FIRST LOOK: X-Force #6

[Ben Morse]

X-Force faces the Purifiers in final combat!

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4602.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_X-Force_%236

[jarrod]

Best X-Book on the market bar none. I wish C&C could take on a second title too.

[worstblogever]

Simply put, "This book is full of win."

[jmc247]

X-Force is running on all cylinders.

[Omegastorm]

So good , I can't wait.

o

[LawGiver]

Perfect.

~LG

[Imraith Nimphais]

The 3C's have yet to disappoint...OH the joy!!!!!...as far as I'm concerned...THIS is the only X-title on the shelf.

[Trississ]

Love and Joy!!!

[Slung]

X-Force is such a great read. Jean should return in this book (that is my highest praise). I have decreed it to be so!

[jarrod]

X-Force is such a great read. Jean should return in this book (that is my highest praise). I have decreed it to be so!
Jean and Rachel plz! It could work!!

[Slung]

Jean and Rachel plz! It could work!!

They'd be like twin hotties or something. Jean would be the sleek femme fatale and Rachel would be the slightly butchy, angry lipstick lesbian.

[claimtosubclaim]

Rahne is already sporting Rachel's hair, so it would be artistically redundant. Maybe they have to sacrifice Rachel in order to bring Jean back. What? It's X-Force. There has to be some blood shed. :evilsmile:

[jarrod]

They'd be like twin hotties or something. Jean would be the sleek femme fatale and Rachel would be the slightly butchy, angry lipstick lesbian.
I'm there! Just no Nate/Maddie moments plz!


Rahne is already sporting Rachel's hair, so it would be artistically redundant. Maybe they have to sacrifice Rachel in order to bring Jean back. What? It's X-Force. There has to be some blood shed. :evilsmile:
Ugh, Rahne copping Rachel's style in this series has pissed me off since day one. Biotch got what she deserved!!

[rwsmith]

"Sixteen apiece. Kill 'em all." = the epitome of bad ass! :cool:

[worstblogever]

"Sixteen apiece. Kill 'em all." = the epitome of bad ass! :cool:

Hey, Logan! Save some for Warren! :biggrin:

[Falconen]

Looks great! I hope that Rhane doesn't go over the edge and outright kill Rev Craig. I want what little of her innocence left to remain.

"I dinnae want to" :biggrin:

[fitditz]

Rahne is already sporting Rachel's hair, so it would be artistically redundant. Maybe they have to sacrifice Rachel in order to bring Jean back. What? It's X-Force. There has to be some blood shed. :evilsmile:
I agree....there has to be some blood shed on the team. C&C aren't afraid of that too which is a good thing.

[chickrockguitar]

Looks Great! As Usual!
Roll on X-Force week! :biggrin:

[Naela]

Once again I feel the need to praise the art of this issue. Just the level of detail and texture that's in each panel is amazing for a comic book.

[Christoffer]

Must.. avoid.. gotta wait till the end of the month.. can't...

[Valeria Kementari]

With all the continuity mistakes this books has and the horrible concept of X-Men killing people I still don't understand how can people like this book

[worstblogever]

With all the conitnuity mistakes this books has and the horrible concept of X-Men killing people I still don't understand how can people like this book

Which continuity mistakes, exactly?

[Henry T.]

Saw the advanced copy. Loved it! :cool:

[Hi-Fi]

Saw the advanced copy. Loved it! :cool:
Did you happen to read Legacy as well? Could you PM me with details? :smile:

[Chris Yost]

With all the continuity mistakes this books has and the horrible concept of X-Men killing people I still don't understand how can people like this book

BRING. IT. ON.

I will defend each and every continuity 'mistake' right here. :evilsmile:

[Henry T.]

Did you happen to read Legacy as well? Could you PM me with details? :smile:

There wasn't a Legacy advanced preview. :frown:

[Hi-Fi]

BRING. IT. ON.

I will defend each and every continuity 'mistake' right here. :evilsmile:
The lack of Loa is the most aggravating one!

[Hi-Fi]

There wasn't a Legacy advanced preview. :frown:
Oh, it's cool, dude. Thanks.

[Henry T.]

BRING. IT. ON.

I will defend each and every continuity 'mistake' right here. :evilsmile:

I personally think that you synthesize continuity extremely well from what I've read in X-Force and What If: Rise and Fall.

When Jean returns, I want either You or Carey to write her.

[Hi-Fi]

I mean, Reverend Craig referencing Moira? That was f*cked up. You can't just make things up, Chris Yost.

[Chris Yost]

That bastard needs to stay off Kinross land.

[Cytokinesis]

The only continuity mistake that I can see in here at all, was a slight one, with having taken Icarus' wings because they didn't know which mutant had the technological wings (Warren was known as Archangel).

Even that though, might just have been a case of "Hey, he came to us, might as well check his wings, either way a mutant dies and we can still use him without the wings, so win-win."


Edit: This is an absolutely amazing book though. If it was just the killing, it wouldn't (okay maybe it would) have such a large fanbase, but it also has an amazing story, well written characters, complex interactions, and surprises and fun at every turn. Plus the art is amazing, that Archangel splash page on the end of four was breathtaking.

[jarrod]

BRING. IT. ON.

I will defend each and every continuity 'mistake' right here. :evilsmile:
LOL


Why is Rahne copping Rachel's style? Dyke crop? Form fitting bodysuit? Tragically lost innocence? Mind control?

Why don't you trade up and just get the real deal? She's even a tracker!

[Slung]

LOL


Why is Rahne copping Rachel's style? Dyke crop? Form fitting bodysuit? Tragically lost innocence? Mind control?

Why don't you trade up and just get the real deal? She's even a tracker!

Or trade up further and get Jean. I'd love to see how Yost fit her into the book.

[jarrod]

Or trade up further and get Jean. I'd love to see how Yost fit her into the book.
She'd fit perfectly in a body bag. <3 <3

STEP. OFF.

[Grunty]

BRING. IT. ON.

I will defend each and every continuity 'mistake' right here. :evilsmile:

Hmm, this reminds me that with sites like uncannyxmen.net or wikipedia continuity errors should in theory become rarer among writers who do their research.
So i guess you (who obviously did some research to know all those characters Bastion recruited) are actualy well prepared for people bringing such things up, eh?

That bastard needs to stay off Kinross land.
Sorry i feel like someone who didn't got a joke, whats Kinross land?

I mean, Reverend Craig referencing Moira? That was f*cked up. You can't just make things up, Chris Yost.
Funny thing is i already wondered when Moira (damm who at marvel thought it would be a good idea to kill of one of the last human supporting characters of the x-men???), will be mentiod.
Actualy i expected her to be named to calm Rhane down when she went bezerk on X-force in Angels mansion.

[cgar]

how weird would it be to have Sage on X-Force? You tell me. It just popped in my head right now

Though i'm still hoping for Psylocke written by Yost/Kyle and drawn by Choi and Crain

[Hi-Fi]

Sorry i feel like someone who didn't got a joke, whats Kinross land?
Lady Moira would be disappointed!

[rwsmith]

She'd fit perfectly in a body bag. <3 <3

STEP. OFF.

No way. If any time-displaced Summers kid is going to join this team, it should be the gray-haired cyborg guy who founded the original squad!

Having said that, the team is pretty much perfect as it is now (Wolverine as leader, X-23, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Archangel and soon Domino). Why mess with perfection? :confused:

[jarrod]

No way. If any time-displaced Summers kid is going to join this team, it should be the gray-haired cyborg guy who founded the original squad!

Having said that, the team is pretty much perfect as it is now (Wolverine as leader, X-23, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Archangel and soon Domino). Why mess with perfection? :confused:
(1) Rachel's a tracker, Nathan's not really
(2) Rachel's not really a Summers (wait for it)
(3) Rachel's not playing parent in the future, and even if she were, she could come back on her own
(4) Rachel went through the successor to Weapon X; she actually has a lot in common with Logan & X-23
(5) Rachel adds a larger diversity of powerset than any current X-Forcers
(6) Rachel was X-23's roomie
(7) Rachel and Cable work well together; they should both join imo <3 <3

[darknessatnoon]

how weird would it be to have Sage on X-Force? You tell me. It just popped in my head right now

Though i'm still hoping for Psylocke written by Yost/Kyle and drawn by Choi and Crain

Sage would be perfect. I don't think it's wise to include Psylocke. They already have Rahne screwing up the team.

[Slung]

(1) Rachel's a tracker, Nathan's not really
(2) Rachel's not really a Summers (wait for it)
(3) Rachel's not playing parent in the future, and even if she were, she could come back on her own
(4) Rachel went through the successor to Weapon X; she actually has a lot in common with Logan & X-23
(5) Rachel adds a larger diversity of powerset than any current X-Forcers
(6) Rachel was X-23's roomie
(7) Rachel and Cable work well together; they should both join imo <3 <3

Jean looks sexier in black leather. Just saying.

Her kids that aren't her kids can tag along too, if they want.

[cgar]

No. I ADORE Psylocke so she should join the team as well. I think Sage would fit seeing as she is an emotionless fighter who would and can kill.

[RoguishGurl]

These previews look great! I really can't wait until I can get my hands on this issue! It's gonna be GOOD!

I love you and Mr. Kyle, Mr. Yost!!! <3

[rwsmith]

(1) Rachel's a tracker, Nathan's not really
(2) Rachel's not really a Summers (wait for it)
(3) Rachel's not playing parent in the future, and even if she were, she could come back on her own
(4) Rachel went through the successor to Weapon X; she actually has a lot in common with Logan & X-23
(5) Rachel adds a larger diversity of powerset than any current X-Forcers
(6) Rachel was X-23's roomie
(7) Rachel and Cable work well together; they should both join imo <3 <3

1) Team's got enough trackers. Cable is a highly trained commando and founded the original X-Force.
2) Didn't know that. Is her dad Wolverine? I thought this was implied once upon a time, but the writers just dropped the plot thread.
3) Cable is a soldier. He's prepared for anything. Even fighting with X-Force while taking care of a baby at the same time. :wink:
4) Didn't know that, but Cable helped hunt down and destroy the new Weapon X program (the one Frank Tieri wrote). So he has ties to Weapon X as well.
5) So does Cable (telekinesis).
6) For like 2 seconds...:rolleyes:
7) Hmm...maybe. But I fear that having both of them on the team might be a bit too much "convoluted back story involving time travel" for most people. If anyone could make it work it'd be Kyle and Yost, though. That's not sucking up either, it's just fact. :smile:

No. I ADORE Psylocke so she should join the team as well.

Plus if they give Psylocke just her telepathy back (like she had when she was awesome in the 90's) and also add Cable, their powers won't be redundant (because right now Cable has no telepathy anymore, just light telekinesis).

What? I'm just saying...:redface:

[fitditz]

Which continuity mistakes, exactly?
He/She keeps referencing these continuity mistakes and keeps spreading the haterade but has nothing to back it up....valechan, here's your chance to speak up...are you up to the challenge or are you gonna fade away?

[rwsmith]

Plus, look at how cool Cable looks in an X-Force style version of his current costume:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/CableX-Force.png

You know he looks bad ass, Yost!

[fitditz]

Plus, look at how cool Cable looks in an X-Force style version of his current costume:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/CableX-Force.png

You know he looks bad ass, Yost!
I agree that Cable looks badass but I want another New X-man in there.....are we gonna get any hints???

[ClanAskani]

Why is Rahne copping Rachel's style? Dyke crop? Form fitting bodysuit?

Rahne thinks Rachel is so cool, she has to copy her?



Why don't you trade up and just get the real deal? She's even a tracker


I second this!

And it would be even better if both Nathan and Rachel joined X-Force.

[Absolut_Fresh]

This preview gave me chills!!

[podmark]

Ahhh X-Force. Great comicy goodness...next week need come faster.

[Last_Avenger]

I would just like to give my highest compliments to Kyle and Yost for an outstanding first six issues. Logan's (and the others) commentaries through the various issues have been great additions to this story, not to mention Logan's in issue 6 has been absolutely hilarious.

Not to mention the badass qualities all the characters have been used properly, thank you for putting this book and the team together for such a fantastic read.

