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Ciro
08-28-2008, 08:03 PM
As well as the story related by the omnniversal book.

Take in account that I didn't read 52 (nor Countdown) so any useful information from that series thatr could be usefeul to this I'm nopt aware of

To begin with the Ultima thule and part of the adventure if not possibly the whole of it is a parallel to the "Yellow Submarine" vehicle and animated featur film respectively from the Beatles, this would make it's tripulants the Beatles.


The Overvoid seems to be the world of the Monitors altough sometimes they refer to it as if it were the Bleed.

They are being chased trough the Bleed by this 70 Mile long ship callec Echo the Midnight Destroyer, then they enter some Earth, and then they start to shift to various earths/universes with the Destroyer shifting with them following until they manage to shift to earth-51 wich is deserted and is used as a graveyard universe where trough some means not overly explained Superman and Ultraman manage to dump the Destroyer, not being clear if it's still functioning and if it's not how they made it to stop working

As they seem to run out of fuel they crash in limbo wich seems to be a place out of everything, the bleed, the multiverse, everything.

Explanation of the tale from the omniversal book.

The Bleed seem to be blood of the first monitor.

The flaw is the multiverse, formed in the bleed as can be seen in the thing that looks like a blood cell.

The whole cell and germ parallells refers to the living beings and/or the planets within the multiverse.

The "probe" sent to the flaw is apparently the original Monitor from the COIE.

Originally it was explained in COIE that the Monitor was born on OA or a moon of OA if I recall correctly as a living embodiment of the postive matter universe or multiverse, while the Antimonitor from Qward was the same to the antimatter negative universe.

So this birth of the Monitor could be when he was sent by the first omni-monitor (or whatever they called him I don't have the issue at hand) to the flaw.

The conflict the probe witnesess seems to be the original Crisis on Infinite Earths.

After the conflict they say the flaw is encased in divine metals, with they refer to the orrery of worlds or multiversal machine.

They say that, after the conflict, split in two, the probe left forever.

They say after the conflict was done only a silent sentinel was left, this refers to a giant Superman statue in the middle of nowhere.

Say that as a consequence of the unlikely unprecedented event of the omnimonitor coming in contact with story (meaning events, lovers, treasons, other living, being etc.), arised the history of this race that were the direct descendants of the omnimonitor that is the race of Monitors and their worldwiach was built around the orrery of Worlds and the giant Superman statue wich arised questions from them.

Then is related the story of Dax Novu and this disc that resembles a yin and yang symbol with 16 squares is shown, this could symbolize the splitting in two mentioned earlier.

Then we discover Zillo Valla sucking Overman's blood like a vampire, here we can infer from what Zillo Valla was explaining earlier to Overman as how the ship worked that the Ultima thule needs Zillo Valla to suck blood to use as fuel as the ship works as a biological function of her.

The thing they mention of the probe being splitted it's not quite clear, this could refer to the antimonitor, but in COIE it's explained that they were both born simultaneously or almost, eons before humanity came to be so who knows.

There seems to be a lot of bits and pieces of facts that contradicts what is known of the history of the DC Universe, we'll see the developments.

That's all i recall at the time if something else come to my mind I'll post it.

Samuraixsithlord
08-28-2008, 08:24 PM
The probe that the void sent into the multiverse split into two parts The Monitor and the Anti-Monitor due to the Chaotic nature of the stories contained with in the multiverse.

The Chaotic first contact between the Probe and the Multiverse gave birth to Mandrakk the Dark Monitor who took on the form of the giant metal statue of Superman (Because in essance Superman was the first DC Story created, and the first thing the Probe came into contact with).

The Monitor civilization sprang up around the encased form of Mandrakk and spent centuries theorizing what it was until the Monitor Novu finally found out what was inside the statue and gave his life to help imprison it

now the next part is just guess work from me.

when Darkseid won the war in heaven and fell through the heavens, this disturbance was enough to wake Mandrakk up. But Mandrakk's true form is still encased in the statue and he could only work through his "nano-technology".

berk
08-28-2008, 08:46 PM
Maybe Zillo Valla takes blood in like a heart and then distributes it where it's needed.

vitruvian
08-28-2008, 08:59 PM
No, the Superman statue is not Mandrakk. There's a 'Sepulchre of Mandrakk' shown elsewhere in the Monitors' city.

DarKye
08-28-2008, 09:11 PM
Props on the thread, I was thinking about starting one myself. I'm glad someone did.

The Monitor civilization sprang up around the encased form of Mandrakk and spent centuries theorizing what it was until the Monitor Novu finally found out what was inside the statue and gave his life to help imprison it

I'm not sure this is accurate. I can't find anything in those pages that indicate Mandrakk existed in the statue.

My interpretation (not sure if it's accurate either though) is:

Dax Novu was the "good side" of the probe, the original monitor from Crisis on Infinite Earths. He is the first son of Monitor (which makes sense since the probe was the first thing he used to interact with the DCU), he is the one who "first probed the flaw and mapped its horrors". Not sure why he had a "rebel intellect" though. He gave his life to chain the beast in darkness (the anti-monitor?)
Mandrakk, I see as an aspect of Monitor (the omni conscience) after he starts being contaminated by stories (because he'd obviously need a villain).
In that sense, Mandrakk would be much more of a threat that even the anti-monitor, since anti was just part of a probe.. This is part of the real deal.

The comment about the doomsday machine, I think they actually refer to Superman. After all, it is the final crisis, the last of days, and they gathered a group of Supermen to defend everything in existence.

