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Khonshu
08-20-2008, 05:47 AM
I have been watching the actual sales figures for the new Moon Knight title since it's release in April of 2006. As expected with most new titles, sales have dropped since issue number 1, but in Moon Knight's case they have been dropping with each issue thereafter. Below are the actual sales numbers for each issue and as you can see it doesn't look good. With it's numbers dwindling, could this be the end of yet another Moon Knight series? I'm curious to what everyone thinks in regards to this.

Moon Knight Sales Figures

Moon Knight #1 -103,670

Moon Knight #2 -75,333

Moon Knight #3 -69,446

Moon Knight #4 -67,700 4

Moon Knight #5 -64,700 3

Moon Knight #6 -74,000

Moon Knight #7 -76,900 9

Moon Knight #8 -77,400

Moon Knight #9 -69,196

Moon Knight #10 -56,718 4

Moon Knight #11 -58,279 5

Moon Knight #12 -47,503 2

Moon Knight #13 -44,038 5

Moon Knight Annual #1 -32,290

Moon Knight #14 -34,542

Moon Knight #15 -31,532

Moon Knight #16 -29,538

Moon Knight #17 -27,801

Moon Knight #18 -26, 618

Moon Knight #19 -25,807


The single digit numbers behind some of the sales numbers are the weeks that book was late. I wonder how long this book will last if this sales trend continues. I have heard that the pre-orders for the next story arc, "The Death of Marc Spector" with the Thunderbolts, have increased and the story does have a lot of potential. The basic plot is akin to the Amazing Spider-man annual #1 that pits Spider-man against The Sinister SIx with a twist. I hope it does well.

Kevin

JumpingJupiter
08-20-2008, 06:17 AM
This arc is called Death of Marc Spector...

I like Moon Knight. Could this really be the end?

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08-20-2008, 06:21 AM
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Splatt
08-20-2008, 08:32 AM
Solution is quite simple.

Moon Knights needs more Spider-Man. And Wolverine. And it also needs to be renamed "Spider-Man and Wolverine and Moon Knight".

drwho
08-20-2008, 12:54 PM
i dont usually get Moon Knight cus the first writer just turned me off, but I may get this current storyline just to see the Thunderbolts.

Karl H
08-20-2008, 01:07 PM
i dont usually get Moon Knight cus the first writer just turned me off, but I may get this current storyline just to see the Thunderbolts.

I've literally just finished the third trade and it's a complex dark read. It's also a book that needs reading a few times.

Whilst not an essential, its in my top 10 of Marvel titles.

Plus, having just read vol2 of Ellisbolts, anymore appearances (even if not written by Ellis) are well worth it!

Pixie_Solanas
08-20-2008, 01:28 PM
Those Suydam covers aren't helping one bit.

yadadaimhollaing
08-20-2008, 01:33 PM
im gonna start picking this title up again. i enjoyed the issues ive read. problem is when money is tight this is the first title to go.

Don't pee in the (Dead)pool
08-20-2008, 04:22 PM
Moon Knight is one of only five Marvel titles I still buy. I'm gonna start buying Deadpool next month and thus I'll have to change the latter part of my sig to 6, instead of 5.
If Moon Knight is cancelled, however, then I won't have to change my sig at all. Instead I'll just have to lament at the fact that a great title is canned and yet Loeb's Hulk is still selling...:confused: and:mad:

protege
08-20-2008, 05:19 PM
Solution is quite simple.

Moon Knights needs more Spider-Man. And Wolverine. And it also needs to be renamed "Spider-Man and Wolverine and Moon Knight".
I'll be happy with a lot less konshu.

JumpingJupiter
08-20-2008, 05:30 PM
Those Suydam covers aren't helping one bit.

His first few were meh to me but the last two were great to my eyes!

bd2999
08-20-2008, 05:37 PM
I always wanted to pick this title up, but with me getting so many titles as is between Marvel and indie titles I had to draw the line somewhere. I need to go back and get the trades for this title though.

It has dropped off quite a bit there, but I dont think its on the chopping block as of yet. I mean She Hulk has basicly been at that level for a really long time, even after PD jumped on and that book is still getting pimped. Although each character is different.

Hulk_Is
08-20-2008, 06:08 PM
I think the presence of the Thunderbolts will boost sales a bit, along with the fact that Mike Benson (writer) and Marvel want to keep the book true to it's "fringe" character roots, but now also keep the Moon Knight book afloat with appearances by the more popular and colorful characters in the MU - which is great, I think.

Moon Knight is a character with a ceratain flavor to him; I almost want to say that you have to be an adult to get him - so I'm not suprised that his sales are dropping amid books that intertwine heavily with one another, and also hold or have held, a heavily promoted Marvel major event throughout it's storyline.