Btw, I don't know how you guys are getting away with the art being the way it is, but keep it up! the qualities this team and book have have truly set new bar for a black ops team in any marvel book.

oh, and Angel/Archangel doing his thing the way he his is the coolest he's ever been in any book I've seen him in in my four years of comic reading.

[LungerTony]

This book has been absolutely awesome. The intro of Archangel and from the solits, Domino too, make for a really awesome cast.
The opening arch has been great and so has the art.

I really like Matthew Risman. By far, the only coolest Purifier ever. The character is just awesome to me. However, it sucks though because I don't think anyone actually sees him surviving the situation he finds himself in. Especially too how the solit for it describes X-23 vs. Risman.
Oh well. At the end of the month some will mourn Wolfcub. I'll mourn Risman.

[podmark]

This book has been absolutely awesome. The intro of Archangel and from the solits, Domino too, make for a really awesome cast.
The opening arch has been great and so has the art.

I really like Matthew Risman. By far, the only coolest Purifier ever. The character is just awesome to me. However, it sucks though because I don't think anyone actually sees him surviving the situation he finds himself in. Especially too how the solit for it describes X-23 vs. Risman.
Oh well. At the end of the month some will mourn Wolfcub. I'll mourn Risman.

I looooove Risman. I will mourn him with you. But I still have hopes he'll survive!

Actually love the villains in this series. I hope they all carry on.

[Seikun21]

Oh well. At the end of the month some will mourn Wolfcub. I'll mourn Risman.

People are mourning Wolfcub? I thought that they were joking.

I'd rather mourn that "gay" guy Pixie was with in Uncanny 501

[LungerTony]

People are mourning Wolfcub? I thought that they were joking.

I'd rather mourn that "gay" guy Pixie was with in Uncanny 501

Lol. Well, only "some" people will miss Wolfcub.
I've only read one guy whining about how much he'll be missed.
I am glad generic and boring and Wolfcub is killed.

[WishIKnewStuff]

I'm all for a certain time displaced red-headed messiah baby to join X-Force. I'm thinking, I'd say 8 year old girl raised by Cable with some apparently bad@ss powers would fit perfectly with a team killing to save mutant kind

[Dagger]

People are mourning Wolfcub? I thought that they were joking.

I'd rather mourn that "gay" guy Pixie was with in Uncanny 501
Hey! I'm going to miss Wolfcub! Guggs handling of him was total shit! He was supposed to be this cute, lil niave guy who stood up for his friends, and not some feral psychopath who belonged more in X-Force than Young X-Men.

[Seikun21]

Lol. Well, only "some" people will miss Wolfcub.
I've only read one guy whining about how much he'll be missed.
I am glad generic and boring and Wolfcub is killed.

I'd rather he just went "I'm not cut out to be an X-man, I'm not Wolverine." Left the team and was never seen again.

Death of a team member in the first arc is just cliche.

Hey! I'm going to miss Wolfcub! Guggs handling of him was total shit! He was supposed to be this cute, lil niave guy who stood up for his friends, and not some feral psychopath who belonged more in X-Force than Young X-Men.

Hey X-Force is cool, don't go mucking up that team by adding him in.:tongue:

I liked him better when he went against the curve and wasn't your typical feral.

[Last_Avenger]

People are mourning Wolfcub? I thought that they were joking.

I'd rather mourn that "gay" guy Pixie was with in Uncanny 501

He died?!

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was my favorite POTENTIALLY-BUT-UNCONFIRMED gay character ever!

Brubaker and Fraction are homophobic writers who have no talent due to some fans misinterpretation of a red shirt!

[LungerTony]

I'd rather he just went "I'm not cut out to be an X-man, I'm not Wolverine." Left the team and was never seen again.

Death of a team member in the first arc is just cliche.


Lol. Now that you bring it up, I think it would have been better if Rockslide brought forth a motion to get Wolfcub kicked off the team because "he sucks at being an X-Man."

[Seikun21]

He died?!

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was my favorite POTENTIALLY-BUT-UNCONFIRMED gay character ever!

lol. I don't think the Uncanny 501 guy died. I was just using him as an example of someone who got badly beat up from this week. I just said that so you get the idea that I care more about some nameless character more than Wolfcub.

Pixie didn't die and she was actually their target mutant, so I think that guy will be okay. Unless he got brain damage.

Lol. Now that you bring it up, I think it would have been better if Rockslide brought forth a motion to get Wolfcub kicked off the team because "he sucks at being an X-Man."

Santo saying that would have been very cool. It sounds a lot like something he would have said under C&C.

[Dagger]

Hey X-Force is cool, don't go mucking up that team by adding him in.:tongue:

I liked him better when he went against the curve and wasn't your typical feral.
Not what I was saying. The way Guggs wrote him was more along the lines of what would have been more appropriate in X-Force, and not at all to how he was portrayed before Young X-Men began.

[LungerTony]

Damn, I just realized some greatness. Rockslide would be awesome if he was in X-Force.
Don't make him dark or angsty, just keep him insensitive and awesome.

[Seikun21]

Not what I was saying. The way Guggs wrote him was more along the lines of what would have been more appropriate in X-Force, and not at all to how he was portrayed before Young X-Men began.

Guggenheim probably saw him as a blank slate, someone no one would miss, and molded him into YXM Wolfcub to suit his needs. Blechh, he didn't have to kill a character in order to hype up this series.

[Last_Avenger]

lol. I don't think the Uncanny 501 guy died. I was just using him as an example of someone who got badly beat up from this week. I just said that so you get the idea that I care more about some nameless character more than Wolfcub.

Pixie didn't die and she was actually their target mutant, so I think that guy will be okay. Unless he got brain damage.

That was sarcasm on my end, I was trying the convey the outrage and anger most people displayed early in the reviews for an unknown red shirt. Overall, I could care less if the cannon fodder bit it as long as Pixie. I'm straight, but I like Pixie, she adds an interesting dynamic to the X-Men, as do all the youngsters in the X-Base(?)

[Chris Yost]

WEAK. I was really expecting Valechan to whip out a laundry list of shit to bust me on. Maybe Valechan is sleeping.

And the 'going for Icarus first' thing isn't really a continuity error, just an actual error on the part of William Stryker. He acted as best he could based on the information from an alternate timeline future Sentinel. Give the man a break. In that timeline, maybe Icarus was Archangel.

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.

[Slung]

WEAK. I was really expecting Valechan to whip out a laundry list of shit to bust me on. Maybe Valechan is sleeping.

And the 'going for Icarus first' thing isn't really a continuity error, just an actual error on the part of William Stryker. He acted as best he could based on the information from an alternate timeline future Sentinel. Give the man a break. In that timeline, maybe Icarus was Archangel.

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.

You still haven't answered why Jean isn't brought back in this book. That was the huge gaff I was hoping you'd touch upon. :biggrin:

Loving the book! Keep up the good work.

[RoguishGurl]

WEAK. I was really expecting Valechan to whip out a laundry list of shit to bust me on. Maybe Valechan is sleeping.

And the 'going for Icarus first' thing isn't really a continuity error, just an actual error on the part of William Stryker. He acted as best he could based on the information from an alternate timeline future Sentinel. Give the man a break. In that timeline, maybe Icarus was Archangel.

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.
And certain lovely poster by the name of Josef F. will probably love you a lot for saying that. And in his absence, I must ask for a book detailing that.

[HeckBoy]

Awesome as always. I wonder if this means the Choir were just one-off villains.

Also, anyone know/notice if the Choir guys can shoot out metal feathers? It seems like the Choir guys and Warren have different wing designs. Makes me wonder if Warren will be pulling out some other skills/powers (other than experience) to take these guys down.

[podmark]

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.

Well according to the bio on Marvels website his identity is public knowledge. And considering the Xavier Institute went public during Morrison's run and Warren was part of the staff I'm pretty sure his Identity would be publicly available. As metal-winged-Horseman-of-Apocalypse Archangel specifically, probably a little more difficult to find out but probably not impossible.

[Chris Yost]

Exactly. Warren Worthington as fluffy winged rich corporate guy, sure. But not necessarily the metal winged guy ripping up New York when Apocalypse attacked.

And just because the school 'went public,' doesn't necessarily mean every X-Man was identified on camera. Or that Scott and Emma turned over a list of teacher to CNN or something.

But again, Stryker blew it with Icarus. No argument there. But not a continuity error.

[podmark]

And just because the school 'went public,' doesn't necessarily mean every X-Man was identified on camera. Or that Scott and Emma turned over a list of teacher to CNN or something.


I don't know. It was a legitimate school with almost 200 kids before M-Day, Those kids would know who Warren was, and unless Emma/Jean/Charles/etc was pulling some telepathic tricks Warren's identity would be out. And I think Warren was still blue faced when the school went public, and I'm not sure how secretive the X-Men would be about their pasts. It's very possible that knowledge could get out.

Whether Stryker got it is a different matter, but regardless not a continuity error.


But again, Stryker blew it with Icarus. No argument there. But not a continuity error.

Yeah I wasn't actually disputing that anyway :smile:


On continuity does the whole Bastion head thing work out? I haven't actually read anything with Bastion before X-Force, but I know there was this Template thing after he was beheaded.

[ExodusCloak]

I think Emma and Shaw were the only ones who managed to keep their details from being leaked to the public...I have to check Warren though. (Be right back)

http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage52ux2.jpg
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[Pro]

Looks good, might drop uncanny and pick up this title instead ..

[worstblogever]

He/She keeps referencing these continuity mistakes and keeps spreading the haterade but has nothing to back it up....valechan, here's your chance to speak up...are you up to the challenge or are you gonna fade away?

Last I checked, and barring surgery, valechan was a she. And yeah, I'm still wiating, too.

WEAK. I was really expecting Valechan to whip out a laundry list of shit to bust me on. Maybe Valechan is sleeping.

And the 'going for Icarus first' thing isn't really a continuity error, just an actual error on the part of William Stryker. He acted as best he could based on the information from an alternate timeline future Sentinel. Give the man a break. In that timeline, maybe Icarus was Archangel.

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.

And I'm not the only one, it seems.

Exactly. Warren Worthington as fluffy winged rich corporate guy, sure. But not necessarily the metal winged guy ripping up New York when Apocalypse attacked.

And just because the school 'went public,' doesn't necessarily mean every X-Man was identified on camera. Or that Scott and Emma turned over a list of teacher to CNN or something.

But again, Stryker blew it with Icarus. No argument there. But not a continuity error.

I remember having the discussion about the public not knowing Warren is Archangel a few months back, when there was a discussion over which X-Men would do the best in politics. (possibly inspired by the X-Men: The End epilogue where Kitty Pryde, in spite of her past using the n-word in public, becomes president) My pick was Angel, for his money, connections, and his good reputation. Some threw out his sordid past as Death and Archangel, but other than Cameron Hodge (who never outed Warren to the media), I don't think anyone ever did drop a dime on Old Wings. I couldn't remember an issue, anyway. Of course, with Trish Tilby in the fold floating around the mansion for so many years, plus Shinobi Shaw and the Hellfire Club giving him a call when he was blue, at some point, someone in the media could have.

In any case, I went with the defense that anything Warren may have done as Death could be blamed on brainwashing from Apocalypse.

But the average joe on the street? I don't think they know Warren was that blue guy, yeah.

[timbox]

BRING. IT. ON.

I will defend each and every continuity 'mistake' right here. :evilsmile:

X-23 has not mentioned me once. We have a past together, everyone knows this. We have a rich history full of dark times, she should reference it sometime. Come on Chris, show us that you care.

P.S. I'd run away and hitchhike to Baltimore if you came to the con this year.

[Grunty]

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.

His former job as Death mostly not, but he appeared in puclic with his metalic wings several times. A clear example i can remember was when Gene Nation slaughtered some people in a disco.
He appears at the crime scene in full Archangel look (metal wings and blue skin) in front of a crowd of policemen, who take aim on him until one of the friendly police officers calms them down and tells that Warren is on their side.

So there must have been a lot of people who once saw him with metal wings. Actualy i belive there must have been more people who knew about Archangels metal wings and blue skin than who knew who Jay Guthrie was.

But if you insist that it was Nimrod who told Stryker that he should rip off Icarus wings, than it must be so, after all it was your plot device to beginn with.

