod]

Well, of course she can, because for the gazillionth time the red queen is miss sinister. Why raise another character from the dead just after they resurrected sinister (in a fashion).

Come on, the evidence is there:
-Can shapeshift
-Can likely teleport
-Has telekinisis
-Likely has telepathy
-Seen being invited into the hellfire club
-Wore the outfit
-Has female DNA, most likely recombined with sinister's DNA by Shaw.
-Shaw had a relationship with Madelyne Pryor and plenty access to her DNA
-Madelyne Pryor was Scott's wife
-The Red Queen wants to know everything about Scott's current girlfriend.
-Madelyne was part of the Hellfire club
-Madelyne+Essex=Miss Sinister, a shapeshifting, telepathic, telekinetic, teleporting bondage queen.
Agreed. Sinsister being a gestalt of Sinny and Maddie makes a lot of sense...

Maddie could teleport before though fwiw, and I don't think Essex ever displayed teke. And all the power boosting has been with psychics so far... it could still be "just" Maddie I think...

[marvell2100]

Agreed. Sinsister being a gestalt of Sinny and Maddie makes a lot of sense...

Maddie could teleport before though fwiw, and I don't think Essex ever displayed teke. And all the power boosting has been with psychics so far... it could still be "just" Maddie I think...

I agree with the just Maddie theory. Looks like a great way to get her revenge against Scott and the X-Men. I can see the psychic battle between her and Emma. As bad as Emma is I don't think she can handle a nasty Maddie.

[ExodusCloak]

Agreed. Sinsister being a gestalt of Sinny and Maddie makes a lot of sense...

Maddie could teleport before though fwiw, and I don't think Essex ever displayed teke. And all the power boosting has been with psychics so far... it could still be "just" Maddie I think...

Mr. Sinister displayed TK in that Colossus Bloodties and the Messiah Complex (X-Men #205) his handbook bio also states that he has TK. He also displayed it in one of his early flashbacks but I'm not sure which issue could have been a Gambit issue.

The thing with Maddie though is that, Bru and Matt seem to be trying their hardest to keep things simple for newer readers hence the weak style in story telling as in we have to be spoon fed every little detail and the caption boxes with character descriptions rather then us interpreting it ourselves through the panel action and art. I don't think someone with as much convoluted history as Maddie is welcome in the new books.

[OpticBlast]

"Hey. I'm Ali. Hey." (Is this the new Hey girl! Hey!)

"Won't that just be, like, completely awesome?"

And to think I liked Matt Fraction before this.

Yeah, I had an immediate negative reaction to Dazzler's whole dialogue. SInce when does Ali talk like some bimbo?

Sigh. Dazz cam along before there we'd ever heard of "valley girls", and she's never talked like an airhead. I hope his writing of her improves because right now it's killing me...one brain cell at a time.

[MuhollandDriver]

Yeah, I had an immediate negative reaction to Dazzler's whole dialogue. SInce when does Ali talk like some bimbo?

Sigh. Dazz cam along before there we'd ever heard of "valley girls", and she's never talked like an airhead. I hope his writing of her improves because right now it's killing me...one brain cell at a time.

Yes. i thought Karma was out of character also...especially after reading her Manifest Destiny storyline.

It seems most women in this title have the cool/radical chick persona going. Perfectly fine for one character...but all of them?

[TJKernan]

So you are just some person who has decided to get into comics, you have heard of the X-Men, thanks to the movies, and decide to pick up this issue...

What do you get?

*silly drug references
*lots of torture and S&M
*bad dialogue
*lousy art

this is one of Marvel's flagship titles...

ugh, where have my beloved X-Men gone...

[rwsmith]

Oh, I don't know. Sounds a lot like the X-men of old, actually.

[North-Star]

I'm not sure 'bout Uncanny either...
It is sufficient for a good laugh though. My roommate picked up 502 (Isn't big on Comics, more of a gamer), saw Dazzlers boobs and went:

"wow, I like big breasts but that's not natural! The story any good?"

[La Fea]

Why is this book not good?

