Madelyne Pryor Appreciation

[Henry T.]

She was Scott Summer's first wife. She is Nathan Summer's mother. She was the healer Anodyne. She is Jean Grey's genetic clone. She is a spark of the Jean Grey/Phoenix reborn. She is the original Goblin Queen. She was Nate Grey's best friend and the Black Rook of the Hellfire Club. And she has banged more X-Men than Emma Frost. She is all this and more.

Lets start an inferno.

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[limerick]

sorry ht noones biting

[Anodyne]

At least the OP stated the facts in the order of their importance. Madelyne as Scott's wife and Nathan's mother should take precedence over Madelyne as Jean Grey's clone. We all grew from tiny pieces of our parents' tissue; why should it matter if Maddie had only one progenitor? If Maddie was a spark of the Phoenix Force, so was Jean. And as far as I'm concerned, the Goblin Queen was a product of either demonic possession or dissociated identity disorder; take your pick. Maddie should be allowed to face the darkness within herself, overcome it, and find her way back to the light where she belongs.

Maddie had sex with two X-Men, one of whom was her husband. She didn't act on her feelings for Alex until she'd been tricked by demons and tortured by order of the Genegineer.

[Henry T.]

sorry ht noones biting

I wish some people would bite me. :)

I bet the darker and kinkier versions of Madelyne would be into biting.

I've now added a poll for people to chose their favorite Maddie story.

[Flinkman]

all great choices, i voted for all of them!

i <3 Maddie. she's my favorite clone of a character i don't particularly care for ever!

[Pixie_Solanas]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/mps42.jpg

Beyond HOT!
Now THAT'S a costume.

[Pixie_Solanas]

sorry ht noones biting

I'd have bit if I saw this sooner.

[Dagger]

I'd have bit earlier, too had I noticed it. I love Maddie. I love Maddie almost as much, if not moreso, than I love Jean. But I love her as a villain, but not the way that she's been portrayed so far. I think she should remain a villain, but more of a sympathetic, gray villain. I don't like her being a raving lunatic villain. So, here's to hoping we get a new, and improved Maddy.

[Michael Sean]

*bites limerick * :mad:

Anywho..

Maddie is pretty cool and I've come to really appreciate her over the years.

[drwho]

Scott had two chances with practically the same woman and they both went no where. That should tell you something.

Maddie was pretty cool in that tight leather outfit plus to an extent you can blame the demon's for corrupting her soul also. She was not completely innocent but they brought the wickedness out of her more when she was at a low point in her life.

Inferno was really one of my favorite storylines. Especially how they were able to bring everything together.

[maigen]

I like red hair. She had red hair. Therefore I appreciate her.

That's all I gots.

[AcesX1X]

Hay Maddie, let's appreciate!

She was the hotness and had all the fire Jean Grey had but without all the scruples! Maddie has a special place in my heart.

...now bow down or she'll turn you into a nasty demon!

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[Henry T.]

The November solicitation for the trade collecting X-Man's Counter X run was pretty funny and a bit gross. :biggrin:


COUNTER X VOL. 3 TPB
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Penciled by ARIEL OLIVETTI
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[jarrod]

Poll's instant failure without Fall of the Mutants or Outback Maddie. That's really when she was at her best imo.

[MartinRedmond]

I liked her best when she was just a human, non powered ally. I hated Inferno mostly cause I was peeved she had gained super powers. She could've just known too much about Sinister or w/e. The clone thing left me cold. I liked her before that.

[Flinkman]

Poll's instant failure without Fall of the Mutants or Outback Maddie. That's really when she was at her best imo.
ooooh absolutely. i voted for ALL of the options, but if those two had been on there...i'd likely have voted for them exclusively.

[Anodyne]

Poll's instant failure without Fall of the Mutants or Outback Maddie. That's really when she was at her best imo.
Excellent point!

I liked her best when she was just a human, non powered ally. I hated Inferno mostly cause I was peeved she had gained super powers. She could've just known too much about Sinister or w/e. The clone thing left me cold. I liked her before that.
I :mad: hated Inferno because it whitewashed Scott's treatment of Maddie by playing "Blame the Victim."

[Valeria Kementari]

X-Man 25 when she fought Jean again was a great issue. I did hate the X-Man/Maddie relationship, it bordered on incest

[jarrod]

Well, despite the lacking poll (sorry Henry) I voted all but the last two. While I love Inferno, I don't love it as a Maddie story. The only good thing she did in it was put Alex in butt floss. And while I'm always up for a little inceXt, the concept was far better than the execution in X-Man.

I miss Maddie. I really hope she's not dumbed down for her return. :frown:

[marvell2100]

I'm curious if this is what the intended to do with Maddie when they first introduced her. I think they Brought her in so that they could have Jean without bringing Jean back. But then they didn't know what to do with her so they set up the Inferno storyline. I liked her either way.

[Slung]

X-Man 25 when she fought Jean again was a great issue. I did hate the X-Man/Maddie relationship, it bordered on incest

Only if sleeping with your mom's twin sister is incest...Oh, wait.

[Imraith Nimphais]

You forgot to include MUTANT X Maddie...I like her lots too, quite.

[DDM]

I'm curious if this is what the intended to do with Maddie when they first introduced her. I think they Brought her in so that they could have Jean without bringing Jean back. But then they didn't know what to do with her so they set up the Inferno storyline. I liked her either way.

Madelyne Pryor was created to write Cyclops out of Uncanny X-Men so he could live "happily ever after." Scott would become an active X-Man only for emergencies. However, all changed when Marvel decided to resurrect Jean Grey, Marvel Girl, for X-Factor in 1985-1986. Madelyne was written out so she would not compete as another Jean Grey. Madelyne was never intended to be a clone of Jean Grey, but she turned into a clone & turned evil as the Goblin Queen to make Scott's behavior--leaving his wife & kid for his dead ex-girlfriend in X-Factor #1--more palpable.

[Valeria Kementari]

Maddie is a contestant in the Battle for Mutant Female Supremacy!!!!!!!

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=13032894#post13032894

[ZNOP]

Maddie is a contestant in the Battle for Mutant Female Supremacy!!!!!!!

