View Full Version : X-Men Origins : Jean Grey *** Spoilers***
jackolover
08-18-2008, 05:15 AM
I don't have any knowledge of Jeans origin, like most of you, so this was good filler. It sort of follows a little along the X-Men movie, when Jean returns to her family home, and we learn Xavier had put in a mental block. In this book we find out why.
It goes as everyone knows. Jean throws a frisbee and her friend Anne gets killed by a car. This sparks off Jeans latent mutant telepathy and telekenetic powers, but it's too much for her, and she freaks out because she doesn't know what these powers are. I would too, if it happened to me.
Jean is a mess. The family tries all sorts of professionals and some that aren't, until they come across Xavier. It seems Jean has a sister too, Sarah. (Does this person ever get mutant powers?). Prof X works on Jeans fears and makes some progress until they go to the mall. Then Jean gets bumped by a kid, and her Telekenesis kicks in, and it all goes to hell.
Second attempt. Prof X gets Jean nice and ready, but even though Jean is better, Prof X says she needs more, and instead of leaving her at home, takes her to the school for gifted children. There she trains with the X-Men, but she's not much good at it. The X-Men get a call to go on a mission, and they find out Jean didn't make it on the plane when they fight Magneto.
Jean, meanwhile has met a fellow school girl playing hookey from school. There is a truck that looses control and carreens into a crowd. Jean flies into action saving like half a dozen lives, stopping the truck. Now she knows she can save people, when she is faced with a terrible situation, and she came out alive and saving others.
Back to the school, she walks with Prof X and he tears strips off her for not being on the plane. "You won't do that again will you?" 'No professor.' "You're lying", Jean smiles. "There's hope for you yet". Best character forming moment in the book.
Well worth the investment. Very laid back story-telling pace, and very pre-X-Men, before any dangers and any worries. A place for Jean to grow, and not be worried she is going to do any damage, and still become a normal girl. As normal as a girl can be with 4 boys all chasing her.
Dagger
08-18-2008, 05:23 AM
This story made me miss Jean even more.:frown:
To understand the context of this story, read Bizarre Adventures #27:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/10806373230.27.GIF
Sara Grey visits Jean's grave as she remembers she had with her sister when Attuma kidnapped Sarah & Jean; he turned them into Homo-Mermanus, water breating humans, to mate with them so he could have an army of mutant children to take over the surface world. However, Attuma underestimates Phoenix as she easily turns the tide of the battle. When Jean becomes Phoenix, she instinctively transforms back to herself. Sarah is another matter. Jean is afraid she might kill her, but she does telekinetically rearrange the molecules of Sarah's entire genetic structure to transform her back into a human. This story takes place between Uncanny X-Men #109 & Uncanny X-Men #110. This story has been referenced in X-Factor Annual #4 when Attuma mistakes Marvel Girl for Phoenix. Beast saves her only to taken by the Deviant priest lord, Ghaur & Uncanny X-Men Annual #14 by Rachel Summers, Phoenix.
Within this flashback is another flashback: A young Jean Grey plays with her best friend, Annie Richardson; Annie is hit by a car when the Frisbee lands in a blind spot. As a result, Jean's telepathy manifests prematurely. Jean withdraws to keep peoples' thoughts away from her. Her father then contacts Xavier through his connection as a university professor. Charles Xavier places psychic circuit breakers within Jean's mind until she is mature enough to deal with her telepathy. These same psychic circuit breakers re-emerged after Jean Grey became Phoenix & saved the universe to keep her power at a level she could handle. This story has been referenced in Classic X-Men #2 & alluded to in Uncanny X-Men #136 (pre-dating the publication of this story).
LawGiver
08-18-2008, 09:31 AM
Why do you give history lessons in every thread?
Joe Acro
08-18-2008, 09:33 AM
These same psychic circuit breakers re-emerged after Jean Grey became Phoenix & saved the universe to keep her power at a level she could handle.Jean Grey was never a Phoenix that saved the universe.
