X-Factor: Layla Miller #1 - (Summary & Spoilers)

[worstblogever]

X-Factor: Layla Miller #1

Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, Winter, Eighty Years from Now.
The Mutant Containment Center

The guards of the MCC have noticed there's an inmate they've come to call "the statue", ecause she's been standing along the perimeter for eight straight days. They've taken up a pool to see how long she can keep it up. But, other than the fact that she's let some snowflakes land on her tongue, they haven't seen her eat or drink in that time. Sooner or later, she's going to collapse, and someone's going to collect their money.

Late on day nine, when the last guard's prediction is up, the guards all go to confront her, and when they say they don't know what's going through her mind she just says, "Stuff".

Uh oh.

He asks for clarification, and she says, "Space stuff. Junk." Her thought expands upon lll the satellites and debris left up in orbit around the Earth, and in the history of the space program, only one woman in Oklahoma (Sorry, RG!) was known to be hit by any of it. But as she surmises, "We're due."

As debris begins to rain from the sky upon the guards, killing them, a Sentinel along the perimeter, Layla just stands calmly in the center of it all, in an X she's drawn, finding the irony that the budget that used to pay for keeping track of falling space trash was instead, in the future, reallocated to pay for funding to combat the mutant threat. "If you weren't all busy dying, I bet we'd share a big laugh over it."

She assures the dying guards that a mass escape won't happen, because all the mutants are hiding in their quarters, praying they don't get hit. No one will notice she's even gone for a day, and for the record, the winning number in the pool was ten.

Don't mess with the Layla.

Atlantic City
An elderly man waits with his daughter, Ruby, holding a picture of Layla. He's been expecting her to arrive any day now for the past twenty years...

Downtown Manhattan:

Layla wanders through the streets, her "M" tattoo marking her, and breaks into the front window of a wig store to steal some blonde locks to replace her own, since her head is still shaved. She's hoping to attract police attention, to help a woman named Linqon.

The scene cuts to Linqon, a newly discovered mutant, who's fleeing the police in one direction on foot, and trying to slow down their pursuit by using a power to create energy blasts and blowing up the first of two squad cars in pursuit. It apparently will take her a few minutes to generate enough charge to take on the other, and as a homeless man flicks a cigarette in the street near where Layla's been talking, a third squad car screams towards the intersection, and near Layla and Linqon. They collide, and as gasoline falls from one car's gas tank, the cigarette ignites it and creates a huge explosion that covers both their escapes.

A witness nearby watches this turn of events, and how Layla seemed to know what was going to happen. He follows, curious...

Later...

Protesters at a college campus grow incensed that the government plans to start furthering their subversion of mutants by requiring all humans to undgergo genetic testing that would show if they ever had a mutant relative, that they too would have to be locked up for "observation", for fear of one day having a descendant who might give birth to one as well.

Layla wanders in and furthers their paranoia, telling them it's not a rumor, it's an actual program the government has named, "Operation: Purity". The people on campus have instant access to the internet, via cyberlinks in their heads, within minutes, Layla has most of the country buzzing based solely off of rumor.

If it was, a rumor, of course.

Layla finally confronts the guy who's been shadowing her since her run in with the NYPD and Linqon, and calls him by name, "Dwayne". As she is wont to point out, she knows stuff. And she knows that Dwayne is a car thief, and asks him to steal a car and drive her to Atlantic City.

Atlantic City: Dawn

Layla's trying to explain her lot in life to Dwayne, and about how she's allowed to see the chess pieces that everyone is, but isn't allowed to move them. Dwayne's at a loss, and is more worried about how the place is a ghost town since terrorist attacks ten years ago.

And that's whenthey both get confronted by... Ruby. Ruby Summers. A blonde girl who's made of living ruby, and can manifest optic blasts. Guess her parentage, I dare you.

Well, while Ruby fired off a warning shot, she holds back after seeing Layla Miller, whom she recognizes. Layla immediately knows her father, and asks to see him. She's been expected. Dwayne gets introduced to Ruby, who apparently was asked to be named as such prior to her birth by Layla... who knew what she'd become when her mutant powers manifested.

Layla goes up to meet Cyclops, who's not quite so happy to see her. He's got a cybernetic arm and leg, and a plate in his skull, plus his optic blasts don't seem to be out of control, as he stares at her with red, visorless eyes. He's been waiting decades just to beat the crap out of Layla, since with all she knew, she could have warned them, and tried to prevent all the horrors that have happened since she left.

As Layla explains, it doesn't work that way. Obviously, if she could use her power to really prevent things from happening as they do, wouldn't she have stopped herself from being thrown in the camp, tattooed, shaven, labelled and dehumanized? She actually asks him to kill her to end her ability to know what's to come. She's had enough.

Scott realizes how wrong he is, and reaches down to console her. Then, they have to make sure there's no time paradox. They have to take the picture of Layla, there, in the future, that somehow, Layla returns with to the past to give Cyclops. Of course, much to Cyke and Ruby's surprise, even Layla doesn't know how she gets home, but she's not too worried about it.

Cyke gives Layla some clothes more like what she used to wear (red and black striped socks and all), and she tells Ruby, despite that she's 70, and remained in her ruby form all those years, that it's time, she's needed. She has to go to New York City and save a mutant named Linqon.

Ruby asks why she should risk the life that her and her father have hiding in Atlantic City, but scott tells her, what they have isn't a real life. Ruby says she already knew, she just wanted Cyclops to realize it too, eventually.

New York City, that night:

As the president discusses with the people of America, via television broadcast, that yes, "Operation: Purity" does exist, and it will begin, starting now, with Sentinels brought out into Times Square to bring in any who oppose it (and there are a lot of protesters there). The protesters stand firm, despite the intimidation tactics of their own government.

Suddenly, from a rooftop nearby, an energy blast rings out that pierces the head of one of the Sentinels. On the roof is Ruby, along with Dwayne, who's firing an energy cannon. They speak to the croud, and announce that today, they're rebelling, both human and mutant, against the oppressive government regime that's trampling their rights. They take their fight to the streets, and the mob begins to overpower government troops and Sentinels alike.

Dwayne ends up fighting back to back on a car with Linqon, with Ruby not far off. It seems Layla's wishes were carried out. And, for her part, she casually walks along amongst the tumult, keeping a diary, noting that now she's unsure of what comes next. In her diary, she writes she doesn't like not knowing. It makes her too much like everyone else. Which, she doesn't want to be like everyone else. She's having too good a time being Layla Miller, and knowing stuff.

Thoughts:
The art by DeLandro is rather nice. Ruby, in particular, has a fascinating character design. Future Cyborg-clops is something shocking to behold.

Honestly, I'm going to tell you, I left a lot of the personality out of this book in my review, because PAD's nuances are great, and I don't want to spoil them. Layla has a lot of great stories, and metaphors, regarding all of the things she "knows" will happen. That's all I'll say about it.

Great read. 8.5/10

[wolvie616]

YAY LAYlA!

what i wnat to know is, why is cyclops alive and x23, wolverine, mystique, and others with retarded aging alive? i wnat an answer marvel!!!

but still a gre.at story, definetly getting it when my shop restocks!

[Kid Icarus]

Sounds lovely
my stupid store didnt have it
bleh

[timbox]

Where's the link to the song? :frown:

[wolvie616]

Where's the link to the song? :frown:

here ya go:biggrin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDo9t53eb1s

[worstblogever]

YAY LAYlA!

what i wnat to know is, why is cyclops alive and x23, wolverine, mystique, and others with retarded aging alive? i wnat an answer marvel!!!


In dead, or imprisoned somewhere, I'd imagine.

Where's the link to the song? :frown:

Sorry, it was just to set the move while I did the entry. :frown:

[DeniseXfrost]

A scan of Ruby would be much appreciated.

[worstblogever]

A scan of Ruby would be much appreciated.

Alright, but if my lady ever leaves me, I'm calling in a marker for sexual favors.

[DeniseXfrost]

Alright, but if my lady ever leaves me, I'm calling in a marker for sexual favors.
I'm not usually that cheap, but what the heck :tongue:

[timbox]

Ruby is already cooler than Cyclops.

[worstblogever]

I'm not usually that cheap, but what the heck :tongue:

I'll let you know where to put that tongue if and when the time comes. :redface:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/badassruby.jpg

I'd say she inherited her mom's hair, and some of her fashion sense.

[NeoStar9X]

So she's still stuck in the possible future then? That sucks. Is this a one shot or an actual mini?

[wolvie616]

I'll let you know where to put that tongue if and when the time comes. :redface:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/badassruby.jpg

I'd say she inherited her mom's hair, and some of her fashion sense.

she would be awsomer if she wasnt spawn of emma

[DeniseXfrost]

I'll let you know where to put that tongue if and when the time comes. :redface:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/badassruby.jpg

I'd say she inherited her mom's hair, and some of her fashion sense.
How come she didn't wear white suit? :biggrin: Thanks !

WBE you're giving me x-rated thought.

[worstblogever]

So she's still stuck in the possible future then? That sucks. Is this a one shot or an actual mini?

One-Shot.

she would be awsomer if she wasnt spawn of emma

She'd kill you for talkin' bout her mama.

[worstblogever]

How come she didn't wear white suit? :biggrin: Thanks !

WBE you're giving me x-rated thought.

Why not wear a white suit? Because she's a rebel, that's why.

And if I'm giving you X-rated thoughts, feel free to PM them to me in detail, with visual aids, if you must. :cool:

[DeniseXfrost]

She'd kill you for talkin' bout her mama.
She does look hardcore. I'd like to see her in 616 but that would be too much like the whole rachel grey/Cable fiasco.

[wolvie616]

She'd kill you for talkin' bout her mama.


the truth must be told!:biggrin:

[DeniseXfrost]

Why not wear a white suit? Because she's a rebel, that's why.

