Who is Logan's coolest female protege?

[XaviersMisprint]

It is fairly obvious that there is an ongoing trend of using younger female characetrs to bring out the soft side to Logan. It all started with Kitty Pryde, and now it has gone all the way to being Pixie, Armor, and X-23 simultaneously! This thread is where we all decide which of these characters are the coolest, or most effective for humanizing Wolverine!

That, or just post your favorite images of Logan and his young Padawan learners, discuss old issues or storylines, or just the characters themselves. What was your favorite storyline featuring Wolverine plus a sidekick?

Who is your favorite out of all of Wolverine's young sidekicks?

Discuss. :)

[timbox]

X-23 isn't his protege.

Armor is the bestest.

[XaviersMisprint]

X-23 isn't his protege.

Armor is the bestest.

She's his daughter, and they have teamed up multiple times. She counts!

[The Black Guardian]

Kitty Pryde!

[Seikun21]

Let's see there's Kitty, Jubilee, X-23, Armor, and Pixie. Of course you could also count his daughter Amiko. Any one else? There should be a poll

[Seikun21]

She's his daughter, and they have teamed up multiple times. She counts!

Closer to being his sister I think

[timbox]

X-23 could destroy Wolverine, she doesn't count!

[Flâneur]

Um, Karma and Dani?? Wut? Not Wolvie girls.

[XaviersMisprint]

Let's see there's Kitty, Jubilee, X-23, Armor, and Pixie. Of course you could also count his daught Amiko. Any one else? There should be a poll

you guys all got to it too quickly! there's a poll now. i included psylocke because they teamed up a lot during the 90's and after she was ninja-fied. karma because of their little stoyryline in the early wolverine issues, dani moonstar for their short-lived team-up in the early 100's of the adjectiveless x-men series, right before the x-men went leather.

[Flâneur]

I pick Cyclops as his best sidekick then.

[FreeFallin]

armor's power and personality seems best as wolverines sidekick so her

[XaviersMisprint]

I pick Cyclops as his best sidekick then.

not a female :(

then again, give it a few more years, they'll probably make a female version to go along with lady bullseye, loki, miss sinister, lady kraven, etc...

[Seikun21]

I pick Cyclops as his best sidekick then.

No way Scott is way taller, Wolvie is his sidekick.

[AbsurdistEmergence]

I always wondered why Wolverine has been drawn to protect over the young women of the x-men. It seems that his own dislike of himself has pushed him towards looking over people like Jubilee and currently, Armour. He would gladly sacrifice himself to save them and as long as they are near him, he will do everything in his power to save them. What does everyone here think?

I voted for Jubilee.

[metalgorgomon]

Psylocke?? LOL. Why she's even on that list? I don't think she ever been his young sidekick/protege/partner.


That aside, I think Kitty is the coolest.

[Flâneur]

No way Scott is way taller, Wolvie is his sidekick.

Since Cyclops spends most of his time upon his knees I'd say the height isn't really a factor.

[Scavenger]

It's always Kitty, followed by Rogue.

Armor brings nothing other than an awareness that she's not Kitty, Rogue, or Jubilee.

I always wondered why Wolverine has been drawn to protect over the young women of the x-men. .

Well, there is/was a strong rumor that Claremont decided that Wolverine's one true love is Kitty. So, discuss.

[PatchMadripoor]

Jubilee (back then).

She gets to talk back to Logan. And Logan didn't give his hat to Kitty when he left the X-men after the adamantium was pulled from his body.


Now, gotta be Armor.

[XaviersMisprint]

Here are some photos I could find of him and some of his partners. Post more!

Kitty Pryde aka Shadowcat aka Sprite aka Ariel!

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[XaviersMisprint]

Jubilation Lee aka Jubilee

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[XaviersMisprint]

Kitty Pryde and Jubilation Lee

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[XaviersMisprint]

Anna Raven aka Rogue

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[XaviersMisprint]

Betsy Braddock aka Psylocke (eh... and Jubilee)

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/Christophe14/jubileepsylocke.gif


Xi'an Coy Manh aka Karma

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/Christophe14/karma1.gif


Rachel Summers aka Phoenix aka Marvel Girl (eh... its a stretch, for sure.)

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[XaviersMisprint]

Laura Kinney aka Talon aka X-23

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Meghan Gwynn aka Pixie

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/Christophe14/pixie1.jpg


Hisako Ichiki aka Armor

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/Christophe14/armor1.gif

[cgar]

i always liked the partnership of Logan, Betsy, and Jubilee

[XaviersMisprint]

i always liked the partnership of Logan, Betsy, and Jubilee

thank GOD someone remembers that time! everyone else is like "...psylocke? PSYLOCKE? what are you talking about?" but there was a time when betsy and jubilee were like his Lil' Hoochies. it was the Madripoor days, right? around the 260's? and even during the very early jim lee adjectiveless x-men.

