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Monty_Cristo

11-25-2007, 02:09 PM

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to read issue #6 as of yet.:(

However, I don't foresee anything that'll make me like Ricochet any less. I don't like him as much as I did before Loners, but still moreso than everyone else on the team.

save your money, dude. Ricochet did nothing in this issue. he didn't even react to Mattie dissing his sexual prowess.

The Green Goblin series was pretty good for what it was. This mini did Phil's character a disservice by pulling the ole goblin madness bs.

i wonder how well the Green Goblin series would have done if it had been put out in 2005 and had better art. the concept itself (semi-heroic Goblin) is interesting enough. his power set wasn't bad. Phil wasn't much of a hero, though. i wish he had just become more confident; as opposed to crazy. i want my hero-Goblin to be jovial.

Arilou

11-25-2007, 02:17 PM

Mattie Franklin of course! Cool powers, nifty characterization, oh, and she's adopted by the Jamesons.

What's not to like?

Joe Acro

11-25-2007, 02:27 PM

save your money, dude. Ricochet did nothing in this issue. he didn't even react to Mattie dissing his sexual prowess.
That assumes I was reading it just for Ricochet.

I've found the story pretty interesting and it'd be a shame to cut off right at the final part.

PaxHouse

11-25-2007, 02:36 PM

Here're my favorites in the following order......

1.) Julie Power/Lightspeed

2.) Chris Powell/Darkhawk

3.) Mickey Musashi/Turbo

4.) Hollow {Penance}

5.) Johnny Gallo/Ricochet

6.) "Namie"/Red Ronin

7.) Phil Urich/Green Goblin

8.) Mattie Franklin/Spider-Woman[III]

jawbreaker

11-25-2007, 05:41 PM

Fake-Chamber

:o

Taskmaster

11-25-2007, 06:34 PM

Ricochet was and still is my favorite member of the team, but Darkhawk has been growing on me due to this and his appearance in the Legion of Losers. This series actually made me like Turbo less though, she is a hypocrite and a b1tch. See below for my list

1. Ricochet
2. Darkhawk
3. Lightspeed (Julie Power)
4. Hollow - not much to like, but then again, not much to dislike
5. Phil Urich - he might have snapped, but at least I felt bad for the guy, I don't agree with what he did, but then again what do you expect from a Goblin
6. Red Ronin - how am I supposed to decide if I like her or not
7. Turbo
8. Spider-Woman - just wonder where she was heading

mastaflan

11-25-2007, 07:09 PM

The Green Goblin series was pretty good for what it was. This mini did Phil's character a disservice by pulling the ole goblin madness bs.

Totally agree with this post.

Starleafgirl

11-26-2007, 01:06 PM

How can a character that appeared in one issue with zip characterization be anyones favorite? Yeah I'm talking about Namie.

Two issues. And her single defining character point is being upset over not knowing who she is. Now that she knows, there's absolutely no individual characterization. I mean, who wouldn't be a bit put off by the fact that he/she found out that he/she was actually an android?

Phil's no longer one of the Loners but he's my favorite; followed by Ricochet and Darkhawk. of course, i liked all 3 characters better before the mini. they've been kind of whiney as Loners.

All part of getting older and realizing you aren't everything you thought you'd be, I suppose.

I voted on this poll pretty darn quickly, speed-voting for Hollow, but if I'd stopped to read all the other choices, I would have picked Phil Urich as well. ;)

Before I read the second issue of the series, I would have told you I don't particularly care about any of these characters and Hollow (Penance) is the best, though Phil's a little interesting. But now that I've read all the issues, and #6 really put Chris higher for me, I can say that I like most of 'em in their own way. It's funny though... Mattie was the one I liked the least in issue #1 and she's still last on my list. Nothing redeeming for her in this mini, to me.

1.) Hollow {Penance} - gee, only my #1 Marvel comics character EVER. Also, the entire reason why I bought this mini. I could write pages on why I like her as a character and the travesty that was Hama's re-written "origin" but I won't.

2.) Phil Urich/Green Goblin - despite the total character assassination in issue #6, which at least was written in a very "green goblin madness" way, he's still my #2 favorite out of all of these characters because he's more interesting and has more potential. I hope he can beat the madness... sigh!

3.) Johnny Gallo/Ricochet - ah, the loveable loser who seemed to rise above his tragic past and previously shallow ways and try to be a real hero. He didn't do much in issue #6, but I don't think he's a loser for wishfully thinking Mattie and Phil to return. I'm sure he thinks he and Mattie have a lot to discuss and it's not just about getting a hot piece of @ss.

4.) Julie Power/Lightspeed - Before issue #6, she'd be #3 on my list, but the way she suddenly and vindictively turned on Johnny for sleeping with Mattie (out of jealousy, perhaps?) despite having shown no signs of being attracted to him "in that way" before is a huge turn off. I liked the friendly relationship between Ricochet and Lightspeed, but that's gone now (Spoiler: though appears to make a return in Marvel Holiday Special... either that, or they're a couple now!).

5.) Chris Powell/Darkhawk - Before issue #6, he would have been #6 on my list. But now that I know his father was a cop and he has a troubled past, he's more interesting to me.

6.) Mickey Musashi/Turbo - Poor Mickey. I feel like she was handled badly in the miniseries--mostly as Chris's whiny girlfriend or the damsel in distress--but that, even in the miniseries, you could see a glimmer of potential for a strong, independent character. She certainly knows more about battle tactics than anyone else on the team, as evidenced in the Nekra-Church fight.

