In Memory of Synch and Prodigy and all the Other Forgotten Next Gen X's.

[marvell2100]

Here we have two next gen Mutants who along with many other young X's never had a chance to reach their potential. We watched many of them grow and develop only to see them cast aside for whatever reason. So to all of you New Mutants, Gen X-ers, New X-men students and others I hope that some writer can can find it in his heart to give you all another chance.

[pryde15]

This thread seems like it warrants for one of these...

9. YOUR OPINION ABOUT SOMETHING IS NOT, IN AND OF ITSELF, WORTHY OF ITS OWN THREAD
I understand that you have opinions, and that you think your opinion is interesting, but we have so many discussions where you can express your opinion. You do not need to (and should not) form your own thread to do so.

[La Fea]

LOL with a thread title like that you're going to convince one of those writers that Prodigy is dead!

While I'm not a fan of his, he's alive and well man so don't grab the shovel just yet. :)

[claimtosubclaim]

Prodigy is in The Initiative and Secret Invasion: X-Men.
Monet is in X-Factor and the She-Hulk tie-ins.
Husk will be in Secret Invasion: X-Men and whatever book Legacy turns into after it's done.
Jubilee and Chamber are in New Warriors.

[marvell2100]

This thread seems like it warrants for one of these...

Warrants? I don't think I have any outstanding warrants.

[marvell2100]

LOL with a thread title like that you're going to convince one of those writers that Prodigy is dead!

While I'm not a fan of his, he's alive and well man so don't grab the shovel just yet. :)

Thank you for the update

[marvell2100]

Prodigy is in The Initiative and Secret Invasion: X-Men.
Monet is in X-Factor and the She-Hulk tie-ins.
Husk will be in Secret Invasion: X-Men and whatever book Legacy turns into after it's done.
Jubilee and Chamber are in New Warriors.

Thanks for the update. Now the thread can end peacefully

[Anna]

Most of the New Mutants will be seen next week. If you want to know who dies in Young X-Men, PM me

[Seikun21]

Prodigy is in The Initiative and Secret Invasion: X-Men.

David is NOT in the Initiative. That's a different Prodigy, some douche in a magical costume that gives him powers.

[podmark]

David is NOT in the Initiative. That's a different Prodigy, some douche in a magical costume that gives him powers.

Now I love David more than anyone else but lets not be insulting the Slingers.

[Seikun21]

Now I love David more than anyone else but lets not be insulting the Slingers.

Tch I like most of the Slingers but Richie-Prodigy is a bit of a jerk. He got drunk, tried to fight Iron Man and got thrown into Azkaban. And then in order to get out of jail he publicly said he has a drinking problem and made himself another Initiative lackey.

[AdamYJ]

I miss Skin and Wallflower most of the past two " next generations". :frown:

[marvell2100]

I knew that I couldn't be the only one to miss these characters. So many of them had so much potential. Even the ones appearing in other books don't seem to be getting much good use.

[Squidboy]

I think DJ and Icarus had some promise, though both of them died as a result of Stryker's assault on the school, and Jay's own douchiness.

[atomicturtle]

Jubilee has such anger management issues these days. She's like Speedball-Lite. Speedball used to be so happy. And he bounced. Now he's an emokid that tortures P-Cat The Penitent Puss. Jubilee also used to be so happy. And she made pretty fireworks. Now she's all like, "I'm very angry and distrusting. Especially of black people... NIGHT THRASHER I'M LOOKING AT YOU."

It's so sad. :frown:

[Agent_Torpor]

I will not mourn the loss of Prodigy when the far superior Basilisk is unlamented by the masses

[BulletSpeed]

I was pissed when Prodigy was depowered. Him and Synch both had the potential to be the best. The just wont allow young black mutants to prosper will they?

[Anna]

I will not mourn the loss of Prodigy when the far superior Basilisk is unlamented by the masses

Basilisk is redundant, as we still have Rockslide, Onyxx and even Glob Herman representing stupid mutants.

[Agent_Torpor]

... we still have Rockslide, Onyxx and even Glob Herman representing stupid mutants.

And by judging from Fraction's take on the current Uncanny, Pixie too.

[Agent_Torpor]

I was pissed when Prodigy was depowered. Him and Synch both had the potential to be the best. The just wont allow young black mutants to prosper will they?

Prodigy was the Carlton Banks of the mutant world.

[Squidboy]

I was pissed when Prodigy was depowered. Him and Synch both had the potential to be the best. The just wont allow young black mutants to prosper will they?

Nehzno might just rise up to be the most important black mutant in history. Screw Storm and Bishop, Gentle's the one to watch!

[drwho]

Its sad that Gen X got replaced. It was a decent cast with a decent origin and skin and synch were both cool characters.

[The Lucky One]

I was pissed when Prodigy was depowered. Him and Synch both had the potential to be the best. The just wont allow young black mutants to prosper will they?

I think it's clear that all X-writers these days are total racists. Back in the day you could let blond-haired, blue-eyed crackers like Cypher and Magik die or get deaged. Now if you need a sacrificial lamb, it's nothing but Synch and Skin and Prodigy and Mirage and Tag. Or if you need someone to turn evil, why not Bishop?

Storm better watch her ass.

-D

[AdamYJ]

Jubilee has such anger management issues these days. She's like Speedball-Lite. Speedball used to be so happy. And he bounced. Now he's an emokid that tortures P-Cat The Penitent Puss. Jubilee also used to be so happy. And she made pretty fireworks. Now she's all like, "I'm very angry and distrusting. Especially of black people... NIGHT THRASHER I'M LOOKING AT YOU."

It's so sad. :frown:

Jubilee was never really happy so much as she was just irreverent. If you go back and actually read her dialogue, you'll realize she's kind of a cynical smart-ass. People forget that because of all the bright lights and colors and stuff. The thing is, back then she was just the kid member or just another student. She didn't have to be serious. Now, she's deputy leader of the New Warriors. She's the boss and she's got to act like it. I miss her irreverence, but I'm interested in how this direction will develop for her.

[Agent_Torpor]

Nehzno might just rise up to be the most important black mutant in history. Screw Storm and Bishop, Gentle's the one to watch!

not with a name like Gentle.

[Squidboy]

not with a name like Gentle.

He's the only chance the newest generation of X-Men has of having a strong black character :tongue:

[Monty_Cristo]

He's the only chance the newest generation of X-Men has of having a strong black character :tongue:

but his name is GENTLE!

[Anna]

...and his powers are killing him.

[Squidboy]

Both are valid points, but he could've been named Wolf Cub, or better yet Tag, in which case he'd already be dead right now.

[BulletSpeed]

Yeah I really hope they let Gentle shine.... but Im not holding my breath.

[TeamED209]

I think it's clear that all X-writers these days are total racists. Back in the day you could let blond-haired, blue-eyed crackers like Cypher and Magik die or get deaged. Now if you need a sacrificial lamb, it's nothing but Synch and Skin and Prodigy and Mirage and Tag. Or if you need someone to turn evil, why not Bishop?

Storm better watch her ass.

-D

Thats not racism thats just clever all those characters were kind of silly especially skin and tag they were just waiting to be cannon fodder....and turning bishop evil probably renewed the character more than anything and in terms of them not sacrificing blonde haired, blue eyed characters i've got two words for you CAPTAIN AMERICA!...comics isn't about race..The worst they'll ever do to storm is give her another mohawk..

[TeamED209]

I think it's clear that all X-writers these days are total racists. Back in the day you could let blond-haired, blue-eyed crackers like Cypher and Magik die or get deaged. Now if you need a sacrificial lamb, it's nothing but Synch and Skin and Prodigy and Mirage and Tag. Or if you need someone to turn evil, why not Bishop?

Storm better watch her ass.

-D

Thats not racism thats just clever all those characters were kind of silly especially skin and tag they were just waiting to be cannon fodder....and turning bishop evil probably renewed the character more than anything and in terms of them not sacrificing blonde haired, blue eyed characters i've got two words for you CAPTAIN AMERICA!...comics isn't about race..The worst they'll ever do to storm is give her another mohawk..

[TeamED209]

I think it's clear that all X-writers these days are total racists. Back in the day you could let blond-haired, blue-eyed crackers like Cypher and Magik die or get deaged. Now if you need a sacrificial lamb, it's nothing but Synch and Skin and Prodigy and Mirage and Tag. Or if you need someone to turn evil, why not Bishop?

Storm better watch her ass.

-D

Thats not racism thats just clever all those characters were kind of silly especially skin and tag they were just waiting to be cannon fodder....and turning bishop evil probably renewed the character more than anything and in terms of them not sacrificing blonde haired, blue eyed characters i've got two words for you CAPTAIN AMERICA!...comics isn't about race..The worst they'll ever do to storm is give her another mohawk..

[TeamED209]

I think it's clear that all X-writers these days are total racists. Back in the day you could let blond-haired, blue-eyed crackers like Cypher and Magik die or get deaged. Now if you need a sacrificial lamb, it's nothing but Synch and Skin and Prodigy and Mirage and Tag. Or if you need someone to turn evil, why not Bishop?

Storm better watch her ass.

-D

Thats not racism thats just clever all those characters were kind of silly especially skin and tag they were just waiting to be cannon fodder....and turning bishop evil probably renewed the character more than anything and in terms of them not sacrificing blonde haired, blue eyed characters i've got two words for you CAPTAIN AMERICA!...comics isn't about race..The worst they'll ever do to storm is give her another mohawk..

