Give Punisher MAX a Rogue's Gallery

[HulkSmash666]

Certain villains in the MU could fit nicely into a Punisher MAX storyline, and I was wondering which villains would you like Frank to run up against if they were to recieve the MAX treatment?

My suggestions:

Bullseye- If Bullseye was in a MAX comic, I would buy it, without question. Just the words Bullseye MAX has me reaching for my wallet. Can you imagine seeing the carnage someone like Bullseye could cause in Frank's MAX world? All kinds of sick and demented ways Bullseye can kill people could be showcased by a writer with enough imagination.
I'd love to see a story featuring Bullseye being hired by some crooked general in the US Army, but first Bullseye has to escape from jail, which would be something to see.
Then it's a relentless pursuit by Bullseye as he tracks Frank down throughout the city. Frank gets wind of some crazy assassin who's after him, leaving a massive trail of bodies in his wake. Frank starts to hunt down the psycho, and the two are set on a collision course in downtown New York.

Cue mayhem and bloodshed.


Taskmaster- It would be cool to see Frank go up against someone who so completely outclasses him in almost every way imaginable. Frank's only advantage is his ability to absorb punishment, and his indominatble will, where as Taskmaster is known to retreat once he realizes he could lose a fight.

Frank would be trying everything he can to NOT get into a fight with Taskmaster, which would be something he isn't all that used to, and it would be cool to see TM's reaction and suprise at Frank's tenacity and resourcfulness in staying ahead of TM, and the pay off would be TM realizing his mistake when he finally corners an extremelly pissed off Punisher.

His superhero skills that he's picked up would have to be toned down, but you could still make him work.
Instead of having all the superhero fighting abilities, just make it normal, real world skills.
He'd be an olympic class athlete in every event, including boxing, weightlifting, swimming, athletics, judo, archery, target shooting, high jump, long jump, pole vault, gymnastics etc.
He'd also be a world class martial artist, with mastery over every style known to man. He's also world-class in practically every form of military training known today.
TM's also armed with an assortment of firearms, knives and a sword, plus explosives and a utility belt containing high-tensile cable and grappling hook, plus a disguise kit.

He'd be cool, cause Frank would encounter him initially, and Frank would get his arse kicked. Then Frank is on the run from someone who can mimic anyone he see's, and wears disguises so Frank doesn't know who he is each time they meet.
So Frank is running from someone who he can't beat in a fight, and can't shake off his tail as TM is just too good, and Frank can't mount a counterstrike against as he has no idea what the guy looks like, as he changes disguises each time they fight.

Zaran the Weapons Master- A specialist hired by the Triads, Zaran is the epitomy of professional assassin, though with a flare for the theatrical, given his desire to use ancient martial arts weapons rather than firearms, which he considers unworthy of the "art of killing". The thing is, he's so damn good, he doesn't need firearms, as he would display whilst dispatching a rival Triad bosses personal army, all in spectacluar fashion worthy of a Hong Kong kung-fu movie.
With military precision, Zaran announces his arrival into the MAX universe by single handedly infiltrating and eliminating an entire building's worth of Triad soldiers.
Sniping snipers with arrows; taking out perimeter guards with blowdarts; using poison/drugs to make guards open voice activated doors etc; clearing corridors full of men with his spear, swords, throwing knives and martial arts, and then pulling off a crazy, near superhumanly skilled kill on the head honcho of the building and escaping into the night.


Machete- I see a good, hard, bloody fight between these two. Machete is a world class killer, and an expert in a knife fight. But so is Frank. The Latin American gangs that flourish in LA have untied after a series of horrific losses at the Punisher's hands, and have collectively hired Machete to take out Castle. It would be awesome to see Machete handled in a MAX title. Some hardcore Latino mercenary, feared throughout Central America and Mexico as the Cartel's number one hitman and enforcer, who has a thing for hacking people into chunks with his twin machetes.
Cue cool scenes of Machete butchering gangbangers and rival drug cartels in bloodfueled orgies of flying body parts and blood-curdling screams. Also torture scenes where Machete lops various body parts off of people in order to extract information on his targets.


Typhoid Mary- I'm not talking about the pyro-kinetic/super-powered Mary, but the completely insane, schitzophrenic/multiple-personality-disorder Mary. The one who hates men and loves to kill them in painfully brutal ways.