On another hand it might also show, how religios fanatism can override the intelligence in people (ala: "The bible says it, so it must be so!").

Which i guess is why Bastion will most likely be a better leader for the purifiers (if there are any left) since he can controll their fanatism without fallig for it himself.

[ExodusCloak]

I think Emma and Shaw were the only ones who managed to keep their details from being leaked to the public...I have to check Warren though. (Be right back)

http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage52ux2.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage54ag3.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage55fb6.jpg

Sorry about the delay, I'm a bit annoyed with my Uni at the moment.

Anyway I remembered right Emma was the only X-Men to hide her details from the public. Or at least the common public.(Those Elitist Snobs in Astonishing X-Men did revoke her membership)

Here's details about Warren on the Purity website.(It's from the X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001 where Kitty Pryde is trolling their website)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7372/hrpage51pq7.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage51pq7.jpg)

Anyway the topic is trivial I heart C&C&C and Choi.

[Trississ]

WEAK. I was really expecting Valechan to whip out a laundry list of shit to bust me on. Maybe Valechan is sleeping.

And the 'going for Icarus first' thing isn't really a continuity error, just an actual error on the part of William Stryker. He acted as best he could based on the information from an alternate timeline future Sentinel. Give the man a break. In that timeline, maybe Icarus was Archangel.

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.

I'd imagine Warren would have some problems with his investor's if it was public knowledge. :wink: Though an incarnation of death as CEO of a company... some might think that's about par for the course.

[AcesX1X]

LOL i love Warren's line: "Give them back!"

what does he expect to do? Super-glue them back on?

[rwsmith]

I would just like to give my highest compliments to Kyle and Yost for an outstanding first six issues. Logan's (and the others) commentaries through the various issues have been great additions to this story, not to mention Logan's in issue 6 has been absolutely hilarious.

I agree. That's why only a part of me wants to see Cable back with this team. The other part of me says, "This is Logan's team, and Cable coming back would seriously screw with that dynamic." But then I start thinking about how many other books (particularly team books) that Wolverine appears in, and I say, "Why not bring Cable back and have him lead this team? He founded the original X-Force, is great at black ops, and is a total bad ass in his own right. Plus it's not like Logan doesn't have plenty of other things to do."

So torn...:confused:

Regardless, I'm more than happy with this book right now. In fact, this and Millar's Old Man Logan arc in Wolverine are the two books I most look forward to each and every month. This is a new X-Force for a new millenium, and it's fantastic! The quality of the writing has given me complete faith that Kyle and Yost will do wonders with whomever they add to the roster. I'm loving the return of Archangel, and can't wait to see how they handle Domino. Looks like she and Logan will be hooking up soon. At first I wondered how Cable would take that, but seeing as how he's going to be married soon in some alternate future timeline, it doesn't look like he'll have much right to get pissed off about it.

[jarrod]

Jean looks sexier in black leather. Just saying.

Her kids that aren't her kids can tag along too, if they want.
Only if it's a bustier. Rachel looks better in full body fetish gear with heels and spikes... plus she's taller and better endowed.


Sage would be perfect. I don't think it's wise to include Psylocke. They already have Rahne screwing up the team.
Domino makes Sage redundant. Luck > Planning.

Besides, we all know Sage should be Legacy bound...


1) Team's got enough trackers. Cable is a highly trained commando and founded the original X-Force.
2) Didn't know that. Is her dad Wolverine? I thought this was implied once upon a time, but the writers just dropped the plot thread.
3) Cable is a soldier. He's prepared for anything. Even fighting with X-Force while taking care of a baby at the same time. :wink:
4) Didn't know that, but Cable helped hunt down and destroy the new Weapon X program (the one Frank Tieri wrote). So he has ties to Weapon X as well.
5) So does Cable (telekinesis).
6) For like 2 seconds...:rolleyes:
7) Hmm...maybe. But I fear that having both of them on the team might be a bit too much "convoluted back story involving time travel" for most people. If anyone could make it work it'd be Kyle and Yost, though. That's not sucking up either, it's just fact. :smile:
1) Rachel... um... learned some moves from Kitty during the CTC. She's still working on relearning to handle stairs in heels though.
2) The original plan was literally immaculate conception. Logan's been speculated to be her real daddy too though, which would make some sense too.
3) He can barely handle Bishop, much less "anything"
4) The Hound Program was derived from both the Weapon X and the Genoshian Gene-mod Programs; literally refashioning mutants into weapons and commodities.
5) Rachel brings telekinesis, telepathy and chornokinesis
6) Established relationship still. She also has matching tattoos with Jimmy. Also, Logan wants to sleep with her, as established by Mark Millar. Does Logan want to sleep with Cable? I hope so.
7) Rachel's core backstory is actually less convoluted than Cable's. Another point for the Bright Lady!


Plus if they give Psylocke just her telepathy back (like she had when she was awesome in the 90's) and also add Cable, their powers won't be redundant (because right now Cable has no telepathy anymore, just light telekinesis).

What? I'm just saying...:redface:
There's enough telepaths out there honestly... Betsy's best bet to prevent her redundancy would be to maintain here teke imo (and maybe add back in the precog flashes).

[The Cool Thatguy]

WEAK. I was really expecting Valechan to whip out a laundry list of shit to bust me on. Maybe Valechan is sleeping.

And the 'going for Icarus first' thing isn't really a continuity error, just an actual error on the part of William Stryker. He acted as best he could based on the information from an alternate timeline future Sentinel. Give the man a break. In that timeline, maybe Icarus was Archangel.

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.

...wait, what?

Warren was a known member of X-Factor, when their ship was in the middle of New York, towering over the World Trade Center. The team was public, well known and at no time did Warren ever use an alias.

Warren was for the longest time, one of the most public and well known mutants out there. Barring any recons, I'm pretty sure he was the first 'outted' mutant. He was publically known as a mutant for at least a decade before Grant outted the institution itself. There was even a scandal when it was revealed that he was funding the 'mutant hunters' known as X-Factor.

And hell, that's ignoring the fact that he had blue skin even after he lost his metal wings. People can be stupid sure, but even so the math is pretty basic.

Dunno why it matters, though.

[jarrod]

I think the hazy issue is if the public knew "Archangel" was Warren or the previously outed Angel. Yes he was part of X-Factor, but they wouldn't necessarily know if he was the same person or not?

[The Cool Thatguy]

I think the hazy issue is if the public knew "Archangel" was Warren or the previously outed Angel. Yes he was part of X-Factor, but they wouldn't necessarily know if he was the same person or not?

...why wouldn't they?

His skin color and wings changed, but his face, hair and voice stayed the same. And given that people are used to a 98 pound weakling turning into a giant monster, I don't think a few cosmetic changes would make everyone think it was someone different.

Furthermore, Warren dated a New York cop, and spoke to the EU as a businessman while he still had blue skin.

Granted, the person on the street might not know or care enough to put the two together, but someone researching it for like, an hour, should be able to put two and two together.

Warren being a public figure was a large part of his character. X-Factor was obviously public for a considerable amoint of time, and Warren's blue skin stayed with him when he regained his feather wings. These aren't character facts hidden in the back of say, Marvel Teamup. They were focused on considerably.

Again, dunno why it matters. But anyone who cared to know, knew that Warren was Archangel.

[Pro]

Yes he was part of X-Factor, but they wouldn't necessarily know if he was the same person or not?

If the public is half intelligent they could easily figure it out though. There just happens to be a guy with wings running with the same crowd as the other guy with wings used to? Financial tracing of who bought all the equipment for X-Factor ought to lead directly to Worthington industries. And then there was the period where Warren looked like Warren only with blue skin but still with the metal wings. I think he was visiting the Hellfire Club in that guise as well and with all the well known famous members that club had he was bound to be in one tabloid or another.

It might not be public knowledge as such but anyone with the least bit of observational skills would put two and two together in no time.

[timbox]

If Yost wants to kill off Warren, I'd get over it.

[ExodusCloak]

I think the hazy issue is if the public knew "Archangel" was Warren or the previously outed Angel. Yes he was part of X-Factor, but they wouldn't necessarily know if he was the same person or not?

I feel so ignored...:frown:

Purity had him on their Website. They refer to him as Archangel and Warren Worthington III.

Here's the scan:

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage51pq7.jpg

Xavier, Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Pietro etc are also outed.(X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001)

Here are descriptions of the others and Kitty is banned for trolling their website:
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage52ux2.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage54ag3.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage55fb6.jpg

Ems managed to keep her details isolated the case is called "White Queen".

Anyway it's such a trivial issue....X-Force still rules.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Plus, didn't Stryker have contacts within the intelligence community? If the Purifiers have enough influence/pull to get Shield off their back, why wouldn't they be able to get access to the files on winged mutants. There ain't that many of them and damn near everyone would have the files, written by people who know how to do research.

[ExodusCloak]

Plus, didn't Stryker have contacts within the intelligence community? If the Purifiers have enough influence/pull to get Shield off their back, why wouldn't they be able to get access to the files on winged mutants. There ain't that many of them and damn near everyone would have the files, written by people who know how to do research.

I guess Stryker never thought of going to the Purity forums. :biggrin:

It's a negligible blip IMO. Still love X-Force.

[jarrod]

I feel so ignored...:frown:

Purity had him on their Website. They refer to him as Archangel and Warren Worthington III.

Here's the scan:

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage51pq7.jpg

Xavier, Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Pietro etc are also outed.(X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001)

Here are descriptions of the others and Kitty is banned for trolling their website:
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage52ux2.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage54ag3.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage55fb6.jpg

Ems managed to keep her details isolated the case is called "White Queen".

Anyway it's such a trivial issue....X-Force still rules.
D'oh!

Still, I could see how intelligence might get muddied. Warren also wasn't actually with the X-Men when the Purifiers struck.

[LawGiver]

Eh, no Cable in this book please. I like this team the way it is, why screw up the leadership after one arc?

[The Cool Thatguy]

D'oh!

Still, I could see how intelligence might get muddied. Warren also wasn't actually with the X-Men when the Purifiers struck.

So does that mean when the Beatles broke up, everyone forgot their membership? ;)

[jarrod]

So does that mean when the Beatles broke up, everyone forgot their membership? ;)
No, but maybe due to the timing, they thought the mutant needed would be literally at the mansion during that period? And even given Warren's history, they wouldn't have known for sure his current wings would still retain the Celestial tech (after all, the X-Men themselves didn't know that).

[The Cool Thatguy]

No, but maybe due to the timing, they thought the mutant needed would be literally at the mansion during that period? And even given Warren's history, they wouldn't have known for sure his current wings would still retain the Celestial tech (after all, the X-Men themselves didn't know that).

But why they think that Jay's wings had the tech?

Honestly, attacking the mansion required them planning on getting past all kinds of automated defenses, several high powered mutants and a whole bunch of sentinels. That's no mean feat and required alot of planning (off panel, natch) on their part.

If they're going to put all that effort into the assault, why wouldn't they at least expend half that making sure that their desired target was there?

[ExodusCloak]

But why they think that Jay's wings had the tech?

Honestly, attacking the mansion required them planning on getting past all kinds of automated defenses, several high powered mutants and a whole bunch of sentinels. That's no mean feat and required alot of planning (off panel, natch) on their part.

If they're going to put all that effort into the assault, why wouldn't they at least expend half that making sure that their desired target was there?

Stryker suffers from memory loss? :confused:

[streator]

this looks alright.

i'm assuming bastion will be alright. it would be cool if wolverine was responsible for cutting his head off again, though.

[jarrod]

But why they think that Jay's wings had the tech?

Honestly, attacking the mansion required them planning on getting past all kinds of automated defenses, several high powered mutants and a whole bunch of sentinels. That's no mean feat and required alot of planning (off panel, natch) on their part.

If they're going to put all that effort into the assault, why wouldn't they at least expend half that making sure that their desired target was there?
Maybe their intel was faulty? Wasn't that mentioned in passing too?

For example, if Nimrod told Stryker that the target would be with the X-Men at the Institute at a certain time, and Jay was there while Warren wasn't, then they'd have naturally assumed the target was Jay. It's really pretty easy to explain away and it wouldn't even have been the first time Nimrod's data was faulty (see: dust).