Dagger
08-18-2008, 09:34 AM
Why do you give history lessons in every thread?
Because you can't understands what's happening in a current magazine w/o knowing the ENTIRE back history of the Marvel Universe!!!:rolleyes:
LawGiver
08-18-2008, 09:37 AM
Because you can't understands what's happening in a current magazine w/o knowing the ENTIRE back history of the Marvel Universe!!!:rolleyes:
I understood this issue just fine and I had never read that story that Mr. DDM insists must be read in order to understand this issue.
Dagger
08-18-2008, 09:52 AM
I understood this issue just fine and I had never read that story that Mr. DDM insists must be read in order to understand this issue.
So do most people. But I guess he insists on being those little editor boxes that they hardly use in comics anymore.
Why do you give history lessons in every thread?
Bizarre Adventures #27 is not mentioned at all in the story. To understand the context of this book, Bizarre Adventures #27 must be discussed. Sean McKeever just did not pull this story out of the blue. It came from Bizarre Adventures #27. Bizare Adventures is an obscure book as it is. But this story is continually referenced.
I don't have any knowledge of Jeans origin, like most of you, so this was good filler. It sort of follows a little along the X-Men movie, when Jean returns to her family home, and we learn Xavier had put in a mental block. In this book we find out why.
Read Bizarre Adventures #27.
It goes as everyone knows. Jean throws a frisbee and her friend Anne gets killed by a car. This sparks off Jeans latent mutant telepathy and telekenetic powers, but it's too much for her, and she freaks out because she doesn't know what these powers are. I would too, if it happened to me.
Annie's death releases Jean's latent telepathy--not her telekinesis. When working with Jean, Xavier realizes she a telekinetic too. He helps her develop her telekinesis & shuts down her telepathy.
It seems Jean has a sister too, Sarah. (Does this person ever get mutant powers?).
Sarah is a normal human. Her children are mutants. See X-Factor #40 (volume 1):
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97452433904.40.GIF
Sarah's house explodes in X-Factor #12 & she is revealed to missing for some time.
Sarah's first full appearance is Uncanny X-Men #136, although her name is mentioned in the original X-Men stories:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.136.GIF
Sarah's husband Paul also appears in Uncanny X-Men #138 at Jean's funeral.
Joe Acro
08-18-2008, 10:18 AM
Sarah is a normal human. Her children are mutants.
I think that's was and were. They were slaughtered with the rest of the Greys, right?
LawGiver
08-18-2008, 10:20 AM
Bizarre Adventures #27 is not mentioned at all in the story. To understand the context of this book, Bizarre Adventures #27 must be discussed. Sean McKeever just did not pull this story out of the blue. It came from Bizarre Adventures #27. Bizare Adventures is an obscure book as it is. But this story is continually referenced.
Was this a test to see how times we could say Bizarre Adventures #27 in one post?
Like you said, Bizarre Adventures #27 is an obsecure story, this was meant to be a refreshing retelling of Bizarre Adventures #27, instead of re-releasing Bizarre Adventures #27 they repacked it with georgous art and called it this, thus there was no reason to refer to Bizarre Adventures #27.
I win.
Falconen
08-18-2008, 10:24 AM
I happen to like DDM's contributions to the topics. It exposes readers to more that they might not have known about, and encourages them to possibly seek out these books.
worstblogever
08-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Was this a test to see how times we could say Bizarre Adventures #27 in one post?
Like you said, Bizarre Adventures #27 is an obsecure story, this was meant to be a refreshing retelling of Bizarre Adventures #27, instead of re-releasing Bizarre Adventures #27 they repacked it with georgous art and called it this, thus there was no reason to refer to Bizarre Adventures #27.
I win.
Kind of like the Tootsie Pop commercials that way, isn't it?
Henry T.
08-18-2008, 10:55 AM
Jean Grey was never a Phoenix that saved the universe.
Jean Grey as Phoenix helped save the universe in Uncanny X-Men #108, X-Men Forever #6, and New X-Men #154.
