Young X-Men #5 - review and spoilers

[The Lucky One]

I didn't see a thread on this one yet, so from memory, here's what happens:

As we all saw in the previews, Pierce beats up Greymalkin for a while, but Magma's arrival makes him teleport away. She restores Dust to her "normal" physical form and the trio take the jet to go stop the other Young X-Men from attacking Cannonball and Sunspot. They're too late, of course, but after an extended fight scene everything gets sorted out- the youngsters realize they've been duped and Ink leads the whole group to Pierce's hideout, a series of underground caves left over from one of Mole Man's attacks.

The New Mutants go to find Pierce and kick his ass, telling the kids to wait in the car... er, sorry, jet. All of the kids (minus Greymalkin, who secretly tags along after the Muties), and Wolfcub in particular, are mad at themselves for being fooled, and Wolfcub comments that they should have known it wasn't Cyclops when he told them they had to kill the New Mutants. (Generally correct, though a bit ironic in light of the real Cyclops' words and actions lately in X-Force and Astonishing X-Men.) They all sadly (but rightly) conclude that they really aren't X-Men.

Meanwhile, the New Mutants find and rescue Dani and Blindfold, but Ruth says her vision is about to come true. And indeed, Pierce attacks the Young X-Men; when they point out he's outnumbered, he replies that they're only children. The New Mutants get back to the jet just in time to see Pierce eviscerate Wolfcub (hey, not like he's one to talk about that being unfair), and as he seemingly dies, the wolfboy tells Rockslide not to kill Pierce, because X-Men don't kill. End issue.

And so the first arc reaches its near conclusion; I mean, they still have to beat Pierce, but that's nearly a foregone conclusion, and then settle on the team's status quo. To no one's particular shock, Wolfcub seems to be the sacrifical lamb. And of particular interest (to me, anyway) is the last page of the issue, which shows hints of future stories to come. Among the featured characters are the Darkchilde, and what appears to be Doug Ramsey, with some kind of scarring over his left eye. And the more this book ventures into New Mutants territory the happier I'll be, so things are looking up!

-D

[Beast]

Poor Wolf Cub. He'll be missed. Should have been anyone else.

Of course, watch Young X-Men #6 reveal that he's not really dead. And Ruth just assumed he died.

Since she woke up from her vision right as the person was shredded by Pierce.

[drwho]

Why did Wolf cub all of a sudden not want to kill people? Also any mention of when this appearance takes place for Pierce. Before, or after X-Force?

[Icegod]

Sounds good. I am not in the least bit surprised that Wolf Cub was the one to go. He was the logical choice as the other characters were all more established or just recently introduced. I didn't think they would introduce a Greymalkin or an Ink just to kill them off. Wolf cub is also a very redunant character.

I am very interested in these previews. I too hope the book continues to move towards a classic New Mutants cast and theme.

[DeniseXfrost]

Yay I hope he's gone for good.

[Daithi]

Wolf Cub has a healing factor doesn't he?

[jarrod]

Hott! Can I get some detailed Dani moments?

[Pach!]

Why did Wolf cub all of a sudden not want to kill people? Also any mention of when this appearance takes place for Pierce. Before, or after X-Force?

Because he realized that the X-men don't kill people since it was Pierce that sent them to kill and not Cyclops.

[Daithi]

Because he realized that the X-men don't kill people since it was Pierce that sent them to kill and not Cyclops.

Poor Wolf Cub. If only he knew the truth behind Cyclops and his kill squads. :frown:

[Beast]

Why did Wolf cub all of a sudden not want to kill people? Also any mention of when this appearance takes place for Pierce. Before, or after X-Force?
It's obviously before. Since Pierce was on the run from someone (The X-Men) in X-Force.

And this is set clearly before Uncanny X-Men #500. So before X-Force as well.

[Pach!]

Poor Wolf Cub. If only he knew the truth behind Cyclops and his kill squads. :frown:

LOL that line has always been BS. Wolverine is like posterboy X-men and he kill like there is no tomorrow.

[worstblogever]

Notice in the last page, how they reveal a whole gang of tattooed villains coming soon?

Ink's artist is making his own crew. That's what all the prison breakouts during this arc were.

Plus, Magik, and some secrets from Doug Ramsey?

Wondering what Jonas Graymalkin is all about.

[Beast]

Wolf Cub has a healing factor doesn't he?
Indeed he does. So he may not be dead, simply recovering from the attack.

[Squidboy]

Wolf Cub has a healing factor doesn't he?

According to Wikipedia, he just has enhanced senses and razor sharp claws

[worstblogever]

According to Wikipedia, he just has enhanced senses and razor sharp claws

Never trust wikipedia. EVER.

[Charybdis4]

They should have named this issue "All dogs go to heaven"

[jarrod]

Notice in the last page, how they reveal a whole gang of tattooed villains coming soon?

Ink's artist is making his own crew. That's what all the prison breakouts during this arc were.
Interesting. So I guess the tattoo artist is the mutant after all (which was speculated around here iirc)?

[DeniseXfrost]

With all the fuss and hype about who would die...I hope Wolfclub's done for good. At this point it would even be more embarrassing to come back.

[Squidboy]

Never trust wikipedia. EVER.

I also checked Comicvine and Marvel.com after realizing I had openly cited Wikipedia, and they both neglect any mention of a healing factor, just enhanced endurance, which I guess could save him, but he won't really be healing up by himself.

[jarrod]

With all the fuss and hype about who would die...I hope Wolfclub's done for good. At this point it would even be more embarrassing to come back.
Agreed. Besides, we've got Anole all ready to come and and be the jumpy team leader. :biggrin:

[Bronze Badger]

On the final page there is a splash of Doug Ramsey, Spiderman, Magik, and a Tatto gang calling themselves the Y-Men (I wish I was kidding). Overall decent issue, but I am looking forward to the next now that this arc is over.

[Beast]

I also checked Comicvine and Marvel.com after realizing I had openly cited Wikipedia, and they both neglect any mention of a healing factor, just enhanced endurance, which I guess could save him, but he won't really be healing up by himself.
All feral types have an enhanced healing ability. We've just never seen how powerful Cub's is before.

[Charybdis4]

With all the fuss and hype about who would die...I hope Wolfclub's done for good. At this point it would even be more embarrassing to come back.

Seconded.

He's been bloody awful in this series & his ridiculous attack on Magma signed his death warrant....

[worstblogever]

I also checked Comicvine and Marvel.com after realizing I had openly cited Wikipedia, and they both neglect any mention of a healing factor, just enhanced endurance, which I guess could save him, but he won't really be healing up by himself.

www.uncannyxment.net sez:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary/showentry.asp?fldAuto=1781

No healing factor there, either. Nicky Gleason looks to be Screwed McDuck.

[Beast]

www.uncannyxment.net sez:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary/showentry.asp?fldAuto=1781

No healing factor there, either. Nicky Gleason looks to be Screwed McDuck.
They don't normally list things that haven't been shown in the comics.

Since Wolf Cub's never been injured before in the comics, his healing abilities are unknown.

[Falconen]

I pretty much thought that Wolfcub to be the one that died (or at least appears to). His power set is very redundant, and we didn't need yet another Wolf/ Dog/ Canine abilities mutant. We already have Rhane Sinclair, who is pretty much was what Wolfcub was. I like that they are now using her again over in X Factor.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but the art was just "off" for me. Technically, it was great, but there was something "missing" and I don't know why. :confused:

Hopefully after this arc is over, we might see a combining of New Young X-Men and the New Mutants on the existing team. The younger characters might benefit from training alongside the older students.

[jarrod]

Not all healing factors are created equal either. Logan's healing is a lot more comprehensive than say Hank's healing factor... even if WC has one, that doesn't mean he's inherently safe.

[worstblogever]

They don't normally list things that haven't been shown in the comics.

Since Wolf Cub's never been injured before in the comics, his healing abilities are unknown.

And then his noticable absence on the cover to YXM #8?

I'm not one to put anyone in the grave too fast, Beast, but this... looks like he's done.

[ToxicTeen]

So ends the first arc of Young X-Men. So here's my thoughts on the issue:

~ "Holy Spit"? You gotta be kidding me! I really want to smack Guggs for using such terrible lingo.

~ "They were trained to obey Cyclops". T___T; If that was the case, the New X-Men wouldn't have gone off to fight the Purifiers during the Messiah Complex.

~ I'm happy that Dust & Rockslide are safe though I feel bad for Wolfcub. It feels like a waste to build him up into a leader(Though I didn't see him as the leader type...) just so he could die.

~ I notice that the opening panels from issue #1 were used again at the end of this issue. That's just lazy on either the artist's part or the editors' part. :mad:

~Since Donald Pierce is still alive in YXM, it's safe to say that this all happened before X-Force since in X-Force Donald Pierce got fuse with Technarch stuff.

~As for the "Upcoming Issues" page. I'm a little interested in it, seeing how Spider-Man and Darkchylde will be making appearances. I'm assuming that Darkchylde's appearance will have something to do with the Infernus crossover. What's up with the "Y-Men"(That sounds so lame) and "Doug"? Is Doug coming back from the dead?

Overall, I found this issue and whole first arc not a good start for the series. I give the arc a "C-" for the writing and a "D+" for the art(I'm sorry but I tend to be picky when it comes art in my comics...)

I just hope things improve with the next arc though I still think they need to get a different writer and a different artist(Preferably Skottie Young or Humberto Ramos)

[Beast]

And then his noticable absence on the cover to YXM #8?

I'm not one to put anyone in the grave too fast, Beast, but this... looks like he's done.
I'm just trying to remain positive. Especially after losing Sammy "Sub-Mariner" Pare.

[Charybdis4]

Not all healing factors are created equal either. Logan's healing is a lot more comprehensive than say Hank's healing factor... even if WC has one, that doesn't mean he's inherently safe.

Well he seemed to be white hot lava resistant - just not cyborg resistant...:wink:

[Beast]

~As for the "Upcoming Issues" page. I'm a little interested in it, seeing how Spider-Man and Darkchylde will be making appearances. I'm assuming that Darkchylde's appearance will have something to do with the Infernus crossover. What's up with the "Y-Men"(That sounds so lame) and "Doug"? Is Doug coming back from the dead?
I have a feeling that Greymalkin is sort of a living reciever for the dead.

Sort of like Donnie Darko. So he's hearing/manifesting Doug.

[jarrod]

Well he seemed to be white hot lava resistant - just not cyborg resistant...:wink:
LOLOLOLZ! :biggrin:

[The Lucky One]

Not all healing factors are created equal either. Logan's healing is a lot more comprehensive than say Hank's healing factor... even if WC has one, that doesn't mean he's inherently safe.

True. If memory serves, Wolfsbane had a healing factor in her earliest appearances, but it's rarely if ever mentioned anymore.

Plus, Lady Deathstrike and the Reavers pushed Wolverine's healing factor to the limit, as has Pierce himself in the past. Enhanced healing rate may not be the same as being able to regrow major vital organs.