Does it need Aralune? A little Mulholland?

I'm terribly disappointed in Fraction, yet I'm impressed with Land.

Perhaps it is I who have been sniffing the pixie dust.

And sniffing it well, apparently.

[Omega Alpha]

What do you get?

*silly drug references
*lots of torture and S&M
*bad dialogue
*lousy art

this is one of Marvel's flagship titles...

ugh, where have my beloved X-Men gone...

Except for the bad art, that's exactly like Claremont's first run.

[ExodusCloak]

Except for the bad art, that's exactly like Claremont's first run.

Now that you mention it, this did remind me a lot of the arc where Emma made her first appearance. Especially the Pixie going to save the day thing.

[OpticBlast]

Except for the bad art, that's exactly like Claremont's first run.

I don't know what you were reading, but NO, that's not Claremont's first run at all.

I don't think the X-Men would have exploded into Marvel's flagship franchise with
silly drug references, lots of torture and S&M and bad dialogue. The X-Men were initially a bi-month book, and became so popuIar that supply couldn't keep up with demand. I was there from Claremont's start. While it did go downhill after Byrne left, that was not how it was for the first several years he was originally on the book.

[Deus ex Chris]

I don't know what you were reading, but NO, that's not Claremont's first run at all.

I don't think the X-Men would have exploded into Marvel's flagship franchise with
silly drug references, lots of torture and S&M and bad dialogue. The X-Men were initially a bi-month book, and became so popuIar that supply couldn't keep up with demand. I was there from Claremont's start. While it did go downhill after Byrne left, that was not how it was for the first several years he was originally on the book.
Claremont's run was full of torture and S&M, and his dialogue was just not good. There were things he did well, but dialogue was never one of them. It still isn't.

[Jack Flash]

Claremont's run was full of torture and S&M, and his dialogue was just not good. There were things he did well, but dialogue was never one of them. It still isn't.

"What the Devil?!"

Andy is a little bitch!

[Optic Rage!]

"What the Devil?!"

Andy is a little bitch!

I will not be baited!

I swear to god, if you got me confused with that other guy i will go change my username right now.

[ExodusCloak]

Claremont's run was full of torture and S&M, and his dialogue was just not good. There were things he did well, but dialogue was never one of them. It still isn't.

That is true, although I liked the art of that arc.

[Jack Flash]

I will not be baited!

I swear to god, if you got me confused with that other guy i will go change my username right now.

LOL! I didn't get you confused! I just thought it was funny!

I really would love Karma to be used on a regular basis. I thought the development of her having doubts about her control was kinda cool. lets see it followed up on!

[pariah-1972]

I really wish people would stop saying that Claremont was this bad in the beginning of his X-men run.

I don't think any of us would still be reading X-men if his stuff was this bad.

[Zombie Uatu]

I really wish people would stop saying that Claremont was this bad in the beginning of his X-men run.

I don't think any of us would still be reading X-men if his stuff was this bad.

That's a rather subjective statement which tends to assume everyone thinks the current run is 'bad'....

...at least it's better than early Claremont!

[Hakael]

Uncanny hasn't really been a standout the last few months... maybe its cause I don't like Land's "work"... either that, or its because I hate Pixie and this book seems to remind me why.

[RickyD410]

I'm really not disliking this book as much as everyone else is. Its not incredible perhaps, but its just the beginning of their run. Its been 3 issues since the new change over. Give it time. I'm gona see where it goes.

[DeadXMan]

Early CC
Night of the sentenals
The Phionix saga
avengers annual 10
The Brood
trail of Magneto


yes, he early stuff was sooooo bad

:rolleyes:

[ExodusCloak]

Early CC
Night of the sentenals
The Phionix saga
avengers annual 10
The Brood
trail of Magneto


yes, he early stuff was sooooo bad

:rolleyes:

I really don't like the Brood Saga btw that's quite a jump from the Brood to the Trial of Magneto. That's like 60 issues.
Claremont had his ups and downs even back then he was always a hit and miss for me. I literally have to force myself to re-read the Brood Saga I find it that painful.

