MERGE: New Female Versions of Male Characters

[Pixie_Solanas]

I mean, on the face of it all, it sounds pretty damn lame. The whole "ninja" thing is done, beaten, kicked, and literally flayed to death.

But i'm willing to give Bru the benefit of the doubt, since if anyone can make it work, he can.

Still, why not just use the original (and best)? Why femininize and ninja-fy it?

[Expletive Deleted]

I'm not really feeling the costume (especially the mask), but I have no objections to the idea of a new Bulseye.

[CyberHubbs]

Considering my feelings for the original Bullseye costume, this new one doesn't bother me too much. I reserve judgment until she makes her actual appearance.

[1WEBHEAD]

Her costume isn't very ninja like. It's something I would see at a japenese fashion show or halloween party.

Not as menacing as the original, but I'm willing to give Brubaker and Rucka the benefit of the doubt.

[Rahul]

Feminization of classic villains is sort of gaining momentum these days with Bullseye and Kraven.

While I think on the surface both of them dont look great in the looks department, lets see what the story holds....

[Cayman]

She reminds me of Kabuki, obviously.

David Mack should provide covers.

I'm sure she'll be cool.

[Asian_Invasion]

I am willing to give it a chance.

[Monty_Cristo]

it feels kind of similar to Echo's debut. because, realistically, Maya's aim was probably just as good.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Her costume isn't very ninja like. It's something I would see at a japenese fashion show or halloween party.

Not as menacing as the original, but I'm willing to give Brubaker and Rucka the benefit of the doubt.

It's not? I don't think you can get more "ninja-esque" without a Storm Shadow-esque cowl: Hell, they've even done the thinking for us and given her some damn shuriken. I'm still laughing at the chopsticks-in-the-hair.

http://i.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/Joe/dd111cvr_100.jpg

[DDM]

It's not? I don't think you can get more "ninja-esque" without a Storm Shadow-esque cowl: Hell, they've even done the thinking for us and given her some damn shuriken. I'm still laughing at the chopsticks-in-the-hair.

http://i.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/Joe/dd111cvr_100.jpg

She's about as menacing as a stripper or porn star. She does not scream "crazy assassin" to me.

[Pixie_Solanas]

She's about as menacing as a stripper or porn star. She does not scream "crazy assassin" to me.

She's Psylocke with a cute little bullseye on her head and an asian hair-bun. The more I think about this, the more I don't see how it's not going to be one big laugher.

[Monty_Cristo]

i guess it's all for the best. you need someone expendable for when the real Bullseye returns.

[1WEBHEAD]

She's about as menacing as a stripper or porn star. She does not scream "crazy assassin" to me.

Thank you!

[Wild Card13]

I'm ambivalent. On one hand, Bullseye is one of my favorite villains ever, and having another use his identity is blasphemy. On the other hand, Brubaker can do no wrong.

Does not compute.

[tjarvis]

I don't really see her having any lasting power to be honest. She's a dilluted version of a classic character she can't hope to rival (I mean, how do you top the character that gutted Elektra and killed Karen Page). But maybe Bru can work a good a story out of it.

I'm taking a wait and see approach.

[Colossus77]

She's about as menacing as a stripper or porn star. She does not scream "crazy assassin" to me.
Maybe she has some nasty STDs.

[DDM]

She's Psylocke with a cute little bullseye on her head and an asian hair-bun. The more I think about this, the more I don't see how it's not going to be one big laugher.

Psylocke, as Lady Mandarin, was quite menacing given she killed several assassins in her guise working for the Mandarin & the Hand; then she easily takes out Jubilee & Wolverine in the same issue. Psylocke, as a ninja, was quite a good move at the time, but has overstayed its welcome at this point. However, there's no comparison between Lady Mandarin & the stripper-porn star so-called assassin, Lady Bullseye.

[Monty_Cristo]

at least they didn't actually give Bullseye a sex change like they did Ultron and Loki.

[DDM]

i guess it's all for the best. you need someone expendable for when the real Bullseye returns.

Maybe Bullseye can deflate one of her boobs to discover she's a sentient blow-up sex doll gone crazy...? She only takes hot air to become a sentient assassin...:evilsmile:

[DDM]

I'm ambivalent. On one hand, Bullseye is one of my favorite villains ever, and having another use his identity is blasphemy. On the other hand, Brubaker can do no wrong.

Does not compute.

Read Uncanny X-Men; Brubaker is doing plenty wrong on the book. When he's on as a writer, his stories work well. But, when he's off, well, the stories are crap.

[Skytheen]

Where is she appearing? We haven't seen her yet, have we?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Read Uncanny X-Men; Brubaker is doing plenty wrong on the book. When he's on as a writer, his stories work well. But, when he's off, well, the stories are crap.

Yeah, he's ill-suited for Uncanny. Hopefully, the tandem of Brubaker and Fraction can work well on the book.

I thought he was good for Daredevil, but i'd like to see less of Matt's personal anguish and more classic "DD vs. traditional rogues" action. Bring back Bullseye, bring back Typhoid Mary, bring back the freakin' OWL for chrissakes. I am so sick of Matt crying about Milla. For god's sake Matt, snap out of it! She was just a rebound lay from Karen Page anyway.

[Alan2099]

It's not a horrible design, but did we really need a new Bullseye?

[Monty_Cristo]

It's not a horrible design, but did we really need a new Bullseye?

she can team up with new Kraven the Huntress.

[Toboe]

I like her Asian look, but I'm really not feeling the costume design. I expect her to end up rejected like Echo and the new White Tiger. Hopefully Brubaker can impress me with some interesting concept for her, but so far just the idea of Lady Bullseye sounds silly.

[StoneGold]

It's odd, but I think she'd work better for a book other than DD. He's got enough femme fatale villains. Iron Man hasn't had a good one in like a decade.

[Cthulhudrew]

Anyone want to take bets on how long it is until the real Bullseye offs this new one?

[StoneGold]

I think I'm going to hold off judgment until the colors come in. Because it it's just ribbon on flesh, that's a crappy costume design from multiple angles. Mostly because the ribbon over the mostly exposed breast, the way it is shown taut there, would cause her breast to be permanently shifted to the center.



Unless it's not supposed to be flesh were it looks like it is in black and white. I mean, if the costume is actually black and white, not black and flesh tone, it's a different situation all together. Which would pretty much kill the stripper/porn star thing as well. But it all comes down to how the thing is colored.

[bentleyml]

I think I'm going to hold off judgment until the colors come in. Because it it's just ribbon on flesh, that's a crappy costume design from multiple angles. Mostly because the ribbon over the mostly exposed breast, the way it is shown taut there, would cause her breast to be permanently shifted to the center.



Unless it's not supposed to be flesh were it looks like it is in black and white. I mean, if the costume is actually black and white, not black and flesh tone, it's a different situation all together. Which would pretty much kill the stripper/porn star thing as well. But it all comes down to how the thing is colored.

Here is a color image I found:
http://i.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/Joe/DD111FINAL.jpg

[StoneGold]

Yeah, that changes just about everything. She's more covered up than pretty much every female hero this side of, oh, I dunno, Echo in the man-suit?