Moon Knight has his relatively few diehards and the curious to keep the book moving. Will this continue to be enough? I'm just glad books like this even come to see the light once in awhile. If MK reaches it's demise, so be it; that's the nature of the biz: too keep the brand stable; if Moon Knight isn't moving like anything it's needs to go. That being said, Moon Knight an entertaining book nonetheless. It's my top book really. :smile:

midnightman2001
08-22-2008, 10:41 AM
I love Moon Knight! He is Batman the way Marvel would do Batman. :biggrin: :eek:

Not saying I do not like Batman, I love him too. The current storyline is crazy good! ll But Moon Knight reminds me of Batman

midnightman2001
08-22-2008, 10:41 AM
I love Moon Knight! He is Batman the way Marvel would do Batman. :biggrin: :eek:

Not saying I do not like Batman, I love him too. The current storyline is crazy good! ll But Moon Knight reminds me of All Star Batman, only done well! :eek:

Teh m0nk3y
08-22-2008, 11:48 AM
Khonshu be praised!

I am saddened by the loss of sales, but optimistic on the Thunderbolts appearance for the boosting.

JumpingJupiter
08-22-2008, 01:18 PM
I love Moon Knight! He is Batman the way Marvel would do Batman. :biggrin: :eek:

Not saying I do not like Batman, I love him too. The current storyline is crazy good! ll But Moon Knight reminds me of All Star Batman, only done well! :eek:

Yeah, but he's a Heavy Metal Batman.

Cayman
08-22-2008, 01:35 PM
I think an artist change might help.

Toboe
08-22-2008, 01:59 PM
I think an artist change might help.

Indeed. Just imagine the difference if Deodato had stayed for the Thunderbolts arc instead of Texeira...

B. Kuwanger
08-22-2008, 03:26 PM
I won't say that I don't prefer other artists, but I think Tex is pretty excellent. But maybe I'm just biased because of my love for his old War Journal run.

Benson is kicking as much ass alone as Huston did alone or when they were together, so I don't know what could be done to improve sales. It makes me sad.

The Punished
08-22-2008, 03:38 PM
I love the book. I know I haven't bought double issues on a few of the issues but I think it is a very good book. I think it kinda got side tracked for bit after the first two arcs but the last few issues I read were quite good.

I loved the Werewolf by Night issue and drawn by Deodata, awesome just awesome!

JumpingJupiter
08-22-2008, 06:47 PM
I thin Tex's art is good. His strength is in action scenes but he has a bit of a weakness with architecture and technology.

But yeah, my favorite Moon Knight artists are Deodato and Coker so far.

stingerman
08-22-2008, 07:11 PM
Issue one sold over 100,000?! Any particular reason? :eek:

Expletive Deleted
08-22-2008, 07:24 PM
Issue one sold over 100,000?! Any particular reason? :eek:David Finch was really, really popular at the time.

americocaine
08-23-2008, 01:21 PM
They need a big name writer to hop on board or make it much more grittier like X-Force with a good digital artist like Claytron Crain for realism. The sales of that book are excellent and consistently in the top 20 but its an X-Book with Wolverine.

I'm sure Ed Brubaker would work since has an interest in crime-oriented/street level stuff. Or god forbid, Brian Bendis. :eek:

Or have Wolverine join the cast. He hasn't made a guest appearance yet. Ahaha.

HaroldAllnut
08-23-2008, 03:52 PM
i dont usually get Moon Knight cus the first writer just turned me off, but I may get this current storyline just to see the Thunderbolts.

I was a little weirded out by Huston as well, but Benson's doing some good stuff, and in retrospect, I'm probably gonna pick up the first 2 trades. I've bought issues 20 and 21, and have enjoyed them immensely, so I'm more than likely adding this title to my pull list, especially since I just dropped Wolverine and Welcome to Hoxford.

Hulk_Is
08-23-2008, 10:03 PM
They need a big name writer to hop on board or make it much more grittier like X-Force with a good digital artist like Claytron Crain for realism. The sales of that book are excellent and consistently in the top 20 but its an X-Book with Wolverine.

I'm sure Ed Brubaker would work since has an interest in crime-oriented/street level stuff. Or god forbid, Brian Bendis. :eek:

Or have Wolverine join the cast. He hasn't made a guest appearance yet. Ahaha.

Yuck to everything.

JumpingJupiter
08-23-2008, 11:21 PM
Wrote a review -> http://www.ifanboy.com/reviews/JumpingJupiter/marvel_comics/moon_knight/21

KJ_81
08-25-2008, 02:45 AM
I love the character.

I want to love the book. I kinda feel like Marvel's been getting in the way of that at times. The Civil war tie-in was terrible, IMO. I dropped the book then.