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=13032894#post13032894



I concur :smile:

[Darthfury78]

Madelyne Pryor was created to write Cyclops out of Uncanny X-Men so he could live "happily ever after." Scott would become an active X-Man only for emergencies. However, all changed when Marvel decided to resurrect Jean Grey, Marvel Girl, for X-Factor in 1985-1986. Madelyne was written out so she would not compete as another Jean Grey. Madelyne was never intended to be a clone of Jean Grey, but she turned into a clone & turned evil as the Goblin Queen to make Scott's behavior--leaving his wife & kid for his dead ex-girlfriend in X-Factor #1--more palpable.

The decision to bring back Jean Grey in the first place was what ruined for me as an reader of the X-Men. If they wanted Jean that badly, they should not have forced the Clarmont to kill her off. The writer's original plans for Jean, following the Phoenix Saga, could be found in the pages of Phoenix: The Untold Story. There, her Phoenix powers would no longer be a threat. Thus, we might have seen Scott x Jean written out of the story much sooner with their new born daughter Rachel. Because of Editorial meddling, Rachel Summers of Earth-616 never had the chance to be born.

[BLACKWINGS]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I never really had any qualms with most of the stuff that has been done with Madelyne Pryor. From the cloning of Jean Grey, to the Inferno, to her resurrection by Nate, and to the Sisterhood even - I've loved the majority of it all.

Even her relationship with Nate never bothered me. Pryor was a clone (not the actual Jean Grey), Nate was an experiment that combined Jean and Scott's DNA (more genetic donors than actual parents), and they are from completely different realities all together. I'm not saying its ideal, or even normal, but there were enough factors between them that I was able to distance them from one another and not really focus on it.

I was probably just more or less enamored over the idea of having Madelyne Pryor as a prominent character in the X-Men comics again. Many of my favorite issues and most memorable moments in the X-Man series involved his genetic shareholders - Madelyne Pryor, Jean Grey, Cable.

[ZNOP]

The decision to bring back Jean Grey in the first place was what ruined for me as an reader of the X-Men. If they wanted Jean that badly, they should not have forced the Clarmont to kill her off. The writer's original plans for Jean, following the Phoenix Saga, could be found in the pages of Phoenix: The Untold Story. There, her Phoenix powers would no longer be a threat. Thus, we might have seen Scott x Jean written out of the story much sooner with their new born daughter Rachel. Because of Editorial meddling, Rachel Summers of Earth-616 never had the chance to be born.

Looking back at the flippant regard for time/space in the M.U. There still no reason why Rachel can't be born... DoFP I/II (and, if necessary DoFT - Ahab's in this issue.) isn't set in stone. Jean can still give birth to Rachel, or something can cause The X-Men (or another person or group) to go back in time and kill Xorneto (or further if necessary) before the event(s) even happen(s). Marvel IS funny that way... I'm just saying :cool:

[Arejaye]

I liked her best when she was just a human, non powered ally. I hated Inferno mostly cause I was peeved she had gained super powers. She could've just known too much about Sinister or w/e. The clone thing left me cold. I liked her before that.

I disagree with the word 'ally'. Madelyne was an X-Man. Re-read Uncanny #223 and 227. Sure she never got a cover saying "Welcome to the X-Men...Hope You Survive the Experience", but neither did Longshot, or Psylocke, or Dazzler...or really, anyone other than Rogue, Kitty Pryde, or Havok. I know that Marvel has never listed her as an actual X-Man in any of their team rosters, but it's pretty clear she was part of the team, just like we all pretty much know that Chewbacca played a part in the destruction of the Death Star, but the Rebel Alliance only had two medals sitting around...

[witchboy]

I love Maddie and want her to be back with a prominant place in the MU.
I liked Maddie and Nate's twisted relationship.

[Zomling]

For me the best use of Madelyne was just prior to Inferno when she was with the X-Men in Australia.

My personal favourite storyline was the Genosha issue where she subconciously tapped into her powers and killed her interogators.

IIRC she also performed pretty well in the mutant masacre.

[EXCELSIOR 2.0]

She was amazing in Fall of the Mutants, what a woman. I miss her so.

[everydayoccasion]

So, I'm probably in the minority here, but I just adore Maddy. In addition to being a really cool villain, I find that, as a character she's one of the most interesting and (at times) real members of the X Universe. Now, as there are several incarnations of the character, I think I should give you my thoughts on what I feel like are the three stages of the character.

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Her beginning (which I personally prefer) was the 'one in a million shot'. The girl who just so happened to look just like Jean Grey. As a younger reader, exploring these issues already knowing their end result, I find myself pining for a different kind of story for Maddy. The idea of a human woman so wrapped up in the X Universe has so much potential. Now, I know that this story was tapped into, but I feel like so much more could have been done. Below I'm going to post a quote from Chris Claremont stating his feelings on the character and the way he felt about how everything turned out. I think they pretty much sum up the way I feel about it as well.


The original Madelyne storyline was that, at its simplest level, she was that one in a million shot that just happened to look like Jean Grey, [a.k.a. the first Phoenix]! And the relationship was summed up by the moment when Scott says: "Are you Jean?" And she punches him! That was in Uncanny X-Men #174. Because her whole desire was to be loved for herself not to be loved as the evocation of her boyfriend's dead sweetheart.

I mean, it's a classical theme. You can go back to a whole host of 1930s films, 1940s, Hitchcock films—but it all got invalidated by the resurrection of Jean Grey in X-Factor #1. The original plotline was that Scott marries Madelyne, they have their child, they go off to Alaska, he goes to work for his grandparents, he retires from the X-Men. He's a reserve member. He's available for emergencies. He comes back on special occasions, for special fights, but he has a life. He has grown up. He has grown out of the monastery; he is in the real world now. He has a child. He has maybe more than one child. It's a metaphor for us all. We all grow up. We all move on.

Scott was going to move on. Jean was dead get on with your life. And it was close to be a happy ending. They lived happily ever after, and it was to create the impression that maybe if you came back in ten years, other X-Men would have grown up and out, too. Would Kitty stay with the team forever? Would Nightcrawler? Would any of them? Because that way we could evolve them into new directions, we could bring in new characters. There would be an ongoing sense of renewal, and growth and change in a positive sense.