[bluedmighty]

I mourne for Synch. :mad:

My problems with this would take too long to post.

He was an AWESOME character, with TONS of potential. Him and M would have made a SPECTACULAR couple as well as an unbeatable team.

Gen X: The Black Kid bought it (stupid).
The Mexican Kid bought it (stupid).

Who else?

Who was the editor back then?

Prodigy:

My problems with the way David was handled would also take forever to post.
Him, Alexander Wilder, and Amadeus Cho would have made an AWESOME team.


Gentle:

Problem, reaction, solution.

I was (am) hyped when I was introduced to Nez.
He seemed like a Black mutant that was going places.

He's mysterious
He's got a great visual
He's Extremely strong :biggrin:
He's from Wakanda

Sounds great right?

Then they let you know that his powers are killing him.
His eyes are Blue and his dad is Russian
(Which in an odd turn of events may have saved his comic book life)
His momma hates his guts
Wakanda hates him

Sigh

Tag and Slick get honerable mentions

[bluedmighty]

Thats not racism thats just clever all those characters were kind of silly especially skin and tag

If BEAK and ANGEL can be taken seriously as characters, Skin could have too. The guy was the mutant Reed Richards.

I bet if Tag had been there when the Hulk showed up, people would be singing a different tune.




they were just waiting to be cannon fodder....and turning bishop evil probably renewed the character more than anything

Debateable.

If you cared less about the character to begin with, this might seem like an exciting development.

HOWEVER,

If you were a fan of the character he is most likely DEAD to you now.



and in terms of them not sacrificing blonde haired, blue eyed characters i've got two words for you CAPTAIN AMERICA!

Correction, Steve Rodgers, and he'll be back.

People that won't be back:

Alex Wilder
Black Goliath
Synch
Skin
Tag
Slick
John Wraith
Maggot
Cecilia Reyes
etc.



comics isn't about race..The worst they'll ever do to storm is give her another mohawk..

Or send her back to the X-men

[marvell2100]

Thats not racism thats just clever all those characters were kind of silly especially skin and tag they were just waiting to be cannon fodder....and turning bishop evil probably renewed the character more than anything and in terms of them not sacrificing blonde haired, blue eyed characters i've got two words for you CAPTAIN AMERICA!...comics isn't about race..The worst they'll ever do to storm is give her another mohawk..

Turning Bishop evil was really stupid.

[nikbackm]

Turning Bishop evil was really stupid.

Bishop is RIGHT. Or just misunderstood.

[rage6839]

Turning Bishop was not only stupid but out of the blue. The man who has nearly given his life for the X-Men many times over, is now taking them out left and right. Bishop would have tried to talk to the X-Men and not unleash the Sentinels on people he considers friends and family.

Synch's intro was so cool and although his powers were reactive, his personality and leadership made him a natural to lead the next generation of mutants. Then Ellis came aboard when the book was ending and they had to kill Synch. I thought it might have been editorial but the way he has written Storm in Astonishing leaves a lot to be desired.

Marvel and particurarly the X-Men PTB have a bad track record with their African-American characters lately. They have created these characters but then proceed to either throw them into limbo never to be heard from again or kill them. In Marvel, the latter might not be so bad but it seems when you are black dead means dead. I would like to think it is coincidental but evidence speaks for itself

[jarrod]

I never cared for Synch honestly. Way too Mary Sue both in concept and execution, I definitely preferred when he bit it rather than any of the other Gen-Xers. Just a flat character all around.

Prodigy I sort of dislike, but at least he has an interesting angle now. My respect went way up when he kicked Surge to the curb too.

Bishop's character assassination is one of the worst I've seen in the X-Books. He's almost unrecognizable compared to the engaging character he grew into during X-Treme and District X. Real waste imo.

I actually miss Maggot more than any of them though.

[bluedmighty]

Turning Bishop was not only stupid but out of the blue. The man who has nearly given his life for the X-Men many times over, is now taking them out left and right. Bishop would have tried to talk to the X-Men and not unleash the Sentinels on people he considers friends and family.

I gave'em the crazy face, when they decided that a guy with an "M" branded on his face would turn Sentinels on not just his friends, but every young Mutant who happened to be there at the time.

And people think Riginald Hudlin is the worst :rolleyes:

I REALLY want to know who's idea this was.


Synch's intro was so cool and although his powers were reactive, his personality and leadership made him a natural to lead the next generation of mutants.

Reactionary for the moment. There was always speculation, and the possibility, that he could retain the powers of those he'd synched with.

He was also often used a person's powers more effectively than they did.


Then Ellis came aboard when the book was ending and they had to kill Synch.

I don't understand the "had to".
Sorry, I just don't.

Ellis hates Black People and Mexicans :biggrin: :redface: :frown:


I thought it might have been editorial but the way he has written Storm in Astonishing leaves a lot to be desired.

Agreed


Marvel and particurarly the X-Men PTB have a bad track record with their African-American characters lately. They have created these characters but then proceed to either throw them into limbo never to be heard from again or kill them. In Marvel, the latter might not be so bad but it seems when you are black dead means dead. I would like to think it is coincidental but evidence speaks for itself

Chuch.

[bluedmighty]

There is no such thing as death in comics ;) . They'll get shifted to the backbin but if they are popular enough they'll come back. I am freaking happy that they brought back Magik and Warlock III. Now if they could only bring back Sunspot as a regular in an X-Book I'll be happy.....
with Liefeld as the artist *runs*

Name one Black super hero that has returned from the Dead.

[jarrod]

Name one Black super hero that has returned from the Dead.
Storm. Twice. :biggrin:

[rage6839]

Reactionary for the moment. There was always speculation, and the possibility, that he could retain the powers of those he'd synched with.

He was also often used a person's powers more effectively than they did.

Now that could have been something to work with. He was better with other people's abilities but I did not know he could retain them as well. So much potential. Maybe if he had been a chain smoking Brit, Synch would have survived.:evilsmile:

[jarrod]

Maybe if he'd been as interesting as a chain smoking brit, Synch would've survived.

[rage6839]

Not all chain smoking Brits are interesting but Ellis will introduce one into any book he is writing

[MartinRedmond]

If they had the kid in 501 wearing a trenchcoat and spouting silly git. The beating would've been awesome.

[bluedmighty]

Storm. Twice. :biggrin:

Incorrect.
The seige perilous and de-aging were the results of her "demise"

Even when Storm "died" we, the readers, were made privy to the fact that she wasn't dead.

I mean DEAD.
Funeral and the like.

Ex.

Jean Grey was DEAD
Buckey was DEAD
Captain Marvel was DEAD
Adam Warlock was DEAD
Doug Ramsey was DEAD

etc.

What Black person has come back from DEATH?

Maybe if he'd been as interesting as a chain smoking brit, Synch would've survived.

It's all about perspective.

Synch was the reason I read the book.
When he died, IT died.

No face was EMO and BORING
Husk was in the same boat

Jubes was a fire cracker. I followed her from X-men over, and the Phalanx lead-in they got was GREAT.
Mondo was interesting.
Skin was funny
M was a snobb
Everett was the $#!+ AND he was NOTHING like any of the Teen African American Characters that they'd introduced before.

I'm STILL mad about Blink I loved her character and wish she would come back to the 616.

[Squidboy]

If BEAK and ANGEL can be taken seriously as characters, Skin could have too. The guy was the mutant Reed Richards.

And Reed Richards' powers are ridiculous enough, we don't need him, Flatman, and Skin running around with the same idiotic powers.

Correction, Steve Rodgers, and he'll be back.

People that won't be back:

Alex Wilder
Black Goliath
Synch
Skin
Tag
Slick
John Wraith
Maggot
Cecilia Reyes
etc.

Another list of characters that will not be back:

Changeling
Destiny
DJ
Elektra
Gertrude Yorks
Harry Leland
Icarus
Network (as well as Rubbermaid, and a bunch of other students killed on the bus)
Petra
Squidboy
Uncle Ben
Wallflower

Turning Bishop evil was really stupid.

This is true, but if you've been reading Uncanny X-Men for the past three-four years, you can tell Bishop was taking the road to becoming public enemy number one for the X-Men anyway. After the Decimation, he was so quick to jump into bed with the government, and sided with O*N*E* every chance he got, and it was only made worse during Civil War, when he preferred to turn in his own people just to get a job with O*N*E*. It was probably only a matter of time before he actually led the assault to arrest all of his former teammates, but that seemed to have been traded in for betraying them all to kill the Messiah Baby. And we still don't know whether Bishop is right or wrong anyway, so people are just assuming he's evil because the X-Men disagree with him. Could he have told his friends his reasons for wanting the baby dead? Sure, but this had nothing to do with racism, but using the stupidity card to raise a conflict that could have otherwise been worked out in a few panels' worth of talking.

[Squidboy]

What Black person has come back from DEATH?

Darwin. Though he's only half-black, and was only half-dead, I guess.