7.) "Namie"/Red Ronin - Not much to know about this character yet, but I'll admit there's potential for the future in a killer machine that looks like an Asian chick.

8.) Mattie Franklin/Spider-Woman[III] - a hothead with absolutely no sense of propriety (yelling to everyone about sleeping with Johnny...? Really, C.B., if you wanted everyone to find out but couldn't think of a GOOD way to do it, don't do it at all...). Not to mention she was lying pretty much throughout the entire miniseries.

drwho

11-26-2007, 02:21 PM

Monty_Cristo

11-26-2007, 02:27 PM

Mattie Franklin of course! Cool powers, nifty characterization, oh, and she's adopted by the Jamesons.

What's not to like?

her lack of a codename?

Starleafgirl

11-26-2007, 02:51 PM

Also is it just me or did they forget the whole Darkhawk madness thing. gawd I cant even remember his name. lol Anyway was it him utilizing the darkhawk amulet that made him go mad and that is why he didn't want to use the amulet or was it all in his head?

It was hinted that Chris a.k.a. Darkhawk also might suffer psychological repercussions down the line from using the Darkhawk amulet in issue #6 of The Loners, but I don't think it was ever said before Loners #6. Julie said "Did Chris finally lose it?" indicating probably that he's talked about this fear of his with the group before (or little incidents, like when Mattie said Darkhawk was unstable in issue #1, here and there led the others to speculate about it behind his back).

BeastieRunner

11-26-2007, 03:28 PM

Darkhawk!:cool:

Monty_Cristo

11-26-2007, 03:52 PM

It was hinted that Chris a.k.a. Darkhawk also might suffer psychological repercussions down the line from using the Darkhawk amulet in issue #6 of The Loners, but I don't think it was ever said before Loners #6. Julie said "Did Chris finally lose it?" indicating probably that he's talked about this fear of his with the group before (or little incidents, like when Mattie said Darkhawk was unstable in issue #1, here and there led the others to speculate about it behind his back).

well he did go ape$#!^ when they went after the Runaways. he seemed way more out of control than Phil has been (attacking Turbo, for instance).

Starleafgirl

11-26-2007, 06:48 PM

well he did go ape$#!^ when they went after the Runaways. he seemed way more out of control than Phil has been (attacking Turbo, for instance).

Ahh, okay, thanks. :D He attacked Turbo in the original Runaways/Excelsior arc? Like with most things in the Marvel Universe, I only pay attention if Penance/Hollow is involved. :rolleyes:

MIMIC616

11-27-2007, 07:43 AM

I enjoy the Hollow. Now if only Hollow will stop herself from that madman crazy streak she hooks up with.

1.) Hollow {Penance} - my #2 Marvel comics character EVER. I've written mini-series/series pitches too many times.

2.) Phil Urich/Green Goblin - Got to love the underdog that goes crazy.

3.) Johnny Gallo/Ricochet - I need a Slingers reunion. CB made the Hornet's death add more depth to Ricochet that seemed hollow before.

4.) Julie Power/Lightspeed

5.) Mattie Franklin/Spider-Woman[III] - Her character finally stepped up and was no longer that immature-girl from her previous series. Thanks, Bendis and CB.

6.) Mickey Musashi/Turbo - Now what deal did she cut, that would have the rest of the group meet up with you the following week?

7.) "Namie"/Red Ronin - Not much to know about this character yet, but there's potential.

8.) Chris Powell/Darkhawk - I've got no bad feelings about Darkhawk, but I don't know anything about him.

frogjitsu

11-27-2007, 08:15 AM

I picked up the series, for Lightspeed and Darkhawk, and I'd have to say they they were my favorites for the series. It was great to see Spider-Woman III again. She seems so much older and jaded than when I last saw her when she was a newbie hero.

Jack Flash

11-27-2007, 09:10 AM

1.) Hollow {Penance}
2.) Johnny Gallo/Ricochet
3.) Julie Power/Lightspeed
4.) Phil Urich/Green Goblin
5.) Mattie Franklin/Spider-Woman[III]
6.) Mickey Musashi/Turbo
7.) Chris Powell/Darkhawk
8.) "Namie"/Red Ronin

Faded

11-27-2007, 10:52 AM

My list!
1. Hollow (I take it back, I still like her the most ;D)
2. Phil Urich
3. Ricochet
4. Lightspeed
5. Mattie Franklin (this issue's random rant brought her down a notch or two)

And I didn't vote for:
6. Darkhawk
7. Turbo
8. Namie

PaxHouse

02-25-2008, 06:00 PM

As most of those that already read their Mini.....Issue #1-#6 of THE LONERS has been released {last week} in their TPB form, in which is entitled.....

THE LONERS: THE SECRET LIVES OF SUPER-HEROES

And so.....here're the following questions that're being asked.....

1.) Did you enjoyed this better than just the separate issues alone...?

2.) Did you enjoyed the Extras added within the TPB...?

3.) Did you felt that the TPB would encourage Marvel to have another LONERS Mini...?

mgs

02-26-2008, 12:17 PM

2.) Did you enjoyed the Extras added within the TPB...?

I got the single issues of this, and I checked out the TPB, but the extras didn't seem all that extensive enough for me to pick it up.