Then, unfortunately, Jean was resurrected, Scott dumps his wife and kid and goes back to the old girlfriend. So it not only destroys Scott's character as a hero and as a decent human being it creates an untenable structural situation: what do we do with Madelyne and the kid? ... So ultimately the resolution was: turn her into the Goblin Queen and kill her off.[6]

Later I'll post something about the later stages of Maddy's evolution (The Goblyn Queen, and Red Queen). So let's start a discussion about who I think is a pretty interesting part of X lore. If there's already a thread about this, I apologize.

[Kerukun878]

If I'm not mistaken there's already a Madelyne Pryor appreciation thread.

[Rasputin9977]

Ah Maddie Pryor. Is there any other character in comics who has slept with her husband, her brother in law and her alternate reality son?

[Fierypassion]

I want her back..with or without powers. And as a hero. They never had to shaft her bc of Jean (the two can co-exist..since technically they were doing so already) and at this point it makes all the sense in the world for her to be redeemed.

[Papa Moai]

My personal favourite storyline was the Genosha issue where she subconciously tapped into her powers and killed her interogators.The foreshadowing that preceded Inferno was awesome.


I want her back..with or without powers. And as a hero. They never had to shaft her bc of Jean (the two can co-exist..since technically they were doing so already) and at this point it makes all the sense in the world for her to be redeemed.As much as I like Maddie, I can't help but feel that she was very much a character of a specific period. She was great largely because she was written by Claremont back when Claremont was still at the top of his game. And I fear her return would be a disappointment.

[MartinRedmond]

My personal favourite storyline was the Genosha issue where she subconciously tapped into her powers and killed her interogators.

I thought that was protection as part of her demonic pact in UXM #234.

[sunofdarkchild]

Maddie was awesome back in the day. It seems to me like Clamremont was forced to misuse many of his best characters in the late 80s and early 90s by the powers that be.

Making Maddie a clone then turning her evil because Jean Grey was back, Magneto turning evil again for no good reason. The stories were good, but they lacked the logical flow of character development Claremont was great with and were clearly not what he was intending.

I hate when Marvel marriages turn out to be fake. It happened with Maddie, it happened with the Human Torch, and now it happened with Spider-Man.

[ZNOP]

Maddie was awesome back in the day. It seems to me like Clamremont was forced to misuse many of his best characters in the late 80s and early 90s by the powers that be.

Making Maddie a clone then turning her evil because Jean Grey was back, Magneto turning evil again for no good reason. The stories were good, but they lacked the logical flow of character development Claremont was great with and were clearly not what he was intending.

I hate when Marvel marriages turn out to be fake. It happened with Maddie, it happened with the Human Torch, and now it happened with Spider-Man.


What makes you say Maddie's marriage was fake?

[Fierypassion]

As much as I like Maddie, I can't help but feel that she was very much a character of a specific period. She was great largely because she was written by Claremont back when Claremont was still at the top of his game. And I fear her return would be a disappointment.

I fear the same thing but I still think a good writer with...a non-cliched agenda can do something for her.

[sunofdarkchild]

What makes you say Maddie's marriage was fake?

The fact that Scott married his image of Jean rather than the woman in front of him and ran off the moment he heard Jean was back.

I really hate Cyclops.

[The_Greatest_Username]

I love this character and all her stories. I'd like to see her back for the long-term as a hero or villain as long she's written well.

[JeanGreyForever]

I've always liked Maddie although I've always considered her to be the same person as Jean Grey, like the Phoenix is. I would love to see both Maddie and Jean come back one day and have their drama with each other.

[otipep_90]

I've always liked Maddie although I've always considered her to be the same person as Jean Grey, like the Phoenix is. I would love to see both Maddie and Jean come back one day and have their drama with each other.

Thats exactly how I feel. Maddie was always a part of Jean, a fragment if you will, that was created as a result of Jean's inexperience as a phoenix and the Sinister's meddling. To me she is litterally the continuation of the Jean's Phoenix persona, the one that was born from her ascension into a phoenix avatar. She is the split personality of Jean, the same one that turned into Dark Phoenix, which is why Maddie was so easily susceptible in turing into the Goblyn Queen. Madelyne was a Jean/Phoenix fragment who in the end became her own person just as much as Legion's Moira persona did, thanks to the body Mr. Sinister had created.

She would make an excellent foil to Cyclops, to bad her Sisterhood didn't last long.

[JeanGreyForever]

Like you said I believe Maddie is a Jean fragment who has become her own person or at least tried to. That is why she and Jean have never had peace because neither wants to accept that they are the same. Maddie's ultimate downfall is that she refused to accept that she was Jean as she wanted so hard to be her own person. There is a reason that Maddie wants everything that Jean has, her love with Scott, her place on the X-Men, etc. They have the same desires because Maddie is a Jean/Phoenix fragment. Her very mind was formed from fragments of Jean's mind. When Jean returned, Maddie wanted to eliminate her and retake her spot but unfortunately for her Jean was the whole (or mostly) while Maddie the piece.

At the end of Inferno when Maddie is dead, Jean refers to Maddie as one of her incarnations. I was reading X-Man 25 today and even Maddie says that she and Jean are the same, just like in Endsong where Jean said she and Phoenix are the same. Maddie also remarked on how she is the darker side of Jean which Jean refuses to face. In X-Men The End Maddie revealed to Jean that she was the part of Jean that loved Scott with all of her heart. However both were to afraid to admit that they were the same which is why everything failed. Finally both women accept each other as the same person and Jean reabsorbs Maddie and becomes whole.

[Fierypassion]

Maddie is her own woman. If anything she is Jean's twin, but I respect your opinions.

If anything and we have to have Maddie be only being a shard of Jean then I want her speak to Jean (in a non-antagonist manner) ala the Golden Phoenix women, but Maddie should be Maddie. The Phoenix gave her life and it was varied and unique from Jean. For me even if she is a shard or a piece, she bloomed into a person....I'm way too into other clones to say that she didn't at least bloom into her own life.

Oh about Endsong, didn't all of the dead characters become pieces of Phoenix?

[Anodyne]

I disagree with the word 'ally'. Madelyne was an X-Man. Re-read Uncanny #223 and 227. Sure she never got a cover saying "Welcome to the X-Men...Hope You Survive the Experience", but neither did Longshot, or Psylocke, or Dazzler...or really, anyone other than Rogue, Kitty Pryde, or Havok. I know that Marvel has never listed her as an actual X-Man in any of their team rosters, but it's pretty clear she was part of the team,....
Madelyne was certainly part of the team, but she never presumed to call herself an X-Man. When she was designing a symbol for them, she thought of a star with "eight points for eight X-Men": Storm, Havok, Wolverine, Rogue, Dazzler, Longshot, Colossus, and Psylocke. If Maddie had counted herself, she would have been the ninth X-Man.