Originally the original Phoenix/Dark Phoenix had been Jean Grey. However even the most radical form of the retcon put forth in Excal. 52 admits that a part of Jean had become one with the Phoenix Force and that part was later returned to Jean. So no matter what a portion of the real Jean's consciousness had been Phoenix and that part rejoined with her.
Jean was also shown having the Phoenix in her mind as a preteen in Classic X-Men #42. She was shown having a connection to the Phoenix as Marvel Girl during the original X-Men days in X-Men the Hidden Years #8,#9 and X-Men First Class #8.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/CLSSC421.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/hidden.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanfc8.jpg
Anyways, people shouldn't pick on DDM for posting his continuity lessons because that is what he has always done for many many years, here on this board and others. Its the role he plays.
Having said that, I've been in arguments with him in the past because his view of the comic history is sometimes biased.
About Jean Grey Origins: I thought it was great. It was a cute little story that showed us how Jean coped with Anne and why Xavier put blocks in her mind. Jean visiting Anne's grave, dealing with her "ghost", and saving people in the ambulance was all new and added nicely to Jean's character. Jean losing control in the mall was also new and showed her power and why Xavier had to put blocks in her mind.
The Thunderbird
08-18-2008, 11:05 AM
Anyone else think the smile on Xavier's face is a little creepy when Jean Grey talks to him in his office?
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/10806373230.27.GIF
The Marvel editors should have included a reprint of Chris Claremont & Sal Buscema's Phoenix story in X-Men Origins: Jean Grey; it would have helped given the story a better context since the editors did not cite Bizarre Adventures #27 in the book.
Hopefully, the editors have learned from their mistake & will include the the Beast origin from the original X-Men story in his X-Men Origins: Beast next month.
Anyone else think the smile on Xavier's face is a little creepy when Jean Grey talks to him in his office?
What's creepy about Professor Xavier smiling? He can't show any emotions at all? Xavier is still human.
jarrod
08-18-2008, 03:25 PM
Sarah is a normal human. Her children are mutants.
I remember it being speculated she was a latent mutant as well, her powers just never activating but being passed down to the twins.
She was one of Claremont's suggestions for X-Factor in place of Jean too iirc (along with Tessa or Dazzler).
I remember it being speculated she was a latent mutant as well, her powers just never activating but being passed down to the twins.
She was one of Claremont's suggestions for X-Factor in place of Jean too iirc (along with Tessa or Dazzler).
Since it never was published, it never happened. Sarah is still a human--not mutant.
Henry T.
08-18-2008, 03:42 PM
They may not have cited Bizarre Adventures #27 in the book (they rarely do cite earlier stories anymore- thankfully as that makes books appear too continuity heavy, imho)....
But McKeever (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16902) has acknowledged the source material in interviews and message boards...
Sean McKeever told CBR News. “We took elements of the origin story from ‘Bizarre Adventures,’ plus ‘Children of the Atom,’ some backup material from ‘Classic X-Men’ and a couple other sources to put together what I feel is a very strong, definitive tale for a character very much deserving of a full-length origin treatment.”
I didn't see where they used any material from Classic X-Men though.
At Jinxworld forums (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=153588), Sean McKeever mentioned Bizarre Adventures #27 and even posted the cover when another fan asked about it on page 2 of the thread...
Mike Mayhew's been showing off production art on my site for August's 30-page X-MEN ORIGINS: JEAN GREY story, most recently adding a finished splash page. Thought I'd share these gems with you all.
The one-shot is a lot like Paul Jenkins' MYTHOS series in that it offers an updated origin. We worked from the black-and-white Claremont origin story in Bizarre Adventures, the Joe Casey Children of the Atom mini-series and other sources to piece this story together, and Mayhew's worked with paid models to put together a watercolor-painted, sequential-art beauty.
They may not have cited Bizarre Adventures #27 in the book (they rarely do cite earlier stories anymore- thankfully as that makes books appear too continuity heavy, imho)....
But McKeever (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16902) has acknowledged the source material in interviews and message boards...