One minute she's this cute, timid, yet strangely alluring beauty, with men falling for her every where she goes.

The next minute? Picture the creepiest goth/emo chick you've seen, add some Joker insanity/zaneiness, give her skills comparible to Bullseye and Elektra with a few bladed weapons to boot, and top it all off with a complete mad-on for the male species, and you got one scary bitch.

You go to bed with Mary, and wake up with Typhoid holding your severed nuts in her hand and straight-razor on your throat.

She could play the innocent victim to a random mugging the Punisher comes across (engineered by her of course), pretending to need rescuing, and Frank takes her to a safehouse until she recovers. Things heat up. Frank gets his freak on. They go to sleep.

Frank wakes up to Typhoid stabbing him, and then it's a game of cat and mouse, as the crazy as bat-shit Typhoid hunts down a wounded, unarmed and naked Punisher.




Anyone got any other suggestions?

[Expletive Deleted]

If you're fine with these villains getting horribly slaughtered in their second appearance, then by all means.

[Steffen]

What ED said.

"Realistically," anybody going head-to-head with Castle will not survive a second encounter. That's why the MAX series tends to stay away from extablished villains in the regular MU continuuity. Sure Bullseye would come up with great ways to kill people. But did you see what Frank did to Barracuda when they met a seond time? Wasn't pretty. But that's why we love The Punisher.

[Hypestyle]

... the only down side would be-- well, if/when Frank wins, does he kill the villain? that's where things usually end up in a Max storyline.. i wouldn't mind having some recurring foes who live to fight another day, though.. I'd like to include Nuke from the Daredevil comics as another.. also Sabertooth..

[Karl Cook]

Punisher MAX doesn't need a rogue's gallery. He deals with the lowest of the low and those whom think they are above the law and he dispenses the only punishment guaranteed to end their criminal careers: DEATH.

[Splatt]

That's all nicely thought out but there's one problem. Frank would kill them. All of them. That's how he rolls in his MAX incarnation.

[Jake V]

Frank kills his enemies. How could he have a rogues gallery?

While there were a few recurring enemies in Ennis' MAX run, they all got killed in the end.

It's best to continually come up with new people for Frank to kill than to show him failing to kill the same enemies every month.

[Tobias Drake]

As has been stated repeatedly, the very concept of a rogues' gallery is antithetical to the concept of the Punisher. As a protagonist figure who kills every antagonist he runs across, recurring villains diminish his capabilities with every appearance, because in order to remain recurring, Frank must fail every single time.

[psm]

So, let me get this straight, Castle kills his enemies? :tongue:

Anyway, another reason I don't think it would work is because Max Punisher is not in the superhero genre. It's not even in the pulp genre (although close). It's crime fiction (at least currently) where the idea of an assassin who could make a playing card a dangerous weapon is outside the suspension of belief.

Not to say, that you couldn't have characters like Bullseye, you just couldn't have them as they are in the MU. He would have no spandex, no powers, uses a gun like a real assassin and ends up dead. So I guess, by that point it's really not Bullseye anymore.

[Herr Mike]

I wouldn't change it at all.

[psm]

I wouldn't change it at all.

Me neither. You still could do a limited Marvel Knights series where those characters meet up though. Just like they did a few years ago with Punisher vs. DD. I mean it's not like they don't have a second series out right now.

[Leocomix]

As all posters said a rogues gallery is a bad idea for MAX but it's wonderful for War journal which is set in the Marvel Universe.

[Guru_Pitka]

I agree with those saying a rogues gallery doesn't necessarily fit Punisher. especiallythe MAX version.

Its possible - but the 'rogues' couldn't be specific individuals. They would have to be some organizations or groups whose leaders could be taken out, but new individuals arise to take their place. Something like a Punisher version of a hellfire club where the positions stay the same, but the individuals filling them change.

[Vidocq]

I like the Idea of MAX Jigsaw. But he still must die at the end of an arc.

[Siddon]

Well the charm of the MAX series is that each story-line is 60% about the villian and world they live in. They can die because they've already gotten as much story out of it as they can. But if we are living in a dream world where Marvel would be willing to pony up the money

Punisher vs Herr Starr

[amm325]

do you just not understand the concept of the Punisher at all?

[DeadXMan]

remember the funeral in War journal?