I love Maddie and want her to be back with a prominant place in the MU.

I liked Maddie and Nate's twisted relationship.
How many of the twists in Maddie and Nate's relationship were in the writers' intent and how many in fanboys' imaginations? Too many of us on this forum perceive evil where none is intended. Glenn Greenberg once described Maddie's intended relationship to Nate Grey as "part big sister, part gadfly, part demon on his shoulder."

I want her back..with or without powers. And as a hero. They never had to shaft her bc of Jean (the two can co-exist..since technically they were doing so already) and at this point it makes all the sense in the world for her to be redeemed.
Much as I hate to admit it, restoring Madelyne to pure heroic status would feel as phony as he Phoenix Force retcon that brought back Jean Grey. I'd like to see her portrayed as a scarred soul, who has worked through her anger and come to realize that her true enemy is the darkness within herself. Let Madelyne Pryor fight the Goblin Queen, over and over if need be, regaining a piece of her soul with every skirmish won. The very fact that she's survived the death of her body proves she has a soul, because that's what a soul is. Or rather, to paraphrase C.S. Lewis, she doesn't have a soul, she is a soul. She had a body.

As much as I like Maddie, I can't help but feel that she was very much a character of a specific period. She was great largely because she was written by Claremont back when Claremont was still at the top of his game. And I fear her return would be a disappointment.
It already has been. And if Madelyne doesn't fit in current continuity, then there's no excuse for not giving her a heroic final exit.

Maddie was awesome back in the day. It seems to me like Clamremont was forced to misuse many of his best characters in the late 80s and early 90s by the powers that be.

Making Maddie a clone then turning her evil because Jean Grey was back, Magneto turning evil again for no good reason. The stories were good, but they lacked the logical flow of character development Claremont was great with and were clearly not what he was intending.

I hate when Marvel marriages turn out to be fake. It happened with Maddie, it happened with the Human Torch, and now it happened with Spider-Man.


I fear the same thing but I still think a good writer with...a non-cliched agenda can do something for her.


I love this character and all her stories. I'd like to see her back for the long-term as a hero or villain as long she's written well.
How about a mixture of both, with her dark and bright sides constantly struggling for dominance? Real people aren't 100% good or 100% evil; why should fictional people be?

I've always liked Maddie although I've always considered her to be the same person as Jean Grey, like the Phoenix is. I would love to see both Maddie and Jean come back one day and have their drama with each other.
We all began life as fragments of our genetic donors. To me, Jean Grey's cells were only Maddie's starting point.

She is the split personality of Jean, the same one that turned into Dark Phoenix, which is why Maddie was so easily susceptible in turning into the Goblyn Queen. Madelyne was a Jean/Phoenix fragment who in the end became her own person....
I want a writer who'll focus less on where Maddie came from and more on what--and who--she became.

Like you said I believe Maddie is a Jean fragment who has become her own person or at least tried to. That is why she and Jean have never had peace because neither wants to accept that they are the same. Maddie's ultimate downfall is that she refused to accept that she was Jean as she wanted so hard to be her own person.
There is a reason that Maddie wants everything that Jean has, her love with Scott, her place on the X-Men, etc. They have the same desires because Maddie is a Jean/Phoenix fragment. Her very mind was formed from fragments of Jean's mind. When Jean returned, Maddie wanted to eliminate her and retake her spot but unfortunately for her Jean was the whole (or mostly) while Maddie the piece.
IMHO if Madelyne was less than whole, it was because Sinister rushed her body into physical maturity without giving her mind time to grow into mental maturity, with one day of experience for each day of growth.

At the end of Inferno when Maddie is dead, Jean refers to Maddie as one of her incarnations.
Of course it must have eased Jean's conscience to think of her rival as part of herself; that way she didn't need to face the fact that she and Scott had caused real pain to a real human being with real feelings.

I was reading X-Man 25 today and even Maddie says that she and Jean are the same, just like in Endsong where Jean said she and Phoenix are the same. Maddie also remarked on how she is the darker side of Jean which Jean refuses to face.
IOW Jean, refusing to accept her own dark side, foisted the Dark Phoenix on someone with no life experience and no parental guidance to help her deal with it.

In X-Men The End Maddie revealed to Jean that she was the part of Jean that loved Scott with all of her heart. However both were to afraid to admit that they were the same which is why everything failed. Finally both women accept each other as the same person and Jean reabsorbs Maddie and becomes whole.
The remerging of Jean and Madelyne was my only real disappointment with X-Men: The End. IMHO Maddie had earned the right to be her own woman. I console myself by recalling that Madelyne voluntarily relinquished her hard-earned individuality to save the man she loved.

Maddie is her own woman. If anything she is Jean's twin, but I respect your opinions.

If anything and we have to have Maddie be only being a shard of Jean then I want her speak to Jean (in a non-antagonist manner) ala the Golden Phoenix women, but Maddie should be Maddie. The Phoenix gave her life and it was varied and unique from Jean. For me even if she is a shard or a piece, she bloomed into a person....I'm way too into other clones to say that she didn't at least bloom into her own life.

Oh about Endsong, didn't all of the dead characters become pieces of Phoenix?
I thought they all became pieces of the Cabbalistic Tree of Life. And I heartily agree that Maddie bloomed. Putting her back inside Jean was like trying to stuff a grown person back into their mother's womb.

[The_Greatest_Username]

How about a mixture of both, with her dark and bright sides constantly struggling for dominance? Real people aren't 100% good or 100% evil; why should fictional people be?

It could work, but idk how long it'd last before she does something really "sinister" (for lack of a better word lol) and probably has to stay in the villainous role forever (unless it's retconned).

[Fierypassion]

Much as I hate to admit it, restoring Madelyne to pure heroic status would feel as phony as he Phoenix Force retcon that brought back Jean Grey. I'd like to see her portrayed as a scarred soul, who has worked through her anger and come to realize that her true enemy is the darkness within herself. Let Madelyne Pryor fight the Goblin Queen, over and over if need be, regaining a piece of her soul with every skirmish won. The very fact that she's survived the death of her body proves she has a soul, because that's what a soul is. Or rather, to paraphrase C.S. Lewis, she doesn't have a soul, she is a soul. She had a body.