Pach!

02-26-2008, 12:24 PM

What were the extras?

I got it in singles, so Marvel punishes me by not giving me extras =(.

JK.

But seriously what were they?

mgs

02-26-2008, 12:27 PM

from what I remember, there were just some design pictures of the characters with commentary.

drwho

02-26-2008, 12:36 PM

If they were smart they would have done a completed ending so that anyone that bought the mini would want to read it. :p

Starleafgirl

03-04-2008, 08:51 PM

In response to PH:

1) I didn't read it yet, but I'd bet the earlier parts are more satisfying when you don't have to wait a month or more for them and the ending parts suck less when you don't have two months or more to imagine how great it's going to be. :cool:

2) I glanced through it for the "extras" -- I was hoping they'd include the Secret Santa story, especially with the months' delay to February, but I guess it was just delayed because the last parts were delayed. I dunno. Anyway, I didn't see commentary but I'll look forward to reading it if it's there. I really, really like how they managed to fit a concept art sketch of "Penance" in there. :) ("Penance" as in Generation X's Penance and The Loners' Hollow). Pretty dang cool, possibly cooler than the P..."Hollow" that made it into The Loners comic itself, hehe.

3) I'm hoping that having a TPB is a sign that Marvel is continuing to back the team.

to drwho: I am still miffed about the delays caused by making the ending LESS complete. There better dang well be the sequel C.B. (and me! and lots of other fans) would very much like... there better be that sequel C.B. is so convinced he can get from Marvel, because ordinary fans like you and me would have prefered a more complete, self-contained mini in case this is the last Loners' book for a while.

LungerTony

03-04-2008, 10:52 PM

I bought this in single issues.
The ending sucked so bad it left a permanent stain on the team and writer to me.

drwho

03-04-2008, 11:14 PM

I bought this in single issues.
The ending sucked so bad it left a permanent stain on the team and writer to me.

I agree this is one mini sequel if it ever comes out I will not be getting.

CMBMOOL

03-05-2008, 09:55 AM

Did that series already came out on TPB....:eek:

Man, I have to get it. :(

LungerTony

03-05-2008, 04:54 PM

I do NOT recommend.

And I do not consider myself one of those picky comic readers.

IronKing

03-05-2008, 07:08 PM

I liked the series, but yea...I don't even remember the ending. Was it that bad? lol

Must have been. Jeez

Expletive Deleted

03-05-2008, 07:46 PM

I liked the series, but yea...I don't even remember the ending. Was it that bad? lol

Must have been. JeezYeah, it was pretty underwhelming. It didn't end, so much as it . . . stopped.

Starleafgirl

03-05-2008, 09:52 PM

Yeah, it was pretty underwhelming. It didn't end, so much as it . . . stopped.

LOL! That's a good way to put it. ;)

... Please buy The Loners or anything with Hollow in it though, please, haha. :rolleyes:

Even with its ending, I can still reccomend The Loners as a concept. We get to check in with lesser-known characters after their hayday of being teenage superheroes. Certain things were handled very well within the series, like Ricochet dealing with Hornet's death.

La Fea

03-05-2008, 11:10 PM

LungerTony

03-05-2008, 11:24 PM

I think it was a great series.

The ending was...unfortunate, but it doesn't somehow erase the other 5/6 of the series that was excellent for me. Great character moments, mystery, and fun, I'd reccomend it.

The first 3 issues were good. 4 and 5 started to lose me.

The problem is that there were so many sub-plots that never were resolved. Events that occurred in the 1-2-3 issues never were resolved and ended up making no sense.
Then you had the 6th issue which had another sub-plot which made absolutely no sense either.
So you don't end up with one inconclusive ending...you end up with multiple inconclusive endings.

Loners was the worst mini I have read since I've come back to comics because of the mentioned above.

IronKing

03-06-2008, 05:07 PM

If I can't even remember the ending, it must have been bad! Wikipedia, here I come.

drwho

03-06-2008, 07:55 PM

If I can't even remember the ending, it must have been bad! Wikipedia, here I come.

The ending hasn't been written yet. Just give it a few years and I'm sure we will get one. ;)

IronKing

03-06-2008, 08:18 PM

Maybe after that they can finish the Emperor Vulcan series!

mgs

03-06-2008, 10:53 PM

bad as the ending was, it was not enough to totally ruin the fun that was to be had in all the previous issues. I'd still suggest their reading to any newcomer.

drwho

03-07-2008, 04:46 AM

bad as the ending was, it was not enough to totally ruin the fun that was to be had in all the previous issues. I'd still suggest their reading to any newcomer.

Also the trade is cheaper than the individual issues so you wont feel as ripped off when you get to the ending.

Kage Kisaragi

04-09-2008, 11:35 PM

I got their trade recently and despite a few story plots I thought it was worthy of continuation. What happen to the characters after the 1 trade they did?

Plots I didn't like.

1.) Mickey and Chris hooking up. (Blah, especially since when I was first introduced to them in Runaways they were nearly at each others throats.) Also is it just me or did Mickey's chest size jump up 2 sizes?

2.) Julie almost revealing she has female on female fantasies to Johnny, and Mickey almost hinting at it too.

3.) Playing undercover spy, Leave that crap to Jessica Drew. (I still have hope for Mattie but it seems like they aged her kind of fast, I mean when she first appeared she looked like she was maybe 15, now it looks like shes 20.