Ciro
08-29-2008, 08:22 AM
Dax Novu was the "good side" of the probe, the original monitor from Crisis on Infinite Earths. He is the first son of Monitor (which makes sense since the probe was the first thing he used to interact with the DCU), he is the one who "first probed the flaw and mapped its horrors". Not sure why he had a "rebel intellect" though. He gave his life to chain the beast in darkness (the anti-monitor?)
Mandrakk, I see as an aspect of Monitor (the omni conscience) after he starts being contaminated by stories (because he'd obviously need a villain).
In that sense, Mandrakk would be much more of a threat that even the anti-monitor, since anti was just part of a probe.. This is part of the real deal.

The comment about the doomsday machine, I think they actually refer to Superman. After all, it is the final crisis, the last of days, and they gathered a group of Supermen to defend everything in existence.

Good one, I'd give it a shot, Mandrakk being inside the Superman statue just doesn't hold weight.

Ciro
08-30-2008, 03:31 AM
Ok, I've reread the issue and now with it at hand...

The conflict I mentioned is what the book refers to as the "chaotic froth of events".

So the Antimonitor could be this beast in darkness in case Dax Nove isthe Monitor from COIE, but he can't be Mandrakk the Dark Monitor because we know he was turned into a big lamp at the end of the Sinestro Corps War and that Geoff Johns has other plans for him.

There's something curious it says the Mutliverse originated inside the omnimonitor and Supeman mentions when reading the book that the Mulitiverse is inside of him.

But then it says that after that first contact that was the first Crisis the flaw was sealed with divine metals and nothing else was left (besides the statue) and we see the Multiverse (inside the orrery) in nothingness.

And the the world of the Monitor grew around that nothingness.

So how can the Multiverse still exist inside the Omnimonitor (specially when we see that nothingness)???????

One almost definite conclusion one can get out of this is that Superman is the key to defeat Mandrakk (otherwise why the Statue and the flash-forward of their confrontation?)

vitruvian
08-30-2008, 10:09 AM
Inside the Orrery, like you said.

dotdotdot
08-31-2008, 09:44 PM
No, the Superman statue is not Mandrakk. There's a 'Sepulchre of Mandrakk' shown elsewhere in the Monitors' city.

yeah why does he keep insisting on this, we've explained it to him a few times

Dark Master
08-31-2008, 10:26 PM
My theory on this is that Morrison got ahold of some bad weed, and tried to tie in the monitors from countdown to make everyone happy and ended up messing it all up worse.

Seriously the guy is really George Lucusing the hell out of this mess.

Superboy-Prime
08-31-2008, 11:44 PM
I don't think so, but whatever you say.

Adamantium_Avatar
09-01-2008, 05:34 AM
I am confused.. (as are so many other people it seems)

In fact I am so confused I am not sure what questions I should be asking! :eek:


Erm...

Is the Omnimonitor supposed to be God then?

Paul McEnery
09-01-2008, 09:01 AM
I am confused.. (as are so many other people it seems)

In fact I am so confused I am not sure what questions I should be asking! :eek:


Erm...

Is the Omnimonitor supposed to be God then?

Omniscience would be one of the qualifications, wouldn't it.

DarKye
09-01-2008, 09:05 AM
Is the Omnimonitor supposed to be God then?

Could be, but chances are Monitor is beyond even God, since God works from within the Universe/Multiverse. Monitor just found what God had created, didn't create it himself.

I keep seeing Monitor as the reader.

Captain Smith
09-01-2008, 10:24 AM
Total baloney wave of incomprehensible new continuity problems that will take DC about 4 crisises to resolve.

It's a disaster of story telling.

Samuraixsithlord
09-01-2008, 12:50 PM
Could be, but chances are Monitor is beyond even God, since God works from within the Universe/Multiverse. Monitor just found what God had created, didn't create it himself.

I keep seeing Monitor as the reader.

yea seeing as the multiverse is like a colony of bacteria to the Omnimonitor. The Almighty or "God" would just be a slightly bigger piece of bacteria

Grant Morrison's view on the multiverse reminds me of Stephen Kings take on his multiverse

Samuraixsithlord
09-01-2008, 12:54 PM
No, the Superman statue is not Mandrakk. There's a 'Sepulchre of Mandrakk' shown elsewhere in the Monitors' city.

So Mandrakk was another Monitor like the rest that went all evil and he's using the "nanotechnology" of the Omnimonitor to destroy the connections between the different realities, correct?

Retro315
09-01-2008, 08:38 PM
If COIE said that the Monitor was born of Oa, and the Anti-Monitor Qward ... then wouldn't it make sense that Oa and Qward are the two probes, and that the monitors themselves are the "bacteria" or "germ"?

I mean, the monitors do seem to be growing in number ...

Samuraixsithlord
09-03-2008, 08:05 PM
I mean, the monitors do seem to be growing in number ...

maybe the "divine metal" that has encased the current multiverse is weakening, allowing the "bacteria" to spread creating more realities each with its own monitor.

dotdotdot
09-03-2008, 08:10 PM
If COIE said that the Monitor was born of Oa, and the Anti-Monitor Qward ... then wouldn't it make sense that Oa and Qward are the two probes, and that the monitors themselves are the "bacteria" or "germ"?

I mean, the monitors do seem to be growing in number ...

maybe but it was clear from the issue that probe referred to monitor

Paul McEnery
09-04-2008, 02:36 PM
If COIE said that the Monitor was born of Oa, and the Anti-Monitor Qward ... then wouldn't it make sense that Oa and Qward are the two probes, and that the monitors themselves are the "bacteria" or "germ"?

I mean, the monitors do seem to be growing in number ...

What, like cells after insemination, you mean?

Zenith23
09-05-2008, 09:34 AM
I mean, the monitors do seem to be growing in number ...

I prefer to seem them and their world/civilization as condensing out of the space originally occupied by the omni-monitor.