How about a mixture of both, with her dark and bright sides constantly struggling for dominance? Real people aren't 100% good or 100% evil; why should fictional people be?


Actually, I hate the Force retcon and the forced consequences of Jean's, but not her return in and of itself. One returns so she has to be depowered and get back with her ex-hubby.....the other has to go evil and die then stay basically evil...is there some logic that I'm missing.

I'd like her to be good, but to me good has shadows of grey not 100% pure. I dislike her evil side outside of Inferno, which...like Dark Phoenix...dealt with issues that were building and should have consequences, but the actual events should be one time things not over done or referenced. I wouldn't want her to actually fight a Goblin Queen self to get her soul, but I would like the demon and the reasons for the demon to be part of her. Even an asset..making her a badass. Though I want her and Jean to make peace with one another.


I thought they all became pieces of the Cabbalistic Tree of Life. And I heartily agree tht Maddie bloomed. Putting her back inside Jean was like trying to stuff a grown person back into their mother's womb.

Basically, the retconned Force is life so... and the rest, I couldn't have said better.

[savagedoctor]

Hay Maddie, let's appreciate!

She was the hotness and had all the fire Jean Grey had but without all the scruples! Maddie has a special place in my heart.

...now bow down or she'll turn you into a nasty demon!

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/madelyne00.jpg

This is the Maddie I love.

[savagedoctor]

I'd have bit earlier, too had I noticed it. I love Maddie. I love Maddie almost as much, if not moreso, than I love Jean. But I love her as a villain, but not the way that she's been portrayed so far. I think she should remain a villain, but more of a sympathetic, gray villain. I don't like her being a raving lunatic villain. So, here's to hoping we get a new, and improved Maddy.

What you said. It is unfathomable bungling on the part of Marvel how they have mistreated this character. Bring her back a la Inferno, but tune down the craziness a couple of notches, make her a Magneto type villain/ally, written correctly she would kick ass.

[savagedoctor]

Inferno was really one of my favorite storylines. Especially how they were able to bring everything together.

I loved Inferno, especially the Claremont - Sylvestri issues. And the 8 part spiderman spin-offs :biggrin:

[Papa Moai]

The fact that Scott married his image of Jean rather than the woman in front of him and ran off the moment he heard Jean was back.

I really hate Cyclops.It was a horribly dysfunctional marriage, but I don't think that a same thing as "fake". It was a real marriage, just one that really shouldn't have happened.

[Anodyne]

It was a horribly dysfunctional marriage, but I don't think that a same thing as "fake". It was a real marriage, just one that really shouldn't have happened.
The marriage wasn't dysfunctional until the PTB decided to bring Jean back.

For me, it's about justice. Besmirching one person's character to excuse another's misdeeds is unjust, in fiction or reality. :mad: Saying it's old news reminds me of the saying, "Justice delayed is justice denied."

Maddie is much more than a wronged wife or a clone. Let her show horror and remorse for the Goblin Queen's actions, and move on. Let her rediscover her first love--flying planes. Let her be Anodyne again; if she has Jean's genes, those powers must have come from her, not a magic Firefountain. Let her find a new life in which Scott figures only as a bittersweet memory...after he apologizes and atones for what he did to her. :evilsmile:

When Madelyne was Anodyne, Scott observed that her new powers reflected "primal aspects" of her life and personality. I will not believe those parts of her are gone forever. Let her go forward as a scarred soul learning to heal herself. If she also kicks a little @$$, that's okay too. :cool:

[Kaiu Keiichi]

Necro powers, I summon thee!

For the fic writers, are there any relatively new-ishes peices of Madelyne fan fic that anyone's writing? I'm considering getting back into the game myself.

[keeper444]

let's hope that she will return some day, maybe when jean comes back will be a good oportunity. If shadow king can survive without a body she can also do it.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

The marriage wasn't dysfunctional until the PTB decided to bring Jean back.

For me, it's about justice. Besmirching one person's character to excuse another's misdeeds is unjust, in fiction or reality. :mad: Saying it's old news reminds me of the saying, "Justice delayed is justice denied."

Maddie is much more than a wronged wife or a clone. Let her show horror and remorse for the Goblin Queen's actions, and move on. Let her rediscover her first love--flying planes. Let her be Anodyne again; if she has Jean's genes, those powers must have come from her, not a magic Firefountain. Let her find a new life in which Scott figures only as a bittersweet memory...after he apologizes and atones for what he did to her. :evilsmile:

When Madelyne was Anodyne, Scott observed that her new powers reflected "primal aspects" of her life and personality. I will not believe those parts of her are gone forever. Let her go forward as a scarred soul learning to heal herself. If she also kicks a little @$$, that's okay too. :cool:

Thank U Anodyne for such a beautiful post.

[witchboy]

I don't think it would be that hard to believe that Sinister had a back up Jean clone on ice for Maddie to possess.
I think Maddie could be redeemed to be a grey character ( no pun intended). I'd be a lot more interested in seeing her make peace with Cable than rehashing her relationship with Scott.

[Kyle_Ion]

Hay Maddie, let's appreciate!

She was the hotness and had all the fire Jean Grey had but without all the scruples! Maddie has a special place in my heart.

...now bow down or she'll turn you into a nasty demon!

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/madelyne00.jpg

This is the the madelyne with the outfit that I like. What issue or story was this in.

[witchboy]

That looks like Marc Silvestri. Almost have to be from the Inferno saga, but that's pretty much a gimme.

[GreyStar]

Ah Maddie Pryor. Is there any other character in comics who has slept with her husband, her brother in law and her alternate reality son?

LOL! She is a big Summers family's fan... Did she get from Sinister?

[Foon4000]

I loved Maddie. She was so stylish and pretty and flew planes.

[Ingonyama]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Ingonyama/RIGHTCROSSBITCH.jpg

This is the Madelyne Pryor I love. Not just because of who she was punching out (though retrospectively he really, really deserves that), but because of why. She is not, nor has she ever been, Jean Grey, and trying to pass her off as an ersatz Phoenix (or Dark Phoenix) is just not going to fly (ha ha).