[The Cool Thatguy]

Maybe their intel was faulty? Wasn't that mentioned in passing too?

For example, if Nimrod told Stryker that the target would be with the X-Men at the Institute at a certain time, and Jay was there while Warren wasn't, then they'd have naturally assumed the target was Jay. It's really pretty easy to explain away and it wouldn't even have been the first time Nimrod's data was faulty (see: dust).

So Jay is mistaken for a founding X-Man?

If the intel was that bad, how'd they ever find the mansion? ;)

[Seikun21]

So Jay is mistaken for a founding X-Man?

If the intel was that bad, how'd they ever find the mansion? ;)

It was shaped like a big X. At least I think it was for a little while at some point.

[LawGiver]

So Jay is mistaken for a founding X-Man?

If the intel was that bad, how'd they ever find the mansion? ;)

It took a while, many schools in that region were attacked and had school buses blown up. It was a sad day for public schools.

[jarrod]

So Jay is mistaken for a founding X-Man?

If the intel was that bad, how'd they ever find the mansion? ;)
Where was it said the intel pointed to a founding X-Man? I think your overcomplicating things here...

[ExodusCloak]

So Jay is mistaken for a founding X-Man?

If the intel was that bad, how'd they ever find the mansion? ;)

Telephone directory.

The address is right there under Charles Francis Xavier.

[darknessatnoon]

Kitty Pryde filled the internet once with viruses to confuse references to the X-Men. I'm sure the Purifiers didn't have completely accurate intel.

Anyway, Sage. Please?

Thx.

[Chris Yost]

Stryker had limited intel from the Nimrod unit. Nimrod didn't tell him 'Archangel,' it told him mutant with wings, alien strain, stuff like that.

And I, whom I like to equate with the general public, know jack about people addressing the EU, or CEOs of major companies. If it's not on Dlisted, I don't know it. So while a bunch of cops and politicians may be aware, and while the intelligence community may be aware, and while Purity may have been aware, I'm sticking with John Farmer in Montana not being aware.

And CERTAINLY not that he was DEATH. Otherwise, wouldn't they arrest him? The Horsemen attacked the city. At the very least, they'd want to question him about the whereabouts of Apocalypse, who recently attacked Washington DC in a big Sphinx or Pyramid or something.

But again, while Stryker was connected, there were lots of mutants with wings. Icarus seemed like a good bet at the time.

And furthermore, New Cyclops would never give out a list of names, if indeed he did, when the school went public. It'd look stupid for one. 'Rogue,' and 'Logan (real name not on file)' would probably LOSE them more students than anything. On top of the fact that not a single one of them had any sort of teaching credentials with the exception of EMMA, who we all just said did NOT give her name out.

Just because Bobby was an accountant, doesn't make him a good economics teacher.

And I think we can all agree... not a continuity error.

[timbox]

Nimrod's memory is still corrupted from trying to mess with Surge anyways, so don't count on accurate information from him!

Maybe they should recruit Surge to finish the job, X-Force doesn't have good offensive capabilities against robots.


Chris, are you drooling over some Choi pages yet? Post some please!

[LawGiver]

Stryker had limited intel from the Nimrod unit. Nimrod didn't tell him 'Archangel,' it told him mutant with wings, alien strain, stuff like that.

And I, whom I like to equate with the general public, know jack about people addressing the EU, or CEOs of major companies. If it's not on Dlisted, I don't know it. So while a bunch of cops and politicians may be aware, and while the intelligence community may be aware, and while Purity may have been aware, I'm sticking with John Farmer in Montana not being aware.

And CERTAINLY not that he was DEATH. Otherwise, wouldn't they arrest him? The Horsemen attacked the city. At the very least, they'd want to question him about the whereabouts of Apocalypse, who recently attacked Washington DC in a big Sphinx or Pyramid or something.

But again, while Stryker was connected, there were lots of mutants with wings. Icarus seemed like a good bet at the time.

And furthermore, New Cyclops would never give out a list of names, if indeed he did, when the school went public. It'd look stupid for one. 'Rogue,' and 'Logan (real name not on file)' would probably LOSE them more students than anything. On top of the fact that not a single one of them had any sort of teaching credentials with the exception of EMMA, who we all just said did NOT give her name out.

Just because Bobby was an accountant, doesn't make him a good economics teacher.

And I think we can all agree... not a continuity error.

To be fair, I don't believe any of us recall Apocalypse attacking DC, nope, certainly can't recall that one.

[Novaya Havoc]

If it's not on Dlisted, I don't know it.

You're a man after my own heart!

Does this mean we can expect the Gorgeous Shauna Sand and Phoebe Price to appear?! :D

[darknessatnoon]

Nimrod's memory is still corrupted from trying to mess with Surge anyways, so don't count on accurate information from him!

Maybe they should recruit Surge to finish the job, X-Force doesn't have good offensive capabilities against robots.


Chris, are you drooling over some Choi pages yet? Post some please!

Chris, can you please authorize a no-prize for timbox's explanation?

[jarrod]

Mr. Yost, I applaud you on being up to date with Milligan's epic X-Men run.


Might I suggest adding PULSE to your fine lineup of covert operatives?

[Grunty]

And I think we can all agree... not a continuity error.

True, but i never tried to say it was a continuity error, just stupidy by the Purifiers.

Since it was kind of strange how the Purifiers could know about Bastion, who barely was known outside the ranks of the X-men and SHIELD, but had not the necesary intel to know which winged mutant might have alien tech in his body. Especialy after we have been told that they have their spies everywhere, from the army, to the government, to SHIELD.

Okay the Bastion thing was explained in this issue with Eli.

The only reason i pointed it out was because it felt a bit like a late excuse why Icarus was killed like that (since at that point neither Messiah Complex nor X-force was planned).

[rwsmith]

X-Force doesn't have good offensive capabilities against robots.

Since when are adamantium claws and vibranium knives that can cut through steel like butter not effective against robots!? :confused:

[timbox]

Since when are adamantium claws and vibranium knives that can cut through steel like butter not effective against robots!? :confused:

Self-repairing robots from the future, rwsmith. We're not talking about Johnny 5 here.

[rwsmith]

Well, in that case, Cable has some nifty weaponry that would be quite effective. He's even fought Bastion twice before. :wink:

[ExodusCloak]

Stryker had limited intel from the Nimrod unit. Nimrod didn't tell him 'Archangel,' it told him mutant with wings, alien strain, stuff like that.

And I, whom I like to equate with the general public, know jack about people addressing the EU, or CEOs of major companies. If it's not on Dlisted, I don't know it. So while a bunch of cops and politicians may be aware, and while the intelligence community may be aware, and while Purity may have been aware, I'm sticking with John Farmer in Montana not being aware.

And CERTAINLY not that he was DEATH. Otherwise, wouldn't they arrest him? The Horsemen attacked the city. At the very least, they'd want to question him about the whereabouts of Apocalypse, who recently attacked Washington DC in a big Sphinx or Pyramid or something.

But again, while Stryker was connected, there were lots of mutants with wings. Icarus seemed like a good bet at the time.

And furthermore, New Cyclops would never give out a list of names, if indeed he did, when the school went public. It'd look stupid for one. 'Rogue,' and 'Logan (real name not on file)' would probably LOSE them more students than anything. On top of the fact that not a single one of them had any sort of teaching credentials with the exception of EMMA, who we all just said did NOT give her name out.

Just because Bobby was an accountant, doesn't make him a good economics teacher.

And I think we can all agree... not a continuity error.

Agreed, the kind of people who write on the Purity Forums are some of Emma's Human students from Gen X and that troll Kitty Pryde. They're probably only the size of our comic book internet community which is pretty small.
The X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001(The Purity bit) is pretty cool though, it has quotes from that Cab Driver Emil who picked up Emma in Morrisons X-Men and some Selectman called Donald Concrak who I've never heard of before.

[Chris Yost]

Self-repairing robots from the future, rwsmith. We're not talking about Johnny 5 here.

That's hysterical.

[timbox]

That's hysterical.

I'll take that as a "Yes, Surge is joining X-Force."

I love you.

[jarrod]

Well, in that case, Cable has some nifty weaponry that would be quite effective. He's even fought Bastion twice before. :wink:
Oh! Oh! Rachel is from the future and her intimate knowledge of Nimrod and like Sentinels. She would be a valuable resource!

[timbox]

Surge was leading attacks on Purifiers with lethal intentions before it was cool. Who do you think gave Cyclops the idea for this new X-Force team?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/349669-110991-surge_super.jpg

[jarrod]

Who do you think gave Cyclops the idea for this new X-Force team?
Rachel Summers in Uncanny X-Men #207. Wolverine also objected then. It's canon.

[The Thunderbird]

I think Emma and Shaw were the only ones who managed to keep their details from being leaked to the public...I have to check Warren though. (Be right back)

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http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage54ag3.jpg
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They don't know Jean's name either. Can't believe they hate mutants so much they refer to them as it rather than he or she.

I really want Jean back more than anything, but I don't think she would join X-Force. She doesn't seem to enjoy killing.

[jarrod]

Uh, didn't Jean go on Xaiver's worldwide tour with him? Weren't all the teachers identities made public? The media *really* didn't know her? Hell, for awhile she didn't even have a code name...

[timbox]

I really want Jean back more than anything, but I don't think she would join X-Force. She doesn't seem to enjoy killing.

Dust: Jean Grey told me that X-men do not kill.
X-23: And where is she now?

[MartinRedmond]

207 really pissed me off cause Selene had it coming.

Looking back, the story kind of denotes a little irony considering how eager Rachel was to kill The Beyonder simply for trying to "fix things" in the previous story. Then when she tries to "fix things", she reveives the same treatment she had in mind for The Beyonder.

[ExodusCloak]

Uh, didn't Jean go on Xaiver's worldwide tour with him? Weren't all the teachers identities made public? The media *really* didn't know her? Hell, for awhile she didn't even have a code name...

True.

They don't know Jean's name either. .

They have pictures though, wasn't she supposed to be a failed model.

[jarrod]

Dust: Jean Grey told me that X-men do not kill.
X-23: And where is she now?
LOLOLZA



sorry Slung. :frown:

[jarrod]

207 really pissed me off cause Selene had it coming.

Looking back, the story kind of denotes a little irony considering how eager Rachel was to kill The Beyonder simply for trying to "fix things" in the previous story. Then when she tries to "fix things", she reveives the same treatment she had in mind for The Beyonder.
Yeah. The double standard on Logan's end made my head spin too. Kitty should've hatespeeched him out.

[Imraith Nimphais]

GODDESS!!!! NONONONONONONONONO!!!!...No Jean. No Rachel. No Pulse...I love the current line-up number...small, efficient and deadly...keep all that "soap opera" drama (that is sure to ensue should the aforementioned be brought in) right where it belongs...in the "other" x-titles...and out of the pages of my beloved X-force.

[Pach!]

I second Pulse!

Gus is a blank slate and his powers are great.

[Falconen]

You're a man after my own heart!

Does this mean we can expect the Gorgeous Shauna Sand and Phoebe Price to appear?! :D

I was thinking the same thing. Will Ho Han show up? What about LaDouche?

[jarrod]

Pulse Pulse Pulse

[The Cool Thatguy]

Stryker had limited intel from the Nimrod unit. Nimrod didn't tell him 'Archangel,' it told him mutant with wings, alien strain, stuff like that.

And I, whom I like to equate with the general public, know jack about people addressing the EU, or CEOs of major companies. If it's not on Dlisted, I don't know it. So while a bunch of cops and politicians may be aware, and while the intelligence community may be aware, and while Purity may have been aware, I'm sticking with John Farmer in Montana not being aware.

And CERTAINLY not that he was DEATH. Otherwise, wouldn't they arrest him? The Horsemen attacked the city. At the very least, they'd want to question him about the whereabouts of Apocalypse, who recently attacked Washington DC in a big Sphinx or Pyramid or something.

But again, while Stryker was connected, there were lots of mutants with wings. Icarus seemed like a good bet at the time.