[Cthulhudrew]

I'm still laughing at the chopsticks-in-the-hair.

What's funny about that? I know several girls who go with that look quite often.

In Lady Bullseye's case, I'm assuming they are actually useful (as weapons).

[bentleyml]

Knowing that she isn't half-naked does make the costume a bit better, but I'm just not sure there is a need for a female Bullseye. I think it'd be better if they used a different name for this female assassin (assuming that is what she is), even if they went with a symbol costume.

[Affinity]

"Lady Bullseye" is a weak name.

I'm guessing Djurdjevic designed the costume? It's nice, but I think too much is going on. It's definitely sleek and cool though, I like it somewhat.

[Young Avenger]

In Brubaker I trust. The man can do no wrong. I expect her to be good. I very like her design

[Siddon]

Here is a color image I found:
http://i.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/Joe/DD111FINAL.jpg

The mask is pretty sweet, but I'm not feeling the costume.

[La Fea]

I liked it at first glance when the Cup o' Joe article was released, but with you guys reposting it I'm starting to think its pretty fug.

[StoneGold]

I liked it at first glance when the Cup o' Joe article was released, but with you guys reposting it I'm starting to think its pretty fug.

And that's why you shouldn't read the Internet.

[DMike]

Considering the current Bullseye still has a broken neck, brain damage, and paralysis from the neck down from his fight with the American Eagle, I imagine he wouldn't have much to say about Lady Bullseye at all.

Unless he's a Skrull, of course.

[DDM]

she can team up with new Kraven the Huntress.

Kraven the Huntress, the female Doctor Octopus, Lady Bullseye all form a team off second rate villains! Brilliant! They can all do a Kabuki dance & start rapping just before they kill people...:rolleyes:

[DDM]

Here is a color image I found:
http://i.newsarama.com/Philly08/Marvel/Joe/DD111FINAL.jpg


How does she hide in the shadows with a white & red costume? Bullseye costume is black because he is an assassin using stealth. Here she just looks like a clown who thinks she's a stripper.

I hear Kraven the Huntress, & the female Doctor Octopus a calling...

[DDM]

Considering the current Bullseye still has a broken neck, brain damage, and paralysis from the neck down from his fight with the American Eagle, I imagine he wouldn't have much to say about Lady Bullseye at all.

Unless he's a Skrull, of course.

How can Bullseye have a broken neck? Like Wolverine, his bones are laced with adamantium.

[CyberHubbs]

How does she hide in the shadows with a white & red costume? Bullseye costume is black because he is an assassin using stealth. Here she just looks like a clown who thinks she's a stripper.

I hear Kraven the Huntress, & the female Doctor Octopus a calling...

It's a good thing there's no other female assassins that have ever worn those kind of colors.

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/d/d8/Elektra_small.jpg/442px-Elektra_small.jpg

:wink:

[Expletive Deleted]

Bullseye costume is black because he is an assassin using stealth.With bright white gloves, boots, belt, collar, and forehead.

He's a supervillain. If you want these characters to start dressing logically, you're really in the wrong genre.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

I'm not "feeling it," however, I don't think she has a red costume. Look at the background, unless she is on Mars, I'm fairly certain it is just the lighting in the piece. She looks like she has a black and white costume to me. .

[Pixie_Solanas]

What's funny about that? I know several girls who go with that look quite often.

In Lady Bullseye's case, I'm assuming they are actually useful (as weapons).

What's funny is the chicks you know aren't superhero assassins.

Weapons? Nah, just lame.

[CyberHubbs]

What's funny is the chicks you know aren't superhero assassins.

Weapons? Nah, just lame.

Maybe she just wants to feel pretty while gutting someone. Gawd.

[Pixie_Solanas]

With bright white gloves, boots, belt, collar, and forehead.

He's a supervillain. If you want these characters to start dressing logically, you're really in the wrong genre.

The costume doesn't bother me (aside from the ridiculously asian girly chopsticks), it's the general idea of it all.

You're right though, you can't nitpick superhero costumes with a practical bent, or else they'd all be clad in camo and army boots. And how freakin' boring would that be?

[Cthulhudrew]

What's funny is the chicks you know aren't superhero assassins.

Uh huh. That is funny. :rolleyes:


Weapons? Nah, just lame.

If she's anything like Bullseye (and I'm assuming the choice of moniker isn't a coincidence), then I'm sure they could be. Bullseye's used toothpicks to kill people. Chopsticks are somewhat more reasonable.

Again, though, it's not as if it couldn't just be a fashion thing. Lots of girls do it. I'm still not seeing anything strange about it at all.

[Siddon]

How can Bullseye have a broken neck? Like Wolverine, his bones are laced with adamantium.

But he doesn't have a healing factor you can still break the cartilaginous discs. He doesn't have adamantum connective tissue.

[CaptainCanada]

Still, why not just use the original (and best)?
Bullseye is currently paralyzed in Thunderbolts Mountain (and being used in Thunderbolts).

It's way, way too early to make any judgments on the character; all we've got is a couple of promo images.

I will say though, she's got an awesome costume.

[brundlefly]

So is Brubaker a fan of Park Chan-wook? :biggrin:

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1817/ladyvengeancedvdcoverew9.jpg

[StoneGold]

How does she hide in the shadows with a white & red costume? Bullseye costume is black because he is an assassin using stealth. Here she just looks like a clown who thinks she's a stripper.


Have you ever actually seen a female stripper before? They tend not to wear full-body spandex.


And your point on Bullseye is kind of crap, too. Unless you know any assassin who wants to make his head and upper shoulders area visible by making them white.

[StoneGold]

What's funny is the chicks you know aren't superhero assassins.

Weapons? Nah, just lame.

http://www.expertvillage.com/video-series/1923_chopsticks-weapon.htm

[agrich]

I think I'll wait until she appears in an issue before dismissing her.

Truth be told, they might have gone about as far as they can with the original Bullseye in Daredevil anyway. He shows up, tries to kill Daredevil's wife/girlfriend, succeeds/fails, then gets a beat down. I think it's more interesting at this point seeing him in other titles, like his recent appearances in Thunderbolts. More unpredictable.

[DDM]

It's a good thing there's no other female assassins that have ever worn those kind of colors.

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/d/d8/Elektra_small.jpg/442px-Elektra_small.jpg

:wink:

Except on Elektra, her clothes makes sense. She's an assasin & wears the blood red color to match. There's no comparison between Elektra & Lady Bullseye. LB looks far too artsy to be an assassin.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Female versions of already established male villains are kinda lame. Remember Lady Octopus? Its just sad when a new female villain is just a clone of a popular male villain. Wow, the same old Bullseye stories, only with a girl.

I think it would be better if they just gave Typhoid Mary an arc to herself, there is a female villain who isn't a clone and she could use some more panel time.

[DDM]

Have you ever actually seen a female stripper before? They tend not to wear full-body spandex.

Strippers do wear clothes, but they can be removed while dancing.



And your point on Bullseye is kind of crap, too. Unless you know any assassin who wants to make his head and upper shoulders area visible by making them white.

Bullseye is insane. He also wears a costume to match his identity; it still makes him no less dangerous a villain. However, I'm not so sure about Lady Bullseye...