And I'm willing to bet Blade or Black Panther at least once or twice

[marvell2100]

This is true, but if you've been reading Uncanny X-Men for the past three-four years, you can tell Bishop was taking the road to becoming public enemy number one for the X-Men anyway. After the Decimation, he was so quick to jump into bed with the government, and sided with O*N*E* every chance he got, and it was only made worse during Civil War, when he preferred to turn in his own people just to get a job with O*N*E*. It was probably only a matter of time before he actually led the assault to arrest all of his former teammates, but that seemed to have been traded in for betraying them all to kill the Messiah Baby. And we still don't know whether Bishop is right or wrong anyway, so people are just assuming he's evil because the X-Men disagree with him. Could he have told his friends his reasons for wanting the baby dead? Sure, but this had nothing to do with racism, but using the stupidity card to raise a conflict that could have otherwise been worked out in a few panels' worth of talking.[/QUOTE] -original quote by squidboy. sorry about that squidboy.

That's the problem. I have no quarrel with Bishop disagreeing with the other X-men. It happens all the time. But for him to go to such extreme measures the way he did was totally uncalled for. He could have presented his argument and if the others didn't agree he could have walked away and left the team. All he ever did lately was have knee-jerk reactions and point guns at people. He was around the X-Men long enough to know what they are all about. Maybe "evil" is too harsh a term(I wasn't the original to use the term on this thread) but you cant deny that his actions are baffling.

[jarrod]

Claremont was being a good footsoldier and following editorial decree by nudging Bishop towards Val and O*N*E... but from that to MX/Cable Bishop is still a gargantuan leap. Bishop wasn't "bad" even when he sided with the Government. The real turn came when he buddied up to Tony in Civil War.

[The Lucky One]

People that won't be back:

Alex Wilder

Alex might be back. I wouldn't say it's likely exactly, but BKV showed that he still exists in a limbo-like dimension. You usually don't do that with a character unless there's at least a remote possibility you'll want to use them again.

As for Skin and Synch coming back, Gen X fans just need to wait another 5-10 years, to get to where we New Mutants fans are now. Just ask Magik and Warlock.

-D

[Squidboy]

This is true, but if you've been reading Uncanny X-Men for the past three-four years, you can tell Bishop was taking the road to becoming public enemy number one for the X-Men anyway. After the Decimation, he was so quick to jump into bed with the government, and sided with O*N*E* every chance he got, and it was only made worse during Civil War, when he preferred to turn in his own people just to get a job with O*N*E*. It was probably only a matter of time before he actually led the assault to arrest all of his former teammates, but that seemed to have been traded in for betraying them all to kill the Messiah Baby. And we still don't know whether Bishop is right or wrong anyway, so people are just assuming he's evil because the X-Men disagree with him. Could he have told his friends his reasons for wanting the baby dead? Sure, but this had nothing to do with racism, but using the stupidity card to raise a conflict that could have otherwise been worked out in a few panels' worth of talking.

That's the problem. I have no quarrel with Bishop disagreeing with the other X-men. It happens all the time. But for him to go to such extreme measures the way he did was totally uncalled for. He could have presented his argument and if the others didn't agree he could have walked away and left the team. All he ever did lately was have knee-jerk reactions and point guns at people. He was around the X-Men long enough to know what they are all about. Maybe "evil" is too harsh a term(I wasn't the original to use the term on this thread) but you cant deny that his actions are baffling. [/QUOTE]

They kind of have to pull this crap with the way comics are decompressed - if Bishop had told them in the first half of Messiah CompleX that this baby would be the death of them all, and they actually talked it through rationally, Marvel wouldn't have sold nearly enough comics. Obviously they were just as willing to kill Cable as they are now willing to get rid of Bishop, but that was only because Cable was bent on saving the baby, and not bashing her brains in. The choice of characters set on killing and saving the baby makes me wonder if maybe the X-editors wanted some way to get rid of some of the more confusing sci-fi aspects of X-Men, and pushing two of the time-travellers out of the picture (while another time-traveller is lost in space) was a good way of accomplishing that.

[rage6839]

This is true, but if you've been reading Uncanny X-Men for the past three-four years, you can tell Bishop was taking the road to becoming public enemy number one for the X-Men anyway. After the Decimation, he was so quick to jump into bed with the government, and sided with O*N*E* every chance he got, and it was only made worse during Civil War, when he preferred to turn in his own people just to get a job with O*N*E*. It was probably only a matter of time before he actually led the assault to arrest all of his former teammates, but that seemed to have been traded in for betraying them all to kill the Messiah Baby. And we still don't know whether Bishop is right or wrong anyway, so people are just assuming he's evil because the X-Men disagree with him. Could he have told his friends his reasons for wanting the baby dead? Sure, but this had nothing to do with racism, but using the stupidity card to raise a conflict that could have otherwise been worked out in a few panels' worth of talking.

All that was done so Bishop could gain access to the Sentinels and sicc them on the X-Men. Disagreeing with the X-Men is not evil, beating and killing your family and friends is the evil part.
It seems that a coin could have been flipped in regards to who plays the savior and who plays the traitor between Cable and Bishop. Why couldn't the child had played a part freeing the mutants from their prisons but then grew corrupt by Cable's time and had to be stopped before killing untold millions? Turning Bishop into someone who would not only betray family and friends but beat and kill them has not improved his value.

About the dead who are not coming back. It is really dealing with percentages. The list bluedmighty mentioned has to contain at least 35% of Marvel's African-Americans while the list Squidboy gave contain less than 3%

[jarrod]

Alex might be back. I wouldn't say it's likely exactly, but BKV showed that he still exists in a limbo-like dimension. You usually don't do that with a character unless there's at least a remote possibility you'll want to use them again.

As for Skin and Synch coming back, Gen X fans just need to wait another 5-10 years, to get to where we New Mutants fans are now. Just ask Magik and Warlock.

-D
Warlock "came back" 10 years ago. :P

[bluedmighty]

And Reed Richards' powers are ridiculous enough, we don't need him, Flatman, and Skin running around with the same idiotic powers.

So......

Why not kill Flatman?
He's a joke character anyway.



Another list of characters that will not be back:

Changeling: Resurected at least once
Destiny: fair, but she was old anyway
DJ: shame, he had a cool power
Elektra: Didn't I just see her in SI
Gertrude Yorks: The time travel kid? She'll be back Old lace is keeping her boyfriend warm for her.
Harry Leland: Fat, and was resurected at least once
Icarus: Yeah, that's pretty dead
Network (as well as Rubbermaid, and a bunch of other students killed on the bus): Tragic and fair
Petra: Fair
Sway: Fair
Banshee: Fair
Squidboy: Shame, but Fair
Uncle Ben: Resurected at least once
Wallflower: Fair



This is true, but if you've been reading Uncanny X-Men for the past three-four years, you can tell Bishop was taking the road to becoming public enemy number one for the X-Men anyway. After the Decimation, he was so quick to jump into bed with the government, and sided with O*N*E* every chance he got, and it was only made worse during Civil War, when he preferred to turn in his own people just to get a job with O*N*E*. It was probably only a matter of time before he actually led the assault to arrest all of his former teammates, but that seemed to have been traded in for betraying them all to kill the Messiah Baby. And we still don't know whether Bishop is right or wrong anyway, so people are just assuming he's evil because the X-Men disagree with him. Could he have told his friends his reasons for wanting the baby dead? Sure, but this had nothing to do with racism, but using the stupidity card to raise a conflict that could have otherwise been worked out in a few panels' worth of talking.

I think they knew they wanted to ruin Bishop way back then.
How many years in advance are events planned?

[jarrod]

Wait, it's totally fine if old/fat people die? :eek:

[Excelsior]

Walks around the thread, convinced of the evidence of the vaunted Black hole of character deaths.

[The Lucky One]

Warlock "came back" 10 years ago. :P

Don't I know it, but it didn't take, and afterward X-editorial wouldn't let him be used for years. Only recently has he "come back" in his original form.


Wait, it's totally fine if old/fat people die? :eek:

Well... yeah. :confused: You didn't think we attractive people were going to kick off, did you? Then what would you guys look at?

-D

[jarrod]

Don't I know it, but it didn't take, and afterward X-editorial wouldn't let him be used for years. Only recently has he "come back" in his original form.
Yeah, though I liked the Douglock gestalt that Ellis floated originally. Felt like a copout when it just turned out to be amnesiac Warlock imo. :/


Well... yeah. :confused: You didn't think we attractive people were going to kick off, did you? Then what would you guys look at?

-D
Old and fat can be beautiful!

[bluedmighty]

Wait, it's totally fine if old/fat people die? :eek:

Old people:
Maybe, maybe not.

Fat People:
If they die as a a result of their wait, they're fair game.

[Squidboy]

Wait, it's totally fine if old/fat people die? :eek:

That is why Uncle Ben is dead, I guess. Give out any retcons you want, but he fell into the dreaded two characteristics that Marvel wanted to eliminate. Aunt May is just lucky that she's so thin and frail.

[jarrod]

Fat People:
If they die as a a result of their wait, they're fair game.
I'm, um... a little horrified right now. :eek:

[The Lucky One]

Fat People:
If they die as a a result of their wait, they're fair game.

It's not like The Biggest Loser doesn't exist, people.

Jillian: she'll beat you so hard your mother will hurt, but she does a body good.

-D

[MartinRedmond]

Fat People:
If they die as a a result of their wait, they're fair game.


Waiting over what?

[Anna]

Waiting over what?

Shows you the mentality of people who discriminate against others.

BTW, note that:

In YXM #5 Sunspot is colored much lighter than he's been in the past; while in X-Factor Darwin had become almost White, but darkened up again by the end of this issue.