And furthermore, New Cyclops would never give out a list of names, if indeed he did, when the school went public. It'd look stupid for one. 'Rogue,' and 'Logan (real name not on file)' would probably LOSE them more students than anything. On top of the fact that not a single one of them had any sort of teaching credentials with the exception of EMMA, who we all just said did NOT give her name out.

Just because Bobby was an accountant, doesn't make him a good economics teacher.

And I think we can all agree... not a continuity error.

Bad intel I could see, but not knowing Warren was Archangel? That's really pushing it.

Warren was never a recluse. He was the first outted mutant. His funding of X-Factor, then believed to be mutant hunters, was a huge scandal. He was throwing his weight around as a businessman for years. Blue skin and metal wings shouldn't confuse anyone when the face, hair color and voice remain exactly the same.

The reason why he was never arrested for his actions as Death is because he could claim mind control and has really good lawyers. Plus, writers don't wanna deal with the consquences of a character's past action unless it compliments their plots.

I mean hell, look at Wolverine. In his own series, he kills dozens of people an issue. In New Avengers, he's associating with known outlaws and criminals, something the director of Shield knows for a fact. Yet not once has Iron Man or anyone else ever confronted him about any of those facts, despite the fact that he's a known X-Man and the X-Men have a publically declared base!

Again, dunno why it matters, (I'm only debating this point 'cause I'm right ;)) but I'm sure the public knew or could easily know that Warren was Archangel.

I mean, come on! He wore the same costume Appoccy gave him when working with X-Factor. Clearly a debriefing of some kind occured.

[LawGiver]

Bad intel I could see, but not knowing Warren was Archangel? That's really pushing it.

Warren was never a recluse. He was the first outted mutant. His funding of X-Factor, then believed to be mutant hunters, was a huge scandal. He was throwing his weight around as a businessman for years. Blue skin and metal wings shouldn't confuse anyone when the face, hair color and voice remain exactly the same.

The reason why he was never arrested for his actions as Death is because he could claim mind control and has really good lawyers. Plus, writers don't wanna deal with the consquences of a character's past action unless it compliments their plots.

I mean hell, look at Wolverine. In his own series, he kills dozens of people an issue. In New Avengers, he's associating with known outlaws and criminals, something the director of Shield knows for a fact. Yet not once has Iron Man or anyone else ever confronted him about any of those facts, despite the fact that he's a known X-Man and the X-Men have a publically declared base!

Again, dunno why it matters, (I'm only debating this point 'cause I'm right ;)) but I'm sure the public knew or could easily know that Warren was Archangel.

I mean, come on! He wore the same costume Appoccy gave him when working with X-Factor. Clearly a debriefing of some kind occured.

Most of the public couldn't tell you the first 10 amendments in the Consitution. Face it, the general public is generally stupid.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Most of the public couldn't tell you the first 10 amendments in the Consitution. Face it, the general public is generally stupid.

The general public also doesn't have the ability to launch major assaults on heavily guarded mansions with three levels of defenses. Joe Average couldn't rob a bank without getting caught, let alone a religious movement intent on an underground war. Joe Average would have turned Nimrod into scrap, or at the very least, would never have been able to open up Nimrod's memory banks.

Perhaps Joe Average measurement isn't the bar that should be met? Stryker's supposed to be involved in covert ops. Maybe someone involved in the intelligence field should be written with, I dunno, some intelligence?

[Slung]

Dust: Jean Grey told me that X-men do not kill.
X-23: And where is she now?

Tell that to the asparagus people (Who she ate with butter!) Or Prism (who shattered)! Or Seamus (who she tossed to another continent)! Or that ugly Morlock (who she shut down his brain)! Jean kills. She just prefers to be classy and tell the students that its bad. She's a real mentor. Unlike some other teachers and X-Men leaders I know.

LOLOLZA



sorry Slung. :frown:

Boo! Whore!

[The Thunderbird]

Or Seamus (who she tossed to another continent)!

He lived actually, even if Jean tried to kill him. He was super durable. But he ended up dying shortly after when Multiple Man shoved his hand down his throat and created a duplicate inside him. He exploded. But she killed the D'Bari (as Dark Phoenix), Prism, and Meme, so her hands aren't completely free of blood.

[The Cool Thatguy]

He lived actually, even if Jean tried to kill him. But he ended up dying shortly after when Multiple Man shoved his hand down his throat and created a duplicate inside him. He exploded. But she killed the D'Bari (as Dark Phoenix), Prism, and Meme, so her hands aren't completely free of blood.

He actually survived that too, somehow. That bugger was tough!

[Henry T.]

He lived actually, even if Jean tried to kill him. He was super durable. But he ended up dying shortly after when Multiple Man shoved his hand down his throat and created a duplicate inside him. He exploded. But she killed the D'Bari (as Dark Phoenix), Prism, and Meme, so her hands aren't completely free of blood.

Jean killed Infectia's Anti-Bodies too. She reduced them to ash.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Jean killed Infectia's Anti-Bodies too. She reduced them to ash.

They were gonna die anyways. Any stress on their system would kill them anyways. Beast destroyed one simply by squeezing it's wrist.

[nikbackm]

I feel so ignored...:frown:

Purity had him on their Website. They refer to him as Archangel and Warren Worthington III.

Here's the scan:

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage51pq7.jpg

Xavier, Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Pietro etc are also outed.(X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001)

Here are descriptions of the others and Kitty is banned for trolling their website:
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage52ux2.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage54ag3.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage55fb6.jpg

Ems managed to keep her details isolated the case is called "White Queen".

Anyway it's such a trivial issue....X-Force still rules.

Are these files available in printed form? The Purifier's website seems to be down for the moment. Maybe X-Force shut it down already :biggrin:

[fitditz]

WEAK. I was really expecting Valechan to whip out a laundry list of shit to bust me on. Maybe Valechan is sleeping.

And the 'going for Icarus first' thing isn't really a continuity error, just an actual error on the part of William Stryker. He acted as best he could based on the information from an alternate timeline future Sentinel. Give the man a break. In that timeline, maybe Icarus was Archangel.

And I can't believe that Warren Worthington as Archangel was public knowledge.
She's been replying to other threads on other forums so no she's not sleeping...she's just full of hot air. My guess is that she is unsurprisingly absent from the x-forum for a little while.

Someone should PM her that she's wanted....

[Valeria Kementari]

He/She keeps referencing these continuity mistakes and keeps spreading the haterade but has nothing to back it up....valechan, here's your chance to speak up...are you up to the challenge or are you gonna fade away?

Let's see:

a) Graydon Creed's body was turned to ashes, no corpse (X-Factor 130)
b) Steven Lang and Cameron Hodge were absorbed by the Phalanx, turned into Phalanx, and when the X-Men destroyed the Bable spires all Phalanx lifeforms had been destroyed (The Phalanx Covenant crossover)
c) Bastion was utterly destroyed, there was no body left, no mind left (Warlock #9)

And that's just off the top of my head since I've only read each issue once and I barely remember them.

[rwsmith]

Let's see:

a) Graydon Creed's body was turned to ashes, no corpse (X-Factor 130)
b) Steven Lang and Cameron Hodge were absorbed by the Phalanx, turned into Phalanx, and when the X-Men destroyed the Bable spires all Phalanx lifeforms had been destroyed (The Phalanx Covenant crossover)
c) Bastion was utterly destroyed, there was no body left, no mind left (Warlock #9)

And that's just off the top of my head since I've only read each issue once and I barely remember them.

I'll save Chris some time:

a) Not sure about that one, so I'll just move on...
b) Apparently the remains of the Phalanx were still down at the bottom of the Himalayas, which is why the Purifiers went there to retrieve them in issue #3 (I think, but it could've been #4).
c) Bastion's head was not destroyed, and that was what was put on Nimrod's body in order to re-create him. Did you not read issue #1?

I don't know about Creed's body, as I remember him being reduced to ashes as well, but those other two were perfectly explained in this series.

[Valeria Kementari]

b) they found MAGUS, not the Phalanx. Magus was not a part of the Phalanx invasion that Lang and Hodge were a part of. Not to mention that there wouldn't be any human tissue left of any of them as they had both been very thoroughly turned into Phalanx

c) Bastion's entire being was destroyed in the short lived Warlock series, he had renamed himself into Template, it is very CLEARLY expressed in Warlock 8 that, allow me to quote please:

"His PROGRAM, your program, no longer exists! It's been overwritten... destroyed by the Phalanx imperative"

Warlock clearly says that Template, aka Bastion, was destroyed, his program lost, and there was no head afterwards.

It's weird also they found MAgus in the bottom of the ocean when in his last appearance he was LEAVING EARTH in Warlock 9

[rwsmith]

b) No, they retrieved Magus from the bottom of the ocean. They got the remains of the Phalanx from the bottom of the Himalayas. Go back and re-read it.

c) Didn't know that, as I never read Warlock. Last I remember Bastion's head was still around in that 4-issue Astonishing X-men series where it was revealed that Wolverine was Death and he killed the Skrull version of himself. You may be right on this one.

I also didn't know about the Magus leaving Earth in Warlock either. Sounds like maybe Yost didn't read that series either. In fact, I don't think many people did, which is probably why it didn't last long.

[Valeria Kementari]

b) No, they retrieved Magus from the bottom of the ocean. They got the remains of the Phalanx from the bottom of the Himalayas. Go back and re-read it.

c) Didn't know that, as I never read Warlock. Last I remember Bastion's head was still around in that 4-issue Astonishing X-men series where it was revealed that Wolverine was Death and he killed the Skrull version of himself. You may be right on this one.

I also didn't know about the Magus leaving Earth in Warlock either. Sounds like maybe Yost didn't read that series either. In fact, I don't think many people did, which is probably why it didn't last long.

Wether it's been read or not it's canon, it was published, those events happened in the 616 universe, hence they should be taken into account.

Even if they did found "remains" of the Phalanx (which is very unlikely seeing as some Phalanx had survived and escaped in Cable 16) there shouldn't have been remains for Lang and Hodge, since they were at the epicenter of the explosion that took the PHalanx down

[rwsmith]

I never said it wasn't canon. In fact, I said you might be right because I never read Warlock. Chill.

As for Lang and Hodge's remains, isn't it possible that if they found some remains of the Phalanx that they would be in there? After all, the Phalanx was a collective, so if you get even a piece of it you get all of it. Or at least all of it that was up in their base in the Himalayas, I would think. Just my theory, but I don't see this one as a big continuity error.

Bastion being destroyed and Magus leaving Earth in the Warlock series, however, I might have to give to you unless Chris has another explanation.

[Valeria Kementari]

When someone is absorbed into the Phalanx technarchy that someones looses all sense of self and their body becomes techno-organic mesh, there is no way to extract an absorbed being from the phalanx collective. It was different in the recent Annihilation Conquest, where some beings were turned into "selects", who just had a superficial transformation. But that wasn't the case in the past. Someone as deeply transformed as Lang and Hodge would have been impossible to separate from any little piece of remains

[Hakael]

There comes a time when you need to just stop being a nerd, chill out, and enjoy a good read. Things get overlooked in comic continuity often, because there are so many different books that don't make it and so many dangling plot lines left out there that they're open to interperetation.

When someone is absorbed into the Phalanx technarchy that someones looses all sense of self and their body becomes techno-organic mesh, there is no way to extract an absorbed being from the phalanx collective. It was different in the recent Annihilation Conquest, where some beings were turned into "selects", who just had a superficial transformation. But that wasn't the case in the past. Someone as deeply transformed as Lang and Hodge would have been impossible to separate from any little piece of remains

also, go re-read the phalanx covenant. Lang and Hodge weren't as assimilated as you seem to remember. Hodge was still very much acting like Cameron Hodge and maintained certain amount of his personality, and Lang had turned against the collective at the end realizing that the phalanx weren't going to "save" humanity... his body was also largely flesh, and not the techno-organic mass that Hodge had become.

[Chris Yost]

Let's see:

a) Graydon Creed's body was turned to ashes, no corpse (X-Factor 130)
b) Steven Lang and Cameron Hodge were absorbed by the Phalanx, turned into Phalanx, and when the X-Men destroyed the Bable spires all Phalanx lifeforms had been destroyed (The Phalanx Covenant crossover)
c) Bastion was utterly destroyed, there was no body left, no mind left (Warlock #9)

And that's just off the top of my head since I've only read each issue once and I barely remember them.