[CyberHubbs]

Except on Elektra, her clothes makes sense. She's an assasin & wears the blood red color to match. There's no comparison between Elektra & Lady Bullseye. LB looks far too artsy to be an assassin.

Does the bright red blend into the shadows well?

[DDM]

Female versions of already established male villains are kinda lame. Remember Lady Octopus? Its just sad when a new female villain is just a clone of a popular male villain. Wow, the same old Bullseye stories, only with a girl.

I think it would be better if they just gave Typhoid Mary an arc to herself, there is a female villain who isn't a clone and she could use some more panel time.

Agreed.

Typhoid Mary is a great character--who like Bullseye--is crazy! I like the conflict between Typhoid Mary & Mary with Daredevil in the middle. Ann Nocenti & John Romita Jr created a memorable character given she's a mutant pyrokinetic, low level telepath (controls rats & other animals), & always ran a fever when dominant. During Inferno, Typhoid Mary is partying with demons! And she ups the Kingpin when she says she was talking to his boss, but when the Kingpin says he has no boss, the demon corrects him. Typhoid Mary just laughs.

[DDM]

Does the bright red blend into the shadows well?

I think comparing Elektra to LB is a mistake; Elektra is her own character. Lady Bullseye is female knock-off of an established character.

[DDM]

Maybe she just wants to feel pretty while gutting someone. Gawd.

Except the sticks keeps her hair in a bun; removing the sticks messes up her hair & she could easily miss her shot.

[CyberHubbs]

I think comparing Elektra to LB is a mistake; Elektra is her own character. Lady Bullseye is female knock-off of an established character.

Does. The. Bright. Red. Blend. In. With. The. Shadows?

[Stormshadow]

I am honestly sick of so many female heroes. It may sound sexist--oh well--I've never been one to be politically correct. I was an active martial artist for about ten years. Never did I see a female who was able to hack it against a male of equal experience. A much larger portion of women vs. men quit the martial arts t because they cannot handle the discipline that goes along with it, nor do they enjoy competing with men in the same class. Even though the military now employs women, how many female soldiers do you know? How many police officers? How many firemen? Men simply outclass women when it comes to flight/fight syndrome.

Yes, there are many women who are in superb shape. A very minute portion are bodybuilders. Many women take "kickboxing aerobics" and other such classes. Does this prepare them for combat? Hell no. Women simply do not have the potential nor the necessary aggression that men do that would enable them to kick some ass.

That being said--yes, there used to be room for female superheroes--but definitely not a 50/50 ratio of what seems to be happening IF it is to reflect say, normal human athleticism/potential/aggression usually attritubed to TESTOSTERONE.

I can take, say, an Elektra and a Jean Grey here and there.....maybe even a She-Hulk because of the nature of her powers...........but for all the x-23 characters that are out there.......I have a Hulkism to say....."bah!".

[CyberHubbs]

I am honestly sick of so many female heroes. It may sound sexist--oh well--I've never been one to be politically correct. I was an active martial artist for about ten years. Never did I see a female who was able to hack it against a male of equal experience. A much larger portion of women vs. men quit the martial arts t because they cannot handle the discipline that goes along with it, nor do they enjoy competing with men in the same class. Even though the military now employs women, how many female soldiers do you know? How many police officers? How many firemen? Men simply outclass women when it comes to flight/fight syndrome.

Yes, there are many women who are in superb shape. A very minute portion are bodybuilders. Many women take "kickboxing aerobics" and other such classes. Does this prepare them for combat? Hell no. Women simply do not have the potential nor the necessary aggression that men do that would enable them to kick some ass.

That being said--yes, there used to be room for female superheroes--but definitely not a 50/50 ratio of what seems to be happening IF it is to reflect say, normal human athleticism/potential/aggression usually attritubed to TESTOSTERONE.

I can take, say, an Elektra and a Jean Grey here and there.....maybe even a She-Hulk because of the nature of her powers...........but for all the x-23 characters that are out there.......I have a Hulkism to say....."bah!".

Seriously, man. Why can't they be cookin' dinner for the men when they get home after a long day of fighting Dr. Doom?

[StoneGold]

Strippers do wear clothes, but they can be removed while dancing.

That doesn't answer the question. You ever worn a wetsuit? You ever try to take one off quickly? Full body spandex doesn't come off easily. I have never, ever seen a stripper wear anything that looks remotely like that costume. If anything, it looks more Cirque du Soleil. So unless French Canadian acrobats are the same thing as strippers in your mind, you're off-base. If Lady Bullseye looks like a stripper to you, could you please list a female character who doesn't? Because the character is more covered up than Sue Storm. Hell, if you go by the Marko cover, the costume has wrinkles in it! It's not even just painted skin!




Bullseye is insane. He also wears a costume to match his identity; it still makes him no less dangerous a villain. However, I'm not so sure about Lady Bullseye...

Which you know from all of the no information we have about her other than her name.

And it's still a crap claim, because pretty much every other assassin character ends up wearing some form of brightly colored spandex as well. Is Taskmaster insane? Bright blue, orange and white might not be the best idea for a costume. It's a trope of the genre. You don't call BS on it now, without calling into question every Wolverine story, ever. Even the ones before he was overused.

[Monty_Cristo]

That doesn't answer the question. You ever worn a wetsuit? You ever try to take one off quickly? Full body spandex doesn't come off easily. I have never, ever seen a stripper wear anything that looks remotely like that costume. If anything, it looks more Cirque du Soleil. So unless French Canadian acrobats are the same thing as strippers in your mind, you're off-base. If Lady Bullseye looks like a stripper to you, could you please list a female character who doesn't?

Jessica Jones. girl looks like a manatee.



And it's still a crap claim, because pretty much every other assassin character ends up wearing some form of brightly colored spandex as well. Is Taskmaster insane? Bright blue, orange and white might not be the best idea for a costume.

he's a teacher; not an assassin. the colors help his students focus and his clients to remember him. when he's in the field he wears muted colors; grey and dark blue.

[Cthulhudrew]

That being said--yes, there used to be room for female superheroes--but definitely not a 50/50 ratio of what seems to be happening IF it is to reflect say, normal human athleticism/potential/aggression usually attritubed to TESTOSTERONE.

You know we're talking about comics, right? Where a 90-lb weakling can drink a special serum and become the pinnacle of human perfection? Where gamma radiation mutates people into rampaging beasts rather than just killing them outright?

Realism, it ain't.

[Monty_Cristo]

Seriously, man. Why can't they be cookin' dinner for the men when they get home after a long day of fighting Dr. Doom?

because they're stupid?


Female versions of already established male villains are kinda lame. Remember Lady Octopus? Its just sad when a new female villain is just a clone of a popular male villain. Wow, the same old Bullseye stories, only with a girl.

I think it would be better if they just gave Typhoid Mary an arc to herself, there is a female villain who isn't a clone and she could use some more panel time.

there should be a male version of Typhoid Mary to even the score. Typhoid Marvin, anyone?

[StoneGold]

he's a teacher; not an assassin. the colors help his students focus and his clients to remember him. when he's in the field he wears muted colors; grey and dark blue.

Except when he is an assassin. And he's been shown doing that in his full Perez gear.