The Black Guardian

04-10-2008, 12:12 AM

Considering only the first issue sold above 20k, with the rest averaging about 15k, I'm thinking we might not see more Loners. However, a couple issues did get a second printing, so you never know.

1. I rather liked that. I've dated quite a few women that before we dated inspired outrage. One of them is now my wife. As for Mickey's chest size... she was very well endowed when she first appeared.

2. Yeah...

3. She's probably about 18 now... would be my guess, since it's been 10 years since her first appearance, and I think she looked it, too. Don't really care about the spy stuff.

Blight

04-10-2008, 12:27 AM

Oh I don't know they do have a fanbase though. Speaking of which.. I'm surprised the biggest Loners' fan hasn't seen this thread yet. She's losing her touch.

The Sword Is Drawn

04-10-2008, 03:23 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't Julie's leanings been implied in the past?

drwho

04-10-2008, 04:23 AM

What I dont get is how can Julie be 15 when Franklin in FF was turned into a 12 year old, or younger kid. This series pissed me off so I wont buy another one. That would mean Franklin was like 7 years old or younger when he was in power pack.

Jimmy Holograph

04-10-2008, 04:58 AM

Deathstroke

04-10-2008, 06:30 AM

I was very disappointed in the series, it all boiled down to a bunch of whining. I can got to message boards on the Internet for that.

gorthon616

04-10-2008, 07:09 AM

I was very disappointed in the series, it all boiled down to a bunch of whining. I can got to message boards on the Internet for that.

Same here. It had a few novel touches, and I wouldn't say I'm not interesting in seeing the characters/themes develop, but the series as itself was disappointing.

HeckBoy

04-10-2008, 07:54 AM

Same here. It had a few novel touches, and I wouldn't say I'm not interesting in seeing the characters/themes develop, but the series as itself was disappointing.Yeah. It started off well enough, but then it kinda fizzled into a disjointed series of events. I don't know, it just didn't really gel anymore after the first 2-3 issues, and IIRC it was due to some editorially-mandated rewrites (which subsequently caused the delays that didn't exactly help the series keep its momentum).

Expletive Deleted

04-10-2008, 07:56 AM

I liked the premise, but it ended up not going anywhere particularly interesting.

Kage Kisaragi

04-10-2008, 08:37 AM

preppistonpav

04-10-2008, 10:18 AM

I spoke to C.B. Cebulski at the Supanova Con here in Melbourne two weeks ago, and after signing my issue he told me that he has something planned for The Loners coming in the second half of the year. He also said that The Slingers were going to have a major role in the story AND something Hornet related was possibly coming out of Secret Invasion...

It should also be noted C.B had the series mapped out for (I think) up to three additional arcs after the mini (if it continued).

Wait, really?! Really?! First off, let me say that I do agree that the second half of the mini was not up to par with the first half. But honestly, unless C.B. turned out the worst comic ever, I'm going to be reading about Ricochet and Phil no matter what - even if I don't agree with the choices being made regarding Phil.

But the important thing is that EDDIE WAS A SKRULL!!!! Please please please let Eddie be a skrull. Why the Skrulls would want to take the place of a d-list superhero is beyond me, but I do not care. Bring him back while the opportunity presents itself, CB!

-Pav, who can't wait to see more Loners this year...

Kage Kisaragi

04-10-2008, 10:25 AM

Wait, really?! Really?! First off, let me say that I do agree that the second half of the mini was not up to par with the first half. But honestly, unless C.B. turned out the worst comic ever, I'm going to be reading about Ricochet and Phil no matter what - even if I don't agree with the choices being made regarding Phil.

But the important thing is that EDDIE WAS A SKRULL!!!! Please please please let Eddie be a skrull. Why the Skrulls would want to take the place of a d-list superhero is beyond me, but I do not care. Bring him back while the opportunity presents itself, CB!

-Pav, who can't wait to see more Loners this year...

... who was Eddie again? Still, I found myself cheering for Ricochet also. For some reason, I just wanted him to be that guy who all men can identify with. That good guy who just doesn't seem to get a break and for the most part he was. That was cool, however I didn't appreciate Mattie constantly screwing with him, In fact I wanted it to go the opposite way, I wanted those to hook up but not like how they did in the mini. Not with the pretensions to it being she was spying on him and needed a quick diversion from the fact that she was snooping. Argh!

Pixie_Solanas

04-10-2008, 10:35 AM

What's with all the youngster groups (Runaways, Loners) having some sort of tawdry girl-on-girl action? SHAMELESS! And nary a butch in sight? Complete b.s.

Let's see some men on men hookups!

Tobias Drake

04-10-2008, 11:22 AM

I wasn't particularly impressed. Really, the only one among them I actually cared for was Julie Power, and that's just because it was amusing seeing one of the Power Pack kids all grow'ed up.

Also,

What's with all the youngster groups (Runaways, Loners) having some sort of tawdry girl-on-girl action? SHAMELESS! And nary a butch in sight? Complete b.s.

Let's see some men on men hookups!

Young Avengers. New X-Men also had one of the background boys come out as gay. I think it was Wolf Cub, wasn't it?

ddqfpluskick

04-10-2008, 11:24 AM

I liked it cause it was more real than other stuff

I mean let's face it more young superheroes get sidelined all the time especially in Marvel. I mean after the teenage fighting years are over what is next. What Loners tried to address is an actual thing in comics. Granted there were too many story lines and focusing on the one idea might have been better.