And if I'm giving you X-rated thoughts, feel free to PM them to me in detail, with visual aids, if you must. :cool:
hehe you can ask timbox for the visual aid :tongue: I pmed him once.

[worstblogever]

She does look hardcore. I'd like to see her in 616 but that would be too much like the whole rachel grey/Cable fiasco.

Yeah, but she apparently is hardcore. She's 70 years old, looks that fine, and will lead the Summers Rebellion, it seems.

[XaviersMisprint]

i thought this issue was incredible, and i usually think layla miller is annoying. i'm glad wolverine and others weren't in it. ruby is a great character already, i like her a lot! summers rebellion :)

layla is very clever. she's interesting and it touched my heart a bit when she was crying into cyclop's chest. :')

[timbox]

hehe you can ask timbox for the visual aid :tongue: I pmed him once.

I'm willing to share.

[worstblogever]

I'm willing to share.

I'm scared.


Send it anyway. :redface:

[wolvie616]

i thought this issue was incredible, and i usually think layla miller is annoying. i'm glad wolverine and others weren't in it. ruby is a great character already, i like her a lot! summers rebellion :)

layla is very clever. she's interesting and it touched my heart a bit when she was crying into cyclop's chest. :')

ok thats it

MUST GET!!!

[DeniseXfrost]

I'm willing to share.
Please do spread the love.
Yeah, but she apparently is hardcore. She's 70 years old, looks that fine, and will lead the Summers Rebellion, it seems.
I'm guessing she was born in that form?

[wolvie616]

I'm guessing she was born in that form?


that would make most sense

[NeoStar9X]

she would be awsomer if she wasnt spawn of emma

Was thinking the same thing. Ugh.

[worstblogever]

Please do spread the love.

I'm guessing she was born in that form?

No, she says she was named "Ruby" at Layla's suggestion from the past before she ever developed that form.

She's kept it for decades, and she says she doesn't know what her real body would be like if she changed back.

[DeniseXfrost]

No, she says she was named "Ruby" at Layla's suggestion from the past before she ever developed that form.

She's kept it for decades, and she says she doesn't know what her real body would be like if she changed back.
K thanks, I'm so buying it. This is just a one shot thing right? Are there going to be any more issues?

[worstblogever]

K thanks, I'm so buying it. This is just a one shot thing right? Are there going to be any more issues?

Officially, as of now? No. But I bet if Marvel thought there was enough demand, they'd write the Summers Rebellion into a series.

If it brings $$$ to them, they'll put a creative team on it, STAT. I mean, they're doing Civil War: House of M, right? :redface:

[DeniseXfrost]

I mean, they're doing Civil War: House of M, right? :redface:
Woo that's an effing long gap lol.

[Bingo!]

Please do spread the love.

I'm guessing she was born in that form?

Nope, she's named Ruby before her namesake manifests. It's explained in the book...

... which is full of win! I'm still in awe that Layla is a by-product of HoM, yet has become a fascinating character under PAD. She has everything you want in a hero. Mysterious origin, wit, time-traveled, a cognizant pawn in a larger game... and now she's revealed to be the catalyst for the Summer Rebellion. Hot stuff. Wish this was more than just a one-shot.

[Anna]

I wonder when Ruby will be born.

[lockerogue]

Ruby is a fun character. It will be funny if she turns out not to be Emma's child though.

[cgar]

wow Ruby is badass and hot. she's so much cooler then scotts kids from X-men: the end. very cool character design. so what future is cable in right now. wouldnt he have known about her

[Anna]

Depowered mutants welcome? Oh, the possibilities....

[jarrod]

Ugh, Ruby stole Rachel's Reload hair too! There's no justice! :mad:


Still, I a bit in love...

[drwho]

I loved this book until Cyclops and his horrid offspring appeared. Its like it turned into the Cyclops hour. Took the lime light away from Layla. That part was pretty meh. Not some of Pads best work, but I did think the satellite part was awesome.

[Callie]

I think this only adds fuel to certain CBR members' theories about Emma being pregnant.

[mosdef]

I love Layala, can't wait till she gets back to the present. Are there any plans for a story of the other future that the other dupe went to in MC?

[ClanAskani]

Overall, this was pretty good, but I agree that it took a downward turn when Ruby showed up.

I guess after all the speculation about which Summers is responsible for the Summers Rebellion, I hate that an Emma hellspawn has to be involved.

[CMBMOOL]

I wonder when Ruby will be born.Ruby is a fun character. It will be funny if she turns out not to be Emma's child though.
Why do I have this weird feeling that this is what going to happen in Uncanny X-men coming up soon.

[Trey]

This was a great issue. I love it when Dystopia is done right. A new reader would even enjoy it, but a long time X reader? Mana.

Ruby was certainly awesome. David really structures the story real well.

What indications are there that this is Emma's child?

[drwho]

What exactly happened to Layla at the end when she was having a nervous breakdown? Is she still in that time, or did they send her back? That ending was iffy.

[worstblogever]

What exactly happened to Layla at the end when she was having a nervous breakdown? Is she still in that time, or did they send her back? That ending was iffy.

It really wasn't. She doesn't know how she's getting home, and she was seemingly blissfully wading over dead or unconscious government forces as the Summers Rebellion started. She's clearly still in that time, and isn't having any kind of a breakdown. She's accepting of what fate has in store for her, but for the first time, it's not so certain. As frustrating as it is for her to know, and not be able to change it, she likes knowing, because it makes her feel special.

[ThreeDays]

What indications are there that this is Emma's child?

The ruby form, since Emma has a diamond one. Since mutant children of mutant parents are often depicted with similar mutations, optic blasts + a jeweled form + the knowledge that Cyclops is Ruby's father + the knowledge that Cyclops is currently dating Emma in the present all point to this being their child.


This was a fantastic issue. Well worth the wait.

[Anna]

The ruby form, since Emma has a diamond one. Since mutant children of mutant parents are often depicted with similar mutations, optic blasts + a jeweled form + the knowledge that Cyclops is Ruby's father + the knowledge that Cyclops is currently dating Emma in the present all point to this being their child.


This was a fantastic issue. Well worth the wait.

The thought of Emma and Scott having a child who will play a major role in the X-Men's future causes Jean's fans physical pain.

[Peter F.]

The thought of Emma and Scott having a child who will play a major role in the X-Men's future causes Jean's fans physical pain.

Possible future. Jean can change it, she has the power.

[Anna]

Possible future. Jean can change it, she has the power.

Changing futures just creates more alternate futures.

[Alphaxman]

I really like the issue and it made me warm up to Layla.


But I loved Ruby and this is coming from a big fan of Rachel. I think the two of them would get along smashingly. Her visual is great with the shiny red skin and plantium blonde hair. I bet Emma would kill to be able to look as great as she does at 70.


It’s funny that Scott has this big dysfunctional family with three badies momas (two if you think that Ray is just Jean’s daughter with no help from Scott).

[MuhollandDriver]

Not much else to add...wonderful issue..reminds me of how great X-titles can be...Ruby is quite a find.....and Layla is a keeper :)

[Henry T.]

The thought of Emma and Scott having a child who will play a major role in the X-Men's future causes Jean's fans physical pain.

Theres a lot of us Jean fans that prefer Scott and Emma together and would rather there be Scott/Emma children or alternate reality/future children than any more of Scott/Jean children.

[MuhollandDriver]

Theres a lot of us Jean fans that prefer Scott and Emma together and would rather there be Scott/Emma children or alternate reality/future children than any more of Scott/Jean children.

Ruby is exciting and very cool :) i agree with this.

Besides....let's give Jean a better future. No more Scott baggage.

[lockerogue]

Ruby is not Emma's baby. Its Colleen Wing's child. Scott wasn't really setting up a crib in 501. He was with Colleen doing naughty things with her.

[DeniseXfrost]

Ruby is exciting and very cool :) i agree with this.
I want to know more about her. Did she also have telepathy before her permanent transformation? Did she have any more siblings? What was her relationship between her mother like? She was obviously closer to her dad.

[gorthon616]

Theres a lot of us Jean fans that prefer Scott and Emma together and would rather there be Scott/Emma children or alternate reality/future children than any more of Scott/Jean children.

You know, all despotic futures involve one of Scott's kids. Maybe if Scott has a Vasectomy mutantkind will be saved.

[podmark]

I liked it. Art was far superior to the regular X-Factor this week. Can't wait for Layla to return.

[lockerogue]

I want to know more about her. Did she also have telepathy before her permanent transformation? Did she have any more siblings? What was her relationship between her mother like? She was obviously closer to her dad.

No. No. Colleen dropped off Ruby at the doorstep of the X-Base as Colleen had a hot date with Misty.

[HeckBoy]

I'll let you know where to put that tongue if and when the time comes. :redface:

I'd say she inherited her mom's hair, and some of her fashion sense.Wasn't Emma born a brunette? Or are they just running with the concept that she's always been a natural blonde?

[Daithi]

So speculation that Emma is pregnant in Uncanny could be right? Interesting.

[ExodusCloak]

I don't think so, so no mention of what the Messiah Baby did then? Or is the Messiah Baby actually Ruby who has a chameleon like mutant ability and a dye job.

[Jeff-X]

Wasn't Emma born a brunette? Or are they just running with the concept that she's always been a natural blonde?

Havok is blonde, so the hair could come from Cyclops' genes.

[Peter F.]

Havok is blonde, so the hair could come from Cyclops' genes.

And I believe Emma's brother Christian was blonde as well.

[ExodusCloak]

Havok is blonde, so the hair could come from Cyclops' genes.

Adrienne Frost and Christian Frost are blonde as well.

[DeniseXfrost]

...Heck, even the cuckoos are Blonde.

[worstblogever]

Yeah, we might be overthinking this a bit. Between recessive genes on both the Frost, and Summers sides, not to mention hair dyes, she can be Emma's kid. Trying to rule it out of possibility by hair color is moot.