-D

[AcesX1X]

What's up with the "Y-Men"(That sounds so lame)

LOL

no lamer than, say.....Morisson's U-Men! ....or worse, Xavier's X-Men! ...

...omigosh, and I completely forgot about Nightcrawler's N-Men!!!! (lamest of the lame)

[worstblogever]

I have a feeling that Greymalkin is sort of a living reciever for the dead.

Sort of like Donnie Darko. So he's hearing/manifesting Doug.

If Magik's on the way, it'll be interesting to see how Greymalkin reacts to her when she shows, what with how he referred to Amara as "witch", so hastily in this issue.

[Beast]

True. If memory serves, Wolfsbane had a healing factor in her earliest appearances, but it's rarely if ever mentioned anymore.
Given recent events in X-Force, it's obvious that she's still got it though.

[Beast]

If Magik's on the way, it'll be interesting to see how Greymalkin reacts to her when she shows, what with how he referred to Amara as "witch", so hastily in this issue.
I sense romance in the air.

[jarrod]

...omigosh, and I completely forgot about Nightcrawler's N-Men!!!! (lamest of the lame)
I'll have timbox cut you!


If Magik's on the way, it'll be interesting to see how Greymalkin reacts to her when she shows, what with how he referred to Amara as "witch", so hastily in this issue.
I'd wondered about that... maybe it has to do with Amara's family ties to Selene?

[worstblogever]

Given recent events in X-Force, it's obvious that she's still got it though.

Wolf Cub's more closely related to Maximus Lobo, though. Was he ever shown to have a healing factor? I can't find anywhere that says he did, either.

[The Lucky One]

I have a feeling that Greymalkin is sort of a living reciever for the dead.

Sort of like Donnie Darko. So he's hearing/manifesting Doug.

I wondered the same thing when he first mentioned Cypher two issues ago. I'm slightly less convinced now that we've seen an actual picture of Doug, but of course there's plenty of other possible explanations (shapeshifter, image inducer, Greymalkin taking on the appearance of the dead, etc.)

You know, I didn't think about it before, but it's ironic that the dude has a mad-on for witches, since he's named after one of the witches' familiars from Macbeth.

-D

[$5 Milkshake]

I adore Wolf Cub, and am really bummed by seeing the predictable come to fruition :frown:

And what a lame, anti-climactic way to go, too. SIGH. Other than that though, I enjoyed the issue. Especially Magma and Sunspot. I hope the "Old guard" stick around.

[worstblogever]

I wondered the same thing when he first mentioned Cypher two issues ago. I'm slightly less convinced now that we've seen an actual picture of Doug, but of course there's plenty of other possible explanations (shapeshifter, image inducer, Greymalkin taking on the appearance of the dead, etc.)

You know, I didn't think about it before, but it's ironic that the dude has a mad-on for witches, since he's named after one of the witches' familiars from Macbeth.

-D

I thought he was named after the street the mansion was on?

[jarrod]

Dani, Amara and Illyana all have ties to magic. Greymalkin's not gonna be a happy camper...

[CmX]

Oh what's with Douglas Ramsey (or what is alluding to being him) on the final page? I'm intrigued.

And Magik, :) Wee

Not a bad end to the first arc everything came together nicely IMO.

I hope one or two of the original New Mutants joins the team as leaders of the kids. I'm hoping for Dani and Amara.

[APOLLO369]

im happy wolf cub is the mutant gone but im sad to see him leave the story.

[CmX]

I'm not. IMO he wasn't the same character I was familiar with. Even his look changed he looked older and bigger.

[AN0LE]

I'm not. IMO he wasn't the same character I was familiar with. Even his look changed he looked older and bigger.

Let's just hope he stays gone and we can get this book on a better track.

[AcesX1X]

In honor of Wolf Cub. Goodbye, puppy. I hope that all dogs do go to heaven.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff205/hoboanonymous/FAIL/fail-2.jpg

[Kid Icarus]

im happy wolf cub is the mutant gone but im sad to see him leave the story.

I thought maybe he wasnt going to die
for a bout a second

[jester1436]

I hope Ruth gets a nice jacket out of Wolf Cub. Was there a lot of blood? That could be a pain to clean.

[Anna]

I have a feeling that Greymalkin is sort of a living reciever for the dead.

Sort of like Donnie Darko. So he's hearing/manifesting Doug.

Except Doug couldn't phase. but......


Kitty could.

[fitditz]

Damn that Dodson cover was misleading. Opened up the book to visual diarrhea. They seriously need to overhaul their artistic team....the weak/predictable storyline is almost passable but the art is a big FAIL!!!

[Pach!]

Once again, I really liked this issue. I was sad for Wolfcub but it was nice to see him in the spotlight for a bit.

I do wish the art was better.

Can't wait till next issue.

[Kid Icarus]

The art was lovely
Wolfcub had a nice final lines
I think everyone should be allowed a nice final line
I loved the Santo loves Sooraya

[The Black Guardian]

Guggs pretty much fully redeemed himself for previous issues, imo. I'm in for the long haul on this series. I pretty much figured it would be Wolf Cub that died. Future looks intriguing.

[SkinFromBone]

Guggs pretty much fully redeemed himself for previous issues, imo. I'm in for the long haul on this series. I pretty much figured it would be Wolf Cub that died. Future looks intriguing.

Yep I agree and hope Magma sticks around. :biggrin:

[Peter F.]

So long Ratface. And to all those who say he isn't died, the solicit for issue 6 seems to imply that he is. Yay!

[Beast]

So long Ratface. And to all those who say he isn't died, the solicit for issue 6 seems to imply that he is. Yay!
Just remember how you cheered when Anole's murdered next. :wink:

[MuhollandDriver]

This issue had parts that were better tha previous issues, but it was far from redeeming the entire arc.

Even in this issue...Dani felt way out of character. How many times can she say "Hell!" Her tone reminded me of a truckin mamma.

Everything about this plot was absolutely predictable. The readers caught on to everything. If i were the writer, i'd be embarrassed.

There were moments when character interactions were attempted...but they fell flat.

Again....it reminded me of a hanna barbara cartoon. Artwork included.

Wolfcub did have some great lines at the end. i was never on the "Kill him!" bandwagon.

i just wanted the comic to get better. Overall..this arc was a failure.

Ink and his posse will be playing big roles....and they do not interest me in the least.

Anole is joining....which is a plus...but in this comic? i am not sure i am going to stick around.

Guggenheim does not have a hold of these characters.

P.S. Why on earth does Illyana have a Barbra Streisand nose?????? Friggin artwork.

[metalgorgomon]

I really like this issue.

Although I hated Wolfcub from the previous issues, It's sad seeing him dying. He's great in this issue. I really dig his final lines. All that he wanted was just to be an X-Men. A good X-Man and that means not killing and following your leader's order. Well..at least that what he thinks of the X-Men. A good superhero/mutant team.

On the other hand.. just when I was thinking that Ink's might be interesting.. we're seeing another deus ex -power from him.. Wings tattoo?? For god sake.. C'mon.. I wish Guggenheim gonna repay Ink's deus ex power-set by writing a good character work for him.

Love the Santo-Dust moment.
I really think the a couple of the New Mutants should lead/direct this team (hopefully Dani and Amara will)

Looking forward for next issue. And the Darkchilde/Doug/Y-Men gets me intrigued. Still don't dig the art though..

I'm giving this issue 8.2/10

[CMBMOOL]

Man, first Feral and Now Wolfcub.

Does Marvel really want Wolverine to be the last Wolfing mutant ? :redface:

[Beast]

Nah. If that was true they'd stop creating them.

[Peter F.]

Just remember how you cheered when Anole's murdered next. :wink:

If Anole is murdered I'm going to wait a few years and then become a writer for Marvel and write his resurrection.

Also I will have a zombie Wolfcub get his head kicked off.

[greenshoes713]

HOLY CANOLI
THIS ISSUE SUCKED!

[MuhollandDriver]

Anole will likely not be killed.

He has a bigger fanbase than Wolfcub.

Not to be spiteful...just spoutin a fact :)

i love Anole....but really liked Wolfcub also. His death made me sad...i haven't grieved a death since Doug Ramsey.

Nonetheless...this arc was a hot tranny trainwreck.

i am particularly dreading Ink and his brethen. It feels trashy. Real trashy.

[Anna]

Man, first Feral and Now Wolfcub.

Does Marvel really want Wolverine to be the last Wolfing mutant ? :redface:

According to Loeb; In The End Thre Shall Be Only Two. One Blond, one dark. Then they face off.

[JeanT1013]

Except Doug couldn't phase. but......


Kitty could.

So.. if we are seeing Doug looking pretty alive in the splash page at the end... does that mean we may see Kitty back as well? Any thoughts?

[MuhollandDriver]

Greymalkin is an interesting and welcome new character.

Ink isn't.

The dialogue and interactions just feel very superficial to me....hopefully things will connect.

Again.....why the Barbra Streisand nose on Illyana? ;)

[Anna]

So.. if we are seeing Doug looking pretty alive in the splash page at the end... does that mean we may see Kitty back as well? Any thoughts?

Looks like UXM 504 is Piotr dealing with her loss.

[Mitsaso]

That was ultra sucky.

What is wrong with Guggs here? I've read his Spiderman issues, I KNOW he can write much better than that! This was just, generic in every aspect of the word!

Meh, maybe the first arc was just trading water till the Manifest Destiny issues and the new inclusions to the cast! Here's hoping the next arc really picks up...!:smile:

[pryde15]

So.. if we are seeing Doug looking pretty alive in the splash page at the end... does that mean we may see Kitty back as well? Any thoughts?

Oh, Kitty will be back. Just not that soon.

[Dagger]

I adore Wolf Cub, and am really bummed by seeing the predictable come to fruition :frown:

And what a lame, anti-climactic way to go, too. SIGH. Other than that though, I enjoyed the issue. Especially Magma and Sunspot. I hope the "Old guard" stick around.
Hold me. Sniff. I'm going to miss him like nobody's bizness!!!

[Dazzler]

Doug Mother truckin' Ramsey, yo.

I am a happy happy fat boy.

--Dazz

[Dagger]

the only plus to this title is seeing so many of the old faces from the original New Mutants. I'm hoping they get rid of the rest of the characters and give the 0nmers this book and put C&C on New X-Men again.

[Dazzler]

the only plus to this title is seeing so many of the old faces from the original New Mutants. I'm hoping they get rid of the rest of the characters and give the 0nmers this book and put C&C on New X-Men again.

Except for the endorsement of C&C, I totally concur with this statement.

I want the old guard back, pronto!

--Dazz

[Dagger]

Except for the endorsement of C&C, I totally concur with this statement.

I want the old guard back, pronto!

--Dazz
Once they got past the murder all the kids stories, and added Anole and Pixie that title was gold imo. Take who they have minus Ink, Rockslide and Graymalkin, add in Loa and Indra and I'd totally buy this book.

But yeah, I totally miss the original New Mutants.

