so...........is kitty dead? if not why aren't the x-men rescuing her?

[anucksanumoon]

the mere strain of phasing that bullet through the entire planet would have seemingly killed kitty. but it was phased through the world successfully so if kitty is still alive and floating around in space why haven't the x-men atleast tried to rescue her?

[timbox]

Emma shed a tear.
The book has closed.

[KiplingKat]

For the same reason they aren't moving heaven and earth to repower the mutant species as they did when the H.E. removed all mutant powers back in the 1990's.

They've become self-centered, apathetic, and utterly focused on the small picture.

Quite frankly if Kitty gets out of that, I look forward to her belting Scott. He deserves it.

[frog]

Because Whedon wanted to leave his permanent mark on the X-Men.

[LawGiver]

They said in the book that Kitty would be fused with the bullet and probably dead so there is nothing they can do.

[timbox]

He deserves it.

Truer words, KiplingKat, truer words.

[KiplingKat]

They said in the book that Kitty would be fused with the bullet and probably dead so there is nothing they can do.

Actually, they did not say she was probably dead, Scott said they were afraid that the bullet would hit something and they didn;t know if she could be separated.

"Strange, Richards...all the "top men"...figure she's bonded with the bullet. That size, it's the only way she could have...and even if she could break the connection, the bullet might be in the middle of a planet. Or it'll hit someone, sooner or later, before or after she could phase out... Assuming she's even strictly alive."

Honestly, it sounds like a bunch of rationalizations to me.

I mean at the very least, you have this massive interstellar hazard that has to be dealt with. They don't know that the bullet is in permanent phase.

I love Whedon, and I loved his Astonishing run, but that was a really lame ending to that story (which otherwise was quite good).

[LawGiver]

Actually, they did not say she was probably dead, they said they don't know how to unfuse her from the bullet.

Ok, so they don't know how to unfuse her, if they figure it out, they go get her, until then, happy sailing.

[worstblogever]

When Dr. Strange, Reed Richards, and the Beast can't wrap their head around a problem like this, what do you do?

A) Call up Hank Pym, and hope he's not popping too many pills?
B) Punch Cyclops, because it's obviously his fault? :rolleyes:
C) Go to Uatu the Watcher and be like... PLEEEEEAAAZZZEEEE TELL US HOW?
D) Make a deal with the devil to end your marriage for the solution?
E) Realize you've done all you can, and revisit the problem where there's a safe solution that won't risk the trapped person's life to help free them.


I'd go with E. If you pick anything else, you're deluding yourself.

[Seres]

Kitty will return at some point in the future with the bullet still a part of her. Her new codename will be "bulletbody", and her powers will involve running very fast at people and hitting them. My guess is that she'll look something like this:

http://a284.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_0eaab471b2d6b8a0e1b47e1a0578d663.jpg

But that's just a guess.

[Grapeweasel]

In the months between issues they probably forgot she needed rescuing.

[HeckBoy]

Kitty will return at some point in the future with the bullet still a part of her. Her new codename will be "bulletbody", and her powers will involve running very fast at people and hitting them. My guess is that she'll look something like this:

http://a284.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_0eaab471b2d6b8a0e1b47e1a0578d663.jpg

But that's just a guess.LOL.

Anyway, I think they left it open-ended enough (by not outright saying she's dead), that her return will be "easier" and simpler than most other "OMG he's dead!" returns.

[jarrod]

I expect one of her Omega lesbians to get around to it sooner or later.

And screw Richards, they should ask Doom for help. Worked better last time.

[Mr.Smith]

the space at the tip of bullet isn't the biggist, regardless of just how much 'time' there is between issues/events wouldn't she have run out of oxygen by now?

or does being phased as part of giant space bullet mean she now longer needs all the basics (air/water/food) that she used to need in order to live day-to-day?

also, how do you get the bullet exactly? it wasn't hanging around - you'd have to calculate just where it was heading and somehow catch up with it before you could begin to think about stopping it/her and then work out how to seperate the two.

exhausting all that effort on one person at the expense of the all the other things going on in the world of x? nah!

i've not re-read the issue of late though, could have missed something...