[cgar]

yah those were it. but everyone HATES on Psylocke but whatever. Jubilee was cool in those issues. they kinda watched over the old man lol

[XaviersMisprint]

yeah, it was during x-tinction agenda too, i think. they were kind of a cool group, it was like logan and the new team of x-characters, later joined by gambit. it was new, exciting. of course, i wasn't even born when it was all first starting so what do i know? hahaha.

[autbey]

Kitty.

I don't get the fascination with Armor, I haven't seen her do anything to warrant it. There is nothing special about her.

[Peeps]

actually it was more during the acts of vengence and after that jubes and betsy and logan came together

i definately think its kitty

[XaviersMisprint]

actually it was more during the acts of vengence and after that jubes and betsy and logan came together

i definately think its kitty

yeah yeah, the lady mandarin stuff. but after that is when a lot of that team up occured. i remember... the 260's were sooo scattered, storywise. one issue you had psylocke, logan and jubilee, the next was little storm and gambit, plus the nanny and orphan maker, then there was a story arc about forge and x-factor (for SOME reason, they thought that would be a good idea?), then wolverine and captain america and black widow, then rogue and ms. marvel. very confusing times! the x-men weren't really a team during this time period at all...

[Dagger]

yeah yeah, the lady mandarin stuff. but after that is when a lot of that team up occured. i remember... the 260's were sooo scattered, storywise. one issue you had psylocke, logan and jubilee, the next was little storm and gambit, plus the nanny and orphan maker, then there was a story arc about forge and x-factor (for SOME reason, they thought that would be a good idea?), then wolverine and captain america and black widow, then rogue and ms. marvel. very confusing times! the x-men weren't really a team during this time period at all...
Oh yeah!!! Some of my favorite stories happened right around that period of time! I remember how much I LOVED it when Psylocke was turned all ninja bad ass, and how I thought it was just the coolest period EVER. Hell, I even loved Wolverine back then! Who'da thought?

[Cub]

Oh, come on, how can anyone think it is anyone other than Kitty? The inclusion of girls like Moonstar and Karma is laughable, Rogue has always been her own character and was only retconned as a protege due to the movies, newly asian Psylocke in the late 80s was Wolvie's partner, not protege.

x-23 I could really not care less about.

Armor is cool, I suppose, but she is so obviously the neophyte POV character that someone like Kitty originated that she can't get full credit. Plus, she seems so forced into the new astonishing lineup that it's ridiculous. That team would simply never keep her as a member once the whole breakworld nonsense was over. They have more powerful and experienced x-men to choose from, even from the junior class.

It basically comes down to Kitty vs. Jubilee, as it should. And while Jubes is clearly a late 80s/90s revamp of the whole Kitty construct, it was done very well. I looooooved Jubilee (granted I started reading right around x-men #1 vol 2). She was sassy, she was funny, she was insecure, she was talented even when she didn't know what the hell she was doing.

But what have I typed that can't be said for Kitty? She is the prototype. And she's become a superhero in her own right, stepping out of Wolvie's shadow. She was destined to be a fighter with or without Logans influence.

The answer is Kitty. It will always be Kitty.

[metalgorgomon]

thank GOD someone remembers that time! everyone else is like "...psylocke? PSYLOCKE? what are you talking about?" but there was a time when betsy and jubilee were like his Lil' Hoochies. it was the Madripoor days, right? around the 260's? and even during the very early jim lee adjectiveless x-men.

yeah, it was during x-tinction agenda too, i think. they were kind of a cool group, it was like logan and the new team of x-characters, later joined by gambit. it was new, exciting. of course, i wasn't even born when it was all first starting so what do i know? hahaha.

Well.. I remember those issues too. I always loved Logan, Betsy and Jubilee partnership. I'm not questioning whether they have partenered togehter or not. I just don't think Betsy falls into the category of Wolverine's "young protege" as suggested by this thread as she's not that young in those issues and she's already joined the X-men quite sometime before the madripoor/mandarin stuff happened.
Glad you like it as well :smile:

[MuhollandDriver]

Wow....that panel with Wolverine holding Jubilee got me a bit misty eyed.

Kitty Pryde...tho Jubilee did have good moments with Wolvie.

These days? i really think Anole should be his protigee. It would be something different. He has the smarts, humor, wide-eyedness, and angst to pull it off.

Pixie and Armor do not cut it for me. Pixie is moderately humorous...Armor has a cool power....that is all i really notice about either of them. Neither are anything fresh or new.

[jarrod]

YES! Logan & Vic needs to happen!

[Leogam]

why does he always have to have a female sidekick, some change would be good. Wish he would have a young male sidekick, to teach him about life, girls, sex, u know teach him how to be a man and stuff. there's been too much estrogen

[Quinnhop]

#1: Kitty
#2: Hisako
#3: Rogue

[Leogam]

Wow....that panel with Wolverine holding Jubilee got me a bit misty eyed.

Kitty Pryde...tho Jubilee did have good moments with Wolvie.

These days? i really think Anole should be his protigee. It would be something different. He has the smarts, humor, wide-eyedness, and angst to pull it off.

