Young X-Men #6- Summary (SPOILERS, "cuz".)

[worstblogever]

Young X-Men #6 -

Our issue opens with a two page spread of Rockslide uppercutting Cyclops in the jaw, sending him sprawing the length of a football field, and breaking his jaw in three places.

The Young X-Men, Dani Moonstar, Cannonball, Magma, and Sunspot are all in shock, reacting to the death of Nicholas Gleason, Wolf Cub, last issue. Santo's anger is really more towards his killer, Donald Pierce, who's loaded onto the Blackbird by Wolverine, as Beast applies some Nanotechnology devices to repair Cyclops' jaw.

And Santo's immediately looking for someone else to take his frustrations out on, before he can even debrief Cyclops, he wants to know from Ink, how he knew exactly where to find Donald Pierce. He's onto him, and how he was helping play the whole team.

It seems Ink already went through being interrogated by Magma, Dani, Roberto, and Sam, finding out that he did club Blindfold, and deliver her to Donald Pierce. He knew he was working for him, but not that "Cyclops", the man leading the Young X-Men, was the same person. While Sunspot wants to kick his teeth in personally for it, Magma would rather feed him to Rockslide. It's only Cannonball who asks them to consider that Ink is coming from the same place he did once, when he was conned by Donald Pierce into working as one of his Reavers (back in Marvel Graphic Novel #4). Is he any worse than Rogue when she joined the X-Men? (good example) Or Mystique or Sabretooth (bad examples, Mr. Guthrie... bad examples...) So, they consider keeping him around.

As such, the senior X-Men in San Francisco sit down with Dani Moonstar, and Sunspot, and try to sell them on the idea of becoming teachers for this team. Not a school, but as a military unit, like all the X-family will be taught now. Different locations, throughout San Francisco, each set up strategically to operate together. No one target to be hit by their enemies. They'll use the Young X-Men on a case by case basis. Sunspot knows his position as Lord Imperial of the Hellfire Club just makes him a target. Cyclops wants him to teach everything he's learned in a place he belongs. And Dani, as he tells her, "needs something that reminds her that losing your powers doesn't make you any less of a hero".

Dani is shown to be explaining her situation to someone else she wants to bring in to her classroom. They're more curious as to what happened with Ink and Santo before they agree to come, though. So Dani explains how it went down...

Santo told Ink, "They want you on the team, apparently. I don't get a say in that. But if you so much as twitch funny, I'm gonna turn you into paste. You got that, "cuz"?"

Ink replies, "Got it. But Santo... Assuming I don't twitch? That's the last time you lay hands on me again. You feel me?"

Dani's not too worried about it, though. The X-Men have always known their fair share of internal squabbling, after all. (I mean, they keep Surge around, right?) Her take on Ink is that he's not bad... he's just... lost.

And, Dani's recruit wants to know all there is to know about Jonas Graymalkin. There's a few odd quirks to him, of course. First off, he is confirmed, by the Beast, to be a mutant. His X-gene is right at the 1p23 band, where it's supposed to be. But, the catch is this... it seems that Graymalkin is an ancestor to Charles Xavier. Yes ancestor, not descendant. He's somehow 200 years old (Beast carbon-dated his fingernails to confirm). Don't ask me how this is at all possible, or where Chucky McBrokenlegs' great-great-grandpappy has been all these years... but there it is.

Dani also tells her new recruit over the video-phone about their new base... it's built inside of a Church of the Episcopal Diocese of California, and Nightcrawler helped make the deal philosophically with the church, Warren Worthington helped pay the cash to smooth things over with a little donation to the basket on a Sunday, it seems. The kids on the team have a place to live in the rectory. Angel is also customizing the cathedral's belfries to house their training facilities.

Unbeknownst to anyone else, Rockslide made it a point to go meet with Cyclops, who asks that outside of missions, Santo call him "Scott". He opens up by apologizing for shattering his jaw, but Cyclops let's him know it was okay, he should've known better to come in person, what considering Pierce just was impersonating him and things were still a bit heated. Santo just is confused about who to trust anymore. Scott tells him he can trust his friends, but Santo, breaking down, starts stammering about his friends keep dying. Cyclops tells him, it's okay if he needs to, you know.

And we learn that Rockslide is made out of stone only literally. And the supposed grade "A" hard *ss, Cyclops, lets one of his students have a good cry on his shoulder. And it's an interesting one page shot, really, given how Rockslide dwarfs Cyke in size, and he's giving the proverbial tears from a stone.

I know, I know, this issue needs more of the girls, right? Well, we cut to the cell that's housing Donald Pierce, who still has a metallic skull and eyes, and hasn't had the good fortune to grow his flesh back yet. He's unnerved that he's being stared at through the bars by Dust.

You know what? Sooraya was too awesome for me to not just talk about the exchange...

Pierce: You probably didn't hear it in that backwards country you grew up in, but it's considered rude to stare.

Dust: Yes, please lecture me on etiquette.

Pierce: What do you want?

Dust: To look you in the eye.

Pierce: Well, I'm afraid you're a number of years too late for that, my dear. I haven't had organic eyes in years.

Dust: I want to look you in the eye and tell you that you failed. You didn't ruin us.

Pierce: Dog Boy mught disagree.

Dust: Wolf Cub reminded us all that we're not like you.

Pierce: No, you're not. You're mutants. You're perversions. You in particular, Sooraya, with your unholy, oppressive religion.

Dust: I enjoy talking to you, Mr. Pierce. Your unbridled prejudice and hate, to say nothing of your tragic misunderstandings of Mohammed's teachings.. it reminds me of home.

Score: Dust 1, Pierce 0.

And Blindfold? Well, she's already quitting the team, too. She makes it a point to again, tell Ink "You're not what you think you are." She'll be around, but she's not combat material, to be sure. But the team isn't meant to be a combat team, per se... it's supposed to, as Sunspot puts it on their first day, "A team that can defend itself and can defend others." Like a pacifist X-Force?

Rockslide and Ink are bristling at each other again, right out of the gate, and if he quits... well, that just leaves Ink and Dust. So, Dani put her call out to a student who she thinks will maybe help with that chemistry... and who she's been trying to sell the team to is...

ANOLE! Duh. When he finds out the digs are in San Francisco, he's intrigued.

Not that he's a gay stereotype, or anything. But yeah, Anole's gonna join.

Thoughts: A coldly angry Dust. A Rockslide who's bearing a grudge, and showing a vulnerable side. The bizarre mystery of Graymalkin. Ink trying to find himself. Dani and Roberto as the teachers for this team. New HQ. And Anole on the horizon.

Honestly, I wish this was issue #1. Because for me, it had more character development in it than the first five combined. Sure, there wasn't any action, other than Cyclops getting slugged, but really, these moments needed to happen. And with the team's line-up changing, and still filling out accordingly (in my gut, I know Surge will end up here) I have hope for this book still.

It's just a shame that the actual mission statement of the book doesn't show up until the sixth issue. The HQ from the first arc in the Danger Cave is out the window, as well as the team's goals. A lot of readers threw their hands up during the first arc, when it looked like this was a team out to kill the original New Mutants. Now, they have to hope the little "New" New Mutants cell that's being set up captures lightning in a bottle.

But it'll be better than we've seen. Art was also greatly improved this issue, with Ben Oliver on pencils. I'll go ahead and give this a 8/10. And that might be just because of how it was superior to what I've seen on this title so far. I just hope it keeps moving in a positive direction.

[frog]

Not the return of "cuz"!

[worstblogever]

Not the return of "cuz"!

The moment we've all been dreading, I know.

[chemicalx]

The moment we've all been dreading, I know.

truly a darker day in x-history has not been seen.

You know honestly after what santo has been through i wouldnt be surprised if he lashed out at scott. even if it wasnt him the guy (we thought was cyclops)was blasting Rockslide out a window or something every issue....

[worstblogever]

truly a darker day in x-history has not been seen.

You know honestly after what santo has been through i wouldnt be surprised if he lashed out at scott. even if it wasnt him the guy (we thought was cyclops)was blasting Rockslide out a window or something every issue....

Santo comes full circle by issue's end. Trust me, wait until the summary's done, you'll see.

[chemicalx]

Santo comes full circle by issue's end. Trust me, wait until the summary's done, you'll see.

*sits back and waits patiently*

[jarrod]

*taps foot impatiently*

[LawGiver]

*taps foot impatiently*

*chops off tapping foot and enters jarrod in Boston Marathon*

[Seres]

"You feel me"? As it stands, we're only a few issues away from Ink asking Cyclops to smell what he's cooking.

[worstblogever]

"You feel me"? As it stands, we're only a few issues away from Ink asking Cyclops to smell what he's cooking.

Or if he tells Dust to "know her role and shut her mouth", yeah.

It takes real skill to make Rockslide seem like the eloquent one.

[chemicalx]

*chops off tapping foot and enters jarrod in Boston Marathon*

thats cold... Yay DANI!!!

[HellFrost]

This issue just looks like it's going to be painful to read...

[worstblogever]

This issue just looks like it's going to be painful to read...

Not really, it jumps around a bit, but the emotions in it really carry it.

[CMBMOOL]

I hate to say it but I just can't buy into this series as it seems like a watered down version of it precessor title. :frown:

[chemicalx]

This issue just looks like it's going to be painful to read...

Really I'm actually looking forward to picking it up now...

[Seres]

Really I'm actually looking forward to picking it up now...

Aye, I really like the sound of this new direction. Especially seeing Santo get expanded as a character more, as New X-Men was hinting he would.

[LawGiver]

You guys act like no one in this world talks like Ink, it's annoying yea, but it's certainly not out of date.

[chemicalx]

You guys act like no one in this world talks like Ink, it's annoying yea, but it's certainly not out of date.

true but i am annoyed with them too. LOL

[protogarrett]

So is Blindfold still on the team?

[just another user]

You know what? Sooraya was too awesome for me to not just talk about the exchange...

Pierce: You probably didn't hear it in that backwards country you grew up in, but it's considered rude to stare.

Dust: Yes, please lecture me on etiquette.

Pierce: What do you want?

Dust: To look you in the eye.

Pierce: Well, I'm afraid you're a number of years too late for that, my dear. I haven't had organic eyes in years.

Dust: I want to look you in the eye and tell you that you failed. You didn't ruin us.

Pierce: Dog Boy mught disagree.

Dust: Wolf Cub reminded us all that we're not like you.

Pierce: No, you're not. You're mutants. You're perversions. You in particular, Sooraya, with your unholy, oppressive religion.

Dust: I enjoy talking to you, Mr. Pierce. Your unbridled prejudice and hate, to say nothing of your tragic misunderstandings of Mohammed's teachings.. it reminds me of home.

Score: Dust 1, Pierce 0.

Awesome, this exchange alone justifies the entire series so far. Nice writing.

[Michael P]

And we learn that Rockslide is made out of stone only literally. And the supposed grade "A" hard *ss, Cyclops, lets one of his students have a good cry on his shoulder. And it's an interesting one page shot, really, given how Rockslide dwarfs Cyke in size, and he's giving the proverbial tears from a stone.


OK, I'm envious of Marc Guggenheim for having written this moment.

[jarrod]

Don't worry Santo, yr bff will be back soon!

[The Lucky One]

And Dani, as he tells her, "needs something that reminds her that losing your powers doesn't make you any less of a hero".

While I enjoyed the issue, I love how that's Scott's line now. Conveniently forgetting he didn't lift a finger to keep her around when Emma exiled her for being powerless.

-D

[The Lucky One]

You guys act like no one in this world talks like Ink, it's annoying yea, but it's certainly not out of date.

True. Now if he starts saying "Psych!", I'll be concerned.

-D

[chemicalx]

While I enjoyed the issue, I love how that's Scott's line now. Conveniently forgetting he didn't lift a finger to keep her around when Emma exiled her for being powerless.

-D

Yeah we are going to just let that one go... I'm just glad dani is back... and with magik just around the corner Hopefully she will get some much needed page time...

[Push You Down]

Carbon dating the finger nails? Isn't carbon dating used to give a range of time in the 1000s of years?

just make up a fake way of telling how old Greymalkin is...and seriously.. is anyone a fan of the character yet?

[worstblogever]

Carbon dating the finger nails? Isn't carbon dating used to give a range of time in the 1000s of years?

just make up a fake way of telling how old Greymalkin is...and seriously.. is anyone a fan of the character yet?