[timbox]

I hope she fires an optic blast through her ruby hand which causes it to scatter all over the place and take out multiple enemies at once.

Or is she made out of the same material as Cyclops's glasses and the optic blast can't pass through it?

[worstblogever]

I hope she fires an optic blast through her ruby hand which causes it to scatter all over the place and take out multiple enemies at once.

Or is she made out of the same material as Cyclops's glasses and the optic blast can't pass through it?

They don't say if she's ruby, or ruby quartz, actually, so we don't know.

Although, the idea of her stopping the blast via a game of peek-a-boo would be nice.

[Peter F.]

I hope she fires an optic blast through her ruby hand which causes it to scatter all over the place and take out multiple enemies at once.

The last time someone tried that innocent fish were endangered. Why won't anyone think of the fish?

[timbox]

The last time someone tried that innocent fish were endangered. Why won't anyone think of the fish?

The only reason anyone cared about those stupid fish is because Bachalo made them so adorable looking. Fish are pretty expendable.

[Peter F.]

The only reason anyone cared about those stupid fish is because Bachalo made them so adorable looking. Fish are pretty expendable.

Even Sammy the Squidboy?

[CMBMOOL]

Why do I get the feeling that this "Ruby" character may be a hint of things to come within the Uncanny X-men series ? :frown:

[Charybdis4]

While Ruby looks cool, the thought of Emma & Scott having a kid fills my mouth with sick.......

Still I suppose when Jean comes back, it'll make a good story with her having to accept that Scott moved on (in about 000000.000 seconds after her death) & she'll never have a family with him. Sad - but a good story.

I just hope she wasn't conceived while the 2 of them were shagging on her grave!

[Daithi]

Still I suppose when Jean comes back, it'll make a good story with her having to accept that Scott moved on (in about 000000.000 seconds after her death) & she'll never have a family with him. Sad - but a good story.


Didn't Jean make Scott move on anyway? She gave him a psychic "shove" and knows if she didn't Scott would be a lonely old hermit.

[Charybdis4]

Didn't Jean make Scott move on anyway? She gave him a psychic "shove" and knows if she didn't Scott would be a lonely old hermit.

Sort of - but she did it for him & put her own feelings aside. You can tell that by the end of Phoenix Endsong when Jean & the Phoenix are talking & the Phoenix realises the emotions she feels for Scott are Jean's. Jean's reply is a simple "....." which is clear indicator that she still loves him but knows she has to move on.

Still it would be a major kick in the teeth to find out that your supposed soul mate has had a child with another women.

And as for Cyclops being a lonely old hermit:eek: :eek: :eek: Come on!! If Emma wasn't around, old "Sexclops" would have been splashing on the aftershave & searching for his next conquest!

[AcesX1X]

I just think its weird how Cyclops is so intent on getting Emma pregnant...but man he was with Jean for years and didn't push the issue.

Do you think it's a chemical thing? pheremones? Is Emma putting off some scent that Jean didn't? and that's what makes Scott want to saddle her with a ruby?

[Your Imaginary Pal]

The Latest issue of Uncanny says the mutants are hopeful because of this first mutant birth and are working hard to add to the hope of the future of the species. This discussion takes place between jean & scott for a few pages.
So RUby is a possible future to be realized, and it looks like she may grow up with scott, and not be snatched away into the future and raised by warwolves askani or some other bizzare nannies.

[tornshattered]

I think Emma might still be alive in the future, since her diamond form does not need neither food, nor water. She might not be able to age... I read in some interview that Layla will be back in X-Factor.
Maybe Ruby is the Messiah-Baby?

[Pro]

Maybe Ruby is the Messiah-Baby?

Think that one through for a second.
That would make Ruby the one who kills 1 million people in 6 seconds.
Likely? Not particularly.

[Pro]

it looks like she may grow up with scott

Kids in marvel don't grow up. :p.

[jarrod]

Kids in marvel don't grow up. :p.
They do if they go to the future and/or other dimensions (Illyana, Cable, Kylun).

[Pro]

They do if they go to the future and/or other dimensions (Illyana, Cable, Kylun).

Sure but i was responding to this:

So RUby is a possible future to be realized, and it looks like she may grow up with scott, and not be snatched away into the future and raised by warwolves askani or some other bizzare nannies.

So Ruby will stay a kid forever and ever if that will be the case. :)

[darknessatnoon]

I just want to remind everyone that I called it: the Summers were puppets and Layla was the MAN.

[Swashbuckler]

I just want to remind everyone that I called it: the Summers were puppets and Layla was the MAN.

This was such a great comic. Layla was so down beaten at the begininng that I felt so bad for her. and seeing her break down and cry in front of robo-scott was so weird and herat melting. Layla is a fantastic character and it's so interesting that she's the start of the Summer's rebellion. I am truely hoping that Emma and Scott really have Ruby in our time and I'll love when Layla tells them what they have to name her. Emma will probably bitch about it. Maybe Ruby is born in Ruby form and that's how Emma dies. How painful for Emma.

[darknessatnoon]

This was such a great comic. Layla was so down beaten at the begininng that I felt so bad for her. and seeing her break down and cry in front of robo-scott was so weird and herat melting. Layla is a fantastic character and it's so interesting that she's the start of the Summer's rebellion. I am truely hoping that Emma and Scott really have Ruby in our time and I'll love when Layla tells them what they have to name her. Emma will probably bitch about it. Maybe Ruby is born in Ruby form and that's how Emma dies. How painful for Emma.

I loved it all.

I disagreed with her crying, though. A bitch doesn't cry in the workplace. Layla should have controlled herself.

[timbox]

I loved it all.

I disagreed with her crying, though. A bitch doesn't cry in the workplace. Layla should have controlled herself.

I felt that way also. She should have told off Cyclops.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Sure but i was responding to this:



So Ruby will stay a kid forever and ever if that will be the case. :)

I give you that Pro, but wouldn't it be great seeing a little Ruby crawling around San Francisco, getting into all sorts of trouble, she could be like Jack Jack in the Incredibles, that's just the charm the X-Books need.

Yeah Comic book time is odd, women can have full term pregnancies and give birth, but after that the kids don't age...
The women should be perpetually pregnant like the cop's wife in family guy.

[DeniseXfrost]

This was such a great comic. Layla was so down beaten at the begininng that I felt so bad for her. and seeing her break down and cry in front of robo-scott was so weird and herat melting. Layla is a fantastic character and it's so interesting that she's the start of the Summer's rebellion. I am truely hoping that Emma and Scott really have Ruby in our time and I'll love when Layla tells them what they have to name her. Emma will probably bitch about it. Maybe Ruby is born in Ruby form and that's how Emma dies. How painful for Emma.
Duh Emma is biologically capable of producing jewelries.

[Peter F.]

I give you that Pro, but wouldn't it be great seeing a little Ruby crawling around San Francisco, getting into all sorts of trouble, she could be like Jack Jack in the Incredibles, that's just the charm the X-Books need.

Yeah Comic book time is odd, women can have full term pregnancies and give birth, but after that the kids don't age...
The women should be perpetually pregnant like the cop's wife in family guy.

I find it hilarious that Franklin Richards was born decades ago and he's still 12.

[jarrod]

Duh Emma is biologically capable of producing jewelries.
She poops them.

[ExodusCloak]

She poops them.

Diamond Blood, Diamond Ear Wax, Diamond Spit.
Can she really excrete in her Diamond Form?

[Peter F.]

Diamond Blood, Diamond Ear Wax, Diamond Spit.
Can she really excrete in her Diamond Form?

She should try to see if she can put out her hair or clip her nails. She's a walking goldmine.

[jmc247]

Officially, as of now? No. But I bet if Marvel thought there was enough demand, they'd write the Summers Rebellion into a series.

If it brings $$$ to them, they'll put a creative team on it, STAT. I mean, they're doing Civil War: House of M, right? :redface:

Yes, comics get made either when there is a writer with a lot of power at Marvel that pushes for a certain story to get told or when Marvel realizes there is alot of fan interest in a certain storyline and then finds a writer and artist to tell the story.

CW House of M was a case of Marvel editors coming to the writer and saying because of fan interest we want this story told.

[streator]

there was a story (more or less) about this a few years ago:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues...p?fldAuto=1142

edit: i'll ask again- does anyone have a scan of cyclops from this issue?

thanks in advance.

[ExodusCloak]

there was a story (more or less) about this a few years ago:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1142

I have that issue, that was genetically done though. You had Diamond Tigers and Mosquitos and plants and a Diamond Palace.
'Twas a pretty good story IMO.

[Novaya Havoc]

I really liked this issue. It got a little "..." around the Ruby parts, but Layla was a great protagonist to follow throughout.

PAD really is amazing at writing her.

Mad props.

[DeniseXfrost]

Just got it.

This is so amazing. It gave me chill after reading it. Ruby is just awesome and Layla <3 so sad.

[Anna]

That scan of Ruby reminds me of Quitely's Emma.

[Mitsaso]

We need Layla to get back to the present STAT!

Just look how awesome her one-shot was, and imagine her back in X-Factor... sigh...

make it quick PAD!!!

[FemGeek]

Loved it! It just read so smoothly, even at the kinda odd Ruby and Cyke parts. I've missed Layla and her quirks and her knowledge of stuff.

[Kid Icarus]

Ruby Is So Hot

[frog]

I loved it all.

I disagreed with her crying, though. A bitch doesn't cry in the workplace. Layla should have controlled herself.

Layla knows stuff. She knew that crying was exactly what she needed to do to make Cyclops get over himself.

[Squidboy]

32 Pages of Awesomeness, that's what they should've titled this book, though X-Factor: Layla Miller worked just fine. I'd almost forgotten how awesome she can be, and even though X-Factor is still holding its own without her for now, I can't wait to see her return to the present again. For now, I hope Ruby keeps our girl safe, and Dwayne keeps his hands to himself, because we don't need another time-travelling character with a metal arm, and we sure as hell don't need Layla to come back knocked up with the explanation of "Stuff happened in the future", even if I'd like to see how her teammates react to it.