[marvell2100]

I'm one of those that enjoyed CC's early work but later on his character dialogue almost made it impossible to read. At one point I thought they had changed Logan/James codename from Wolverine to "little man". It wasn't the characterization that bothered me so much as the things they would say. I mean nobody talks like that.

[tetragene]

Early CC
Night of the sentenals
The Phionix saga
avengers annual 10
The Brood
trail of Magneto


yes, he early stuff was sooooo bad

:rolleyes:

yes--let's compare a decades worth of stories to 3 issues worth of current stories. CC didn't always hit gold either--how about the issues in between those legendary storylines?

I'm with RickyD410--I say give the book a little time to find its groove. It's only been three issues and a single arc hasn't even wrapped up yet. I haven't been blown away yet, but I don't think the book has been bad either.

[Pro]

I haven't been blown away yet, but I don't think the book has been bad either.

After 20 years of reading Uncanny i dropped it last month. It's that bad. Mind you it's not just recent issues that made me drop the title. I've just been disappointed one time too many since M-day. It still feels like we're going nowhere, still feels like they are struggling to rebuild foundations that any sane editor would not have wiped away like has been the case. Maybe i'll pick it up again some day but i'm not wasting money on a promising title that hasn't really delivered in ages.

[Pugfugly]

I hate to bring back the Land bashing (hey, that kinda sounds like lambasting, huh) but has anyone been able to identify the photo reference of Dazz's first appearance in #502? I thought it was Chelsea Handler at first, but I'm not totally sure. Even my wife says it looks familiar but can't quite place it. Any thoughts?

[The Black Guardian]

I really don't like the Brood Saga btw that's quite a jump from the Brood to the Trial of Magneto. That's like 60 issues.
Claremont had his ups and downs even back then he was always a hit and miss for me. I literally have to force myself to re-read the Brood Saga I find it that painful.
More like 30-some issues. But it's not like those 30-some issues weren't just as good or better than these stories. Rogue's joining, the Maddie plot, Storm's awesomeness while powerless, and others-- all fantastic.

[fitditz]

I love Clairemont's work right up until the early 90s (launch of X-Men)...after that its seriously been downhill. To be honest, I kinda cringe at his work now.
As for the current run of Uncanny, its not terrible IMO and it is picking up steam. I too would like to see where this will go.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Someone needs to count how many pages were devoted to the actual issue. Seriously.

[Leirus]

After 20 years of reading Uncanny i dropped it last month. It's that bad. Mind you it's not just recent issues that made me drop the title. I've just been disappointed one time too many since M-day. It still feels like we're going nowhere, still feels like they are struggling to rebuild foundations that any sane editor would not have wiped away like has been the case. Maybe i'll pick it up again some day but i'm not wasting money on a promising title that hasn't really delivered in ages.

Came on, If you survived the 90es surely you can wait until Carey is back with a team book :wink:

[DeadXMan]

Came on, If you survived the 90es surely you can wait until Carey is back with a team book :wink:

he'll get back on it sooner if we drop uncanny

IMO C&C should be doing the main book

[creaky]

IMO C&C should be doing the main book

But then 90% of the X-men would die horrible deaths!
It would probably be a good read, though.

[MuhollandDriver]

Came on, If you survived the 90es surely you can wait until Carey is back with a team book :wink:

Exactly.

When X-Force first came about....that was my cue to exit for awhile. i didn't return until House of M.

[Leirus]

Exactly.

When X-Force first came about....that was my cue to exit for awhile. i didn't return until House of M.

I wish I could do things like that. I am a compulsive completist, and I have to have all the issues. Even if there are whole years that I am not going to look again at. The Draco. Poptopia *shivers*

[DeadXMan]

But then 90% of the X-men would die horrible deaths!
It would probably be a good read, though.

that means there a good chance Emma would die then I'm even more for them writijng the book/

[creaky]

that means there a good chance Emma would die then I'm even more for them writijng the book/

I'm more worried that Emma would be the one buying everyone else a bus ticket.