A - they buried the ashes, which even though they were ash-y, contained JUST enough Creed DNA to reform him.

B - Enough of the human remains of Hodge and Lang survived at the bottom of the chasm at Mount Everest remained to reconstitute them. Many characters in the Marvel Universe explain being at the epicenter of an explosion. it's a necessary skill.

C - As Bastion said in issue 3 of X-Force, 'This is Magus. Or, perhaps more accurate, a mindless offspring of Magus.' And Bastion's head - even in 'Warlock,' they had established that Template/Mainspring had been using decoys/dupes. Isn't it plausible the one that died in the big explosion was another dupe? I think so. And besides, whoever wrote X-Men: Declassified really had to bridge that gap, not us. When last seen, Bastion's head was still in play.

You could have had 3 No-Prizes!

[lockerogue]

Mmmm more reasons as to why I love X-Force. I need my fix. I've read 1-5 way to many times. Is there a way I get the bloody variants through subscription?

[Pach!]

Chris Yost is posting so much more now! I think I will bring up the words "continuity error" every issue from now on.

[Valeria Kementari]

There comes a time when you need to just stop being a nerd, chill out, and enjoy a good read. Things get overlooked in comic continuity often, because there are so many different books that don't make it and so many dangling plot lines left out there that they're open to interperetation.



also, go re-read the phalanx covenant. Lang and Hodge weren't as assimilated as you seem to remember. Hodge was still very much acting like Cameron Hodge and maintained certain amount of his personality, and Lang had turned against the collective at the end realizing that the phalanx weren't going to "save" humanity... his body was also largely flesh, and not the techno-organic mass that Hodge had become.

Well for me reading a character like Rahne killing and maiming is not a definition of "a good read".

- they buried the ashes, which even though they were ash-y, contained JUST enough Creed DNA to reform him.

B - Enough of the human remains of Hodge and Lang survived at the bottom of the chasm at Mount Everest remained to reconstitute them. Many characters in the Marvel Universe explain being at the epicenter of an explosion. it's a necessary skill.

C - As Bastion said in issue 3 of X-Force, 'This is Magus. Or, perhaps more accurate, a mindless offspring of Magus.' And Bastion's head - even in 'Warlock,' they had established that Template/Mainspring had been using decoys/dupes. Isn't it plausible the one that died in the big explosion was another dupe? I think so. And besides, whoever wrote X-Men: Declassified really had to bridge that gap, not us. When last seen, Bastion's head was still in play.

You could have had 3 No-Prizes!

a)It's a bit too much to believe that from a pile of ashes they could recreate a body just o have him sit and not even show any of the original character's traits...

b) When I see Hodge's hand taking Lang into the ground as the entire Phalanx tower is being destroyed around them I find it hard to believe they might have survived. Also, Warlock vowed to rid the world of all technarch and their remains. Since he left earth as was recently shown in Nova it might be because he had succeeded in his task and might've taken care of those little remains.

c) Even if Bastion had a duplicate it had been stated that his program had been deleted, that his core being, the "essence" of what made him Bastion no longer existed, so why would a duplicate body (which by the way didn't look like Bastion at all) have the Bastion files if they were deleted?

Besides if that is what happened as you say, why wasn't it in the books? The classic "oh no I didn't die, this is what really happened" has been a tradition of comic books for ages, if that's the way it happened it should have been explained in the books.

[Hakael]

its a continuity error that Hellion isn't in this book. :biggrin:

[Pach!]

Chris Yost!

A while ago you teased that there were 3 new members.

One sexy, one brutal and one unexpected.

Which was Archangel? Unexpected, brutal or sexy?

[Bingo!]

A - they buried the ashes, which even though they were ash-y, contained JUST enough Creed DNA to reform him.

B - Enough of the human remains of Hodge and Lang survived at the bottom of the chasm at Mount Everest remained to reconstitute them. Many characters in the Marvel Universe explain being at the epicenter of an explosion. it's a necessary skill.

C - As Bastion said in issue 3 of X-Force, 'This is Magus. Or, perhaps more accurate, a mindless offspring of Magus.' And Bastion's head - even in 'Warlock,' they had established that Template/Mainspring had been using decoys/dupes. Isn't it plausible the one that died in the big explosion was another dupe? I think so. And besides, whoever wrote X-Men: Declassified really had to bridge that gap, not us. When last seen, Bastion's head was still in play.

You could have had 3 No-Prizes!

Because of the energy your title contains, I'll gladly accept these responses.

Keep up the great work!

[Hakael]

Well for me reading a character like Rahne killing and maiming is not a definition of "a good read".



a)It's a bit too much to believe that from a pile of ashes they could recreate a body just o have him sit and not even show any of the original character's traits...

b) When I see Hodge's hand taking Lang into the ground as the entire Phalanx tower is being destroyed around them I find it hard to believe they might have survived. Also, Warlock vowed to rid the world of all technarch and their remains. Since he left earth as was recently shown in Nova it might be because he had succeeded in his task and might've taken care of those little remains.

c) Even if Bastion had a duplicate it had been stated that his program had been deleted, that his core being, the "essence" of what made him Bastion no longer existed, so why would a duplicate body (which by the way didn't look like Bastion at all) have the Bastion files if they were deleted?

Besides if that is what happened as you say, why wasn't it in the books? The classic "oh no I didn't die, this is what really happened" has been a tradition of comic books for ages, if that's the way it happened it should have been explained in the books.


Ugh, things are allowed to happen off panel for the sake of telling a story, and if you refuse to go from point A to point B when you've been shown a map that shows a path between the two it doesn't make it a contiunity problem...

1. Bastion brought back people like Graydon Creed because of who they represent, not necessarily what they are. They're figureheads, they lead movements to kill mutants and their names have power. Bastion wants to maintain some level of control over them, and that power.

2. Computer programs back themselves up all the time. For all we know, there were tons of data and personality backups on Bastion.

3. with the remains inert and unactive, its possible that Warlock believed the collective containing Hodge and Lang to be completely destroyed when they were actually salvagable.

[timbox]

Chris Yost!

A while ago you teased that there were 3 new members.

One sexy, one brutal and one unexpected.

Which was Archangel? Unexpected, brutal or sexy?

Brutal of course, Surge is unexpected, Domino is sexy.

[claimtosubclaim]

Well for me reading a character like Rahne killing and maiming is not a definition of "a good read".

There's been no indication of Rahne killing anyone. She did however get captured, shot, drugged, and used against her will. Not quite the bloodhound that you make her out to be.


b) When I see Hodge's hand taking Lang into the ground as the entire Phalanx tower is being destroyed around them I find it hard to believe they might have survived. Also, Warlock vowed to rid the world of all technarch and their remains. Since he left earth as was recently shown in Nova it might be because he had succeeded in his task and might've taken care of those little remains.

Might've? Yeah. Try to pass that off as in-continuity.



a)It's a bit too much to believe that from a pile of ashes they could recreate a body just o have him sit and not even show any of the original character's traits...

Besides if that is what happened as you say, why wasn't it in the books? The classic "oh no I didn't die, this is what really happened" has been a tradition of comic books for ages, if that's the way it happened it should have been explained in the books.

If everything that ever happened was explained on-panel, then there wouldn't be much room for actual stories and character beats, just characters explaining how everything happened for 23 pages. The narrative structure of comics asks you to
a.) Make some logical conclusions on your own, because they don't have unlimited page space; not to mention, using exposition for obvious explanations are a waste of time.
b.) Suspend some disbelief. You're acting as if what happened is the most unbelievable phenomena in a world where characters can travel on astral planes, be reborn, punch time itself, etc.

[Pach!]

Brutal of course, Surge is unexpected, Domino is sexy.

Timbox, I too love Surge. But she is trying to walk away from her previous life of violence.

[timbox]

Timbox, I too love Surge. But she is trying to walk away from her previous life of violence.

Chris Yost himself basically confirmed it, without dropping too many spoilers.

Check these links:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7420543&postcount=107
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7420647&postcount=117

[Chris Yost]

Well for me reading a character like Rahne killing and maiming is not a definition of "a good read".

a)It's a bit too much to believe that from a pile of ashes they could recreate a body just o have him sit and not even show any of the original character's traits...

b) When I see Hodge's hand taking Lang into the ground as the entire Phalanx tower is being destroyed around them I find it hard to believe they might have survived. Also, Warlock vowed to rid the world of all technarch and their remains. Since he left earth as was recently shown in Nova it might be because he had succeeded in his task and might've taken care of those little remains.

c) Even if Bastion had a duplicate it had been stated that his program had been deleted, that his core being, the "essence" of what made him Bastion no longer existed, so why would a duplicate body (which by the way didn't look like Bastion at all) have the Bastion files if they were deleted?

Besides if that is what happened as you say, why wasn't it in the books? The classic "oh no I didn't die, this is what really happened" has been a tradition of comic books for ages, if that's the way it happened it should have been explained in the books.

If you don't LIKE and ENJOY the book, that's totally cool and I accept that. But come on.

A) If that's a bit too much to believe, I don't know what to tell you. That's what happened. Is it more or less hard to believe than an irradiated spider biting some kid and giving him spider-powers?

B) They didn't survive. They died. Their bodies were revived. As far as Warlock wiping out all the Phalanx, well, Warlock's not perfect. And they were dead.

C) I recover deleted files from my hard drive frequently. The FBI does it from hard drives that were smashed and burned. 'Template' overwrote Bastion, was destroyed, and the Bastion programming survived. That's the least hard thing to believe here.

Again, this book is not for everyone. I suspect you may be someone who will never like it, and that's cool. We'll be okay. ten years from now, another writer will come in and 'fix' everything you didn't like, and we're cool with that too. It's the nature of the beast.

But what you call 'continuity errors,' we call 'story opportunities.'

And we explain everything we can in the books without bogging things down or outright scaring people away. It's a fine line to walk. We love continuity, but we don't want the EXPLANATION to hurt the story. It all works, we truly believe that, but we don't want to beat people over the head with it. A mention here, a mention there... anything more, then we become an illustrated Wikipedia page.

[Chris Yost]

Archangel is brutal, Domino is sexy.

And actually, a fourth new member popped up after that statement.

[Valeria Kementari]

2. Computer programs back themselves up all the time. For all we know, there were tons of data and personality backups on Bastion.

Why would the phalanx allow a dangerous program like bastion's "mind" to still be around? It was clearly said it was deleted, and it doesn't make sense that the phalanx, who had complete control of bastion at the time would allow for a backup.

There's been no indication of Rahne killing and maiming people (other than removing Warren's wings when she was under mind control). She did however get captured, shot, drugged, and used against her will. Not quite the bloodhound that you make her out to be.

Well I don't want to see her suffering that either :p

If everything that ever happened was explained on-panel, then there wouldn't be much room for actual stories and character beats, just characters explaining how everything happened for 23 pages. The narrative structure of comics asks you to
a.) Make some logical conclusions on your own, because they don't have unlimited page space; not to mention, using exposition for obvious explanations are a waste of time.
b.) Suspend some disbelief. You're acting as if what happened is the most unbelievable phenomena in a world where characters can travel on astral planes, be reborn, punch time itself, etc.

If in the past they could explain in detail what happened in the previous issues of a story, explain in detail the powers of the heroes/villains involved and what exactly was that they were doing then it's not necesary to let the people guess what happened. When I see a character that had been irrevocably destroyed like Graydon Creed and he just appears once more without an explanation that is a continuity error to me, there should have been a more thorough explanation of what happened. I don't understand why some writers have this sort of aversion to caption boxes, when they can be so useful... goddess I miss Claremont :(

[timbox]

Archangel is brutal, Domino is sexy.

And actually, a fourth new member popped up after that statement.

What!? Out of control, Yost! Be honest, was Surge the 3rd or the 4th?

[lockerogue]

Aww dammit I was hoping Karma would be the unexpected. :frown:

[timbox]

Aww dammit I was hoping Karma would be the unexpected. :frown:

This obsession of yours is not healthy. Karma is too fat to be effective on X-Force.

[Valeria Kementari]

If you don't LIKE and ENJOY the book, that's totally cool and I accept that. But come on.