Carbon dating can be used for shorter lengths of time. They used it to age the Shroud of Tourin to prove it was 2000 years old. So, 20 centuries worth vs. 2 on the fingernails.

It's just a formula of half-life of carbon breaking down, after all.

[Christopher O]

Awesome, this exchange alone justifies the entire series so far. Nice writing.
Yes! I am now wanting this issue in my hands.

[jester1436]

Yay, this actually sounds like a good issue. I'm actually excited to buy it this weekend now.

[Michael P]

Carbon dating can be used for shorter lengths of time. They used it to age the Shroud of Tourin to prove it was 2000 years old. So, 20 centuries worth vs. 2 on the fingernails.

It's just a formula of half-life of carbon breaking down, after all.

Yeah, but since all cells in the body are replaced after seven years, it doesn't really work on a living organism.

But what the hell, this is comic book science.

[Silver Fox]

[U][SIZE="7"][COLOR="Blue"] And Dani, as he tells her, "needs something that reminds her that losing your powers doesn't make you any less of a hero".


And Blindfold? Well, she's already quitting the team, too. .

Between that and El Manana, I'm crying.

I'll miss ninja Blindfold, but I'm glad Dani's back.

[worstblogever]

Between that and El Manana, I'm crying.

I'll miss ninja Blindfold, but I'm glad Dani's back.

Ruth will still be around, though. They're just not taking her on every mission, from what I'm gathering.

But yeah, I figured "El Manana" was a good mood setter... it's somehow bluesy.

[AN0LE]

Between that and El Manana, I'm crying.

I'll miss ninja Blindfold, but I'm glad Dani's back.

Dani said that Blindfold wouldn't be "day-to-day on the team". Perhaps she will be more of a base operations member.

[worstblogever]

Yeah, but since all cells in the body are replaced after seven years, it doesn't really work on a living organism.

But what the hell, this is comic book science.

Well, admittedly, this is crap, since it would mean that over 200 years, Graymalkin has never clipped his fingernails. You can date that far back, but it would have to be a fingernail that miraculously remained the same length for two centuries.

Jonas would look like the Guiness record holder for fingernail length times five, for this to have made perfect sense.

Like I said in the summary, don't ask me how.

[Patrion]

Well, admittedly, this is crap, since it would mean that over 200 years, Graymalkin has never clipped his fingernails. You can date that far back, but it would have to be a fingernail that miraculously remained the same length for two centuries.

Jonas would look like the Guiness record holder for fingernail length times five, for this to have made perfect sense.

Like I said in the summary, don't ask me how.

You write the best Summaries ever! WBE, for the WIN! I'm so glad we are finally getting some Original New Mutants on the team! Now, all we need are Surge and LoLixir and Prodigy!

[Push You Down]

Carbon dating can be used for shorter lengths of time. They used it to age the Shroud of Tourin to prove it was 2000 years old. So, 20 centuries worth vs. 2 on the fingernails.

It's just a formula of half-life of carbon breaking down, after all.

....umm.. they've never proved the Shroud was 2000 years old. There's still still a lot of controversy and no definitive answer.

Reading up on carbon dating it seems like it can give much more accurate time scales than I thought.

[Hi-Fi]

Sounds like a great issue. Can't wait to read it now.

Though it sucks that the most interesting member of the team, Blindfold, might be quitting. This team could use more female characters.

Loa? Trance? Mecury? Surge? Bling?

That said, I am really happy that some of my favorite New Mutants are staying. I missed those guys so much.

[timbox]

Surge was not in this issue. :mad: That is my only complaint.

[Seres]

Great summary, and I can't wait for the issue to arrive for me. What the team needs now is Wind Dancer. It may be completely doomed if she doesn't move over to the team, and her character may be completely doomed if she doesn't get to move away from "wherever it is that she is". I gots amnesia about where that could be. Also I'd like Heroic Zombie Wallflower to appear as a new mentor for the team, but that one's admittedly less likely to happen.

Although they have blanked out part of the Bachalo cover in December, so perhaps my wildly idiotic dreams could come true.

[The Lucky One]

I'm so glad we are finally getting some Original New Mutants on the team!

I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more New Mutants!

-D

[chickrockguitar]

No Anole in this issue?

[timbox]

No Anole in this issue?

Yes, Anole was pretty much in the whole issue. The narration was him and Dani talking.

[chickrockguitar]

Yes, Anole was pretty much in the whole issue. The narration was him and Dani talking.Oh crappers. Means I gotta pick it up... Meh.

[Flinkman]

i enjoyed this issue a lot.

is it Kyle & Yost New X-Men caliber? well no...but i'd never really expected it to be. this is a new team with a new status quo & new location. i'm very excited to see where this is going now.

[DeniseXfrost]

it seems that Graymalkin is an ancestor to Charles Xavier. Yes ancestor, not descendant. He's somehow 200 years old (Beast carbon-dated his fingernails to confirm). Don't ask me how this is at all possible, or where Chucky McBrokenlegs' great-great-grandpappy has been all these years... but there it is.


Oh, look it just got dumber.

[Seikun21]

It seems this book is finally going somewhere. Though you have to wonder how this fits in with the Anole story from Divided We Stand. But if Guggenheim ignored it completely, I'd be surprisingly okay with that.

Giving a lot of focus to Rockslide seems to be an interesting development, making him more than the dense strong guy could do the character good. But comparing Ink to the likes of Mystique and Sabretooth seems to be a very stupid line for Sam, considering the fact that they both very recently betrayed the X-men in two separate instances, and he was there for both.

Greymalkin is Xavier's ancestor. Good for him? I really don't know how to respond to that. It seems so ridiculous. The grey guy on the Young X-men is 200 years old, has super strength in the dark, talks to the dead and is related to Charles Xavier. I doubt even Mike Carey would even try to use this new continuity in Legacy.

[ifitkillsyou]

Oy, thats streching things a little too far with the greymalkin...
Also, ink.
Kill it. Kill it, now before it gets fans.

i still have no idea why they cancled NewX for this.

[Beast]

This was a really good issue. Though I wish we would have gotten a memorial scene for Wolf Cub.

The thing about Greymalkin being Xavier's ancestor is just bizarre. But oddly cool.

And agreed, the scene between Dust and Pierce was the best moment in the issue.

Anole seems to be back to a character I can enjoy again. So that's good to see.

And I love that Sunspot and Moonstar will be the two former New Mutants overseeing the team.

Oh, and loved the moment between Rockslide and Cyclops. Santo is a much better character now for it.

[Pach!]

It seems this book is finally going somewhere. Though you have to wonder how this fits in with the Anole story from Divided We Stand. But if Guggenheim ignored it completely, I'd be surprisingly okay with that.

Giving a lot of focus to Rockslide seems to be an interesting development, making him more than the dense strong guy could do the character good. But comparing Ink to the likes of Mystique and Sabretooth seems to be a very stupid line for Sam, considering the fact that they both very recently betrayed the X-men in two separate instances, and he was there for both.

Greymalkin is Xavier's ancestor. Good for him? I really don't know how to respond to that. It seems so ridiculous. The grey guy on the Young X-men is 200 years old, has super strength in the dark, talks to the dead and is related to Charles Xavier. I doubt even Mike Carey would even try to use this new continuity in Legacy.
He didn't ignore it. Anole admits he has PTSD and even think that instead of him joining the team, the team should join him and try to still be kids.

[Petes Pants]

I like how Anole donned his tightest tank top for the San Francisco reveal.

[darknessatnoon]

This was a really good issue. Though I wish we would have gotten a memorial scene for Wolf Cub.



I think they are saving Wolf Cub's memorial for an issue of Astonishing X-Men. I hear it's getting two double-page spreads.

[SayOcean]

i wish this was issue number one to, but damn it sounds pretty good eating lots of humble pie and crow right now. but it does sound like the same throw up of the OG nM

[Joe Franklin]

I hate to say it but I just can't buy into this series as it seems like a watered down version of it precessor title. :frown:

I agree. I bought issue #1, but haven't bought an issue since. However, if Rafa Sandoval takes over as the regular artist on Young X-Men in December, I'm buying it for the art alone.

[Seikun21]

He didn't ignore it. Anole admits he has PTSD and even think that instead of him joining the team, the team should join him and try to still be kids.

I meant more along the lines of him running away from home and cutting off all contact with the X-men.

[Pach!]

I meant more along the lines of him running away from home and cutting off all contact with the X-men.

Well this is the next step. He ran away from home and cut off contact and then he had time to think. I think it did a good enough job to continue Anole's story.

[ToxicTeen]

I must say issue #6 is a HUGE improvement over the first 5 issues both art wise and writing wise. I hope that Marvel keeps Ben Oliver as the permanent artist.

Yet again, Dani Moonstar, Sunspot, and Anole being part of the team wasn't a big surprise to me. :rolleyes: I didn't know that Blindfold was leaving but I thought it was a good choice since she's not meant to be fighting, which means an extra slot for membership is open. If that's the case, I wonder who will replace Blindfold?

[Beast]

He didn't ignore it. Anole admits he has PTSD and even think that instead of him joining the team, the team should join him and try to still be kids.
I'm all for glossing over Anole's jerkish behavior in that issue.

Now Rockslide and Anole just need to get closer together. :wink:

[DeniseXfrost]

What's the point of adding Blindfold to the rooster just so....ah nevermind.

[The Lucky One]

Oh, look it just got dumber.

Maybe. On the other hand, I'm willing to bet if you went back in time to 1976 and told people the crazy new writer of X-Men was about to turn Jean Grey into the living embodiment of an all-powerful cosmic bird, they'd probably say that was incredibly dumb too.

A lot of great comic stories sound really stupid when you distill them down to their fundamental concepts. This one might not end up being a good story, of course; but then again it might.

-D

[darknessatnoon]

Maybe. On the other hand, I'm willing to bet if you went back in time to 1976 and told people the crazy new writer of X-Men was about to turn Jean Grey into the living embodiment of an all-powerful cosmic bird, they'd probably say that was incredibly dumb too.


The "What if Jean Grey Had An Orgasm?" story is still dumb in 2008.

[worstblogever]

The "What if Jean Grey Had An Orgasm?" story is still dumb in 2008.

Impossible. What you speak of is madness. :redface:

[Seikun21]

I'm all for glossing over Anole's jerkish behavior in that issue.

Now Rockslide and Anole just need to get closer together. :wink:

Me too. But a hundred nos to your second point.

[Beast]

Me too. But a hundred nos to your second point.
Noooooo. A hundred yays!

In fact, Northstar's comment about Anole and Rockslide together was probably the only 'good' aspect of that story. Can't you imagine, Anole sunning himself on Rockslide? :biggrin:

[DeniseXfrost]

Maybe. On the other hand, I'm willing to bet if you went back in time to 1976 and told people the crazy new writer of X-Men was about to turn Jean Grey into the living embodiment of an all-powerful cosmic bird, they'd probably say that was incredibly dumb too.

A lot of great comic stories sound really stupid when you distill them down to their fundamental concepts. This one might not end up being a good story, of course; but then again it might.

-D
This is great comic story?

[XaviersMisprint]

such an increase in potential for this series. best issue so far, no doubt. blindfold's attire was odd, but whatever. san francisco IS hotter than new york, i guess. for some reason, i always imagined blindfold with either a lot of scarring on her body or like really bad body acne or something, but for some reason, she's hot? weird.

anyway, i LOVED the momenst between santo and scott, and dust and pierce. SO good, been waiting for this forever. great review, WBE! seriously, when anyone but you attempts it, it just isn't right.

[Leirus]

Buff, at least. I can buy a series with this premises. I can see this going better from here... the first arc (fill in because they could not show San Francisco at the time) was, I think, a mistake. They should have start the series later and have the first arc as an special or somethink like that...

On the plus side... Sunspot and Dani. Awesome characterization for Dust "it reminds me of home" duh ! But even so, the full body clothes are not also a bit of missunderstanding of Muhammed words? (just saying). Anole coming back, and I could do with a bit of Surge, too...