I did pick up number 20, based on the preview in other titles. It seemed to be back to the title I wanted.

It was pretty good, and I'll be keeping an eye on future issues.

KJ_81
08-25-2008, 02:50 AM
I love the character.

I want to love the book. I kinda feel like Marvel's been getting in the way of that at times. The Civil war tie-in was terrible, IMO. I dropped the book then.

I did pick up number 20, based on the preview in other titles. It seemed to be back to the title I wanted.

It was pretty good, and I'll be keeping an eye on future issues.

ForeverTaskmaster
08-25-2008, 05:21 AM
Moon Knight is pretty ok. One of the Marvel titles I can still stand. The first trade was bad. The second trade was much better. Moon Knight is one loose canon and I like it that way.

B. Kuwanger
08-25-2008, 08:57 AM
I liked the Civil War tie ins because they weren't really CW tie-ins like the covers would have you believe. It was pretty much just the main CW characters making cameos and being told to fuck off. Which has actually been a pretty big part of the series since.

JumpingJupiter
08-25-2008, 04:42 PM
Do any of you know if Benson is still plotting this in tandem with Huston? They were in kahoots for a while.

Khonshu
08-25-2008, 04:45 PM
This new arc, "The Death of Marc Spector", is all Benson. Huston has nothing to do with the book anymore.

JumpingJupiter
08-25-2008, 05:39 PM
That might be good. As good as Huston is I think Benson might have been bogged down.

I'm thinking Marc might get his powers back. This entire time I've been rooting for Marc to catch some sort of a break and get more self-esteem and get more decisive. Getting his powers back might be cool. After this I'm also hoping that the Moon Knight title proper will deal more in straight-forward crime stuff and some super-hero stuff. I loved the first few character driven arcs but I just want Marc to be able to move on with his life. Let the character overcome new challenges.

Hulk_Is
08-25-2008, 06:47 PM
That might be good. As good as Huston is I think Benson might have been bogged down.

I'm thinking Marc might get his powers back.

Actually, Huston helped Benson get his "sealegs" on the book, so he actually helped more than being a hindrance, though it is cool Benson's getting his own crack at it.

If I remember correctly, Marc wil NOT be getting his powers back. Can't remember if that was Huston or Benson, but they thought Marc was special when he had to overcome challenges without powers. Plus, Benson actually likes stories first with sprinkles of action, when it's required. So, Marc getting his powers back maybe will not happen for awhile if ever during Beson's run.

I Shot Devilot™
08-25-2008, 06:59 PM
The first creative team on this book was crrraaaaaaack and it was almost the best Marvel book on the market, IMO.

then...... :mad:

JumpingJupiter
08-25-2008, 07:12 PM
Actually, Huston helped Benson get his "sealegs" on the book, so he actually helped more than being a hindrance, though it is cool Benson's getting his own crack at it.

If I remember correctly, Marc wil NOT be getting his powers back. Can't remember if that was Huston or Benson, but they thought Marc was special when he had to overcome challenges without powers. Plus, Benson actually likes stories first with sprinkles of action, when it's required. So, Marc getting his powers back maybe will not happen for awhile if ever during Beson's run.

I'm thinking Benson by himself might be the breath of fresh air the book needs. Powers or none.

Libaax
08-25-2008, 07:16 PM
Was MK uber famous in the 80s or something, i dont understand how it can sell 100 000 and lose over 80k and still have decent numbers for a comic like it.

The reason i didnt give him the series a chance was Fincher. Dont know what he is famous for but his art was way too plastic feel for me.

MK himself has Max Punisher like potential. A vigilante that doesnt have problem with killing,ex mercenary,the hole real anti-hero crime feel.

It needs someone that gets that kind of book like Ennis or Bru.

Doesnt have to be that big of a writer though.

Has it been canceled ? If not has the art improved so i can try it ?

JumpingJupiter
08-25-2008, 07:36 PM
The series is not cancelled. A new arc with Benson as writer and Texeira as penciller just started with issue #21.

I think you should check it out. It's taking a new direction and you might like it better.

Libaax
08-25-2008, 07:37 PM
The series is not cancelled. A new arc with Benson as writer and Texeira as penciller just started with issue #21.

I think you should check it out. It's taking a new direction and you might like it better.

Thanks for the info.

I havent read even an arc with MK to finish so i think its only fair to see what his story is about.

Toboe
08-25-2008, 08:38 PM
That might be good. As good as Huston is I think Benson might have been bogged down.

I'm thinking Marc might get his powers back. This entire time I've been rooting for Marc to catch some sort of a break and get more self-esteem and get more decisive. Getting his powers back might be cool. After this I'm also hoping that the Moon Knight title proper will deal more in straight-forward crime stuff and some super-hero stuff. I loved the first few character driven arcs but I just want Marc to be able to move on with his life. Let the character overcome new challenges.