[CyberHubbs]

because they're stupid?

Well, then what are they good for?!

[Monty_Cristo]

Well, then what are they good for?!

transportation? someone has to pull the sled.


Except when he is an assassin. And he's been shown doing that in his full Perez gear.

skrull

[CyberHubbs]

transportation? someone has to pull the sled.


We're right back where we started, though. Women just are not strong enough to pull a sled. You'd need, like, fifty of them. And if one breaks a nail? Well, that's an entire other can of worms.

[HeckBoy]

Just going on the costume design alone, I do not like Lady Bullseye. That costume is horrendous and the "target" designs look incredible silly the way they're placed on her body. I'm also not too fond of the whole "gender spinoffs of established characters" thing (there are certain exclusions though).

[Monty_Cristo]

Just going on the costume design alone, I do not like Lady Bullseye. That costume is horrendous and the "target" designs look incredible silly the way they're placed on her body. I'm also not too fond of the whole "gender spinoffs of established characters" thing (there are certain exclusions though).

i like Scorpia.

[Jack]

Just going on the costume design alone, I do not like Lady Bullseye. That costume is horrendous and the "target" designs look incredible silly the way they're placed on her body. I'm also not too fond of the whole "gender spinoffs of established characters" thing (there are certain exclusions though).
Are those exclusions based on costumes, or did you make them based on having actually read stories featuring the characters?

[Pyro]

I hope to God that Lady Bullseye does NOT become a romantic interest to Daredevil/Matt Murdock. I also hope she doesn't kill Milla. Basically, I hope she doesn't tread water that's long been dried up. As long as Brubaker does something different with her, I guess I won't complain. This is the guy that brought back Bucky, and it didn't suck. However, this is also the guy who created Vulcan, so I don't know what to expect from him.

[DMike]

Female versions of already established male villains are kinda lame. Remember Lady Octopus? Its just sad when a new female villain is just a clone of a popular male villain. Wow, the same old Bullseye stories, only with a girl.

I think it would be better if they just gave Typhoid Mary an arc to herself, there is a female villain who isn't a clone and she could use some more panel time.

Considering Typhoid Mary is the current frontrunner on the rumors of who Mutant Zero is over in the Initiative book, she may be a little tied up at the moment.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Considering Typhoid Mary is the current frontrunner on the rumors of who Mutant Zero is over in the Initiative book, she may be a little tied up at the moment.

Oh jeez, who's bright idea was that? Typhoid Mary as mutant zero?

Why ruin a great character like that?

[Monty_Cristo]

Oh jeez, who's bright idea was that? Typhoid Mary as mutant zero?

Why ruin a great character like that?

how would having one more personality ruin her? she already has 3.

[Alan2099]

how would having one more personality ruin her? she already has 3.

4 actually. Bloody mary, Typhoid Mary, Mary and Mary Walker.

[DDM]

4 actually. Bloody mary, Typhoid Mary, Mary and Mary Walker.

I feel a Contrary Mary on the horizon...!

She's best as originally conceived: Typhoid Mary & Mary

Typhoid Mary can become Bloody Mary if she's messy with one of her kills...:rolleyes:

[Cthulhudrew]

Oh jeez, who's bright idea was that? Typhoid Mary as mutant zero?

Why ruin a great character like that?

It's just speculation at this point.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Considering Typhoid Mary is the current frontrunner on the rumors of who Mutant Zero is over in the Initiative book, she may be a little tied up at the moment.

While she was in Hood's gang? Pure speculation.

[Pixie_Solanas]

i like Scorpia.

and i like Poundcakes.

[Nyssane]

i like Scorpia.

Every time you post, a piece of my clothing falls to the floor.
Tell me how much you love Blanche and you can take me, I'll be yours.

A poem for my future husband.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I looked through this entire thread and not one picture of the culprit.. Hmm, a link to a photo of this lady bullseye so that I may formulate an opinion?

[Jack]

I looked through this entire thread and not one picture of the culprit.. Hmm, a link to a photo of this lady bullseye so that I may formulate an opinion?
There were two pictures of her. One in black and white and one coloured.

[Kage Kisaragi]

There were two pictures of her. One in black and white and one coloured.

http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/56000/55499/13661-lady-bullseye_400.jpg

Ahh, found her at comicvine. I wanna say that she makes me think Faux, as in artificial.. in terms of originality, but isn't the real Bullseye I again 100% paralyzed. Something happen to him in Thunderbolts that I thought pretty much left him alive but totally useless. He's trapped within his own body now or something right?

Again this new bullseye, (whats up with all these sexy Asian women assassins immigrating to the states?) I'm assuming shes going to be in the states? I think every comicbook company has a token female Asian assassin now, it's practically pop cultural law that any action genre have at least 1 or more female Asian assassins. You can't help but trip over all of them.

Not sure that she is Asian, but she definitely looks it.

[Monty_Cristo]

i don't know why but Lady Bullseye reminds me of one of the villains in the Dolph Lundgren 'Punisher' movie.

[Jimmy Holograph]

Not sure that she is Asian, but she definitely looks it.
I think Ed Brubaker confirmed that she is Japanese.

I for one like the idea, as long as the story is good. I actually like the costume as well, I just wonder how it will look when Lark draws it.

[Mississippienne]

http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/56000/55499/13661-lady-bullseye_400.jpg

Ahh, found her at comicvine. I wanna say that she makes me think Faux, as in artificial.. in terms of originality, but isn't the real Bullseye I again 100% paralyzed. Something happen to him in Thunderbolts that I thought pretty much left him alive but totally useless. He's trapped within his own body now or something right?

Again this new bullseye, (whats up with all these sexy Asian women assassins immigrating to the states?) I'm assuming shes going to be in the states? I think every comicbook company has a token female Asian assassin now, it's practically pop cultural law that any action genre have at least 1 or more female Asian assassins. You can't help but trip over all of them.

Not sure that she is Asian, but she definitely looks it.

Hardly a coincidence. Check out the shockingly long list of Asian Babymamas in comics (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AsianBabymama). It's pure straight white boy fantasy -- the writers would like to bang hot Asian chicks, so they make it so their superheroes bang hot Asian chicks.

Matt definitely goes for sexy, dangerous, exotic martial artist babes. Elektra, Black Widow, Typhoid Mary, Echo, etc. etc. This Lady Bullseye will be right up his alley. If Punisher had happened to be female, Matt would've banged her, too.

[Frank]

It seems to me like Brubaker like his fellow former crime comic-book writers like Greg Rucka and Brian Michael Bendis is a little too obsessed with woman comic characters. :wink:

But i'll read the story before I judge.

[Breadfan]

Hi just want to get everyones' opinion on something.

Is it just me or is Marvel going a little overboard on women in comics. I mean it seems that they are remaking everyone as a woman.

First Loki, then Mr. Sinister, then a woman Bullseye?!?!?!?! Who's next a woman Hulk? Oh wait there is She-Hulk. I forgot there is X-23 a woman Wolverine.

So what's the big idea? Is there a woman CEO at Marvel now or what?

So what do you think, is Marvel overdoing it with women heroes and villians now??

[Expletive Deleted]

They make up half the population. I'm not seeing a problem, here.