On the minus side... Still not sold on Graymalkin... er... 200 years old Xavier antecessor? But I will wait until it is explained a bit more. Still hating Ink. Not a mutant. Traitor. Makes Santo look like the smart guy. Dani should have said "So, Sam, do you think Ink here will turn out like Rogue or like Mystique and Sabrethoot (and Lady Mastermind)... ? Because maybe we should throw him out now and save a lot of problems". Also, I would like that Scott apologized to her for the way he misstreated her, instead of trying to lecture her in the heroic ways. Moron


Uuups, nearly forgot... Thanks for the amazing review WBE ! You know, I am starting to wait for them every week and now I take them for granted...

[cgar]

dammit i knew i forgot to pick something up. very good summary.
need to go back to the store. seems like a good issue. and i like the art. couldnt stand Pasqual

[fitditz]

First issue in the series that I haven't used as TP.

[frog]

This issue sounds a lot more promising than the first arc as a whole.


I hope someone else picks up Blindfold and returns her own style to her.

[cgar]

so i went back and got this issue. pretty damb goodcompated to the last five. i hope this artist stays because like i said earlier couldnt stand Paquette. Guggs needs to at least cameo: Hellion, Surge, Mercury, and Prodigy. Im glad Victor is joining the team. And having Dani and Berto there is awesome as well. I like the scene with Dust and Pierce. And also the scene with Santo and Scott. They both carried well imo

[just another user]

Also, ink.
Kill it. Kill it, now before it gets fans.

I like Ink.

This was a really good issue. Though I wish we would have gotten a memorial scene for Wolf Cub.

lol nobody cares

Can't you imagine, Anole sunning himself on Rockslide? :biggrin:

ew, I'd rather not

[Bingo!]

Looks like most agree, Young X-men #6 is the starting point for this series.

Oliver's pencils are much easier on the eyes and can convey a better range of facial expressions and emotions. Finally. Plenty of Cyke and touch of Nightcrawler to make float.

There were also some intriguing developments that I can't wait to have followed up.


Dani and Roberto in charge. Perfect, but does that make the kids Hellfire Club targets?
Blindfold is leaving, but where will she be going?
Anole is back and looking sexy under Oliver's pencils. I'm sure he'll be at the Crib.
Graymalkin is Xavier's ancestor. wtf? Sinister's doing?
Ink has a path? Ok, now I'm interested in him.


ps: worstblogever, I would never have picked this up if I hadn't seen your quick YXM plug in X-Cres. Thank you! This is quality!

[Sunbird]

[QUOTE=Bingo!;7576300]
Dani and Roberto in charge. Perfect, but does that make the kids Hellfire Club targets?


They weren't already?

[worstblogever]

Looks like most agree, Young X-men #6 is the starting point for this series.

Oliver's pencils are much easier on the eyes and can convey a better range of facial expressions and emotions. Finally. Plenty of Cyke and touch of Nightcrawler to make float.

There were also some intriguing developments that I can't wait to have followed up.


Dani and Roberto in charge. Perfect, but does that make the kids Hellfire Club targets?
Blindfold is leaving, but where will she be going?
Anole is back and looking sexy under Oliver's pencils. I'm sure he'll be at the Crib.
Graymalkin is Xavier's ancestor. wtf? Sinister's doing?
Ink has a path? Ok, now I'm interested in him.


ps: worstblogever, I would never have picked this up if I hadn't seen your quick YXM plug in X-Cres. Thank you! This is quality!

Hey, I'm an enabler. It's a pleasure to report any book takes a turn for the better. I just hope Guggenheim keeps delivering a mix of character work like this, with action, and great art. That's a winning formula.

[LittleMissVixen]

I like how Anole donned his tightest tank top for the San Francisco reveal.

Ahhh....Anole is bring sexy back, with his new big muscle bod and tight tank top, lol.

[Patrion]

Like a couple of other posters have hinted at, I also want to see some Anole*Rockslide development! It would be odd, what with the different physiologies (did I even come close to spelling that right?), but hey, just like with G-Malkin's carbon-dating, comic book science is anything we want it to be! Let the SLASH fan-fic's begin! Hahahahaahh! Now that I think about it, I really wouldn't mind it if we got some Anole*Ink...Hmmm...

[Patrion]

Ahhh....Anole is bring sexy back, with his new big muscle bod and tight tank top, lol.

When I saw that, I thought that maybe they are doing with Anole what they are doing with Pixie, some "blossoming"! It would make some sense, cause I think I read somewhere that it was months between Messiah CompleX and Manifest Destiny? It would have had to been, because Colossus had time to go and have an adventure with the New Defenders. Anywho, back to my point!

A lot of maturing can happen in just a matter of months, so maybe he hit an "everything" spurt! Who knows, just as long as he sticks around!

[Bingo!]

They weren't already?

Maybe. I found Young XM so unappealing after issue 2, I dumped all traces of its mush from neocortex.

[ClanAskani]

This is the best issue of YXM so far. Santo slugging Scott was enough to make me like it, and I especially liked Dani and 'Berto's roles.

I'm glad Anole is back, but no to Anole and Santo hooking up. Can't they just be friends?

YXM has my interest again, but I'm not completely sold on what's going on with the X-Men in San Francisco, and I wish Ink was the one killed off, since he's so annoying.

[Monty_Cristo]

i'm trying but i really don't like any of these characters. i remember liking the New Mutants. and i liked at least 2 members of "Academy X." but this latest crop are about as memorable as the cast of Real World Philadelphia. i wish David Alleyne or Nezhno were in the book. i'd take them over Caliban-lite and the skinhead.

[Patrion]

I just can't deal with all this HATERATION up in this PIECE!

[LawGiver]

This was good.

I like Ben Oliver's art so much better here than in Ultimate X-Men. As usual Guggenheim does great character work, moving the plot forward while also giving us a bunch of nice little moments. The only thing I didn't like was Anole, I knew he was gonna be joining but I still really, really strongly dislike that character. I wish he had been on that bus when it exploded. I would trade Tag for Anole in a heart beat. Kill him. I would take 10 Ink's over 1 Anole.

[Seikun21]

This was good.

I like Ben Oliver's art so much better here than in Ultimate X-Men. As usual Guggenheim does great character work, moving the plot forward while also giving us a bunch of nice little moments. The only thing I didn't like was Anole, I knew he was gonna be joining but I still really, really strongly dislike that character. I wish he had been on that bus when it exploded. I would trade Tag for Anole in a heart beat. Kill him. I would take 10 Ink's over 1 Anole.

At least you and I can agree that we don't want him on this book if only for completely different reasons. You don't want him here because you like the book and hate the character. I don't want him here because I love the character and fear the writer.

[Petes Pants]

this latest crop are about as memorable as the cast of Real World Philadelphia.

You're hurting little Willie's feelers.

http://cdn.stereogum.com/img/willie1.jpg

[Monty_Cristo]

You're hurting little Willie's feelers.

http://cdn.stereogum.com/img/willie1.jpg

but he's only memorable because of Ghost Writer.

[The Black Guardian]

When I saw that, I thought that maybe they are doing with Anole what they are doing with Pixie, some "blossoming"! It would make some sense, cause I think I read somewhere that it was months between Messiah CompleX and Manifest Destiny? It would have had to been, because Colossus had time to go and have an adventure with the New Defenders. Anywho, back to my point!

A lot of maturing can happen in just a matter of months, so maybe he hit an "everything" spurt! Who knows, just as long as he sticks around!
That was not a muscle body. This is just what Anole is supposed to look like, not the scrawny little thing seen in latter issues of New X-Men.

[Patrion]

That was not a muscle body. This is just what Anole is supposed to look like, not the scrawny little thing seen in latter issues of New X-Men.

My bad...I saw Anole and got all excited, and well...sorry!

[podmark]

Guess I'm in the minority here but I didn't find the art to be much of an improvement. Wasn't huge of Yannick but his work was far more consistent. Also I really did not like Oliver's version of Anole at the end. It didn't resemble any previsous take on the character and looked far too old. He looked like he could pass for 20 easy. He's supposed to like 15. But yay for Anole back in a regular role.

I love the focus that Rockslide is getting here. It's funny a few years ago he was a complete throw away character and now after Yost and Kyle and Guggenheim I feel he could be a real up and comer. For a while I was really against a Santo/Vic pairing, just seemed like a horrible match. But Santo's come a long way and I could actually see that pairing working. It's not my first choice by any means but it's a direction I could give a chance. That said I still believe its more likely Santo is straight.

LMAO 3 times during this issue. Once with the Santo/Scott hug - it's actually a great moment but its so off for both characters and Santo is so big it made me laugh. Second was Dani and Berto's horrible new costumes. Maybe they'll look better under a different artist. Last was of course 20something model Anole - god I miss Skottie Young...and everyone before him.

Still not sold. Issue was a step up, but not a huge one. Also I hope Blindfold is still around in a supporting role.

[frog]

I would so love to see Skottie draw the Young X-Men. That might really perk up sales (hint hint Marvel).

[SayOcean]

anyone else think vic and santo haning is effing stupid? this is just like every stupid h.s./college movie where the jock befriends the "nerdy" gay kid

[frog]

anyone else think vic and santo haning is effing stupid? this is just like every stupid h.s./college movie where the jock befriends the "nerdy" gay kid

Nope. I enjoy Santo and Anole's love/hate relationship.

[SayOcean]

yeah you would

[frog]

yeah you would

Just what is that supposed to mean? Have we seen you here before?

[Slung]

Just what is that supposed to mean? Have we seen you here before?

My guess is yes.

[frog]

My guess is yes.

If there are any mods around perhaps it might be a good idea to check the IP address.

[RickyD410]

I also really like Santo and Vic's friendship. It goes back farther than people know. The cool kids group way back from New Mutants was Julian, Cessily, Santo, and Victor.

I dont like them as a couple though. Santo is definitely straight. I like them as close friends, but not boyfriends.

I read the ish at the store, and I'm not completely sold yet. Its better, cus its real, and its no longer wasting everyone's time. But its still not at all up to its predessesors' levels.

[Angrylobster]

I'll likely be picking this up tomorrow, mostly because Anole is in it. Heres to hoping its quality :biggrin:

[HeckBoy]

It seems like, moving forward, this book will be better now that its real mission statement has been established. I'm seriously considering picking this up again, but I'm still not sold. Mainly, it's the lack of some of my favorite characters. I'm stoked that Anole will be back as a regular, but him alone might not be enough to drag me back just yet. I'm still awaiting word on when/where Hellion, Nezhno, Prodigy, and some of the other background students will show up. I loved the extended New X-Men roster, and I just want to see that ensemble again in some combination instead of Ink and Graymalkin. Anyway, w/ Anole taking up one of the vacated spots, that still leaves at least one speculative slot open. As much as I would like it filled by one of my previously mentioned favorites, I'm guessing they will add a girl to try and balance things out again, and I get the feeling that it'll be Surge.

[SayOcean]

If there are any mods around perhaps it might be a good idea to check the IP address.Damn Kid i was joking....calm down...lol why would they check my IP address

anyway the only problem i have with Vic and Santo being friends is that it would never happen in the real world or if it does it happens very rarly thats why i hate teen movies, Jocks never have a change of heart and befriends the nerds, the rich guys never goes out with the plain looking poor girl

[podmark]

Damn Kid i was joking....calm down...lol why would they check my IP address

anyway the only problem i have with Vic and Santo being friends is that it would never happen in the real world or if it does it happens very rarly thats why i hate teen movies, Jocks never have a change of heart and befriends the nerds, the rich guys never goes out with the plain looking poor girl

But Vic and Santo have been friends since the begining, doesn't anyone besides Ricky remember New Mutants? Also is Anole really a nerd? Sure he knows X-trivia, but we've seen glimpses that he plays sports. Alright he likes drama, but other than that we still don't know a whole lot about his interests. And Santo only found out he was gay recently, and as current stories have made clear Santo stands up for his friends. He might be a jerk to them, but he doesn't let anyone else mess with them.