PaxHouse

04-10-2008, 12:41 PM

I wasn't particularly impressed. Really, the only one among them I actually cared for was Julie Power, and that's just because it was amusing seeing one of the Power Pack kids all grown up.

Young Avengers. New X-Men also had one of the background boys come out as gay. I think it was Wolf Cub, wasn't it?

.....Too true, although her brother Alex was {more or less} "on his own" during his time with the New Warriors {and yes, we're still waiting for when Zero-G might been seen within the AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE series; due to what's currently happenning involving the former NWs within the KILLED IN ACTION Storyarc}......

Nope.....it was Anole that was hinted to be gay, since he was in awe with Northstar {during the time when the former AF was a part of the Faculty of the Xavier Institude; prior to the event that happenned within "Enemy of the State" storyarc in the current WOLVERINE series}.......

PaxHouse

04-10-2008, 12:46 PM

I spoke to C.B. Cebulski at the Supanova Con here in Melbourne two weeks ago, and after signing my issue he told me that he has something planned for The Loners coming in the second half of the year. He also said that The Slingers were going to have a major role in the story AND something Hornet related was possibly coming out of Secret Invasion...

It should also be noted C.B had the series mapped out for (I think) up to three additional arcs after the mini (if it continued).

Besides that he really is an amazing guy, nicest person you'll ever meet and he really enjoys meeting Loners fans. He was also scouting for artists so we might see some Australian artists starting to get Marvel work.

We should really get Marvel to let C.B write more Loners. Petition!

.....Glad to hear the latest; although personally I was expect this type of news over @ his blogpage (http://chesterfest.blogspot.com).....

....Still, looking forward to what next in store for the Loners....:cool: :biggrin:

Tobias Drake

04-10-2008, 01:24 PM

.....Too true, although her brother Alex was {more or less} "on his own" during his time with the New Warriors {and yes, we're still waiting for when Zero-G might been seen within the AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE series; due to what's currently happenning involving the former NWs within the KILLED IN ACTION Storyarc}......

Nope.....it was Anole that was hinted to be gay, since he was in awe with Northstar {during the time when the former AF was a part of the Faculty of the Xavier Institude; prior to the event that happenned within "Enemy of the State" storyarc in the current WOLVERINE series}.......

Ahh, that's right, it was Anole. Thanks for clarifying that.

StoneGold

04-10-2008, 02:53 PM

Loners was one of those books where the last issue really killed it. Everything was leading up to the reveal in the last issue, and the last issue was so bad!

As for the Julie thing, John Byrne described the phenomenon best way back when he was doing She-Hulk. Characters only age when they aren't in a regular book. Julie hasn't been in one in ages, so she stays the same age. Franklin has, so he stays younger.

PaxHouse

04-10-2008, 06:38 PM

As for the Julie thing, John Byrne described the phenomenon best way back when he was doing She-Hulk. Characters only age when they aren't in a regular book. Julie hasn't been in one in ages, so she stays the same age. Franklin has, so he stays younger.

I believe that you're confusing the Julie Power who's appearing within the All Ages POWER PACK Miniseries {and FYI they're Non-Canon aka "Marvel Adventures"} with her very first appearance from the original PP series {in 1984}, in which is the same Julie that last appeared within THE LONERS [since the Mini has also established that Julie's age is 17 (Issue #4)].......

Tobias Drake

04-10-2008, 06:51 PM

I believe that you're confusing the Julie Power who's appearing within the All Ages POWER PACK Miniseries {and FYI they're Non-Canon aka "Marvel Adventures"} with her very first appearance from the original PP series {in 1984}, in which is the same Julie that last appeared within THE LONERS [since the Mini has also established that Julie's age is 17 (Issue #4)].......

Are you sure they're non-canon? I know one of them started with a disclaimer that it took place a few years before Civil War, suggesting it happened in 616.

PaxHouse

04-10-2008, 06:56 PM

Are you sure they're non-canon? I know one of them started with a disclaimer that it took place a few years before Civil War, suggesting it happened in 616.

Yes, the current All Ages PP Miniseries, in which began in 2005 shouldn't be confused with the 2000 POWER PACK Miniseries; where the Power siblings were depicted as being 16 (Alex), 14(Julie), 12(Jack) and 9(Katie)......

preppistonpav

04-10-2008, 07:50 PM

... who was Eddie again?

Eddie was the Hornet, one of Johnny's former teammates in Slingers (along with Dusk and Prodigy), and is basically the reason why Johnny joined Excelsior to quit being a hero in the first place. The problem is that

1) At the end of the Slinger series, the kids (except Dusk) give up their uniforms to Mephisto. This means that Prodigy and Hornet are left completely powerless.

2) You could ostensibly and reasonably say that Prodigy found a way to duplicate his powers (which, because Joe Harris never got a chance to actually pin down what they entailed) - the only thing we KNOW he had was super-strength. However

3) Eddie had a palsied arm! Even if he could find a way to remake his arm, it was Mephisto's magic that allowed him to use his arm in the suit.

I really hope that C.B. uses the skrulls as an opportunity to bring Eddie back to the land of the living. It would make perfect sense, and it would make this Slingers fan a happy camper.

-Pav, who (you may have guessed) loved Slingers...