[HeckBoy]

I just think its weird how Cyclops is so intent on getting Emma pregnant...but man he was with Jean for years and didn't push the issue.

Do you think it's a chemical thing? pheremones? Is Emma putting off some scent that Jean didn't? and that's what makes Scott want to saddle her with a ruby?I can picture it now, if Emma got pregnant. She'd be the angriest, most surly pregnant woman ever. And you know she'd let Scott have it for doing it to her too. :tongue:

[Push You Down]

Wow.. Ruby looks like shat. Seriously. She just has red shiny skin?

Lame.

[Squidboy]

Wow.. Ruby looks like shat. Seriously. She just has red shiny skin?

Lame.

She inherited her mother's diamond powers, though that crossed with Scott's powers somehow to give her both powers at once. She stays in that form because it doesn't require her to eat or drink and she's fairly certain she would die if she reverted to human form.

[WishIKnewStuff]

I can't really place why, but the thought of Emma Frost being pregnant bothers me on soooo many levels

[darknessatnoon]

I can't really place why, but the thought of Emma Frost being pregnant bothers me on soooo many levels

It is a biological impossibility, unless surgery in the Marvel Universe is a lot more advanced than I ever thought.

[Squidboy]

I can't really place why, but the thought of Emma Frost being pregnant bothers me on soooo many levels

That bothers you, but having her eggs stolen and made into an army of Cuckoos doesn't? I can't imagine Emma being pregnant, but I wouldn't completely rule it out, especially since in comicbook terms, she probably wouldn't even have to go to full-term with the baby, and it would grow up to be her age within a matter of months.

[WishIKnewStuff]

Well actually that makes sense. There is no way Emma can still be fertile after being robbed of thousands of her eggs. And I don't want to hear that "only a few hundred eggs where taken and the other thousand Cuckoos are copies" crap from Marvel.

Actually maybe only the main five are actually her eggs since they'rer the important ones and all the others are copies but that would sadden me.

[frog]

Maybe even Marvel has decided to ignore that particular story.

[Squidboy]

That's why the Cuckoos need to interrupt Scott and Emma having sex and say in unison "Mommy, why don't you love us? Why don't you acknowledge us anymore?"

[ClanAskani]

I can't see Emma getting pregnant to begin with. She doesn't seem to be the mommy type. Scott may want to have a family, but I don't see him and Emma settling down with kids (no matter what Claremont wrote in The End). So I totally don't buy Ruby as a character. (And I'm just biased because I want Scott & Jean kids to be the ultimate Summerses.)

[sephirothskiller]

Maaaan. I just finished this and it was all sorts of awesome. I never forgot that Layla was awesome, but I forgot just how awesome she was. This really shows that PAD needs to get Layla to X-Factor stat, along with an artist who can actually draw. Ruby is cool, but I don' t see how she can work in the current timestream.

[Squidboy]

Maaaan. I just finished this and it was all sorts of awesome. I never forgot that Layla was awesome, but I forgot just how awesome she was. This really shows that PAD needs to get Layla to X-Factor stat, along with an artist who can actually draw. Ruby is cool, but I don' t see how she can work in the current timestream.

DeLandro is at least filling in for issue 37, so that's a start. I can't agree more about Layla returning, though.

[drwho]

I think Ruby as a separate character in maybe a What if book and not in Layla's one shot is a kind of cool idea. I mean her mother turns into diamonds and her dad shoots eye rays and wears ruby quartz glasses. In some odd way this mutation actually makes sense to me.

[AdamYJ]

Okay, so they explained what "The Summers Rebellion" is. Now, can they please tell us how Jubilation Lee (currently depowered) became regarded as "The Last X-Man". And don't even get me started on The Witness.

I'm probably forgetting some key parts of Bishop's future-lore here, as well as what has and hasn't been expanded upon.

[NeoStar9X]

Is Layla going back to X-Factor at all?

[Squidboy]

Okay, so they explained what "The Summers Rebellion" is. Now, can they please tell us how Jubilation Lee (currently depowered) became regarded as "The Last X-Man". And don't even get me started on The Witness.

I'm probably forgetting some key parts of Bishop's future-lore here, as well as what has and hasn't been expanded upon.

Her breast implants probably gave her some extra super powers.

Is Layla going back to X-Factor at all?

PAD has said she will return in many different interviews, but it doesn't look like she'll be back in the immediate future.

[The Black Guardian]

Is Layla going back to X-Factor at all?
PAD says yes, eventually.

As for Ruby, I actually liked her, which surprises me, since I hate her parents more than anything else. She had an awesome look, great powers.

Anyway, MU science is advanced to the point where one doesn't really need Emma to get pregnant. But what would Emma do if she actually got pregnant? Women can actually produce eggs after adulthood. Would she abort? How are you going to save the "race" if you do that?

[Trey]

Diamond Blood, Diamond Ear Wax, Diamond Spit.
Can she really excrete in her Diamond Form?

I'm submitting this to the X-editors. Along with the following questions:

Does Wolverine poop in the woods? And if no one sees or smells it, did it really happen? Maybe in an alternate time-line? Can it prevent mutant extinction? By "it", I mean Wolverine's poop (healing factor, you know)

[Pyro]

Maaaan. I just finished this and it was all sorts of awesome. I never forgot that Layla was awesome, but I forgot just how awesome she was. This really shows that PAD needs to get Layla to X-Factor stat, along with an artist who can actually draw. Ruby is cool, but I don' t see how she can work in the current timestream.I agree with everything you said. For me, it was one thing to know Layla is awesome, it's another to see her casually avoid space junk falling from the sky as it kills everyone else in the vicinity. Talk about awesome. It was also cool when she knew the cops were going to hit the car, and when she started the Operation: Purity rumor. I totally gushed all over this issue. Not literally. I just loved it so much.

It pains me so much to see her in such hard times, but that girl is a survivor. And she had quite a few victories in this issue. I can't wait until she comes back home.

[The Black Guardian]

Does Wolverine poop in the woods? And if no one sees or smells it, did it really happen? Maybe in an alternate time-line? Can it prevent mutant extinction? By "it", I mean Wolverine's poop (healing factor, you know)
I've heard a rumour that Wolverine's poop doesn't stink, since there's no bacteria around after his system gets done with it. (I do wonder how his digestion works without bacteria to help break it down sometimes... cuz I'm a nerd like that)

There's another rumour going around that Wolverine is actually poop that regrew into a whole 'nuther Wolverine, but no matter how crappy he gets, I won't believe that.

[Omega Alpha]

Great stuff (pun intended). Better than the X-factor issue. And makes me miss Layla even more.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Even Sammy the Squidboy?

Looove Sammy.

Yes, comics get made either when there is a writer with a lot of power at Marvel that pushes for a certain story to get told or when Marvel realizes there is alot of fan interest in a certain storyline and then finds a writer and artist to tell the story.

CW House of M was a case of Marvel editors coming to the writer and saying because of fan interest we want this story told.

Well we should voice ourselves and see if we can get an X-Factor: Layla Miller series! De Landro (the guy is really good) can draw it, PAD can write it, and that way people who dislike Stroman can be happy with this series, and the rest of us can enjoy the regular X-Factor series. I'd buy both.

Seriously, did anyone else notice that "One-shot" was not written on the cover under the issue number in the same way that it was written on the Quicksilver issue (and basically every other one-shot)? Editorial oversight, or was this intentionally left open so that further stories of Layla could be told?

[Spiffy]

I agree with everything you said. For me, it was one thing to know Layla is awesome, it's another to see her casually avoid space junk falling from the sky as it kills everyone else in the vicinity. Talk about awesome. It was also cool when she knew the cops were going to hit the car, and when she started the Operation: Purity rumor. I totally gushed all over this issue. Not literally. I just loved it so much.

It pains me so much to see her in such hard times, but that girl is a survivor. And she had quite a few victories in this issue. I can't wait until she comes back home.
What I appreciated, and what Peter David deserves the biggest props for, is getting past the "she's just a weird kid" vibe with Layla and showing that in some ways she's utterly terrifying. She's a vulnerable (and even tattooed still) cute kid, but also the Boogey(wo)man all rolled up into one. She can't do ANYTHING, and yet in some ways is capable of almost anything, all at the same time.

The hardest thing to wrap your mind around is that she's also helpless herself. She can't CAUSE anything to happen, heck you can't even argue that she's leveraging what she knows will happen, because even HER reactions are pre-determined. But she projects this befuddling aura of mystery which muddies that to the outside observer.

[I Shot Devilot™]

Anyone remember Wolfsbane freaking out because she had a vision of Jamie Madrox and Layla being married... but she ran in on their honeymoon and slaughtered them? That "M" Tattooed on their faces is for "Marriage."

Does lead to some interesting points, though. Layla's coming back, just not sure when. Sounds like it'll be a happier time, though. And if Layla's hanging around the Summers' folks, there should be more unity in the X-World, as well. Mmmmmm. Adult Layla Miller. Makes my mouth water.

But... where will that leave Theresa? Peter David is the MAN!

Oh and could someone get that new artist off X-Factor, please?

[nikbackm]

Anyone remember Wolfsbane freaking out because she had a vision of Jamie Madrox and Layla being married... but she ran in on their honeymoon and slaughtered them? That "M" Tattooed on their faces is for "Marriage."

Does lead to some interesting points, though. Layla's coming back, just not sure when. Sounds like it'll be a happier time, though. And if Layla's hanging around the Summers' folks, there should be more unity in the X-World, as well. Mmmmmm. Adult Layla Miller. Makes my mouth water.

But... where will that leave Theresa? Peter David is the MAN!