[jarrod]

The bullet is magic. Hence, Kitty's fine.

[Slung]

In the months between issues they probably forgot she needed rescuing.

Remember when she disappeared in space last time and no one bothered looking for her? Maybe she's going to college again. Like last time.

[Jake V]

He thought about going to save Kitty, but Cyclops decided that he'd rather stay home and nail Emma for the fourth time that day.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Cyclops is a JERK!

Do you think Kitty is against gun control now that she's a bullet?

[darknessatnoon]

He thought about going to save Kitty, but Cyclops decided that he'd rather stay home and nail Emma for the fourth time that day.

I am growing increasingly sympathetic to Kitty and her situation, knowing that all the X-Men are doing these days is screwing and recycling mulch in the backyard of their new military base.

[Jake V]

I am growing increasingly sympathetic to Kitty and her situation, knowing that all the X-Men are doing these days is screwing and recycling mulch in the backyard of their new military base.

Your sympathy isn't gonna make her any less dead.

[pryde15]

Your sympathy isn't gonna make her any less dead.

That's fine. She'll be back soon.

[Brian Cronin]

It is pretty funny that this isn't even the most egregious example of Kitty going missing and no one caring.

-Brian

[pryde15]

It is pretty funny that this isn't even the most egregious example of Kitty going missing and no one caring.

-Brian

I care... :frown:

[Jake V]

That's fine. She'll be back soon.

Define "soon".

And would you be willing to put some money behind that claim?

[Brian Cronin]

I care... :frown:

Ha!

You know what I mean! :smile:

After X-Men #100, she just disappears, and no one seemed to even notice. It was so silly. This time, they at least have a pretty good reason not to try to save her (that is, they think she's pretty much dead).

-Brian

[pryde15]

Define "soon".

And would you be willing to put some money behind that claim?

Actually, yes. I'm fairly confident.

[darknessatnoon]

Ha!

You know what I mean! :smile:

After X-Men #100, she just disappears, and no one seemed to even notice. It was so silly. This time, they at least have a pretty good reason not to try to save her (that is, they think she's pretty much dead).

-Brian

But didn't she send Professor Xavier an "I hate you, don't ever come looking for me" letter?

[Jake V]

Actually, yes. I'm fairly confident.

That's so adorable.

[Brian Cronin]

But didn't she send Professor Xavier an "I hate you, don't ever come looking for me" letter?

Was Professor X even with the team during Claremont's second run?

-Brian

[pryde15]

That's so adorable.

:smile:

I'm sure you feel the same way about your sarcasm.

[pryde15]

Was Professor X even with the team during Claremont's second run?

-Brian

I don't think he was.

[darknessatnoon]

Was Professor X even with the team during Claremont's second run?

-Brian

Not at the beginning, but I remember some issue where she had sent a letter to him saying leave me alone, I'm at college making my own dreams. Don't come looking for me, I'm sick of frozen Shiar food, etc. Maybe that's the one where she scatters Piotr's fake ashes. If I remember right, the letter was a bit late since the X-Men had already sent several months not looking for her. I think Lobdell came back to write that issue.

[escapegoat]

I'm amazed the people actually believe that Kitty's dead....:rolleyes:

#1 rule to comic book death - No dead body & funeral = not dead. At some point down the road, some writer will bring back any character who has supposedly meet such a fate where no evidence of a dead body is presented.

[Jake V]

:smile:

I'm sure you feel the same way about your sarcasm.

What sarcasm?

Im genuinely moved by you desperately clinging to the hope that little kitty will be back "soon".

Its touching.

[jarrod]

Your sympathy isn't gonna make her any less dead.
No, being alive does that.