[Patrion]

Except for the endorsement of C&C, I totally concur with this statement.

I want the old guard back, pronto!

--Dazz

Can a mix of the Old and the New not be just as pleasing! For me it would be, and I'm sure there are other who wouldn't mind it! Let me see, would a roster that looked like this appease you?

Dani Moonstar
Cannonball
Ink *Optional, cause I know not everyone like him!
Rockslide
Blindfold *As a nonactive member!
Dust
Anole
Greymalkin *A reserve member
Surge
Prodigy

Okay, I totally turned that into a "Dream Team" scenario, but anyway! My point is that a team with a bit of both would probably be the best overall! Not to mention, it's most likely what we're going to get!

[Dazzler]

Once they got past the murder all the kids stories, and added Anole and Pixie that title was gold imo. Take who they have minus Ink, Rockslide and Graymalkin, add in Loa and Indra and I'd totally buy this book.

But yeah, I totally miss the original New Mutants.

Okay, now that I can back 100%. I love Pixie and Anole. The big giant deaths for a while made me want to throw myself off of something high.

Loa i would like to see asap.

--Dazz

[Dazzler]

Can a mix of the Old and the New not be just as pleasing! For me it would be, and I'm sure there are other who wouldn't mind it! Let me see, would a roster that looked like this appease you?

Dani Moonstar
Cannonball
Ink *Optional, cause I know not everyone like him!
Rockslide
Blindfold *As a nonactive member!
Dust
Anole
Greymalkin *A reserve member
Surge
Prodigy

Okay, I totally turned that into a "Dream Team" scenario, but anyway! My point is that a team with a bit of both would probably be the best overall! Not to mention, it's most likely what we're going to get!

I think absolutely a mix could be pleasing...but i'm just too darn picky about the new characters! The old ones are sort of my lovers. ;)

But I do like most of that team you picked.

--Dazz

[LungerTony]

I only purchased the first issue of this series. As of the first issue I thought it was dumb and ooc for Cyke to get the younger mutants to essentially form an X-Force team. Seemed dumb. Dumbness plus economy persuaded me to drop the book.
But after reading a rough summary of the arch and that the "dumb" Cyke wasn't really Cyke, and that Wolfcub, a character which I always thoguht was lame as hell has been killed...I intend to start with #6 on this series and give it another go.
I love Rockslide. He is one of my favorite X-characters of all time. I miss him too.

[drwho]

Dream Team

Cannon Ball
Magma
Sunspot
Dani-Trainer Reserve
Surge
Hellion
Mercury
Rockslide
Dust
Prodigy- Reserve ops
Anole

[podmark]

I probably liked this issue better than the previous ones but this was still a very poor first arc. The concept of the story failed from the beginning when Guggs tried to make us believe Rockslide and Co. would listen to Cyclops and kill Cannonball and the New Mutants especially without significant evidence. The final issue kinda explained things, but I'll need to reread to see how well.

Not a fan of Yannick but honestly the art is serviceable. Nothing special, some stuff is poorer than others but overall I can live with it if the story was better quality.

Guggs dialogue is considerably poorer than Yost and Kyle and others. It usually feels like he's trying to hard to have engaging dialogue. That really needs to improve.

Greymalkin is a decently interesting character. Ink less so, and we still don't know what his connection to Pierce is. Rockslide doesn't come off as well in this series as he did in NXM, but he still remains my favorite team member. Blindfold came out alright in the end, she wasn't a ninja like we suspected, but I doubt Guggenheim will ever capture the charm of the character. I don't have much to say on Dust, except that her voice didn't quite match that from both runs on NXM.

I was very disappointed with the use of the four New Mutants. Cannonball's dialogue tics were too much and I wish they'd been more in line with Carey's. Dani comes off as over aggressive, nothing like the character from her appearances in NXM, A:TI, or DWS. Overall the NMs were misplayed to help make a flimsy plot work. If they continue in this book Guggs has to do better.

And of course Wolfcub. Taking Young X-Men as a book in of itself I kinda liked his character arc. It didn't play out well but what I made from it is that Wolfcub was this kid with a growing killing side who wanted to be an X-Man, and by the end he was the one who ultimately realized that X-Men don't kill and thus was the kid most deserving of being an X-Man. That's what I took from it, it showed well in the final issue but not as well through the arc. Problem is with the exception of his Exiles appearance it doesn't really fit his character. His personality started off very annoying but I felt he got a little better as it went on. His death really didn't mean much to me, I liked him but he's a pretty minor X-character and his death was telegraphed with the first solicit.

I also hate that Guggs played the "death on the first mission!" card, it's way overused these days and has almost no relevance with this set of characters. Santo, Sooraya and Ruth have already buried a few dozen friends, you don't get anything new from this, you just push them more towards DWS personality traits and we we've been down that road for far too long.

Teasers were a good idea. Not saying they succeeded but after such a poorly received first arc the book needs to draw back some readers. Anole, Magik and Doug should help.

Overall I find this arc to be a major failure. The plot is too contrived to work. I think a better plan for Marvel would have been to end New X-Men then launch a 5/6 issue mini probably by multiple writers (Yost, Kyle, Carey, Guggenheim, Young, Cebulski, maybe Fraction) formatted similarly to DWS. A book that would have worked as a proper epilogue to New X-Men and it's cast, and served as a prequel to Young X-Men and things such as Uncanny and Infernus and whatever else is relevant in the pipeline. Then after 500 launch Young X-Men with a stronger premise and more inline direction (which I think YXM may be getting anyway).

One final note I was unimpressed with Guggenhiem on pure writing. Dialogue/accents were particularly bad. The only other work I've read by him is his Spider-Man work, I liked the Menace arc, but the Kraven one was only passable (I was looking forward to both, I'm a BND fan, though not a OMD fan, but this isn't the place for that discussion), so I'm a bit concerned he might not be able to salvage this book.

Anyway first arc is over and now we can move on. I honestly believe this book can be much better. There's some intrigue with Greymalkin, and if Guggenheim can recapture the magic between Rockslide and Anole, and get a better handle on Blindfold we've got some good interaction coming up. He's still got to make Ink likable or at least a working plot element, and find something to do with Dust a task most writers have difficulty with. Here's hoping.

[Patrion]

Once they got past the murder all the kids stories, and added Anole and Pixie that title was gold imo. Take who they have minus Ink, Rockslide and Graymalkin, add in Loa and Indra and I'd totally buy this book.

But yeah, I totally miss the original New Mutants.

I agree 1,000%! Only, I would at least like to keep Rockslide! Indra needs to be shown in action! I DEMAND more Loa and Elixir love! They make a pretty couple! I want more Eloa...that sounds like a disease! Elixoa? Nah, sound like a Yu-Gi-Oh card! I GOT IT! LoLixir! I DEMAND MORE LOLIXIR!

[Dagger]

Okay, now that I can back 100%. I love Pixie and Anole. The big giant deaths for a while made me want to throw myself off of something high.

Loa i would like to see asap.

--Dazz
They had so many untapped potential with the background kids, and they gave us Ink and Graymalkin? WTFmate. Sure, let's add some new characters when we have Loa, Match, Indra, Nezhno, Prodigy, Bling!, that other rock guy who had the hots for Mystique in disquise, and plenty other characters. We didn't need these new guys. We needed some fleshing out of the other backgrounders. Plus, his killing Wolfcub has seriously peed me off.

[Dazzler]

They had so many untapped potential with the background kids, and they gave us Ink and Graymalkin? WTFmate. Sure, let's add some new characters when we have Loa, Match, Indra, Nezhno, Prodigy, Bling!, that other rock guy who had the hots for Mystique in disquise, and plenty other characters. We didn't need these new guys. We needed some fleshing out of the other backgrounders
Oh my god, yes. Which was why I was so pissed off at the bus explosion. Most of the characters i really wanted to get to know were on that thing. And now with this title, although I really like it, the YOUNG X-men are almost totally comprised of characters I hate. (I do like Dust and Blindfold, though).

I know what you mean, even if our characters we want to see are different.


. Plus, his killing Wolfcub has seriously peed me off.

Welcome to my world around the time Wallflower was mowed down! i miss her so bad! :frown:

--Dazz

[The Black Guardian]

This issue had parts that were better tha previous issues, but it was far from redeeming the entire arc.

Even in this issue...Dani felt way out of character. How many times can she say "Hell!" Her tone reminded me of a truckin mamma.
Don't really agree. I've even heard nuns say "Hell."
Everything about this plot was absolutely predictable. The readers caught on to everything. If i were the writer, i'd be embarrassed.
Except for the dozens of people screaming about Scott sending kids as a death squad, right? Meh. Predictable isn't always bad.
There were moments when character interactions were attempted...but they fell flat.

Again....it reminded me of a hanna barbara cartoon. Artwork included.
Nah.
Wolfcub did have some great lines at the end. i was never on the "Kill him!" bandwagon.
I was. Good riddance.
i just wanted the comic to get better. Overall..this arc was a failure.
It succeeded as far as I'm concerned. It ended 100% the only way I wanted it to. The only way I would have tolerated it to.
Ink and his posse will be playing big roles....and they do not interest me in the least.
This issue actually made Ink more interesting to me, because we learn that he's not the one doing what he's doing.
Guggenheim does not have a hold of these characters.
Nah. He's got a handle on them. Not perfect, but then no one can be C&C ('cept them). Good enough though.

[Dagger]

Oh my god, yes. Which was why I was so pissed off at the bus explosion. Most of the characters i really wanted to get to know were on that thing. And now with this title, although I really like it, the YOUNG X-men are almost totally comprised of characters I hate. (I do like Dust and Blindfold, though).

I know what you mean, even if our characters we want to see are different.
Yeah. I agree. When C/C first came on NXM, I hated the title because of all the deaths. After the first couple of arcs, and they started to take some of our suggestions, and give some badly needed focus on the background characters, I started to enjoy the book and it quickly became my favorite. I now love X-23 and have even picked up her two mini series because I enjoyed their work so much. Guggs has until the end of the next arc to wow me, or even hmmm me, otherwise this book is no longer on my pull list.

.

Welcome to my world around the time Wallflower was mowed down! i miss her so bad! :frown:

--Dazz
Yeah, I kinda miss Laurie too. I miss Sofia like crazy too, but I refuse to pick up that waste of money New Warriors.

[Kid Icarus]

Wind dancer needs her comeback

[WishIKnewStuff]

They had so many untapped potential with the background kids, and they gave us Ink and Graymalkin? WTFmate. Sure, let's add some new characters when we have Loa, Match, Indra, Nezhno, Prodigy, Bling!, that other rock guy who had the hots for Mystique in disquise, and plenty other characters. We didn't need these new guys. We needed some fleshing out of the other backgrounders. Plus, his killing Wolfcub has seriously peed me off.

My feelings exactly. I'm not going to lie and say people fall in love with new characters as soon as they are put out there all the time, but five issues in and I don't like Ink anymore than I did to begin with. I thought Greymalkin was gonna be something good but he's shaping up to be a poor mans Blindfold. Do we really need 2 teammates with riddle speak?