[marvell2100]

Ok, let's not go overboard with the old and fat jokes.

[bluedmighty]

Sorry everybody :redface:

I meant weight, of course :biggrin:

And seriously, the guy died of a heart attack while pushing his abilities to bring down Nimrod. He was out of shape.

[AdamYJ]

Thats not racism thats just clever all those characters were kind of silly especially skin and tag they were just waiting to be cannon fodder....

Yeah, but Skin's attitude made him fun to read about. I miss his trademark sarcasm. I really don't care about his powers, 'cause he made me laugh.

Never cared much for Synch though. He was about as dull as mud.

[Excelsior]

Never cared much for Synch though. He was about as dull as mud.

How would you have made him more interesting?

[Lukecage]

How would you have made him more interesting?

The usual way Marvel tries to make chracters interesting. Give them a bad attitude, a cool new haircut, and a new leather outfit. Heaven forbid you have a character who is actually a descent human being and a true hero. One of a "dying" breed. Let's just create a new "white" anti-hero. Morally ambiguous, a complete jerk, and pain in the @$$.

Marvel can say that creating black characters just to create a black character is a quota system, but they do it to create new female characters or change male heroes to female. A la Quasar. The simple fact is that when these creaters make a new character, the default color is always white! You write or create what you know. They call creating a black character a quota, but creating an endless stream of white characters is "Manifest Destiny".

They wonder why people get angry whenever a black character is killed, marginalized, turned evil. And I'm sick of the listing of white character's who've been killed. Heck there are a million more to chose from. The smple fact is that there aren't that many black characters for us to root for or to just simply like. So when you kill them you are just shrinking an already small pool. And to kill or marginalize a good and descent character, who is a perfect role model is downright criinal. I'm sick of the wannabe bad@ss, jive talking, jerkwad anti-hero.

Give me a real hero like Everett (Synch).

[Squidboy]

This thread is just turning into something only sinjection would get joy from reading.

[AdamYJ]

How would you have made him more interesting?

I don't know. I said I never found him interesting, not that I could fix it.

I always figured people liked him largely because he was a young Black hero who wasn't some sort of urban stereotype. However, I've seen other young, Black, middle class heroes who I've thought were a little more interesting. I thought Prodigy was more interesting early on, what with his desire to learn for real rather than letting his powers carry him. And I thought Joto from the '96 Teen Titans was interesting, with his apprehension about going to college when he was only 16. Everett didn't have any issues or insecurities. He was, as Scott Lobdell once said, the portrait of synchronicity. He always just fit in and go along with everything.

[Sandy Hausler]

Prodigy is in The Initiative and Secret Invasion: X-Men.
Monet is in X-Factor and the She-Hulk tie-ins.
Husk will be in Secret Invasion: X-Men and whatever book Legacy turns into after it's done.
Jubilee and Chamber are in New Warriors.

Wait. Prodigy lost his powers and he still had to register and serve in the Initiative? Bummer!

Sandy Hausler

[Seikun21]

Wait. Prodigy lost his powers and he still had to register and serve in the Initiative? Bummer!

Sandy Hausler

No it was a different Prodigy who registered. One of the Slingers. He has a costume that gives him powers.

David still stands by the X-men.

[timbox]

David still stands by the X-men.

He's that annoying kid that would never take the hint and leave.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Here we have two next gen Mutants who along with many other young X's never had a chance to reach their potential. We watched many of them grow and develop only to see them cast aside for whatever reason. So to all of you New Mutants, Gen X-ers, New X-men students and others I hope that some writer can can find it in his heart to give you all another chance.

oh but you forgot that Prodigy was featured in a panel in X-Men Invasion #1.. OOhhhhh Ahhhhhhh!!

.... okay yeah this is a sad sad day. Hey on the bright side Scott now has a human slave to boss around.
Scott: Get in that house and make my cornbread Prodigy.
Prodigy: Yes sah, masah, Prodigy get right on dat. No one is as great ah leada as masah.

[rage6839]

I wish the artists would pick a style and stick with it. I glanced through the book at my LCS and totally missed Prodigy. Did he have any lines? The X-Verse is not a good place to be an African-American male. Might be time for a change at the top.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

the superhero mantra
if you die black, you never come back

[rage6839]

the superhero mantra
if you die black, you never come back

I might use this as a quote real soon.

[jarrod]

How would you have made him more interesting?
Giving him a flaw or two? As is, he's more interesting as a corpse for Jubes to whine about.

[Anna]

I wish the artists would pick a style and stick with it. I glanced through the book at my LCS and totally missed Prodigy. Did he have any lines? The X-Verse is not a good place to be an African-American male. Might be time for a change at the top.

No lines, but after the group shot Scott sauid he wanted him to help strip/analyze the Skrull ship.

[princesa]

I miss Prodigy and Surge. The New and Next Gen book leave a lot to be desired imo.

[Sanctus]

the superhero mantra
if you die black, you never come back

So true (except for Storm who has had her share of rebirths).

it is because of the truth of your statement, I hope that they never kill Sunspot. I rather him go into limbo than go to teh grave. The Bedlam characters need to come back as well.

[marvell2100]

So true (except for Storm who has had her share of rebirths).

it is because of the truth of your statement, I hope that they never kill Sunspot. I rather him go into limbo than go to teh grave. The Bedlam characters need to come back as well.

Yeah, what happened to the Bedlams anyway?

[Sandy Hausler]

He's that annoying kid that would never take the hint and leave.


That's exactly what I thought. I mean once you lose your powers, you are out. I mean, if Collosus couldn't turn in to steel anymore, od you think the X-Men would keep him on?

Sandy Hausler

[marvell2100]

That's exactly what I thought. I mean once you lose your powers, you are out. I mean, if Collosus couldn't turn in to steel anymore, od you think the X-Men would keep him on?

Sandy Hausler

They kept Storm when she lost her powers. Hell she even beat Cyclops without them and became team leader(none of that"Cyclops subconsciously wanted to lose" crap either).

[The Lucky One]

They kept Storm when she lost her powers. Hell she even beat Cyclops without them and became team leader(none of that"Cyclops subconsciously wanted to lose" crap either).

True, but that was before Emma Frost joined up. These days if you're a great fighter who loses her powers, your ass is hitting the curb, my friend. Just ask Dani.

-D

[Sanctus]

Yeah, what happened to the Bedlams anyway?

One is dead (the kind one) and one is crazy and depowered (the not so kind one)

[marvell2100]

True, but that was before Emma Frost joined up. These days if you're a great fighter who loses her powers, your ass is hitting the curb, my friend. Just ask Dani.

-D

Dani was kicked off because she kept altering her uniform, adding her own personalized touch.

[Squidboy]

Dani was kicked off because she kept altering her uniform, adding her own personalized touch.

Don't forget her changing her codename every other month too. She was like the Yellow Jacket/Wasp of the X-Men..

[marvell2100]

Don't forget her changing her codename every other month too. She was like the Yellow Jacket/Wasp of the X-Men..

Yeah, her and Shadowcat/Sprite/Ariel.

[The Lucky One]

Dani was kicked off because she kept altering her uniform, adding her own personalized touch.

Whatever, man... that belt really tied the uniform together.

-D

[Squidboy]

Yeah, her and Shadowcat/Sprite/Ariel.

How could I have forgotten her? I was gonna list Jean too, but after only getting Marvel Girl, Phoenix, and Jean Grey, I figured that didn't hold up as well as Psyche/Mirage/Moonstar/Spellbinder

[marvell2100]

How could I have forgotten her? I was gonna list Jean too, but after only getting Marvel Girl, Phoenix, and Jean Grey, I figured that didn't hold up as well as Psyche/Mirage/Moonstar/Spellbinder

That's why we can't get an accurate account of the number of mutants there are. They keep changing their names so it seems like there are more of them.

[bluedmighty]

Giving him a flaw or two?

This KILLS me.

Poeple act like superman hasn't been around for 18,000,000,000.00 years and CONTINUES to sell.

I'm sorry, I know, everyones entitled to their opinion,

But F$%# dat.


As is, he's more interesting as a corpse for Jubes to whine about.

When was the last time you heard Jubes mention his name?
When was the lat time you heard anybody mention his name?
When was the last time Skin was remembered?

In fact, M is the one who should miss him the most.
He was the only one to get through that gruff/snobbish exterior.
She was even going to let his building crush her pink cookies in a plastic bag.

For a brief moment in time the two most powerful and capable members on an X-team were young and Black (Male and Female).

Then they killed Synch and gave M vitiligo.

What has the x office given us as a replacement for the only DOPE (i.e. No JOKE) African American Male mutant to exist?

Prodigy.

What did they do to Prodigy?

Then we got Darwin.

What's wrong with Darwin's skin tone?

That's it for the African Americans.

Now We'll just do Black Men

Who did the X office give us next?

Nezhno.

Who's code name is GENTLE!!

Who's Father is Russian (WTF)

Who's eyes are blue

Who's powers are killing him.

Next up is Bishop.

I shouldn't even have to explain Bishop.

I'm sorry, but "2,4,6,8" is nothing if it isn't a pattern.

[marvell2100]

Wasn't there something awhile back about M possibly being Bishop's mother? With Bishops ability to absorb energy, that would seem like an aspect of Synch's power to "absorb" other people's abilities thereby giving us the possibility that Synch could be his father.