I didn't see where they used any material from Classic X-Men though.
At Jinxworld forums (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=153588), Sean McKeever mentioned Bizarre Adventures #27 and even posted the cover when another fan asked about it on page 2 of the thread...
Editors should not leave it up to the internet to fill the holes in the story. That's why they are editors. Citing other sources actually help the primary story.
Joe Acro
08-18-2008, 03:51 PM
Editors should not leave it up to the internet to fill the holes in the story. That's why they are editors. Citing other sources actually help the primary story.
I'm all for editors citing stories. I fail to see why that's needed here.
Dagger
08-18-2008, 03:55 PM
What's creepy about Professor Xavier smiling? He can't show any emotions at all? Xavier is still human.
It could be inferred as possibly showing his budding romantic interest in the young teenage Jean Grey. And that is creepy.
It could be inferred as possibly showing his budding romantic interest in the young teenage Jean Grey. And that is creepy.
I did not read any romantic interest Charles Xavier has for Jean in this specific story.
I'm all for editors citing stories. I fail to see why that's needed here.
This is where X-Men Origins: Jean Grey comes from, in this case, Bizarre Adventures #27...
Joe Acro
08-18-2008, 07:15 PM
This is where X-Men Origins: Jean Grey comes from, in this case, Bizarre Adventures #27...Well, yes, but it still seems unnecessary. Retelling origins never gets that kind of treatment, unless maybe if it's done in flashback during an ongoing story.
It's just not needed. No one needs to read that story to better understand this story. I could understand if an important detail were missing or something, maybe, but that's not the case.
Timeslip
08-18-2008, 07:23 PM
Simply put, nobody needs to read Bizarre Adventures #27. No matter how much bold print you put in a post, it doesn't make it more important.
timbox
08-18-2008, 08:41 PM
I can't wait to read Bizarre Adventures #27.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanfc8.jpg
What issue is this from?
Seikun21
08-18-2008, 08:47 PM
What issue is this from?
An issue of X-men First Class I believe. I'm not sure which.
An issue of X-men First Class I believe. I'm not sure which.
Ooo.... I need the issue number!!!!!!~~~~~~ :o
Dagger
08-18-2008, 08:52 PM
I did not read any romantic interest Charles Xavier has for Jean in this specific story.
Maybe, maybe not. But he did for her at one point in time. People could infer that this story planted the seeds for such romantic thoughts.
Henry T.
08-18-2008, 09:03 PM
Ooo.... I need the issue number!!!!!!~~~~~~ :o
X-Men First Class vol. 2 #8
In the previous issues the X-Men's powers are temporarily amped and Jean demonstrates powerful tk (feats similar to her X-Factor days) and Warren displays his healing touch.
In Issue #8 we get glimpses into what the original X-Men will become thanks to Man Thing and his nexus of realities. Beast is temporarily changed into blue fur beast and Iceman is shown to have the potential to freeze cities. Jean is temporarily taken into a possible future self where she has been reborn as Phoenix and is the sole victor of a mutant war. Apparently the deaths of Scott and Xavier caused her to go Dark and she pulls the mutation out of the remaining mutants. Scott manages to pull Jean out of her (possible future self). At the end they are pretty much confused about what happened. Just like how in Classic #42 it was a subconscious aspect of Jean that manifested as Phoenix and in Hidden Years #8 Jean forgets her vision of and contact with Phoenix after the encounter.
Yogaflame
08-18-2008, 09:27 PM
Second attempt. Prof X gets Jean nice and ready, but even though Jean is better, Prof X says she needs more, and instead of leaving her at home, takes her to the school for gifted children. There she trains with the X-Men, but she's not much good at it. The X-Men get a call to go on a mission, and they find out Jean didn't make it on the plane when they fight Magneto.
.
Wasn't Jean present for that first fight against Magneto? Or is this some other first fight with Magneto?
:confused:
Henry T.
08-18-2008, 09:32 PM
Wasn't Jean present for that first fight against Magneto? Or is this some other first fight with Magneto?