Max Frank would put a bullet in their heads as he lit the place on fire.

[Ronald Bryan]

Of course, don't give Punisher any friends either, since they all seem to wind up dead as well.

[Arsh]

Well, everyone knows that Gregg Hurwitz is taking over for Ennis for the next MAX arc?

According to the advanced solicits for November, Jigsaw will be making an appearance in MAX.

[Libaax]

As has been stated repeatedly, the very concept of a rogues' gallery is antithetical to the concept of the Punisher. As a protagonist figure who kills every antagonist he runs across, recurring villains diminish his capabilities with every appearance, because in order to remain recurring, Frank must fail every single time.

Feel the same.


If someone is lucky enough to survive going against Frank, the second time wont be so pretty ala Barracuda.

[Vidocq]

Well, everyone knows that Gregg Hurwitz is taking over for Ennis for the next MAX arc?

According to the advanced solicits for November, Jigsaw will be making an appearance in MAX.

I Hope Jigsaw dies at the end. Hey how about a guy like the Jigsaw from SAW as a MAX Punisher Villain?

[Arsh]

I Hope Jigsaw dies at the end. Hey how about a guy like the Jigsaw from SAW as a MAX Punisher Villain?

After Hurwitz's arc, Duane Swierzcynski is writing a Punisher MAX arc, and his story deals with Frank being poisoned by some crazy guy with only six hours left to live and I think he is forced to do something for the antidote... or he just spends his time killing. Not sure.

[FearEmbodied]

Well, everyone knows that Gregg Hurwitz is taking over for Ennis for the next MAX arc?

According to the advanced solicits for November, Jigsaw will be making an appearance in MAX.

The fact that Jigsaw is going to be in MAX baffles me. He shouldn't even exist in the MAX continuity.

[Bruce Edwards]

The fact that Jigsaw is going to be in MAX baffles me. He shouldn't even exist in the MAX continuity.

Well ... if all goes well, he won't exist for very long.

I know others have expressed this sentiment, but I really hope Frank puts Jigsaw down for good after his appearance in the MAX comic and they don't take the easy way out and turn him into a recurring villain.

Anyways, I thought Jigsaw was currently the villain in the War Journal comic? Are they that desperate for movie tie-ins that they have to make Jigsaw the villain everywhere?

[FearEmbodied]

Well ... if all goes well, he won't exist for very long.

I know others have expressed this sentiment, but I really hope Frank puts Jigsaw down for good after his appearance in the MAX comic and they don't take the easy way out and turn him into a recurring villain.

Anyways, I thought Jigsaw was currently the villain in the War Journal comic? Are they that desperate for movie tie-ins that they have to make Jigsaw the villain everywhere?

I like Jigsaw and was happy when he started to make a comeback, I think he works fine in the 616 books like War Journal. It just makes no sense for him to be in the MAX books because he shouldn't exist. MAX doesn't have the Costa family. Ennis made his own MAX version of the origin story with the Drago crime family when he wrote "The Cell". No Costa family means no Maggia family, no Maggia family means no Jigsaw. I think they might make a MAX version of Jigsaw complete with his own MAX specific origin.

[Arsh]

I like Jigsaw and was happy when he started to make a comeback, I think he works fine in the 616 books like War Journal. It just makes no sense for him to be in the MAX books because he shouldn't exist. MAX doesn't have the Costa family. Ennis made his own MAX version of the origin story with the Drago crime family when he wrote "The Cell". No Costa family means no Maggia family, no Maggia family means no Jigsaw. I think they might make a MAX version of Jigsaw complete with his own MAX specific origin.

I think the chances of Frank taking down Jigsaw permanently are pretty high, considering that each writer only gets a single self-contained arc to play with. I've actually always wanted to see Jigsaw in MAX... I wanted to see how Ennis would do him. I like Hurwitz's work, so I look forward to it.

I do hope they give him a separate origin though... most likely he was just some random assassin who got his face cut up and managed to escape.

[JET ACE LOGAN]

bullseye? yes would love to see frank stomp on him and no this would not happen because for all the ****ing around with MAX origins, its still the marvel universe 616 and marvel will not kill anyone off, which is what the punisher does and why he will never ever fit into the usual marvel universe or even the ultimate one , comic companys don't kill !!