[RickyD410]

anyway the only problem i have with Vic and Santo being friends is that it would never happen in the real world or if it does it happens very rarly thats why i hate teen movies, Jocks never have a change of heart and befriends the nerds, the rich guys never goes out with the plain looking poor girl

But Vic and Santo have been friends since the begining, doesn't anyone besides Ricky remember New Mutants? Also is Anole really a nerd? Sure he knows X-trivia, but we've seen glimpses that he plays sports. Alright he likes drama, but other than that we still don't know a whole lot about his interests. And Santo only found out he was gay recently, and as current stories have made clear Santo stands up for his friends. He might be a jerk to them, but he doesn't let anyone else mess with them.
Pod got to it first. But I have a few things to say:

1. I dont think Anole is a nerd. He's not a teacher's pet, he's not a loner, he has lots of friends. He's good looking, was a squad leader, a good athlete, and was best friends with the cool crew (Julian, Santo, and Cessily). Theres no nerd in there. He's an excellent strategist, but so is Julian. He's smart, but that doesnt make one a nerd. He knows his X-Trivia, but so does Elixir, and Elixir was never a nerd. An outcast at one point, but he was never a nerd.

2. Jock/nerd talk. Eh, we didnt have stereotypes of that nature in my highschool, so I cant really relate. I've only seen that type of stuff in movies and tv. But either way, I dont really believe it. The main reason (I think) members from those groups dont befriend each other is simply because they dont interact that much. But if they did, who's to say they wouldnt find commonalities?

3. X-School does not operate like a normal school. Its much smaller, and everyone is an outcast together. Theyre all part of something together. I dont think the cliques work the same way there as they do at normal schools. Sure, there are cliques, but theyre different.

4. Even if in real life the jock would never befriend the nerd... in real life the jock wouldnt be made of rock and the nerd wouldnt be reptilian. Its a comic book, and some parts of real life just dont fit.

[SayOcean]

I dont think Anole was really what the sterotypical nerd would be thats why I put the word nerd in quotes.

I dont remember seeing much interaction between anole and teh hellions to be honest with you. and I dont know what kinda h.s. you went to, must be some kinda new age free love one (lol) But yeah as a graduate of many pvt public and home schools the one thing I know is that no matr how small the school theres gonna be some cliqueish going on. Look at the NM not of them werethe best of friends they were cliqueish and there was only eight of them

I remember them not having a lot of contact due to the cruel politics of squads

[The Black Guardian]

Pod got to it first. But I have a few things to say:

1. I dont think Anole is a nerd. He's not a teacher's pet, he's not a loner, he has lots of friends. He's good looking, was a squad leader, a good athlete, and was best friends with the cool crew (Julian, Santo, and Cessily). Theres no nerd in there. He's an excellent strategist, but so is Julian. He's smart, but that doesnt make one a nerd. He knows his X-Trivia, but so does Elixir, and Elixir was never a nerd. An outcast at one point, but he was never a nerd.
Agreed. Anole is no nerd.
2. Jock/nerd talk. Eh, we didnt have stereotypes of that nature in my highschool, so I cant really relate. I've only seen that type of stuff in movies and tv. But either way, I dont really believe it. The main reason (I think) members from those groups dont befriend each other is simply because they dont interact that much. But if they did, who's to say they wouldnt find commonalities?
I'm with you. My high school was more about cliques than stereotypes. A single clique didn't adhere to a particular stereotype. I played D&D with several of the football team. Half the cheerleaders routinely made the honor roll. Etc.
3. X-School does not operate like a normal school. Its much smaller, and everyone is an outcast together. Theyre all part of something together. I dont think the cliques work the same way there as they do at normal schools. Sure, there are cliques, but theyre different.
Yeah. My high school was probably a lot like Xavier's (pre-Decimation) in ways. There were only about 150-175 students. People just hung around whoever they wanted to hang around, and most groups were accepting of each other (there were a few buttheads here and there though).

[claimtosubclaim]

I dont think Anole was really what the sterotypical nerd would be thats why I put the word nerd in quotes.

I dont remember seeing much interaction between anole and teh hellions to be honest with you. and I dont know what kinda h.s. you went to, must be some kinda new age free love one (lol) But yeah as a graduate of many pvt public and home schools the one thing I know is that no matr how small the school theres gonna be some cliqueish going on. Look at the NM not of them werethe best of friends they were cliqueish and there was only eight of them

I remember them not having a lot of contact due to the cruel politics of squads

Once you graduate from high school, segregated cliques mostly disappear, probably because college has too huge a population to maintain them. The only "sides" are people who want to be in the frat and people who don't care about frats.

[pgonzo98]

lets be honest with ourselves, the book just plain sucks. i have decided not to buy it anymore unless there is a change of direction ,and most importantly, creative teams. paquettes art is bland and uninspired. the stories drag to boring conclusions. how about jason aaron and butch guice or pablo raimondi or david aja. boycott the book until things change. skottie would be excellent too.

[Leirus]

I dont think Anole was really what the sterotypical nerd would be thats why I put the word nerd in quotes.

I dont remember seeing much interaction between anole and teh hellions to be honest with you. and I dont know what kinda h.s. you went to, must be some kinda new age free love one (lol) But yeah as a graduate of many pvt public and home schools the one thing I know is that no matr how small the school theres gonna be some cliqueish going on. Look at the NM not of them werethe best of friends they were cliqueish and there was only eight of them

I remember them not having a lot of contact due to the cruel politics of squads

Nope, that is wrong, they have interacted since the original series... when Nori came first to the school begging, Julian was playing Frisbee with Anole. Anole was nearly always seen near/with the Hellions at first, because the writers had planed to have him "came out" and then be ignored by Julian, what would make him kill himself. However, they developed Julian in another direction and realized it was stupid. But he was with them, check it up

And Anole being a "nerd gay"... well, he is a nerd compared with Rockslide, but he is not a obvious Gay (the boys in the schoold did not know, just the girls)... so it is not that extreme. And they are all "marginal" people, so the dynamics would be a bit different... (And, in real life, I was a nerd and never had any problem befriending anyone... Are you going to tell me that High schools in America are like in the films? With the cheerladers, the Captain of the Football team, the nerds, the rebeld one, the prom etc etc?? :eek: )

[timbox]

I was really surprised at the end to hear the kids whining about not getting real uniforms when they clearly saw that the only available uniforms to use were from Scott's closet.

I'm sure Dani and Sunspot were extremely embarrassed to have to wear those ugly things in front of other people.

[worstblogever]

lets be honest with ourselves, the book just plain sucks. i have decided not to buy it anymore unless there is a change of direction ,and most importantly, creative teams. paquettes art is bland and uninspired. the stories drag to boring conclusions. how about jason aaron and butch guice or pablo raimondi or david aja. boycott the book until things change. skottie would be excellent too.

Gee, I thought we were being honest with ourselves after seven pages of comments about how this issue was a departure from the first five issues, and a lot of people felt it was a sign it was moving in a better direction.

I guess we were all just lying to ourselves. What were we thinking? :rolleyes:

[frog]

Damn Kid i was joking....calm down...lol why would they check my IP address

Because your joke, such as it is, makes it sound as if you are familiar with me and have been posting under a previous incarnation. What other reason could you have for thinking it's typical of me to like Anole and Santo?
anyway the only problem i have with Vic and Santo being friends is that it would never happen in the real world or if it does it happens very rarly thats why i hate teen movies, Jocks never have a change of heart and befriends the nerds, the rich guys never goes out with the plain looking poor girl

What makes you think Anole was unpopular to begin with? He has never appeared to be alienated from any of the other kids and had no problems in his hometown before joining the Academy.

[SayOcean]

And Anole being a "nerd gay"... well, he is a nerd compared with Rockslide, but he is not a obvious Gay (the boys in the schoold did not know, just the girls)... so it is not that extreme. And they are all "marginal" people, so the dynamics would be a bit different... (And, in real life, I was a nerd and never had any problem befriending anyone... Are you going to tell me that High schools in America are like in the films? With the cheerladers, the Captain of the Football team, the nerds, the rebeld one, the prom etc etc?? :eek: )I just never saw Anole actually talk to Santo and I guess I hadnt noticed him in the background while the other hellions were around. Im not sure I know what nerd gay is, but about the h.s. thing I dont know where you're from so i guess i can try to explain it as best I can. But No its not as bad as movies make them out to be, but there are some well established cliques....in the gym lobby before/ after lunch was a prefect example at one of schools to see them all interact around each other in a closed space, basically you had two groups....The In's and the Outs, and inside those two groups it was broken down into many for factions, some of the lower rung in's did hang out with the Outs.....and so on....it all sounds very trivial but it really interested me how we can build societies within societies.


Because your joke, such as it is, makes it sound as if you are familiar with me and have been posting under a previous incarnation. What other reason could you have for thinking it's typical of me to like Anole and Santo?.
cause i was just guessing dude....sheesh




What makes you think Anole was unpopular to begin with? He has never appeared to be alienated from any of the other kids and had no problems in his hometown before joining the Academy. Inever said he was unpopular him not talking to Santo or most of the hellions doesnt make him unpopular just he was kinda like a cool nerd

[frog]

I just never saw Anole actually talk to Santo and I guess I hadnt noticed him in the background while the other hellions were around. Im not sure I know what nerd gay is, but about the h.s. thing I dont know where you're from so i guess i can try to explain it as best I can. But No its not as bad as movies make them out to be, but there are some well established cliques....in the gym lobby before/ after lunch was a prefect example at one of schools to see them all interact around each other in a closed space, basically you had two groups....The In's and the Outs, and inside those two groups it was broken down into many for factions, some of the lower rung in's did hang out with the Outs.....and so on....it all sounds very trivial but it really interested me how we can build societies within societies.




Inever said he was unpopular him not talking to Santo or most of the hellions doesnt make him unpopular just he was kinda like a cool nerd


I still don't see any reason for Santo and Anole being friends is so unrealistic.

[SayOcean]

I still don't see any reason for Santo and Anole being friends is so unrealistic. yeah you wouldnt

edit: jk

[Swashbuckler]

I think Santo and Anole being friends is totally possible. They are both odd looking mutants, so I think that would have been something that originally peaked their interest in each other. Ocean, I get what you're saying about High School cliques and all, but really the Hellions were a clique and Anole seemed to be on the fringe of the that clique. It's not like Xavier's had a basketball team or cheerleading squad. Your point has some validation, but perhaps working on your argumentative skills is in your near future.

This issue was alright, but some what jumbled. The context seemed to shift with no rhyme or reason, and I still don't really get that good a clear mission statement here. They aren't being educated, but taught how to defend themselves? Great, so we will have idiots running around with 9th grade educations and incredible abilities? Doesn't seem to responsible. Dani and Roberto is also an odd choice to run things, or at least it seems odd. A few months back they were throwing Dani out cause she wasn't one of them. Now she's embraced? Does Emma know Cyclops put her in-charge? And why is Cyclops telling Sunspot he shouldn't be in the Hellfire Club going to suddenly change his mind? He's been their for a while and never had problems. The reasoning just wasn't there in my opinion.

I liked the characterization of all the kids in this issue, I just have a probelm with what the book is trying to be. It's unclear and just pops up with little to no reason it seems.

[The Lucky One]

Jocks never have a change of heart and befriends the nerds

If anything, I'd say the opposite- movies overplay the divide between jocks and nerds. I was both a jock and a nerd in high school, and I had plenty of friends who moved freely between both camps. This isn't the 1950s anymore, there isn't nearly as wide a gap.

-D

[The Lucky One]

lets be honest with ourselves, the book just plain sucks. i have decided not to buy it anymore unless there is a change of direction ,and most importantly, creative teams. paquettes art is bland and uninspired. the stories drag to boring conclusions. how about jason aaron and butch guice or pablo raimondi or david aja. boycott the book until things change. skottie would be excellent too.

Sorry, all I heard was "Blah blah blah I don't know how to use capital letters."

-D

[AN0LE]

Well, we have finally gotten through the first arc of YXM. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised with the latest issue? Was it amazingly incredible? No. Was it a vast improvement from the first 5 issues? Absolutely! I was defintiely one of the harshest critics of this book but issue #6 appears to hopefully be a step in the right direction.

The artwork, for one, is much more pleasant to look at. It didn't leave me with the feeling that I just hit up a gallery opening for Dondi the painting elephant. The colors didn't look oversaturated and the characters didn't seem to have one expression throughout the entire issue. Kudos to Oliver.

The story, even though lacking the action which many readers enjoy, definitely superceded my expectations as well. The Sooraya/Pierce conversation was probably one of my favorite scenes in a book lately.