<3 <3 Magic Bullet <3 <3

[Brian Cronin]

Not at the beginning, but I remember some issue where she had sent a letter to him saying leave me alone, I'm at college making my own dreams. Don't come looking for me, I'm sick of frozen Shiar food, etc. Maybe that's the one where she scatters Piotr's fake ashes. If I remember right, the letter was a bit late since the X-Men had already sent several months not looking for her. I think Lobdell came back to write that issue.

Oh yeah, yeah, that came later, right before Eve of Destruction.

But that's what I mean, she goes missing in X-Men #100, and no one thinks about her for, like, a year.

I presume Claremont had a story planned that got scrapped.

-Brian

[jarrod]

Ha!

You know what I mean! :smile:

After X-Men #100, she just disappears, and no one seemed to even notice. It was so silly. This time, they at least have a pretty good reason not to try to save her (that is, they think she's pretty much dead).

-Brian
Excalibur also lost her near the end of the CTC. But at least they angsted over it once or twice.

[Tobias Drake]

All I know is, the bullet's still going. I would love to see just a brief scene of a Skrull or Kree planet, and suddenly this giant bullet just phases through their planet and keeps going, leaving everyone going, "...what the $%&# was that?"

[Brian Cronin]

Excalibur also lost her near the end of the CTC. But at least they angsted over it once or twice.

True, I guess they've become hardened over the years due to the repeated nature of her departures.

"Kitty's lost - possibly forever?!!?"

"It must be Tuesday."

-Brian

[pryde15]

What sarcasm?

Im genuinely moved by you desperately clinging to the hope that little kitty will be back "soon".

Its touching.

:rolleyes:

Fine. Snide remarks + Comic book forum = Nothing good. Although, it's your prerogative.


As it is mine, to want to see my favorite back in action. But if I don't? That's fine. I hardly read X-Books anymore, anyways.

[jmc247]

For the same reason they aren't moving heaven and earth to repower the mutant species as they did when the H.E. removed all mutant powers back in the 1990's.

They've become self-centered, apathetic, and utterly focused on the small picture.

Quite frankly if Kitty gets out of that, I look forward to her belting Scott. He deserves it.

Scott doesn't seem to interested in what his brother Havok is doing in space either.

[twilight]

Granted I haven't read the issue where Kitty becomes lodged in a magic bullet but shouldn't a psychic be able to send "brain power" out into space and find out wether or not she's alive?

-Twi

[Charybdis4]

Has anyone on the team checked the new headquarters laundry room for Kitty?

Let's face it, Karma was stuck in the old one for 5 years & no one bloody well found her..........

[LawGiver]

Scott doesn't seem to interested in what his brother Havok is doing in space either.

That's not true, they've been in communication, but Scott probably has faith that his brother is able to handle the problems there. Plus Scott has issues back on Earth he needs to deal with.

Course I guess if you want to use your train of thought then Magneto obviously doesn't care where Lorna is, or his other two kids since he's not out actively seeking them.

[Shaid O Gray]

Generally the Marvel people aren't all that up on interstellar space travel. (I know, unless the writer decides that they need to be, but...generally) They also had no way of stopping the bullet, (or they would've done so to begin with) or how to even begin getting her loose from it. Not to mention that it's not even in our solar system anymore. If they had it lying in Central Park, Richards could probably figure something out, but as it is, I didn't find it odd that this is how it played.

I do agree however, that the impossibility of it all should've been stressed a little better. And while I don't blame Scott, I found it odd he didn't seem even remotely emotionally affected. I mean, Logan was a mess, even Emma was crying for Pete's sake, but Scott was just kinda: "Sheesh whaddayawant me to DO already?" Probably the most 'off' moment in that run emotionally. (which is odd because that's what JW is usually good at)

The bullet is magic. Hence, Kitty's fine.

Well, yeah....I doubt it will be that hard for a future writer to bring her back from this. Hell, maybe Vulcan will find her.:cool:

[jmc247]

I'm amazed the people actually believe that Kitty's dead....:rolleyes:

#1 rule to comic book death - No dead body & funeral = not dead. At some point down the road, some writer will bring back any character who has supposedly meet such a fate where no evidence of a dead body is presented.