[FearEmbodied]

bullseye? yes would love to see frank stomp on him and no this would not happen because for all the ****ing around with MAX origins, its still the marvel universe 616 and marvel will not kill anyone off, which is what the punisher does and why he will never ever fit into the usual marvel universe or even the ultimate one , comic companys don't kill !!

Unless it's one of their biggest and most beloved characters like Captain America, right? Anyway, whether or not MAX is 616 is debatable. I for one don't think it is and have shown before, on this very forum, how it can't possibly be.

[Arsh]

Here's the interview with Hurwitz where he implies it's Jigsaw coming back:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154343



NRAMA: Gregg--Victor--anything foreboding you'd like to tell Punisher fans?

GH: A familiar face shall appear. And the MAX version of him will be bigger and badder than ever.

VG: Punisher is foreboding enough all on his own. I don't need to say a thing.

[Vidocq]

Hope that MAX version thing will mean a diferent origin.

[mgs]

much like the others have been saying. there is no need for a 'gallery' as that gallery would be ever-changing and dead, at the end.

[StoneGold]

How about Foolkiller?

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

If you're fine with these villains getting horribly slaughtered in their second appearance, then by all means.


What ED said.

"Realistically," anybody going head-to-head with Castle will not survive a second encounter. That's why the MAX series tends to stay away from extablished villains in the regular MU continuuity. Sure Bullseye would come up with great ways to kill people. But did you see what Frank did to Barracuda when they met a seond time? Wasn't pretty. But that's why we love The Punisher.


That's all nicely thought out but there's one problem. Frank would kill them. All of them. That's how he rolls in his MAX incarnation.


Frank kills his enemies. How could he have a rogues gallery?

While there were a few recurring enemies in Ennis' MAX run, they all got killed in the end.

It's best to continually come up with new people for Frank to kill than to show him failing to kill the same enemies every month.


much like the others have been saying. there is no need for a 'gallery' as that gallery would be ever-changing and dead, at the end.

...Doctor Doom?





The point is to give him someone he can't kill, or at least would be very difficult to kill, as well as someone on his level. How about a slightly toned down MAX version of Deadpool?

[DeadXMan]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;7424047']...Doctor Doom?





The point is to give him someone he can't kill, or at least would be very difficult to kill, as well as someone on his level. How about a slightly toned down MAX version of Deadpool?

a tuned down version of deadpool is Bullseye.

And Frank has faced three times and hasn't been able to kill him.

[Arsh]

How about Foolkiller?

Well, they'd be on the same side, so he couldn't be an antagonist, right?

But, Frank Castle is guest-starring in the current Foolkiller arc (Foolkiller rocks too)

[StoneGold]

Well, they'd be on the same side, so he couldn't be an antagonist, right?

But, Frank Castle is guest-starring in the current Foolkiller arc (Foolkiller rocks too)

I brought it up because of the guest star. But Frank tends not to like other people horning in on his psycho for the side of good status.

[JET ACE LOGAN]

Unless it's one of their biggest and most beloved characters like Captain America, right? Anyway, whether or not MAX is 616 is debatable. I for one don't think it is and have shown before, on this very forum, how it can't possibly be.


oh yea your right, but cap came back as bucky cap, and the punisher month after month killing regular marvel villians would not happen cause it depletes marvels stock of characters!!

[rogerio]

I loved the "Man of Stone". How about Yelena Belova?
and...
Madame HYDRA and HYDRA
Paladin
Taskmaster
Hammerhead

[carabas]

How about Yelena Belova?Bendis killed her in New Avengers... twice to make sure.

Damn shame too. I liked her.

[The Punished]

Punisher really is the best there is at what he does! Logan should check it. Wolverine always has Omega Red pop by for some tea, Sabretooth drops in for a girls night in, Lady Deathstrike takes him out shopping from time to time, etc.

Frank only has Jigsaw at best, sometimes Bushwhacker but not too much

[Abrojo]

My only wish, is that if they do add jigsaw or some other villain that is going to be recurrent. They do it once, like Barracuda.
Even then, it was a crazy come back (even Frank was surprised) and it fitted the character very well. Even till the very end the bastard juts kept going and going in his dementia/child like head.

Basically, no character should return more than once, and when they do, it needs to be explained very properly.
Cause either Frank is not being kickass on his MAX level. If not, it can only be a stupid deus ex machina will keep the villain from dying time and time again to return specially since if Frank knows the bastard is alive, he will hunt him down.