:confused:
Yes. She used her tk to steer some missiles into the bay.
I don't think Origins Jean is trying to retcon over that as Xavier mentioned Jean doing more impressive stunts in the field with her tk and their very first mission in the field was fighting Magneto in [Uncanny] X-Men #1.
So I think this battle with Magneto takes place sometime after their first battle with him.
Squidboy
08-18-2008, 10:20 PM
I can't wait to read Bizarre Adventures #27.
What does Bizarre Adventures #27 have to do with this thread at all? From what I can tell, this is the very first time the origins of Jean Grey is being told in print, and this Bizarre Adventures #27 is just some unrelated Bizarre Adventure.
Seriously though, I'm wondering how many Origins they can get away with before fans realize it's just the stories they already know just told with new art. I've heard good things about the Colossus issue, and this Jean issue seems like it's good, but after Carey's Beast origin, how many characters' origins could Marvel really get away with telling? Or could they use this new mini format to fully tell the really vague origin stories with characters like Gambit, Chamber, or Armor. Or just cement The Draco in continuity by retelling Uncanny X-Men #428 with some of the behind-the-scenes stuff, such as Azazel and Margali coming to their agreement on what to do with Kurt.
Dagger
08-18-2008, 10:43 PM
Wasn't Jean present for that first fight against Magneto? Or is this some other first fight with Magneto?
:confused:
This is referencing Joe Casey's X-Men:Children of the Atom mini they fought sans Jean, and she was saved by a empathic boy with healing powers.
X-Men First Class vol. 2 #8
In the previous issues the X-Men's powers are temporarily amped and Jean demonstrates powerful tk (feats similar to her X-Factor days) and Warren displays his healing touch.
In Issue #8 we get glimpses into what the original X-Men will become thanks to Man Thing and his nexus of realities. Beast is temporarily changed into blue fur beast and Iceman is shown to have the potential to freeze cities. Jean is temporarily taken into a possible future self where she has been reborn as Phoenix and is the sole victor of a mutant war. Apparently the deaths of Scott and Xavier caused her to go Dark and she pulls the mutation out of the remaining mutants. Scott manages to pull Jean out of her (possible future self). At the end they are pretty much confused about what happened. Just like how in Classic #42 it was a subconscious aspect of Jean that manifested as Phoenix and in Hidden Years #8 Jean forgets her vision of and contact with Phoenix after the encounter.
Thanks a whole bunch :)
What does Bizarre Adventures #27 have to do with this thread at all? From what I can tell, this is the very first time the origins of Jean Grey is being told in print, and this Bizarre Adventures #27 is just some unrelated Bizarre Adventure.
Seriously though, I'm wondering how many Origins they can get away with before fans realize it's just the stories they already know just told with new art. I've heard good things about the Colossus issue, and this Jean issue seems like it's good, but after Carey's Beast origin, how many characters' origins could Marvel really get away with telling? Or could they use this new mini format to fully tell the really vague origin stories with characters like Gambit, Chamber, or Armor. Or just cement The Draco in continuity by retelling Uncanny X-Men #428 with some of the behind-the-scenes stuff, such as Azazel and Margali coming to their agreement on what to do with Kurt.
No, Bizarre Adventures #27 is a key part of Jean Grey's origin given this is the source for her telepathy which had previously never been properly explained in the original X-Men stories. Where does Annie Richardson come from? When does Charles Xavier first meet Jean Grey & her parents? Bizarre Adventures #27. True, this is a flashback, but it's an important flashback.
Given your statements above, you have obviously have not read the story.