I didn't care for Wolfcub in this series. From the start he seemed OC. In NXM he was the little brother character who would get rough to protect. All his spotlight time in the last few issues just to have him die such a sad crappy death seems a little sadistic to me for his fans.

[Peter F.]

My feelings exactly. I'm not going to lie and say people fall in love with new characters as soon as they are put out there all the time, but five issues in and I don't like Ink anymore than I did to begin with. I thought Greymalkin was gonna be something good but he's shaping up to be a poor mans Blindfold. Do we really need 2 teammates with riddle speak?

I didn't care for Wolfcub in this series. From the start he seemed OC. In NXM he was the little brother character who would get rough to protect. All his spotlight time in the last few issues just to have him die such a sad crappy death seems a little sadistic to me for his fans.

Hi WishIKnewStuff welcome to the CBR boards. I love your Layla inspired username, I think we all wish we knew stuff like she does.

[Dagger]

My feelings exactly. I'm not going to lie and say people fall in love with new characters as soon as they are put out there all the time, but five issues in and I don't like Ink anymore than I did to begin with. I thought Greymalkin was gonna be something good but he's shaping up to be a poor mans Blindfold. Do we really need 2 teammates with riddle speak?

I didn't care for Wolfcub in this series. From the start he seemed OC. In NXM he was the little brother character who would get rough to protect. All his spotlight time in the last few issues just to have him die such a sad crappy death seems a little sadistic to me for his fans.
Hi, and welcome to the boards! I heart your avatar as I looooove butterflies!

[AN0LE]

Dream Team

Cannon Ball
Magma
Sunspot
Dani-Trainer Reserve
Surge
Hellion
Mercury
Rockslide
Dust
Prodigy- Reserve ops
Anole

I would love to see the following:

Trainers/Mentors: Magma, Danielle Moonstar, Sunspot, Karma and Northstar
Field Team: Anole, Dust, Rockslide, Trance, Loa and Graymalkin
Base Ops: The Stepford Cuckoos, Blindfold, No-Girl (w/ Ernst), Prodigy and Elixir

[AN0LE]

Again.....why the Barbra Streisand nose on Illyana? ;)

I can't wait for her to pop up out of Limbo and say "Hello, Gorgeous!"

[The Lucky One]

Can a mix of the Old and the New not be just as pleasing! For me it would be, and I'm sure there are other who wouldn't mind it! Let me see, would a roster that looked like this appease you?

Dani Moonstar
Cannonball
Ink *Optional, cause I know not everyone like him!
Rockslide
Blindfold *As a nonactive member!
Dust
Anole
Greymalkin *A reserve member
Surge
Prodigy

Okay, I totally turned that into a "Dream Team" scenario, but anyway! My point is that a team with a bit of both would probably be the best overall! Not to mention, it's most likely what we're going to get!

I'd be fine with a mix of both, but (no offense) the above roster is basically the New X-Men with two token New Mutants tossed in as trainers. To really please New Mutants fans, the final roster has got to have them as at least half the team, if not more.

Now keeping Sam, Bobby, Dani, Amara, and potentially adding Doug and/or 'Yana -- and I guess making the rest of the team Blindfold, Rockslide, Greymalkin, Dust, Anole -- that might be a squad that could keep fans of both teams happy. :wink:

-D

[timbox]

New Mutants plus Surge, Blindfold, and Dust. Yay.

[AN0LE]

New Mutants plus Surge, Blindfold, and Dust. Yay.

I heart Blindfold... I could listen to her cryptic talk all day just for its entertainment value alone.

[jarrod]

Dani, Magma, Dust, Anole, Rockslide, Greymalkin/Doug, Blindfold and Surge. Sunspot for support and finance, but not part of the active team. Ink for the time being, soon to be replaced by Lockheed.


How 'bout it Guggs?

[Your Imaginary Pal]

SO I'm just really wondering if Young X-Men will be a combination of the New Mutants and the New X-Men. You know how marvel likes to bait and switch. It may have been apparent and discussed to high heaven months ago, but this seems more likely from this issue. Bringing back illyana and doug...
i mean it would be pretty cool if it is. But leaving out Gen X is unforgivable.


edit:

Uggghhh I should have just finished reading the thread, I now see the posts above me wanting/asking the same thing.
great minds ....

[AN0LE]

SO I'm just really wondering if Young X-Men will be a combination of the New Mutants and the New X-Men. You know how marvel likes to bait and switch. It may have been apparent and discussed to high heaven months ago, but this seems more likely from this issue. Bringing back illyana and doug...
i mean it would be pretty cool if it is. But leaving out Gen X is unforgivable.


edit:

Uggghhh I should have just finished reading the thread, I now see the posts above me wanting/asking the same thing.
great minds ....

Your Lando avatar is cracking my sh*t up! :biggrin:

[ToxicTeen]

Here's my idea for Young X-Men team:

Hellion as Team Leader(Unless Chris & Craig plan on putting him in X-Force :wink:)
Rockslide
Dust
Mercury
Match
Loa
Trance
Indra

And the New Mutants could act as mentors and trainers for the Young X-Men.

[Anna]

Dani, Magma, Dust, Anole, Rockslide, Greymalkin/Doug, Blindfold and Surge. Sunspot for support and finance, but not part of the active team. Ink for the time being, soon to be replaced by Lockheed.


How 'bout it Guggs?


Lockheed might as well hang with these guys, because I don't think the X-Men Proper want him in Frisco. Except maybe Piotr.

[jarrod]

Lockheed might as well hang with these guys, because I don't think the X-Men Proper want him in Frisco. Except maybe Piotr.
Kurt would welcome him too. They go way back.

In a perfect world though, Lockheed would join MI:13.

[metalgorgomon]

Here's another review of issue #5:

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/12191673761421.htm

[AN0LE]

Seriously... you have to wonder if Marvel and the YXM creative team are taking any of its readers' comments seriously or if they are just going to continue to butcher this title to the point where the characters are completely unsalvageable. It's a bit refreshing to see that IGN agrees with the majority in regards to this book. The art is just atrocious. Maybe it's just me, but all the male characters seem to have the same face (aside from Graymalkin and Rockslide of course). Even Doug Ramsey on the final page had me thinking he was Ink until I saw his name in the bubble next to him. Every panel where Wolfcub was supposed to be pouncing or attacking, I got the impression that he was just suspended in the air from the ceiling... not moving... just floating. IGN hit the nail on the head when they said that the artwork lacked a feeling of movement.

I will be the first to admit that I hated the fact that NXM got the axe. But, I gave YXM a chance... I stuck around for the first arc. I tried to overlook the stomach-churning art and horrid writing. I wanted to like this book. I gave it a shot and it fell extremely flat for me. BLECH!

[AN0LE]

Here's another review of issue #5:

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/12191673761421.htm

No offense to Whitney and Bobby... but are these people on CRACK? I guess one man's trash really IS another man's treasure.

[Peter F.]

No offense to Whitney and Bobby... but are these people on CRACK? I guess one man's trash really IS another man's treasure.

Somebody at Marvel must be bribing them :biggrin:

I kid I kid. Some people actually seem to like this book. Of course some people actually like Hudlin's Black Panther or New Exiles and New Excalibur. Different strokes for different folks.

[AN0LE]

I guess it could be worse... YXM could be stuck with the X-Factor artist

[Patrion]

I'd be fine with a mix of both, but (no offense) the above roster is basically the New X-Men with two token New Mutants tossed in as trainers. To really please New Mutants fans, the final roster has got to have them as at least half the team, if not more.

Now keeping Sam, Bobby, Dani, Amara, and potentially adding Doug and/or 'Yana -- and I guess making the rest of the team Blindfold, Rockslide, Greymalkin, Dust, Anole -- that might be a squad that could keep fans of both teams happy. :wink:

-D

Well shizznit! I guyess I'll just have to comeup with another to please you better! :wink:

Dani Moonstar
Doug *With an offensive secondary mutation!
Magma
Cannonball
Rockslide
Greymalkin *Reserve member
Dust
Surge
Anole
*Sunspot as Financal Backing
*Blindfold as Nonactive

Better? I like it!

[metalgorgomon]

While i hated issue #1-#4, I really like issue #5.

Probably due to the wrapping up of the set-up of the group. And the possibility of some New Mutants characters joining the group..

CMMIW, If memory served. I think the book was initially named as New Mutants but they (Marvel) eventually changed it to Young X-Men.

I still find Ink to be quite annoying though.. And the art....the book certainly could use better art IMO.

[AN0LE]

While i hated issue #1-#4, I really like issue #5.

Probably due to the wrapping up of the set-up of the group. And the possibility of some New Mutants characters joining the group..

CMMIW, If memory served. I think the book was initially named as New Mutants but they (Marvel) eventually changed it to Young X-Men.

I still find Ink to be quite annoying though.. And the art....the book certainly could use better art IMO.

Where I overall didn't enjoy the first arc... the only saving grace (IMO... since I don't want to be dismissive) was the appearance of the original New Mutants. I really hope they stick around. Magma has always been a personal favorite of mine. I like the fact that she could snap at any moment... as we saw in 198 where she leveled Guatemala.

[Swashbuckler]

I don't hate this book, and I think Ink could become interesting. I'm not a huge fan of the art, but it's not the worst I've seen. I think this first arc was VERY predictable and I'm hoping now the story can make more sense.

[timbox]

I skim comics I know I won't like, looking for things to complain about. Then I send my compliants to escapegoat via private message.

I then openly mock the fools who actually buy the issues.

[Patrion]

I skim comics I know I won't like, looking for things to complain about. Then I send my compliants to escapegoat via private message.

I then openly mock the fools who actually buy the issues.

Timbox, I know that we are BFF over Armor and all, but I can't stand by and let you get sucked into the snarkiness of this cruel world! Stop the mocking!

[LawGiver]

It's not a mess, it has character.

[escapegoat]

Complaining aside, I liked the book. Sure, it was really predictable, but it wrapped up really well, and the whole thing will probably read well as a trade when it comes out.

I thought the Wolfcub death scene was really well done and laid out. His realization of what they were doing was wrong when lead by Pierce and his last words to Santo had a good effect.

And to all the complaining about Wolfcub having/not having a healing factor - If look at his hand in this issue, it's still showing that it's burnt from his attack on Magma. So by all means, he does not have a high level healing factor. Technically he should have a low level one (based on the feral and mutant factors, both of which grant a common low-level healing factor), but that's obviously not gonna be enough to save him from death.

Who knows...maybe Graymalkin's weird voodoo mutant death connection will bring him in touch with Wolfcub down the road...

[AN0LE]

This book makes me dislike her.:frown:

I like Sooraya... unfotunately most of her panel time in this arc was spent stationary on a gourney while Moira and Callisto tried to figure out what could be done with her. I didn't have the opportunity to complain about her character since she didn't do much.. so I have to resort to complaining about everything else haha :rolleyes:

[AN0LE]

on to other topics... are we more inclined to believe that Graymalkin is chit-chatting with the dead or just bat-sh*t crazy?