La Fea

04-10-2008, 08:21 PM

I really never got the outrage over the hints that Julie could be interesting in girls. It seemed like an interesting plot development that was never made clear.

I loved the series as a whole and I really don't think the series fell off until the very last issue. I loved the quiet character moments and the bits of adventure and action, but I definitely hope they have a more fantastic and colorful comeback.

The Black Guardian

04-10-2008, 08:22 PM

(Runaways, Loners) having some sort of tawdry girl-on-girl action?
Bah!!! Nothing tawdry in Runaways.:mad:

La Fea

04-10-2008, 08:26 PM

What's with all the youngster groups (Runaways, Loners) having some sort of tawdry girl-on-girl action? SHAMELESS! And nary a butch in sight? Complete b.s.

Let's see some men on men hookups!

LOL I agree, but there was nothing tawdry about Julie! She didn't even really get her "secret" out (if it is one).

I do think its a little lame to have another hot blonde do the whole male fulfillment thing, but I think C.B. handled it really well.

Matthew K.

04-10-2008, 08:38 PM

I found the first half of the series to be much more pleasing than the latter. I like the main characters and where it was going, but the final few issues seemed a bit meandering and sloppy.

Pixie_Solanas

04-10-2008, 09:07 PM

Bah!!! Nothing tawdry in Runaways.:mad:

No, Xavin and the other chick (forget the name) pawing at each other and making googley eyes in the most recent issue...

mgs

04-10-2008, 09:16 PM

Loners was one of those books where the last issue really killed it. Everything was leading up to the reveal in the last issue, and the last issue was so bad!
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yeah, hopefully, a new series will have better storylines.

La Fea

04-10-2008, 11:55 PM

I know that its probably not true, but sometimes Comicvine gets advanced info/pictures and right now they are listing Alpha Flight's Diamond Lil as one of the Loners.

mastaflan

04-11-2008, 12:04 AM

I have to agree with stonegold on the last issue. Kinda upset at how they did Phil Ulrich. The whole turn crazy goblin thing was just so bad.....

Sean Whitmore

04-11-2008, 12:39 AM

I disliked the premise (ever since the team was in Runaways). Frankly, I'd rather Darkhawk and Ricochet stay in limbo rather than be part of such an ill-thought-out analogy.

SEAN

PaxHouse

04-11-2008, 10:03 AM

I know that its probably not true, but sometimes Comicvine gets advanced info/pictures and right now they are listing Alpha Flight's Diamond Lil as one of the Loners.

That's kind of both true and false and this can be explained with the following two words......

Alternate, Reality.....

To make an extremely long story short; The "Loners" that Diamond Lil's a member are really known as EXCELSIOR within the Mini WEAPON X: DAYS OF FUTURE NOW {Issue #4, TBE}, in which 616's Ricochet is also a member within that particular timeline......

So anyway {and unless this will be confirm by either Marvel or CBC himself} the members of 616's Loners are still the same {minus Phil Urich, Hollow/Penance & Mattie/Spider-Woman III, of course....:frown: :mad: }......

Pyro

04-11-2008, 01:53 PM

I really liked Loners up until the last issue.

And just so everyone knows, the Loners had a small follow-up story in last year's Christmas Special. It was about the new Red Ronin trying to find her humanity while what's left of the Loners enjoyed their holiday.

Nite-Wing

07-13-2008, 02:18 PM

I thought it was a great book. I mean with all the delays that whedon's run on Runaways, I seriously think Marvel could have pushed another mini between those gaps.

StoneGold

07-13-2008, 02:46 PM

The last issue sucked like an underweight whore is what happened. Really, really bad last issue.

G. Boney

07-13-2008, 03:05 PM

Hopefully we get a second mini.

HeckBoy

07-13-2008, 04:23 PM

Hopefully we get a second mini.Yeah, despite the letdown the last issue was, I'd still be up for another go around, mainly b/c I liked the concept of the series. Plus, I want to see some grown up Power Pack cameos.

La Fea

07-13-2008, 05:00 PM

Yeah hopefully it gets the "ongoing" mini treatment that is supposed to happen for Nextwave, Agents of Atlas, and the GLA...but actually happen and happen soon.

I must know more about Hollow.

mgs

07-13-2008, 06:24 PM

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=216935&page=3&highlight=Loners

Ex_

09-12-2008, 11:34 AM

I friggin loved this miniseries. Did anyone else? Also, has anyone heard anything about a follow-up? Their stories are hardly finished!

PaxHouse

09-12-2008, 02:32 PM

I friggin loved this miniseries. Did anyone else? Also, has anyone heard anything about a follow-up? Their stories are hardly finished!

No word about any sequel regarding the Loners {yet}.... :frown:

However, CB CEBULSKI has mentioned the following info a few times {via the numerous Comic Cons this year}.....

"There aren't any plans for the Loners {Ongoing}*; but there will be plans for the Characters{/Members}"

PLUS EIC JoeQ has also stated the following regarding the Loners....

"There are no immediate plans for the Loners, but individual characters will be showing up {within the MU} soon. So keep an eye out on DARKHAWK "

.....In which lead on the latest News about Darkhawk's upcoming appearance within NOVA #17; that has already been posted here, via this link below......

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=236831

.....And other than a special Julie Power/Lightspeed ministory that will be told later this year {in which CBC also mentions before}; the look-out for seeing more of the Loners {mostly their individual appearances} will continue....

