The Brave and the Bold #16 [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

AlistairCrane

08-22-2008, 06:32 PM

The art was horrible, but overall the story was okay. However, this story couldn't have been set "years ago" because Catwoman didn't start wearing that costume until after Gordon retired, unless of course this story takes place around OYL, in which case it works.

Anyway, this was my first and last issue of B&B. It's everything I hate about comics rolled into a neat little package. I only picked it up because I'm a Catwoman completist. Oh well, not my thing, fortunately for me (and my wallet).

matt levin

08-23-2008, 07:17 AM

See...I LIKED the art. I liked the whole issue, actually, after having dropped this title maybe five or six issues ago. Often I judge an intermediary comic (ie., one I don't regularly follow; an issue picked up on impulse, etc etc) on whether or not there are pages I'd like to own: pages have to feature the lead characters, be 'complete' (ie., understandable to a non-comics reader) in and of itself, and be well-written as well as well-drawn. This issue had several such pages!

After the first six or seven issues, I've been buying this petty much based on who appears each issue; glad I gave in to the impulse this time!

Matt

Jeff Cope

08-23-2008, 07:27 AM

Anyway, this was my first and last issue of B&B. It's everything I hate about comics rolled into a neat little package.

Care to elaborate on that?

B&B has been, for me, everything I love about comics. Fun!

(but I realized that everyone's tastes and preferences differ)

J

AlistairCrane

08-23-2008, 09:03 AM

Care to elaborate on that?

B&B has been, for me, everything I love about comics. Fun!

(but I realized that everyone's tastes and preferences differ)

J

It lacks gravitas. It's just light, mindless fun. I want a meaty story with different layers of emotion and pathos. This was just a silly little romp between Supes and Selina. Basically, I like comics with a little more "Watchmen" influence, so this was not my cup of tea. But I'm not angry or anything--I'll gladly shell out $3 for anything with Catwoman in it.

CBikle

08-23-2008, 09:59 AM

It was ok.

The drawback with a book like B&B is that every once in awhile, you'll get a story that feels like a "filler" issue, like this one.

Also, I'd prefer it if this book focussed on the more obscure DCU characters who don't have their own regular titles; this story could just as easily have been used as a filler issue in either Catwoman or a Superman title.

AlistairCrane

08-23-2008, 11:11 AM

chipsnopotatoes

08-23-2008, 04:45 PM

got it today. loved it. lighthearted and fun. i'm kind of tired of all the angst & drama they've piled up on her in her own book.

selina and supes should team up more often.

i still don't like her costume.

Michael P

08-23-2008, 11:28 PM

It lacks gravitas. It's just light, mindless fun. I want a meaty story with different layers of emotion and pathos. This was just a silly little romp between Supes and Selina. Basically, I like comics with a little more "Watchmen" influence, so this was not my cup of tea. But I'm not angry or anything--I'll gladly shell out $3 for anything with Catwoman in it.

You're taking a story about a man who wears blue tights and a woman who dresses up like a cat way too seriously. Sometimes genre work doesn't need to be any more than itself, executed well. If you want gravitas, read Vertigo. I like my superpeople smiling.

This was a caper story mixed with an "opposites attract" romantic comedy, minus the smooching. As that, it was quite well-executed, and enjoyable to read. The coloring was a bit off, but all said, it was worth my money.

Herr Mike

08-24-2008, 05:27 AM

Anyway, this was my first and last issue of B&B. It's everything I hate about comics rolled into a neat little package. I only picked it up because I'm a Catwoman completist. Oh well, not my thing, fortunately for me (and my wallet).

I hear you brother. Beware the comic described as "fun".

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 10:12 AM

You're taking a story about a man who wears blue tights and a woman who dresses up like a cat way too seriously. Sometimes genre work doesn't need to be any more than itself, executed well. If you want gravitas, read Vertigo. I like my superpeople smiling.

Don't try to trivialize my opinion, thank you very much. You're talking down to me as if I'm a child, but I know my stuff. I've been collecting Catwoman since 1993.

Keep your smiling superheroes away from my Catwoman. Kthnxbye!