[marvell2100]

Man! I thought this was a thread about Motley Crew. Anyways Like Expletive Deleted said, they do make up the majority of the worlds pop. And believe me, there is a guy running Marvel. Case in point: Have you seen how Lady B. and Lady S. are dressed? Hot! Hot! Hot!

[The Cool Thatguy]

They make up half the population. I'm not seeing a problem, here.

Agreed, though personally I'd rather they be new characters than knock offs of an existing male character. I think Thundera is the only female character who doesn't owe her strength to being a female knock off in the whole freakin' MU!

[vazel]

What I would want to see is more women writers and artists.

[Guest_1001]

Agreed, though personally I'd rather they be new characters than knock offs of an existing male character.

Agreed. I was about to say this myself.

[StoneGold]

So what you're saying is that you don't like girls?

[Pixie_Solanas]

Don't forget the female Starhawk in the new GotG.

Actually, I like that one.

[Nyssane]

What I would want to see is more women writers and artists.

Ditto.

I'd also like to see more unconventional women in comics. Why is it that they have no problem creating monstrous, disgusting-looking men, but every time there's a demon-looking female, she has to be super sultry? Annoying.

Gladiatrix should get her own series.

[SayOcean]

Can they bring back the girl version of Storm please

[Pixie_Solanas]

What I would want to see is more women writers and artists.

Why, because they're women? I'd like to see more QUALITY writers and artists, period. **** gender, that's irrelevant to me. I just want a good story and good art, don't care whether who's making it has a breadbox or a bagette.

[Enyo]

Loki is far more interesting as a female but that is because of exceptional writing and art.

I"ve been following Gail Simone's WW run, it's good but her style is quite different from other writers and takes some getting used to.We need more great women writers. In the art department there's Adriana Melo, Amanda Conner, Rachel Dodson working on PG, Ms. M and WW all doing great work. Do a wiki search for women comic writers and artists and you may be surprised at how long the lists are.

[taozen]

Ditto.

I'd also like to see more unconventional women in comics. Why is it that they have no problem creating monstrous, disgusting-looking men, but every time there's a demon-looking female, she has to be super sultry? Annoying.

Gladiatrix should get her own series.

That is because the superhero comic is by and large adolesent male fantasies. What young guy does not want to have ripped muscle? that is why the heroes are drawn that way. And the women are over sexualized in their appearance.

Now look at the comics that are or have been more pupular with women: Sandman, Fables, Elfquest. Many of the women in those books are not over sexualized with big hips and breast. They look more nomal proportioned look, even though they are usually very thin. Also look at how the men are drawn in those books. They have an androgynous appearance at least in Sandman and Elfquest.

[Icebreaka]

I have to admit it has been getting more and more. I'm all for women in comics but do they need to rehash formerly male characters as women? THere have been tons of examples lately.

Here's a few

Scorpion
Kraven
Tarantula
Hawkeye
Miss Sinister

And those are just recent ones that came to mind.

[da gooch]

don't forget the female black panther they have been teasing

[Monty_Cristo]

That is because the superhero comic is by and large adolesent male fantasies. What young guy does not want to have ripped muscle?

what young female wants to be monstrous looking or unattractive?

[chaosakita]

Agreed, though personally I'd rather they be new characters than knock offs of an existing male character. I think Thundera is the only female character who doesn't owe her strength to being a female knock off in the whole freakin' MU!

I agree. I'd rather not see female characters than knock-off female ones.


That is because the superhero comic is by and large adolesent male fantasies. What young guy does not want to have ripped muscle? that is why the heroes are drawn that way. And the women are over sexualized in their appearance.

Now look at the comics that are or have been more pupular with women: Sandman, Fables, Elfquest. Many of the women in those books are not over sexualized with big hips and breast. They look more nomal proportioned look, even though they are usually very thin. Also look at how the men are drawn in those books. They have an androgynous appearance at least in Sandman and Elfquest.

Then you go look at anime.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Then you go look at anime.

Game, set, match.

[James Conniff]

Agreed, though personally I'd rather they be new characters than knock offs of an existing male character.

Well said. I love women superheroes, but they need to be more than chick versions of our favorite marvel characters. Marvels Merry Mutants tend to have stronger leading women without being knock off characters...except X-23.

I'm all for women carrying on legacies (like the new Kraven, due to her dad being dead, and her Brother using the same name, it is a Legacy title:Kraven the Hunter) but do we need new characters who are slightly altered versions of their male counter parts? I really don't think so.

[DoctorDoom]

They make up half the population. I'm not seeing a problem, here.
Neither am I.

[Monty_Cristo]

sooooo...how about that new Liberators team?

[Comet Man]

Hi just want to get everyones' opinion on something.

Is it just me or is Marvel going a little overboard on women in comics. I mean it seems that they are remaking everyone as a woman.

First Loki, then Mr. Sinister, then a woman Bullseye?!?!?!?! Who's next a woman Hulk? Oh wait there is She-Hulk. I forgot there is X-23 a woman Wolverine.

So what's the big idea? Is there a woman CEO at Marvel now or what?

So what do you think, is Marvel overdoing it with women heroes and villians now??

Don't forget Quasar.

Yes, they're overdoing it. Why are they doing it? I don't know. Does Marvel not have enough creative talent to create women heroes and villains from scratch, instead of replacing great male heroes and villains, and stealing they're identities?

As far as I'm concerned, the less female heroes and villains, the better. Don't get me wrong, women are great - in the kitchen and the bedroom.:wink:

edit: Better make sure everybody knows I'm kidding.

[StoneGold]

Don't forget the female Starhawk in the new GotG.

Actually, I like that one.

Yeah, but Starhawk has always kind of been a chick. Sort of.

[DoctorDoom]

Yeah, but Starhawk has always kind of been a chick. Sort of.
It's a.... complicated story.

[moochavelli]

It's a.... complicated story.

What do you mean?
Husband and wife who can't stand each other forced by an alien hawk god to inhabit the same body in the future of an alternate timeline where martians invaded the Earth, while the wife tries to have an extra-marital affair with a future version of Vance Astro who happens to have inherited Captain America's shield?
That old chestnut? Quite typical really. :wink:

[midnightman2001]

Mister Sinister ( I was told, I don't read x-men books) so is it Ms. Sinister now?:eek:
Loki
Quasar
tranchula
She-Kraven
Lady Bullseye
Star Hawk

Any more? Maybe someone at Marvel is into the entire sex change thing! :eek: :biggrin: (not that I have anything against that. If your into that or if 1 of my friends all of a sudden decided to do that, I would 100% support them. I figure they would have to deal with enough %$#@, they dont need it from a friend) :smile:

[DaeJi]

To be fair, a lot of male heroes aren't transformed into females, they are replaced by females or a female comes along and uses a similar name (like the new Lady Bullseye).

[midnightman2001]

Yes, but it happens at such a rapid pace that it seems like a pattern.

[B. Kuwanger]

There are talks of a Sisterhood of Evil Mutants.

[midnightman2001]

LOL. I wonder why all of a sudden there is this interest in making existing characters females?