I believe that by getting rid of Khonshu's daily torment and constant harassment, he's going to become more assertive and develop some confidence in himself.

His powers were cool, but I really don't want them back. The fact that his instinctual, nearly animalistic determination is what drives him to accomplish his goals is a great interesting aspect of the character that I do not wish to see go away anytime soon.

JumpingJupiter
08-25-2008, 08:44 PM
I believe that by getting rid of Khonshu's daily torment and constant harassment, he's going to become more assertive and develop some confidence in himself.

His powers were cool, but I really don't want them back. The fact that his instinctual, nearly animalistic determination is what drives him to accomplish his goals is a great interesting aspect of the character that I do not wish to see go away anytime soon.

I'm inclined to agree.

Young Avenger
08-25-2008, 10:18 PM
It's a shame that Moon Knight's sales haven't stablized. It's one of the best books Marvel puts out. It seems to me that Marvel is atleast doing something to improve the sales by featuring ads for the newest issues in most of their other books.

SquidSquod
08-26-2008, 12:57 AM
Where's the TV series? TV series is needed to pump the sales. I don't see other smaller heroes other than MK bucking the trend - all have depleting sales except in key/crossover moment. So a more mainstream exposure is needed other than basic comic advertising.

JumpingJupiter
08-26-2008, 12:59 AM
Animated series I assume?

SquidSquod
08-26-2008, 01:06 AM
No, live action TV series. The talk/project started 2 years ago.

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=4840

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/3085.asp

JumpingJupiter
08-26-2008, 01:21 AM
Oh I see. I think I'd prefer an animated feature film.

Khonshu
08-26-2008, 01:59 PM
Where's the TV series? TV series is needed to pump the sales. I don't see other smaller heroes other than MK bucking the trend - all have depleting sales except in key/crossover moment. So a more mainstream exposure is needed other than basic comic advertising.

This a recent reply from Jon Cooksey from June 2008:

Sorry for the delayed response – I’ve been buried and I also had to check with Marvel to see what the secrecy level is about the series, and (not surprisingly) it’s high (same as the movies), partly because the series is still in development, and partly because we want to protect all the surprises! So all I can tell you at this point is that I was brought on last year to write a pilot and bible, and develop some additional scripts with a few other writers, one of whom is a lifelong Moon Knight fanatic (I grew up a comic book fan too, but didn’t discover MK till later). We’ve all had a great time working on the scripts, and I love the storylines we’ve worked out for the episodes and the series as a whole. More than that I can’t say without starting to give stuff away!



MK fans in the US won’t know the last series I did, “The Collector”, at least until it sells down there (hopefully this year or next), though you’ve found the site. MK would be done with the same production team, and JB Sugar and I are tentatively planning to head down to LA in August to work with Marvel on selling the series for US broadcast.



So much more I’d like to talk about but it will have to wait till later stages. Thanks for writing, and keep in touch!



Jon

siberia77
08-26-2008, 02:03 PM
This series went from extremely intriguing to downright awful. Messy, hard to follow panels with bad gritty artwork and it was all just too much for me - unsubscribe !

B. Kuwanger
08-26-2008, 02:18 PM
I can't defend the second artist (much, I didn't think the story telling was that bad), but in my opinion the script and writing have been A+ from day 1.

JumpingJupiter
08-26-2008, 02:38 PM
This a recent reply from Jon Cooksey from June 2008:

Sorry for the delayed response – I’ve been buried and I also had to check with Marvel to see what the secrecy level is about the series, and (not surprisingly) it’s high (same as the movies), partly because the series is still in development, and partly because we want to protect all the surprises! So all I can tell you at this point is that I was brought on last year to write a pilot and bible, and develop some additional scripts with a few other writers, one of whom is a lifelong Moon Knight fanatic (I grew up a comic book fan too, but didn’t discover MK till later). We’ve all had a great time working on the scripts, and I love the storylines we’ve worked out for the episodes and the series as a whole. More than that I can’t say without starting to give stuff away!



MK fans in the US won’t know the last series I did, “The Collector”, at least until it sells down there (hopefully this year or next), though you’ve found the site. MK would be done with the same production team, and JB Sugar and I are tentatively planning to head down to LA in August to work with Marvel on selling the series for US broadcast.



So much more I’d like to talk about but it will have to wait till later stages. Thanks for writing, and keep in touch!



Jon

Wow! Did you guys read this! Frig! Can this be verified in anyway? Sorry to be suspicious. When I'm on the net I tend to err on the side of caution...

RolandJP
08-26-2008, 03:23 PM
I wonder if Jason AAron would be willing to write a Moon Knight Black Panther Team up.