A) If that's a bit too much to believe, I don't know what to tell you. That's what happened. Is it more or less hard to believe than an irradiated spider biting some kid and giving him spider-powers?

B) They didn't survive. They died. Their bodies were revived. As far as Warlock wiping out all the Phalanx, well, Warlock's not perfect. And they were dead.

C) I recover deleted files from my hard drive frequently. The FBI does it from hard drives that were smashed and burned. 'Template' overwrote Bastion, was destroyed, and the Bastion programming survived. That's the least hard thing to believe here.

Again, this book is not for everyone. I suspect you may be someone who will never like it, and that's cool. We'll be okay. ten years from now, another writer will come in and 'fix' everything you didn't like, and we're cool with that too. It's the nature of the beast.

But what you call 'continuity errors,' we call 'story opportunities.'

And we explain everything we can in the books without bogging things down or outright scaring people away. It's a fine line to walk. We love continuity, but we don't want the EXPLANATION to hurt the story. It all works, we truly believe that, but we don't want to beat people over the head with it. A mention here, a mention there... anything more, then we become an illustrated Wikipedia page.

Well that's fair I guess, I don't really like the book, I'm not into gore and blood and X-Men killing people, no matter how evil the people are. That's probably why I am biased against the book and I see everything as faulty... Also the name kidna bugs me, I see X-Force and my mind takes me to the X-Force I liked, when Syrin was the leader and Dani Moonstar was there, the good ol days I guess...

Once upon a time they used to explain every little bit of everything in the comic books, I guess I just miss those days when you would get an explanation on what the hero was doing instead of just a flashy panel (for example, how can you guess what Storm was really doing in Uncanny 165 if not for the caption boxes? You'd just think she was glowing a little bit instead of channeling the power of an entire galactic core). Sometimes those caption boxes are useful, if they are correctly used.

[Hi-Fi]

Archangel is brutal, Domino is sexy.

And actually, a fourth new member popped up after that statement.
Is it a she??

[Hakael]

Archangel is brutal, Domino is sexy.

And actually, a fourth new member popped up after that statement.

any clues?

[blehbeh]

Yikes. I've never had the urge to say "A wizard did it" more than in this situation. I'm a stickler for continuity myself, but Yost clearly knows what he's doing and all the reasons/responses for the "continuity errors" make enough sense.

The only continuity issues that make me grumble a bit are when its completely disregarded, and writers/editors obviously didn't do their homework (Cyclops not knowing what Celestials were in the recent Uncanny issue), or glaring time-frame problems (Whedon's last Astonishing arc that fits NOWHERE in continuity).

This is different. Yost does his homework. Villains come back all the time...it's a comic book. Also, modern comics are simply written differently than back in the day. In olden days Bastion would have gone into a long rant explaining how he came back after that blasted do-gooder Warlock defeated him. We probably would have a full page of flashback panels showing how he did it. Things just aren't the same, whether you think its good or bad. In the days of decompressed tpb friendly story arcs, you might just have to imagine some of your own continuity...or just have a friendly writer stop by a message board and clear things up for you. :smile:

[lockerogue]

This obsession of yours is not healthy. Karma is too fat to be effective on X-Force.

No she is not. She could run laps around the X-Men. Her possession powers would come in handy.

I hope Surge's butt floss gets caught on nail during a mission. Or on X-23's claws.

[Valeria Kementari]

In the days of decompressed tpb friendly story arcs, you might just have to imagine some of your own continuity...or just have a friendly writer stop by a message board and clear things up for you.

Indeed. I hate this trend, it takes 6 issues to tell what could have been told in 2, you read a comic in five minutes, when in the past it took you at least 20... sigh, the good old days are the best.

The only way I might like this book is if Shatterstar joins and his sexuality and origin are finally explained.

[claimtosubclaim]

If in the past they could explain in detail what happened in the previous issues of a story, explain in detail the powers of the heroes/villains involved and what exactly was that they were doing then it's not necesary to let the people guess what happened. When I see a character that had been irrevocably destroyed like Graydon Creed and he just appears once more without an explanation that is a continuity error to me, there should have been a more thorough explanation of what happened. I don't understand why some writers have this sort of aversion to caption boxes, when they can be so useful... goddess I miss Claremont :(

The page count per issue was also much higher back then. 9 more pages from what I remember. It's understandable that plot compression is a result of having less pages to work with. Also, I reckon many writers have an aversion to the caption boxes because fans do. I personally dislike them in ensemble books like X-Men.

[Valeria Kementari]

This obsession of yours is not healthy. Karma is too fat to be effective on X-Force.

Fat Karma was cool, the X-Men need a morbidly obese mutant that is not Blob:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Karma_Fat.jpg/200px-Karma_Fat.jpg

[timbox]

Disgusting.

[lockerogue]

Disgusting.

Surge's dirty butt floss is disgusting.

[HeckBoy]

No she is not. She could run laps around the X-Men. Her possession powers would come in handy.

I hope Surge's butt floss gets caught on nail during a mission. Or on X-23's claws.Innocent question, but when has Surge ever had a butt floss costume? I was skimming thru the comments and when I saw that, I automatically thought of Psylocke. :redface: :tongue:

[timbox]

Surge's dirty butt floss is disgusting.

Hey I like Karma, I just want her to make healthy choices. Meany.

[The Thunderbird]

I was wondering, since X-Force is a team that gets into brutal life or death combat, would a member of X-Force ever die at some point?

[lockerogue]

Innocent question, but when has Surge ever had a butt floss costume? I was skimming thru the comments and when I saw that, I automatically thought of Psylocke. :redface: :tongue:

She doesn't wear butt floss costumes. But her thongs are always hanging of her clothes.

[Valeria Kementari]

I was wondering, since X-Force is a team that gets into brutal life or death combat, would a member of X-Force ever die at some point?

I'm hoping Wolverine does... and X-23 :D

[lockerogue]

Hey I like Karma, I just want her to make healthy choices. Meany.

I'm sorry I talked about Surge and her thongs. Can we be friends again?

[HeckBoy]

She doesn't wear butt floss costumes. But her thongs are always hanging of her clothes.Ah, I see. She's not exactly a favorite of mine (esp. w/ her time as leader), so I don't really pay attention to her.

[jarrod]

Is it a she??
Rachel is a she.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Hmm, all this emphasize on whether or not there was enough to bring back Creed, Hodge et all, yet no one seems to mentoin that they've done virtually nothing.

[Trississ]

I'm hoping Wolverine does... and X-23 :D

Ah, come on!! Now you're just trying to pick a fight. :wink:

[Jota]

It looks fantastic! I can wait to read it! I'm hoping for a great, bloody ending to this story.

[Grunty]

Archangel is brutal, Domino is sexy.

And actually, a fourth new member popped up after that statement.

Neither of them is Marrow right?
Sorry, bad habit of mine to ask such things.

On a more serious question, how many members will the team have in the end?
Since your comment there sounds to me, as if there will now be four instead of three additions to the team (Domino and Archangel included), which would stock the team up to eight members.
However some complain that seven would be already to many for a spec ops team.

Thinking about it eight ain't that bad, since they could be split up in two groups with four men each, which actualy would allow X-force to do more tactical strikes or even to attack on two places at the same time with a relativ stable fighting strength.

[podmark]

Reading the upcoming solicits I kinda wonder if the unexpected member isn't Vanisher.

[ExodusCloak]

I don't understand why some writers have this sort of aversion to caption boxes, when they can be so useful... goddess I miss Claremont :(

Yuck, I can't believe you just said that. Claremontesque Caption boxes are the devil.

@Mr. Yost, don't change anything your formula is perfect.

Are these files available in printed form? The Purifier's website seems to be down for the moment. Maybe X-Force shut it down already :biggrin:

X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001.

[nikbackm]

Yuck, I can't believe you just said that. Claremontesque Caption boxes are the devil.

@Mr. Yost, don't change anything your formula is perfect.


At least you can skip those. More irritating (at least when you re-read them now) is characters describing what their powers are and how they work and not work as well as giving rehashes of the previous issue.

But that's a trait common among many old comics.

X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001.

Thanks.

[Valeria Kementari]

Ah, come on!! Now you're just trying to pick a fight. :wink:

Not really, I do dislike both of them, Logan only works for me on a team setting, but solely on the All New All different crew. Take him away from Kurt, Piotr and Ororo and he becomes uninteresting to me. A mini-she-Wolverine is far more uninteresting. I guess I just don't like serial killers :p

Yuck, I can't believe you just said that. Claremontesque Caption boxes are the devil.

Sometimes they are practical and yes, sometimes they are redundant, the trick is knowing how to use them to complement what you're seeing. For example, you see Storm create a thunderstorm, but it's the caption that says she does it instantly and that it doesn't take her time to do it, which some people have wrongly assumed in the past. Sometimes a good caption box can give more information than just what you see

[rwsmith]

Archangel is brutal, Domino is sexy.

And actually, a fourth new member popped up after that statement.

:eek:

Dammit! Now you're going to make my head explode from speculation. Can you tell us whether or not we'll be seeing any former members of X-Force besides Domino? Perhaps some of the folks who appear on the posters on the cover of issue #9?

I'm calling it now, Cable is coming back and he's the unexpected one. This fits with hints that Duane Swiercynski dropped about seeing more of X-Force over in Cable. He also made some cryptic comment about X-Force originally being Cable's team. :smile:

[wonderland]

Archangel is brutal, Domino is sexy.

And actually, a fourth new member popped up after that statement.

If a remember right, this is from one of the x-positions..the only others i remember being mentioned were Surge, who was kind of dismissed and Psylocke, who they wouldnt comment on.

Psylocke is one of the few x-men who doesn't seem to be overly opposed to killing..

[icebluevanilla]

I would really like it if the last two members would be Marrow and Psylocke. I think Marrow needs to be used again as an actual anti-hero type heroine, and psylocke would be a lot of fun in this book with Wolverine and Archangel. :D

[rwsmith]

Here are a couple more X-Force versions of Cable that I did, both with the old school Liefied era cybernetic arm:

Masked version

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/CableX-Force3mask.png

Nightvision goggles version

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/CableX-Force2nightvision.png

Just throwing that out there in case Mr. Yost drops by again, in the hope that he sees these and says, "Yeah, this book needs some Cable." :wink:

[Imraith Nimphais]

lol...yer as bad as that "short pack" fella...almost...(at least I know WHO Cable is...short pack...eh?)...ps. sorry SP...lol.

[LawGiver]

No, please, no freaking Cable, let him stay in his own book for now, it'd be retarded to use him in two books, he's not Wolverine.

[fitditz]

last member to join = wolfcub? :eek:

[LawGiver]

last member to join = wolfcub? :eek:

Which half?

[Novaya Havoc]

I, for one, am excited to see Domino in X-Force. Moar womens!

[The Cool Thatguy]

lol...yer as bad as that "short pack" fella...almost...(at least I know WHO Cable is...short pack...eh?)...ps. sorry SP...lol.

Shortpack actually makes perfect sense in X-Force. He'd be perfect for interogation, he's easy to insert into a delicate situation and can cooridinate the team when in the field.

Course, that'd require missions that weren't all about stabby. So never mind.

[jarrod]

I'd love to see X-Force evolve more into espionage and undercover work though, rather than just wetworks. Pulse and Shortpack both deserve a spot.

[fitditz]

Which half?
only need the top half to hitch above the fireplace

[xmanfan527]

Id like to see mercury join the team and Kimura

[rwsmith]

No, please, no freaking Cable, let him stay in his own book for now, it'd be retarded to use him in two books, he's not Wolverine.

Why would it be retarded to use him in two books? Back when he led X-Force originally he was in two books.

Regardless, as long as I've got either Wolverine or Cable as the leader of this team I'm loving it. I just want to see Marvel push Cable as a major character again. After all, who says the X-books only get to have one "Wolverine"?

[LawGiver]

Why would it be retarded to use him in two books? Back when he led X-Force originally he was in two books.

Regardless, as long as I've got either Wolverine or Cable as the leader of this team I'm loving it. I just want to see Marvel push Cable as a major character again. After all, who says the X-books only get to have one "Wolverine"?

