The Marvel U Needs to Lighten Up!

[Liberty Belle Fan]

I was a HUGE fan of two books who are sadly no longer with us. Cable & Deadpool, and The Irredeemable Ant-Man. Both titles consistently pushed very creative and intruiging stories, but also had the ability to poke fun at themselves and the MU as a whole at the same time. It was particularly refreshing to have a recap page in C&D that did this on a weekly basis, and the entire concept behind Kirkman's Irredeemable Ant-Man was beyond hilarious.

I'd really like to see more titles released in this genre, and/or a volume 2 of either C&D or Ant-Man at some point in the future. If not, I'd like to see another fun, exciting monthly that can poke fun at itself and the MU as a whole.

Who's with me!?

[marvell2100]

They do need a few more books with irreverant humor. She-Hulk was a book in that mold. I also liked the Daughters of the Dragon mini. I thought it had a little dark humor to it.

[Monty_Cristo]

Irredeemable Ant-Man (or maybe Dishonorable Hornet post-Invasion).

[marvell2100]

Irredeemable Ant-Man (or maybe Dishonorable Hornet post-Invasion).

Is that ongoing or mini?

[Hrungr]

The Marvel Adventures line is probably your best bet here. Plenty of humor in those books.

"Irreverant humor" books usually aren't big sellers in the core MU which is why you see them getting cancelled one after another.

[Monty_Cristo]

Is that ongoing or mini?

neither. i made it up. :D

[marvell2100]

neither. i made it up. :D

I know, I was going along for the ride.

[Beast]

Cable & Deadpool and Irredeemable Ant-Man were funny?

I guess maybe in a Jackass sort of way maybe.

[Monty_Cristo]

Cable & Deadpool and Irredeemable Ant-Man were funny?

situational funny. it goes over the heads of most people.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I agree like you wouldn't believe...

[XPac]

It is kind of unfortunate that several of the books on the lighter side ended or changed.

Dan Slott's She-Hulk was awesome... the current book is solid, but just not as fun.

Cable and Deadpool were fun as well, though I think the new Deadpool book will fill that void.

Course as others have mentioned, there's always Marvel Adventures.

[DeadXMan]

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[Beast]

situational funny. it goes over the heads of most people.
No, no it doesn't. But different strokes for different folks.

[rajincajun689]

No, no it doesn't. But different strokes for different folks.

I guess some people have a sense of humor and some don't?

[Joe Acro]

There's still Mini Marvels.

Not that that appears with any sense of regularity.

[Nyssane]

situational funny. it goes over the heads of most people.

*standing ovation*

[Monty_Cristo]

*standing ovation*

lol! Nyssane with the save! :biggrin:

any Serpent Society sightings, lately?

[Nyssane]

lol! Nyssane with the save! :biggrin:

any Serpent Society sightings, lately?

No. :frown: I'm going through Anaconda withdrawls.

[Guest_1001]

I guess some people have a sense of humor and some don't?

So someone finds something funny and someone else doesn't . . . which means the person who doesn't find it funny automatically finds NOTHING funny?

[Deus ex Chris]

We need more NextWave. That's how you do funny superheroes.

[Monty_Cristo]

So someone finds something funny and someone else doesn't . . . which means the person who doesn't find it funny automatically finds NOTHING funny?

no, not "nothing." i'm basically talking about fart joke-level.

[Comet Man]

If you want funny comics, go read funny comics. That's not what Marvel is about. You can still have lighthearted comics without them being irreverant humor. Nextwave sucks. I checked it out after all the hoopla I heard on this board, and I threw it in the trashcan after the first issue. Full of characters who are totally unrecognizable and pathetic. I wouldn't have minded it if it was supposed to be an alternate universe. Just a voice piece for Ellis who hates superheroes in the first place. Superhero comics are supposed to be fun, not funny. Big difference.

[StoneGold]

If you want funny comics, go read funny comics. That's not what Marvel is about. You can still have lighthearted comics without them being irreverant humor. Nextwave sucks. I checked it out after all the hoopla I heard on this board, and I threw it in the trashcan after the first issue. Full of characters who are totally unrecognizable and pathetic. I wouldn't have minded it if it was supposed to be an alternate universe. Just a voice piece for Ellis who hates superheroes in the first place. Superhero comics are supposed to be fun, not funny. Big difference.

No, that's Ennis who hates superheroes, not Ellis. Hell, Ellis is doing indie superhero books, even.


That said, if you "threw it in the trashcan after the first issue," you either have no sense of humor, or you're a drama queen. Possibly both.