JumpingJupiter
08-26-2008, 05:22 PM
I wonder if Jason AAron would be willing to write a Moon Knight Black Panther Team up.

I'd buy that.

Hulk_Is
08-26-2008, 05:59 PM
See, the thing about the artwork is that it is the type of artwork needed for a Moon Knight series, but there have been better gritty depictions of him. This current artwork series kinda bites, covers and interiors. :redface:

JumpingJupiter
08-26-2008, 06:27 PM
See, the thing about the artwork is that it is the type of artwork needed for a Moon Knight series, but there have been better gritty depictions of him. This current artwork series kinda bites, covers and interiors. :redface:

I'm liking the covers quite a bit. Espcially #19 and #21. Freaking awesome to my eyes! I think Texeira is pretty good but he doesn't draw tech and architecture as good as he draws other stuff. His action sequences are kick ass in my opinion.

Khonshu
08-26-2008, 08:11 PM
Wow! Did you guys read this! Frig! Can this be verified in anyway? Sorry to be suspicious. When I'm on the net I tend to err on the side of caution...

Don't take it just from me.....

http://www.rbcorner.com/cgi-bin/eblah/Blah.pl?b-news/m-1213062275/s-new/#num5

http://www.thecollectortv.com/14.html

Hulk_Is
08-26-2008, 11:34 PM
I'm liking the covers quite a bit. Espcially #19 and #21. Freaking awesome to my eyes! I think Texeira is pretty good but he doesn't draw tech and architecture as good as he draws other stuff. His action sequences are kick ass in my opinion.

Actually, I'm going to agree with you about the action sequences rendered. I don't have a problem with it now that you mention it, but it's just every non-action sequence which irks me - and others. I mean, having a giant Venom pose coming at you over an unmasked Moon Knight does look 'better' than the other Suydam covers, but if you stare at it too long, it's like, ugh... particularly pertaining to the other 'Bolts.

pharoahe22
08-27-2008, 07:33 AM
I bought the first issue of Moon Knight, and then didn't get back to it until the Civil War Crossovers...Then I went back and collected everything. I have every issue so far. It's been a great, gritty read for me so far. I'm looking forward to the Thunderbolts arc.

Y'know, I wouldn't mind a Wolverine guest appearance :tongue: . What if Rahne Sinclair lost control and lost her ability to transfom back into a human for a while, and Moon Knight tracks her thinking he's following the trail of the Werewolf by night...Then he see's it's not WBN, but he attacks anyway, because Moon Knight doesn't like Werewolves lol. Then Wolverine appears, tracking his X-force teammate...the we get Wolverine vs. Moon Knight. Wolverine's trying to protect Rahne, and Moonie is trying to kill a werewolf...then they work together to solve the problem after they beat the snot outta each other :biggrin:

Jamie
08-27-2008, 09:13 AM
After seeing some of the talk about the title, I went and picked up #13 and #20 (because both were one-shots) and I have to say that I'm liking what I'm seeing. I'm glad they put out these two issues that worked as standalones, more or less, because I'm often reluctant to jump onto a 6-part trade-targetted story midstream.

I'm not too keen on getting into the MU in general right now, so I'm a little reluctant to start picking up the title on a regular basis when it looks like the Thunderbolts are going to be dominating the next few issues, but I'll probably pick up the first one when I go by the shoppe today.

JumpingJupiter
08-27-2008, 03:51 PM
The Moon Knight title has done a good job of flirting wit the rest of the Marvel U without getting bogged down by it I find.

Toboe
08-27-2008, 04:02 PM
After seeing some of the talk about the title, I went and picked up #13 and #20 (because both were one-shots) and I have to say that I'm liking what I'm seeing. I'm glad they put out these two issues that worked as standalones, more or less, because I'm often reluctant to jump onto a 6-part trade-targetted story midstream.

I'm not too keen on getting into the MU in general right now, so I'm a little reluctant to start picking up the title on a regular basis when it looks like the Thunderbolts are going to be dominating the next few issues, but I'll probably pick up the first one when I go by the shoppe today.

Actually, those two issues have been the ones I've enjoyed the most, along with the first issue. You should pick it up as well, and give the first arc a try, it's worth it and not particularly involved with the rest of the MU.

Khonshu
10-22-2008, 03:33 AM
Moon Knight 20 -28,764

Moon Knight 21 -30,883

Moon Knight 22 -26,372

Sales figures update. Yes, the sales went up with the first issue involving the Thunderbolts, but they dropped off with the second. With the new solicitation for January, I'm not expecting anything to get any better soon.

JumpingJupiter
10-22-2008, 02:15 PM
Possibly because the Thunderbolts were not heavily featured?