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 10:14 AM

Also, if anything, this issue just proved why Superman doesn't work for me as a superhero. He's a f***ing dumbass and a toothy-grinned idiot. No one actually acts like that and therefore that makes him next to impossible to identity with. This is why the only DCU books I read are the Batbooks. They're nice and dark, just the way it should be.

Dark Master

08-24-2008, 10:19 AM

Don't try to trivialize my opinion, thank you very much. You're talking down to me as if I'm a child, but I know my stuff. I've been collecting Catwoman since 1993.

Keep your smiling superheroes away from my Catwoman. Kthnxbye!

You kind of have anger issues. Don't take everything as a personal attack. Not every comic needs to be serious and impactful. I like both types of stories and I think we need a good balance of both.

As far as artwork, that is an incredibly subjective thing. I know people who love artwork that I despise. That doesn't mean they are wrong or that i am wrong. It's all about taste. If you don't like the issue then don't buy it, your obviously not the audience it's geared towards.

B. Kuwanger

08-24-2008, 11:37 AM

I was pretty happy with this book. I'm a big fan of Kolins and Superman. I'll agree that this was pretty much what comics are about, I liked not being burdened with all the damned DC knowedge in the world and just sitting back for a kind of cool single issue story. If you guys liked this one I'd recommend X-Men First Class.

The Beast Of Yucca Flats

08-24-2008, 12:05 PM

Also, if anything, this issue just proved why Superman doesn't work for me as a superhero. He's a f***ing dumbass and a toothy-grinned idiot.

Well, he seemed to be on the ball enough to figure out how to track down Catwoman when she bolted to Clayface's water supply, or why not to trust her with the last remainder of said supply at the end.

Samy

08-24-2008, 06:42 PM

This issue was awesome. So fun. No gory deaths, no heroes killing, no self-important crime noir narration boxes. Just plain fun. God I wish there were more comics like this.

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 07:03 PM

Well, he seemed to be on the ball enough to figure out how to track down Catwoman when she bolted to Clayface's water supply, or why not to trust her with the last remainder of said supply at the end.

I said he was a dumbass, not stupid. There's a diff.

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 07:03 PM

This issue was awesome. So fun. No gory deaths, no heroes killing, no self-important crime noir narration boxes. Just plain fun. God I wish there were more comics like this.

I don't. Brave and the Bold should be cancelled for being a waste of paper.

The Beast Of Yucca Flats

08-24-2008, 07:19 PM

I said he was a dumbass, not stupid. There's a diff.

Silly me, misinterpreting the use of "dumbass" and "idiot" as meaning stupid. Whatever came over me?

Seriously, dude; chill.

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 07:27 PM

Silly me, misinterpreting the use of "dumbass" and "idiot" as meaning stupid. Whatever came over me?

Seriously, dude; chill.

I am chilled, I just don't want you misconstruing my words, thanks.

Dark Master

08-24-2008, 07:31 PM

I am chilled, I just don't want you misconstruing my words, thanks.

Because if that happened the world would collapse and Jesus would cry LMAO!:tongue:

Dark Master

08-24-2008, 07:34 PM

I don't. Brave and the Bold should be cancelled for being a waste of paper.

Allot of people seem to have enjoyed it. If you don't like it then try avoiding the comic altogether. I know that's really hard, you'd probably have to go to a meeting or something.

Samy

08-24-2008, 07:49 PM

I don't. Brave and the Bold should be cancelled for being a waste of paper.

Wait.

Are you really saying that you want 30,000 people to be unhappy because it upsets your world to have to see the book in solicitations every month?

That seems kind of assholish to me.

The Beast Of Yucca Flats

08-24-2008, 07:51 PM

I am chilled,

Well, sorry, but there's just only so many ways one can read "Brave & The Bold should be cancelled for being a waste of paper" or telling a guy to "keep [his] smiling superheroes away from [your] Catwoman." (or the bit I was replying to)

Again, the taking of a chill pill might not be totally out of line, here.

I just don't want you misconstruing my words, thanks.

Misconstrued what now?

CBikle

08-24-2008, 08:09 PM

I think the book will improve when JMS takes over.

Also, it'd be great if Perez could become the permanent artist for the title.