Starleafgirl

09-13-2008, 11:25 AM

Thanks for the info, PH. :)

A super-powered guest spot by Darkhawk? I wonder how he's going to explain THAT to his support group. "But... But the Darkhawk Armor suddenly pulled me into outer space! So I had to fight my way out! Really!" :tongue:

Of course, his presence in The Loners makes me wonder if this intergalactic Darkhawk isn't some sort of imposter. Or they'd explain at some point how he got there from Earth. :rolleyes:

As far as that Lightspeed ministory goes, I heard Julie Power was going to be in part of C.B.'s horror anthology? Or, at least, some sort of anthology?

And C.B. has mentioned that he thinks there will be more Loners after Secret Invasion. That's what's really filling the plate right now, leaving no room for non-connected stuff and such, methinks.

In this week's Cup O' Joe, someone named Ted asks if there will be more Loners series and Joe says "Maybe."

At least he didn't say "No." I'm just grateful that there are still people asking him about Loners. The more people remind him about it, the more he'll have to consider it coming back in some form. I hope. :biggrin:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=432453414

PaxHouse

09-14-2008, 02:56 PM

Thanks for the info, PH.

No problem, SGL......:cool:

As far as that Lightspeed ministory goes, I heard Julie Power was going to be in part of C.B.'s horror anthology? Or, at least, some sort of anthology?

The CBC's Horror Anthology that you're referring to is being done by an independent CB Company called TH3RD WORLD STUDIOS; in which the series is called CREATURE FEATURES {although I did noticed that the image there does have one of the girls seen there appearing to look like Julie Power..}

Anyway, you can read more about this @ CBC's Blog (http://chesterfest.blogspot.com/2008/06/creature-feature-new-horror-anthology.html)

But you're not to far off; as far as for seeing Julie's/Lightspeed's story within an upcoming Marvel Anthology series......:wink:

And C.B. has mentioned that he thinks there will be more Loners after Secret Invasion. That's what's really filling the plate right now, leaving no room for non-connected stuff and such, methinks.

.....Well, THE LONERS Mini did appear sometime after the conclusion of CIVIL WAR now, didn't it....?!?

In this week's Cup O' Joe, someone named Ted asks if there will be more Loners series and Joe says "Maybe."

At least he didn't say "No." I'm just grateful that there are still people asking him about Loners. The more people remind him about it, the more he'll have to consider it coming back in some form. I hope. :biggrin:

....So do the rest of the Loners Fans {myself included}.....so do we all....!!.....:cool:

Starleafgirl

09-23-2008, 12:48 AM

But you're not to far off; as far as for seeing Julie's/Lightspeed's story within an upcoming Marvel Anthology series......:wink:

Do you have the specifics on that, by any chance?

Oh, and I'm posting here to let everyone know that you can read Loners #1-4 right now on the official Marvel site if you have one of a digital comics subscription. Funny enough, it was after #4 that we all had to start waiting longer for the next issue originally, too...

I'd also like to point out that it's listed as 2007 to present. Could this mean that Marvel hasn't given up the possibilty for more Loners in the future? I hope so.

http://www.marvel.com/digitalcomics/titles/THE_LONERS.2007

Starleafgirl

10-07-2008, 03:21 PM

I still haven't seen anything new about Julie Power, but at least Marvel folks are still thinking about The Loners.

In this (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18220) article, C.B. says he's working on giving us more Loners. :biggrin: When we'll ever see anything is anyone's guess, but I'm glad to hear he's still working on it.

And in this (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17812) article, they've said that they're taking the time to figure out how Darkhawk got from California to space.

Starleafgirl

11-12-2008, 05:09 PM

I think I may've figured out what C.B. meant when he said he was working on giving us more Loners, so I thought I'd share. I was browsing back a few pages in C.B. Cebulski's Twitter because I hadn't looked at it recently, when that magic word popped up: Loners.

Loners?

Really?

I had to know the context. Here:

@TheRealCerilli Script for The Loners holiday story will be on your desk on Monday. 1:43 PM Oct 23rd from web in reply to TheRealCerilli

Had me jumping for joy for a moment there before I realized I hadn't heard anything about a Marvel Holiday Special. I was fairly certain they weren't going to do one this year. After checking the December 2008 Marvel solits, the answer is yes and no.

Yes, there will be a Marvel Holiday Special 2008.

No, you won't see it solicited in comic book stores.

Turns out, the Marvel Holiday Special is going to be an exclusive digital comic.

A godd*mn digital comic? Really? You mean, as part of the service that costs 60 dollars for a year, 10 dollars for a single month?

Sigh.

Yes, as it turns out TheRealCerilli is Marvel.com's Director of Content, John Cerilli. From his Twitter page:

We'll be sifting through ideas for the Marvel Holiday Special exclusive digital comic today! Woo hoo! 11:33 AM Oct 23rd from web

Just read two of our Exclusive Digital Comics Holiday Special back stories! This is going to be the bestest Marvel holiday special ever! 11:57 AM Oct 30th from web

Now, from some interview on Oct. 20th somewhere, John Cerilli said at that point there were already more than 20 pitches for the holiday special. I don't know if C.B.'s Loners one will make the cut, but I hope so.

I also hope to make friends with someone with a subscription to the digital service because, at 10 dollars for just one month, it'd be the most expensive issue I'd ever bought. Furthermore, I really don't think I want to make any commitments to an online comics service -- I like real comics, not digital ones.