Anodyne and I have very similar views on Madelyne's character. ^_^ I feel she's got a lot of potential to be a major player for good, if the writers would just let her get past the black magic and Scott baggage. Or even just the Scott baggage; black magic has been successfully incorporated into heroic characters many times before.

Also, a treat for you all: a gift wallpaper, made for me and my boyfriend as part of a (now-defunct) AU RP, where he played an Anodyne-like Madelyne (pictured) under the tutelage of my Dr. Stange:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Ingonyama/Forum%20stuffs/macsterwallpaper.jpg

[Foon4000]

Maddie and Scott's house in Alaska was stylishly minimal.

I love Jean, but it's really sad she had to come back and crap on Maddie's parade. Cable gets his good bits from her.

[Ingonyama]

I think the problem wasn't that Jean came back...

...it's that, like Madelyne herself, writers don't know what to do with her character,. So they tie in the Phoenix, and they tie in Scott, and they call it a day.

This is all MHO of course, but when she came back in 1986 or so, I think everyone just naturally assumed she'd get back with Scott. The PTB tried to milk it of course, but after Inferno there was really no reason not to bring back the old Status Quo.

It's the same reason, IMHO, that Marvel's been so hesitant to bring her back now...that fixation on two elements of her character that exclude all other avenues of character development would hamper all the progress she could make as a character without her attachment to Scott.

Obviously, I am not friends with this concept any more than I am all the travesties our girl Madelyne's been through.

[Thirteen]

You forgot to include MUTANT X Maddie...I like her lots too, quite.

Mutant X Maddie...we appreciate you and your fast track to the darkside
Wasn't her former alias in that timeline something like "Marvel Woman"?

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[Seccruz]

Marvel Woman was indeed her original codename, before going all Goblin Queen-y...

[FirestormTheNuclearMan]

Marvel Woman was indeed her original codename, before going all Goblin Queen-y...

Does she have any hostility to Mister Sinister knowing she was being used?

So When her codename was changed to Goblin Queen did she start wearing this costume, and was it changed because he commands these goblins?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061025151934/marveldatabase/images/thumb/2/2e/Madelyne_Pryor_(Earth-616).jpg/250px-Madelyne_Pryor_(Earth-616).jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/3480934762_ae52492a21.jpg

[TheCatBastet]

Marvel Woman was the code name of Maddie from the Mutant X reality, not 616. She wore the costume shown in the images provided by Thirteen.

And 616 Maddie was definitely hostile to Sinister after he revealed that she was a clone he had created just to get a child from Scott. Before their encounter, she had inadvertently come under the influence of a demon. As a result of that she seemed to gain black magical abilities. The Goblin Queen title related to her involvement with demons, and had nothing to do with Sinister.

[Anodyne]

Mutant X Maddie...we appreciate you and your fast track to the darkside.
At least MX Maddie became the Goblin Queen to rescue little Scotty, not kill him. Bondage to the Goblin Force was the price she paid to save her kidnapped son--and the world--from the Demons S'Ym and N'Astirh. I only wish Mackie had let us see this happening, instead of merely telling us in the S.H.I.E.L.D. Files at the end of the early issue(s). And even as the Goblin Queen, MX Maddie was fiercely protective of her son.

Does she have any hostility to Mister Sinister knowing she was being used?
Remind me: Did Mr. Sinister actually appear in Mutant X? IIRC, the S.H.I.E.L.D. Files stated that Madelyne was rumored to be a clone of Jean Grey; was that ever confirmed on-panel?

So When her codename was changed to Goblin Queen did she start wearing this costume, and was it changed because she commands these goblins?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061025151934/marveldatabase/images/thumb/2/2e/Madelyne_Pryor_(Earth-616).jpg/250px-Madelyne_Pryor_(Earth-616).jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/3480934762_ae52492a21.jpg

I'm not sure about the first picture, but I'm pretty sure the second is from Claremont's X-Men: The End, not Mutant X.

[Thirteen]

I'm not sure about the first picture, but I'm pretty sure the second is from Claremont's X-Men: The End, not Mutant X.

Confirmed. "The End" Maddie vs "Mutant X" Maddie:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3664/174790-18843-113702-1-x-men-the-end_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/18843-113702-1-x-men-the-end/105-174790/) http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/40486-6217-45621-1-mutant-x_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/6217-45621-1-mutant-x/105-40486/)

[Seccruz]

Remind me: Did Mr. Sinister actually appear in Mutant X? IIRC, the S.H.I.E.L.D. Files stated that Madelyne was rumored to be a clone of Jean Grey; was that ever confirmed on-panel?


He did, he was buddies with Shadow King tainted Xavier. He did confirm that he created Maddie with the same purpose 616 Sinister did (to produce offspring with a Summers, in Mutant X being Havok). He was killed by Xavier.

[Gracie Branch]

I can't believe they let Sebastian Shaw have sex with her. Wild. And even wilder is that by having sex with her, he's basically "experienced" Jean Grey without ever touching her.

[Anodyne]

I can't believe they let Sebastian Shaw have sex with her. Wild. And even wilder is that by having sex with her, he's basically "experienced" Jean Grey without ever touching her.
No he has not, and I am getting very tired of seeing this. Madelyne and Jean may look alike, but they are two very different persons. They are not interchangeable. And Maddie went to Shaw's bed when she felt Nate Grey had let her down. She later (X-Man #30) called the Hellfire Club her refuge from Zero Tolerance.

[Enchantress]

No he has not, and I am getting very tired of seeing this. Madelyne and Jean may look alike, but they are two very different persons. They are not interchangeable. And Maddie went to Shaw's bed when she felt Nate Grey had let her down. She later (X-Man #30) called the Hellfire Club her refuge from Zero Tolerance.

But they are genetically the same, that's what a clone is. Jean and Scott's DNA and Madelyne and Scott's bebeh both produced a Nate who is the same person, same powers, only they have completely different lives and personality's (Much like Maddy and Jean). So while she might not have Jean Grey's bubbly personality, she does share her vagina.

Also, Maddy abandoned Nate to run off with Selene.

Personally I loved Maddy's slow descent into madness. That issue where Madelyne dreams of a Jean mannequin stealing first her physical attributes and then her life was really powerful. It's also kind of ironic since that's kind of what Maddy did to Jean too - obviously without the intent, but she still usurped Jean's life.