That said, I am hoping that the Graymalkin story doesn't end up being a bust. Granted we still don't know much about him, but I feel that something more plausible and interesting could be done with him rather than having him be a long-lost, 200 year old Xavier ancestor. And Ink... still kind of annoying. I could definitely go the rest of my life without having to hear the word "cuz" ever again. I just keep picturing a hick member of the NRA living in the Bible belt whenever I hear "cuz" :biggrin:

The latest topic of discussion seems to be the liklihood of Anole and Rockslide being friends. IMO, I don't find anything unbelievable about it. Even if these kids were shallow and worried about cliques, Santo is obviously able to look past that and hang out with who he enjoys the company of. Let's not forget that he was the one who also stayed up with Indra when Indra was worried that he was the next target of mutant-hating extremists. I actually enjoy the interactions between Anole and Rockslide. I think their personalities compliment eachother thus making their friendship seem very genuine and believable.

[SayOcean]

[QUOTE=Swashbuckler;7578742]I think Santo and Anole being friends is totally possible. They are both odd looking mutants, so I think that would have been something that originally peaked their interest in each other. Ocean, I get what you're saying about High School cliques and all, but really the Hellions were a clique and Anole seemed to be on the fringe of the that clique. It's not like Xavier's had a basketball team or cheerleading squad. Your point has some validation, but perhaps working on your argumentative skills is in your near future. QUOTE]
whats up with my argumentative skills? I gave several first hand accounts of different kinds of people in h.s. sticking to their own, but whatever the cliche tough guy and small guy will live on in Santo and vic

victory for all

[madrox1977]

Well, thought this issue was an improvement on the last few, not a massive improvement but quite good, good enough for me not to drop the book.....i think you get what i'm saying.

The art was better, not great but better, not sure about the last page pic of Anole looking very tall and imho muscly, but the rest was good, the page of santo crying on scott's shoulder was particularly good.

After reading some of the comments in the thread have a few replies of my own.
A/. nothing wrong with Anole and Santo being friends they had an entertaining relationship in New x-men not best of friends but then short of getting Hellion on this title Anole would be the best choice.
B/. Completely agree with whoever said about scott being a dick during the "be a hero" speech to Dani, he should have definately been apologising to her first.
C/. Really couldn't care less about Ink, think he has basically been introduce so that they can bring in the Y-men later in the series.

[HeckBoy]

I think Santo and Anole being friends is totally possible. They are both odd looking mutants, so I think that would have been something that originally peaked their interest in each other. Ocean, I get what you're saying about High School cliques and all, but really the Hellions were a clique and Anole seemed to be on the fringe of the that clique. It's not like Xavier's had a basketball team or cheerleading squad. Your point has some validation, but perhaps working on your argumentative skills is in your near future.

This issue was alright, but some what jumbled. The context seemed to shift with no rhyme or reason, and I still don't really get that good a clear mission statement here. They aren't being educated, but taught how to defend themselves? Great, so we will have idiots running around with 9th grade educations and incredible abilities? Doesn't seem to responsible. Dani and Roberto is also an odd choice to run things, or at least it seems odd. A few months back they were throwing Dani out cause she wasn't one of them. Now she's embraced? Does Emma know Cyclops put her in-charge? And why is Cyclops telling Sunspot he shouldn't be in the Hellfire Club going to suddenly change his mind? He's been their for a while and never had problems. The reasoning just wasn't there in my opinion.

I liked the characterization of all the kids in this issue, I just have a probelm with what the book is trying to be. It's unclear and just pops up with little to no reason it seems.
Yeah, that's kinda weird isn't it? They're just going to completely shirk their academic education? Then again, with the way the X-Men have been reorganized, with everyone living all around in San Francisco, and commuting to "go to work" at Graymalkin Industries, maybe the Young X-Men's training will be more akin to kinda like an extracurricular activity, allowing them to go to regular school on their own time, instead of the X-Men's. Well, maybe not a full-time school, but at the very least, I'm sure most of the kids could do some online-schooling or get a tutor like those child actors that have to study while on set.

@Swashbuckler, Leirus, et al. this is offtopic, but where'd you all get those avatars from? I've been seeing quite a few of them on the boards recently and I think they're pretty cool. Do any of you possible have a link or did y'all make them yourselves? Thanks in advance. :biggrin:

[nikbackm]

While I enjoyed the issue, I love how that's Scott's line now. Conveniently forgetting he didn't lift a finger to keep her around when Emma exiled her for being powerless.


But that was before the Purifiers.

Dani and Roberto is also an odd choice to run things, or at least it seems odd. A few months back they were throwing Dani out cause she wasn't one of them. Now she's embraced? Does Emma know Cyclops put her in-charge? And why is Cyclops telling Sunspot he shouldn't be in the Hellfire Club going to suddenly change his mind? He's been their for a while and never had problems. The reasoning just wasn't there in my opinion.


Emma was there (with Wolverine) when Cyclops had the meeting with Dani and Roberto. So I guess she would know.

As for Roberto leaving HC, as we saw in the last Legacy things seem to have heated up there. Perhaps best he leaves before he also has an "accident". I think he realizes himself he's not cut out to play in THAT league yet.

[Angrylobster]

I gotta say I liked this issue, except for Anole's new 30-year old muscle man look.

[escapegoat]

Sorry, all I heard was "Blah blah blah I don't know how to use capital letters."

-D

I know, I found his post a little hard to understand too. I'd help retype it all out properly for you but it's all pretty negative. Heaven forebid that I should help promote such negativity on a messageboard! :tongue:

[sixhoursoflucy]

Honestly, I wish this was issue #1. Because for me, it had more character development in it than the first five combined. Sure, there wasn't any action, other than Cyclops getting slugged, but really, these moments needed to happen. And with the team's line-up changing, and still filling out accordingly (in my gut, I know Surge will end up here) I have hope for this book still.

It's just a shame that the actual mission statement of the book doesn't show up until the sixth issue. The HQ from the first arc in the Danger Cave is out the window, as well as the team's goals. A lot of readers threw their hands up during the first arc, when it looked like this was a team out to kill the original New Mutants. Now, they have to hope the little "New" New Mutants cell that's being set up captures lightning in a bottle.
Excellent review. This is almost exactly what I said about this issue over at UXN, but since you beat me to it by about five hours, I feel the need to acknowledge my agreement does not stem from plagiarism! Anyway, yes, this would have been an ideal starting point for a new series, and would have saved Guggenheim from a lot of grief. However, it seems like he and Brubaker were both instructed to kill time and "have fun" for five issues before the launch of Manifest Destiny. Personally, I had fun reading these interim stories, but it's clear most fans didn't.

@ SayOcean - BrandNew, is that you??

[Hi-Fi]

I don't care about the reasons that made Sunspot leave the Hellfire Club. All I care is that he's free of that trainwreck of storyline that CC got him stuck with.

I'm ready to see him in action!

This was a pretty good damn issue, by the way. Guggs seems to have a godd grab of Dani and Berto and the character interaction was really nice in this.

That said, with Blindfold sadly quitting, more ladies please!

[escapegoat]

I gotta say I liked this issue, except for Anole's new 30-year old muscle man look.

I haveta agree there...that was the only part of the book that I foudn to be soemwhat fugly...

Beyond that, I loved the issue. Lots of great character development. I'm probably one of the only few who's been enjoying every issue of this book so far. It seems like everyone else is too impatient to let a story develop, thanks to the mandated decompressed storytelling rule that Marvel makes all their writers adhere to nowadays. I guess this storyline as a whole will read better to everyone else when it gets collected into a TPB. I also like Ink and Greymalkin, and say to all you haters "SHUT UP" in my best Mojo Jojo impersonation.

[SayOcean]

@Swashbuckler, Leirus, et al. this is offtopic, but where'd you all get those avatars from? I've been seeing quite a few of them on the boards recently and I think they're pretty cool. Do any of you possible have a link or did y'all make them yourselves? Thanks in advance. :biggrin:just go to www.faceyourmanga.com its really fun

and lucy I have no idea what you're talking about...but yeah how could you tell

[HeckBoy]

just go to www.faceyourmanga.com its really fun

and lucy I have no idea what you're talking about...but yeah how could you tellThanks, I'll give it a try!

[jarrod]

That said, with Blindfold sadly quitting, more ladies please!
We need Cess back! I miss her SO MUCH!!! :frown:

Hope and Alani need comebacks too! And most importantly Bling!!

[Swashbuckler]

Ink should get a tattoo of Oprah. Then he'd be all powerful and be able to do WHATEVER he wanted.

[Hi-Fi]

We need Cess back! I miss her SO MUCH!!! :frown:

Hope and Alani need comebacks too! And most importantly Bling!!
Guggs has a nice list to chose from:

Surge
Loa
Trance
Mercury
Bling!

I'd personally prefer to see more of Loa and Trance, since the others had their chance in the spotlight already. But I love me some Nori, so I'm all for her to join as well. Cess can keep apearing in special occasions. :wink:

[Christopher O]

Guggs has a nice list to chose from:

Surge
Loa
Trance
Mercury
Bling!

I'd personally prefer to see more of Loa and Trance, since the others had their chance in the spotlight already. But I love me some Nori, so I'm all for her to join as well. Cess can keep apearing in special occasions. :wink:
Of your list, only Bling! gets the ZOMG! Awesome! Seal of Approval. I hope Wolfsbane eats the others.

Well, mostly just Mercury and Surge. Trance and Loa can continue being irrelevant.

[jarrod]

Bling! would rock this team. She's so the next Storm/Dani.

[just another user]

Of your list, only Bling! gets the ZOMG! Awesome! Seal of Approval. I hope Wolfsbane eats the others.

Well, mostly just Mercury and Surge. Trance and Loa can continue being irrelevant.

I dont want Wolfsbane to get Mercury poisoning :frown:

Can someone post a pic of Buff 30 year old Anole? Not so I can mock it, genuinely interested?

[Hi-Fi]

Of your list, only Bling! gets the ZOMG! Awesome! Seal of Approval. I hope Wolfsbane eats the others.

Well, mostly just Mercury and Surge. Trance and Loa can continue being irrelevant.
Hey! Trance just got a one-shot. Respect!

[jarrod]

Loa's boyfirend is an OMEGA MUTANT. That makes her at least as relevant as Cyclops.

[Hi-Fi]

I dont want Wolfsbane to get Mercury poisoning :frown:

Can someone post a pic of Buff 30 year old Anole? Not so I can mock it, genuinely interested?

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6573/anolezm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/anolezm7.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img152/anolezm7.jpg/1/)

[Hi-Fi]

Loa's boyfirend is an OMEGA MUTANT. That makes her at least as relevant as Cyclops.
And Dani is Elixir's legal guardian. Shouldn't she be checking on him and Loa?

[jarrod]

Acakgack! Vic looks AWFULOL!!

[just another user]

Thanks Hi Fi that was interesting. OMG TERRIBLE

[AN0LE]

Acakgack! Vic looks AWFULOL!!

Imagine what he WOULD look like if Paquette had done the artwork :biggrin:

[frog]

Skottie come back!

[Christopher O]

I think he looks great except for that arm. That shit needs to go.

However, Young's Anole is the definitive for me. He should be drawing Anole all the time!

[AN0LE]

Skottie come back!

We can only hope. Mr. Young hear our prayer!!!

[AN0LE]

I think he looks great except for that arm. That shit needs to go.

However, Young's Anole is the definitive for me. He should be drawing Anole all the time!

I have to agree with that. Young's rendering of Anole was definitely my favorite.

[jarrod]

Yeah, Young did the definitive Anole. I really liked Ramos too though, I'd take either of them on this book in a heartbeat.

[AN0LE]

Yeah, Young did the definitive Anole. I really liked Ramos too though, I'd take either of them on this book in a heartbeat.

Ramos and Young definitely seem to have a knack for drawing the kids. They make them look their age.

[twincast]

Yeah, that's kinda weird isn't it? They're just going to completely shirk their academic education? Then again, with the way the X-Men have been reorganized, with everyone living all around in San Francisco, and commuting to "go to work" at Graymalkin Industries, maybe the Young X-Men's training will be more akin to kinda like an extracurricular activity, allowing them to go to regular school on their own time, instead of the X-Men's. Well, maybe not a full-time school, but at the very least, I'm sure most of the kids could do some online-schooling or get a tutor like those child actors that have to study while on set.
That would make sense, but I don't get the feeling we'll see any of it. Maybe online classes mentioned once to shut the fans up at most.