ProfeZZor X
08-20-2008, 09:18 AM
To understand the context of this story, read Bizarre Adventures #27:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/10806373230.27.GIF
Sara Grey visits Jean's grave as she remembers she had with her sister when Attuma kidnapped Sarah & Jean; he turned them into Homo-Mermanus, water breating humans, to mate with them so he could have an army of mutant children to take over the surface world. However, Attuma underestimates Phoenix as she easily turns the tide of the battle. When Jean becomes Phoenix, she instinctively transforms back to herself. Sarah is another matter. Jean is afraid she might kill her, but she does telekinetically rearrange the molecules of Sarah's entire genetic structure to transform her back into a human. This story takes place between Uncanny X-Men #109 & Uncanny X-Men #110. This story has been referenced in X-Factor Annual #4 when Attuma mistakes Marvel Girl for Phoenix. Beast saves her only to taken by the Deviant priest lord, Ghaur & Uncanny X-Men Annual #14 by Rachel Summers, Phoenix.
Within this flashback is another flashback: A young Jean Grey plays with her best friend, Annie Richardson; Annie is hit by a car when the Frisbee lands in a blind spot. As a result, Jean's telepathy manifests prematurely. Jean withdraws to keep peoples' thoughts away from her. Her father then contacts Xavier through his connection as a university professor. Charles Xavier places psychic circuit breakers within Jean's mind until she is mature enough to deal with her telepathy. These same psychic circuit breakers re-emerged after Jean Grey became Phoenix & saved the universe to keep her power at a level she could handle. This story has been referenced in Classic X-Men #2 & alluded to in Uncanny X-Men #136 (pre-dating the publication of this story).
What does her story have to do with Nightcrawler and Iceman?
MartinRedmond
08-20-2008, 09:39 AM
The artwork was very good. It's hard to tell if it was digital or watercolors. I would've liked the Grey's home to have been on model since it was so cool, but that's okay.
What does her story have to do with Nightcrawler and Iceman?
The magazine has 3 different stories featuring Phoenix, Iceman, & Nightcrawler.
ProfeZZor X
08-20-2008, 11:29 AM
The magazine has 3 different stories featuring Phoenix, Iceman, & Nightcrawler.
I may just have to pick that book up then. Thanks for the tip...
Valeria Kementari
08-20-2008, 12:30 PM
I loved the fact they respected the real origin and didn't put any Phoenix crap in it.
I loved the fact they respected the real origin and didn't put any Phoenix crap in it.
This story takes place long before Xavier formed the X-Men. He spent several years with Jean Grey in helping her learn to control her telekinesis & shut down Jean's telepathy, although it does show when she first joined Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters near the end. At this point, Jean has more control over her telekinesis than when she first manifested her abilities. In the context of this story, it is still several more years before Jean becomes Phoenix as shown in Uncanny X-Men #98-101.
I may just have to pick that book up then. Thanks for the tip...
Mary Jo Duffy--who would also write for Classic X-Men & create Fallen Angels--writes the Iceman & Nightcrawler stories. George Perez is the artist for the Iceman story.
Slung
08-20-2008, 01:00 PM
I loved the fact they respected the real origin and didn't put any Phoenix crap in it.
These "real origins" were written by Claremont. Claremont wrote the Phoenix into these stories when he wrote them (having Jean manifest the Phoenix at a young age in back stories of Classic X-Men).
This story takes place long before Xavier formed the X-Men. He spent several years with Jean Grey in helping her learn to control her telekinesis & shut down Jean's telepathy, although it does show when she first joined Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters near the end. At this point, Jean has more control over her telekinesis than when she first manifested her abilities. In the context of this story, it is still several more years before Jean becomes Phoenix as shown in Uncanny X-Men #98-101.
See above.
Henry T.
08-20-2008, 01:04 PM
This story takes place long before Xavier formed the X-Men. He spent several years with Jean Grey in helping her learn to control her telekinesis & shut down Jean's telepathy, although it does show when she first joined Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters near the end. At this point, Jean has more control over her telekinesis than when she first manifested her abilities. In the context of this story, it is still several more years before Jean becomes Phoenix as shown in Uncanny X-Men #98-101.
What about the Classic X-Men #42 backstory written by Claremont that showed that the Phoenix was an aspect of Jean's preteen mind during the time Xavier worked with her after the Anne incidient?
I posted the scan earlier in this thread.
This event (preteen Jean reaching out with the Phoenix and touching young Scott's mind in the orphanage) was referenced by Death in Classic #43 and by the Phoenix in Endsong #4.