Over at DC, they are re-making existing characters over into minorities. It seems contrived & forced. ( blue beetle, firestorm, etc)

[DaeJi]

LOL. I wonder why all of a sudden there is this interest in making existing characters females?

Probably because most original female characters (actually, most original characters) don't sell so hotly and then are killed off in some hack "shock" moment. So basing new characters off of old ones seems to be a way to gain reader interest and keep them alive.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Xavin from Runaways and Spider-woman from Ultimate Spider-man.

[Alex Smith]

LOL. I wonder why all of a sudden there is this interest in making existing characters females?

Over at DC, they are re-making existing characters over into minorities. It seems contrived & forced. ( blue beetle, firestorm, etc)

You think it seems forced? Hmm, I'd have to disagree there. As Blue Beetle is a great book, and Firestorm was great while it was going on.

As for the sudden change here, who knows? Maybe someone is going through a rough divorce.

[midnightman2001]

Yes forced. It seems like every other month, DC forces a minority superhero upon its readers. One month its this group, next month its the other. There was a running bet at my LCS that the next Dc hero was going to be Eskimo! Its contrived & due to stupid political correctness.

Look at the Falcon, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Black Goliath, Red Wolf, Gunhawks ( at least 1/2 of them) Thunderbird (X-men) Black Lightning, Dawnstar... all great characters & they are NOT forced due to some silly %$#@!

[Aquacadet #6031]

And then there was...
http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/NOVA005cover.jpg

[Suicide Squad Fan]

What do you mean?
Husband and wife who can't stand each other forced by an alien hawk god to inhabit the same body in the future of an alternate timeline where martians invaded the Earth, while the wife tries to have an extra-marital affair with a future version of Vance Astro who happens to have inherited Captain America's shield?
That old chestnut? Quite typical really. :wink:

Wait, which one's the Skrull again? :biggrin:

[TJKernan]

I don't see the problem here...

Characters and concepts get revamps all the time, what is the problme with the revamp being a different gender (or race , or anything else for that matter).

We don't live in an all-white, all male world, so why should our comics be that way? Spread it out a little to better reflect the world we live in, and maybe this will bring more readers into the fold, which means more money, which means more series, better writers, etc, etc, etc...

Besides, I don't know about you 'guys', but I would rather look at a woman than a guy anytime...

[Guest_1001]

We don't live in an all-white, all male world, so why should our comics be that way?

We're not saying they should. We don't live in a world where we end up being replaced by someone similar to us but the opposite sex, so why should our comics be that way?

[Expletive Deleted]

We don't live in a world where we end up being replaced by someone similar to us but the opposite sex, so why should our comics be that way?If I were to leave my job for some reason, there's a very good chance my replacement would be a woman with a similar skill set. Granted, I'm in a female-dominated profession, but still.

[chaosakita]

I don't see the problem here...

Characters and concepts get revamps all the time, what is the problme with the revamp being a different gender (or race , or anything else for that matter).

We don't live in an all-white, all male world, so why should our comics be that way? Spread it out a little to better reflect the world we live in, and maybe this will bring more readers into the fold, which means more money, which means more series, better writers, etc, etc, etc...

Besides, I don't know about you 'guys', but I would rather look at a woman than a guy anytime...

I would hardly buy a comic based on what race or gender the character is. And I hardly buy comics for fanservice.



If I were to leave my job for some reason, there's a very good chance my replacement would be a woman with a similar skill set. Granted, I'm in a female-dominated profession, but still.

Being replaced in a profession and being replaced as a character are two different things.

[Nyssane]

Besides, I don't know about you 'guys', but I would rather look at a woman than a guy anytime...


I would hardly buy a comic based on what race or gender the character is. And I hardly buy comics for fanservice.

A lot of people read comics where they feel they can relate to the main character(s) in some form. Straight black male readers relate to straight black male characters moreso than they do gay Asian women.

Yeah, there are more male readers in the comic industry, but that's not to say there aren't women. Yet, they seem to disregard most female fans and simply create female characters who are considered "hot" by male readers. There are tons of un-hot male characters. I doubt any woman reads Fantastic Four and wants to jump the Thing's bones based simply on his appearance.

There should be more equality and more realistic, or even unattractive, female characters. :biggrin: Or Gladiatrix could get her own series.

[Expletive Deleted]

Being replaced in a profession and being replaced as a character are two different things.That's entirely true. But how many of these female characters are actually replacing a male character in that sense? Seriously, I'm not seeing any.

Loki and Sinister are the same characters they always were. No replacement, there.

Lady Bullseye isn't replacing Bullseye to any degree. He's still alive, kicking, and having his own evil adventures over in THUNDERBOLTS. Ditto X-23, She-Hulk, YA's Hawkeye, and whoever else.

Starhawk showing up as a female is essentially meaningless since A) he's been occasionally female before and B) we're clearly dealing with alternate realities.

She-Kraven and Tarantula are true replacements for male characters, but in both those cases the original version is long since dead. And, hell, in the case of Kraven at least two male replacements have come and gone since. Tarantula has had at least one, too, if I'm not mistaken. If you're going to complain about them being replaced in general, sans the gender component, you're years too late. That's the situation that I'd say is analogous to stepping into a new job, in that there's no longer a singular identity to the character concept.

Even Quasar, who is a more direct (and closer) replacement of a male character, has a built-in legacy angle. I won't argue that the transfer of the identity was handled well, especially in giving Phyla the Quasar name (and in killing off Wendell in the process), but I will argue that the very nature of the character concept opens itself to "passing of the torch" situations.

Who else is there?

[chaosakita]

A lot of people read comics where they feel they can relate to the main character(s) in some form. Straight black male readers relate to straight black male characters moreso than they do gay Asian women.

I did this post a long, long time ago on another topic, but I'd just like to say again that I have never related to a person based on their ethnic origin/gender/sexual orientation. And frankly, I don't want to see a character with my background.

Having a more diverse cast is fine, but I don't think it should be just so people can relate to them.


That's entirely true. But how many of these female characters are actually replacing a male character in that sense? Seriously, I'm not seeing any.

You compare female characters replacing the original males ones to you getting replaced by a female person at your profession, so I felt inclined to point out that I disagree.

[CMBMOOL]

What about Spider-girl, the daughter of Spider-man and Mary Jane, and her world of heroines, like American Dream or Wild Thing ? :tongue:

[Clea]

So what do you think, is Marvel overdoing it with women heroes and villians now??

Nope, not at all.

[arp2008]

Meh. As far as I'm concerned if Marvel wants to adron their titles with a few sexy bodies and some pretty faces I don't see the problem. As a matter of fact its good idea. Sex does sell after all.

[Comet Man]

Meh. As far as I'm concerned if Marvel wants to adron their titles with a few sexy bodies and some pretty faces I don't see the problem. As a matter of fact its good idea. Sex does sell after all.

I don't buy Marvel superhero comics for sexual pleasure. The women aren't real. I buy them for good old fashioned adolescent fun and escapism entertainment.

To me, it just doesn't make sense to replace male characters with female ones, and they're only doing it because of PC reasons. It's forced and contrived. I feel the same about replacing female characters with male characters. I don't really feel the same way as far as race or ethnic group goes, as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

[celticguy]

DC would never do this with out "Question"

[bad trotsky]

Lady Ultron, Miss SInister, Lady Black Panther, Lady Loki, Miss Bullseye, Lady Kraken the Hunter, Please stop this. Make a new female hero do not rip off the male heros for them (or villian).

