Theory about Mandrakk

[Samuraixsithlord]

the first Monitor probe didn't split into the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, but into the Orrery of Worlds and the Superman statue and paying attention to the artwork it does make sense.

Dax Novu, the "first" Monitor who imprisoned Mandrakk, supposed to be "The Monitor" from CoIE.

I also suspect that the spirit of Mandrakk has possessed the Monitor Solomon and has been controlling him since Infinite Crisis. The sudden recreation of the multiverse woke him up in his prison, he couldn't break free himself so he's been controlling Solomon and manipulating things from behind the scenes. He's messed with the fundemental nature of the multiverse somehow so as to allow evil to "win".

Libra has been in the realm of Limbo since the 70's. He read the book that Superman read and learned about the coming of Mandrakk and the end of the multiverse. Mandrakk/Solomon allowed him to escape and go to Earth were he summoned Darkseid in DC Universe #0

Mandrakk plans on taking advantage of the corrupting nature Darkseid's fifth world incarnation has on the fabric of reality to weaken the bonds of the multiverse which will weaken the bonds of his prison allowing his true form to emerge and lay waste to all the different worlds. He then plans on breaking the divine metal keeping the multiverse in check so his destruction can spread into the Omni-monitor.

[Dark Master]

I have a theory, it's a badly written plot device because for some reason morisson has no faith in Darkseid as the main villian.

[Samuraixsithlord]

I have a theory, it's a badly written plot device because for some reason morisson has no faith in Darkseid as the main villian.

no need to snap, its just a theory. plus from what was shown in Superman Beyond, Mandrakk looked to be just a little but more threatening then Darkseid at the moment..

Maybe Libra and Darkseid have no connection to Mandrakk who may just be taking advantage of the trouble Darkseid is causing.

[Will.S]

I have a theory, it's a badly written plot device because for some reason morisson has no faith in Darkseid as the main villian.I wouldn't say that.

I think that this is just a case of Morrison using both a main villain for the heroes with Darkseid and an overarching villain with Mandrakk who's even more behind the scenes than Darkseid.

[dotdotdot]

my theory is that what the issue seems to present is what we should go with. the probe is mentioned, then a split. to probe is to monitor, the opposite is anti. i dunno why you keep reaching to make it even more complicated when it is already complex enough.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Grant should really do a Q&A about Superman Beyond. It's confusing as hell

[Sean Walsh]

I wouldn't say that.

I think that this is just a case of Morrison using both a main villain for the heroes with Darkseid and an overarching villain with Mandrakk who's even more behind the scenes than Darkseid.

I dunno. Darkseid being played and manipulated by another behind-the-scenes villain doesn't seem very respectful to the whole "THEY'RE GODS - LET'S TREAT THEM THAT WAY!" stance Grant's taken with the New Gods...

[WorstThingUS]

Grant should really do a Q&A about Superman Beyond. It's confusing as hell

I second that.

[Samuraixsithlord]

I dunno. Darkseid being played and manipulated by another behind-the-scenes villain doesn't seem very respectful to the whole "THEY'RE GODS - LET'S TREAT THEM THAT WAY!" stance Grant's taken with the New Gods...

It could be that Darkseid isn't being played, his fall to earth just woke something up thats more dangerous then him.

[Sean Walsh]

It could be that Darkseid isn't being played, his fall to earth just woke something up thats more dangerous then him.

But even still.........what would or should be worse than an evil God?

[carabas]

I dunno. Darkseid being played and manipulated by another behind-the-scenes villain doesn't seem very respectful to the whole "THEY'RE GODS - LET'S TREAT THEM THAT WAY!" stance Grant's taken with the New Gods...I don't know. Mandrakk seems to be some fourth-wall-shattering guy who points and laughs at actual Gods.

[Flamebird]

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid!

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[Mat001]

I don't know. Mandrakk seems to be some fourth-wall-shattering guy who points and laughs at actual Gods.