Even when there is a dead body and a funeral it doesn't mean much in the comics.

[Mr. Eymed]

This could be solved SO easily...

"Loa and Trance's Super Space Adventure"

Think about it... Loa & Trance are tired of people doing nothing, so they take it upon themselves to rescue Kitty. Loa could phase through the bullet, making an escape path, and should she need a lot of time to pass through magic space metal, Trance's astral form could zip right through it and keep Kitty company while they wait.

[mikeb]

the mere strain of phasing that bullet through the entire planet would have seemingly killed kitty. but it was phased through the world successfully so if kitty is still alive and floating around in space why haven't the x-men atleast tried to rescue her?

Probably the same reason they didn't rescue Rogue during the Messiah Complex!:mad:

[escapegoat]

This could be solved SO easily...

"Loa and Trance's Super Space Adventure"

Think about it... Loa & Trance are tired of people doing nothing, so they take it upon themselves to rescue Kitty. Loa could phase through the bullet, making an escape path, and should she need a lot of time to pass through magic space metal, Trance's astral form could zip right through it and keep Kitty company while they wait.

That spells awesomeness on so many levels....

[limerick]

is lila chenay still around and powered post m-day?

couldn't she teleport into the bullet and at least see what the story is?as far as i remember with her teleportation power ,the further away the better.


i don't think there's any doubt we'll be seeing kitty again.i think jw probably wanted to kill her off but was refused permission.bringing colossus back and then killing kitty would have being going a bit too far.

my solution--have the bullet head for shiiar space.vulcans powerful enough to release her whether it's accidental or intentional

[marvell2100]

Hmmm...! Seems to me like there's another member for Prof. X's new "Let's go kick Scott and Emma's @$$" team!

[Brett P]

The absence of Kitty in the current X-Books is hurting my soul. :frown:

[limerick]

The absence of Kitty in the current X-Books is hurting my soul. :frown:
brettt,get some sleep!it's 2:00a.m.

[Brett P]

brettt,get some sleep!it's 2:00a.m.

I cannot sleep, my dreams are haunted by Kitty soaring through space, cold and alone :tongue:

Also, are we already aquainted? Do I have the worst memory in the world? :redface:

[KittyPryde]

Rachel can go get re-Phoenixized and then go off into (another part of) deep space and save her BFF! (after all, Kitty saved Ray from the Bogan-man, so it's time to return the save).

[drwho]

I suspect Magik will be used eventually in somehow saving kitty. They were best friends plus the whole magic thing. It makes perfect sense to me.

[Brett P]

I suspect Magik will be used eventually in somehow saving kitty. They were best friends plus the whole magic thing. It makes perfect sense to me.

I hope so! That's actually a really great idea! :smile:

[drwho]

I hope so! That's actually a really great idea! :smile:

Of course then we will have to deal with the whole the x-men left her out in space to die and kitty wants revenge on them story, But those are how all the x-men stories go.

[atomicturtle]

That's fine. She'll be back soon.

It's been weeks. The X-men built an entire (eco-friendly! don't stop reminding us that it's eco-friendly!) base. That takes time.

If Kitty hasn't starved to death, she's certainly dead from thirst. I didn't see a McDonalds in that bullet, did you?

[drwho]

Well perhaps stuck in a fully phased mode kitty doesnt need to eat.

[pryde15]

It's been weeks. The X-men built an entire (eco-friendly! don't stop reminding us that it's eco-friendly!) base. That takes time.

If Kitty hasn't starved to death, she's certainly dead from thirst. I didn't see a McDonalds in that bullet, did you?

It's a magic bullet. It's already been covered in this thread.


Also, it's fiction. That part is key.

[The Black Guardian]

Because at the end of the day, Scott really doesn't care if mutants live or die.