Pixie and Armor do not cut it for me. Pixie is moderately humorous...Armor has a cool power....that is all i really notice about either of them. Neither are anything fresh or new.


I think it would also be a challenge for Logan to mentor a protigee who happens to be gay, something Im sure would make him unsure & maybe a little uncomfortable. But I can also see Scott take him under his wing & teach him the facts of life

[Slung]

I think it would also be a challenge for Logan to mentor a protigee who happens to be gay, something Im sure would make him unsure & maybe a little uncomfortable. But I can also see Scott take him under his wing & teach him the facts of life

I don't think Logan would bat an eye to Vic's sexuality. Remember, its been said by Chris Claremont that Logan is probably "any port in the storm" bisexual. He just doesn't care about stuff like that. He's been around too long and seen too much to get hung up about it.

[steve2275]

katya the missing

[Will.S]

In order:

1) Kitty Pryde

2) Jubilee

3) Hisako

[Will.S]

In order:

1) Kitty Pryde

2) Jubilee

3) Hisako

[HeckBoy]

Well, Jubilee was Wolverine's protege when I first started reading comics, so I have a soft spot for her over Kitty in those regards. Of the new kids (X-23, Armor, Pixie), I probably enjoy the Pixie moments the most, but Armor's a close second, if only b/c she's been so focused upon over in Astonishing

[chickrockguitar]

She's his daughter, and they have teamed up multiple times. She counts!She does indeed count! But Logan calls her his "SISTER". Not daugther. :biggrin:

EDIT:
And that scene between Logan and Jubilee was all "Awwww!".

[hawkeye comeback]

gotta be Kitty. havent read alot of jubilee stuff so i cant talk about her and i never viewed rogue as wolvies protoge

[XaviersMisprint]

Wow....that panel with Wolverine holding Jubilee got me a bit misty eyed.

Kitty Pryde...tho Jubilee did have good moments with Wolvie.

These days? i really think Anole should be his protigee. It would be something different. He has the smarts, humor, wide-eyedness, and angst to pull it off.

Pixie and Armor do not cut it for me. Pixie is moderately humorous...Armor has a cool power....that is all i really notice about either of them. Neither are anything fresh or new.


haha seriously! from the day that victor got his new freak arm and started getting a little more focus, i said... this kid should be wolverine's new kid. he fits perfectly and he could be the absolute robin to wolverine's batman, while still having his own character and iconic appearance. that, or gentle would be a cool partner as well, considering he's all "non-violence and meditating" and logan's all "ima cutcha bitch".

[XaviersMisprint]

Oh, come on, how can anyone think it is anyone other than Kitty? The inclusion of girls like Moonstar and Karma is laughable, Rogue has always been her own character and was only retconned as a protege due to the movies, newly asian Psylocke in the late 80s was Wolvie's partner, not protege.



I just wanted to include a few others so people didn't yell at me and say "well there was one time where Wolverine was in the same panel as this character and they should count!!!1!!" Plus, if therer weren't lame choices, the great would have nothing to outshine :)

And the majority of the images I posted with Logan and Rogue were from long before the movie. He took her under his wing as soon as she joined the X-Men and they partnered up in Japan and held a bond like that for... ever. it counts. i see why psylocke, karma, and moonstar may not, but rogue definitely counts.

[Trississ]

X-23 could destroy Wolverine, she doesn't count!

I <3 timbox

[MuhollandDriver]

I think it would also be a challenge for Logan to mentor a protigee who happens to be gay, something Im sure would make him unsure & maybe a little uncomfortable. But I can also see Scott take him under his wing & teach him the facts of life

No it wouldn't. Why does every story with a gay person have to be about the straight person's discomfort?

Stereotypical and stoopid.

Everyone know's Vic is gay and they love the kid all the more for it. i do not think Wolverine has a homophobic bone in his body. Why do You think he does? Wolverine can be quite ruthless, self-loathing, and rough around the edges. He is also aware, sensitive, and quite wise.

i would rather see Victor makes friends, live it up in san fran, save the day a few times, learn what he needs to learn from Wolvie, act cool, fall in love.

If anyone were to have an issue with him...i'd rather Vic just whop them with his tongue or big arm and walk on.

Does anyone really want to see Anole trapped in a heterosexual discomfort plot?

[timbox]

Do gay people really make straight people uncomfortable?

[MuhollandDriver]

i think logan's relationship with x-23 is disgusting and boarderline abusive just read x-force. logan seems to only like having female proteges that are innocent like armor and kitty but if there as corrupt as him he talks down to them.

Yes. This is likely a reflection of his own self-loathing aspects.

[HeckBoy]

i think logan's relationship with x-23 is disgusting and boarderline abusive just read x-force. logan seems to only like having female proteges that are innocent like armor and kitty but if there as corrupt as him he talks down to them.I just rationalize it as X-23 reminding him of his past and what could've been if he never escaped Weapon X. Basically, as much as he wants to help her, she's also a living bad dream for him and I'm sure that would irk anyone who'd have to see it constantly. Plus, since there's a genetic link between them (along w/ her having a healing factor), she's more or less "family," so I guess Wolverine doesn't feel like he has to pull his punches with her cuz she can handle it.