Indeed. We're seeing why Darkseid should've never been able to do what he has done. The ultimate consequence of his victory in heaven.

[Paul McEnery]

But even still.........what would or should be worse than an evil God?

Depends how you think about the gods, doesn't it.

Waxing philosophical, the gods live in the noosphere -- what Alan Moore calls the Immateria. That is to say, they're projections of human values and psychology reflected back on us from the edge of our universe.

But at the next level up -- outside the universe, in the fifth dimension or whatever -- there's something else going on of which we can barely catch a glimpse. That's the level of deep principles and physics and what have you.

Read The Invisibles to have that aaaaallll cleared up. :evilsmile:

But in pantheon terms, we could look at it like the humanized Greco-Roman pantheon, with gods running around like a celestial soap opera while acting out the metaphors for the human condition. There's your top down Olympian model, which speaks to a psychological model of humanity.

Or we've got the Voodoo pantheon, living immanently within the people, where each person belongs by family to a particular loa (or god), and the loa are distilled from human emotion and given the behaviour of a certain ancestor, and may rise up to possess the family member. So that's your bottom up dark and spooky model, which speaks to a physiological model of humanity.

But overarching -- and predating -- both of these is the Hindu pantheon, where there's a whole bunch of middling gods acting out the dramas of the world in the world -- rather like the JLA in Morrison's run -- but above them, you've got the serious pantheon of Brahma the Creator, Vishnu the Sustainer, and Shiva the Destroyer.

And these are beyond humanizing, beyond drama, at least at the top level. What they are is primal forces, aspects of the universe itself, well, more the character of the universe itself in its life cycle -- youth, middle age, and old age.

But there's something even further behind them, which is The One, the big bliss we see at the end of Promethea. Or, if we take the Buddha's word for it, there's one step further even behind that, which is the Void itself.

Which gives us the beginning point of the Monitor's mythology.

Or, if we go all Zoroastrian -- giving us the second point in the Monitor's mythology -- we get perfection of The One/The Void, and emanations down from there of greater and greater imperfection, each level "ruled" or characterized by lesser and lesser gods.

And that's the shape of the Monitors/New Gods/Superheroes layering in Final Crisis, with the medieval concept of "as above, so below" -- what happens at one layer is happening in all the layers.

We could think of it like an orchestra, where the conductor waves his baton, and the trombones play C, and the strings play F, and the clarinets play G, and we get a chord, and it is the chord that matters, not the individual notes.

Not that I would wish to suggest that dark master's dog ate his homework or anything.:tongue:

[Samuraixsithlord]

But even still.........what would or should be worse than an evil God?

Mandrakk appears to be a being beyond comprehension. If the Omni-monitor is god, he'd be Satan.

Remember how the New Gods from the Fourth World were Giants that would shrink down to mortal form when traveling to the third world.

I'm thinking the same thing is true with the Monitors. In their true size they could literally hold the earth in the palm of their hands. but they shrink when they visit the multiverse

[Samuraixsithlord]

I don't know. Mandrakk seems to be some fourth-wall-shattering guy who points and laughs at actual Gods.

Darkseid and the Dark Gods would be nothing more then a colony of bacteria

[Samuraixsithlord]

I dunno. Darkseid being played and manipulated by another behind-the-scenes villain doesn't seem very respectful to the whole "THEY'RE GODS - LET'S TREAT THEM THAT WAY!" stance Grant's taken with the New Gods...

Even Gods get played as fools. Look at Loki and how he brought about Ragnarok

[Captain Smith]

One problem with all these 'gods' visiting Earth is that our kind of humans have only existed for 200K years. We are only civilized for 8K years.

The universe is 13.7 billion years old.

What were all these gods doing before Earth and Humans became soooo important?

All fear Manduck! Stupid rewriting of DCU continuity and the cosmology.

[Paul McEnery]

What were all these gods doing before Earth and Humans became soooo important?



I know it's been three months, but perhaps you'd like to read the first three pages of Final Crisis again.