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 08:42 PM

Wait.

Are you really saying that you want 30,000 people to be unhappy because it upsets your world to have to see the book in solicitations every month?

That seems kind of assholish to me.

Not really. But DC could be putting out a better book that will sell twice as much if it canned this crap.

Samy

08-24-2008, 09:23 PM

They can put out a better book anyway. It's not like this book is standing in the way or anything.

You apparently just want to get this book cancelled, and make all the people who enjoy it unhappy, simply because you can't stand to see it on the solicits.

CBikle

08-24-2008, 09:24 PM

Not really. But DC could be putting out a better book that will sell twice as much if it canned this crap.

Except for the last issue, this book has been good.

Waid has never been a great writer, but his best work seems to come out when he's paired with the right artist (Alex Ross, George Perez, etc.) and I don't think that was the case with Kolins.

You might want to check the book out again when JMS is writing it.

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 09:34 PM

AlistairCrane

08-24-2008, 09:35 PM

Except for the last issue, this book has been good.

Waid has never been a great writer, but his best work seems to come out when he's paired with the right artist (Alex Ross, George Perez, etc.) and I don't think that was the case with Kolins.

You might want to check the book out again when JMS is writing it.

Nah, I'm not interested in the Milestone characters.

Samy

08-24-2008, 09:42 PM

Well, no offense, but this is not the type of book people should be enjoying.

Oh. Tell me more about what my tastes should be?

Also, what kind of food should I enjoy?

How about what kind of clothes should I wear?

What music should I enjoy?

What should my favorite films be?

You seem really eager to decide peoples' tastes for them, so I'm looking forward to hearing your response to what my tastes should be.

Dark Master

08-24-2008, 09:58 PM

Well, no offense, but this is not the type of book people should be enjoying.

Well no offense, but your opinion is not law. People can enjoy and should enjoy whatever they want. Many like this issue hard as it is for you and your ego to grasp.

Once again the simple solution would be for you to avoid the title if it dissatisfys you. I am sure there is a Brave and the Boldaholics Anonymous meeting you could go to.

humpa

08-25-2008, 12:46 AM

I loved this issue, infact its the only B&B issue i picked up cause the cover looked cute and interesting. Even though the artwork was mediocre, the story was great fun! I was confused with the time setting as well, cause it seemed like they met the first time. Probably was set even before Hush.

I really hope they do another fun issue like this, i think catwoman team ups are always great fun.

Also i liked how everyone was drooling over Superman, not just catwoman, but even commissioner gordon! lol! :biggrin:

rwe1138

08-25-2008, 04:09 PM

Nah, I'm not interested in the Milestone characters.

Then I guess you shouldn't read Justice League of America, because that's where they'll be showing up.

AlistairCrane

08-25-2008, 04:10 PM

Then I guess you shouldn't read Justice League of America, because that's where they'll be showing up.

I don't, and I won't.

EDIT: Oh, I'm thinking of the Archie heroes. Either way, not for me.

dupersuper

08-30-2008, 12:43 AM

Well, no offense, but this is not the type of book people should be enjoying.

Is that some kind of royal decree? :rolleyes:

Dard

08-30-2008, 01:19 AM

I got me this issue just because of the cover alone and I loved (almost) every page of it!
This is the lighthearted fun I just need every once in a while to remind me that american superhero comics aren't all just there for doom and despair.
(not that I mind some doom and despair, but it should never become a common state)

Sure, it is nothing groundbreaking, nothing serious. It doesn't have to be. I'd love if there were more issues like this once in a while. Okay, maybe I just enjoy it so much because I'm not really fond of Superman to begin with and always enjoy when he is presented in a little different way. I don't even think he was just shown as a comic relief. He was just in an environment that doesn't suit him and Catwoman is there to show him just how much.

But yes, the art could have been better. But it's not bad either.

Den

08-30-2008, 03:17 PM

I am not crazy about the art. Just not my taste.

The story, however, was great. I laughed, and I thought the characterization was spot on for Superman (Catwoman I'm not as familiar with, but she seemed fine by me). There is a serious need for lightheartedness in comcs, as oxymoronic as that sounds ;) and this provides it.