[marvell2100]

Wasn't there something awhile back about M possibly being Bishop's mother? With Bishops ability to absorb energy, that would seem like an aspect of Synch's power to "absorb" other people's abilities thereby giving us the possibility that Synch could be his father.

Oh, that's right. Synch would have to still be alive.

[Anna]

This KILLS me.

Poeple act like superman hasn't been around for 18,000,000,000.00 years and CONTINUES to sell.

I'm sorry, I know, everyones entitled to their opinion,

But F$%# dat.



When was the last time you heard Jubes mention his name?
When was the lat time you heard anybody mention his name?
When was the last time Skin was remembered?

In fact, M is the one who should miss him the most.
He was the only one to get through that gruff/snobbish exterior.
She was even going to let his building crush her pink cookies in a plastic bag.

For a brief moment in time the two most powerful and capable members on an X-team were young and Black (Male and Female).

Then they killed Synch and gave M vitiligo.

What has the x office given us as a replacement for the only DOPE (i.e. No JOKE) African American Male mutant to exist?

Prodigy.

What did they do to Prodigy?

Then we got Darwin.

What's wrong with Darwin's skin tone?

That's it for the African Americans.

Now We'll just do Black Men

Who did the X office give us next?

Nezhno.

Who's code name is GENTLE!!

Who's Father is Russian (WTF)

Who's eyes are blue

Who's powers are killing him.

Next up is Bishop.

I shouldn't even have to explain Bishop.

I'm sorry, but "2,4,6,8" is nothing if it isn't a pattern.


Darwin has corrected his skin tone.

[bluedmighty]

Darwin has corrected his skin tone.

Fair.

Where can I see this?

[Squidboy]

Fair.

Where can I see this?

X-Factor #34, though Darwin himself is half black/half Puerto Rican, so he's still relatively light-skinned. Just not chalk white like he was before

[ExtraEpidermis]

Whats wrong with Gentle having a Russian father? Does that make him less black or something.....?

[bluedmighty]

X-Factor #34, though Darwin himself is half black/half Puerto Rican, so he's still relatively light-skinned. Just not chalk white like he was before

Fair.

Why'd he change it back?

It was hinted at in the SI cross over I read, that he subconciously adjusts to survive. When one of the characters brought up his skin tone.

Whats wrong with Gentle having a Russian father? Does that make him less black or something.....?

To be clear:
I have no problems with poeple of mixed heritage

HOWEVER,

What's wrong with his dad being Wakandan, Black African, African American, or Black Afro-European? Would that have given him less universal appeal staying power?

Is his Black/Wakandan side what's killing him?

Why make his dad Russian?
Was that even neccisary?

How will that play into the character?
Does he have daddy issues?
Is he going to appear on Maury?

Seriously what was the point.

[rage6839]

But Gentle's father being Russian and him having blue eyes might be his salvation in the X-Verse. Add to the that, The Wakandans hate him, he might make it to 2010.

So, because Synch had his $h!t together, he was boring and deserved to die? Cyclops should have bought the farm a long time ago. I wonder why he hasn't.

[nikbackm]

So, because Synch had his $h!t together, he was boring and deserved to die? Cyclops should have bought the farm a long time ago. I wonder why he hasn't.

Maybe because Cyclops is the first X-Man and Synch was a Johnny-come-lately?

[jarrod]

This KILLS me.

Poeple act like superman hasn't been around for 18,000,000,000.00 years and CONTINUES to sell.

I'm sorry, I know, everyones entitled to their opinion,

But F$%# dat.
Compared to Monet, Pagie, Jubes, Angelo and Jono... sorry Ev was boring. He's the one I'd have killed first too.


When was the last time you heard Jubes mention his name?
When was the lat time you heard anybody mention his name?
When was the last time Skin was remembered?
New Warriors I think.


In fact, M is the one who should miss him the most.
He was the only one to get through that gruff/snobbish exterior.
She was even going to let his building crush her pink cookies in a plastic bag.

For a brief moment in time the two most powerful and capable members on an X-team were young and Black (Male and Female).

Then they killed Synch and gave M vitiligo.
Monet was always mixed race (her father's caucasian). I'd also say Pagie and Ev were the most capable Gen-Xers, Monet and Jono were the most powerful.

And I'm not sure why Monet would miss him most... they had mostly just awkward flirtation? Jubes was probably the one he was closest too, even if he had the hots for Monet.


What has the x office given us as a replacement for the only DOPE (i.e. No JOKE) African American Male mutant to exist?

Prodigy.

What did they do to Prodigy?

Then we got Darwin.

What's wrong with Darwin's skin tone?

That's it for the African Americans.

Now We'll just do Black Men

Who did the X office give us next?

Nezhno.

Who's code name is GENTLE!!

Who's Father is Russian (WTF)

Who's eyes are blue

Who's powers are killing him.

Next up is Bishop.

I shouldn't even have to explain Bishop.

I'm sorry, but "2,4,6,8" is nothing if it isn't a pattern.
How can you forget Maggot?! Actually, he was may favorite black X-Man.... he rocked under Kelly.

[Squidboy]

To be clear:
I have no problems with poeple of mixed heritage

HOWEVER,

What's wrong with his dad being Wakandan, Black African, African American, or Black Afro-European? Would that have given him less universal appeal staying power?

Is his Black/Wakandan side what's killing him?

Why make his dad Russian?
Was that even neccisary?

How will that play into the character?
Does he have daddy issues?
Is he going to appear on Maury?

Seriously what was the point.

Not to instigate, but then why aren't you raising more of a stink about Darwin's mixed heritage? Are you worried that Gentle will become a latent Commie or something?

[Kage Kisaragi]

Then they killed Synch and gave M vitiligo.


You bastard I was going to make a topic about this yesterday, but considering all the Sarcasm I was spewing I thought it best to just chill out for awhile.

[rage6839]

I guess Cyke is lucky he came around when he did. Still should have died though:evilsmile:

[bluedmighty]

Compared to Monet, Pagie, Jubes, Angelo and Jono... sorry Ev was boring. He's the one I'd have killed first too.

He was the level headed guy on the team, the "Straight" Man, if you will.



New Warriors I think.

I've been reading the NNW, and I haven't seen her mention him.



Monet was always mixed race (her father's caucasian).

Does this explain why she's 12 shades lighter than she used to be?

My brother and I change colors when the seasons change, but c'mon


I'd also say Pagie and Ev were the most capable Gen-Xers, Monet and Jono were the most powerful.

If Ev can synch up to any superpowered being in his vacinity, what about my original statement is untrue?

Did Jono ever figure out how to fly with his powers?

Ev did.


And I'm not sure why Monet would miss him most... they had mostly just awkward flirtation? Jubes was probably the one he was closest too, even if he had the hots for Monet.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5812027

This picture was taken shortly before the Honorable Ev was killed.


How can you forget Maggot?! Actually, he was may favorite black X-Man.... he rocked under Kelly.

Maggot was my DUDE :biggrin:

I mad I forgot Maggot, what was their reason for killing him and not Marrow?

Shola Inoske was another one I liked

You bastard I was going to make a topic about this yesterday, but considering all the Sarcasm I was spewing I thought it best to just chill out for awhile.

Great minds think alike :confused: :biggrin:

[Kage Kisaragi]

So, because Synch had his $h!t together, he was boring and deserved to die? Cyclops should have bought the farm a long time ago. I wonder why he hasn't.

Depends who you ask. Apparently Scott was the most Emo guy around? :rolleyes: I mean it didn't matter how much tail was thrown his way he couldn't get the tail he wanted which was obviously Xaviers. So what happens the first opportunity he gets to prove his fantasy tail wrong? He scolds him and throws him out of his own house and assumes Headmaster duties... a evil now converted blond comes on to him and he shags her psychically and eventually gets the go ahead from his hotter red head wife/girlfriend to do so. Now he's the balls of the X-Men and everyone is the better for it.. supposedly.

Still can't get over Prodigy though. Seriously, he has no attachment what so ever, and they only tease us with him being there. Us knowing he can't grow but so much now since he lost his powers. Yet if that wasn't enough you'd think they'd show that he was still awesome some how to the point there is a actual need for him on the X-book.:frown:

[Kage Kisaragi]

Compared to Monet, Pagie, Jubes, Angelo and Jono... sorry Ev was boring. He's the one I'd have killed first too.

See, problem is.. at the time I doubt any of the writers could or wanted to even attempt to write a young male African American character. I mean at the time and largely at any time, we aren't portrayed as the types of people most comic book readers want to read about.

[bluedmighty]

I guess Cyke is lucky he came around when he did. Still should have died though:evilsmile:

Cyke
Cap
Beast
Reed
Nick Fury

[bluedmighty]

See, problem is.. at the time I doubt any of the writers could or wanted to even to attempt to write a young male African American character. I mean at the time and largely at any time, we aren't portrayed as the types of people most comic book readers want to read about.

EXCELLENT POINT.

They are either:

Weak or Dead

I have YET to see a MIGHTY African American Male SUPER hero to represent me at Marvel.

But all that changes in November Baby :biggrin:

[ExtraEpidermis]

Fair.

Why'd he change it back?

It was hinted at in the SI cross over I read, that he subconciously adjusts to survive. When one of the characters brought up his skin tone.



To be clear:
I have no problems with poeple of mixed heritage

HOWEVER,

What's wrong with his dad being Wakandan, Black African, African American, or Black Afro-European? Would that have given him less universal appeal staying power?