[Comet Man]

No, that's Ennis who hates superheroes, not Ellis. Hell, Ellis is doing indie superhero books, even.


That said, if you "threw it in the trashcan after the first issue," you either have no sense of humor, or you're a drama queen. Possibly both.

Aw hell, I definitely have a sense of humor, but I'm not looking for it in Marvel comic books. At least not in the superhero genre. But thanks for the free psycho-analysis.:biggrin:

[Nyssane]

Aw hell, I definitely have a sense of humor, but I'm not looking for it in Marvel comic books. At least not in the superhero genre. But thanks for the free psycho-analysis.:biggrin:

Yes, because people running around in spandex is totes serious.

[Comet Man]

Yes, because people running around in spandex is totes serious.

Yes it is, but it's your job to realize it's just COMIC BOOKS. Like I said, I wouldn't have minded Nextwave being alternate universe stuff, like it was supposed to be in the first place, but it wasn't, and therefore it wasn't funny at all, but irritating to me.. I just didn't recognize any of the characters. Hey, if you liked it, more power to you. I hated it. Can you live with that? Sorry for expressing my unpopular opinion.

[Trey]

Some of the best parts of Cable and Deadpool? The serious parts. Go reread it if you don't believe me, natch!

Hiding behind the Merc's mouth, were some kickass superhero comics.
Without both, C and D would not have been so good.
ANd yes I take my comics very seriously.

[AdamYJ]

Superhero comics are supposed to be fun, not funny. Big difference.

They can be both. Heck, they can be equal parts serious and funny, changing tone frequently. Superhero comics are one of the few openly amalgous genres out there, so I don't think it's a good idea to say what they should and should not be.

[Comet Man]

Some of the best parts of Cable and Deadpool? The serious parts. Go reread it if you don't believe me, natch!

Hiding behind the Merc's mouth, were some kickass superhero comics.
Without both, C and D would not have been so good.
ANd yes I take my comics very seriously.

That's fine. I have no problem with comic relief, and characters who stay in character. I have no problem with Irredeemable Ant Man, even though he's a pathetic excuse for a hero, but that' him, and that's who he's always been. Nextwave, on the other hand, totally twisted and changed characters who have been a certain way for a long time. I just don't buy them being part of mainstream Marvel continuity.

[Deus ex Chris]

NextWave violated continuity.

Its high quality is therefore INVALID.

ZOMG!

[DeadXMan]

NextWave violated continuity.

Its high quality is therefore INVALID.

ZOMG!

Nextwave is the only thing in continuity. Everything else is just lies or Skrulls.
Ellis

[Liberty Belle Fan]

Some of the best parts of Cable and Deadpool? The serious parts. Go reread it if you don't believe me, natch!

Hiding behind the Merc's mouth, were some kickass superhero comics.
Without both, C and D would not have been so good.
ANd yes I take my comics very seriously.

Quoted for Truth! Even though C&D was funny, it also had a great contrast between the two characters. Cable was more epic in this title than I've seen him in the book he has now. In C&D he pushes his powers to the point where you really believe he could spin the planet in the opposite direction vs. hiding from Lucas Bishop in a comic that looks like Shrinky-Dinks on a page.

[Jody Garland]

That's fine. I have no problem with comic relief, and characters who stay in character. I have no problem with Irredeemable Ant Man, even though he's a pathetic excuse for a hero, but that' him, and that's who he's always been. Nextwave, on the other hand, totally twisted and changed characters who have been a certain way for a long time. I just don't buy them being part of mainstream Marvel continuity.

Marvel, in the Civil War Battle Damage Report IIRC, explained away continuity issues by saying Nextwave had their minds messed up by the Beyond Corporation. So yeah, it's in continuity.

[Jmacq1]

Marvel, in the Civil War Battle Damage Report IIRC, explained away continuity issues by saying Nextwave had their minds messed up by the Beyond Corporation. So yeah, it's in continuity.

Unless of course the "mind mucking" was implanting false memories of their zany adventures that never really happened.

[Guest_1001]

no, not "nothing." i'm basically talking about fart joke-level.

Yeah, because Irredeemable Ant-Man was SO witty.

I quite enjoyed Cable and Deadpool but if I never read another word of Eric O'Grady's lousy dialogue that only teenagers could find funny -- or his book that moved less than a snail in a traffic jam -- I'll be ecstatic.

[moochavelli]

I only read the WWH tie in issue of ant-man.... but i laughed my ass off when his buddy Black Fox? (some older guy) came in through his window and stole his Wii. THAT was funny! :)

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Those books dont last long.