Anyway, I liked it. Wasn't blown away by any means, but it's good enough. Compared to the awfully weak crap in the first arc it's actually almost awesome.
I also liked the art aside from the last page. 1.) Anole doesn't strike me as the kind to wear wifebeaters. 2.) While the general physique is pretty fitting (though obviously a bit too big, not so much it bothers me (yet)), he can't draw Vic's arm (it isn't Hulk-sized, dammit!) or even his carapace at all.
*sigh* If only (e.g.) Ryan or Medina could come back to the kids...


damn, am I slow at typing today. two pages written while I kept getting distracted.

[Angrylobster]

I have to agree with that. Young's rendering of Anole was definitely my favorite.

Truth. Skottie's Anole was perfect in my opinion. No artist has drawn him better

[North-Star]

I think Anole looks kinda hot actually..

Bet he's been working out since (Messiah Complex) the mansion got ruined....
That's what'cha do when ya get bored....

[chickrockguitar]

I think Anole looks kinda hot actually..
Bet he's been working out since (Messiah Complex) the mansion got ruined....
That's what'cha do when ya get bored....LMAO! Well, I wouldn'y go as far as Hot, or 30, lol. BUT he reminds me of dudes (Minus the Mutant factor) in one of those serfer mags, lol.

I am a little pissed actually. To me he looks like 17/18 and he's not. He's 15. There, no way does he look like a 15 year old kid. :evilangry: :evilangry:

[Seikun21]

MY EYES! GOD NO!!!

It can't be the real Anole. It's a skrull, it's gotta be. Damn anal skrulls.

[Push You Down]

Is Anole retarded? He hasn't heard of San Francisco before?

Yeah.... I like small and lanky lizard Anole.. this buff dude is not to my liking..


Heh.. anal skrull.

[fitditz]

Imagine what he WOULD look like if Paquette had done the artwork :biggrin:
Everyone should just be thankful that Paquette wasn't on this issue. Image the mess that he could've made for Anole's reveal. This isn't that bad.

[Eye in the Sky]

Is Anole retarded? He hasn't heard of San Francisco before?

Yeah.... I like small and lanky lizard Anole.. this buff dude is not to my liking..


Heh.. anal skrull.

I do not think it is a matter of never hearing of the city, I believe he just didn't know the city Dani was talking about.

[chickrockguitar]

Yeah that was my thought too.

[frog]

Add me to the list that likes Anole lanky. Not everyone in comics has to have a bodybuilder's physique. I don't consider bulging muscles that attractive. Trim and healthy is fine.

[MuhollandDriver]

This issue has me hooked :)

i am interested in what is going to happen next. That tranny mess of a first arc is over.

Guggenheim has shown his talent in this one.

Yeah....Anole's drawing was off.....as was that huge arm....most artists fail to get that right!

Greymalkin is quite interesting to me..we shall see what happens.

This was also the first issue that i can actually see Ink going somewhere.

Rockslide and Anole are friends. It should remain that way.

However...is anyone sensing a possible romance between Anole and Ink? The antagonistic relationship between Ink and Rockslide kinda made me think it could go that way.

[cgar]

Rockslide and Victor should just be friends. Nothing interesting in them getting together. And right now Santo is straight.

[Kid Icarus]

their secks would be gross anyways
And Anole was kinda fugly
but overall i enjoyed this issue.
Too bad this wasn't the first issue....

[The Black Guardian]

Anole was only ever lanky in the eyes of bizarro Skottie, who sees everyone in various shades of lanky. The Anole we see in this issue is how Anole was originally designed to be, and this was not buff.

[Seikun21]

their secks would be gross anyways
And Anole was kinda fugly
but overall i enjoyed this issue.
Too bad this wasn't the first issue....

Well it wouldn't be too fugly... found a fan art on the web.

Not safe for work. Or mind. Very dirty. (http://yaoi.y-gallery.net/files/data/4/45/458880-20080901143202.jpg/punkersteam%20-%20Anole%20&%20Rockslide.jpg)

For the record I am still very against the pairing.

[Kid Icarus]

le link dont work

[Hi-Fi]

le link dont work
I f*cking love your avatar and want to steal it!

[Kid Icarus]

I f*cking love your avatar and want to steal it!

Yeah
well
that was supposed to be your present!
but you were too busy
too busy indeed!

[jarrod]

I don't mind the idea that Vic has something of a crush on Santo though. Seems perfectly natural honestly.

[Hi-Fi]

Yeah
well
that was supposed to be your present!
but you were too busy
too busy indeed!
OMG!:frown:

That's because I don't use AIM anymore, just MSN. Awww.

It looks great on you, though! Did you draw it?

[Dr. Chaos]

Marc has really impressed me with his Spider-Man work so I'm glad to hear he was able to turn things around.

Unfortunately I got way too much going on to start following anything on the X-Men side of things on top of everything else.

[Scavenger]

So a school is too dangerous because it puts all the kids in one place...despite that place being some massive complex with every mutant in the world at...so they stick them in a church not on the base but in the city...where every mutant in the world is at...

I mean the whole "the mansion is too exposed, so we'll operate openly in a city with a massive public base" idea doesn't make any sense..but this just saw sense pass by on the Golden Gate Bridge going the other way.


And Roberto leaves the Hellfire Club cuz Scott thinks he'd be too much of a target? Yeah, cuz not like he's the head of any corporations or anything and him suddenly being in San Francisco won't be noticed...and not like having him ride herd over the HFC would be a good tactical move or nothing.n

[MuhollandDriver]

Just so You all know....

i made an error in my last post. i meant to say Anole and Ink! i could see Anole and Ink going somewhere...which would make it very interesting with Rockslide....his friend getting all passionate with someone he hates. Would be quite an interesting shift!

[Patrion]

Just so You all know....

i made an error in my last post. i meant to say Anole and Ink! i could see Anole and Ink going somewhere...which would make it very interesting with Rockslide....his friend getting all passionate with someone he hates. Would be quite an interesting shift!

Tru dat, hombre! Hm, they would be called Anolink! YES! Anolink and LoLixir are my new favorite couples!
-----
And before someone flies off the handle, I know that the Anole*Ink pairing is purely in fan-fiction!

[cgar]

so do we know if this artist is staying or is he just filling in for Paquette.

[Seikun21]

le link dont work

Is it working now? I could have sworn i fixed it like right away.

[podmark]

so do we know if this artist is staying or is he just filling in for Paquette.

Fillin as far as we know.

Also I actually believe Anole would have looked better under Paquette. I didn't find his art overly bad, just overly bland, with some character interpretative issues. Anole would at least have looked young.

[tornshattered]

Okay, I hate ink. Cute Santo pic wth Cyke. Dust is amusing. Anole is okay. Why did they get rid of Ruth? Xavier's greatgrandthing, seriously? Why would Roberto leave hellfire club? I'd love to get in.. And what the hell is with Dani's powers?
Here. I let it out of my system.

[Hakael]

Okay, I hate ink. Cute Santo pic wth Cyke. Dust is amusing. Anole is okay. Why did they get rid of Ruth? Xavier's greatgrandthing, seriously? Why would Roberto leave hellfire club? I'd love to get in.. And what the hell is with Dani's powers?
Here. I let it out of my system.

I'd imagine it'd be kinda hard to write Ruth as a regular. She's situational, and thats generally where she shines anyway... Roberto just deciding "hey, I don't think I want to lead the hellfire club anymore" is a bit jarring...

Dani has been depowered since decimation.

This issue was alright, I'm still not going to put it back on my pull list... but this is probably my favorite issue so far all things considered.

How the hell did Pierce get out in time for Bastion and the Purifiers to bring him in?

[Red Savina]

This is the first time I really see Dust as a character and I'm pleasantly surprised by how much I like her.

The Greymalkin/Xavier reveal was really, really, really dumb and I actually really like Greymalkin and supported him from the beginning. But long-lost relatives, especially mysterious ancestors, are lame no matter what. Kind of like time-traveling mutants that stick around.

Sunspot and Moonstar should've formed this team from the beginning. I would've loved seeing them evaluate Dani's former students and see who would be best for her team. I agree with everyone else that the book should've started this way and for that matter, it should continue this way.

Olivier FTW.

[twincast]

Just so You all know....

i made an error in my last post. i meant to say Anole and Ink! i could see Anole and Ink going somewhere...which would make it very interesting with Rockslide....his friend getting all passionate with someone he hates. Would be quite an interesting shift!
I figured as much and wholeheartedly agree! :biggrin:
Finally there's someone I actually want to see Victor with since poor Maxie bit the bucket. :frown:

[tornshattered]

I figured as much and wholeheartedly agree! :biggrin:
Finally there's someone I actually want to see Victor with since poor Maxie bit the bucket. :frown:

Maybe they'll have a threesome.

[Kid Icarus]

The whole thing about Ruth leaving is
that Guggggs has said that he has plans to write her origin
so we can learn about her riddlespeak
so I assume she will be back

[AN0LE]

The whole thing about Ruth leaving is
that Guggggs has said that he has plans to write her origin
so we can learn about her riddlespeak
so I assume she will be back

Yes please! A Blindfold origins story would definitely be a great read... so long as it was written well, of course.

[Toboe]

I decided to give this a try because of the Dust exchange quoted on the summary here, and I was quite impressed by how much the book improves by getting rid of the ridiculous hoax plot from the first arc (and Wolf Cub).

I actually like the new status quo for the young team. The new church-located base looks like its gonna be fun. Sunspot acting as instructor together with Moonstar is gonna be interesting, I'm really looking forward to see Dani take charge without any actual powers. But I kind of hate their uniforms, they should've gone with something like what Karma is wearing over at Uncanny X-Men.

Great scenes with Rockslide and Dust, this reminded me of why I used to love them. Anole showing up is great, and the way he was introduced actually fits nicely with his DWS story. I've missed his dynamic with Rockslide, can't wait to see their reunion. And I'm glad they finally realized Blindfold is not combat material, but instead should be acting as support.

However, I still can't stand Ink and I find Graymalkin completely uninteresting. And it puzzles me that if they're assembling a combat unit for young mutants, why not bring in the rest of the former New X-Men team (Hellion, Surge, Mercury and Prodigy) who are already combat-trained in some capacity, instead of a couple of newcomers. Ink especially feels extremely forced after Cyclops' "no more second chances" statement...

[fitditz]

I decided to give this a try because of the Dust exchange quoted on the summary here, and I was quite impressed by how much the book improves by getting rid of the ridiculous hoax plot from the first arc (and Wolf Cub).

I actually like the new status quo for the young team. The new church-located base looks like its gonna be fun. Sunspot acting as instructor together with Moonstar is gonna be interesting, I'm really looking forward to see Dani take charge without any actual powers. But I kind of hate their uniforms, they should've gone with something like what Karma is wearing over at Uncanny X-Men.

Great scenes with Rockslide and Dust, this reminded me of why I used to love them. Anole showing up is great, and the way he was introduced actually fits nicely with his DWS story. I've missed his dynamic with Rockslide, can't wait to see their reunion. And I'm glad they finally realized Blindfold is not combat material, but instead should be acting as support.

However, I still can't stand Ink and I find Graymalkin completely uninteresting. And it puzzles me that if they're assembling a combat unit for young mutants, why not bring in the rest of the former New X-Men team (Hellion, Surge, Mercury and Prodigy) who are already combat-trained in some capacity, instead of a couple of newcomers. Ink especially feels extremely forced after Cyclops' "no more second chances" statement...
Well Hellion's going to be a baddie (joining Selene and Wither), Surge will be joining X-Force, Mercury is headed over to X-Factor and Prodigy has already moved into Limbo.

[podmark]

Well Hellion's going to be a baddie (joining Selene and Wither), Surge will be joining X-Force, Mercury is headed over to X-Factor and Prodigy has already moved into Limbo.

Is any of that confirmed?

[DeadXMan]

Yeah, but since all cells in the body are replaced after seven years, it doesn't really work on a living organism.

But what the hell, this is comic book science.


finger nails aren't living
they are dead cells just like hair

[Seikun21]

Is any of that confirmed?

Not a word.

[podmark]

Not a word.

Couldn't find the right smiling but my post was supposed to be read with a high amount of skepticism.