[escapegoat]

I like Sooraya... unfotunately most of her panel time in this arc was spent stationary on a gourney while Moira and Callisto tried to figure out what could be done with her. I didn't have the opportunity to complain about her character since she didn't do much.. so I have to resort to complaining about everything else haha :rolleyes:

Stupid team books...always knocking some character out of the action so that all of the other dumb characters steal the spotlight...


...oh nos! I'm starting to complains! :eek:

[escapegoat]

on to other topics... are we more inclined to believe that Graymalkin is chit-chatting with the dead or just bat-sh*t crazy?

A little from column A.....a little from column B.... :biggrin:

[AN0LE]

Stupid team books...always knocking some character out of the action so that all of the other dumb characters steal the spotlight...


...oh nos! I'm starting to complains! :eek:

*GASP!* How dare you!

No I agree... It's a shame. I think out of all the kids, I enjoy seeing Sooraya on the battlefield the most. She's got an interesting power but I do like the fact that she is not completely invulnerable when in her sand-form.

[Peter F.]

Stupid team books...always knocking some character out of the action so that all of the other dumb characters steal the spotlight...


...oh nos! I'm starting to complains! :eek:

Yes because Rockslide and Ink really shined and developed while Sooraya was out of commission. Wait no by some mistake of nature that was Wolfcub. :confused: Yep all the spotlight gets to go to the dead rat. Well done Guggenheim.:tongue:

You're complaining about our complaining. And that's just not productive.

[AN0LE]

Yes because Rockslide and Ink really shined and developed while Sooraya was out of commission. Wait no by some mistake of nature that was Wolfcub. :confused: Yep all the spotlight gets to go to the dead rat. Well done Guggenheim.:tongue:

You're complaining about our complaining. And that's just not productive.

I wonder if he was trying to build up Wolfcub's fanbase.... maybe trying to get more people to like him before he bit it so that his death would have an impact on the readers. Or maybe he always just saw Wolfcub as the most expendible one out of the lot. Things to ponder....

[escapegoat]

I wonder if he was trying to build up Wolfcub's fanbase.... maybe trying to get more people to like him before he bit it so that his death would have an impact on the readers. Or maybe he always just saw Wolfcub as the most expendible one out of the lot. Things to ponder....

A little from column A.....a little fro....oh nevermind!

Looks like he was doing both to me. Feral characters are a dime a dozen. He redeemed a lot of Wolfcub's actions in this issue, and provided a sound explanation as to why Wolfcub's "killing" strikes wound up being not so killin'.

[greenshoes713]

A little from column A.....a little fro....oh nevermind!

Looks like he was doing both to me. Feral characters are a dime a dozen. He redeemed a lot of Wolfcub's actions in this issue, and provided a sound explanation as to why Wolfcub's "killing" strikes wound up being not so killin'.

I <3 Lupines:frown:

[AN0LE]

I <3 Lupines:frown:

I like them as well but i agree with escapegoat in that there are more of them crawling around than necessary. Let's weed out the lame one's and bring back Catseye.

[Peter F.]

I like them as well but i agree with escapegoat in that there are more of them crawling around than necessary. Let's weed out the lame one's and bring back Catseye.

She's not exactly a lupine though. If I'm not mistake lupine refers to wolf-like mutants. Catseye's well a cat, more feline. Eh, they're all ferals.

[AN0LE]

She's not exactly a lupine though. If I'm not mistake lupine refers to wolf-like mutants. Catseye's well a cat, more feline. Eh, they're all ferals.

I stand corrected... She should still be brought back though. :biggrin:

[Anna]

She's not exactly a lupine though. If I'm not mistake lupine refers to wolf-like mutants. Catseye's well a cat, more feline. Eh, they're all ferals.

According to Loeb's Wolverine arc they're all the same, and all connected to Wolverine via Romulus.

[Peter F.]

According to Loeb's Wolverine arc they're all the same, and all connected to Wolverine via Romulus.

Citing Loeb does not make me wrong.

[Anna]

Citing Loeb does not make me wrong.

Just reminding folks how one bad idea can ruin so many characters. :cool:

[The Lucky One]

on to other topics... are we more inclined to believe that Graymalkin is chit-chatting with the dead or just bat-sh*t crazy?

Or he just has one of those earbuds and is talking to a living person. :wink:

Nah, I'm just busting your chops. If I were a betting man, I'd say talking with the dead. Certainly if Doug's power is to translate any language, it wouldn't be a stretch to say there's a "language" that only dead people can hear/speak/understand, and something about Greymalkin has allowed Doug to make himself known to the boy. Or whatever. But at the same time, Guggs could just as easily say Doug's techno-organic infection revived him, somebody substituted a fake skeleton in his grave, and he's communicating with Greymalkin through purely technological means.

As for the "crazy" option, I guess if Greymalkin starts babbling about pentangle formations next issue, we'll know for sure. :biggrin:

-D

[AN0LE]

Or he just has one of those earbuds and is talking to a living person. :wink:

Nah, I'm just busting your chops. If I were a betting man, I'd say talking with the dead. Certainly if Doug's power is to translate any language, it wouldn't be a stretch to say there's a "language" that only dead people can hear/speak/understand, and something about Greymalkin has allowed Doug to make himself known to the boy. Or whatever. But at the same time, Guggs could just as easily say Doug's techno-organic infection revived him, somebody substituted a fake skeleton in his grave, and he's communicating with Greymalkin through purely technological means.

As for the "crazy" option, I guess if Greymalkin starts babbling about pentangle formations next issue, we'll know for sure. :biggrin:

-D

Oh god... now I am starting to get a whiff of a cheesy retcon... EEK! :eek:

[Stagier]

can someone post a scan of the page of things to come with illyana, doug and whatever tat-men
danke!

[Stagier]

sorry...........................

[ToxicTeen]

Oh god... now I am starting to get a whiff of a cheesy retcon... EEK! :eek:

Yeah that's what we really need, another retcon....:rolleyes:

Anyway, CBR's review for Young X-Men #5 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=313) is up if you want to check it out.

"Young X-Men" isn't a bad idea. There's certainly potential in the book, and I suspect next issue will be establishing the new status quo for the characters. But right now, it's too flat and lifeless.
I totally agree on this. This book probably has some good potential though it just got off on a bad start. :redface:

[AN0LE]

Yeah that's what we really need, another retcon....:rolleyes:

Anyway, CBR's review for Young X-Men #5 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=313) is up if you want to check it out.


I totally agree on this. This book probably has some good potential though it just got off on a bad start. :redface:

Here's hoping for the best. A new color scheme would be nice too. I don't think the bumblebee outfits the kids are wearing are helping the matter of poor coloring and artwork.

[Brett P]

My biggest regret regarding this book is having been so desperate to find out the future of the New X-Men kids that I ended up knowing pretty much everything about this opening arc before the first issue had even come out (aside from Wolf Cub being the one to die, but let's face it, that was pretty obvious).

I look back at the bedlam of those early days and how I wish I'd just been patient and avoided all of that.

Anyway, here we are at the end of the arc and everything is wrapped up, ready for a new start. It hasn't been great. Bad dialogue and sloppy writing mistakes have plagued pretty much every issue. Even in this issue there were times when Magma had apparently adopted Cannonballs speech - the 3 way radio convo between them an Sunspot was particularly problematic.

The art has been mostly pitiful. Yannick draws every character with the same AWFUL nose - which is probably why Dust is one of the only characters who looks nice as her nose is covered up! I also hate his black slit eyes and wrinkly mouthes - Ink looking particularly ugly in the latter stages of the issue.

I couldn't help but be amused at the "in future issues of Young X-Men..." page, acting as a desperate "please keep reading - it gets better - Spider-Man shows up! SPIDER-MAN!" and featuring the most offensive art of the entire issue (well, Spider-Man looked ok...:tongue:).

This has been a pretty awful way to kick off a new series and perhaps should have been a mini series bridging the gap between New X-Men and a Manifest Destiny Young X-Men launch...right now Guggenheim has a lot of work to do to redeem himself as the guardian of the last generation of X-Men and all the time he has this art team on board he's going to be fighting an uphill battle...

[fitditz]

My debate is whether to continue with this book or not. I seriously hated the first arc to the point that I don't want to dish out my hard earned cash for this series any longer. Despite Anole joining the team, all fo the cons greatly outweigh the pros. And I totally agree with the review as this is exactly how I feel.

[Bamf25]

It is odd that they would have painted the "origin" of this new group into such a corner in the first arc. I give them a little credit for trying to be original, but who would want these kids on there team if they were so easily dooped especially when it involves killing old x-men.

Plus this death was the most anticlamatic death ever. Why take the very tired someone is going to die this issue idea (which is as old as the X-Men), telegraph it via Blindfold, only to show what Blindfold sees is gonna really happen and they group can not change it? I just can't believe how bad this first arc was.

This book can only go up or get cancelled.

[greenshoes713]

hopefully canceled then re-coned

[Kage Kisaragi]

This is stinks. No gratuitous booty shots, no really awesome feats... no memorable quotes... and of course another death. Supposedly. So much for seeing the future Blindfold. Again if that girl even tries to see the future I think she should just shut up, because she never does anything that prevents anything from happening.

[Brett P]

To be fair, she didn't know/couldn't see who got killed in her vision or when it would happen and then she was locked up after being bashed unconscious, unable to do anything or contact anyone. By the time Greymalkin set her free, the events had already been set into motion...she WAS telling Jonas to hurry but by that point it was too late!

The whole vision thing catching up with her was one of the cooler parts of the story imo. Just wish it had been illustrated better...

[Kage Kisaragi]

To be fair, she didn't know/couldn't see who got killed in her vision or when it would happen and then she was locked up after being bashed unconscious, unable to do anything or contact anyone. By the time Greymalkin set her free, the events had already been set into motion...she WAS telling Jonas to hurry but by that point it was too late!

The whole vision thing catching up with her was one of the cooler parts of the story imo. Just wish it had been illustrated better...

maybe you're right but I'm feeling the pain of yet another loss. A loss we all never really wanted. I remember not to long ago we had a thread that talked about what we wanted from the next generation of X-Men and one of the most agreed upon things was that Wolfcub should grow up to be the next huge beast-like X-Man. (think Colossus combined with Beast or Rahne.)

[Brett P]

maybe you're right but I feeling the pain of yet another loss. A loss we all never really wanted. I remember not to long ago we had a thread that talked about what we wanted from the next generation of X-Men and one of the most agreed upon things was that Wolfcub should grow up to be the next huge beast-like X-Man. (think Colossus combined with Beast or Rahne.)

Yeah I remember that...