Jamie
10-22-2008, 02:51 PM
--nevermind--

matthewaos
10-23-2008, 04:06 PM
Well, the good thing is that the book is not ending after the Thunderbolts arc. Second, the Del Otto covers will maybe help a bit I think. Third, I don't like speculating about the cancelation of a book, especially a book that I love. I would prefer if we had a thread about how good the book is and make people go read it, because it is really a very good book: You need to focus on it, it's not light reading for mainstream comics at leats, it's dark, it's not about a nice guy, it's violent and it's fun!

Khonshu
10-24-2008, 04:48 AM
That was the basic intention for starting this thread. To bring awareness to the sales figures and let you know that if you like the book continue to support the book because you may not have that option if you don't.

SquidSquod
10-24-2008, 09:12 AM
Texeira art don't cut it anymore. Muddy art doesn't help sales and won't attract new readers, period. Needs a better artist with clear strokes.

Pixie_Solanas
10-24-2008, 10:07 AM
Texeira art don't cut it anymore. Muddy art doesn't help sales and won't attract new readers, period. Needs a better artist with clear strokes.

That's the reason I dropped the title. Tex's art? Not my cup of tea here. The Deodato fill-in issue with Werewolf By Night? Awesome. Then, back to the same old same old.

Paper-thin scripts aren't helping much either. The finale for the most recent arc (Black Spectre) was soooo devoid of any climactic anticipation and good storytelling, I was just left to say, "That's it???"

Dagger
10-24-2008, 11:11 AM
I want to like this book. I really enjoyed it until Benson came on, and with Tex's arc, it's just not appealing to me. There's nothing dynamic and ZOMG, about this title right now. I think if maybe he gets a co-writer with an new art team, this book will rebound fast.

Khonshu
10-24-2008, 01:37 PM
Starting in January issue #26, there is a new artist on the book. JEFTE PALO takes over the art chores and Gabrielle Dell'otto takes over on the covers. It is really a shame in regards to Tex. His art on the Moon Knight mini series "High Strangers", where he did the pencils and inks, was perfect for the book. He has been getting a bad rap on his run in Moon Knight, but he is only doing the inking and his ink wash is quite good. Javier Salteres's layouts/pencils are ok, but the color artist has been mudding up Tex's work and it just doesn't jive. Look at Tex's original art and you'll see what I mean.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp39/kamoyer/TexArtComparison.jpg

matthewaos
10-24-2008, 03:14 PM
Personally I like Texeira, and I think he is good in Moon Knight but the team was even bettr in Ghost Rider. The best artist for me though, was this guy from #13. But either way, I don't think the art's such a mess. I can think of 10 titles with worse art!

Dagger
10-24-2008, 03:16 PM
Personally I like Texeira, and I think he is good in Moon Knight but the team was even bettr in Ghost Rider. The best artist for me though, was this guy from #13. But either way, I don't think the art's such a mess. I can think of 10 titles with worse art!
I too enjoyed Coker on this title. He really did a great job on the title.

midnightman2001
10-24-2008, 05:02 PM
Moon Knight! all I can think of is


WOOHOO

americocaine
10-24-2008, 06:25 PM
If anything this book would fit perfectly into Dark Reign even though I'm not too excited about its centerpiece titles due to the guy writing them, the tie-in storylines should benefit with some quality writing from someone like Ed Brubaker or a good artist like Mike Deodato.

Deodato's Moon Knight issue this year was the best one released IMO even though it was a standalone issue. But now Mike's off doing Dork Avengers. Incidentally his New Avengers issues were amongst his weakest work in his entire career. Can't help but think if this has anything to do with ol' Baldie's horrible plots.

Walter Hill
10-24-2008, 07:41 PM
"If anything this book would fit perfectly into Dark Reign even though I'm not too excited about its centerpiece titles due to the guy writing them, the tie-in storylines should benefit with some quality writing from someone like Ed Brubaker."


Are you talking about Bendis or Benson, the writer on Moon Knight? Because Benson wrote the Moon Knight werewolf story you liked.

SquidSquod
10-24-2008, 07:49 PM
Tex art should be confined in one-shot, mini, annual, second book, or for new emerging property that Marvel has no immediate stake.

There's no way to boost up sales without getting in new readers. Moon Knight need better artist to attract new readers that need no adjustment in terms of illustration.

Moon Knight actually has a success template in Batman comics because they deal with a same enough setting. See what works with Batman in terms of art & direction, and then go on from there.

Toboe
10-24-2008, 09:33 PM
With issue #26, Moon Knight is getting a mighty fine artist in Jefte Palo, which has sure improved my interest in the book after the somewhat dissapointing Thunderbolts arc and Texeira's muddy art. Along with Gabrielle Dell'otto covers and apparently a new direction, I hope this will mean the book will be renewed.