That's too bad that they're making it exclusively digital. Couldn't they have done both? Well, I guess this is cheaper for them, and I understand them wanting to tout their new service to get more subscribers, but... you know, I might've bought the holiday special even without Loners content.

Anyway, when it comes time for this digital issue to come out, somebody let us know if Loners are in it, k? :)

You can check for it here: http://www.marvel.com/digitalcomics/calendar/

If nothing else, it's nice to know C.B. still trying to get Loners stuff approved.

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In other Loners non-news, I've been told that there will not be a Loners entry in Marvel's new Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Premiere Hardcover series. There is, however, a Darkhawk entry in Vol. 3 (and Decibel, for those interested), a Hollow entry in Vol. 5, and I'll expect the other Loners to have their individual entries as well. We'll see.

Monty_Cristo

11-12-2008, 05:32 PM

like the New Warriors, i have a feeling that the individual Loners will do better on their own.

Joe Acro

11-12-2008, 05:36 PM

In other Loners non-news, I've been told that there will not be a Loners entry in Marvel's new Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Premiere Hardcover series. There is, however, a Darkhawk entry in Vol. 3 (and Decibel, for those interested), a Hollow entry in Vol. 5, and I'll expect the other Loners to have their individual entries as well. We'll see.
I'd be curious to see if the Handbook bridges the gap between Loners and the recent Nova issues. (I know DnA and Cebulski worked all that out together somehow.) But perhaps Cebulski will handle that in the holiday special or some other upcoming project.

That special being online really, really sucks.

Monty_Cristo

11-12-2008, 06:42 PM

Phil Urich is screwed. i don't see much chance of him turning up now that Norman's back (and popular).

Starleafgirl

11-12-2008, 06:42 PM

I'd be curious to see if the Handbook bridges the gap between Loners and the recent Nova issues. (I know DnA and Cebulski worked all that out together somehow.) But perhaps Cebulski will handle that in the holiday special or some other upcoming project.

Hmm, I'm only buying Vol. 4 and Vol. 5, but if someone else has Vol. 3, maybe they can shed light on this. I have a feeling, though, that the Handbook went to press before they could work that stuff out.

But hey, like you said, they DID work it out, so that's nice to know. Nova #20, according to solits, is supposed to feature the original New Warriors. Maybe Turbo will be in it, along with Darkhawk? Maybe even Bleedball?

That special being online really, really sucks.

Thank you! I was wondering if I was the only one who thought so, lol.

ONLINE DIGITAL COMICS: http://www.marvel.com/digitalcomics/calendar/

As for The Loners doing better on their own, well... I like them together. We'll see.

I still want to know what that Anthology story with Julie Power was/is supposed to be about, lol.

And whatever the heck happened to Phil and Hollow. The Loners holiday special story should be their Christmas at Fujikawa Industries, haha. :biggrin: ...or whatever Phil celebrates. I doubt Hollow has a preference. She'll go along with whatever. :P

Starleafgirl

11-15-2008, 03:39 PM

Okay, first, real Loners news. Apparently, and thanks to PaxHouse for originally showing me, Loners will be making their return within the two-issue Darkhawk mini. You gotta think, if you're cynical like me, that this'll just be a cameo, but beggars can't be choosers, right?

Still, no matter what, it's great news for Darkhawk fans. :)

http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.5981.FIRST_LOOK%3A_Darkhawk_Swoops_into_Feb ruary

Also, Julie Power is supposed to be in an issue of Astonishing Tales; it comes exclusively to Marvel's digital comics network (like the Marvel Holiday Special for this year, which they said came out Nov. 19th although I'm still trying to find it) and then in print in February 2009, from what I understand.

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And now, while, as I understand it, there won't be a Loners entry in the new Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe hardcover series, there is some stuff in the hardcover series to explain to folks what the heck happened in the mini.

From the end of the Generation X entry (Vol. 4) :
"An apparently amnesiac Penance, now called Hollow, later turned up at a Fujikawa Labs facility, but was freed by the teen superhero recovery group the Loners, though she later left them in {order} to protect Phil Ulrich (Green Goblin)."

Yeah, I used to call him Ulrich too, before I figured out it was Urich, so the mistake is acceptable, lol.

In the Hollow entry itself (Vol. 5) :
Hollow "was preyed upon by Fuyumi Fujikawa's Mutant Growth Hormone (MGH) drug ring. {stuff about Hollow's change in powers}. Freed from her test tube at Fujikawa Labs in Los Angeles during a battle between Johnny Gallo (Ricochet) and the assassin Delilah, the frightened Hollow seriously injured Gallo's Loners teammate Julie Power (Lightspeed). Fujikawa released Hollow to the Loners' custody, where she took an immediate liking to Phil Urich (Green Goblin), kissing him. However, when Urich went mad after seeing his unrequited love Mickey Musashi (Turbo) with Chris Powell (Darkhawk), Hollow helped the other Loners take Urich down. Once he was defeated, Hollow helped Urich flee, possibly back to Fujikawa Labs."

So, there you go: a summary. Not much of an explanation of anything that happened, as that would probably be way too much detail to get into, so take it as you will. We may see Phil and Hollow working for Ms. Fuyumi Fujikawa next... if they get covered at all in the upcoming Darkhawk mini.