Still, the younger generation of X-Men have a tendancy to slip through the cracks and this time around there are more than ever...it's unlikely that more than a handful of them will remain around for the long haul and the ones that do are likely to be the more unique ones...with Beast, Wolfsbane being a major presence these days and X-23 already filling the role of junior Wolvie there really is no need for Wolf Cub...he was fine as one of the many faces at a school for mutants but he never had what it takes to be a main character, nor was he ever meant to be one...that's not to say he needed to be killed but with so many young mutants and so few slots to fill...I'd rather it was him than just about any other current gen character...

[The Lucky One]

I reread the issue tonight and noticed something I hadn't the first time. I don't think it's been discussed in this thread yet, but Amara comments that she didn't have to break out of her cell, the door just opened. Now, Pierce and Graymalkin were fighting, but they didn't seem to smash any important computers or systems in the fight that might lead to that. So we still have a mystery on our hands, namely who let Amara out. One would have to presume that it's some character who's good with unfamiliar computers or a skilled hacker; now, who might fit that description...

-D

[Slung]

I reread the issue tonight and noticed something I hadn't the first time. I don't think it's been discussed in this thread yet, but Amara comments that she didn't have to break out of her cell, the door just opened. Now, Pierce and Graymalkin were fighting, but they didn't seem to smash any important computers or systems in the fight that might lead to that. So we still have a mystery on our hands, namely who let Amara out. One would have to presume that it's some character who's good with unfamiliar computers or a skilled hacker; now, who might fit that description...

-D

Is that you Kitty Pryde?

Nope, just Doug.

[wolvie616]

Is that you Kitty Pryde?

Nope, just Doug.

YAY DOUG!!!!

[Samy]

This book fails to give enough respect to the New Mutants. Read Sam and Roberto in X-Force #19-43, then come back and tell me that the two of them couldn't have bitch-slapped these newbie punks around with an arm behind their back. The writer was trying too hard to put these newbies on an even footing with long-standing, 10x more experienced characters. Sam and Roberto and Amara shouldn't have a broken a sweat with these losers. Jobbing to newbies, comic book tradition to try to elevate your newbie characters in the eyes of the audience. Disgusting.

I did like the character arc Wolf Cub does here, because ideologically I am one of those guys who likes seeing good old fashioned "heroes don't kill" heroes, and Wolf Cub's arc and final words here seem to be squarely intended to give the Young X-Men a strong ideological foundation. Whenever they're on the verge of killing, they'll flashback to Wolf Cub's final words and be heroes in the end. So I liked where the story went with that. Giving the team motivation to be old school heroes. I liked that.

I also liked how the writer took a page from Geoff Johns' book and gave us a last page trailer. I do believe that those things help build excitement and anticipation for the book. I'm certainly excited by the prospect of seeing Illyana and Doug in upcoming issues. That's the road I want this book to go down. New Mutants reunion. I just hope they drop all the newbies, except Dust. Dust is one of the few recent characters I have taken a liking to. Other than her, they can drop all the newb characters for all I care. Focus on Sam, Roberto, Dani, Amara, Illyana, Doug.

[Samy]

...............

[Brett P]

Referring to Sam, Dani, Amara etc as the "Young X-Men" seems a little insulting though after all they'be been through and accomplished...I understand why they decided not to go with the "New Mutants" name but then despite many of our wishes, future covers seem to indicate that the book will very much continue to focus on the kids anyway, and Guggenheim said he didn't really want more than 5 in his active team...

But then with Doug and Illyana in the future I'd have to assume that the former New Mutants continue to play some sort of role - hopefully Dani atleast sticks around and maybe Amara. Perhaps Cannonball and Sunspot will pop in and out. There's no reason it can't follow a similar format to the "ensemble" cast in Uncanny I guess...

[Kage Kisaragi]

This book fails to give enough respect to the New Mutants. Read Sam and Roberto in X-Force #19-43, then come back and tell me that the two of them couldn't have bitch-slapped these newbie punks around with an arm behind their back. The writer was trying too hard to put these newbies on an even footing with long-standing, 10x more experienced characters. Sam and Roberto and Amara shouldn't have a broken a sweat with these losers. Jobbing to newbies, comic book tradition to try to elevate your newbie characters in the eyes of the audience. Disgusting.

Not quiet seeing your point, Rockslide alone is in my opinion stronger than Roberto, unlike Roberto Santo doesn't feel pain, and is immortal for all practical means. It's not like either of them are psychics (Roberto or Sam) and can mess with his head. Yet I understand, you're a old NW fan and you wanted to see your people shine, but I think you're letting that pride blind you to the fact that outside of Ink, Wolfcub, and Blindfold, the rest of the Young /New X-Men are seasoned, especially Santo and Dust. Dust who by the way would have flayed Sam and Roberto had she been in action and willing to kill her former instructors. Sam is only invulnerable while he's blasting, they never said he was unmovable which is all I saw happen when Santo belted him one.


I did like the character arc Wolf Cub does here, because ideologically I am one of those guys who likes seeing good old fashioned "heroes don't kill" heroes, and Wolf Cub's arc and final words here seem to be squarely intended to give the Young X-Men a strong ideological foundation. Whenever they're on the verge of killing, they'll flashback to Wolf Cub's final words and be heroes in the end. So I liked where the story went with that. Giving the team motivation to be old school heroes. I liked that.

That's rather blatant considering that the majority of them already knew this. It was poorly done no matter how you try and phrase it. Dust already came from a ideology that killing is wrong. Has she killed before? Yes of course but at the time it was expected considering who they were going up against.. Santo even says as much while fighting Roberto, that he wasn't going to kill anyone but that if his friends are.... then he'd have a change of plans.


I also liked how the writer took a page from Geoff Johns' book and gave us a last page trailer. I do believe that those things help build excitement and anticipation for the book. I'm certainly excited by the prospect of seeing Illyana and Doug in upcoming issues. That's the road I want this book to go down. New Mutants reunion. I just hope they drop all the newbies, except Dust. Dust is one of the few recent characters I have taken a liking to. Other than her, they can drop all the newb characters for all I care. Focus on Sam, Roberto, Dani, Amara, Illyana, Doug.

Not going to happen, but we knew Magik was coming back for a while now, in my opinion it was just a matter of figuring out what book they were going to put her in cause god knows the X-Office can't lend out their toys without fans having a fit. I was never a big fan of the New Mutants, and only after Academy X did I develop a interest in Dani and Rahne. The guys always came off as to perfect, head strong, with very few doubts, and not to many weaknesses. It's amazing that they killed off the one who had the most problems and thus potential for character growth/stories to tell. Besides this book is called the Young X-Men, I don't see the former NW as being all that Young and definitely not X-Men considering they are all now apart of the Hellfire Club... the old school mutants will do anything to avoid getting real nine to fives.

[MuhollandDriver]

This book fails to give enough respect to the New Mutants. Read Sam and Roberto in X-Force #19-43, then come back and tell me that the two of them couldn't have bitch-slapped these newbie punks around with an arm behind their back. The writer was trying too hard to put these newbies on an even footing with long-standing, 10x more experienced characters. Sam and Roberto and Amara shouldn't have a broken a sweat with these losers. Jobbing to newbies, comic book tradition to try to elevate your newbie characters in the eyes of the audience. Disgusting.

I did like the character arc Wolf Cub does here, because ideologically I am one of those guys who likes seeing good old fashioned "heroes don't kill" heroes, and Wolf Cub's arc and final words here seem to be squarely intended to give the Young X-Men a strong ideological foundation. Whenever they're on the verge of killing, they'll flashback to Wolf Cub's final words and be heroes in the end. So I liked where the story went with that. Giving the team motivation to be old school heroes. I liked that.

I also liked how the writer took a page from Geoff Johns' book and gave us a last page trailer. I do believe that those things help build excitement and anticipation for the book. I'm certainly excited by the prospect of seeing Illyana and Doug in upcoming issues. That's the road I want this book to go down. New Mutants reunion. I just hope they drop all the newbies, except Dust. Dust is one of the few recent characters I have taken a liking to. Other than her, they can drop all the newb characters for all I care. Focus on Sam, Roberto, Dani, Amara, Illyana, Doug.

Well....members that are probably going to stay are Rockslide, Dust, Ink, and Greymalkin. Anole is likely joining also....possibly Surge.

Greymalkin is one of the good finds from this book. i am interested to find out about him.

Ink pains me. Characters rarely do that...but he does.

After a dismal first arc....i have decided to stick around for another arc. i love Anole. After that..we shall see.

That artist needs to redraw Illyana. There is no reason to give her a Barbra Streisand Yentl nose.

[orkoni1]

It just bugs me that Marvel(or the writers) think that all the lupine characters have to all be like wolverine.

Also why did G. (can't spell name, oh heck, I'll try, Guggenheim?) feel like he had to kill someone on the first arc. Is that the only way to get into a new book, just off someone? That way ppl will keep watch and see who it is?

Seriously.

Maybe the plan is to kill all the background teen mutants in this book or something. Who is next? Indra? Loa? Trance(after wolvie saved her, which would mean the other one shot would have been a waste)? Match? Geez!

Sorry I'm in the volatile stage of the mourrning process : (

[podmark]

Personally I have little interest in the book becoming a purely New Mutants reunion book. Not saying it'd be a deal breaker but I'm more interested in a team that mixes both.

[CmX]

Also why did G. (can't spell name, oh heck, I'll try, Guggenheim?) feel like he had to kill someone on the first arc. Is that the only way to get into a new book, just off someone? That way ppl will keep watch and see who it is?


He wanted it to be a homage to the Second Genesis storyline where Thunderbird dies.

[$5 Milkshake]

It just bugs me that Marvel(or the writers) think that all the lupine characters have to all be like wolverine.

Also why did G. (can't spell name, oh heck, I'll try, Guggenheim?) feel like he had to kill someone on the first arc. Is that the only way to get into a new book, just off someone? That way ppl will keep watch and see who it is?

Seriously.

Maybe the plan is to kill all the background teen mutants in this book or something. Who is next? Indra? Loa? Trance(after wolvie saved her, which would mean the other one shot would have been a waste)? Match? Geez!

Sorry I'm in the volatile stage of the mourrning process : (

Yeah, I think they could'vve done without the death, definitely. The message in WC's death could've been delivered by other means. Hell, even the death of Pierce could have given them the message.

Seems a shame to go five issues giving 90% of the development to a character you just off anyways. Not to mention a waste of a character with great potential.

[The Lucky One]

Personally I have little interest in the book becoming a purely New Mutants reunion book. Not saying it'd be a deal breaker but I'm more interested in a team that mixes both.

I'd be perfectly fine with mixing both, but if it ends up being 90% New X-Men with just a couple New Mutants as occasional instructors, I'm out. I'm sure a lot of NXM fans would love for it to be merely a continuation of that book -- I can respect that, it sucks to have your book cancelled -- but that's not what I'm here for.

-D

[Samy]

Sounds like there should be two separate books for two separate audiences.

Trying to have your cake and eat it too with one book, I think we'll end up with a scenario where neither demographic is satisfied and the book dies.

[metalgorgomon]

Sounds like there should be two separate books for two separate audiences.