Oh and could someone get that new artist off X-Factor, please?

Does anyone think we will actually get to see this happen before the X-titles changes creative team and/or direction again?

[Slung]

Does anyone think we will actually get to see this happen before the X-titles changes creative team and/or direction again?

They change what, every year or so? Probably not. Wish they would just keep a team on a book for a long period of time (and then stop screwing around with it when they've got something good going ie: Carey and Bachalo/C&C and Skottie Young).

[Quinnhop]

I love Ruby.

I hope Emma gets knocked up soon, so she can be born.

And I'd love a mini that takes place in that alternate future. So much potential.

[ThreeDays]

Okay, so they explained what "The Summers Rebellion" is. Now, can they please tell us how Jubilation Lee (currently depowered) became regarded as "The Last X-Man". And don't even get me started on The Witness.

I'm probably forgetting some key parts of Bishop's future-lore here, as well as what has and hasn't been expanded upon.

I think you remembered all the key points other than Forge becoming "Genesis," but that was supposed to happen after the Summers Rebellion anyway. The long and short of the answers to your questions are that there weren't really any answers at the time concepts like the Summers Rebellion were first mentioned, and whatever answers we get are unavoidably going to be in conflict with what was known before.

For instance: It seems somewhat implausible that Bishop's future should have ever existed if Cable's future ever existed, even though Bishop's came earlier. I say that because Cable's future was supposed to be the result of Apocalypse gaining the powers of a Celestial at the turn of the millenium and conquering everything.

However, how is it that he was supposed to do that if several of the mutants he needed to power the Celestial Circuit (Iceman, Storm, Cyclops and Phoenix) were going to have been killed years earlier by Onslaught, and another of those mutants (Xavier) was Onslaught himself? Due to all this, Apocalypse probably shouldn't have been able to activate the Celestial Circuit and there probably should have never been an Askani timeline.

I can give a pass to Nate Grey's body being involved in The Twelve storyline — even though it's unlikely the AoA would have ever been undone in the first place without Bishop's presence — since Apocalypse didn't absolutely need it. It would have just given him a body he didn't need to replace, and since he still needed new bodies in Cable's future, it would seem he hadn't gotten Nate Grey's when he ascended at the turn of the millenium.

In any case, how is it that Apocalypse was able to use the Celestial Circuit in the first place if Bishop was one of the required mutants to complete the circuit and wouldn't have been around? At least six of the mutants that Apocalypse needed (Bishop, Xavier, Phoenix, Storm, Cyclops and Iceman) should have been dead or in another era, and most of those six aren't easily replaced.

It's also highly unlikely that Mikhail Rasputin would have been available under these circumstances. So that makes seven out of twelve beyond reach. Utterly unbelievable.

Now, the Summers Rebellion: If that was supposed to have been started by Scott and Ruby Summers, how is that even possible when Scott was killed by Onslaught years before he ever even become involved with Emma Frost?

Really, the matter of how Jubilee fits in as the "Last X-Man" (when Forge is still running around as Genesis after the Summers Rebellion that involved Cyclops — even though he wasn't supposed to have been alive) is the least of matters that need reconciling.

The last time anything related to Bishop's timeline made any sense was Onslaught: X-Men, when the historical deaths of the X-Men were prevented by Bishop.

All that said, I still loved this issue, but that's because it was well-written and because it's Layla.

[nikbackm]

I think you remembered all the key points other than Forge becoming "Genesis," but that was supposed to happen after the Summers Rebellion anyway. The long and short of the answers to your questions are that there weren't really any answers at the time concepts like the Summers Rebellion were first mentioned, and whatever answers we get are unavoidably going to be in conflict with what was known before.

For instance: It seems somewhat implausible that Bishop's future should have ever existed if Cable's future ever existed, even though Bishop's came earlier. I say that because Cable's future was supposed to be the result of Apocalypse gaining the powers of a Celestial at the turn of the millenium and conquering everything.

However, how is it that he was supposed to do that if several of the mutants he needed to power the Celestial Circuit (Iceman, Storm, Cyclops and Phoenix) were going to have been killed years earlier by Onslaught, and another of those mutants (Xavier) was Onslaught himself? Due to all this, Apocalypse probably shouldn't have been able to activate the Celestial Circuit and there probably should have never been an Askani timeline.

I can give a pass to Nate Grey's body being involved in The Twelve storyline — even though it's unlikely the AoA would have ever been undone in the first place without Bishop's presence — since Apocalypse didn't absolutely need it. It would have just given him a body he didn't need to replace, and since he still needed new bodies in Cable's future, it would seem he hadn't gotten Nate Grey's when he ascended at the turn of the millenium.

In any case, how is it that Apocalypse was able to use the Celestial Circuit in the first place if Bishop was one of the required mutants to complete the circuit and wouldn't have been around? At least six of the mutants that Apocalypse needed (Bishop, Xavier, Phoenix, Storm, Cyclops and Iceman) should have been dead or in another era, and most of those six aren't easily replaced.

It's also highly unlikely that Mikhail Rasputin would have been available under these circumstances. So that makes seven out of twelve beyond reach. Utterly unbelievable.

Now, the Summers Rebellion: If that was supposed to have been started by Scott and Ruby Summers, how is that even possible when Scott was killed by Onslaught years before he ever even become involved with Emma Frost?

Really, the matter of how Jubilee fits in as the "Last X-Man" (when Forge is still running around as Genesis after the Summers Rebellion that involved Cyclops — even though he wasn't supposed to have been alive) is the least of matters that need reconciling.

The last time anything related to Bishop's timeline made any sense was Onslaught: X-Men, when the historical deaths of the X-Men were prevented by Bishop.

All that said, I still loved this issue, but that's because it was well-written and because it's Layla.

Yes, but does not future alternative time-lines change (or diverge) all the time as the present changes? Bishop's future now is a whole lot different than it was in the late 80s/early 90s.

As for the Celestial circuit, could not Apocalypse have found some compatible replacements powers-wise, did it have to be those specific mutants?

[timbox]

Seriously, did anyone else notice that "One-shot" was not written on the cover under the issue number in the same way that it was written on the Quicksilver issue (and basically every other one-shot)? Editorial oversight, or was this intentionally left open so that further stories of Layla could be told?

I noticed this too, it was also labeled #1. If you look in the fine print on the title page, it does indeed say one-shot, though.

[Jeff-X]

I think you remembered all the key points other than Forge becoming "Genesis," but that was supposed to happen after the Summers Rebellion anyway. The long and short of the answers to your questions are that there weren't really any answers at the time concepts like the Summers Rebellion were first mentioned, and whatever answers we get are unavoidably going to be in conflict with what was known before.

For instance: It seems somewhat implausible that Bishop's future should have ever existed if Cable's future ever existed, even though Bishop's came earlier. I say that because Cable's future was supposed to be the result of Apocalypse gaining the powers of a Celestial at the turn of the millenium and conquering everything.

However, how is it that he was supposed to do that if several of the mutants he needed to power the Celestial Circuit (Iceman, Storm, Cyclops and Phoenix) were going to have been killed years earlier by Onslaught, and another of those mutants (Xavier) was Onslaught himself? Due to all this, Apocalypse probably shouldn't have been able to activate the Celestial Circuit and there probably should have never been an Askani timeline.

I can give a pass to Nate Grey's body being involved in The Twelve storyline — even though it's unlikely the AoA would have ever been undone in the first place without Bishop's presence — since Apocalypse didn't absolutely need it. It would have just given him a body he didn't need to replace, and since he still needed new bodies in Cable's future, it would seem he hadn't gotten Nate Grey's when he ascended at the turn of the millenium.

In any case, how is it that Apocalypse was able to use the Celestial Circuit in the first place if Bishop was one of the required mutants to complete the circuit and wouldn't have been around? At least six of the mutants that Apocalypse needed (Bishop, Xavier, Phoenix, Storm, Cyclops and Iceman) should have been dead or in another era, and most of those six aren't easily replaced.

It's also highly unlikely that Mikhail Rasputin would have been available under these circumstances. So that makes seven out of twelve beyond reach. Utterly unbelievable.

Now, the Summers Rebellion: If that was supposed to have been started by Scott and Ruby Summers, how is that even possible when Scott was killed by Onslaught years before he ever even become involved with Emma Frost?

Really, the matter of how Jubilee fits in as the "Last X-Man" (when Forge is still running around as Genesis after the Summers Rebellion that involved Cyclops — even though he wasn't supposed to have been alive) is the least of matters that need reconciling.

The last time anything related to Bishop's timeline made any sense was Onslaught: X-Men, when the historical deaths of the X-Men were prevented by Bishop.

All that said, I still loved this issue, but that's because it was well-written and because it's Layla.

I've been wondering about this stuff for years. Not to mention that the Summers' Rebellion happened before Bishop was born, originally at least. Best I can figure out is that the details change, but pretty much the same things keep happening alternate future after alternate future.

[tornshattered]

I've been wondering about this stuff for years. Not to mention that the Summers' Rebellion happened before Bishop was born, originally at least. Best I can figure out is that the details change, but pretty much the same things keep happening alternate future after alternate future.

Bishop lied!

[ThreeDays]

Yes, but does not future alternative time-lines change (or diverge) all the time as the present changes?

Sure, but when Bishop was in the future, even with Cable having come back to his original era as an adult (Jean mentions Cable in the original traitor tape way back in Uncanny X-Men #287), there existed the X.S.E. timeline and the Askani timeline, both as products of events in the '90s. Both men (in Cable #41) said that in their futures, the precise details of history were lost, but that they knew the late '90s were vital to creating or preventing their timelines.

Bishop's future now is a whole lot different than it was in the late 80s/early 90s.