[DeadXMan]

you see the ones that survived are thee ones that don't trust her

Emma has to get on the bus first.

[jarrod]

Uncanny hasn't really been a standout the last few months...
Last few months? The book's been trash the past two years (under Brubaker), and it wasn't exactly stellar before that (under Claremont, Austin and Casey respectively). I think Uncanny might be cursed or something.

I dunno, I kinda think they should maybe can the prestige pet project book (Astonishing) and try and get some comparable talent on this title. I mean, it's the flagship supposedly, it'd be nice if it felt like it.

[creaky]

I dunno, I kinda think they should maybe can the prestige pet project book (Astonishing) and try and get some comparable talent on this title. I mean, it's the flagship supposedly, it'd be nice if it felt like it.

Sometimes you are so right.

[Jack Flash]

I've enjoyed the book under Brubaker. I like the new direction with the team. one man's "Trash" is another man's "Pretty darn good book."

but go ahead and thrash and wail about.

[frog]

I don't consider Brubaker's writing the best, but the X-Men haven't sounded so out of character before Fraction joined him.

[AcesX1X]

I only like this new X-Men direction because the proper respect is being paid to Karma and Empath in some place other than a fringe book.

For that, my dollars have been secured by Marvel Comics.

[timbox]

I was able to cancel some porn subscriptions and replace them with this book. I'm saving money, thank you Greg Land!

[tetragene]

I was able to cancel some porn subscriptions and replace them with this book. I'm saving money, thank you Greg Land!

see--there is a positive in everything! If only others shared your p.o.v.

another positive (which was already mentioned but bears repeating)--Nightcrawler out-manuevered a shot from an enemy! Finally! One of the most agile X-Men didn't get shot for once :D

regarding the Cyke "torture" scene--yeah, he could have just had Emma or Karma get the info, but I think the point was to show how the X-Men/mutants shouldn't be f*cked with in the first place. Cyclops was showing he can (and will) stoop to their enemies' methods... Now some may disagree with him doing that, but as far as it "not making sense"--I think it does.

am I the only one who thought it was odd that Dazzler showed up in a X-uniform even though she hasn't joined the team yet and was only mentioned in passing in the SI tie-in (which takes place after the current UXM arc, I'm assuming)?

[timbox]

am I the only one who thought it was odd that Dazzler showed up in a X-uniform even though she hasn't joined the team yet and was only mentioned in passing in the SI tie-in (which takes place after the current UXM arc, I'm assuming)?

Maybe before she visited Pixie, Beast was trying to convince her to rejoin, and she said she would think about it but it also depends on the uniform and how it looks on her.

Or maybe Beast had just finished ravaging her, and the clothes she came in were ripped up, so he let her borrow a uniform.

[Swashbuckler]

Or maybe Beast had just finished ravaging her, and the clothes she came in were ripped up, so he let her borrow a uniform.

I grant you a No Prize timbox. Congrats!

[nikbackm]

regarding the Cyke "torture" scene--yeah, he could have just had Emma or Karma get the info, but I think the point was to show how the X-Men/mutants shouldn't be f*cked with in the first place. Cyclops was showing he can (and will) stoop to their enemies' methods... Now some may disagree with him doing that, but as far as it "not making sense"--I think it does.

That was a good insight. Cyclops "torturing" the prisoner just to get information did not really make much sense (unless he wanted to practice, they might run out of telepaths at some point), but scaring the sh*t out of him and then releasing him (which I assume they will) could make other cultist think twice before going after the X-Men.

[LawGiver]

Sometimes you are so right.

Good thing this isn't one of those times.

I would love to give Brubaker/Fraction 100 issues more to write, I've never been more happier reading Uncanny.

[jarrod]

Sometimes you are so right.
<3 <3 <3


I've enjoyed the book under Brubaker. I like the new direction with the team. one man's "Trash" is another man's "Pretty darn good book."
Granted, and lord knows I'm often on the other end of the spectrum with popular opinion (ie: Milligan's X-Men, X-Treme X-Men in general, Stroman's X-Factor, etc). But Bru's Uncanny has been abysmal considering his supposed talent and reputation. Maybe it hasn't quite sunk as low as Austin, but at least Austin had some serious WTF going on... Brubaker's been crap and boring.