[TheCatBastet]

But they are genetically the same, that's what a clone is.

That's also what an identical twin is. Would you say that a person who had sex with one identical twin also had sex with the other 'without touching' them?

[Enchantress]

That's also what an identical twin is. Would you say that a person who had sex with one identical twin also had sex with the other 'without touching' them?

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same, as they've obviously had different life and sexual experiences. But unless one get's a whole bunch of HPV, or starts riding traffic cones, there isn't going to be much physical difference between the two vageens.

[Ingonyama]

Personally I loved Maddy's slow descent into madness. That issue where Madelyne dreams of a Jean mannequin stealing first her physical attributes and then her life was really powerful. It's also kind of ironic since that's kind of what Maddy did to Jean too - obviously without the intent, but she still usurped Jean's life.

There are lots of reasons why I understood Lynne going Goblyn Queen the first time, and even rooted for her a little (even though child killing is wrong, mmkay?). That dream sequence was one of them.

Madelyne did take the spot in Jean's life that Jean was meant to have. But Jean, through no fault of her own, wasn't around to take it, either because she was Phoenix and dead (my personal preferred take) or because she was recuperating in Jamaica Bay (less wild about this theory, though Marvel likes it better).

There are a million ways Marvel could have handled Scott choosing between his life with Madelyne and his dream with Jean. I always felt they chose the worst possible outcome...it's almost too bad to be an accident.

[Anodyne]

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same, as they've obviously had different life and sexual experiences. But unless one get's a whole bunch of HPV, or starts riding traffic cones, there isn't going to be much physical difference between the two vageens.
:mad: If the vagina is all that matters to a man, there are artificial ones available. If he cares about the whole woman, he won't treat her as interchangeable.


Madelyne did take the spot in Jean's life that Jean was meant to have.

She didn't take Jean's role, it was forced upon her by a corrupted Phoenix. :evilangry: Jean didn't want it, so Lynne got stuck with it.

Even if Claremont created Madelyne to be a Jean replacement, he gave her her own personality; if only he'd given her her own face. :frown: He could have revealed that her resemblance to Jean was an illusion cast by Mastermind.

[Enchantress]

We're talking about Sebastian Shaw here. He obviously saw her as Jean 2.0 in all aspects.

And Maddy owes her life to that corrupted phoenix force. If it wasn't for the force, she'd still be peaced out in Sinisters garage or W/E.

I can't see Marvel redeeming her ever, because Jean Grey is renouned for her strong morals and ethics, and her positive character traits. Changing that about her won't happen. Maddy is the dark side of Jean Grey, and they can explore stories with her they can't with Jean.

[afropolo]

We're talking about Sebastian Shaw here. He obviously saw her as Jean 2.0 in all aspects.

And Maddy owes her life to that corrupted phoenix force. If it wasn't for the force, she'd still be peaced out in Sinisters garage or W/E.

I can't see Marvel redeeming her ever, because Jean Grey is renouned for her strong morals and ethics, and her positive character traits. Changing that about her won't happen. Maddy is the dark side of Jean Grey, and they can explore stories with her they can't with Jean.

Damn Skippy!! Maddie is a powerhouse of darkness. The combination of corrupt phoenix cooties and being sired by Sinister guarantees that. Oh Marvel and their women!! The refusal to develop her character made the whole "Red Queen" story arc seem mundane. I had a hard time accepting her bossing Spiral (a baaaaaaaaaaad bitch!!) around because it just felt like they should be in opposite roles. Based solely on her long absence in the current continuity in comparison to Spiral's relative visibility. Power-wise, only Amora, Selene, Umar, Morgan Lefaye, Karnilla, and Nebula (she was GOD for a sec!!) best Maddie in the insanely powerful diabolical villainess category. She was used by men, but Maddie was ultimately unleashed as a force in her own right.

[Ingonyama]

I think Sisterhood's Red Queen wasn't even a Madelyne at all, just pretending to be.

Side note: I created an Exiles Maddie that people may be interested in:

SURVIVOR: The sole survivor of a plane crash that killed hundreds, Madelyne Pryor was a charter pilot for White Star Airlines in Anchorage, Alaska, before she met and fell in love with a man named Scott Summers. After a whirlwind courtship where she met his friends the X-Men, Scott popped the question, but not before asking Madelyne point-blank if she was the reincarnation of his dead girlfriend. Responding in the only appropriate fashion...a right cross to the jaw...Madelyne fled, directly into a trap set by Mastermind. Panicking at this, her latent powers of telepathy and telekinesis flared to life, slaughtering Wyngarde in an adrenaline-fueled burst of rage, but also proving her worst nightmares true. Now she's in the Panoptichron, not only cut adrift from her world, but without any real ties to her own life, seeking any way to escape the awful revelation that everything she knew to be true about herself is a lie. But the one thing she knows is that, regardless of what fate befalls her, she will endure, as she always has before.

[Venomous Mask]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Ingonyama/RIGHTCROSSBITCH.jpg

Awesome scene. Scott deserved this completely (and so much more).

I think Maddy needs to be made into something of an anti-hero. Still grim and jaded and lacking much of Jean's moral compass, but wanting to do good and make up for her past crimes. I think a possible idea would be to put her in an all-female vigilante group that would consist of her, X-23, Scorn, Scream, and another hard-edged female character (anyone got any ideas?).

[Ingonyama]

Polaris. :)

I love this idea, honestly. Madelyne's been hurt so badly in the past, pushed so far over the edge, that coming back shouldn't be easy. But I still think it should happen.

[Venomous Mask]

Polaris would make a good fit. If done right, it could very much fill the gap in female superhero books that Marvel has, keep X-23 and Scorn from falling into oblivion, and resuscitate Scream in a non-cliched manner. As for Maddy, she should be powerful, but maybe her powers should be streamlined more; I feel that she's been too erratic with them over the years.

That picture of her punching Cyclops surprised me. I didn't know at the time that she had the strength to knock out a senior X-Man.

[Ingonyama]

Scott wasn't particularly tough when it came to hand-to-hand at that time. He doesn't take much in the way of physical punishment as a rule.

[Venomous Mask]

http://www.rulesofrule.nl/images/goblynqueen.jpg

[Ingonyama]

I'm reminded of Death Becomes Her.