[Beast]

Most of those wouldn't technically be considered rip offs.

All of them rolling out so close together certainly has made the idea a bit overdone.

But I don't see a serious problem with most or any of them.

[bad trotsky]

I was gonna post a much longer list including charecters like She-Hulk and X-23. I am not gonna judge which ones you think are rippoffs or not. They are to me. I am just tired of it.

[Beast]

I was gonna post a much longer list including charecters like She-Hulk and X-23. I am not gonna judge which ones you think are rippoffs or not. They are to me. I am just tired of it.
Well, Ultron isn't. He just chose a new form based off Jan.

And Ms. Sinister isn't. She may be a clone of him, but she's incredibly different character wise.

The Female Black Panther isn't either. It's just someone new with the mantle other than T'Challa.

Lady Loki wouldn't be a ripoff, because it is still Loki... just in a new female form after Ragnarok.

Lady Bullseye is just someone who has an obsession with Bullseye. IIRC. The homage makes sense.

I haven't really followed the new Kraven. But the old one is dead, so it's no big deal there.

Even She-Hulk and X-23 while sharing similaries with their originators are different characters.

[Gamiel]

Lady Ultron, Miss SInister, Lady Black Panther, Lady Loki, Miss Bullseye, Lady Kraken the Hunter, Please stop this. Make a new female hero do not rip off the male heros for them (or villian).

Kraken:confused:

[HeckBoy]

Well, Ultron isn't. He just chose a new form based off Jan.

And Ms. Sinister isn't. She may be a clone of him, but she's incredibly different character wise.

The Female Black Panther isn't either. It's just someone new with the mantle other than T'Challa.

Lady Loki wouldn't be a ripoff, because it is still Loki... just in a new female form after Ragnarok.

Lady Bullseye is just someone who has an obsession with Bullseye. IIRC. The homage makes sense.

I haven't really followed the new Kraven. But the old one is dead, so it's no big deal there.

Even She-Hulk and X-23 while sharing similaries with their originators are different characters.Don't forget about the Sisterhood [of Mutants] over in the X-verse.

[Capt USA]

Well, Ultron isn't. He just chose a new form based off Jan.

And Ms. Sinister isn't. She may be a clone of him, but she's incredibly different character wise.

The Female Black Panther isn't either. It's just someone new with the mantle other than T'Challa.

Lady Loki wouldn't be a ripoff, because it is still Loki... just in a new female form after Ragnarok.

Lady Bullseye is just someone who has an obsession with Bullseye. IIRC. The homage makes sense.

I haven't really followed the new Kraven. But the old one is dead, so it's no big deal there.

Even She-Hulk and X-23 while sharing similaries with their originators are different characters.

those are excuses for ripping them off, not legitmate reasons. (don't know about ms sinister to be honest though)

lady bullseye is a crappy looking character and not remotely interesting, the female kraven is a waste also(doesn't kraven have a son running around someplace?) and female Ultron was just icky. some of these characters may eventually be decent (like she-hulk) but most of these are just temporary fill in characters for writers/editors that want to write about a hot looking character, fill in quotas or just add eye candy to their series since they can't write good stories.

I have to agree with the original poster, instead of copying everything, how about creating a new interesting character, if you want to have them have a connection to another character that is of course fine, but don't just hand them an old costume of a character and tell us this new one is just as good, Kraven, Bullseye etc all became good characters by actions, not costume or words or a bet at a bar.

[celticguy]

I think you can blame Supergirl and Batgirl for this. It really does not bother me.

Ms Marvel and she hulk hold up on their own no matter their origin.

[336Deadpool616]

Well, Ultron isn't. He just chose a new form based off Jan.

And Ms. Sinister isn't. She may be a clone of him, but she's incredibly different character wise.

The Female Black Panther isn't either. It's just someone new with the mantle other than T'Challa.

Lady Loki wouldn't be a ripoff, because it is still Loki... just in a new female form after Ragnarok.

Lady Bullseye is just someone who has an obsession with Bullseye. IIRC. The homage makes sense.

I haven't really followed the new Kraven. But the old one is dead, so it's no big deal there.

Even She-Hulk and X-23 while sharing similaries with their originators are different characters.

I think you just proved his point its not that the female hero's are the same as the original its that there's so many that have the same name and the same power as the original(not talking bout loki or ultron)

and recently they just been popping up i think marvels in thier lets make female's mode

the whole reason marvel is doing it is to make the character more known since they have an original characters name.But if you ask me this is a DCtype thing marvels getting to be more like dc yall just dont notice it

[B. Kuwanger]

those are excuses for ripping them off, not legitmate reasons. (don't know about ms sinister to be honest though)

lady bullseye is a crappy looking character and not remotely interesting....but most of these are just temporary fill in characters for writers/editors that want to write about a hot looking character, fill in quotas or just add eye candy to their series since they can't write good stories.


Have you been reading Daredevil, the series?

[Bingo!]

Have you been reading Daredevil, the series?

It's likely he hasn't. I bought the Daredevil issue and had the same feelings going in. I was proved wrong almost instantly. Lady Bullseye is well thought-out and beautifully portrayed. Brubaker completely sold me on her character and on the Daredevil series.

[jhota]

i really don't think you can lump She-Hulk into this; Jen's been around for almost thirty years now, and has a pretty solid character history and personality.

Ultron and Loki are just new physical forms for characters that have been around since the 60's. the female Ultron isn't even a stretch, given the character's historic fascination with Janet. both characters have had the ability to change form throughout their history, too.

as for the rest, i have to agree the near-simultaneous introduction of this many female characters with derivative power sets and identites is a bit suspect.

[americocaine]

if the events don't do in Marvel, then maybe the Lady syndrome will?

I don't think Lady Kraven spiked Spiderman sales and it was more likely Anti Venom. Lady Loki and Lady Sinister don't seem to be negatively affecting sales on Thor and X-Men. Have to yet to see any of the effects of Lady Bullseye on Daredevil. I guarantee it won't make the book top 10 sales material over night like Captain America. Lady Black Panther won't have any great affect on that title sales wise. It was never top 10 material to begin with either.

So far its not a negative trend.

Miss Magneto? Lady Punisher? Just some things to think about for the future that they haven't attempted yet.

[Beast]

They already did Miss Magneto. She's called Polaris. :wink:

[jmc247]

They already did Miss Magneto. She's called Polaris. :wink:

Her title wasn't Magneto or Magneta it was Magneto the Second, get it right. :tongue:

Magneta was the closest Marvel has come to a Miss Magneto.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/200px-Magneta.jpg

[Monty_Cristo]

i wish there were a male version of Spider-woman.

[midnightman2001]

I met Dan Parent at this years San Diego Comic Con. I got him to draw me Betty (from Archie) as the Punisher. Its freakin hilarious! Betty is in the Punisher outfit only she has a black mini skirt on instead of the Punisher black tights & she is clenching her fist & she is very mad. She looks like she wants to start kickin %$#@! LOL

[steveg887]

i wish there were a male version of Spider-woman.