Trying to have your cake and eat it too with one book, I think we'll end up with a scenario where neither demographic is satisfied and the book dies.

Maybe you're right but I'm for one is interested if this book will truly consists of mix characters from New Mutants and New X-Men.

Having only been reading the X-books since 2003, I'm interested to read about the New Mutants in an ongoing book. Moreover, some of my fave characters from New X-Men (Dust, Anole, Blindfold) will be featured in this book.

The first arc was pretty bad, but the premise of the book sounds promising IMO.
I'm going to stick around for at least one more arc.

[DeadXMan]

yes one more x-brat soiled by Austin is in the dirt.

say hello to fishstick boy Cubby:evilsmile:

[metalgorgomon]

yes one more x-brat soiled by Austin is in the dirt.

say hello to fishstick boy Cubby:evilsmile:

Austin??
Fishstick boy??? :confused:

[DeadXMan]

you don't want to know.

[sephirothskiller]

Oh somebody did not just insult Sammy!

[Anna]

Austin??
Fishstick boy??? :confused:

1) The Writer No One Likes To Talk About.

2) Squid Boy, favorite student of Juggernaut; killed by a jealous Black Tom.

[ANewHope]

After seeing the Y-Men preview, it got me thinking that perhaps Ink isn't a mutant.

But that the tatoo artist has the power to make tatoo's come to life on whoever he draws. Yeah, I"m going to have to re-read this arc to find out if this makes sense.

But its an interesting thought. Felt i should share it

[AppleBottomJeansBootsWithDaFur]

I have been reading this book since issue #1 and I have to say it is pretty interesting plot. I like how Pierce was using the image inducer to be Cyclops. I like that the students he wanted were ones that were not that smart or would not ask questions. It helped sell the lie that was being pushed.

I look forward to seeing how the New Mutants and former New X-Men interact and mess.

[First Appearance]

I for one am conflicted whether or not I like Yanick Paquette's clear obsession with Dr. Sean Macnamara.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061009/20912__dylan_l.jpg

Anyway, this was good.

I hope for less New Mutants in the future, with the possible exception of Dani whose former pupils aren't on this team anyway. But if that angry blue haired chick is joining, then I guess there's the link. Her and her boyfried were always my least favorite members, but it's still a link I'm interested in seeing.

But I digress, Cannonball's better as an X-Man and the rest of the NM have always been mildly interesting at best to me. I'm more invested in seeing more of Dust, Blindfold, Greymalkin, and Anole anyway.

[Brett P]

i just had to laugh at this.....new xmen has probably been the worst comic ive ever read (thinking) yep even the day dreamers book was better....

New X-Men was basically two different books - Academy X under Defillips and Weir and then Childhoods End under Kyle and Yost and ALL of both runs was the worst thing you've EVER read?! WHATever!

as for sunspot vs. rockslide...he could just keep blasting rockslide into oblivion it couldnt be that hard... Likewise Rockslide could keep reforming / exploding himself at Sunspot. Rockslide is HUGE and solid rock isn't exactly brittle...Santo is a hell of a lot stronger than people give him credit for.

lil anole did it with his funny arm....

This has never happened. Vic offered to break Santo for Beast but it remains to be seen if his arm is actually strong enough to shatter rock...

and i dont think dust could hurt berto in his plasma state...or same while hes blasting.....these kids would be toast......

Roberto isn't invulnerable whilst powered up...pretty sure Dust would win that match up. Cannonball should be safe though.

[Peter F.]

New X-Men was basically two different books - Academy X under Defillips and Weir and then Childhoods End under Kyle and Yost and ALL of both runs was the worst thing you've EVER read?! WHATever!

We should really just ignore this guy, no matter how annoying he is. If New X-men was the worst thing he's ever read then he probably hasn't read much. Loeb's Ultimates, Hudlin's Black Panther, New Exiles, Anything Chuck Austen, or even Young X-men.

This has never happened. Vic offered to break Santo for Beast but it remains to be seen if his arm is actually strong enough to shatter rock...

Actually Anole has shattered rock. When his arm regrew in Limbo he was able to break out of that crystal imprisonment that Illyana trapped them all in.

[Brett P]

Actually Anole has shattered rock. When his arm regrew in Limbo he was able to break out of that crystal imprisonment that Illyana trapped them all in.

Hmm it wasn't a straight up punch impact that shattered it so much as the force of the new arm growing and bashing out...still, there wouldn't have been much point in giving him the new arm if it weren't that powerful...

Wait Not New Xmen I meant the crapiness that is YOung Xmen....New Xmen was good

Well thank moo moo for that! I was worried you may be insane!

Yeah but again all berto has to do is knock rockslide away, then fly up and when rockslide would reform he could just keep blasting him to pieces, thus rendering rockslide useless in battle but sunspot could continue to attack his enemies from the sky

and i only said that dust couldnt hurt berto when powered up is cause berto is continually giving out awesome amounts of heat ....if magma could stop dust im sure sunspot could

Well yeah I guess both those are true enough...I kinda miss Rockslide being able to fire off individual limbs...I think he should still be able to fire off rock projectiles from his body.

[greenshoes713]

I for one am conflicted whether or not I like Yanick Paquette's clear obsession with Dr. Sean Macnamara.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061009/20912__dylan_l.jpg

Anyway, this was good.

I hope for less New Mutants in the future, with the possible exception of Dani whose former pupils aren't on this team anyway. But if that angry blue haired chick is joining, then I guess there's the link. Her and her boyfried were always my least favorite members, but it's still a link I'm interested in seeing.

But I digress, Cannonball's better as an X-Man and the rest of the NM have always been mildly interesting at best to me. I'm more invested in seeing more of Dust, Blindfold, Greymalkin, and Anole anyway.

Why is Yannick obsessed with him?

[First Appearance]

Why is Yannick obsessed with him?

Sorry, I was being facetious.

I just think a lot of his [male] characters look a lot like him.

[Brett P]

Sorry, I was being facetious.

I just think a lot of his [male] characters look a lot like him.

I don't see it personally. Well, maybe Wolf Cub...

[steve2275]

a nip there a tuck there add some fx and there u go :tongue:

[Justin K.]

Why did all the New Mutants appear, minus Karma? I'm sure thye could have put her in here, she was one of the first new mutants. Illyana's situation is understandable, but why no Karma?

[podmark]

Why did all the New Mutants appear, minus Karma? I'm sure thye could have put her in here, she was one of the first new mutants. Illyana's situation is understandable, but why no Karma?

Originally she was going to be in it. She was cut for some reason. I'd guess pacing concerns myself, though it might be because of conflicts with Uncanny.

[AN0LE]

With much of the cast acting out of character, IMO... if Karma had made an appearance in this book, she probably would have been straight. :biggrin:

[Peter F.]

With much of the cast acting out of character, IMO... if Karma had made an appearance in this book, she probably would have been straight. :biggrin:

I'm somewhat worried that the same might become true for Anole

[AN0LE]

I'm somewhat worried that the same might become true for Anole

He needs a BF.... STAT!

Indra, where r u????

[Peter F.]

He needs a BF.... STAT!

Indra, where r u????

India I presume. What are his other non-intercontinental relationship options?

[AN0LE]

CURSES!

Hmmmmm.... I am out of ideas since Wiccan and Hulkling seem moments away from heading to Cali to tie the knot and Northstar doesn't strike me as the "Dateline: To Catch a Predator" type.

[AppleBottomJeansBootsWithDaFur]

I don't think Anole needs a boyfriend at all. Does every straight character need to put into a relationship to show their heterosexualness? No, they don't, so just because a character is gay doesn't mean you have to strap them to someone else's arm just to prove a point.

That said, I look forward to Anole joining the cast of Young X-Men, I loves this book. Not the art, but the writing.

[AN0LE]

I don't think Anole needs a boyfriend at all. Does every straight character need to put into a relationship to show their heterosexualness? No, they don't, so just because a character is gay doesn't mean you have to strap them to someone else's arm just to prove a point.

That said, I look forward to Anole joining the cast of Young X-Men, I loves this book. Not the art, but the writing.

I agree that he doesn't need a boyfriend. I was merely implying that I think it is more likely for a writer to retcon out a character being gay rather than straight. I just think it would be cool to see him with someone to show that the writers are staying true to the character that was established way back when. Just an opinion I am throwing out there.

I too am looking forward to him joining the cast along with anyone else they wish to throw in. Hopefully it will start to gather a bigger fan base. I too agree that the art is definitely not the strong point of this book :tongue:

[AppleBottomJeansBootsWithDaFur]

I agree that he doesn't need a boyfriend. I was merely implying that I think it is more likely for a writer to retcon out a character being gay rather than straight. I just think it would be cool to see him with someone to show that the writers are staying true to the character that was established way back when. Just an opinion I am throwing out there.

I too am looking forward to him joining the cast along with anyone else they wish to throw in. Hopefully it will start to gather a bigger fan base. I too agree that the art is definitely not the strong point of this book :tongue:

Why would they retcon out him being gay? Does he need to mention it every issue just to prove to you that the writers still know he's gay? Why would you make an assumption like that?

[AN0LE]

Why would they retcon out him being gay? Does he need to mention it every issue just to prove to you that the writers still know he's gay? Why would you make an assumption like that?

Hmm I don't believe I mentioned that he needed to mention anything in every issue. I believe I was actually discussing some of the cast acting out of character with Seikun and we joked how Karma would probably be straight which led to us wondering about Anole. I also don't believe I was assuming anything. It was merely an opinion.

[AN0LE]

After seeing the Y-Men preview, it got me thinking that perhaps Ink isn't a mutant.

But that the tatoo artist has the power to make tatoo's come to life on whoever he draws. Yeah, I"m going to have to re-read this arc to find out if this makes sense.

But its an interesting thought. Felt i should share it

Yeah I definitely don't think Ink is a mutant as the mutant detector thingy didn't register him (or at least it was implied to be him). Also, the random tattooed thugs that popped up on the preview page kind of reinforced that idea. Leads one to wonder if the artist is the mutant or if the tattoo dye is magical or what.

[AN0LE]

Has anyone heard if YXM is going to address the Wither/Selene story? Or is that going to be left to X-Force?

[Peter F.]

Has anyone heard if YXM is going to address the Wither/Selene story? Or is that going to be left to X-Force?

I'm fairly certain that Yost and Kyle are bringing it over to X-Force. And based on the preview page with Illyana Young X-men will deal with some of the aftermath of Ex-Infernus. Were there any other New X-men plotlines left dangling by it's abrupt cancellation?

[AN0LE]

I'm fairly certain that Yost and Kyle are bringing it over to X-Force. And based on the preview page with Illyana Young X-men will deal with some of the aftermath of Ex-Infernus. Were there any other New X-men plotlines left dangling by it's abrupt cancellation?

I think the big 2 were Wither/Selene and Illyana but there might be more. Perhaps they can address whether or not Lady Deathstrike is really dead.

Oh and a showdown between Domino and Selene in X-Force could be hot!