Honestly, I still think blaming Jean Grey is unworthy of Madelyne. The blame belongs with Scott, Mr. Sinister, and N'Astirh.

Does anyone else want to see Madelyne TOTALLY FREAKING PWN Sinister some time?

[Venomous Mask]

It's a long running trope for villains to blame all the wrong people for their problems. Heck, from what some of his rogues' gallery blamed him of, you'd think Spiderman was the Anti-Christ.

[GambitXRemy]

I would really like hope to be maddie...... it would be so f-up the summers family line haha

[ZNOP]

I would really like hope to be maddie...... it would be so f-up the summers family line haha

Even if she was... Just how would it affect the Summers' family line again?:confused:?

[Venomous Mask]

It's not yet finished yet, but a great statue of Ms. Pryor as the Goblin Queen is being crafted by this guy:
http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=49255&page=9

[ZNOP]

Rereading the questions of the poll... I started thinking about the fact that Mastermind did trick Maddie in to thinking she was Dark Phoenix (which wasn't far from the truth) for a stretch... But, if no else at the time thought that Maddie was the mirror reflection of Jean why did he? I mean besides the obvious -- why her and not another X-Man/Woman

[Anodyne]

I would really like hope to be maddie...... it would be so f-up the summers family line haha


Even if she was... Just how would it affect the Summers' family line again?:confused:?
Maybe not the genealogy itself, but I daresay Scott would be a bit disconcerted to learn that the wife he abandoned had become mutantkind's hope for salvation :eek:; and I wonder how Cable would react to the news that he'd raised his own mother. :tongue:

Rereading the questions of the poll... I started thinking about the fact that Mastermind did trick Maddie in to thinking she was Dark Phoenix (which wasn't far from the truth) for a stretch... But, if no else at the time thought that Maddie was the mirror reflection of Jean why did he? I mean besides the obvious -- why her and not another X-Man/Woman
Mastermind didn't convince Madelyne that she was Dark Phoenix; he convinced the X-Men. IIRC, at one point he said he would have created the illusion no matter what Scott's new love interest looked like; her actual resemblance to Jean was a bonus.

[Ingonyama]

Maybe not the genealogy itself, but I daresay Scott would be a bit disconcerted to learn that the wife he abandoned had become mutantkind's hope for salvation :eek:; and I wonder how Cable would react to the news that he'd raised his own mother. :tongue:

Sounds like just another Tuesday tangle in the Summers family tree. That said, it'd still be a fun read.


Mesmero didn't convince Madelyne that she was Dark Phoenix; he convinced the X-Men. IIRC, at one point he said he would have created the illusion no matter what Scott's new love interest looked like; her actual resemblance to Jean was a bonus.

This is true, and adds an extra bit of angst for the poor girl. The plan would have come off no matter who it was...if Scott had taken a shine to Storm, we might have seen Ororo in the Dark Phoenix getup during "From The Ashes." Same for Lee Forrester or Rogue or Carol Danvers (not that those last two are terribly likely, just using them as an example, although Binary was getting pretty darn Phoenix-like during the Brood saga).

However, Mastermind's treatment of Madelyne in this story is a strong point of contention for me. His blind judgment of her because of who she looked like was treated as an abhorrence of his behavior, an unhealthy fixation to mirror Scott's...except where he couldn't get past his prejudices and was battered to a near-pulp for them, Scott was supposed to get over his...that whole "I'm glad she isn't you" speech at Jean's Bard College grave was supposed to establish his new status quo.

The irony is that Madelyne's mistreatment by Wyngarde actually became her status quo, but only years after the fact. During the Asgardian Wars, the Secret Wars, Scott's fight with Storm for leadership, all that time she was treated as a woman separate from Jean Grey. It was only when Jean herself was brought back by editorial mandate that poor Lynne's life went to hell.

[steve2275]

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[Kaiu Keiichi]

So, no coverage of the Hellfire Cult storyline from a while back? I prefer X-Man Madelyne to most incarnations, but let's discuss!

[Anodyne]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/mps42.jpg

Beyond HOT!
Now THAT'S a costume.
And she doesn't even need to expose much skin.


Does anyone else want to see Madelyne TOTALLY FREAKING PWN Sinister some time?
YES!

So, no coverage of the Hellfire Cult storyline from a while back? I prefer X-Man Madelyne to most incarnations, but let's discuss!
Remind me: Was that the storyline with the five "Madelyne" clones or the one with the Red Queen--who IMHO was at most a twisted caricature of the true Madelyne?

[swimmerdude]

And she doesn't even need to expose much skin.

YES!

Remind me: Was that the storyline with the five "Madelyne" clones or the one with the Red Queen--who IMHO was at most a twisted caricature of the true Madelyne?

The Hellfire Cult was the story of the Red Queen, the last appearance of Madelyne. Sinister created six new Jean Grey clones he named Madelyne Pryor. They got destroyed by the Phoenix force, but depending on how you read the story Madelyne 4 may have escaped. If that's the case I wonder did the Red Queen find a new home (Madelyne 4)?

Its a shame that after the introduction of so many abandoned, underused, or dead female characters (along with more women writers, artists, and editors) that Marvel still doesn't use Madelyne. Even Spiral is joining X-Force. With both Jean and Rachel as X-Men I don't see Maddie joining the X-Men, but if they did good villain stories with her I would be happy.

[Marvelboy1974]

I never got a chance to read about this MAdelyne 4. So is it true that one of the new Madelyne Clones survived after all? I know it isn't the original Maddie, but I would love this to be a way to bring back her character back to some degree. What material can you recommend to read that shows this information on Madelyne 4?

[Babyhater666]

hawhaaaat?

Where am I?? WHATS GOING ON!!!!!

[swimmerdude]

I never got a chance to read about this MAdelyne 4. So is it true that one of the new Madelyne Clones survived after all? I know it isn't the original Maddie, but I would love this to be a way to bring back her character back to some degree. What material can you recommend to read that shows this information on Madelyne 4?

It was in the AvX crossover issues of Uncanny X-Men. Basically, it seems to imply that Maddie 4 escape. She had an energy fluctation in her, while the other Maddies clearly exploded. Since then we see how Sinister escaped (wearing the form of Kate Kildare) but we've not seen Maddie 4. So we'll see if there are plans for her.