And his handling of women and relationships has been particularly foul, not to mention the glacial pacing, laughable dialogue, suddenly abandoned plot points, etc, etc. Really, just bad, bad, bad... I'm not sure what happened exactly, as Deadly Genesis was quite good I thought.

Honestly, I think Fraction's injection has actually improved this book, offensive "symbolism", cutesy script and all.


but go ahead and thrash and wail about.
Going by recent rumors, I won't have to much longer. :wink:

[LawGiver]

Fraction mentioned in one of the many interviews they did way back that he and Brubaker have planned out up to issue #530.

So it will be quite a while before his name doesn't appear on the book.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Fraction mentioned in one of the many interviews they did way back that he and Brubaker have planned out up to issue #530.

So it will be quite a while before his name doesn't appear on the book.

Considering the decompressed b.s. they've been shilling, that's not hard to do.

Perhaps craft the issues a little more carefully instead of stretching out ad nauseum?

[LawGiver]

Considering the decompressed b.s. they've been shilling, that's not hard to do.

Perhaps craft the issues a little more carefully instead of stretching out ad nauseum?

I find any statement coming from a man who endores New Exiles to carry absolutely no weight or merit.

Uncanny is perfect the way it is.

[jarrod]

Uncanny is trash. There's a reason sales haven't risen in the past few years.

[LawGiver]

Uncanny is trash. There's a reason sales haven't risen in the past few years.

The book is constantly in the top 10, being #1 seems to be reserved for event books.

[jarrod]

The book is constantly in the top 10, being #1 seems to be reserved for event books.
The book's always been constantly in the top 10, even under Claremont or Austin. The problem is sales haven't ever increased.

But this is a whole different debate really, sorry to bring sales into a quality argument (as it usually a non-starter). I just find it telling that no writer's really managed to actually boost this title (the way Morrison boosted NXM).

[Omega Alpha]

Uncanny is trash. There's a reason sales haven't risen in the past few years.

Sales FELL with Claremont and you consider his Uncanny to be brilliant. Double standards, anyone?

[Jack Flash]

The book's always been constantly in the top 10, even under Claremont or Austin. The problem is sales haven't ever increased.

But this is a whole different debate really, sorry to bring sales into a quality argument (as it usually a non-starter). I just find it telling that no writer's really managed to actually boost this title (the way Morrison boosted NXM).

that's an industry problem not a Brubaker problem.

Morrison or Bendis or maybe Ellis (Maybe). are the only folks who could boost sales measurably. They are stars in their own right.

[jarrod]

that's an industry problem not a Brubaker problem.

Morrison or Bendis or maybe Ellis (Maybe). are the only folks who could boost sales measurably. They are stars in their own right.
Granted, but then maybe they should be looking to get someone of that stature on the flagship then? Names like Millar, Gaiman, Ellis, etc? Which goes back to my original point somewhat, kill Astonishing and put that starpower on Uncanny. They're even sharing their core casts now, there's really no need for both.

Claremont was supposedly booted originally because sales were stagnant... and yet his successor's been on the book even longer now, with no sales progress either. I don't disagree it may be a industry problem, I think it's quite likely, but in the end sales still haven't moved as hoped...

[darknessatnoon]

Granted, but then maybe they should be looking to get someone of that stature on the flagship then? Names like Millar, Gaiman, Ellis, etc?

Ellis is on Astonishing, so... ?

Gaiman is not going to write a monthly for anyone and Millar is busy. He is not interested in writing Uncanny X-Men just for you, jarrod. I, personally, wish he would just so that you would stop whining about it.

[LawGiver]

Granted, but then maybe they should be looking to get someone of that stature on the flagship then? Names like Millar, Gaiman, Ellis, etc? Which goes back to my original point somewhat, kill Astonishing and put that starpower on Uncanny. They're even sharing their core casts now, there's really no need for both.