Is his Black/Wakandan side what's killing him?

Why make his dad Russian?
Was that even neccisary?

How will that play into the character?
Does he have daddy issues?
Is he going to appear on Maury?

Seriously what was the point.


I never read the X-Men: Divided They Stand issues that came out after MC but wasn't there one that explained the Wakandans hated him because he was mixed. Add to that the aforementioned daddy issues and the powers that are slowly killing him and you have drama. Sorry, but I don't like Gentle because he's black. I like him because of that.


And I don't understand the issues being raised about Monet and Darwin's skin. Marvel can barely decide which eye color they want Jubilee to keep, I don't expect them to get skin tone right all the time.

[jarrod]

He was the level headed guy on the team, the "Straight" Man, if you will.
Sure, I just didn't much care for it. I never really disliked Ev either though, he was just kinda... there.


I've been reading the NNW, and I haven't seen her mention him.
I don't read the book myself, but I remembered it from a preview. Jubes suspected maybe Ev when the team was going through a list of dead mutants who might've been Thrasher.


Does this explain why she's 12 shades lighter than she used to be?

My brother and I change colors when the seasons change, but c'mon
No, but she never really had dark features or tone before. Her X-Factor coloring has been weird in parts, but I doubt it's really deliberate.


If Ev can synch up to any superpowered being in his vacinity, what about my original statement is untrue?

Did Jono ever figure out how to fly with his powers?

Ev did.
Ev was reliant on external power sources though. Jono has less control, but he was a psychic inferno... he was honestly the most powerful member on the team, and the only potential Omega among them.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5812027

This picture was taken shortly before the Honorable Ev was killed.
And he was still closer with Jubes. Bros before Hoes. :wink:


Maggot was my DUDE :biggrin:

I mad I forgot Maggot, what was their reason for killing him and not Marrow?

Shola Inoske was another one I liked
I loved Maggot... and yeah, he got the full Black X-Man treatment unfortunately. At least Meany's still intact in a jar somewhere.

Marrow hasn't exactly had it great herself though, she got brainwashed by SHIELD, sucked into Weapon X and finally depowered. Sarah might still be breathing, but she's honestly not much better off.

Cece's another one who's had it rough (not dead, but mia). Shola was depowered. Sux, I really liked them all. :/

[rage6839]

Synch being level-headed made him the perfect field commander. He would think situations through instead of running headfirst into a battle. His ability to synch his teammates powers was a great bonus. He should be leading a team right now.

[jarrod]

See, problem is.. at the time I doubt any of the writers could or wanted to even to attempt to write a young male African American character. I mean at the time and largely at any time, we aren't portrayed as the types of people most comic book readers want to read about.
Granted, but I don't think we've ever gotten a great portrayal of a young male African American.... Ev certainly wasn't it. I *have* really enjoyed characters like Bishop, Maggot, Shola or Gentile though, I think the problem is more in the delivery than the concept itself.

My favorite recent student (Bling!) is a young black African American too! :biggrin:

[rage6839]

Granted, but I don't think we've ever gotten a great portrayal of a young male African American.... Ev certainly wasn't it. I *have* really enjoyed characters like Bishop, Maggot, Shola or Gentile though, I think the problem is more in the delivery than the concept itself.

My favorite recent student (Bling!) is a young black African American too! :biggrin:

But young African-American males run the sprectrum from Bling to Synch. Doesn't mean one is exciting and the other is boring. There should be room for both. I just remember Synch's intro as he stood up to the police all the while being cool, calm, and collected. He was the epitome of a leader.
Was there anything written about why Everett had to bite the bullet. Still cannot read anything by Ellis

[ExtraEpidermis]

Fair.

Why'd he change it back?

It was hinted at in the SI cross over I read, that he subconciously adjusts to survive. When one of the characters brought up his skin tone.



To be clear:
I have no problems with poeple of mixed heritage

HOWEVER,

What's wrong with his dad being Wakandan, Black African, African American, or Black Afro-European? Would that have given him less universal appeal staying power?

Is his Black/Wakandan side what's killing him?

Why make his dad Russian?
Was that even neccisary?

How will that play into the character?
Does he have daddy issues?
Is he going to appear on Maury?

Seriously what was the point.


I never read the X-Men: Divided They Stand issues that came out after MC but wasn't there one that explained the Wakandans hated him because he was mixed. Add to that the aforementioned daddy issues and the powers that are slowly killing him and you have drama. Sorry, but I don't like Gentle because he's black. I like him because of that.


And I don't understand the issues being raised about Monet and Darwin's skin. Marvel can barely decide which eye color they want Jubilee to keep, I don't expect them to get skin tone right all the time.

[jarrod]

But young African-American males run the sprectrum from Bling to Synch. Doesn't mean one is exciting and the other is boring. There should be room for both. I just remember Synch's intro as he stood up to the police all the while being cool, calm, and collected. He was the epitome of a leader.
Was there anything written about why Everett had to bite the bullet. Still cannot read anything by Ellis
Ev was just flat. Like someone else said, he was the straight man of the group.

I'm all for more portrayals of young African American mutants, but not if they're infallible cardboard like Synch. His failure as a character in my eyes has nothing to do with his race, he's just not interesting. When your most notable character trait is "well adjusted", you know you're in trouble...

[marvell2100]

Well, after Storm which African American mutant character has the most longevity? Who appears in the comics on a consistant basis? My guess would be Bishop and he's only been around for about 10+ years. After that, it is a very steep drop. Whether intentional or not, this is not a very good case for diversity or the representation of any minority group.

[LawGiver]

We really need more young black mutants, more diversity, not just in gender or sexual orientation but race.

[jarrod]

Bishop holds Australian citizenship too. Storm grew up in Africa. Neither are really honest portrayals of African Americans imo.

Prodigy's probably the best one honestly, since the writers and editors seem intent on keeping poor Bling! in the background. :frown:

[jarrod]

We really need more young black mutants, more diversity, not just in gender or sexual orientation but race.
With Bling! we get all three! :biggrin:


MOAR BLING! PLZ!

[bluedmighty]

I never read the X-Men: Divided They Stand issues that came out after MC but wasn't there one that explained the Wakandans hated him because he was mixed. Add to that the aforementioned daddy issues and the powers that are slowly killing him and you have drama. Sorry, but I don't like Gentle because he's black. I like him because of that.

To each their own, I guess.

Wakandans (his Mom? WTF) didn't want him there not because he was a mutant, but because his Father was an outsider (Russian).
Nez does not have Daddy issues.
The fact that his Father was Russian adds ABSOLUTELY nothing to the character.

His moms reaction to him makes NO M'F'N sense considering that she HAD to have known he was an outsider when she slept with him (unless she was raped).

She also gave birth to the guy. The look on her face when she saw him again in Divided we stand, says that woman would have taken a hot Hanger to her VaJJ rather than birth him. It wasn't just hate, she was mortified.



And I don't understand the issues being raised about Monet and Darwin's skin. Marvel can barely decide which eye color they want Jubilee to keep, I don't expect them to get skin tone right all the time.

Did....you just compare Skin tone........to eye color?

As in....What's the difference?

Ev was just flat. Like someone else said, he was the straight man of the group.

I'm all for more portrayals of young African American mutants, but not if they're infallible cardboard like Synch. His failure as a character in my eyes has nothing to do with his race, he's just not interesting. When your most notable character trait is "well adjusted", you know you're in trouble...

Are you saying that theses type of African American children don't exist?
White and uninteresting is some how better than Black and uninteresting?
Who's the judge?

[rage6839]

Ev was just flat. Like someone else said, he was the straight man of the group.

I'm all for more portrayals of young African American mutants, but not if they're infallible cardboard like Synch. His failure as a character in my eyes has nothing to do with his race, he's just not interesting. When your most notable character trait is "well adjusted", you know you're in trouble...

But while you saw infallible cardboard, I saw someone who was cool under pressure, not easily rattled, able to think his way out of a tough situation, provided strength for his teammates, and with the power to synch with any mutant around him. If he was able to retain those abilities, then he would be unstoppable. We will have to agree to disagree:smile:

[Kage Kisaragi]

My favorite recent student (Bling!) is a young black African American too! :biggrin:

Just for clarification purposes I'll point out that Bling! is female and a lesbian. Not that that should be a reason to get upset or anything, I'm just putting it all out there so any comments made about her aren't misinterpreted. I myself didn't know her all that much because... well she wasn't a featured character to my knowledge. Also she had grey/purple skin so outside of reading about her online you'd hardly know shes African American or that her parents are in the hip hop biz, or shes filthy stinkin rich.. Ugly as sin though.

Rogue has some real insecurity issues... either that or the girl thinks very little of Remy's taste.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/349661-191733-bling_super.JPG

[AdamYJ]

M's dad's skin color changed as much as hers, I never saw him as whit but to each their own,

M's Algerian, so she wouldn't really have dark, Black African skin tone anyway. It would be more of a dusky, but still kind of light Northern African tone.

[Kage Kisaragi]

M's Algerian, so she wouldn't really have dark, Black African skin tone anyway. It would be more of a dusky, but still kind of light Northern African tone.