Walter Hill
10-24-2008, 11:33 PM
Thunderbolts arc is rocking!! :biggrin:

dirtstick
10-25-2008, 10:20 AM
I'm really enjoying the new series, but I really enjoyed Marc Spector: Moon Knight, too.

Don't forget all those great books from volume one. Doug Moench and Bill Sienkiewicz defined the character and gave him life.

You can pick them up for a song at you local shop.

RolandJP
10-25-2008, 12:37 PM
Moon knight need a young sidekick. Preferably a female.

Hulk_Is
10-25-2008, 02:14 PM
Moon knight need a young sidekick. Preferably a female.

He's got Marlene.

Toboe
10-26-2008, 07:41 PM
Moon knight need a young sidekick. Preferably a female.

There was Midnight. That didn't end well.

Marlene and Frenchie were sort of his sidekicks as well, and now they want nothing to do with him. So, I guess not. Moon Knight's the perpetual lone wolf.

SquidSquod
10-26-2008, 09:14 PM
Yeah, MK is not a people's person.

His story must be geared more on MK's independence and what sets him different from everyone else.

Sniper
11-03-2008, 05:11 PM
I'm liking the idea of Khonshu having other avatars out there. Like to see MK go head-to-head with one!

XPac
11-03-2008, 05:16 PM
There was Midnight. That didn't end well.

Marlene and Frenchie were sort of his sidekicks as well, and now they want nothing to do with him. So, I guess not. Moon Knight's the perpetual lone wolf.

That doesn't really work for a book though.

I think even lone wolves need a supporting cast in a book. In fact, I'd argue they need it more because that's when the supporting cast is REALLY important.

matthewaos
11-17-2008, 07:41 AM
Has anyone heard about this new artist? His name doesn't ring any bells. I'm really excited about the Del otto (sp) covers, and for seeing the Punisher (again).

Arksy
11-17-2008, 08:32 AM
He makes an appearance in Hulk #8. I hope that boosts sales of his own book :)

Khonshu
11-22-2008, 06:08 AM
Moon Knight #23 drops another 1,159 monthly readers and hits an all time low.


Moon Knight 1 103,670

Moon Knight 2 75,333

Moon Knight 3 69,446

Moon Knight 4 67,700 4

Moon Knight 5 64,700 3

Moon Knight 6 74,000

Moon Knight 7 76,900 9

Moon Knight 8 77,400

Moon Knight 9 69,196

Moon Knight 10 56,718 4

Moon Knight 11 58,279 5

Moon Knight 12 47,503 2

Moon Knight 13 44,038 5

Moon Knight Annual 1 32,290

Moon Knight 14 34,542

Moon Knight 15 31,532

Moon Knight 16 29,538

Moon Knight 17 27,801

Moon Knight 18 26,618

Moon Knight 19 25,807

Moon Knight 20 28,764

Moon Knight 21 30,883

Moon Knight 22 26,372

Moon Knight 23 25,213

SquidSquod
11-22-2008, 06:54 AM
It's time for:

a) TV series
b) Heavy marketing in Marvel.com
c) New artist. Texeira is capping or even killing the sales.
d) Need significant badassery in the storyline. Preferably more crossover yet keep his independence. MK in Avengers = hell no. MK making fun of the Dark Avenger or Illuminati = more like it.
e) Set a defining role for him like the most equipped & dangerous night vigilantes with Spector himself a wily financier manuvering in world finance & black market.

Dagger
11-22-2008, 06:57 AM
It's time for:

a) TV series
b) Heavy marketing in Marvel.com
c) New artist. Texeira is capping or even killing the sales.
d) Need significant badassery in the storyline. Preferably more crossover yet keep his independence. MK in Avengers = hell no. MK making fun of the Dark Avenger or Illuminati = more like it.
e) Set a defining role for him like the most equipped & dangerous night vigilantes with Spector himself a wily financier manuvering in world finance & black market.
I agree with a lot of this. Although, he is getting a new penciller with #26. I honestly think that the book needs a new writer. While Benson's stories have been decent, he just hasn't seemed to catch a story where I've been ZOMG!!! I have to wait 30 days for the next installment!! WTF?

SquidSquod
11-22-2008, 07:10 AM
Grant Morrison Moon Knight. :biggrin:

Khonshu
11-22-2008, 12:35 PM
Grant Morrison Moon Knight. :biggrin:

Funny you say that....... I read an interview with Grant Morrison before the current Moon Knight began and in that interview he stated that he turned in a proposal for Moon Knight while Marvel was accepting pitches for the new series. There were no details discussed, only that he pitched. I would love to see what he threw at them.