[DeadXMan]

Ray will save her, eventualy.

Is she still pissed that Pete Returned from the dead?

[atomicturtle]

It's a magic bullet. It's already been covered in this thread.

If it's magic, then maybe they can PUT a McDonalds in the bullet. Wouldn't that be a great twist on her return. She's back from the dead - but she weighs 400lbs. And has diabetes.

[pryde15]

If it's magic, then maybe they can PUT a McDonalds in the bullet. Wouldn't that be a great twist on her return. She's back from the dead - but she weighs 400lbs. And has diabetes.

We've already seen tubby kitty as well. But I wouldn't mind it, she would be like the new Phat Karma.

[Anodyne]

This could be solved SO easily...

"Loa and Trance's Super Space Adventure"

Think about it... Loa & Trance are tired of people doing nothing, so they take it upon themselves to rescue Kitty. Loa could phase through the bullet, making an escape path, and should she need a lot of time to pass through magic space metal, Trance's astral form could zip right through it and keep Kitty company while they wait.

If they even tried to do that I'd become a Loa and Trance fan, even though right now I don't know who they are. Sorry, but there were too many new mutants introduced all at once.

[pryde15]

If they even tried to do that I'd become a Loa and Trance fan, even though right now I don't know who they are. Sorry, but there were too many new mutants introduced all at once.

Trance (http://www.comicvine.com/trance/29-40885/), Loa (http://www.comicvine.com/loa/29-40672/)


Learn. Love.

[Lukecage]

the mere strain of phasing that bullet through the entire planet would have seemingly killed kitty. but it was phased through the world successfully so if kitty is still alive and floating around in space why haven't the x-men atleast tried to rescue her?

Because Marvel is setting up another story for later. She can sit in limbo for another year,then they can go save her. Or we can just go with the tired and pointless "Cyclops is a jerk " rant. Because if there's anything that we don't like in the books it's obviosly his fault. Not the editorial mandates of Marvel.

[Kirayoshi]

It's been weeks. The X-men built an entire (eco-friendly! don't stop reminding us that it's eco-friendly!) base. That takes time.

If Kitty hasn't starved to death, she's certainly dead from thirst. I didn't see a McDonalds in that bullet, did you?Back during the Morlock Massacre, Kitty lost control of her powers. She should have either died of thirst or starvation during that period, but didn't. Which makes me think that while in her phased form, she doesn't need food or water.

But that damn bullet's gonna be out of reach if the X-Men don't stop it soon, dammit!

[Seikun21]

Back during the Morlock Massacre, Kitty lost control of her powers. She should have either died of thirst or starvation during that period, but didn't. Which makes me think that while in her phased form, she doesn't need food or water.

But that damn bullet's gonna be out of reach if the X-Men don't stop it soon, dammit!

Usually she needs to breathe though. Kitty Pryde can breathe in space?

[Bamf25]

I can not find the quote right now, but I believe at San D con they said Kitty would be addressed in Uncanny 504.

[sneggz]

I suspect Magik will be used eventually in somehow saving kitty. They were best friends plus the whole magic thing. It makes perfect sense to me.

IIRC, that bullet has magical protection. Illyana or Megans Soulskewers should be able to cut through it, then teleport her out.

[Bronze Badger]

You can't rescue dead people.

[nikbackm]

Because Marvel is setting up another story for later. She can sit in limbo for another year,then they can go save her. Or we can just go with the tired and pointless "Cyclops is a jerk " rant. Because if there's anything that we don't like in the books it's obviosly his fault. Not the editorial mandates of Marvel.

Those are also Cyclops' fault.

[Brian Cronin]

I can not find the quote right now, but I believe at San D con they said Kitty would be addressed in Uncanny 504.

Right, but by "addressed," they mean that we'll see some reactions of the cast members (specifically Colossus).

-Brian

[kate-pryde]

Kitty's not dead. She'll be back.

But I do think it's utterly disgraceful that it's taking so long. So much for "leave no man behind".

[Kirayoshi]

Usually she needs to breathe though. Kitty Pryde can breathe in space?Somehow I suspect that Kitty's in some sort of stasis while fused with the bullet. If we were to see her now, I think that she'd look rather like Han Solo at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. Breathing would not be an issue, I suspect.

[$5 Milkshake]

They're not trying to find her because they're glad to be rid of her whiney ass.

[The Black Guardian]

Somehow I suspect that Kitty's in some sort of stasis while fused with the bullet. If we were to see her now, I think that she'd look rather like Han Solo at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. Breathing would not be an issue, I suspect.
Ya know... I've been halfway wondering if this is some attempt to turn her into Widget again.:eek:

[Wildjem]

It's stupid that they don't investigate what happened with the bullit. But it's also stupid they don't contact Havok and friends in space.... The reason Havok wanted to do this by themselves was stupid and it's been quite a while now. Cyclops: Sorry I was too busy to care if you were alive or not.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Whedon has done nothing of an true worth to Kitty. It really pisses me off that he's left things this way. It's just another example of how Astonishing utterly sank in quality after his first run...:mad:

[Jake V]

Whedon has done nothing of an true worth to Kitty. It really pisses me off that he's left things this way. It's just another example of how Astonishing utterly sank in quality after his first run...:mad:

I'd argue that it stayed at a consistent level of "shitty" the whole way through.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'd argue that it stayed at a consistent level of "shitty" the whole way through.

I thought the first run actually sghowed some promise. I was very much looking forward to a proper Hellfire Story with Emma being revealed as playing the X-Men - but he copped out there, too.

I hated the way he had Kitty just snarking comments in the background, too.

[melodyrider]

I hated the way he had Kitty just snarking comments in the background, too.

Oh, please. She made snarking comments in the background all of twice during Whedon's entire run.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Oh, please. She made snarking comments in the background all of twice during Whedon's entire run.

It's not just the two examples, it's the whole damn tone. The Kitty Pryde who rejoined the X-Men from Excalibur was an adult. She was then reverted to a teen because Editorial wanted that. The Kitty Pryde who left the X-Men and appeared in Mechanix was an adult. The Kitty Pryde who appeared in Astonishing returned to her bratty former personality. complete with Colossus dependency to justify her character.

It's tired, it's only one part of her character, and wonderfully nostalgic though it must have been a good many people thought it was another huge step backwards for the character.

Can she be more than just the naive kid of the group? Yes. Easily and frequently. Just not here.

[maigen]

They're not trying to find her because they're glad to be rid of her whiney ass.

Ha! That's as good of logic as any.

[melodyrider]

It's not just the two examples, it's the whole damn tone. The Kitty Pryde who rejoined the X-Men from Excalibur was an adult. She was then reverted to a teen because Editorial wanted that. The Kitty Pryde who left the X-Men and appeared in Mechanix was an adult. The Kitty Pryde who appeared in Astonishing returned to her bratty former personality. complete with Colossus dependency to justify her character.

It was stories like Mekanix written after Kitty left the X-Men that made her Colossus dependency the only logical response to him walking back in her life. After the way Claremont and everyone else had her obsessing over his death, it wouldn't have made sense for her to respond any other way. And for that matter, she's never been in a better position to get over that dependency than at this very moment.

I'd also contend that she was hardly as 'adult' in Mekanix as you suggest. She was a whiny, angst-ridden basket-case who couldn't even handle living in a dorm and spent half her time in that mini lashing out verbally at anyone who ticked her off, even those who were just trying to help her. She even goes to that useless debate that would have been better for her to avoid because, of all things, peer pressure.

Putting her in a position of authority as Whedon did by making her a teacher, and then having her take charge of a crisis situation on no less than three separate occasions, on the other hand, set a much better tone of maturity overall, and had she not been written out at the end of Giant Size it would have been ridiculously simple for any writer who picked her up next to write her at an adult level you would have been satisfied with.