It would truly break lots of MAX mood and pace to have a villain return more than once.

[HulkSmash666]

I would like to see Frank take a trip to deepest, darkest Africa.

Some dirt-poor, thirld world war zone, like Sierra Leone or Angola, where there is a civil war going on.

This civil war is pretty much your typical African war, where there's massive killings, rape, torture, mutilation, and looting comitted upon the civilian population.

Frank is on the trail of a diamond smuggling operation that's left an extremelly large body count in it's wake.

But upon arrival in this country, Frank is quickly realizing he may have bitten off more than he can chew. The crime rate is astronimcal, with murders and robberies commited openly in the street, and gangs of heavily armed, and heavily drugged up teenagers and children prowl the streets, looking for trouble.

And there's not a white man in sight. Frank stands out like dog's balls. Every bloodshot, hazy eye is watching Frank as soon as he arrives, and he's followed just about everywhere he goes, by the criminals, police, militia and soldiers.

"This town needs to be wiped from the map", is Frank's first thought.

Frank's trail leads him to a warlord who controls the army who occupy the town. Frank sets about disrupting the diamond operation, killing dozens of soldiers in the process.

The colonel blames rebels stationed in the town, and orders the town to be "cleansed".

Frank is now responsible for the lives of the innocent towns people that are going to be exterminated because of his actions.

With the army regrouping out of town after Frank's attacks, Frank desperatly tries to set up a defense against the assault, while at the same time organising an alliance with the town's rebels, and getting word to the UN to send in peacekeepers.

Cue massive battle between Frank, a handful of rebels and civilians armed with minimal firepower Vs one of the most brutal and bloodthirsty armies to walk the Dark Continent.

[JET ACE LOGAN]

I would like to see Frank take a trip to deepest, darkest Africa.

And there's not a white man in sight. Frank stands out like dog's balls..


there are no words for this,

none..........

[rogerio]

Bendis killed her in New Avengers... twice to make sure.

Damn shame too. I liked her.

I was talking about a Yelena Belova MAX.:confused:

[carabas]

I was talking about a Yelena Belova MAX.:confused:
So? Jessica Jones got pregnant in Alias MAX, gave birth in 616 The Pulse, and got married in New Avengers.
Yelena died, got turned into a killer robot thing, an died again.

[zebop]

Certain villains in the MU could fit nicely into a Punisher MAX storyline, and I was wondering which villains would you like Frank to run up against if they were to recieve the MAX treatment?

Anyone got any other suggestions?

Yeah. Scrap the whole idea because I don't ever want to see any super-villains in The Punisher MAX Universe. That's what The Punisher War Journal is for and exactly why I don't buy it.

[zebop]

I would like to see Frank take a trip to deepest, darkest Africa.

Some dirt-poor, thirld world war zone, like Sierra Leone or Angola, where there is a civil war going on.

This civil war is pretty much your typical African war, where there's massive killings, rape, torture, mutilation, and looting comitted upon the civilian population.

Frank is on the trail of a diamond smuggling operation that's left an extremelly large body count in it's wake.

But upon arrival in this country, Frank is quickly realizing he may have bitten off more than he can chew. The crime rate is astronimcal, with murders and robberies commited openly in the street, and gangs of heavily armed, and heavily drugged up teenagers and children prowl the streets, looking for trouble.

And there's not a white man in sight. Frank stands out like dog's balls. Every bloodshot, hazy eye is watching Frank as soon as he arrives, and he's followed just about everywhere he goes, by the criminals, police, militia and soldiers.

"This town needs to be wiped from the map", is Frank's first thought.

Frank's trail leads him to a warlord who controls the army who occupy the town. Frank sets about disrupting the diamond operation, killing dozens of soldiers in the process.

The colonel blames rebels stationed in the town, and orders the town to be "cleansed".

Frank is now responsible for the lives of the innocent towns people that are going to be exterminated because of his actions.

With the army regrouping out of town after Frank's attacks, Frank desperatly tries to set up a defense against the assault, while at the same time organising an alliance with the town's rebels, and getting word to the UN to send in peacekeepers.

Cue massive battle between Frank, a handful of rebels and civilians armed with minimal firepower Vs one of the most brutal and bloodthirsty armies to walk the Dark Continent.