What would be the point of his solo book? The one currently set in the future? Why mess with the leadership dynamic of X-Force right now?

[jarrod]

The only way I'd want Cable coming would be to replace Logan, not in addition to him. And honestly, I'm liking Logan more in X-Force than any of his other books at the moment... I'd seriously rather see Cable replace him in Astonishing.

[darknessatnoon]

I'd rather they pimp someone with a different personality for the first time in 20 years.

[$5 Milkshake]

I'd rather they pimp someone with a different personality for the first time in 20 years.

The X-Men fall into, like, 3 personality columns. That's a tough request.

[Slung]

The X-Men fall into, like, 3 personality columns. That's a tough request.

It used to be three. Now with Jean dead, Storm robot-wife-ified, Colossus being a statue, Nightcrawler being personality-less and Cyclops being "bad ass" its become two personalities.

[$5 Milkshake]

It used to be three. Now with Jean dead, Storm robot-wife-ified, Colossus being a statue, Nightcrawler being personality-less and Cyclops being "bad ass" its become two personalities.

I loved Nightcrawler in 501 though! The beer can intercept was a great personality moment. :cool:

[rwsmith]

Here's some more X-Force designs:

Original Squad

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/loganx-force.png http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceX-23.png http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceWarpath.png http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceWolfsbane.png

[rwsmith]

New Additions

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceArchangel.png http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/divers/domino-newxmen2.gif

Other Prospects

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForcePsylocke.png http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceForge.png

[Slung]

I loved Nightcrawler in 501 though! The beer can intercept was a great personality moment. :cool:

One power stunt does not a personality make.

[Pach!]

Characters I would like:

Pulse
Psylocke
Hepzibah
Omega Sentinel (She displayed X-force material when she wanted to off Creed!)


Characters I do NOT want in X-force

Cable
Rachel Grey
Jean Grey
Shatterstar

[The Thunderbird]

The X-Men fall into, like, 3 personality columns. That's a tough request.
What are they?

[podmark]

I'm mostly content to see Yost and Kyle so their thing, but I think Omega Sentinel would be great addition.

[$5 Milkshake]

One power stunt does not a personality make.

No, but it was fun. That's how I like my Nightcrawler. Fun.

Baby steps, Slung, baby steps!

What are they?

lol off the top of my head:

1. Wide eyed, spunky newbie.
2. Leveled headed professional, sometimes funny.
3. Dark and edgy.

[Grunty]

Other Prospects

Oh are we now transforming this thread into a "post your design for possible X-force members" thread?
If yes, why don't you simply use the heromaschine 2.5?

[rwsmith]

Because the heromachine is limited in terms of designs, whereas I can do pretty much anything with those little micro suckers in MS Paint. Anyone in particular that you'd like to see on X-Force who I haven't already done?

[jester1436]

Characters I do want in X-force

Cable
Rachel Grey
Jean Grey
Shatterstar

http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/12/O_RLY.jpg

[ExtraEpidermis]

Because the heromachine is limited in terms of designs, whereas I can do pretty much anything with those little micro suckers in MS Paint. Anyone in particular that you'd like to see on X-Force who I haven't already done?

Oh! Can I see Stacy X done X-Force style?

[Grunty]

Original removed because of a change of mind by the poster.

By the way i have the feeling we scared mister Yost off again...

[Imraith Nimphais]

Is Elixir a member of X-Force? Or is he not?...I rather liked his appearance in the early part of the arc...though if he was made a member, I can't see how CnC would make him function as anyone but the team needle and thread guy(not that hey even have need of such)...and if he's not, how did Scott explain wot was happening at the time...and why?...my guess would be Archangel bribed him with hundreds of thousands of dollars in "hush" money...hehehe.

[Chris Yost]

See issue 7 for Elixir answers.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Thanx much, Mr Yost...:-))

[sephirothskiller]

See issue 7 for Elixir answers.

One thing I like about your books is that you tend not to leave anything hanging. Not only plot threads but the relevancy of a character never just comes and goes without an explanation. No Richie Cunningham's brother walking upstairs and never coming down again for you!

[chickrockguitar]

*waves* Hey Chris!

You still here?

If so, can I ask, are there any planned X-23 arc's to do with her creators/Kimura etc? Or is she taking a backseat for a while now?

[Grunty]

See issue 7 for Elixir answers.

Another way in ensuring that people will buy it, eh?
Hmm, last time we asked you said that he would be one of the keeper of that secret, but with your recent statement its not sure.

I however don't like the idea of another teenager joining X-force, Laura is bad enough, but someone with a good childhood would be just sad.

Nice to know that we haven't scared you away with our suggestions... yet.

[Charybdis4]

Hey Chris

When is Hepzibah going to be making an appearance?

She's a perfect fit for the team (white fur aside.....) she can kick ass, she doesn't mind killing people (Logan just needs to tell her that their enemies are Shi'ar) she can use guns & when needs be, she can fly a spaceship!

What more do you need!?!

I think I read somewhere that she will have a confrontation with James, but I don't understand why she would be upset with a wetworks force when she is perfectly happy to take people down.

[Chris Yost]

*waves* Hey Chris!

You still here?

If so, can I ask, are there any planned X-23 arc's to do with her creators/Kimura etc? Or is she taking a backseat for a while now?

Much like there was an X-23 'arc' in New X-Men, there will be one here as well I suspect.

[Chris Yost]

I however don't like the idea of another teenager joining X-force, Laura is bad enough, but someone with a good childhood would be just sad.

I never said he was joining. I never said he wasn't joining.

[Chris Yost]

I think I read somewhere that she will have a confrontation with James, but I don't understand why she would be upset with a wetworks force when she is perfectly happy to take people down.

See issue 7. It's more about James than her.

[fitditz]

Hi Chris, can you throw us some hints at which issue we can start expecting the new member to join (after Domino)?

[Jarath]

c) Even if Bastion had a duplicate it had been stated that his program had been deleted, that his core being, the "essence" of what made him Bastion no longer existed, so why would a duplicate body (which by the way didn't look like Bastion at all) have the Bastion files if they were deleted?


I take it you don't back up your important files then?

[Brett P]

Hey Chris

When is Hepzibah going to be making an appearance?

She's a perfect fit for the team (white fur aside.....) she can kick ass, she doesn't mind killing people (Logan just needs to tell her that their enemies are Shi'ar) she can use guns & when needs be, she can fly a spaceship!

What more do you need!?!

I think I read somewhere that she will have a confrontation with James, but I don't understand why she would be upset with a wetworks force when she is perfectly happy to take people down.

Not to mention she was part of this very X-Force team during Messiah Complex! I don't really like her though so I'm not fussed...

Much like there was an X-23 'arc' in New X-Men, there will be one here as well I suspect.

More Rahne would be better!

See issue 7. It's more about James than her.

I'm looking forward to #7 and catching up with how the X-Force situation affects everyone concerned :smile: I want Josh to be gold again though!

[Charybdis4]

See issue 7. It's more about James than her.

Ooooh I can see it now, Hep & James fight, he storms off taking Logan with him & Warren is left with his "Leeeeethal ladies" Hep, Domino, Wolfsbane, Laura.

"I'd buy that for a dollar!"

Joking aside, I love this book. I feel like I'm drowing in a Scott/Emma love-in in all the other X-books, so X-Force is a breath of fresh air (albeit a bloody breath of fresh air :biggrin: )

[Naela]

Well... seeing how Chris is being so awesome in taking his time to answer our questions in this thread... I might as well take advantage.

Chris, has it been answered yet why Warren and Rahne's healing factors have seem to have disappeared?

[rwsmith]

Stacy X and Marrow (re-powered, because what good is she on this team with no powers?) done X-Force style for ExtraEpidermis and Grunty:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceStacyX.png http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceMarrow.png

And here's Gambit and Rogue too, just for fun:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceGambit.png http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/X-ForceRogue.png

Y'know, there's actually a surprising number of characters that could fit on this team. Until Grunty mentioned her, I never even thought of Marrow as an option. She'd be a good one if only she wasn't depowered, and would be a more logical fit than Wolfsbane (due to the fact that Marrow has no aversion to killing).

[sephirothskiller]

Another way in ensuring that people will buy it, eh?
Hmm, last time we asked you said that he would be one of the keeper of that secret, but with your recent statement its not sure.

I however don't like the idea of another teenager joining X-force, Laura is bad enough, but someone with a good childhood would be just sad.


Re: Elixir

I wouldn't exactly call growing up with the Reavers only to find out you're a mutant and then being abandoned by your family and then having one of your teachers impaled/killed by another mind controlled teacher and then having your girlfriend shot in the head.... A good childhood.

[Grunty]

Re: Elixir

I wouldn't exactly call growing up with the Reavers only to find out you're a mutant and then being abandoned by your family and then having one of your teachers impaled/killed by another mind controlled teacher and then having your girlfriend shot in the head.... A good childhood.

I meant it towards the idea of any X-men students joining in the general nit exilir in particular.
Its just that a lot of names have popped up, for the idea on who should join X-force and many names of studens (Mercury, Anole, etc.) showed up.

Mostly just because K&Y had written them before New X-men got cancelled.

Personaly i think after they had been shellshocked from being written by those two for some time, they should be left out of further being fraked up with being added to this team. Which includes Elixir, if he didn't had a good childhood than even more should he not join X-force.

Laura is an exception in my eyes, since those two are the writers with the best understanding of the character (they more or less created her), so its naturaly that she would join the team they are writing, not that i like her being in this team either.

[sephirothskiller]

I meant it towards the idea of any X-men students joining in the general nit exilir in particular.
Its just that a lot of names have popped up, for the idea on who should join X-force and many names of studens (Mercury, Anole, etc.) showed up.

Mostly just because K&Y had written them before New X-men got cancelled.

Personaly i think after they had been shellshocked from being written by those two for some time, they should be left out of further being fraked up with being added to this team. Which includes Elixir, if he didn't had a good childhood than even more should he not join X-force.

Laura is an exception in my eyes, since those two are the writers with the best understanding of the character (they more or less created her), so its naturaly that she would join the team they are writing, not that i like her being in this team either.

All good points. I think that its possible that Elixir would add an interesting dynamic to the team. He has a history with Rahne, and would likely act in a mostly healing capacity. His unique outlook would blend well. At the least I think he should be a recurring character, possibly as a healer and maybe as some sort of overwatch tactical command for the team.

[Kalen O.]

All good points. I think that its possible that Elixir would add an interesting dynamic to the team. He has a history with Rahne, and would likely act in a mostly healing capacity. His unique outlook would blend well. At the least I think he should be a recurring character, possibly as a healer and maybe as some sort of overwatch tactical command for the team.

Well plus, in his own way, Elixir is the most lethal out of all of them. He kills with a touch. That dichotomy between his killing and healing sides makes him a fountain of storytelling possibility for this title, especially as unlike many of the current X-Force members, he HAS killed in cold blood, and we've seen him struggle with the aftermath of that. Hell, of course he belongs in this title, he's the one who killed Stryker in the first place. Not to mention the Purifiers have done more to affect him personally than any other XForcer. They killed forty of his classmates, not to mention his girlfriend Wallflower and his teammate Icarus.

[Josef F.]

Characters I do want in X-force

Cable
Rachel Grey
Jean Grey
Shatterstar

LIES.

But anyway, I guess domino is confirmed now?
Along with Hepzibah? (I like my vain hope, stfu)
But to be honest, I don't really mind who joins or who doesn't.
C&C know what's going on, except when they're killing Icarus.
Who will be revealed as ressurected by magus in issue 8.
Along with Destiny.

What?
They're better than Cable

[Pach!]

LIES.

But anyway, I guess domino is confirmed now?
Along with Hepzibah? (I like my vain hope, stfu)
But to be honest, I don't really mind who joins or who doesn't.
C&C know what's going on, except when they're killing Icarus.
Who will be revealed as ressurected by magus in issue 8.
Along with Destiny.

What?
They're better than Cable

Uh obviously that should read...
do NOT want.

[Josef F.]

Uh obviously that should read...
do NOT want.

LOL. Good!
When anybody mentions shatterstar in a positive way, I just assume their opinion is moot.

[xmanfan527]

lol #6 was awsome!!!