[KittyPryde]

Kitty. The original protege is the bestest! :smile:

[Dagger]

Do gay people really make straight people uncomfortable?
Unfortunately...sometimes. A few weeks ago, my bf and I kissed at a bar we frequent and this guy freaked out. He made such a big deal about it calling us fags, queers and other stuff, that my roommate jumped all over him, as well as another friend when she got there, and the bartender who's a friend of ours.

[Swashbuckler]

The answer is totally JUBILEE!!

She freakin' rocked. She went on far more missions with him then lame-o Pryde. She also had a better relationship with him in my opinion. It carried on to this very day. Wolverine NEVER showed up in Excalibur to visit Kitty, yet he showed up in Generation X and even New Warriors to look out for Jubes. Jubilee did well with the training he gave her. She's survived A LOT and learned what it means to be the best. Kitty, well, she eneded up in a giant bullet. Guess Logan skipped that lesson with her.

[DDM]

Psylocke?? LOL. Why she's even on that list? I don't think she ever been his young sidekick/protege/partner.


That aside, I think Kitty is the coolest.

Wolverine & Jubilee are ambushed by Lady Mandarin--Psylocke--in Uncanny X-Men #257; in Uncanny X-Men #258, the Hand attempts to brainwash Wolverine as they had previously done with Betsy. However, after Psylocke's psychic knife "locks" into Wolverine's madness, it undoes most of the Hand's conditioning on Betsy--reverting to her true self. From Uncanny X-Men #257-271, Psylocke, Wolverine, & Jubilee remain one faction of X-Men until they are reunited with the remaining X-Men, X-Factor, & New Mutants in Genosha.

[sephirothskiller]

I have to go with X-23 right now, because the relationship is more complex than any of the others. Though I do sort of feel that with Laura joining X-Force and executing tasks far more brutally than Logan does, (he regrets his nature, she doesn`t, etc...) he has sort of given up hope on her, and I hope that this is addressed later.

I missed most of Wolvie`s partnerships but the Jubilation one always intrigued me.

[metalgorgomon]

Wolverine & Jubilee are ambushed by Lady Mandarin--Psylocke--in Uncanny X-Men #257; in Uncanny X-Men #258, the Hand attempts to brainwash Wolverine as they had previously done with Betsy. However, after Psylocke's psychic knife "locks" into Wolverine's madness, it undoes most of the Hand's conditioning on Betsy--reverting to her true self. From Uncanny X-Men #257-271, Psylocke, Wolverine, & Jubilee remain one faction of X-Men until they are reunited with the remaining X-Men, X-Factor, & New Mutants in Genosha.

I read those issues, DDM. Well, maybe i put it in wrongly. I didn't question Betsy and Wolvie partnership. I questioned her being his 'protege'. I consider Psylocke-Wolverine relationship as a partnership. Unlike Wolvie with Kitty/Jubilee/Armor/Pixie/X-23.

Well maybe she was taught by him and acted as his sidekick/protege for a while. I just can't remember which issues they were.

[rZi]

Oh shoot! I voted Rogue when i actualy missed Kitty Pryde yet it was the first choice...

Come to think of it, he has had ALOT of female proteges...

[Dr Ray Palmer]

I don't really think of Rogue as Logan's protege exactly, although Uncanny #173 where she plays his sidekick in Japan may be my favorite single issue of any comic ever. Their relationship in that issue is really fantastic, and I don't think she's ever been more appealing than she is in that issue.

[bebopeva88]

In order of preference:

1) Kitty
2) Jubilee
3) Armor

[XaviersMisprint]

i really like basically all of them, and psylocke could definitely count as a "protege" because he's over 100 years old and she was what, 25 at the most during this time period? her age and wisdom was still nothing compared to his, and sure they seemed more like partners, but thats what wolverine and kitty are now, and wolverine and rogue, wolverine and jubilee. they just grow up and become equals. i think she still counts. even armor and pixie are his partners. they're teammates, not wolvie jr's.

[creaky]

i really like basically all of them, and psylocke could definitely count as a "protege" because he's over 100 years old and she was what, 25 at the most during this time period? her age and wisdom was still nothing compared to his, and sure they seemed more like partners, but thats what wolverine and kitty are now, and wolverine and rogue, wolverine and jubilee. they just grow up and become equals. i think she still counts. even armor and pixie are his partners. they're teammates, not wolvie jr's.

It's kind of funny, though, that no one ever thinks of Kurt as one of his proteges. He was only 19 or so when they first met and Logan is probably responsible for most of his training.

[XaviersMisprint]

It's kind of funny, though, that no one ever thinks of Kurt as one of his proteges. He was only 19 or so when they first met and Logan is probably responsible for most of his training.

i consider him to be one. anyone that logan has mentored or taught or even fought alongisde of exclusively. could be maybe partner more than protege as someone else mentioned, like spider-man wouldn't be his protege. but anyone that could be considered his sidekick at one point. cannonball counts, nightcrawler could count, even colossus is much younger than him, right? he was the youngest of the newer x-men, is that right? but this thread is for the female ones :).