"Deepest, darkest Africa?"

"The Dark Continent?"

Dude, you do know they have electricity in Africa now? I'm pretty sure running water and indoor plumbing too in some places.

Have you watched Black Hawk Down one time too many?

You need to either do more research or write fan fiction. Choose. :rolleyes:

[FearEmbodied]

So? Jessica Jones got pregnant in Alias MAX, gave birth in 616 The Pulse, and got married in New Avengers.
Yelena died, got turned into a killer robot thing, an died again.

Some MAX books are 616 canon and some aren't. Alias was, but books like Cage and War Machine aren't.

[FearEmbodied]

oh yea your right, but cap came back as bucky cap, and the punisher month after month killing regular marvel villians would not happen cause it depletes marvels stock of characters!!

Bucky is not Captain America. Bucky is Bucky in a Captain America mask. Steve Rogers is Captain America.

[HulkSmash666]

"Deepest, darkest Africa?"

"The Dark Continent?"

Dude, you do know they have electricity in Africa now? I'm pretty sure running water and indoor plumbing too in some places.

Have you watched Black Hawk Down one time too many?

You need to either do more research or write fan fiction. Choose. :rolleyes:

It's not called "The Dark Continent" on account of it's power supply (or lack there of).

Some countries in Africa are down right lawless, where anything goes. Murder, rape, robberies, carjackings, kidnapping, slave trading are every day things on the streets of some African cities, committed openly in broad daylight without fear of punishment.

That's not taking into account the attrocities committed during war time in some of these countries.

Look at Rwanda, Angola, Sierra Leonne, Burunti, Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Sudan or about a dozen other countries in Africa and you will find these things happening.


So why not throw Punisher into a country like this and let him loose?

Any writer worth his grain of salt can come up with a badass, intense storyline involving Punisher in this scenario.

[Jake V]

It's not called "The Dark Continent" on account of it's power supply (or lack there of).

Some countries in Africa are down right lawless, where anything goes. Murder, rape, robberies, carjackings, kidnapping, slave trading are every day things on the streets of some African cities, committed openly in broad daylight without fear of punishment.

That's not taking into account the attrocities committed during war time in some of these countries.

Look at Rwanda, Angola, Sierra Leonne, Burunti, Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Sudan or about a dozen other countries in Africa and you will find these things happening.


So why not throw Punisher into a country like this and let him loose?

Any writer worth his grain of salt can come up with a badass, intense storyline involving Punisher in this scenario.
How does any of that address the question of a rogues gallery?

[HulkSmash666]

How does any of that address the question of a rogues gallery?

The discussion has kind of moved onto the fact Punisher shouldn't have a rogue's gallery, as his villains are best served as disposable.

Bring in some badass, crazy, drug fueled mass murderers that roam the African countryside, slaughtering thousands, and commiting the most vile attrocities known to man.

These men are veterans of dozens of battles, with not a single shred of humanity left in them. Nothing scares them, as they are untouchable in their own country.

They work for corrupt generals and warlords that bleed their country and their neighbours dry, while they line their own pockets and solidify their control.

Daily life for the civilians is beyond human misery, as they are at the total mercy of the armed gangs and soldiers.

This entire storyline could introduce a number of memorable, but short-lived villains for Frank to run into.

Cannibalistic crazies; trophy-collecting "warriors" who wear necklaces made of ears, noses etc; sickos who target women; drug-fueled teenagers who play murderous games with innocent civilians; warlords who feed civilians/enemy troops to wild animals, etc etc.

I can already picture 6 or 7 villains, all different in appearance and personality, that could be fleshed out in a major arc, creating a kind of mini-Punisher universe in itself.


It would be cool to see Frank go up against an army of these soldiers. Sure, they are experienced soldiers, who have plenty of blood on their hands, but their level of training is laughable compared to Frank's knowledge of death-dealing.

A fully equipped, fully prepared Frank waging a one man war against an army of poorly trained, but experienced, drug-fueled, yet bloodthirsty mass murderers.

Even better...Frank with hardly any weapons, defending a town of innocent civilians from extermination, against said army.

[JET ACE LOGAN]

Bucky is not Captain America. Bucky is Bucky in a Captain America mask. Steve Rogers is Captain America.


No bucky is captain america now .


mr rogers is dead (for however long that lasts) so deal with.......