I was thinking the same thing but couldn't come up with a good enough name.

[Monty_Cristo]

I was thinking the same thing but couldn't come up with a good enough name.

Arachnidude? Spidery-Guy? Brown-Recluse Jenkins? geez, no wonder they went with a woman.

[midnightman2001]

I think someone at Marvel has some sex changes inkings or they are a big fan of cross dressing. :eek: But so far, I am really digging these female versions of male characters.

[LungerTony]

The female versions look better.

[CMBMOOL]

Once again Gentlemen, I do make a mentioning of her....

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/9/94/AmazingSpiderGirl.jpg

[BBeeryan]

if the events don't do in Marvel, then maybe the Lady syndrome will?

I don't think Lady Kraven spiked Spiderman sales and it was more likely Anti Venom. Lady Loki and Lady Sinister don't seem to be negatively affecting sales on Thor and X-Men. Have to yet to see any of the effects of Lady Bullseye on Daredevil. I guarantee it won't make the book top 10 sales material over night like Captain America. Lady Black Panther won't have any great affect on that title sales wise. It was never top 10 material to begin with either.

So far its not a negative trend.

Miss Magneto? Lady Punisher? Just some things to think about for the future that they haven't attempted yet.

...will not be the same as these other stories. The new Black Panther will be a different slope. Yeah same outcome, a female version of a male. But I don't think that Marvel is making BP female, just for the sake of it. I think Ororo... uhm I mean the new Black Panther just so happened to rightfully win the mantle of TBP fair & square. But I prefer that I read the issue first, rather than underestimating it. But that's just me.

[MIMIC616]

Fem-Mimic.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g87/betaflight/female-mimic-sktch_.jpg

[Monty_Cristo]

Fem-Mimic.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g87/betaflight/female-mimic-sktch_.jpg

the feet and hands aren't oversized.

[Leogam]

who else hates this new female Black Panther ? I wish they would have gotten maybe a nephew, younger brother or cousin of T' challa to take up the mantle & go on adventures or join Excalibur/ MI-13, while T' challa himself puts all his energy into ruling his kingdom

[midnightman2001]

I think we need a Lady Captain America.:eek:

[LungerTony]

Don't they have a female Capin the MC2 Universe?

Anyway, I am indifferent on female Lady BP. If I was a BP fan of any capacity I would be ROYALLY annoyed.

[Nightstar1441]

who else hates this new female Black Panther ? I wish they would have gotten maybe a nephew, younger brother or cousin of T' challa to take up the mantle & go on adventures or join Excalibur/ MI-13, while T' challa himself puts all his energy into ruling his kingdom

I think with this 're-start', it will make a great jumping off point on this book

[jarrod]

I think we need a Lady Captain America.:eek:
They already had a female Captain Britain. Twice. Briefly.

[shades of eternity]

I think being named she - something or another really holds back a character.

She hulk is a brilliant character with tons of potential, but I get the feeling that if she was renamed something different she would be a descent female flagship character.

It's part of the reason why the x-women are some of the most prominant female superhero characters. They aren't side characters and in fact are usually some of the most powerful characters on the team.

A more recent example is Lady Scorpion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmilla_Black

she's a great concept with an original storyline and even original powers (with the posibility of further mutation) but her name typecasts her as mac gurgan's little sister.

If she was named something like toxicity or stinger, she would not have this association.

[Expletive Deleted]

A more recent example is Lady Scorpion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmilla_Black

she's a great concept with an original storyline and even original powers (with the posibility of further mutation) but her name typecasts her as mac gurgan's little sister.

If she was named something like toxicity or stinger, she would not have this association.Except . . . her name isn't Lady Scorpion. It's just Scorpion.

Nobody else was (or is) currently using the Scorpion name, so I don't really see her as being in any character's shadow. As long as the character concepts are distinct, I don't think repurposing names (especially generic ones) is a problem. To pick an example, Luke Cage wasn't in Erik Josten's shadow when he took over the Power Man name.

[Umbra]

I'm a BP fan (T'challa fan) and I am pissed about it. While I am going to support, I'm am annoyed as LungerTony put it.

Also, I don't think that T'challa should have to stop being the BP in order to rule his country. If RH was smart, that's what the book would be about. A warrior-king and his queen rule of Wakanda.

[princesa]

I am very excited about the female Panther.And I don't think T'Challa will fall off the earth. And I am not so sure the new BP isn't Storm. The latest picture I saw seemed to have a cascade of white hair coming out the hood.

[b4ustandsi]

that fem mimic looks very slutty and easy. i like it

[StoneGold]

I think we need a Lady Captain America.:eek:

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/img/b/Bernie_Rosenthal.jpg
http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05a/americandream.jpg

[midnightman2001]

THE NEW LADY BP LOOKS BAD $#@! I AM IN FOR THIS NEW BOOK!!! :biggrin:

[midnightman2001]

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/img/b/Bernie_Rosenthal.jpg
http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05a/americandream.jpg

yes this is what I meant. This would be so bad $#@ its not even funny. I AM ALL FOR IT.

And someone at Marvel MUST have a cross dressing thing or want a sex change or something along those lines. HAs to be true. Has to!!!!!!!!

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Miss Magneto? Lady Punisher? Just some things to think about for the future that they haven't attempted yet.

Both of those have been done. :smile:

[midnightman2001]

And we need another Lady Punisher. That would be so damn kool!

I met Dan Parent at the SDCC & got him to do Betty as the Punisher!

its so damn kool!

[Frank]

If I were Marvel's new EIC I know what my first act would be. First panel of the first page of the first book I would edit would be all the female versions of male characters all lined-up in a platon of execution and someone would pull the trigger with a machine gun, making mince meat of them all.

From that point on all new female characters would have their own identities, having their own powers, their own origins.

[x_goalkeeper]

Loki seems good as a female...

[midnightman2001]

The words women & rights never ever belong in the same sentence.

[hawkeye comeback]

No the words She-hulk and originality never belong in the same sentence same with miss sinister, spiderwoman and x-23.

[How 'Bout This Heat]

Female Loki, Ms. Sinister, Lady Bullseye, Girl Ultron, and Kraven the Huntress



Can you say team-up?

[Gamiel]

Female Loki, Ms. Sinister, Lady Bullseye, Girl Ultron, and Kraven the Huntress



Can you say team-up?

I can say doublecross

[shades of eternity]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t29/sleepingdragon_photo/VictoriaCreed.jpg

had this odd thought and quite frankly had to heromachine it.

[arachne_azure]

the feet and hands aren't oversized.

Hey a Female character of Mimic should not have "Man Hands"
that drawing of the "Femic" looks good whoever drew it.

While we are on the subject of female versions of male characters I think Marvel needs a female version of Ghost (call her "Phantom" to differentiate her from the male version.) and make her "saner" than Ghost, of course by saner I mean not living in the suit 24-7, reeking of vomit (has Ghost EVER cleaned out the face mask from that encounter with Deadpool), not spouting anti corporate rhetoric & acting like the unibomber when it come to Iron Man, just make the female Ghost (Phantom) have PTSD, and be withdrawn from reality.