[Slung]

i really like basically all of them, and psylocke could definitely count as a "protege" because he's over 100 years old and she was what, 25 at the most during this time period? her age and wisdom was still nothing compared to his, and sure they seemed more like partners, but thats what wolverine and kitty are now, and wolverine and rogue, wolverine and jubilee. they just grow up and become equals. i think she still counts. even armor and pixie are his partners. they're teammates, not wolvie jr's.

Actually, I think Betsy a little older than the rest of the X-Men, not like Banshee older or even Emma Frost older, but older. Someone back me up on this. Remember, her twin brother is Captain Britain.

[wolvie616]

Actually, I think Betsy a little older than the rest of the X-Men, not like Banshee older or even Emma Frost older, but older. Someone back me up on this. Remember, her twin brother is Captain Britain.

yeah i thought so too

by the way KITYY PRYDE EATS THE SOULs OF ALl other WOLVIE PROTOGE"S EXCPET jubilee and x23 THEY ONLY GET PASSES CAUSE THEY ENRICHED WOLVERINE"S LIFE

[DDM]

Actually, I think Betsy a little older than the rest of the X-Men, not like Banshee older or even Emma Frost older, but older. Someone back me up on this. Remember, her twin brother is Captain Britain.

Betsy & Brian is 30 years old.

[prince_nightcrawler]

Kitty came into her own so quickly, and was Wolverine's sidekick for so little, that she comes into this vote because she became a full-fledged X-Men in her own right, which is what you're all basing you're vote off of.

Jubilee is the right answer.

[marvell2100]

As far as fighting skills and attitude go, I would have to say Kitty. She even remembered how to keep changing her codename so as to throw her opponents off.

[RoguishGurl]

X-23 isn't his protege.

Armor is the bestest.

X-23 could destroy Wolverine, she doesn't count!

I have to agree with timbox. X-23 is not his sidekick.

[pariah-1972]

I would have to say Kitty Pryde cause she was the first so all the others are just imitations.

I really did like the witty banter Wolvie and Armor used to have but now that Joss is gone thats gone out the door.

[pariah-1972]

I would have to say Kitty Pryde cause she was the first so all the others are just imitations.

I really did like the witty banter Wolvie and Armor used to have but now that Joss is gone thats gone out the door.

[Dagger]

I don't really like Armor being his new partner/protege, mainly because it seems so forced. There's nothing organic about their relationship, unlike with Kitty and Jubilee. And I think I need to change my answer. I love Kitty, and she's by far the coolest, but Jubilee was defined by her role as Wolvie's sidekick. Unlike Kitty, she hasn't been able to outgrow her sidekickness like Kitty has. Other than her time in Generation X, she's been thrown to the wolves(pun) by marvel.

[nikbackm]

I don't really like Armor being his new partner/protege, mainly because it seems so forced. There's nothing organic about their relationship, unlike with Kitty and Jubilee. And I think I need to change my answer. I love Kitty, and she's by far the coolest, but Jubilee was defined by her role as Wolvie's sidekick. Unlike Kitty, she hasn't been able to outgrow her sidekickness like Kitty has. Other than her time in Generation X, she's been thrown to the wolves(pun) by marvel.

What kind of relationship do they currently have that would have needed to grow organically?

It's not like Wolverine and Armor have a Batman and Robin kind of relationship where they go out on solo adventures or anything. The most we have seen so far is some sparring sessions.

Their relationship, if you can call it that, began quite believable in the Torn arc where Wolverine was in pussy boy mode and had to hide behind Armor's skirts. Then they were also paired-up during the Breakworld arc.

[Dagger]

What kind of relationship do they currently have that would have needed to grow organically?

It's not like Wolverine and Armor have a Batman and Robin kind of relationship where they go out on solo adventures or anything. The most we have seen so far is some sparring sessions.

Their relationship, if you can call it that, began quite believable in the Torn arc where Wolverine was in pussy boy mode and had to hide behind Armor's skirts. Then they were also paired-up during the Breakworld arc.
They have a not very believable one.

If you look at his and Jubilee's, and to an extent, Kitty's adventures, that's exactly what they did. Heck, when Jubilee was nursing Wolverine back to health, that helped define her status as his ultimate side-kick.

I'm not saying Armor won't grow into a great side-kick, it's just that it hasn't really been done thus far. If the editors really want to portray her as the next big 'Wolvie's Angel' then have her go over to his book and be his side-kick for a few adventures.

[timbox]

It's hard for some people to accept Armor as Wolverine's protege, due to the fact that she stands on her own so well.

She's just an overall amazing character.

[Dagger]

It's hard for some people to accept Armor as Wolverine's protege, due to the fact that she stands on her own so well.