[MuhollandDriver]

A lot of it has to do with who the writer "clicks" with.

i like the new lineup. Another female would be nice..but so far it is looking promising.

Anole, Dani, Roberto, Rockslide, Dust....these are characters i like.

Greymalkin intriques me.

Ink...well this issue i actually felt for the guy.

Spiderman...Illyana....Cypher! Some interesting things are going to happen. i cannot wait.

[Excelsior]

Marc Guggenheim your stock is rising, cuz. I found this little gem for u---here is a site you can get the jump on slang from--dont worry its public domain.

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flirtationship

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[pariah-1972]

lol @Chucky McBrokenlegs':biggrin:

I really liked the characted devolpment in this issue , not so crazy about the art ( i can live with it) i didn't recognize Dani until someone called her by name and then i noticed she had a feather sticking out of her hair.:rolleyes:

Bobby looked way to pale.

Bring back Magma !

And Surge !

I hope they bring back Blindfold she could be interesting

Anole looks a little buffed out which is kinda weird cause he used to be so short.

B+

[_Jayme_]

The addition of Anole is nice, although I can think of two or three other younger X-Men that could also fit well with Dust, Rockslide, Ink & Greymalkin.

I'm indifferent to the Greymalkin situation, with him being an ancestor of Professor Xavier. I would say that I hope it isn't discussed any longer, but that would be stupid...I hope it turns out...wrong.

Dani & Roberto as the instructors is awesome..I hope for more Magma though.

[MuhollandDriver]

So.....the more i thought about it....so far there are five member on the team...what does this say about the plethora of other youth members?

Are they already on the big leagues? If so..that would mean that this team is for those who are not ready for the big leagues.

Then again...that cannot be true. Rockslide and Dust are on it. Anole was a relatively new member..but he can more than hold his own.

Also...Pixie is on the big leagues. If there was a team intended for novices...no offfense but she'd be on it.

Is this team for those who they specifically see as future X-Men?

i actually really enjoyed the art (save for Anole's rendering) in this issue.

Things are coming together. i am quite excited! You're good, Guggs. Keep it up.

i am glad that i stuck out the first arc. i did not enjoy it....but i got a feeling that New X-Men...much as i loved it..can finally fold....cool new future ahead!

[podmark]

Yeah I agree MuhollandDriver, there's a huge logic issue regarding whose not on this team. And it's really only explainable through logistics; too many characters for too few writers and books. New X-Men had a large cast (and I loved it) but not all writers are comfortable with such a cast size.

For argument sake we could consider Prodigy graduated as he was made an instructor in Children of the X-Men and we've seen him assisting Beast in Legacy. Elixir has probably mysteriously disappeared :wink: but for the rest I don't really know. I really wish the writers would create a believable explanation.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I just read young X-men 6, and at the end when Anole asks "What City is this?" after Dani gives her acceptance of minorities and mutants (notice how those two things are seperate? I thought current Marvel Earth didn't draw much from reality when it came to racism, and not the separate species type.) speech, anyone get the impression that they intentionally threw out the "Hey, Anole's gonna like it because he's gay, and he's going to one of the largest openly gay cities in America."

[MuhollandDriver]

Well.....i think Dani probably used it to convince him a bit more.

i do not feel there was anything stereotypical about it.

Gay kids were probably few in his hometown. He might've been the only gay person and the only mutant in that town. He might've been the only gay student at Xaviers also.

Sure, the kid is well liked. Nonetheless, if he ever wants to date...well....San Fransisco might be a better place to date than his hometown or Xavier's.

Dani knew this. She went for it. Why the heck not?

[XaviersMisprint]

Well.....i think Dani probably used it to convince him a bit more.

i do not feel there was anything stereotypical about it.

Gay kids were probably few in his hometown. He might've been the only gay person and the only mutant in that town. He might've been the only gay student at Xaviers also.

Sure, the kid is well liked. Nonetheless, if he ever wants to date...well....San Fransisco might be a better place to date than his hometown or Xavier's.

Dani knew this. She went for it. Why the heck not?


agreed. everyone wants to be excepted, no matter who you are. it isn't stereotypical for a straight man to want to go paradise island, for instance...

[Tsarin]

lol @Chucky McBrokenlegs':biggrin:
Bring back Magma !
B+

Yeah- I thought she would've been a better choice to help train the kids alongside Sunspot. Not that I don't like Dani, but I thought Guggenheim's take on Magma was much more convincing that his Dani.

I hope she appears soon and often.

What about Cannonball? Is he going to have a home? I want to see him in an ongoing *somewhere*...

[_Jayme_]

I just read young X-men 6, and at the end when Anole asks "What City is this?" after Dani gives her acceptance of minorities and mutants (notice how those two things are seperate? I thought current Marvel Earth didn't draw much from reality when it came to racism, and not the separate species type.) speech, anyone get the impression that they intentionally threw out the "Hey, Anole's gonna like it because he's gay, and he's going to one of the largest openly gay cities in America."

What? You think they just brought in Anole because he's gay....? Is this right?

No, I don't think that is the situation at all. It's because he was used as a core member in NXM for such a short time. He never really did get his chance before that title ended. My guess is that it's because Rockslide has had such a hard time and it's obvious that Rockslide/Anole are close..

[chickrockguitar]

Anole is awesome. End of. And not just because he's gay.
He was brought in cos the writers/editors realised he had fans.

[Kage Kisaragi]

What? You think they just brought in Anole because he's gay....? Is this right?

No, I don't think that is the situation at all. It's because he was used as a core member in NXM for such a short time. He never really did get his chance before that title ended. My guess is that it's because Rockslide has had such a hard time and it's obvious that Rockslide/Anole are close..

How you got that im not sure, but what I was saying is that it was odd that they made Dani use the sales pitch she did, The whole widely accepted minority/mutant thing, and then my gawd like it wasn't obvious enough, when it was revealed that it was Anole she was talking to.

Anole: "What city would this be?"

Then in big huge laters San Francisco, I mean unless you never read the NXM or any other appearances of Anole that also had Northstar, it might slip past you, but if you have it was kind of like "SO OBVIOUS!" it wasn't subtle is all im saying. Wouldn't he know that kind of thing, I mean as far as being better off in San Francisco? I mean, if he were going to leave and go some where wouldn't it be San Fran by default (didn't he mention that in his solo story with northstar just as the Messiah Complex, United We Stand 1 or 2 or something? I mean, if San Fran, was so openly receptive when it came to mutants why the heck wouldn't every mutant go there by default anyway?

Well, anyway back to the point. No I don't really care that he's gay and thats nor do I think thats why they put him on the team. That never even crossed my mind, the fact that they blew up his spot to the readers is what kind of urked me. I may not know how a gay person feels about their sexuality and its exposure or how others perceive it, but I think if I were and read a comic that had a gay character who I knew was gay in it, and the writer quietly used the characters sexual preference as a selling point to the character by making another character mention San Francisco the supposed gay mecca of the universe as a reason why the guy might be interested in going.. I'd be hella offended.

However I will admit, someone might have rung home with their earlier reply that "Everyone wants to be accepted." (cept me, kind of.) So maybe if it were just a little more coincidental I wouldn't care as much.

[jarrod]

Wait, just five YXM? Anyone think Guggs might be going for an O5 homage (with X-23 in the basement, LOL)?

[Kage Kisaragi]

i don't think so as the whole point of this title is to keep fans of the younger mutants happy.

1.) Scott already said, he will pull certain youngins up from the minors to use in missions on a case by case bases. (example, he'll pick Anole when they need a covert operative and Wolverine is busy, and Domino is no where to be found. He'll pull out Rockslide when they need some extra muscle and Colossus is to busy grieving over Kitty.)

2.) All the young mutants are welcomed to come to the X-Chapel to train to be mutant soldiers. Ironic since Surge said she didn't remember joining the army back in Secret Invasion: X-Men #2. The main team however for the purposes of keeping this title focused on young mutant adventurers/soldiers will most likely shift every 7 to 9 issues, as the teens will be written like they have their reasons for coming and going as evident with Blindfold, and Rockslide. So for the next 2 or 3 issues it might look like Dust, Ink, Graymalkin, Anole, and probably one more girl, Surge possibly, or Mercury, or even one of the major minors Pixie or Armor.)

[jarrod]

Sure, in the wider sense there's obviously a hige difference in structure and intent... I just thought it lined up kinda interestingly. Even down to gender actually.

[La Fea]

This was such a good issue, I thought.

As much as Blindfold is my favorite character on this team, I feel like this team seems a bit more solid with her stepping aside. I feel like Moonstar and Sunspot seem like they'd make pretty cool mentors and hopefully seem like peers to the group as well.

Anole, of course, is a great addition.

OMFG! Dust! Very nicely done.

Greymalkin can GTFO with that ancestor mess. I still think he's the bee's knees, but I hope BEAST IS WRONG and he forgot to carry over a 3 or something in his calculations.

Wind Dancer now, k thx Guggs. :)

[frog]

i don't think so as the whole point of this title is to keep fans of the younger mutants happy.



They could have done that by not cancelling New X-Men.

[Kage Kisaragi]

They could have done that by not cancelling New X-Men.

Oh I'm with you all the way on this one... my thoughts? I think they figured there weren't to many fans, based on subscriptions or fan letters. Then after the axe was dropped got the word that all hell was heading to the Marvel HQ and decided to try and remedy this.

[Beast]

They could have done that by not cancelling New X-Men.
Yeah. But they wanted to make a clean break with it.

Since the creative team and the mission statement of the book was changing so drastically.

[Patrion]

As much as Blindfold is my favorite character on this team, I feel like this team seems a bit more solid with her stepping aside. I feel like Moonstar and Sunspot seem like they'd make pretty cool mentors and hopefully seem like peers to the group as well.

They are going to be the best mentors ever! I can already see 'Berto taking the guys to the HFC and saying, "Take your pick, these hooches are all paid for!" Heheheheh! :tongue: Dani is just cool and awesome as it is! Also, as always, you have the cutest and most awesomest Avatar!

2.) All the young mutants are welcomed to come to the X-Chapel to train to be mutant soldiers. Ironic since Surge said she didn't remember joining the army back in Secret Invasion: X-Men #2. The main team however for the purposes of keeping this title focused on young mutant adventurers/soldiers will most likely shift every 7 to 9 issues, as the teens will be written like they have their reasons for coming and going as evident with Blindfold, and Rockslide. So for the next 2 or 3 issues it might look like Dust, Ink, Graymalkin, Anole, and probably one more girl, Surge possibly, or Mercury, or even one of the major minors Pixie or Armor.)

Did Rockslide leave as well? Like really left? I know that he's been on the future covers, but that doesn't mean anything. I just thought he was storming off and having cool down moment.

[Kage Kisaragi]

They are going to be the best mentors ever! I can already see 'Berto taking the guys to the HFC and saying, "Take your pick, these hooches are all paid for!" Heheheheh! :tongue: Dani is just cool and awesome as it is! Also, as always, you have the cutest and most awesomest Avatar!



Did Rockslide leave as well? Like really left? I know that he's been on the future covers, but that doesn't mean anything. I just thought he was storming off and having cool down moment.

*shrug* I look at things for what they are until proven otherwise. I didn't see any bags but who knows.

[Patrion]

*shrug* I look at things for what they are until proven otherwise. I didn't see any bags but who knows.

I get cha! I'm a fan of Rockslide, so I hopes he is around forever!

[RedRonin]

I just sat down and read 1-6 in one sitting and I have to say, Young X-Men is better than the book that came before it.

It's hardly perfect. A bit too drawn out, especially when the end of the arc is so clear from the beginning. But overall pretty enjoyable, though not necessarily worth continuing.

[jarrod]

I like Rockslide more than Colossus, Warpath and Guido combined. Srsly!

[pariah-1972]

I like Rockslide more than Colossus, Warpath and Guido combined. Srsly!Yeah he seems to have lots of personality to burn.

[Victorious]

I just read the issue, my humble opinions:

THE WRITING

Well, i love this issue and I’m liking Guggs more and more…

Rockslide: I love to see more of Rockslide feelings and how he is dealing with all of this, specially with Wolfcub’s death and it’s consequences. First the aggression toward Cyclops, then rejection toward Ink and then sadness and showing that he really is a sensitive and vulnerable guy. Rockslide remind me of those big brothers who are always bothering the younger brothers but they are the first ones to stand by their side and defend them from anything, so I imagine how Rockslide would feel about loosing Wolfcub. I hope Guggs doesn’t forget his stupid side as well as his vulnareble one.

