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frostedone
08-30-2008, 04:35 PM
Why is the Spectre targeting Renee Montoya in Final Crisis Revelations? What did she do wrong? Aren't there more deserving people like the Joker and Lex Luthor?

I am glad that Dr. Light got his due though.

Also what is the Spectre's purpose and powers? Thanks, I am new to the character.

p.s. is Vic Sage still alive?

IvCNuB4
08-30-2008, 04:41 PM
There's an article at Newsarama with some more info (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080721-RevelationsA.html)...

carabas
08-30-2008, 05:26 PM
Why is the Spectre targeting Renee Montoya in Final Crisis Revelations? What did she do wrong?She killed some guy.

Aren't there more deserving people like the Joker and Lex Luthor?Obviously yes, but the spectre doesn't really differentiate between killers.

Also what is the Spectre's purpose and powers?The Spectre is literally the wrath of god, and his powers are almost without limit. But he can only use them to punish murderers. and occasionally to fight uni/multi-verse threatening baddies.


p.s. is Vic Sage still alive?
Not at this time.

Seraku
08-30-2008, 10:23 PM
Spectre sees Renee responsible for the cult she was put in put in charge of Crime Bible

frostedone
08-31-2008, 08:52 AM
Se was in a cult? Why, and what issues?

JohnShil
08-31-2008, 09:20 AM
She was fighting the cult in 52, but her story continued in THE QUESTION: FIVE LESSONS OF BLOOD #1-5. REVELATIONS picks up where that left off.

Seraku
08-31-2008, 06:40 PM
I think they decide to make her their leader and she refuses. anyways that's what Rucka said somewhere

Retro315
08-31-2008, 07:38 PM
p.s. is Vic Sage still alive?

Nope ...

Although having a direct link to God, it'd be nice if Renee could get some closure on Vic's situation. He died, she's accepted that. But it'd be cool for us to learn whether all his questioning and vigilantism and finally eastern philosophies netted him a spot in heaven or hell ...

carabas
09-01-2008, 12:56 AM
Nope ...

Although having a direct link to God, it'd be nice if Renee could get some closure on Vic's situation. He died, she's accepted that. But it'd be cool for us to learn whether all his questioning and vigilantism and finally eastern philosophies netted him a spot in heaven or hell ...Reincarnation, surely?

Hatut Zeraze
09-02-2008, 09:01 PM
I'd wouldn't agree with any of these answers. After reading Revelations #1, I got the impression that something Libra did to the Spectre combined with something the cult member did to Renee that is impelling him to go after her.

I'd say Libra's spear did some mystical reprogramming on the Spectre and the cult member cast some shadow of guilt upon Renee. That's the theory I'm working with.

TeamED209
09-04-2008, 07:08 AM
I'd wouldn't agree with any of these answers. After reading Revelations #1, I got the impression that something Libra did to the Spectre combined with something the cult member did to Renee that is impelling him to go after her.

I'd say Libra's spear did some mystical reprogramming on the Spectre and the cult member cast some shadow of guilt upon Renee. That's the theory I'm working with.

that could be the case we know that Spectre has a tendency to get manipulated in these crisis situations...but why montoya? maybe some connection to the crime bible?

Joe Acro
09-04-2008, 07:19 AM
Aren't there more deserving people like the Joker and Lex Luthor?He can't touch the Joker because he's insane. Batman wasn't much fond of that idea.

Also what is the Spectre's purpose and powers? Thanks, I am new to the character.
The Spectre's purpose is the punish those who knowingly do injustice against society, largely killing murderers in ironic fashion.

As for Renee, I imagine the reason for being after her will be revealed in time.

celticguy
09-10-2008, 01:25 PM
Spectre got punked!

frostedone
09-11-2008, 09:25 PM
By the Mercy of God. Also it seems like Vandal Savage just got a powerup.

Ungenesis
09-12-2008, 12:27 PM
This Mercy chick, "The Radiant", is she a new character or has she appeared elsewhere? The only Radiant I remember was from Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey.

fly on the wall
09-13-2008, 03:00 PM
He can't touch the Joker because he's insane.