She's just an overall amazing character.
Oh, I agree. I do enjoy seeing Armor, I just don't find her relationship with Wolvie all that engaging. I honestly think she would have done better over in New X-Men than trying to be shoe-horned in as the next 'pov' character that they seem to be doing over in Astonishing right now.

[Seikun21]

It's hard for some people to accept Armor as Wolverine's protege, due to the fact that she stands on her own so well.

She's just an overall amazing character.

Hisako, Megan and Laura need to have a team up with Jubilation Lee where they will teleport to the space bullet and free Kitty.

[timbox]

Hisako, Megan and Laura need to have a team up with Jubilation Lee where they will teleport to the space bullet and free Kitty.

They might need Lila Cheney's teleportation skills for such a task.

Possibly Magik's.

[Seikun21]

They might need Lila Cheney's teleportation skills for such a task.

Possibly Magik's.

Definitely Illyana, she misses her best friend.

Plus Cheney is MIA

[jarrod]

Actually, I think Betsy a little older than the rest of the X-Men, not like Banshee older or even Emma Frost older, but older. Someone back me up on this. Remember, her twin brother is Captain Britain.
They're mid 30s now. They were 29-30 when the Mutant Massacre happened, which is when Betsy remarked Kitty was half her age.

Betsy was also already a supermodel when Hank joined the X-Men (at 19).

[nikbackm]

They have a not very believable one.

If you look at his and Jubilee's, and to an extent, Kitty's adventures, that's exactly what they did. Heck, when Jubilee was nursing Wolverine back to health, that helped define her status as his ultimate side-kick.

I'm not saying Armor won't grow into a great side-kick, it's just that it hasn't really been done thus far. If the editors really want to portray her as the next big 'Wolvie's Angel' then have her go over to his book and be his side-kick for a few adventures.

But who is saying that Armor currently IS Wolverine's side-kick? She might or might not grow into that role (hope not) but you make it seem as if Marvel want us to think she already is a side-kick.

[chickrockguitar]

timbox, can I ask where you Avi is from? :biggrin:

[timbox]

timbox, can I ask where you Avi is from? :biggrin:

SI: X-Men #1

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/393436-161679-armor_super.jpg

Isn't she hot?

[jarrod]

3 pages and no Trance mention? CBR disappoints yet again...

[Sean Walsh]

Jubilee was my immediate answer, with Kitty added because I'm terrible and forgot all about her.

[AdamYJ]

Jubilee. The contest pretty much comes down to Kitty vs Jubilee. And while I've learned to love Kitty, Jubilee is the winner for me. Unlike Kitty, who seemed so innocent, Jubilee seemed to have more in common with Logan. They were both restless souls and not very fond of listening to authority figures. Plus, Jubes actually seemed like she needed someone like Logan watching over her.

[Jota]

It's hard for some people to accept Armor as Wolverine's protege, due to the fact that she stands on her own so well.

She's just an overall amazing character.No, it's hard to accept Armour as Wolverine's protege because there's nothing beliveable or interesting in their relationship.
Kitty was a kid in the team in the time that was original and she needed to be protected and taught to survive. The "Kitty Pryde and Wolverine" mini series forged a relationship between the two. Claremont took time to develop their bond and make them a duo.
Jubilee saved Logan's life and they spent the next issues searching for the rest of the X-Men. That time together made them close.
Armor got teleported to the Sword ship by mistake and, sudently, Wolverine wants to make her an x-man, despite her having practicaly no relationship with him and having less experience then most of the "New X-Men" cast. They are not beliveable! They don't feel close in their scenes together, there's never the affection and kinsheep Logan had with Kitty and Jubilee. Their interaction is not interesting. Kitty and Jubilee brought up a side of Logan that is not seen often. His sensitive side. He never acts diferently with Armor. They have sparring sessions, big freaking deal!
Armor was shoehorned into the Wolverine sidekick role because Whedon wanted to put his creation in the team and tought that she'd be accepted faster if she leeched of Wolverine. The thing is that the other Wolverine sidekicks were sucessful because, unlike him, their writers actually took the time to write a good relationship instead of drunken monkey trading snarky remarks with a poor man's Shadowcat.
If Armor is that good, take her out of Astonishing, make her let go of Wolverine's coattails, and then we'll se if she can stand on her own

As for my favorite Wolverine sidekick, it's Jubilee. They had a great relationship and I think she had the part longer then Kitty. Of course, Kitty and X-23 are also great.

[jarrod]

Angel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armor

[marvell2100]

Why does Wolverine get all the proteges' anyway? Armor would logically work better with Peter.

[creaky]

Why does Wolverine get all the proteges' anyway? Armor would logically work better with Peter.

Because putting the tough guy with a little girl has proven to be a formula that sells.

[marvell2100]

Because putting the tough guy with a little girl has proven to be a formula that sells.

Ahahahahahahahah.....ahhahahahahaha! What you said makes sense, I'm just laughing because of all the crude jokes running in my head right now!

[creaky]

Ahahahahahahahah.....ahhahahahahaha! What you said makes sense, I'm just laughing because of all the crude jokes running in my head right now!