Yeah, it's strange. The events that turned it into a hell hole must be different than what they originally were (it seems doubtful that there'd have been a House of M and then a Messiah Baby who would make a big mess in a time where the X-Men were dead at Onslaught's hands), but it's still a hell hole nonetheless. Even with what must be a completely different Summers Rebellion as well, everything is coming to pass more or less as it was before.

It's almost like time itself demands it.

As for the Celestial circuit, could not Apocalypse have found some compatible replacements powers-wise, did it have to be those specific mutants?

Sure, you could maybe find some replacements for Iceman and Storm (none come to mind at the moment, but I'm sure they're out there), and maybe even Mikhail Rasputin (Lila Cheney would probably work), but who are you going to replace Xavier, Cyclops, Bishop and Jean with?

I suppose it could be done. Exodus could maybe replace Xavier, and Psylocke (or maybe Emma Frost, if one of the two were still alive in a time where Onslaught killed the other X-Men) might be sufficient to replace Jean (I doubt it, but maybe; certainly wouldn't fulfill that need for a family unit or whatever Apocalypse was talking about, though), but if they were so easily replaced, my question is this:

Why was Apocalypse manipulating the X-Men with the prophecy of the Twelve for years in order to get those specific mutants gathered at the time he'd need them? Of course, that whole bit about the Twelve being trickery from Apocalypse was a crap development anyway, but the question remains.

Also, if Apocalypse rose to power at the turn of the century despite those X-Men being gone, where was he in Bishop's era?

I've been wondering about this stuff for years. Not to mention that the Summers' Rebellion happened before Bishop was born, originally at least.

Did it? I always thought it happened when he was a child. I think I remember Bishop and Shard discussing it in an issue of some limited series from way back when. I think it may have been the X.S.E. mini.

EDIT: Yeah, X.S.E. #1 indicates that the Summers Rebellion happened not too long after Bishop and Shard were born. That's why they were some of the last mutants branded with the M tattoo.

Best I can figure out is that the details change, but pretty much the same things keep happening alternate future after alternate future.

That's definitely how it looks. It's like in the Terminator film series: The Machines rise no matter what.

[pariah-1972]

Really really liked this:smile: i thought the artist was really great, tho there was one or two scenes that were kinda weird like the one where Cyclops slapped Layla it didn't really looked like he slapped her at all.

[pariah-1972]

Also would like to see more of this future with Layla and Ruby right now ! we need a mini or ongoing !! c'mon Peter you can dooo it :biggrin:

[Anna]

Don't forget that when last seen, Apocalypse was in the hands of the Celestials....

[Arrogantcur]

This was a good issue, however as seems to be human nature (or mine anyway) I'm going to first write about the bad.

Actually, there wasn't any bad in here. Just a few things which struck me as odd.

For one, the President saying "war is peace, hatred is acceptance" was just a little bit too blatant a reference to Orwell's 1984. I can't imagine anybody in any time period telling citizens that and expecting them to buy it. So if anything it was a taunt, and what purpose does that serve? You don't taunt people whom you are trying to con into believing what you'd like them to believe, because they will be less inclined to trust you.

Granted, having a Sentinel-thingy blast one of the uncooperative demonstrators doesn't engender trust either, but the President could have whitewashed that act by saying that everybody who cooperates instead of taking up arms against the government will be treated fairly. Half of the people would believe it because let's face it, the electorate is pretty stupid and the electorate of 80 years in the future is also spectacularly ignorant about history.

It would have been better, in my view, if he said something like "war will lead to peace." We already know that this future is Orwellian, so we don't need to be hit over the head with a 1984 quote. On the other hand, "war will lead to peace" is not only the sort of thing that a politician might say if he were going to war, but it would also get people who know the famous quote to say "hey, that sounds a lot like 1984. I see what PAD's doing here."

Second thing: I originally didn't realize that the collision was cop car vs. cop car, because the one car was black and only had a very small flashing light on top. So for a little while I thought that the cops chasing Linqon had originally responded to the call about some crazy girl breaking a store window, and I wondered why Layla would put Linqon in danger only to save her. A few pages later, I figured out that she didn't summon THOSE cops, she summoned MORE cops to crash into the first set of cops. :rolleyes:

Finally, the thing at the end with the Rumsfeld quote about rioting seemed like a non-sequitur to me. The only similarity seems to be that there was a riot, but it was on U.S. soil instead of Iraqi soil, and people were rioting to revolt against their own government rather than because a foreign nation had just invaded them and thrown everything into chaos.

Now for what I liked:

-Layla reaching her breaking point and getting all emotional when talking to Scott. If not for scenes like this, we might get the impression that she is never bothered by anything. Because of scenes like this we know that she is and she just hides it very well, and that makes her more sympathetic and relatable.

-The aforementioned collision, because even if I didn't immediately realize that both cars were cops it was still pretty cool to arrange that. It's sort of like she arranged the four car pileup with the pizza delivery vans, but there's enough difference in the situation here that it's not just idea-recyclying. :cool:

-The "space stuff" and Layla's commentary about it, and about how the focus on mutants blinded the nation to something that they should have been paying attention to (the parallel to the real world situation is pretty clear). Layla's casual comment about "if you weren't too busy dying..." while she stood around in the middle of the falling debris while everybody else was panicking and running for their lives. Also how she probably was standing there because she knew where all of it would come down and she wanted to draw the guards out and get them standing right where they'd get squashed. :evilsmile:

-I don't really care whether she's the spawn of Emma, I like Ruby. :smile:

EDIT: Oh yeah, I also liked the Alchemax sign and how the guard used "shock" as an expletive, both of which are from the 2099 era. PAD, of course, wrote Spider-Man 2099, and I for one like the idea that instead of being a totally alternate universe, certain things about the 2099 world will really come to pass on 616 eventually.

[AdamYJ]

Her breast implants probably gave her some extra super powers.

Well, that is what was suggested about Spider-Woman in New Avengers . . .

Well, no, actually, that's really more like the unofficial shorthand regarding age with superheroines. As teenagers, they're pretty flat. Once they start being portrayed as grown-ups, they become all curves. Kind of a double-edged sword. They end up being really hot, but they don't really sprout until age 18. And it takes forever for them to get that old in the Marvel Universe. :biggrin: :tongue:

I think you remembered all the key points other than Forge becoming "Genesis," but that was supposed to happen after the Summers Rebellion anyway. The long and short of the answers to your questions are that there weren't really any answers at the time concepts like the Summers Rebellion were first mentioned, and whatever answers we get are unavoidably going to be in conflict with what was known before.

I forgot about the whole Genesis thing.

You know, I remember that it seemed like Generation X was going to play a bigger part in all this stuff when we were still getting info about it circa '94-'95. I mean, Bishop said the future was plagued by Emplates. And the original Emplate was Marius St. Croix, Monet's brother. Throw in Bishop's connection to Gateway as revealed years later in X-Treme X-Men and his connection to Jubilee (the Last X-Man) and the part he played in the early days of Gen X and you'd think they were brewing something, but . . . .naw. Nothing's really going to happen on that front.

Never mind that the whole Onslaught thing should have ended his future anyway (anyone else find it funny that Bishop is now "the traitor to the X-Men"? :biggrin: ).

[RickyD410]

As anyone started talking about how Layla was saying "one of us... one of us" in her sleep while she was standing by the fence in the camp? Thats what Madrox's Layla-hallucination was saying to him. Is there a connection there? There must be.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Oh and could someone get that new artist off X-Factor, please?

No.

I noticed this too, it was also labeled #1. If you look in the fine print on the title page, it does indeed say one-shot, though.

Grrrr. Dammit. :evilangry:


Oh yeah, I also liked... how the guard used "shock" as an expletive,

Yah! I laughed at that. I didn't read enough 2099 to get the Alchemex reference though.

As anyone started talking about how Layla was saying "one of us... one of us" in her sleep while she was standing by the fence in the camp? Thats what Madrox's Layla-hallucination was saying to him. Is there a connection there? There must be.

I was thinking that maybe she was communicating with him telepathically? Or maybe this metaphorical chess player she keeps talking about is an actual person or Celestrial or someone, and she is communicating with it to tell to influence Jamie's day-dreams in the past. 'Cuz PAD said that Jamie's day-dreams weren't entirely created by Jamie himself.

[RickyD410]

I was thinking that maybe she was communicating with him telepathically? Or maybe this metaphorical chess player she keeps talking about is an actual person or Celestrial or someone, and she is communicating with it to tell to influence Jamie's day-dreams in the past. 'Cuz PAD said that Jamie's day-dreams weren't entirely created by Jamie himself.

Where did PAD say this? Can I possibly get an interview link? I've been out of the loop since early May. I just bought a whole lot of comics today and I'm trying to catch up.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Where did PAD say this? Can I possibly get an interview link? I've been out of the loop since early May. I just bought a whole lot of comics today and I'm trying to catch up.

I'm trying to remember. I think he replied to a thread in this forum about the issue in which Jamie was having the visions of Layla. Or it may have been an X-position interview. Crap. It may have even been a Newsarama interview.

I suck. :frown:

[ThreeDays]

I forgot about the whole Genesis thing.

Apparently most of the X-writers have as well. I'd like to see it followed up on.

You know, I remember that it seemed like Generation X was going to play a bigger part in all this stuff when we were still getting info about it circa '94-'95. I mean, Bishop said the future was plagued by Emplates. And the original Emplate was Marius St. Croix, Monet's brother. Throw in Bishop's connection to Gateway as revealed years later in X-Treme X-Men and his connection to Jubilee (the Last X-Man) and the part he played in the early days of Gen X and you'd think they were brewing something, but . . . .naw. Nothing's really going to happen on that front.

Yep, it always seemed like Generation X was going to be a lot more important than they turned out to be.

Other hints about that you may have forgot: It was implied that Monet St. Croix was Bishop's grandmother, and in Uncanny #304, Bishop told Banshee that the legends said Banshee was "the last hope, the custodian of the next generation."

Of course, none of it amounted to anything.

Never mind that the whole Onslaught thing should have ended his future anyway

Indeed. I imagine most of us thought it had until this whole Messiah Baby macguffin came along.

(anyone else find it funny that Bishop is now "the traitor to the X-Men"? :biggrin: ).

After all the smack he talked about Gambit? It's pretty damn ironic.

[darknessatnoon]

As anyone started talking about how Layla was saying "one of us... one of us" in her sleep while she was standing by the fence in the camp? Thats what Madrox's Layla-hallucination was saying to him. Is there a connection there? There must be.

lol

She was singing the ABBA song, Ricky.


One of us is crying
One of us is lying
In her lonely bed
Staring at the ceiling
Wishing she was somewhere else instead
One of us is lonely
One of us is only
Waiting for a call
Sorry for herself, feeling stupid feeling small
Wishing she had never left at all
Never left at all


I'm so embarrassed that I caught that reference.

[Novaya Havoc]

lol

She was singing the ABBA song, Ricky.



I'm so embarrassed that I caught that reference.

You are so damn queer.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Really really liked this:smile: i thought the artist was really great, tho there was one or two scenes that were kinda weird like the one where Cyclops slapped Layla it didn't really looked like he slapped her at all.

lol

She was singing the ABBA song, Ricky.



I'm so embarrassed that I caught that reference.

Actually, she was referencing the movie Freaks (http://www.terrortrap.com/reviews/freaks1932/). PAD told us in the regular X-Factor title. If anyone has ever seen the Clerks animated series, the Pinheads show up and start chanting "One of us, one of us" as well. I'm sure the must be other pop culture references to it as well.

[darknessatnoon]

Actually, she was referencing the movie Freaks (http://www.terrortrap.com/reviews/freaks1932/). PAD told us in the regular X-Factor title. If anyone has ever seen the Clerks animated series, the Pinheads show up and start chanting "One of us, one of us" as well. I'm sure the must be other pop culture references to it as well.

I do not acknowledge posts that start with the word "actually."

[frog]

Actually, she was referencing the movie Freaks (http://www.terrortrap.com/reviews/freaks1932/). PAD told us in the regular X-Factor title. If anyone has ever seen the Clerks animated series, the Pinheads show up and start chanting "One of us, one of us" as well. I'm sure the must be other pop culture references to it as well.

Still, it is interesting that Madrox seems to hear it in his head. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a actual connection between the two somehow.

[Anna]

She was projecting her image to him. She may have done the same with Quicksilver.

[Pyro]

What I appreciated, and what Peter David deserves the biggest props for, is getting past the "she's just a weird kid" vibe with Layla and showing that in some ways she's utterly terrifying. She's a vulnerable (and even tattooed still) cute kid, but also the Boogey(wo)man all rolled up into one. She can't do ANYTHING, and yet in some ways is capable of almost anything, all at the same time.Yeah, I appreciate that as well-- it is something that has been evident in Layla since the issue where she got that Singularity guy electrocuted in the X-Factor headquarters. It's also something that is easy for me to forget. That's partly why I hope she doesn't age too much before coming back to the present; I like the contrast her youth and charm provide to the not-so-innocent things she knows, sets up, and witnesses.
The hardest thing to wrap your mind around is that she's also helpless herself. She can't CAUSE anything to happen, heck you can't even argue that she's leveraging what she knows will happen, because even HER reactions are pre-determined. But she projects this befuddling aura of mystery which muddies that to the outside observer.I'm very curious about Layla's origins and "powers". I find it hard to believe that we still know so little about her past and her motivations. Yes, she claims to be a pawn, but for whom, and why? Does she really have no reasons of her own behind her actions (such as making the time jump with the Madrox dupe)? I long for the day that PAD gives us the answers to the mystery that is Layla; though, I hope it wouldn't spoil the character to have those answers. But what I've come to expect from PAD is that more answers lead to more questions.:smile:

[Alex A Sanchez]

I do not acknowledge posts that start with the word "actually."

*sigh* would you rather I opened it with "You were wrong,"

[orkoni1]

Has everyone forgotten that everytime something changes in the past that shouldn't have happened, a new alternate reality is created with those changes while the other timeline still exists without any changes.

Think back to that special they had about AoA, where they were still the same, their timeline didn't change, it just meant that a new one came to fruition along side that one where Xavier didn't die.

Same thing can be applied to other alternate realities, so in theory there are more alternate realities being born than one can count becuase if one single thing changes from the originating time line it spilts into the old one and the new one and it keeps spliting to no end.

Thats the only way I can make sense of all of this. And Jubilee being the las X-Man just means that maybe she was the last to hold that title while Cyclops had just retreated as well as any other X-Men. So after she died, there were no more "X-Men." It may not necessarily mean that all died.

Quantum physics is soo treaky.

I really hope that they decide to make a #2, #3 etc for this series it would be awesome! I loved the whole story.

Must read, just for pleasure anyway, even if it ends up not affecting tha present 616 universe. Because as it was mentioned before Layla and Madrox dupe being sent into that time, There were two alternate realities with mutants still in them. Emphasis on alternate meaning not the future 616 although that doesnt necessarily mean Scott and Emma don't have a daughter named Ruby in reality 616.

I hope that since Ruby stays eternal when she is in her Ruby form, she can finish the Rebellion and so on, and be able to come to the past of timeline 616.(don't bash me, lol).

[ThreeDays]

Has everyone forgotten that everytime something changes in the past that shouldn't have happened, a new alternate reality is created with those changes while the other timeline still exists without any changes.

The thing is, that's not always how it works. It depends on what a given writer feels should happen, or what suits the story that writer is trying to do.

For instance: When Apocalypse's ascension was prevented, the Askani timeline was erased. It didn't branch off; it was simply gone. Rachel Summers, who had lived to be old and died in that future, was alive again, young (the same age as when she arrived in the Askani era) and only had vague memories of being Mother Askani. Meanwhile, Cyclops, Cable and Jean's memories of being in the future were intact.

For Rachel, those events simply never happened. For her, she'd been lost in the timestream after trading places with Captain Britain, and instead of living for decades in the Askani timeline, from her perspective, she was only out of the 616 for a little while. She wound up in a different future dunghole than the Askani timeline, where she was imprisoned for a brief period until Cable came to save her.

Think back to that special they had about AoA, where they were still the same, their timeline didn't change, it just meant that a new one came to fruition along side that one where Xavier didn't die.

That's only really because they decided they wanted to do more stuff in the AoA timeline. As it was originally shown, the AoA was erased.

Even X-Men: Omega shows that, with the reference to the timestream being rebuilt (shown on-panel and identified as such in the dialogue). As it was originally, the 616 was overwritten by what Legion did in the past, creating the AoA timeline. We even saw these overwriting effects happen at the end of various issues in the 616 released the month before the AoA monthlies started.

Then, when Bishop went back and stopped Legion, the 616 was restored, which erased the AoA timeline.

If every thing that changes from a previous timeline splits off an alternate timeline, and that's what was supposed to have happened with the AoA, one has to beg the question of why the 616 was affected at all by what Legion did, or why we didn't see a huge yellow wormhole open in the sky (à la X-Men: Omega) when Bishop stopped Onslaught from killing the X-Men or when Apocalypse's millenial ascension was prevented.

Initially, the implication was that the AoA timeline was erased the same way that Cable's future (the Askani timeline) was. The same fate could then be presumed for Bishop's future (the X.S.E. timeline).

I grant you, though, that there was a precedent for alternate timelines enduring in the X-titles, in that Rachel's future (the Days of Future Past timeline) didn't up and vanish when Senator Kelly's assassination was prevented. In that case, though, the 616 was identified on-panel as being an alternate timeline from the start, before sending Kitty into the past to stop the assassination (she'd been sent into the past of a different universe at the outset, from 811 to 616).

And Jubilee being the las X-Man just means that maybe she was the last to hold that title while Cyclops had just retreated as well as any other X-Men. So after she died, there were no more "X-Men." It may not necessarily mean that all died.

After thinking about it a bit, I think you're right that it's probably something pretty simple like that. If I remember correctly, the X-Men were still doing that Blue and Gold Team stuff up until the Onslaught debacle, and even though Jubilee had joined Generation X by then, she had been the last new X-Man up to that point.

I guess in a future where history was made up more of legends than detailed historical records, it's easy enough to see how that could turn into her being "the Last X-Man."

[Squidboy]

Actually, she was referencing the movie Freaks (http://www.terrortrap.com/reviews/freaks1932/). PAD told us in the regular X-Factor title. If anyone has ever seen the Clerks animated series, the Pinheads show up and start chanting "One of us, one of us" as well. I'm sure the must be other pop culture references to it as well.

I knew the reference from the Butters' Very Own Episode on South Park :biggrin:

I do not acknowledge posts that start with the word "actually."

Doesn't quoting a post sort of acknowledge it?

[metalgorgomon]

Really like this one-shot. Layla under PAD is pure awesome. Wonder when she'll be back to X-Factor..

Glad we're getting these great one-shots.
First it's the Qucksilver.. now Layla gets some love.

Didn't PAD left an unresolved suplot regarding a Madrox's dupe? I know one of the dupe that were sent with Layla to Bishop's reality was dead. I probably missed something here, but I think we haven't heard him yet.
And CMMIW, I thought PAD once said that he's gonna explore that story.

[Arrogantcur]

*sigh* would you rather I opened it with "You were wrong,"

Well, that always goes without saying, Alex. :redface:

EDIT: As anyone started talking about how Layla was saying "one of us... one of us" in her sleep while she was standing by the fence in the camp? Thats what Madrox's Layla-hallucination was saying to him. Is there a connection there? There must be.

It would be a pretty big coincidence to have her saying the same thing Jamie's "imaginary friend Layla" chanted to him at one point. I'm guessing that she is able to communicate with him somehow, and that part of what she was doing the entire time she was standing in the spot was concentrating on Madrox in the past, sending him messages.

[pariah-1972]

I really wished this would have come out a lot earlier so the "one of us" thing would make more sense to me.

[darknessatnoon]

*sigh* would you rather I opened it with "You were wrong,"

I'm sure he looked up the song after the Freaks reference (which is a crappy movie anyway). Abba is far more relevant to the scene. I discourage Interview Fetishism. Also, it's contrary to the rules of this forum to start a post with "sigh." I'd suggest editing it before you end up banned.

[AdamYJ]

After thinking about it a bit, I think you're right that it's probably something pretty simple like that. If I remember correctly, the X-Men were still doing that Blue and Gold Team stuff up until the Onslaught debacle, and even though Jubilee had joined Generation X by then, she had been the last new X-Man up to that point.

I guess in a future where history was made up more of legends than detailed historical records, it's easy enough to see how that could turn into her being "the Last X-Man."

Darn. As a Jubilee fan, I was hoping it was something more important than that.

[Arrogantcur]

I'm sure he looked up the song after the Freaks reference (which is a crappy movie anyway). Abba is far more relevant to the scene. I discourage Interview Fetishism. Also, it's contrary to the rules of this forum to start a post with "sigh." I'd suggest editing it before you end up banned.

Oh come on, there's also a rule against profanity. Are you going to get banned for saying Diana Fox is "batshit crazy" in the latest Exiles thread?

[timbox]

Oh come on, there's also a rule against profanity. Are you going to get banned for saying Diana Fox is "batshit crazy" in the latest Exiles thread?

You're not the forum police. Stop threatening to ban people for making helpful suggestions.

[orkoni1]

Thnks for clarifying some things for me ThreeDays.

I just dont like how the whole process having to do with alternate timelines and alternate realities are just a toy that writers can just write then "oh, it got errase it doesn't matter"

But I do hope that something is doen with this series, I'm just dying to read another issue having to do with Layla being in the future she is in. Also it would be great if they didn't just toss Ruby to limbo.

I wonder what Layla is gonna do next.

[DeniseXfrost]

It is confirmed Layla is back very soon.

[Squidboy]

Really like this one-shot. Layla under PAD is pure awesome. Wonder when she'll be back to X-Factor..

Glad we're getting these great one-shots.
First it's the Qucksilver.. now Layla gets some love.

Didn't PAD left an unresolved suplot regarding a Madrox's dupe? I know one of the dupe that were sent with Layla to Bishop's reality was dead. I probably missed something here, but I think we haven't heard him yet.
And CMMIW, I thought PAD once said that he's gonna explore that story.

I think PAD mentioned something about the other dupe's mission having an effect in X-Factor, so we might just see the dupe again.

[Arrogantcur]

You're not the forum police. Stop threatening to ban people for making helpful suggestions.

I'm threatening nobody, I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit silly to tell somebody that they are breaking the rules and might get banned (as darkness did there) when you yourself have broken a different rule (as darkness also did).

[darknessatnoon]

I'm threatening nobody, I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit silly to tell somebody that they are breaking the rules and might get banned (as darkness did there) when you yourself have broken a different rule (as darkness also did).

Ha! I really wouldn't push it with timbox, if I were you. That's a friendly suggestion. Tim's got some pull around here. And FYI, I don't break rules.

[DeniseXfrost]

Ha! I really wouldn't push it with timbox, if I were you. That's a friendly suggestion. Tim's got some pull around here. And FYI, I don't break rules.
I would like to see a certain annoying get banned.

Timbox, show me the damn string.

[Arrogantcur]

Ha! I really wouldn't push it with timbox, if I were you. That's a friendly suggestion. Tim's got some pull around here. And FYI, I don't break rules.

Yeah, see I really don't care.

Now, here's the rule that you warned Alex Sanchez about:

7. SIGH AND UHMMM BAN
No posts shall open with the noises "sigh" and/or "uhmmmm." Neither of them add anything to discourse, and they basically work as the internet equivalent of "Screw you!" For example, one person says, "Magneto made his first appearance in X-Men #2." Next person says, "Uhmmm...Magneto made his first appearance in X-Men #1" or "Sigh...Magneto made his first appearance in X-MEn #1." Take away the opening stuff, and the point of the sentence is not changed. So what's the point of saying Sigh or Uhmmm? To me, it is no more than saying, "You might think that, but you're a moron, as the ACTUAL answer is ____" or "I have to pause here to fully grasp how dumb you are." Occasionally, the word actually is used the same way as uhmmm and sigh. I reserve the right to omit "actually" and the emoticon when I think it is being used like uhmmm or sigh.

And here's another rule from the very same list:

2. PROFANITY
Don't use profanity. In addition, I would REALLY appreciate it if people made it a point to avoid referring to women (fictional or not) as "skanks" or "whores" or "hos."

I gather that these rules are all equally important, so whenever you swear that's as bad as starting a post with "sigh".

Right?

But people here swear all the time. I don't mind at all, but if swearing's tolerated then beginning a post with "sigh" should also be tolerated.

[darknessatnoon]

Yeah, see I really don't care.

Now, here's the rule that you warned Alex Sanchez about:



And here's another rule from the very same list:


I gather that these rules are all equally important, so whenever you swear that's as bad as starting a post with "sigh".

Right?

But people here swear all the time. I don't mind at all, but if swearing's tolerated then beginning a post with "sigh" should also be tolerated.

http://www.hotmoviesale.com/dvds/51938/1/Get-A-Clue.jpg

[Bingo!]

Layla Miller knows stuff and she knows she doesn't like arguing in her thread.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/502812-miller_super.jpg

[Tag06]

Ruby Summers is pretty awesome some bring her to 616 universe stat!

Getting rid of Rachel and bringing in Ruby would be a great addition.:smile:

[Squidboy]

Ruby Summers is pretty awesome some bring her to 616 universe stat!

Getting rid of Rachel and bringing in Ruby would be a great addition.:smile:

They've already pushed her into outerspace, and it would probably only be a matter of time before writers felt that they've gone as far as they could with Ruby, and just do the same with her. It's the curse of the time-travelling Summers groinspawn.

[Alex A Sanchez]

I think PAD mentioned something about the other dupe's mission having an effect in X-Factor, so we might just see the dupe again.

Shhhh... PAD's gonna surprise us with his reemergence, so stop reminding people of his existence so he can surprise us already.


They've already pushed her into outerspace, and it would probably only be a matter of time before writers felt that they've gone as far as they could with Ruby, and just do the same with her. It's the curse of the time-travelling Summers groinspawn.

They haven't tired of Cable yet. Rachel is so similar to Jean that she becomes redundant and boring (visually and power-wise). Ruby is fresh and unique- there is a lot of potential for her.

Would you rather I opened it with "You were wrong,"
*sigh*


Fixed :biggrin:

[Squidboy]

Shhhh... PAD's gonna surprise us with his reemergence, so stop reminding people of his existence so he can surprise us already.

They haven't tired of Cable yet. Rachel is so similar to Jean that she becomes redundant and boring (visually and power-wise). Ruby is fresh and unique- there is a lot of potential for her.

Can do, PAD's secret's safe with me.

I wasn't reading the X-books at the time of the Revolution (when Cable was part of one of the X-teams), but from when I got into them in 2004, Cable was pretty much non-existant for a while. He was around in Cable/Deadpool, but that book was more in it's own corner of the universe, and only interracted with the X-characters within the confines of that book. His role on Carey's X-Men team, and then later on in Messiah CompleX seemed to be his big revival in the X-books, at least it seemed that way to me. Sure, they didn't have him become one with the universe or ship him off into space, but my feeling in that Marvel's trying their best to sweep the characters with 'complicated' backgrounds under the rug, so new readers can come in and not be confused as all hell.

That said, I'd like to see Ruby come into the X-books, so long as PAD is writing her, or she is given the respect and awesome factor that PAD would have brought to her.

[Arrogantcur]

Fixed :biggrin:

Hehe. :wink:

[LungerTony]

My lcs was out of stock with this issue.
I am sad. Because unlike most one-shots...I really, really wanted to read this.
Layla Miller is the coolest little girl character in a long time.

[pariah-1972]

My lcs was out of stock with this issue.
I am sad. Because unlike most one-shots...I really, really wanted to read this.
Layla Miller is the coolest little girl character in a long time.Next to Amour right?

[hermitdude]

Just got back from the back'o'beyond, and this was released during my absence. I just need to say that this issue was my favorite of the summer. Layla has a purely passive power, but slaughtered the guards by standing still for a long time. Just mind blowing.

[Squidboy]

My lcs was out of stock with this issue.
I am sad. Because unlike most one-shots...I really, really wanted to read this.
Layla Miller is the coolest little girl character in a long time.

Damn, that sucks - I have three shops within driving distance of me, and the one I went to initially was sold out, so I went down the line and got it at the second store I went to. Maybe you could ask if the store owner could get additional copies from their distributor, or even start a pull list with the shop, so this doesn't happen again in the future.

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Just got back from the back'o'beyond, and this was released during my absence. I just need to say that this issue was my favorite of the summer. Layla has a purely passive power, but slaughtered the guards by standing still for a long time. Just mind blowing.

Yet another excellent idea from the mind of Peter David, this issue was fantastic and I really wish it was an ongoing...:frown:

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

Layla Miller knows stuff and she knows she doesn't like arguing in her thread.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/502812-miller_super.jpg

Fantastic! LMAO!!!:biggrin:

[pariah-1972]

Yet another excellent idea from the mind of Peter David, this issue was fantastic and I really wish it was an ongoing...:frown:Totally agree who cares about X-factor anyways.
:smile:

[timbox]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/502812-miller_super.jpg

Witness! Where is Gambit!?

[pariah-1972]

Witness! Where is Gambit!?

He's in Jersey play Backgammon.