I don't mind that this wasn't referenced in Origins Jean but if they had wanted to explore it, they could have.
What about the Classic X-Men #42 backstory written by Claremont that showed that the Phoenix was an aspect of Jean's preteen mind during the time Xavier worked with her after the Anne incidient?
I posted the scan earlier in this thread.
This event (preteen Jean reaching out with the Phoenix and touching young Scott's mind in the orphanage) was referenced by Death in Classic #43 and by the Phoenix in Endsong #4.
I don't mind that this wasn't referenced in Origins Jean but if they had wanted to explore it, they could have.
Jean Grey as Phoenix is another subject entirely. As I said before, Xavier spent years working with Jean before he founded the X-Men.
Valeria Kementari
08-20-2008, 01:28 PM
For all we kow that "aspect" of Jean was just a "look into the future" and nothing more, Ororo had a similar revelation in Ororo: Before the Storm. IT's nothing, I was afraid they were gonna maker her do Phoenix effects or something like that, which, luckyly they didn't.
Henry T.
08-20-2008, 01:33 PM
Jean Grey as Phoenix is another subject entirely. As I said before, Xavier spent years working with Jean before he founded the X-Men.
Oh ok.
Anyways, here are pics of the event and the issues that referenced it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/clss42-d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/cxmen43d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/endsong4.jpg
Oh ok.
Anyways, here are pics of the event and the issues that referenced it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/clss42-d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/cxmen43d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/endsong4.jpg
I know about Classic X-Men #42-43 with Mister Sinister as the primary story; however, this does not change the initial origin of Jean Grey in X-Men Origins: Jean Grey & Bizarre Adventures #27.
fitditz
08-20-2008, 05:28 PM
While I absolutely loved the art the writing was just OK (nothing special, nothing new). On the strength of art alone I gave it an 8/10.
For Bizarre Adventures #27 "Phoenix" story, John Buscema is the artist with the Chris Claremont story.
Chris Claremont was a regular contributer to Bizarre Adventures since he also penned the "Daughters of the Dragon" story from Bizarre Adventures #25 with Marshall Rogers art. He also had the ongoing "Maranda the She-Wolf" storyline with artist, John Bolton in the magazine. John Bolton would reunite with Chris Claremont 5 years later for Classic X-Men.
_Jayme_
08-20-2008, 08:40 PM
The last page was gorgeous..Overall it wasn't that bad. Just kind of a boring story..
Art definitely out shined the story.
I love when DDM drops the knowledge on us. His posts are awesome.
As a budding scientist-to-be who is taught day in and day out to "cite my references", make bibliographies and other crap like that, I can definitely understand the importance of citing primary sources. I loved the annotations at the back of Avengers Forever, for example.
I do believe that it is important that readers realize that very little in this book was created by McKeever himself. He took a lot of what was previously made, and synthesized it into a nice, cohesive whole. And I want to be clear, I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But I do think that the original stories themselves should be cited as well. They do contribute at least as much as McKeever to this issue. At the very least, the credits page should have something like, "Based upon stories originally presented in..." so-and-so issues.
I'm not really comfortable with the idea of someone picking up this issue and getting the idea that McKeever created the Annie Richardson plotline. Not citing the primary sources runs the risk of giving the re-teller too much credit and the original tellers too little credit.
Having said that, I really enjoyed the art in this issue. Beautiful work.
Gloom Cookie
08-25-2008, 07:17 AM
I'm not really comfortable with the idea of someone picking up this issue and getting the idea that McKeever created the Annie Richardson plotline. Not citing the primary sources runs the risk of giving the re-teller too much credit and the original tellers too little credit.
Considering the character has been in existence for over 40 years, I don't see why one would think that. Origins are retold every now and again, and this issue is no different. Comics don't need to cite the sources every time, especially considering one can easily find out for themselves.
Having said that, I really enjoyed the art in this issue. Beautiful work.
I agree, I liked it a lot.
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