[Peter F.]

I think the big 2 were Wither/Selene and Illyana but there might be more. Perhaps they can address whether or not Lady Deathstrike is really dead.

Oh and a showdown between Domino and Selene in X-Force could be hot!

Lady Deathstrike probably isn't dead. I think the only major death that will last from Messiah CompleX is Caliban. The Marauders will all be cloned again. Lady Mastermind survived. Xavier is fine now. Mystique probably survived the "Get Mystique" arc of Wolverine. Sinister is still dead but we've got Miss Sinister now.

[Swashbuckler]

I too am looking forward to him joining the cast along with anyone else they wish to throw in. Hopefully it will start to gather a bigger fan base. I too agree that the art is definitely not the strong point of this book :tongue:


Didn't you say people had to be on acid to enjoy this book last week? You're awfully fluid with opinions.

[AN0LE]

Didn't you say people had to be on acid to enjoy this book last week? You're awfully fluid with opinions.

Actually I was referring to the artwork with that comment. I apologize if you didn't find humor in my comparison of the artwork to a bad acid trip. It was meant to be a touch of dry humor.

And looking forward to seeing a character that I enjoy isn't exactly the same as enjoying this book as a whole.

I doubt I am the only person who disliked the first arc but is still sticking around to see if things improve. Here's hoping for the best...

[AN0LE]

Lady Deathstrike probably isn't dead. I think the only major death that will last from Messiah CompleX is Caliban. The Marauders will all be cloned again. Lady Mastermind survived. Xavier is fine now. Mystique probably survived the "Get Mystique" arc of Wolverine. Sinister is still dead but we've got Miss Sinister now.

Poor Caliban got the short end of the stick. I am anxiously awaiting Regan Wyngarde's return, though. She was far too fun of a character to go out like that.

[First Appearance]

Jonas and Victor should hook up.

[AN0LE]

Jonas and Victor should hook up.

Hehehehe. I think Doug might end up becoming somewhat of a third wheel :biggrin:

[Peter F.]

Jonas and Victor should hook up.

Do you mean the new Vision? Isn't he with Stature?

[AN0LE]

Do you mean the new Vision? Isn't he with Stature?

I think he meant Jonas Graymalkin... maybe?

[First Appearance]

Hehehehe. I think Doug might end up becoming somewhat of a third wheel :biggrin:

Well Mr. Ramsey needs to find someone his own age!

I think he meant Jonas Graymalkin... maybe?

Yes, haha I read that was his name on Wikipedia.

[Peter F.]

Well Mr. Ramsey needs to find someone his own age!


But he died at their age.


Yes, haha I read that was his name on Wikipedia.

Ohh. Is that right? Ew.

[AN0LE]

Well Mr. Ramsey needs to find someone his own age!

LOLOL or at least incoporeal

[AN0LE]

Seikun... you avatar is looking quite colourful... did u add some extra photoshop magic to it?

[Peter F.]

Seikun... you avatar is looking quite colourful... did u add some extra photoshop magic to it?

Yep. I was bored and just messed around with it. I had no clue what I was doing.

[First Appearance]

But he died at their age.



Ohh. Is that right? Ew.

Oh, I don't know how the rules of living and dying work with age in the Marvel Universe.

I personally hope Cypher's pulling a Jeffrey Garrett.

Yep. I was bored and just messed around with it. I had no clue what I was doing.

Well it looks really nice!

[Peter F.]

Well it looks really nice!

Thank you.

[AN0LE]

Well it looks really nice!

Yeah it has a "POP" to it.... very cool

[podmark]

I'm not worried about Anole becoming not gay. That element of his character is part of why he became popular enough to make in into this series. Now that doesn't mean Guggs won't write him poorly.

[AN0LE]

I'm not worried about Anole becoming not gay. That element of his character is part of why he became popular enough to make in into this series. Now that doesn't mean Guggs won't write him poorly.

I am sure his sexuality will remain intact. I think we were just having some fun with the idea of characters seeming so "off" this first arc that Karma would have probably been written as straight if she were to appear.

I think I am moreso worried about Paquette's rendering of Anole.

[greenshoes713]

With much of the cast acting out of character, IMO... if Karma had made an appearance in this book, she probably would have been straight. :biggrin:

hahahahhaha That is so true!

Poor Caliban got the short end of the stick. I am anxiously awaiting Regan Wyngarde's return, though. She was far too fun of a character to go out like that.

Lady D was such a bitch! I miss her:frown:

[Peter F.]

Lady D was such a bitch! I miss her:frown:

Lady M was one of the high points of Carey's X-men. I almost wish she hadn't betrayed them and had just stayed on as an X-man.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Comics are too expensive these days, and five issues is about $15- the equivalent price of a trade paperback. You have to ask yourself, do I really want to keep on waiting for this to get good or should I pick up a Deadpool and Cable trade? Or maybe I should give that indy comic with the good art a shot.

Based on the three issues I bought and the responses people have here, I can't justify staying with the title. The only thing the book has going for it is the characters. I LOVE these characters (New Mutants and New X-Men alike), but unless something drastic happens I don't see myself buying future issues.

I purchased 90's X-Factor for a decade waiting for it to get really good again after PAD left- I don't plan on doing that ever again.


never been injured before in the comics, his healing abilities are unknown.

I hope they don't reveal a previously unknown healing factor as a surprise way to bring the character back. Off the top of my head, this was just done in Gemni #2, and in The Savage Dragon #7-8 (back when it was a high profile book). Both of those stories pulled it off well- the setting in this book/MarvelU would not allow it to work well for Nick.



~ I notice that the opening panels from issue #1 were used again at the end of this issue. That's just lazy on either the artist's part or the editors' part. :mad:


This is actually a good framing device for a story, given that the same scene is drawn twice rather than cut and paste. Somehow I have a feeling that it wasn't drawn twice :frown: .

I thought he was named after the street the mansion was on?

Or maybe he is a cyborg who has the mind of Greymalkin (a.k.a. Ship) trapped in his muddled brain!

My point is that a team with a bit of both would probably be the best overall!

The X-Positions with Guggenhiem seems to make it sound that way. Maybe Young X-Men will be a book for all of the unused New Mutants, Generation X, and New X-Men. We are always complaining that the rookie team gets shuffled off into limbo while the main team remains in their perpetual late 20's- this can be a way for them all to stay somewhat active. It can mimic the way Uncanny will tell stories featuring all any any of the currently available X-Men.



He wanted it to be a homage to the Second Genesis storyline where Thunderbird dies.

Well that idea didn't pan out. Thunderbird's death worked because the entire team consisted of newly created characters with little or no background. Thunderbird was this cool guy with a distinct personality and a lot of potential- and BOOM. We find out that his potential will never be reached. We really believed he was meant to go somewhere.
Wolf Cub was an indistinct character created to sit in the background whom had a little history. Even though he was built up so that we would think he was meant to go somewhere, the death comes off as the writers trimming the fat. This is because we know he was originally intended to go no where. Huge difference.

[Jack Flash]

Now ya'll wait a second ya heah. This book totally was sucktacular.

Did ya heah me? Cuz?

*vomits*

couple of questions:
1. Can Magma heat up when not touching the ground?
2. Have you ever seen such lackluster art?
3. What was Sam thinking blasting through a plane in the middle of a city? He's an X-man. That's ridiculous. and his passengers should have been vulnerable right or does his blast field protect everyone in his vicinity?

This gets two thumbs down for me. Its not New Exiles terrible, but it's pretty horrible all in all. Ya'll heah me?

[$5 Milkshake]

Now ya'll wait a second ya heah. This book totally was sucktacular.

Did ya heah me? Cuz?

*vomits*

couple of questions:
1. Can Magma heat up when not touching the ground?
2. Have you ever seen such lackluster art?
3. What was Sam thinking blasting through a plane in the middle of a city? He's an X-man. That's ridiculous. and his passengers should have been vulnerable right or does his blast field protect everyone in his vicinity?

This gets two thumbs down for me. Its not New Exiles terrible, but it's pretty horrible all in all. Ya'll heah me?

LOL yeah, the Cannonball accent was painful. And yep, I've seen worse art. You read an issue of Cable yet?

[fitditz]

Now ya'll wait a second ya heah. This book totally was sucktacular.

Did ya heah me? Cuz?

*vomits*

couple of questions:
1. Can Magma heat up when not touching the ground?
2. Have you ever seen such lackluster art?
3. What was Sam thinking blasting through a plane in the middle of a city? He's an X-man. That's ridiculous. and his passengers should have been vulnerable right or does his blast field protect everyone in his vicinity?

This gets two thumbs down for me. Its not New Exiles terrible, but it's pretty horrible all in all. Ya'll heah me?
LOL so true. Thumbs down, waaay down.

[The Lucky One]

1. Can Magma heat up when not touching the ground?

Yeah. She's not as powerful when she's not touching the ground, but she can still be in lava form.

3. What was Sam thinking blasting through a plane in the middle of a city? He's an X-man. That's ridiculous. and his passengers should have been vulnerable right or does his blast field protect everyone in his vicinity?

His blast field protects anyone he's carrying, yeah... that's been established. The plane thing, though, I got no answer for. Pretty irresponsible.

-D

[MuhollandDriver]

Why would they retcon out him being gay? Does he need to mention it every issue just to prove to you that the writers still know he's gay? Why would you make an assumption like that?

People can be excited about having a gay character. There are so few. No one is saying the writers have to do anything. For many..including myself...giving Anole a romantic interest could be cool. Why not?

[Patrion]

People can be excited about having a gay character. There are so few. No one is saying the writers have to do anything. For many..including myself...giving Anole a romantic interest could be cool. Why not?

I'D BE HIS LOVE INTEREST!

*AHEM*Cough*cough*

...I mean...if I had to, ya know, it's not like I've got a thing for dudes with green skin or anything...oh dear....

[The Lucky One]

I have to think that when Doug comes back, he'll find out Dani is depowered and say, "Yes! Not the weakest member of the team anymore!" And then she'll blast him with her shotgun.

Shortest return in history.

-D

[Jack Flash]

Yeah. She's not as powerful when she's not touching the ground, but she can still be in lava form.



His blast field protects anyone he's carrying, yeah... that's been established. The plane thing, though, I got no answer for. Pretty irresponsible.

-D

So he can blast through a plane and not get hurt or even phased by it, but a punch can make him drop his cargo?

[Jack Flash]

I have to think that when Doug comes back, he'll find out Dani is depowered and say, "Yes! Not the weakest member of the team anymore!" And then she'll blast him with her shotgun.

Shortest return in history.

-D

LOL. Poor Doug.

[AN0LE]

Lady M was one of the high points of Carey's X-men. I almost wish she hadn't betrayed them and had just stayed on as an X-man.

She needs to come back and smack around some of these X-Kids while slamming back a shot of tequila.

[AN0LE]

And yep, I've seen worse art. You read an issue of Cable yet?

Touche'. Cable's art is definitely a trainwreck!