Claremont was supposedly booted originally because sales were stagnant... and yet his successor's been on the book even longer now, with no sales progress either. I don't disagree it may be a industry problem, I think it's quite likely, but in the end sales still haven't moved as hoped...

The problem with that is you aren't going to get a real big run out of those type writers. Millar has shown a lot interest in revamping the X-Men's titles but that got pushed away when the FF became free. I would have Brubaker/Fraction, who are doing great already imo, for 75 issues than Millar for 24-25.

[jarrod]

Ellis is on Astonishing, so... ?
And Astonishing's redundant.


Gaiman is not going to write a monthly for anyone and Millar is busy. He is not interested in writing Uncanny X-Men just for you, jarrod. I, personally, wish he would just so that you would stop whining about it.
Mark Millar + Rachel Grey = HEAVEN

I'm going to KEEP whining until the universe makes it happen.

[jester1436]

I'm going to KEEP whining until the universe makes it happen.

I think the universe would more likely make you spontaneously combust, to be honest.

[jarrod]

I think the universe would more likely make you spontaneously combust, to be honest.
You clearly need think more often. You're rusty.

[jester1436]

You clearly need think more often. You're rusty.

I'm a Skids.

[XaviersMisprint]

i actually LOVE uncanny right now. sure, land's art has its flaws, he traces some images and emotions are portrayed incorrectly at times, but he's not terrible. at least its not very ugly, if anything.

and i think the writing and stories have been great. i love the new direction... could be because i'm a "hip little teenager with no experience or maturity and like whatever someone hands me".

no. i can make conscious and clear decisions based on what i enjoy, and i enjoy this. it's not bad. people need to stop comparing things to other things, just enjoy what's in front of you as it is because its different right now, and you'll embrace that later. its a NEW direction, give it time. it WILL get better. i can tell. the reason people have difficulty liking something is because they compare it to somethign completely different. sure, its the same medium, but writers like millar and gaiman are COMPLETELY different and i wouldn't like to see them on uncanny x-men. they tell epic, witty and thought-provoking stories. gaiman, at least. millar's are... militaristic and realistic and violent. why? its the frigen x-men. its about fun, mixed with a few darker themes. why so serious?

[darknessatnoon]

i actually LOVE uncanny right now. sure, land's art has its flaws, he traces some images and emotions are portrayed incorrectly at times, but he's not terrible. at least its not very ugly, if anything.

and i think the writing and stories have been great. i love the new direction... could be because i'm a "hip little teenager with no experience or maturity and like whatever someone hands me".

no. i can make conscious and clear decisions based on what i enjoy, and i enjoy this. it's not bad. people need to stop comparing things to other things, just enjoy what's in front of you as it is because its different right now, and you'll embrace that later. its a NEW direction, give it time. it WILL get better. i can tell. the reason people have difficulty liking something is because they compare it to somethign completely different. sure, its the same medium, but writers like millar and gaiman are COMPLETELY different and i wouldn't like to see them on uncanny x-men. they tell epic, witty and thought-provoking stories. gaiman, at least. millar's are... militaristic and realistic and violent. why? its the frigen x-men. its about fun, mixed with a few darker themes. why so serious?

I'm not comparing it to previous runs, even though it is self-consciously comparing itself to other runs. But I think it sucks on its own (de)merits, as enumerated ad nauseum in this thread and previous ones. This run is giving me the runs.

[Charybdis4]

i actually LOVE uncanny right now. sure, land's art has its flaws, he traces some images and emotions are portrayed incorrectly at times, but he's not terrible. at least its not very ugly, if anything.



Sorry but Land's art is very, very ugly.

Granted he's done a few good trace jobs over the years (Phoenix End Song was pretty.) but Uncanny is seriously fugly. Land needs to sit down & work out what facial expressions people pull when they are in terror, angry, tense etc, instead of giving everyone that bloody awful head back, orgasm laugh crap he uses on every panel (with the exception of Hank who just gets a real lions head plopped on his shoulders...)