Is it true that Claremont intended for Kitty and Logan to become a couple?

[marvell2100]

Is it true that Claremont intended for Kitty and Logan to become a couple?

Hmm...,I hadn't heard anything about that, tho if he did at the time, I think there would have been a lot of protest

[theardri]

why does he always have to have a female sidekick, some change would be good. Wish he would have a young male sidekick, to teach him about life, girls, sex, u know teach him how to be a man and stuff. there's been too much estrogen


For a very short time he had Cannonball as a side kick. He even gave him his old bike!

Now to answer.... Kitty! My wife will kill me if I do not.

I remember the CC comic (3 issues, I can't remember the numbers but after 100 and before the Metal comes back) where Kitty and Jubes are out to save him. Kitty has to deal with Jean, and then Ms Lee has to deal with a pissed off Logan and talks him down. She does the same in the 12 storyline. She basically talks him down from being Death, this is after he stabs Kitties foot!

Kitty is the best side kick, Jubes is the one who he listens to the most. Armor gives him the most greif ("I told you it's the beer") and well X-23 is his "replacement" as Bucky was Caps.

[theardri]

I just rationalize it as X-23 reminding him of his past and what could've been if he never escaped Weapon X. Basically, as much as he wants to help her, she's also a living bad dream for him and I'm sure that would irk anyone who'd have to see it constantly. Plus, since there's a genetic link between them (along w/ her having a healing factor), she's more or less "family," so I guess Wolverine doesn't feel like he has to pull his punches with her cuz she can handle it.

Well to be honest X-23 has had MUCH worse. But he's annoyed that Laura (who was making progress!) is now reverting to a killer. I am hoping Yost and Kyle make her grow a little too. Not to mention Laura would do the same if he was screwing up!

[We R. Venom]

Armor is definately the best. I mostly can't stand the others. Pixie, Jubilee, please.

[Charybdis4]

Sorry - but the only time Jubilee should ever be associated with the word "coolest" is when the Marauders have finally gunned down the mouthy cow & her body temperature starts to drop.

[Dementia5]

Sorry - but the only time Jubilee should ever be associated with the word "coolest" is when the Marauders have finally gunned down the mouthy cow & her body temperature starts to drop.

Whatever. Your opinion. I disagree. I love that little firecracker, and to me she's always seemed the coolest, most big-hearted and genuine of the bunch. She absolutely gets my vote.

[Anna]

one issue/arc does not a protege make.

[XaviersMisprint]

one issue/arc does not a protege make.

it just to leave more options for those who like the obscure characters. of course they may not be the robin to the batman, but you need bad options to make the good ones shine!

why does no one get that? :(

[AdamYJ]

Whatever. Your opinion. I disagree. I love that little firecracker, and to me she's always seemed the coolest, most big-hearted and genuine of the bunch. She absolutely gets my vote.

Hear, hear! :biggrin:

[pharoahe22]

I have to agree with timbox. X-23 is not his sidekick.

I don't know if I agree with that. Wolverine is probably the only person that she really listens to, and she still has a lot to learn, even though she's well trained. And I definetly have to disagree with Timbox about that. Wolverine would kill X-23if he was brainwashed or evil or something. Logan has a "holding back" problem with certain people as Elektra pointed out...and he definetly holds back with her, but she doesn't hold back with him, because she was trained to kill him. X-23 couldn't survive bloodlusted Wolverine. She's one of the MU's best fighters, but she's not on Deadpool and Wolverine's level just yet. She's definetly a protege though, as Logan was supposed to be trying to show her how to be human, but it looks like Cyke's undoing all of that.

That said, my list is:

1.Kitty
2.Jubilee
3.X-23, Armor

I actually like X-23 better than the other characters, but Logan and Kitty/Jubilee's dynamics were more fun.

[justinkos91]

why does he always have to have a female sidekick, some change would be good. Wish he would have a young male sidekick, to teach him about life, girls, sex, u know teach him how to be a man and stuff. there's been too much estrogen

I agree partially, only because there'd be a lot of yaoi and gay jokes. it would be nice to see, but you know how supersensitive some people can be and make assumptions...

[Dazzler]

I say Kitty because I think she was the first and the only one that really, really worked for me.

I didn't hate Jubilee as his sidekick, I guess.


But people like Karma and Dani (both of whom I love to bits), i would never, ever put them in a lower category of being his sidekick.

--Dazz

[AppleBottomJeansBootsWithDaFur]

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE if it was Pixie that became his new protege!!! She really is such a great, cute little character.

[X23FAN]

Well to be honest X-23 has had MUCH worse. But he's annoyed that Laura (who was making progress!) is now reverting to a killer. I am hoping Yost and Kyle make her grow a little too. Not to mention Laura would do the same if he was screwing up!

i hope that laura joined x-force because she wants to protect the one she loves the best way she knows how.
thay realy need to bring back megan for her, but for megan and debi to return the facility has to be wiped out. (good story ark there x-23 writers take notice).

in a lot of ways he is not the best teacher, in meny ways she needs the compleat oppersit of wolverine, wolverine is good in some ways he has walked her road, and is one of the only people caperble of raining her in(at times). she needs some one else as well, but some one she would respect. meny of the other side kicks have been a counter foil to wolverine. i alwas though psylock would be a good for x. wolverine has always toughend up his side kicks, she shure has hell dousent need help in that department.