Her father was French her mom was Algerian... (as much as I liked the idea of her being dark skin back in the day.) I free admit that her completion now best represents her. She'd be nearly indistinguishably Caucasian or French or whatever. What probably happen was that when the artist first got the info on what to base Monet on, s/he probably assumed that Algerians and Nigerians looked the same... and made a mistake.

[Umbra]

Sure, I just didn't much care for it. I never really

No, but she never really had dark features or tone before. Her X-Factor coloring has been weird in parts, but I doubt it's really deliberate.


You got to be kiding me?

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/5012_4_035.jpg

[rage6839]

You got to be kiding me?

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/5012_4_035.jpg

The X-Universe, helping black mutants get ahead in the new millennium by "passing".

[Umbra]

The X-Universe, helping black mutants get ahead in the new millennium by "passing".

it's sad really.

[ExtraEpidermis]

To each their own, I guess.

Wakandans (his Mom? WTF) didn't want him there not because he was a mutant, but because his Father was an outsider (Russian).
Nez does not have Daddy issues.
The fact that his Father was Russian adds ABSOLUTELY nothing to the character.

His moms reaction to him makes NO M'F'N sense considering that she HAD to have known he was an outsider when she slept with him (unless she was raped).

She also gave birth to the guy. The look on her face when she saw him again in Divided we stand, says that woman would have taken a hot Hanger to her VaJJ rather than birth him. It wasn't just hate, she was mortified.

His father not being from Wakanda adds more to his feelings of being an outsider. And was his mom's reaction to the tattoos or to him being a mutant? Like I said, haven't read DTS so I wouldn't know.


Did....you just compare Skin tone........to eye color?

As in....What's the difference?

Yes and no. Marvel has a history of not keeping things straight down to eye color and skin tone to it's own continuity. Expecting them to keep skin tone somewhat the same between different colorists and over so many years (since 1994 in Monet's case) is, to me at least, not going to happen. I know M is Algerian so that's how I see her.

[Umbra]

His father not being from Wakanda adds more to his feelings of being an outsider. And was his mom's reaction to the tattoos or to him being a mutant? Like I said, haven't read DTS so I wouldn't know.




Yes and no. Marvel has a history of not keeping things straight down to eye color and skin tone to it's own continuity. Expecting them to keep skin tone somewhat the same between different colorists and over so many years (since 1994 in Monet's case) is, to me at least, not going to happen. I know M is Algerian so that's how I see her.

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/0/05/M_007.gif

Yup...1994

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/3/31/X-factor-10_cvr.jpg

Now...
hmmmmmm:confused:

That is not 'somewhat' different. That is whole sale change right there.

[rage6839]

I guess Marvel doesn't have any back issues so the colorist can get an idea of what the character looks like. Damn shame too. Oh well, lets make it complete by giving her blond hair and blue eyes. She'll look beautiful and perfect for the X-Verse in 2008.

[Umbra]

I guess Marvel doesn't have any back issues so the colorist can get an idea of what the character looks like. Damn shame too. Oh well, lets make it complete by giving her blond hair and blue eyes. She'll look beautiful and perfect for the X-Verse in 2008.


I agree.

I just don't get the logic... I don't see how anyone can agrue with the facts... And to be quite frank, I really find it disturbing.

Same folks, write off Storm and BP. Two black people getting married is ridiculous to them. A King and a Princess is forced, a recon... but there are hundreds of recons that they ignore. Those are just fine. But having a powerful 'black' couple is a no, no.

Can some of you guys see how offensive it is...The X-men, based of the struggles of AA, and off of two AA males (Malcome X and MLK) that you have every 'black' male character is either weak, depowered, you cannot tell they are 'black', they have the very same cookie cutter powers and skill set, or they are DEAD.

That is really crazy that black characters, or characters of color...suddenly turn white or non-black/AA over time (Bishop and M)...But folks are not suppose to get offend?

Just to point out. Marvel really needs to get it's act together. DC just added Milestone to DCU proper. The X-office needs to stop the BS.

I'm sorry if some don't agree, but you can not ignore the facts.

[Umbra]

His father not being from Wakanda adds more to his feelings of being an outsider. And was his mom's reaction to the tattoos or to him being a mutant? Like I said, haven't read DTS so I wouldn't know.


But you could have also made his father Jamican, Nigerian, AA, Kenyan, anything... they are outsiders also. They are not Wakandan. That is what Blue is talking about.

I mean, it's just weird to me when I think about it...and I won't post what I am thinking.

[jarrod]

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/0/05/M_007.gif

Yup...1994

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/3/31/X-factor-10_cvr.jpg

Now...
hmmmmmm:confused:

That is not 'somewhat' different. That is whole sale change right there.
Your first image is from 1998. This is M in 1994...

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/generation-x/3-1.jpg


...actually, M looked much lighter early on under Bachalo, with Dodson (in 1998) they suddenly darkened her.

Actually, you can see all the GenX covers here (http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/generation-x). She's not as dark as your image on any of them?

[jarrod]

Are you saying that theses type of African American children don't exist?
White and uninteresting is some how better than Black and uninteresting?
Who's the judge?
That's not what I'm saying at all, don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying Sunch was a boring character, that's irrespective of his skin tone.

[Umbra]

Your first image is from 1998. This is M in 1994...

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/generation-x/3-1.jpg


...actually, M looked much lighter early on under Bachalo, with Dodson (in 1998) they suddenly darkened her.

Actually, you can see all the GenX covers here (http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/generation-x). The sudden darkening as of Dodson is pretty stark.

I collected GenX, stopped when they killed Ev...and there was consistency with her tone for a long time. What's inconsistent is what we have now.

[jarrod]

I collected GenX, stopped when they killed Ev...and there was consistency with her tone for a long time. What's inconsistent is what we have now.
Given your image earlier, it seems Monet's skin has always been inconsistent I'd say. It was even lighter when she debuted in Uncanny during the Phalanx Covenant btw.

[Umbra]

Given your image earlier, it seems Monet's skin has always been inconsistent I'd say. It was even lighter when she debuted in Uncanny during the Phalanx Covenant btw.

Nah, she was always brown...with slight variations (ligher or darker)... she is now very, very light skinned/ or white. There is no way to explain that away.

That is the reason most fans were thinking over time she was related to Bishop (when he was thought to be AA/'Black'...before he was changed to Pilipino and Austrian aboriginal).

In fact, she was mostly the SAME color as Synch for most of the series.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/generation-x/2-1.jpg
Generation X #2

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/generation-x/5-1.jpg
Generation X #5

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/generation-x/12-1.jpg
Generation X #12

edit:
http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/xfactor13_comics/xfactor13_1.jpg
X-Factor #13


Thanks for the link, because if you look it proves our point.

[jarrod]

First appearance of Monet...

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/0/00/Uncannyxmen_316.JPG


...Monet at X-Factor relaunch...

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/58/X-Factor_vol3_1.jpg


...Ubra, you're really distorting things here. The difference isn't near what you originally implied.

[rage6839]

Gotta go with Umbra

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/03.jpg

Her Gen X run is way closer to her origin than her X-Factor incarnation

[Umbra]

First appearance of Monet...

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/0/00/Uncannyxmen_316.JPG


...Monet at X-Factor relaunch...

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/58/X-Factor_vol3_1.jpg


...Ubra, you're really distorting things here. The difference isn't near what you originally implied.

Well, we just see things differently then... because that is a huge difference to me. Africans or people of color have a number of different complextions up to very light skinned... but I have never seen someone that was brown...suddenly turn very light skinned.

What you just posted is closer to what she looked like in Gen X... She was nearly the same complexion as Bishop and Storm (Storm has a different tone of brown). Now she is closer to Strong Guy? Sorry, that is not distorting anything. It's right there in front of you...and you are posting it.

I don't see how you can say that she is the same complexion or even near it? She was always brown, and now she is very light skinned or white even. That is not a problem, it's fine but… It's a recon...admit it... I just don't think it's cool to act like it wasn't.

There a is noticable difference from Uncanny #316 (I started collecting GenX because of Uncanny) and X-Factor. Reguardless of what you are saying...she was still brown...slightly lighter or darker... now she is very light.

That is one of the things folks were trying to point out. She and Synch were the two reasons I started collecting GenX, FYI.

[jarrod]

Closer to Strong Guy? I'm sorry, does Monet's skin look pink to you?

Again, there's been fluctuation... but I don't think there's been any covert "plan" on Marvel's part to lighten Monet as of X-Factor so she can "pass". There's nothing conscious here, that's what I'm saying.

And your original comparison post was laughably slanted, showing arguably the darkest image of Monet ever, from 4 years after you attributed the date to, to a cover image where all colors were stylistically muted. Your intent there was pretty clear.

[Umbra]

Closer to Strong Guy? I'm sorry, does Monet's skin look pink to you?

Again, there's been fluctuation... but I don't think there's been any covert "plan" on Marvel's part to lighten Monet as of X-Factor so she can "pass". There's nothing conscious here, that's what I'm saying.

And your original comparison post was laughably slanted, showing arguably the darkest image of Monet ever, from 4 years after you attributed the date to, to a cover image where all colors were stylistically muted. Your intent there was pretty clear.

http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/xfactor13_comics/xfactor13_1.jpg

p.s
Thank you Rage for posting that...
My intent was posting facts... now you tell me... she does not have a complextion that is close to Uncanny or GenX right there. No amount of SPIN will change that.

[jarrod]

The complextion doesn't match GenX exactly... but then it doesn't look unnatural for a mixed race French/Algerian. And it doesn't look like Guido's skin tone either.