The writing isn't rocking my world either. It's not terrible, it just all feels a bit contrived which is a real shame because I want to love Uncanny as it should feature more underused characters (Dazz, Karma etc) rather than the hugely over exposed bunch. But then I pick up a copy & Land's art comes screaming out at you & I put it down again.

[Pugfugly]

but Uncanny is seriously fugly.

I did what now? I keed, I keed.

Speaking of Land though, I do really like his lion-traced Beast as opposed to his weird, blurry faced Hank from End Song/FCBD. It's actually closer to Quietly's original design than Cassady's.

[Pro]

that bloody awful head back, orgasm laugh crap he uses on every panel (with the exception of Hank who just gets a real lions head plopped on his shoulders...)

Wait till Hank has to laugh orgasmically, bet it won't be a pretty picture.

[Justin K.]

Bachalo should do the art for Uncanny. He did a great job furing Grey's End, and made Rachel look good (surprisingly), Land's emma, well she just looks weird. I like Bachalo's better.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/BachaloEmma.jpg

Well, anything would be better than Emma looking like this :tongue: :

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/UXM502-2.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/EmmaPose.jpg

[Justin K.]

Wait till Hank has to laugh orgasmically, bet it won't be a pretty picture.

http://www.mannpill.com/images/stories/content/images/bb/quickfix/lion-roar.jpg
:confused:

[tetragene]

Bachalo is one of the most overrated artists to grace the X-books IMHO. I don't get the hype. His scenes can be difficult to follow. All males have the big chunky jawline, all females have narrow ant faces. And all characters may as well be wearing army boots because he draws the feet ridiculously big.

If I could pick anyone to join Dodson on the book it would be McNiven.

[Jack Flash]

I'm a Skids.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[XaviersMisprint]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you WOULD find that funny! :-P

[pariah-1972]

Bachalo is one of the most overrated artists to grace the X-books IMHO. I don't get the hype. His scenes can be difficult to follow. All males have the big chunky jawline, all females have narrow ant faces. And all characters may as well be wearing army boots because he draws the feet ridiculously big.

If I could pick anyone to join Dodson on the book it would be McNiven.Bachalo is usually pretty decent although lately it seems to have gotten simpler which makes it easier to read but looks more generic,

[DeadXMan]

his Hammer headstory looked great

he seems to be heading back to his gen x days

[frog]

I did what now? I keed, I keed.

Speaking of Land though, I do really like his lion-traced Beast as opposed to his weird, blurry faced Hank from End Song/FCBD. It's actually closer to Quietly's original design than Cassady's.

Beast is the ultimate proof that Land no longer bothers to draw. Though Beast's look now varies greatly from artist to artist, they have all managed to give him enough expression to indicate a human mind exists within his cranium - except for Land. God forbid he have to put forth some thought and effort to give a character life.

[Swashbuckler]

Beast is the ultimate proof that Land no longer bothers to draw. Though Beast's look now varies greatly from artist to artist, they have all managed to give him enough expression to indicate a human mind exists within his cranium - except for Land. God forbid he have to put forth some thought and effort to give a character life.

Just be glad Land didn't trace some pouty lips or a moronic smile on to Beast. I'd rather him look stoned blank then like a cheap bimbo.

[frog]

Just be glad Land didn't trace some pouty lips or a moronic smile on to Beast. I'd rather him look stoned blank then like a cheap bimbo.

This is why I'm praying Beast and Brand are left out of Bru/Fraction's sex initiative. Oh the horror.

[worstblogever]

Just be glad Land didn't trace some pouty lips or a moronic smile on to Beast. I'd rather him look stoned blank then like a cheap bimbo.

Wait until there's 8 pages of an issue dedicated to Hank in bed with a "tarted up" Agent Brand.

frog and I think alike, it seems.

[frog]

Wait until there's 8 pages of an issue dedicated to Hank in bed with a "tarted up" Agent Brand.

frog and I think alike, it seems.

It won't be Brand - it will be Brand/Emma/Dazzler/Karma/WhateverwomenisappearinginUncannythesedays!