But what if the Joker was killing every one in the world, one by one. Wouldn't Spectre step in then?

I realize this is a hypothetical question.

Captain Smith
09-14-2008, 10:11 AM
Not necessarily, there have been mass murders before and the Spectre had to be pleaded with to get involved. Remember Jay doing it?

Also, when the Suneater was going to take Earth out, Spec said he had the power to take out the critter but it wasn't his mission. He did cuddle up with Gaea to keep the planet warm for awhile.

Since the Spec can pretty much clean out all of the bad guys, there has to be some limit on him based on vague rules of intervention.

Libra has some protection, when vaporized Darkseid came back to life, etc. He could have taken the AntiMonitor in the COIE but was ineffectual for personal reasons and got scolded by God for that. He said he could have taken the Great Beast but couldn't as he had his ectoplasm elsewhere.

So, he is usually constrained.

marshal99
09-14-2008, 10:33 AM
But what if the Joker was killing every one in the world, one by one. Wouldn't Spectre step in then?

I realize this is a hypothetical question.

Well , during the Ostrander/Mandrake Spectre run , the spectre did try to judge joker by looking into his head first but unfortunately , joker hijack the spectre's powers and play havoc with it. As i recall , batman intervene and did not allow the spectre to kill the joker and plead his case.

Captain Smith
09-15-2008, 09:53 AM
The Spectre also considered giving Batman some special 'consideration' but passed on that. Bats also asked Spec how Mom and Day Wayne were doing in Heaven but Specs didn't know.

sabongero
09-18-2008, 01:43 AM
The Spectre also considered giving Batman some special 'consideration' but passed on that. Bats also asked Spec how Mom and Day Wayne were doing in Heaven but Specs didn't know.

what comic book did this take place where batman had a dialogue with spectre and batman asking him about his parents and how they're doin; these days ?

Jared
09-18-2008, 02:11 AM
Spectre Volume 3 #51.

This came up on the Batman board. Does Spectre at one point comment on Batman secretly yearning to kill criminals? I could swear I read that somewhere, and this seems like would be the story for it.

Mr Omnis
09-18-2008, 06:44 PM
Spectre Volume 3 #51.

This came up on the Batman board. Does Spectre at one point comment on Batman secretly yearning to kill criminals? I could swear I read that somewhere, and this seems like would be the story for it.

Hal-Spectre said something along those lines in JLA, just after he got the job.

But some part of of you desperately wants to cross that line. There's a best, Batman, in the depths of your soul-- who wants nothing less than the complete annihilation of his enemies.

And perhaps the annihilation of your self in the bargain.

So what, I wonder, is the Spectre's responsibility? Do I stop you now-- before you commit murder-- or do I wait until you actually kill and then swoop down and destroy you?

Interestingly enough, while Ostrander suggested with Corrigan that Joker was completely insane and, thus, not entirely responsible for his actions (and then outside the realm of Spectre), DeMatteis, in this issue I just quoted, suggested that there's still some kind of good, humanly part in The Joker.

But part of DeMatteis' whole thing with The Spectre was redemption, so that's not surprising.

marshal99
09-18-2008, 10:48 PM
Hal-Spectre said something along those lines in JLA, just after he got the job.



Interestingly enough, while Ostrander suggested with Corrigan that Joker was completely insane and, thus, not entirely responsible for his actions (and then outside the realm of Spectre), DeMatteis, in this issue I just quoted, suggested that there's still some kind of good, humanly part in The Joker.

But part of DeMatteis' whole thing with The Spectre was redemption, so that's not surprising.

Martian manhunter foray into Joker's mind in Morrison's JLA would also seemed to suggest that Joker was completely insane.

Mr Omnis
09-18-2008, 11:42 PM
Martian manhunter foray into Joker's mind in Morrison's JLA would also seemed to suggest that Joker was completely insane.

Yeah. I just read that issue over, since before I was just looking for that quote, and you're right.