Dust: I’ve always love Dust. She doesn’t appear much but man, that was the BEST dialogue ever written for Sooraya! I love her convictions! I hope Guggs keep writing her that way!
I’m interesting to see her reaction to their new headquarters and if she’ll ever find out that Jonas saw her naked.

Ink: I like him, not sure about his powers and I’m expecting some limitation, but he is interesting as a character and he is good for team dynamics. The not understanded, regretted and judged former bad guy. As I’m sure he is not a mutant, I wonder why he is always talking how “he doesn’t like mutant politics”, I’m interested in knowing when he start believing he is a mutant, when did he get his first tattoo and how he ended in jail.

Anole: I like Guggs get him right were Skottie leave him.
Now he has invisible powers as opposed to camouflage? I have to say I like that idea and I always imagine his powers to work that way. And Anole in San Francisco would be fun…
I just realize that in page 11 they miscolored Dani and Anole dialogues. Anole is the purple one and Dani the green one.

Graymalkin: I think he is interesting, we haven’t discovered how he is here and how he speaks with “Doug?” and we are already complaining, I will wait until his powers and story is fully explained…

Blindfold: I don’t’ want her to leave the team because she is one of my favorites characters, but I understand she isn’t that interesting on battle. I just hope Guggs continue using her in every issue. And I kind of want her to have some romantic developing with Ink, she seems to be the only one who understand him and Ink seems to feel undestanded by her.

THE ART

The art is better than previous issues, but I’m still not fan from the art in this issue, I really think the book will improve a lot with another artist. I don’t like how the expressions were done at all (ej: Ink confessing he was working for Pierce) and I think marvel should use some other artist who is great with kids like Young, Ramos, Medina, Urusov, Brooks, Ryan, Middleton, Manapul...

Anole: I agree with what most of the posters said about Anole art.

Blindfold: I hate how they keep getting her style wrong, short skirt? WTF?

Dust: I like how she is drawn, but her eyes are GREEN, as seen in the cover of New X-Men #133!

Dani and Berto: what happen to their skin colors in the last pages?!

[cgar]

whos was the person next to cyclops that said yes darling when they were having that meeting with Dani and Berto. Cuz i don't think emma would dress like that

[MuhollandDriver]

Anole was ultimately chosen because he has a fan base and because the writers like him.

Before Young X-Men even started, i always thought that Anole, Dust, Rockslide, and Elixir were the ones with the most potential to stay in the core X-titles and not fade into limbo. i find it quite interesting that the first three are in Young X-Men and Elixir is getting a solid supporting role that might be expanding in X-Force.

[The Black Guardian]

whos was the person next to cyclops that said yes darling when they were having that meeting with Dani and Berto. Cuz i don't think emma would dress like that
The person says, "We're not a school anymore, darling." It's certainly meant to be Emma. Who else would call Scott "darling?" I do agree that Emma wouldn't wear a grey skirt with white socks. Maybe it was wash day?

[DeadXMan]

I wish I wasn't house sitting

I would so make an animated sig of the two Santo panels
First they're sour (punching Cyke) then they're sweet (hugging scene)

[podmark]

Before Young X-Men even started, i always thought that Anole, Dust, Rockslide, and Elixir were the ones with the most potential to stay in the core X-titles and not fade into limbo. i find it quite interesting that the first three are in Young X-Men and Elixir is getting a solid supporting role that might be expanding in X-Force.

I agree with you except for Elixir. I always thought he'd be one of the first off to Limbo because of his powers. But I'm really happy he's appearing in X-Force. The other 3 you mentioned definitely have a certain staying power, but I always thought Surge would be in there too. She was always front and center on the New X-Men covers and promotions since the begining. Also I just knew Prodigy would be the first into Limbo too.

My one fear of Anole joining Young X-Men is that Guggenheim is going to use him as just 'The gay guy'. Anole's too cool a character to be pigeon-holed to just one of his characteristics.
Also I must say that my love of Rockslide continues to grow.

[The Lucky One]

Per Ink, I can't be the only one who's getting a real "Mimic redux" vibe from him, right? There's the "arrogant bad guy fights the team, but then joins them" angle. Then there's the fact that Ink is (probably) not a mutant, like Mimic. As for powers, he's a complete gamekiller, much like Mimic was, because Ink can basically get any power... he already has telepathy, flight, super-strength, etc., and adding any new ones is as simple as visiting his artist.

But it's the combination of these things that makes me wonder if he's necessarily long for this team. He might be, of course; but Mimic didn't last long, partially because his powers made all the other characters redundant. We know Ink's probably not a mutant, and we know there's a storyline coming up where a group of "Y-Men" emerge with tattooed powers as well, and there's even been speculation that it's the tattoo artist who's actually the mutant. Without being certain, let's say I won't be shocked if the story ends with Ink's powers no longer functional, but him having redeemed himself (just as Mimic's tenure with the X-Men ended with him saving them all, but burning out his powers while doing it).

Just speculation, but we'll see.

-D

[Patrion]

You guys remember when pretty much everyone hated Rockslide? I remember seeing the bile and utter meanness of the words that some of the posters had for Santo! I was even in a "War of Words" with someone over him! I'm just glad that, to some degree, most people like him now! YAY!

[pariah-1972]

You guys remember when pretty much everyone hated Rockslide? I remember seeing the bile and utter meanness of the words that some of the posters had for Santo! I was even in a "War of Words" with someone over him! I'm just glad that, to some degree, most people like him now! YAY!He just the kind of person you have to let grow on you like Wolverine.


I never disliked him but he was more of a jerk in the earlier stages and now he seems to have matured some.

[justinkos91]

What's with Blindfold's wardrobe. In astonishing, it's robes and bizarre stuff, now it's mini skirts and your typical teen stuff. I enjoy Blindfold very much, but keep the cryptic look, it suits her so much better.

[justinkos91]

What's with Blindfold's wardrobe. In astonishing, it's robes and bizarre stuff, now it's mini skirts and your typical teen stuff. I enjoy Blindfold very much, but keep the cryptic look, it suits her so much better.

[justinkos91]

What's with Blindfold's wardrobe. In astonishing, it's robes and bizarre stuff, now it's mini skirts and your typical teen stuff. I enjoy Blindfold very much, but keep the cryptic look, it suits her so much better.

[justinkos91]

What's with Blindfold's wardrobe. In astonishing, it's robes and bizarre stuff, now it's mini skirts and your typical teen stuff. I enjoy Blindfold very much, but keep the cryptic look, it suits her so much better.

[MuhollandDriver]

I agree with you except for Elixir. I always thought he'd be one of the first off to Limbo because of his powers. But I'm really happy he's appearing in X-Force. The other 3 you mentioned definitely have a certain staying power, but I always thought Surge would be in there too. She was always front and center on the New X-Men covers and promotions since the begining. Also I just knew Prodigy would be the first into Limbo too.

My one fear of Anole joining Young X-Men is that Guggenheim is going to use him as just 'The gay guy'. Anole's too cool a character to be pigeon-holed to just one of his characteristics.
Also I must say that my love of Rockslide continues to grow.

Yes, i agree. The reason i put Elixir up there was because of his "Omega Level" status. That often gives a character more impetus to stick around etc...for them to save the world or be the big bad.

As for Anole....i trust Guggs. That issue alone hinted that Anole could very well be a star player in this series. He was quite a big focal point in that issue alone.

[Grazzt]

Wait, just five YXM? Anyone think Guggs might be going for an O5 homage (with X-23 in the basement, LOL)?

I actually think that it's just because five man groups (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveManBand) are fairly popular in fiction.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Wasn't sure where else to post this, but david Yardin has posted up a Zombie Variant cover for Young X-men #7 on his DeviantART page. Thought I'd share:

http://davidyardin.deviantart.com/art/Young-X-Men-7-Zombie-Variant-99958000

[Red Savina]

Thats the coolest cover ever.

[Christopher O]

That's a great cover! Fantastic!

[Kid Icarus]

Zombie dani scares the dickens from me.
And I would appreciate it if she would gain some kind of ability back...
I guess I need to wait until December and X-infernus

[MuhollandDriver]

i love that cover! i just might have to buy it :)

Want to know what i also like? Despite being all zombie-ish...they look like a team. Young X-Men has only currently felt like that. Keep it up, Guggenheim!

[RickyD410]

Can anyone post the cover here? I dont have a deviantart account, so I cant see it.

[fitditz]

Zombie Rockslide looks normal

[Seikun21]

Can anyone post the cover here? I dont have a deviantart account, so I cant see it.

Neither do I, but luckily Marvel has it up at their website now.

http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/1008/YNGXM007COV_VAR_col.jpg

[David Yardin]

Glad you guys like the cover. Not sure who did the colours on that one, but here's the B&W for those not members of dA:

http://fc99.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/280/a/2/Young_X_Men_7_Zombie_Variant_by_davidyardin.jpg

Zombie Rockslide looks normal

LOL, yes he does. :biggrin:

[greenshoes713]

Glad you guys like the cover. Not sure who did the colours on that one, but here's the B&W for those not members of dA:

http://fc99.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/280/a/2/Young_X_Men_7_Zombie_Variant_by_davidyardin.jpg



LOL, yes he does. :biggrin:

Ugh Instead of sand its blood eww how gory

I love it
Nice job mister Yardin! (I liked the red eyes too)

[fitditz]

The best cover that we've seen to date for this series.

[Brett P]

Ha, they do look like a pretty cool team of zombies! Decent rendition of Anoles arm too...I'm impressed!

[Seikun21]

The best cover that we've seen to date for this series.

It kind of says something that we like these characters better dead than alive...

[MuhollandDriver]

That is a great rendition of Anole's arm!

This is officially the third artist who has gotten it decent.

[Eye in the Sky]

That Is Not The Right Shade Of Green For Anole!!!!!!!

[fitditz]

It kind of says something that we like these characters better dead than alive...
LOL...not denying that!

[Seikun21]

That Is Not The Right Shade Of Green For Anole!!!!!!!

This Anole's a heck of a lot closer than the one actually appearing within the pages of Young X-men.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention it before but great job Mr. Yardin.

[SayOcean]

I Concur....eww zombie dust throwing her blood, guts and chunks of flesh at people....grossness

[Brett P]

That Is Not The Right Shade Of Green For Anole!!!!!!!

This Anole's a heck of a lot closer than the one actually appearing within the pages of Young X-men.


Something tells me there was more then a hint of sarcasm in his post...:tongue:

[Seikun21]

Something tells me there was more then a hint of sarcasm in his post...:tongue:

Oh I know. He's the one who said that we should stop being whiny and just be glad that Victor didn't get blown up on the bus. He's not a fan of the character, but still it needed to be said. Zombie Anole looks better than YXM Anole.

[Christopher O]

That Is Not The Right Shade Of Green For Anole!!!!!!!
LOL

Too funny.

[Brett P]

Oh I know. He's the one who said that we should stop being whiny and just be glad that Victor didn't get blown up on the bus. He's not a fan of the character, but still it needed to be said. Zombie Anole looks better than YXM Anole.

Eh, if he doesn't want whiny then a comic book forum isn't the best place to be...

Anyway I think "whining" about the arm, something that defines so much of his look is perfectly justified. It's not asking much for artists to be consistant with the original design. That's why we don't see Wolverine showing up with a buzz cut or Colossus with vertical lines going down his body in steel form...

And yes, lol, he actually does look better than what showed up on the last page of #6.

LOL

Too funny.

Not really since he's a different colour in literally every appearance :tongue:

[MuhollandDriver]

*laughs*

Well...nonetheless i am overjoyed see Anole a team member. i remember when he was a minor character in The New Mutants volume 2/Academy X. He developed quite a following then...yet remained a minor/supporting role.

When he finally became a major character..New X-Men got cancelled!

Call me a feta cheeseball...but i am proud to see him as a prominent team member. Heck...he is honestly one of the few who has made it to a title.

Makes me happy!

i would love to see Kyle and Yost write an Anole and Rockslide limited series.

You reading this, authors? ;)