[creaky]

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE if it was Pixie that became his new protege!!! She really is such a great, cute little character.

Ew no. Trite. Pixie should be Kurt's protege. A change of pace, please.

[Aljira]

i'm voting for Jubilee.

Kitty's a close sec. there's something diff about their rel...sometimes borders on the boring type. i dunno. maybe it's just me. they have a great relationship, i get it but but it lacks something.

Jubilee, on the other hand, is a great contrast to Wolvie and at the same time a great compliment.

Psylocke could've been my vote but she's more like a close friend and a battle partner. they're the best duo when it comes to action. ahh...i miss betsy in the 616.

[RoguishGurl]

I don't know if I agree with that. Wolverine is probably the only person that she really listens to, and she still has a lot to learn, even though she's well trained. And I definetly have to disagree with Timbox about that. Wolverine would kill X-23if he was brainwashed or evil or something. Logan has a "holding back" problem with certain people as Elektra pointed out...and he definetly holds back with her, but she doesn't hold back with him, because she was trained to kill him. X-23 couldn't survive bloodlusted Wolverine. She's one of the MU's best fighters, but she's not on Deadpool and Wolverine's level just yet. She's definetly a protege though, as Logan was supposed to be trying to show her how to be human, but it looks like Cyke's undoing all of that.

That said, my list is:

1.Kitty
2.Jubilee
3.X-23, Armor

I actually like X-23 better than the other characters, but Logan and Kitty/Jubilee's dynamics were more fun.
And what exactly has Logan done on a personal level with Laura? Yes, there was that touching moment in Target X. and that phone call between them in New X-men #20. But after that their interaction basically ends. . All he did was drop her off at the mansion and introduce her to the students. It was not him that helped her get a better grasp on humanity, rather it was the other students at the mansion. After that they basically had no interaction until Messiah Complex. Whereas with Wolverine's other proteges he spent time with them, and trained them. Maybe this will change in X-Force. But as of now, X-23 is not Wolverine's protege.

[mikeb]

One question I have is: How come there has never been a Rogue/Wolverine mini-series?:confused: If Marvel can do a stinker like Claws...:frown:

[Waterlily]

Lindsay McCabe

[XaviersMisprint]

Lindsay McCabe

is that Amp? i forget.

[TiamatXXV]

Ew no. Trite. Pixie should be Kurt's protege. A change of pace, please.

I think that would be a very cool dynamic actually

[timbox]

Lindsay McCabe

is that Amp? i forget.

Friend of Jess Drew, she got to tag along with Wolverine when he rescued Spider-Woman. Likes to drink.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/248362-192707-lindsay-mccabe_super.jpg

Bonus points to Waterlily for the obscurity.

[XaviersMisprint]

Friend of Jess Drew, she got to tag along with Wolverine when he rescued Spider-Woman. Likes to drink.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/248362-192707-lindsay-mccabe_super.jpg

Bonus points to Waterlily for the obscurity.



HAHAH i remember now, she was in the old spider-woman series, right? weren't they roommates or something?

that panel is hilarious! she's soooo checking herself out!

[Waterlily]

Miigwech timbox

[ChrisLHanssen]

Has to be Shadowcat Wolvies first student.

[Starleafgirl]

Has to be Shadowcat Wolvies first student.

I've always thought of Kitty as Storm's protege, so... Jubilee.

[tangentman]

Friend of Jess Drew, she got to tag along with Wolverine when he rescued Spider-Woman. Likes to drink.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/248362-192707-lindsay-mccabe_super.jpg

Bonus points to Waterlily for the obscurity.


I LOVE me some Lindsay McCabe! :biggrin: If Bendis has at least half a brain ping-ponging in his big head, he'll revive her in the upcoming Spider-Woman!

[Darkchylde]

My opinion - Kitty Pryde, first, followed closely by Jubilation Lee, comprise Wolverine's most successful/important sidekicks.

If I have to choose women that made great partners with Logan, I'd go with Psylocke, Rogue, or Storm (in no particular order; they all work well with him in their individual respects).

Lastly, I'm still confused why Illyana Rasputin is even included in this poll. I love me some Magik, but when did she ever team up with Wolverine? Their interactions in various X-Men storylines seemed brief and/or few and far between, unless I'm missing an issue or two. In fact, Logan has always come across (to me) as indifferent to Illyana, bordering on dislike. For example, in New X-Men's "Quest for Magik," Logan, upon seeing who the young blond woman in Limbo is, exclaims "Aw hell, it's her."

[justinkos91]

Would anyone in Alpha Flight count as a protege. He was with the team, who knows if someone was a proege of his... any Alpha Flight member??? :confused: