Wolverine appreciation thread !

[pariah-1972]

Ok because you demanded it ! a thread for everyones favorite canuckian furball with claws !!

I read Wolverine and the amazing immortal man one shot by David Lapham and i felt like it would have made a better vertigo book for some reason.

I'm not even sure why he needs so many one-shots in the first place cause i don't think they do justice to his character.

Also : anyone wanna fill me in on what hes doing in the new avengers books currently?

anything else Wolvie related is free to discuss at whim :cool:

[wolvie616]

Ok because you demanded it ! a thread for everyones favorite canuckian furball with claws !!

I read Wolverine and the amazing immortal man one shot by David Lapham and i felt like it would have made a better vertigo book for some reason.

I'm not even sure why he needs so many one-shots in the first place cause i don't think they do justice to his character.

Also : anyone wanna fill me in on what hes doing in the new avengers books currently?

anything else Wolvie related is free to discuss at whim :cool:

1. YAY WOLvERINE!!!!
2. what issue of NA did you leave off?

[timbox]

This thread is in violation of forum policy due to an absence of appreciatory images. Please edit your post or be prepared to face the consequences.

[maigen]

I'd like to thank the man(character) known as Wolverine for many things.

1. Thank you Wolverine, Logan if I may, for popping up in storylines where your presence makes absolutely no sense.

2. Wolvie, ole buddy ole pal, thanks for being there in a Fatherly/Creepy Old Uncle/Peeping Tom way to each and every young budding teenage girl.

3. I send my dearest appreciation for your ability to completely overshadow other characters who's background and/or plotline need more exploration than your own in order to sell of few more copies of a certain book.

4. Finally, and this is the one closest to my heart, I would like to send my deepest regards for you being hairy in places I'm not sure anyone should be and smelling a bit like an old wet dog.

Because Wolverine, Logan, there's no one as truly badass as thee. Here's a beer to you!

[wolvie616]

I'd like to thank the man(character) known as Wolverine for many things.

1. Thank you Wolverine, Logan if I may, for popping up in storylines where your presence makes absolutely no sense.

2. Wolvie, ole buddy ole pal, thanks for being there in a Fatherly/Creepy Old Uncle/Peeping Tom way to each and every young budding teenage girl.

3. I send my dearest appreciation for your ability to completely overshadow other characters who's background and/or plotline need more exploration than your own in order to sell of few more copies of a certain book.

4. Finally, and this is the one closest to my heart, I would like to send my deepest regards for you being hairy in places I'm not sure anyone should be and smelling a bit like an old wet dog.

Because Wolverine, Logan, there's no one as truly badass as thee. Here's a beer to you!

here here!

we need a theme song for logan

suggestions anyone?

[maigen]

When I was writing that the Bud Light "Real Men of Genius" song kept running through my head.

[wolvie616]

When I was writing that the Bud Light "Real Men of Genius" song kept running through my head.

PERFECT! i just remembered it

so wolverines theme song is "real men of genius!"

[pariah-1972]

I'd like to thank the man(character) known as Wolverine for many things.

1. Thank you Wolverine, Logan if I may, for popping up in storylines where your presence makes absolutely no sense.

2. Wolvie, ole buddy ole pal, thanks for being there in a Fatherly/Creepy Old Uncle/Peeping Tom way to each and every young budding teenage girl.

3. I send my dearest appreciation for your ability to completely overshadow other characters who's background and/or plotline need more exploration than your own in order to sell of few more copies of a certain book.

4. Finally, and this is the one closest to my heart, I would like to send my deepest regards for you being hairy in places I'm not sure anyone should be and smelling a bit like an old wet dog.

Because Wolverine, Logan, there's no one as truly badass as thee. Here's a beer to you!You need a spanking don't you?

[wolvie616]

You need a spanking don't you?

i thought it was nice

[pariah-1972]

i thought it was niceNot really except for the last part.


And i haven't read any new avengers since the one where Wolvie hopped in the shower with Spider-woman.

[wolvie616]

Not really except for the last part.


And i haven't read any new avengers since the one where Wolvie hopped in the shower with Spider-woman.

ok, heres the rundiwn of na

he was fighting a symbiote trying to posess him
he helped the relief after hte symbiote problem
he shredded through the hoods forces with the na

the hood came to them and he fought again and they won, but dr. strange left the team

they get an apartment for a base, luke and jessica break up
and wolvie saves echo from being replaced

the rest is in secret invasion

[rwsmith]

Something tells me that a Wolverine appreciation thread won't last long before the haters descend upon it in force, but I've got to admire you for trying, Pariah.

Wolverine is definitely the man. Here are some random pics that I Googled for Timbox.

With the 90's era Blue Team:
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0602/xmen.jpg

Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/Ultimate-wolverine-vs-hulk.jpg/250px-Ultimate-wolverine-vs-hulk.jpg

With Cap, Iron Man and Spidey (original New Avengers):
http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/12600.jpg

Leader of X-Force:
http://loganfiles.com/pre/XFORCE_6.jpg

[wolvie616]

Something tells me that a Wolverine appreciation thread won't last long before the haters descend upon it in force, but I've got to admire you for trying, Pariah.

Wolverine is definitely the man. Here are some random pics that I Googled for Timbox.

With the 90's era Blue Team:
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0602/xmen.jpg

Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/Ultimate-wolverine-vs-hulk.jpg/250px-Ultimate-wolverine-vs-hulk.jpg

With Cap, Iron Man and Spidey (original New Avengers):
http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/12600.jpg

Leader of X-Force:
http://loganfiles.com/pre/XFORCE_6.jpg

x force 6 is my desktop

if wolvie hooks up with domino x forcev 9 will become my desktop tho

[Pixie_Solanas]

The early 80s mini with Claremont on the script and Miller on the art was probably my favorite piece of work for years and years. To this day, it's held up well.

Now? Just wildly overexposed. There's no sane or logical reason he should be in (New) Avengers, and it's a dumb move. I always appreciated the fact that the x-folk were on the "periphery" of the MU and never part of their core squad or teams.

[wolvie616]

The early 80s mini with Claremont on the script and Miller on the art was probably my favorite piece of work for years and years. To this day, it's held up well.

Now? Just wildly overexposed. There's no sane or logical reason he should be in (New) Avengers, and it's a dumb move. I always appreciated the fact that the x-folk were on the "periphery" of the MU and never part of their core squad or teams.

wolvie is overexposed, but in a good way!

[rwsmith]

The early 80s mini with Claremont on the script and Miller on the art was probably my favorite piece of work for years and years. To this day, it's held up well.

Thanks for contributing to the appreciation of Wolverine! That mini was indeed awesome. 'Nuff said. :wink:

[wolvie616]

one of my favorite wolverine issues was uxm annual 11 i actually bought it as a standalone instead of a trade cause ir was so touching

anyone else agree?

[maigen]

You need a spanking don't you?

Yes. If it goes something like this...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c306/maigen_rc/wolvie.jpg

[wolvie616]

Yes. If it goes something like this...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c306/maigen_rc/wolvie.jpg

LOLZ:biggrin: :biggrin:

[Dagger]

I haven't really enjoyed Wolvie since Hama. I've enjoyed arcs here and there, but him being just wildly over-exposed, and writers writing him completely uberly powerful has detracted away from the character. Also, all the trouble writers put into making him less an animal, and more a man trying to deal with his animal urges have been thrown out the window simply in order to make him more 'bad-ass'.

[MartinRedmond]

I love Wolverine. I spend at least 50$ every week on him! :]

[chickrockguitar]

Oo. The Thread got made! :biggrin:
Go Wolverine!

[wolvie616]

I love Wolverine. I spend at least 50$ every week on him! :]

good job!

lets us keep our supprt for wolverine strong!

[wolvie616]

Wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Swashbuckler]

If you appreciate the character so much shouldn't you be able to have a good discussion about him instead of just say LOLZ, "yeah support Wolvie", or "Wolverine !!!!!!!!!!!!" . I mean really, those comments bring nothing to this appreciation of Logan except for hollow, shallow praise.

[atomicturtle]

Thanks Logan, for providing the genetic data that made my single-most favorite character in Marvel history possible: X-23.

[maigen]

If you appreciate the character so much shouldn't you be able to have a good discussion about him instead of just say LOLZ, "yeah support Wolvie", or "Wolverine !!!!!!!!!!!!" . I mean really, those comments bring nothing to this appreciation of Logan except for hollow, shallow praise.

What? C'mon! The spanking pic...intelligent and classy.

[wolvie616]

Thanks Logan, for providing the genetic data that made my single-most favorite character in Marvel history possible: X-23.

indeed the great character of the decade

[wolvie616]

alright everyomne, favorite wolverine moments?

[pariah-1972]

alright everyomne, favorite wolverine moments?The Frank Miller arc, Wolverines first and second times inter-acting with Armor and just about any lol moment that Whedon has done with Wolverine.


Enemy of the state was really good too.

The time when Kitty was frustrated and took a drag of Wolvies cigar and was like "told ya so"

The Wolverine and Kitty mini series where he helped her fight off Ogun.

The time when Lady Viper (i think thats her name?) was possessed by Ogun and he stabbed her in the stomach and left her bleeding.

I'm sure i'll think of more later.

[pariah-1972]

I haven't really enjoyed Wolvie since Hama. I've enjoyed arcs here and there, but him being just wildly over-exposed, and writers writing him completely uberly powerful has detracted away from the character. Also, all the trouble writers put into making him less an animal, and more a man trying to deal with his animal urges have been thrown out the window simply in order to make him more 'bad-ass'.Hama's run was too confusing for me.

[wolvie616]

fav wolverine moments

when he saves the human race by regenerating frim a drop of blood(uxm ann.11)

all of kitty pryde and wolverine

killing sabretooth(wolverine vol.3 #55

carrot sticks(SI#4)

and many more but i won t list them

[pariah-1972]

fav wolverine moments

when he saves the human race by regenerating frim a drop of blood(uxm ann.11)

all of kitty pryde and wolverine

killing sabretooth(wolverine vol.3 #55

carrot sticks(SI#4)

and many more but i won t list themThat reminds me ! i really liked the story where he chased down Nitro and had to fight off three Atlanteans and then had to deal with Sub-mariner .
It was kinda cool how he didn't get to kill Nitro like he wanted but he did end up with the hot atlantean babe before they killed her off unceremoniously.

[pharoahe22]

Darn it...I just made a new Wolverine Appreciation thread because I didn't think there was one. I'll move my posting here though:

Poster Shots:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WolverineOrigins-001b.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WC15.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WolvCap2.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WC16.jpg

Wolverine's view on Killing:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine20.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine21.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine22.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine23.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine08.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine09.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine10.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine05.jpg

(On Dealing with the Scarlet Witch...)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WC08.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WC09.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WC10.jpg

(Civil War)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine01.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine04.jpg

That should get us started!

[timbox]

Darn it...I just made a new Wolverine Appreciation thread because I didn't think there was one. I'll move my posting here though:


Yours is much better than this one.

[pharoahe22]

Yours is much better than this one.

Thanks :biggrin: ...I think I'll just post all of my new scans and stuff in this one though, because it already has 3 pages worth of posts. Anyone have any scans showing Wolverine's mastery of H2H combat, or showing his greatest battles with the superhero/supervillain community?

[pariah-1972]

Yours is much better than this one.I heard that :mad: :mad:

[pharoahe22]

I had to resurrect this thread. More Scans...The "Wolverine vs." series:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/20061020batmanVsWolverine.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/Wolverine_vs_Maxx.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/wolverine249.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/pharoahe214/WolvCap1-1.jpg

[Captbigbeard]

Yeah, I'm on the same boat as most of you. Wolverine's the man, and after years of reading comic books, I just now started reading the Wolverine series. The reason I put it off so long and never really got into him, was cause theres just SO MANY wolverine comics. And allot of them strait out suck. I just never knew where to start and simply didn't have the time.

But when done right, he's just one of the best. Deep, complex, he's honorable and good but just barely. He walks that fine line.

But man, just too many series. And I do find he works best in team situations, despite the fact he ain't a team player.

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

when he saves the human race by regenerating frim a drop of blood(uxm ann.11)



sorry to bring this is up, but its similar. Wolverine is frickin awesome. i heard and found out there was an old what if kinna shot from the 90s where Wolverine battled Gladiator for 6 days to see if they'd let the people of earth live on his planet. Wolverine ended up dying, but he saved the human race. now that is an epic way to go.

Does anyone have any pics from that or know the particular issue? Hmm Maybe this was better off as a new topic

[beserkerclaw]

i agree Hama was very good on the book, but i cant wait for Jason Aaron'a run on Wolverine:Weapon X

[roleplay]

A chronological update of Wolverine's past from Origin to Weapon X:

http://www.typingmonkeys.com/wolverine/

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

just to annoy the haters whose favorite was never really Wolverine:

hey remember that time that Wolverine killed the Xmen?

[roleplay]

Much Wolverine respect:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=486007&pagenumber=2

:biggrin:

[Congo Jack]

alright everyomne, favorite wolverine moments?
Because it's the best:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/ScarComics/ComicsFragments/Uncanny-X-Men-132-pic1-Wolverine.jpg

[roleplay]

A tribute to our favorite Canadian mutant:

http://forums.wolverinefiles.com

Hopefully your movie won't be a waste and Deadpool will get a great spinoff. (And please let your popularity grant me a decent sized fan forum.)

:biggrin:

[Home made ectoplasm]

props to pariah-1972 for the best appreciation thread on these boards that isn't dedicated to Cipher.

[AcesX1X]

i've seen prodigy threads more enthusiastic than this. this is an absolute disgrace.

[pariah-1972]

props to pariah-1972 for the best appreciation thread on these boards that isn't dedicated to Cipher.

Thanks yo:cool: :biggrin:

[Congo Jack]

Christopher Yost on X-Men: Origins Wolverine (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020902-Yost-Wolverine.html)

In so much as they cover some of the same ground, yes. But where the movie has WW2 and wrestling matches, I have Heather Hudson. You just can't do that in a movie.
Heather Hudson is better than both war and wrestling!

I think the man he became after he forgot who he was defined him. His natural inclination, all things being equal, was to be a man of honor. A hero. Someone who fights against the beast within. That's pretty telling.TEX!!!
Well said, Yosty. Well said.

Yes. You'll get to see exactly what happened once Wolverine and Professor X left that office after Wolverine quit Department H. It isn't pretty.
I’m all for leaving GIANT-SIZED X-MEN #1 the hell alone, but this might just be fun.

[Porcelain]

Ironically despite loving Yost/Kyles take on Wolverine, not really excited by Yost's Wolverine Origins, but I'll check it out. Actually really really didn't like the Emperor Vulcan stuff, which I think is the only thing I've read by him on his own, so from that point of view will be interesting to see how he fairs on this.
I haven't really enjoyed Wolvie since Hama. I've enjoyed arcs here and there, but him being just wildly over-exposed, and writers writing him completely uberly powerful has detracted away from the character. Also, all the trouble writers put into making him less an animal, and more a man trying to deal with his animal urges have been thrown out the window simply in order to make him more 'bad-ass'.
Agree, though Hama is hit and miss reading back now, he built a decent character thread and played off a lot of fun genres. Exceptions post-Hama being pretty much anything done by Whedon, Yost/Kyle & Millar. Kinda lucky at the moment to be getting two interesting versions of Wolverine in X-Force & Old Man Logan.

Still waiting for Bendis to do something decent with him. Aaron showed promise in places too.

I really really wish though that A. Nother character would bitch slap him at least once for relying so much on his healing factor and getting his arse kicked so frequently instead of using his head - vote for Pixie. Even better, the editors realise that using the same character for cannon fodder again and again just because you can, isn't really that great.

i agree Hama was very good on the book, but i cant wait for Jason Aaron'a run on Wolverine:Weapon X
The who what now? Been out of the loop awhile.

[Congo Jack]

The who what now? Been out of the loop awhile.
Jason Aaron, the guy that wrote "Get Mystique" and the "Manifest Destiny" Wolverine mini-series is launching a new Wolverine on-going in April with artist Ron Garney. The book will co-star Maverick, and the first arc is called "The Adamantium Men".

[pariah-1972]

Sorry i don't think the world needs another Wolverine origins book.
How many times can you tell the same story over and over?

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

Sorry i don't think the world needs another Wolverine origins book.
How many times can you tell the same story over and over?

apparently.. over and over?

[Jota]

Jason Aaron, the guy that wrote "Get Mystique" and the "Manifest Destiny" Wolverine mini-series is launching a new Wolverine on-going in April with artist Ron Garney. The book will co-star Maverick, and the first arc is called "The Adamantium Men".And it will probably be awsome!:biggrin:

[pariah-1972]

And it will probably be awsome!:biggrin:I did not like Wolverine Manifest Destiney at all wrting wise.

[wolvie616]

just for the sheer awsomeness of it: http://www.comicvine.com/wolverine/29-1440/28/105-480447/?offset=1758

[Dooby Doo!]

He's pointy and sharp

Yay

[Jota]

I did not like Wolverine Manifest Destiney at all wrting wise.It's the only Wolverine book in stores this days that I would use for something other then toilet papper.

[wolvie616]

It's the only Wolverine book in stores this days that I would use for something other then toilet papper.

what about old man logan? that has been excellent!

[wolvie616]

ok guys we know jean is coming back, but shall she hook up with logan, or kill emma and THEN hook up with logan?

[Will '85]

ok guys we know jean is coming back, but shall she hook up with logan, or kill emma and THEN hook up with logan?

Secret option C, hook up with Emma and kill Logan.

250k sales, guaranteed.

Only question is, who will be the "next" Wolverine. X-23 or Daken?

[pariah-1972]

It's the only Wolverine book in stores this days that I would use for something other then toilet papper.So you like it when writers ignore major plot points of a characters history?

[Jota]

So you like it when writers ignore major plot points of a characters history?If I did, I'd love most Wolverine stories this days. What major plot points did Aaron ignore?

what about old man logan? that has been excellent!I buy the "Wolverine" book for Wolverine stories. Not for half-assed hibrids of "Wanted", "Unforgiven", Mad Max" and "Grumpy Old Men".

[wolvie616]

Secret option C, hook up with Emma and kill Logan.

250k sales, guaranteed.

Only question is, who will be the "next" Wolverine. X-23 or Daken?

no, not as fun. i think emma needs to BURN:evilsmile:

[wolvie616]

If I did, I'd love most Wolverine stories this days. What major plot points did Aaron ignore?

I buy the "Wolverine" book for Wolverine stories. Not for half-assed hibrids of "Wanted", "Unforgiven", Mad Max" and "Grumpy Old Men".

aw come on, its been great. wolverine is gonna pop those claws in the red skulls....skull

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

what about old man logan? that has been excellent!

meh i expect most people to like that only if wolvie is their fave character. it hurts too deep to see wolverine thrashing about other x-muties... even if its not a canon storyline to begin with.

[pariah-1972]

If I did, I'd love most Wolverine stories this days. What major plot points did Aaron ignore?

.That Ogun is Wolverines Sensei noone has ever mentioned anyone named "Master Po" and a lot of Clint Eastwoods movies have inspired Wolverine's character and he is admitted fan of his too.

[Ferago]

I love Wolverine from the 90's, but these days I don't even want to look at him. They've totally over exposed and over powered him.

There's a cartoon now called 'Wolverine and the Xmen'

Wolverine AND the x-men? Come on...

[pariah-1972]

I love Wolverine from the 90's, but these days I don't even want to look at him. They've totally over exposed and over powered him.

There's a cartoon now called 'Wolverine and the Xmen'

Wolverine AND the x-men? Come on...I don't mind the overexposure so much i don't read everything Wolverine is in (i'm not sure there is anyone who does)the thing i'm getting tired of is the endless pillaging of his history and backstory and origin and numerous pointless retcons.

"Get Mystique" was great because it had almost none of those things it was so refreshing to see Wolverine just do what he does best.

[Congo Jack]

...and a lot of Clint Eastwoods movies have inspired Wolverine's character and he is admitted fan of his too.
I haven't read "Manifest Destiny"... please explain in what capacity Clint is mentioned?

[pariah-1972]

I haven't read "Manifest Destiny"... please explain in what capacity Clint is mentioned?It's not mentioned in Manifest Destiny but he has mentioned being a fan of Clint Eastwood before.

[pharoahe22]

That Ogun is Wolverines Sensei noone has ever mentioned anyone named "Master Po" and a lot of Clint Eastwoods movies have inspired Wolverine's character and he is admitted fan of his too.

Yeah as much as I like Jason Aaron's writing, when it comes to Wolverine, he's pretty much completely ignored Wolverine's past continuity. He's doing this Wolverine Kung Fu story, but seriously downplays Wolverine's skills and make no mention of Ogun or any of the other masters he's ever trained with. Then, he has a kid say to Logan "I bet you've never fought Shang-Chi or Iron Fist before, because you're still standing here"...when Wolverine had defeated Shang-Chi before, and fought an Iron Fist before back when Danny got his powers stolen and was defeated by this punk who took over the Hand. Logan fared better against the guy than Danny did...Danny even admitted it. It just doesn't seem like he does the research. We'll see how he handles the last chapter of Manifest Destiny though.

[Jota]

That Ogun is Wolverines Sensei noone has ever mentioned anyone named "Master Po" and a lot of Clint Eastwoods movies have inspired Wolverine's character and he is admitted fan of his too.I could hardly understand this.

Yeah as much as I like Jason Aaron's writing, when it comes to Wolverine, he's pretty much completely ignored Wolverine's past continuity. He's doing this Wolverine Kung Fu story, but seriously downplays Wolverine's skills and make no mention of Ogun or any of the other masters he's ever trained with. Then, he has a kid say to Logan "I bet you've never fought Shang-Chi or Iron Fist before, because you're still standing here"...when Wolverine had defeated Shang-Chi before, and fought an Iron Fist before back when Danny got his powers stolen and was defeated by this punk who took over the Hand. Logan fared better against the guy than Danny did...Danny even admitted it. It just doesn't seem like he does the research. We'll see how he handles the last chapter of Manifest Destiny though.I still didn't read #3, so I can' comment on that. That kid probably overrates San Chi and Iron Fist as much as some people in the internet. :biggrin:
As for Ogun, it's not obligatory to allways mention him.

[Congo Jack]

It's not mentioned in Manifest Destiny but he has mentioned being a fan of Clint Eastwood before.
... so ... why did you bring Eastwood up?

[pariah-1972]

... so ... why did you bring Eastwood up?

I didn't someone else did:rolleyes:

[wolvie616]

wolverine has trained with the shaolin for many years..... in real life this is amazing.....watch:eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qHL2PSpecI&feature=channel_page