Like she hulk was funny and so was the thing but they had forgettable stories that were on the whole uninteresting to me. I enjoyed them but they seemed to just be their own little thing and when I was done reading a story I put it up and have no desire to read it again.

[Monty_Cristo]

Yeah, because Irredeemable Ant-Man was SO witty.

I quite enjoyed Cable and Deadpool but if I never read another word of Eric O'Grady's lousy dialogue that only teenagers could find funny -- or his book that moved less than a snail in a traffic jam -- I'll be ecstatic.

you heard him folks. he doesn't think much of teenagers.

[Comet Man]

you heard him folks. he doesn't think much of teenagers.

How can you when most of them wear pants that don't fit.

[DeadXMan]

you heard him folks. he doesn't think much of teenagers.


Good

Little punks don't know how good they got it.

there was no blu ray 1080i High def video games
No we had 8 bit and were hard as hell to beat and that's the way we liked it. :mad:

our comics were printed on news stock
No this high gloss, chemicaly treated toilit paper nowsaday and cost less then a buck dangnabit.

[mikekerr3]

Good

Little punks don't know how good they got it.

there was no blu ray 1080i High def video games
No we had 8 bit and were hard as hell to beat and that's the way we liked it. :mad:

our comics were printed on news stock
No this high gloss, chemicaly treated toilit paper nowsaday and cost less then a buck dangnabit.

Your references make you a kid to some of us, nets were for catching fish, computers were as big as a house and nets were for catching fish, you could buy 8 comics for a dollar and get change back

[Mark_S]

It's hard to write fun books when your universe is a bleak morally bankrupt hell. Let's face it treachery and government servitude just do not lend themselves well to humor. And the aftereffects if they are not to be ignored make it even harder. How could you have a funny She-Hulk book after what Tony did to her? How can you have a humerous Initiative book when recruits die or get mutilated? It's just not easy to do.

I believe that the current darkness will last because JQ and the rest of the group at marvel enjoy writing dark stories with amoral characters in savage ends justify the means situations. Once they leave things might lighten up a bit. Until then we can get wry or ironic humor, but no more than that. Marvel will never have a title like Booster Gold with the current leadership. And while some might think that is great I do not. I like Booster Gold.

Mark_S

[Guest_1001]

you heard him folks. he doesn't think much of teenagers.

Yep, and I haven't since I turned 20 last month.

[Jake V]

It's hard to write fun books when your universe is a bleak morally bankrupt hell. Let's face it treachery and government servitude just do not lend themselves well to humor. And the aftereffects if they are not to be ignored make it even harder. How could you have a funny She-Hulk book after what Tony did to her? How can you have a humerous Initiative book when recruits die or get mutilated? It's just not easy to do.

I believe that the current darkness will last because JQ and the rest of the group at marvel enjoy writing dark stories with amoral characters in savage ends justify the means situations. Once they leave things might lighten up a bit. Until then we can get wry or ironic humor, but no more than that. Marvel will never have a title like Booster Gold with the current leadership. And while some might think that is great I do not. I like Booster Gold.

Mark_SThe "darkness" will only last because they like making books like that?

Maybe they like it so much because the "dark" books tend to be the most successful.

If lighter books like Ant-man and C&D had more readers, they would make more books like them.

[Mark_S]

The "darkness" will only last because they like making books like that?

Maybe they like it so much because the "dark" books tend to be the most successful.

If lighter books like Ant-man and C&D had more readers, they would make more books like them.

True. I think it is a combination of the two. I don't think they'd be reveling in so much in the darkness if they didn't enjoy casting characters as having virtually no moral limits and I don't think they could keep doing it if sales weren't high. When sales of the dark stuff start to fade for one reason or another I wonder if they'll be able to adjust and write other types of stories.

Mark_S

[Jake V]

True. I think it is a combination of the two. I don't think they'd be reveling in so much in the darkness if they didn't enjoy casting characters as having virtually no moral limits and I don't think they could keep doing it if sales weren't high. When sales of the dark stuff start to fade for one reason or another I wonder if they'll be able to adjust and write other types of stories.

Mark_S

Which means that they like stuff that sells more than they like dark stories.

[Mark_S]

Which means that they like stuff that sells more than they like dark stories.

I guess. How many comedic themed stories has Bendis written?

Mark_S

[Expletive Deleted]

I guess. How many comedic themed stories has Bendis written?His FORTUNE AND GLORY was hilarious. And there've been a bunch of light and fun ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN storylines.

It's just not a tool he uses all that frequently.

[Jake V]

I guess. How many comedic themed stories has Bendis written?

Mark_S

Over a hundred issues of Ultimate Spider-Man.