JumpingJupiter
11-22-2008, 02:27 PM
He'd write Moon Knight better than he'd write Batman imo.

md62
11-22-2008, 08:32 PM
I read the first six issues of this Moon Knight relaunch & realized it wasn't for me. Great art & an interesting tale of a heroes' fall & redemption. But it was too violent for my tastes & Marc was written as a bit too crazy for me.

nicktem
11-23-2008, 04:08 PM
I hope this isn't the end of the series. Its one of the best on the shelves.

Walter Hill
11-23-2008, 04:31 PM
I agree -- BENSON is KNOCKING OUT OF THE PARK -- and all people can do is whine and cry? C'mon. It's the shit.

B. Kuwanger
11-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Definitely agree with that, Walter.

As much as I enjoy TexSalt, I have to admit that I like Palo's style more, and he stands a better chance at pulling in new readers.

Walter Hill
11-23-2008, 07:17 PM
Palo is going to make this next run EPIC!!

yadadaimhollaing
11-24-2008, 12:23 AM
I hope moon knight keeps going but with comic prices going up soon i don't know how long this series will last. I don't know why anybody wants to complain about texieras art? I find his art to be unique like maleev yet daredevil sold fine.

JumpingJupiter
11-24-2008, 12:26 AM
Texeira even drew some issues from the original run. He's got lots of experience. I find him very skilled at drawing fight scenes.

Walter Hill
11-24-2008, 09:26 AM
Moon Knight is not going any where. It will not be cancelled. It seems to be a beloved book for Marvel.

Don't pee in the (Dead)pool
11-24-2008, 09:33 AM
Moon Knight is not going any where. It will not be cancelled. It seems to be a beloved book for Marvel.

That's good news!:biggrin:
I only read #24 yesterday and it really does look as though the status quo is changing again. However, I'm happy to see which direction it goes in following the resolution of the current storyline.
I'm sorry if I seem uninformed about Moon Knight's future, it's just that I don't like to read solicits, I try to remain unspoiled on books that I like.

Khonshu
12-15-2008, 09:39 PM
Moon Knight #24 Takes another plunge and sells an estimated 23,220 copies. That's another 2000 monthly readers folks.

Kevin

Walter Hill
12-15-2008, 10:31 PM
It goes up and it goes down. There is an entire new arc and Marvel will not cancel it It's a quality title.

B. Kuwanger
12-15-2008, 11:25 PM
Would anyone say it's a candidate for cancellation?

Jimmy Holograph
12-16-2008, 12:43 AM
I wouldn't say that it would be cancelled in the next couple months, but I have fears that it might not see out the year.

They will give the title at least one more arc after Benson and Palo's first, and if nothing improves it might bite it.

The price raising structure Marvel are using was supposedly meant to HELP struggling titles by keeping them lower, and raising only the team books, but it doesn't look like it's gonna work out that way does it? In the sense that nobody is going to drop their team books, so titles like MK might actually suffer.

LungerTony
12-16-2008, 12:44 AM
I have never read this book, but i am impressed its still around. People were predicting tis cancellation at the end of the "Death of Marc Spector" arch. But...its still here and soliticited.

Ex_
12-16-2008, 01:43 AM
Is the TV series still gonna happen?

helloween
12-16-2008, 01:51 AM
This is one I pick up on occasion. I have always loved Moon Knight. I am really surprised it is still around because Marvel has tried and failed a couple times over the years with this character.

Sean Walsh
12-16-2008, 08:10 AM
I have always loved Moon Knight. I am really surprised it is still around because Marvel has tried and failed a couple times over the years with this character.

The character was always one that Quesada apparently wanted to see succeed. He always answered MK questions in fan Q&A's with "We're waiting until someone submits an idea we really think will work."

Saleswise, it's stumbled, but it had a helluva launch and has been selling surprisingly well for a guy who seems to be contained within this one title and is not really knee deep involved with every single big event in the MU.

Captain Craig
12-16-2008, 01:18 PM
This and Ghost Rider are the only titles I currently buy monthly.

I buy nearly everything else in TPB form.
Avengers, New and now Mighty
Thor
Hulk
Captain America

I don't even bother with Spiderman anymore.

Frank
12-17-2008, 12:48 AM
David Finch should never have left this book. He made Moon Knight badass and a great seller.

SquidSquod
12-17-2008, 01:07 AM
And Texeira should never be in the book. The crude art sinked the sales.

Jimmy Holograph
12-17-2008, 01:36 AM
And Texeira should never be in the book. The crude art sinked the sales.

Having just read #25 (which was awesome btw) I have to disagree with you, Tex has his strengths and weaknesses like any other artist.

But also having seen the preview pages by Jefte Palo, I cannot wait for his run on the book.