I guess maybe we all see what we want?

[Umbra]

The complextion doesn't match GenX exactly... but then it doesn't look unnatural for a mixed race French/Algerian. And it doesn't look like Guido's skin tone either.

I guess maybe we all see what we want?

So you can't be Black and French? You can't be dark and Algerian? OK

Anyhow... facts are facts...that is how she was portrayed in print. I'm just saying...she was a recon. I didn't think you could look unnatural when you have a blue eyed, white hired black woman, or green and red monsters...purple (bling), zombies (Darwin)etc...etc...around you.

[rage6839]

This is her second appearance. She and Synch have similar skin tone. Nowhere near the "passing" in X-Factor. Plus, the X-Factor imges show a trend, she is getting lighter and lighter. In 10 or 20 more issues, she will be Madrox's tone

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/X-Men037__19.jpg

Just to show the awesomeness of Everett Thomas aka Synch

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_18.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/12.jpg

He was just so comfortable in his own skin. No angst or drama and able to pull off other people's powers with ease. Synch is missed

[jarrod]

So you can't be Black and French? You can't be dark and Algerian? OK
Is that what I said? OK

[rage6839]

Also, when you look at the characters in X-Factor, you can tell they bear a very close resemblance to prior incarnations. With Monet, she needs a name tag stating she is Monet St Croix from Generation X and not some other Monet. All artists take liberties but the ones in X-Factor have used all theirs up on M

[Excelsior]

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/9/98/Synch_003.jpg/200px-Synch_003.jpghttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/x-men/images/thumb/d/d0/GenerationX.jpg/300px-GenerationX.jpg

[jarrod]

It's all a colorist issue though, the pencilers and inkers aren't changing anything really. Actually, I think Theresa's freckles are new too... she at least didn't have them in X-Force. Jamie looks pretty different too honestly, as does Rictor...

[BulletSpeed]

You know reading over this thread has just really pissed me off. Its a damned shame the way Black (African AMERICAN) mutants have been handled over the years. The evidence is striking to say the least. And the more I think of it, this really bothers me. Of any of the Marvel books, the X-Men have always been the title that embraces the differences between peoples cultures..... well at least in the fictional Marvel Universe, in the actual Marvel offices its obviously quite the opposite. Its really crazy if you think about it. And of course me being black just makes it worst from my reading perspective.

Oh and for the recored Synch would have / could have / should have been one of the greatest leaders in X-Men history. Prodigy too for that matter.

[jarrod]

Prodigy still might be honestly. The X-Men seem pretty keen on holding onto him.

[Kage Kisaragi]

http://www.oceansbridge.com/paintings/artists/c/jean_baptiste_corot_new/big/Young_Algerian_Woman_Lying_on_the_Grass__1871-1873.jpg
A painting depicting a Algerian woman,

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2182/2202659114_f17baf9d32.jpg
a photo from 1825 of a Algerian Woman.

http://missalgeria.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/banner3.jpg
Miss Algeria from 1997-2007...

Guy's let's move on and let it go. It was a mistake, at some point you have to accept that her being part French, and part Algerian means she wasn't really ever meant to have dark skin in the first place. In all seriousness she should have as light a complexion as any native French woman.

[BulletSpeed]

SO that just goes to show that M isnt even black, driving home the original point!

[rage6839]

With Rictor and Madrox, it is mostly hair, facial hair in particular for Rictor. You would not mistake them for another race entirely because of the changes. I cannot attest to whether Syrin's freckles are new but won;t be mistaken her for her for black, Middle Eastern, or of Latin descent.
If the colorist lightened Monet, I seriously doubt they did it of their own volition. And if they did, then the Editor is slipping because this is akin to a factual error. Monet has an extensive history of how she looks, take the time to look it up!!

[Excelsior]

Maybe Dark Brown ink is more expensive than the other colors. ::shrugs::

[jarrod]

With Rictor and Madrox, it is mostly hair, facial hair in particular for Rictor. You would not mistake them for another race entirely because of the changes. I cannot attest to whether Syrin's freckles are new but won;t be mistaken her for her for black, Middle Eastern, or of Latin descent.
If the colorist lightened Monet, I seriously doubt they did it of their own volition. And if they did, then the Editor is slipping because this is akin to a factual error. Monet has an extensive history of how she looks, take the time to look it up!!
You're excusing visual changes here. I wouldn;t mistake any of them, but then I wouldn't mistake Monet either. She's Monet, just listen to her and you know her.

Quick aside though... but does Ric look Mexican to you? Just by looking at him, could you immediately identify his ethnicity?

[Kage Kisaragi]

Monet has an extensive history of how she looks, take the time to look it up!!

It doesn't have anything to do with that, the real issue is that Algerian woman are very very light skin in contrast to African women. Not to mention she is half French which could very much lighten her complexion over the average Algerian woman. (hard to imagine in my opinion.) The thing is the colorist of yore fudged up the coloring for Monet way back when. She shouldn't have had dark skin at all, heck it would be as if someone all of a sudden drew Emma as a dark skinned woman with blond hair and blue eyes. Caucasian women who identify with Emma would be kind of awed as to why a Caucasian woman is now dark skinned.

[Excelsior]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2182/2202659114_f17baf9d32.jpg
a photo from 1825 of a Algerian Woman.

http://missalgeria.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/banner3.jpg
Miss Algeria from 1997-2007...

Guy's let's move on and let it go. It was a mistake, at some point you have to accept that her being part French, and part Algerian means she wasn't really ever meant to have dark skin in the first place. In all seriousness she should have as light a complexion as any native French woman.


She is only half Algerian---Her father was African, a rich and eccentric Ambassador. His name was Cartier St. Croix.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Monet_Genx.gif


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Gnx070.jpg

[rage6839]

Prodigy still might be honestly. The X-Men seem pretty keen on holding onto him.

I'll believe that if he is allowed to speak in the next issue but he is black and a New X-Man so I won't hold my breath. Need to start a pool on when Prodigy goes for his dirtnap. Might want to make it heroic so as to not offend....wait that was Synch. Go BSC and take out his friends and family...no that was Bishop. Whatever, they will find a way, if the X-Verse knows how to do one thing well, it is getting rid of black mutants.

[jarrod]

She is only half Algerian---Her father was African, a rich and eccentric Ambassador. His name was Cartier St. Croix.
Cartier's race is a hot topic, as he introduced as a caucasain, and then later portrayed as black. He is not African though, he's from Monaco.

[jarrod]

I'll believe that if he is allowed to speak in the next issue but he is black and a New X-Man so I won't hold my breath. Need to start a pool on when Prodigy goes for his dirtnap. Might want to make it heroic so as to not offend....wait that was Synch. Go BSC and take out his friends and family...no that was Bishop. Whatever, they will find a way, if the X-Verse knows how to do one thing well, it is getting rid of black mutants.
I dunno... just quietly relegated to the background seems more likely imo (a la Forge). Prodigy's survived this long (while many others haven't), I don't think he's going out yet.

[Excelsior]

It doesn't have anything to do with that, the real issue is that Algerian woman are very very light skin in contrast to African women. Not to mention she is half French which could very much lighten her complexion over the average Algerian woman. (hard to imagine in my opinion.) The thing is the colorist of yore fudged up the coloring for Monet way back when. She shouldn't have had dark skin at all, heck it would be as if someone all of a sudden drew Emma as a dark skinned woman with blond hair and blue eyes. Caucasian women who identify with Emma would be kind of awed as to why a Caucasian woman is now dark skinned.

WRONG!!

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Okay my normal skin color is like light brown, but sometime during the winter i get so white, but in the summer in algeria i get very brown. i would like to know if other algerians have the same thing. i came up to the conclusion that most algerian are light brown, dark, or very light. I think the color changes because we have senetive skin since most Algerians in Algeria live in a avargae of 70 degrees fahreit all year round. So mabey that heat has affected our skin to become easy to adapt to different climates? is it just me


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my skin colour always changes sometimes am all black just like Africans and sometimes am all brown and sometimes people say that I look mixed race and sometimes am white . but i don't take my self as white, i take my self as Algerian/African But mainly my skin is brown.
In Algeria, you will find girls with blonde hair and green eyes (natural) dark brown and light skinned people so its all mixed

[Kage Kisaragi]

Actually we don't know what he is, but considering where she was born and the fact that they mention him to be a "wealthy former president of several corporations from Monaco," which is not located in Africa, and their official language being French. It's a good chance he's not of any African descent either. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to claim monet as a sister, but from the current stand point shes as about as much as African woman as Noriko is. :redface:

again I stand by the fact that the original colorist some how confused Algerian and Nigerian.

Well, if you spent time in place over 80 degrees you'd probably tan quiet a bit if you were of a fair complexion not to mention outside for extended periods of time dodging bullets and laser beams. :smile:

[rage6839]

You're excusing visual changes here. I wouldn;t mistake any of them, but then I wouldn't mistake Monet either. She's Monet, just listen to her and you know her.

Quick aside though... but does Ric look Mexican to you? Just by looking at him, could you immediately identify his ethnicity?

No, and that is just as wrong and goes along with the premise that the X-Verse, for some reason, is performing some sort of ethnic cleansing. You cannot be a different color and expect to be in a X-Book. It may sound harsh but look at the characters in the line-ups.

[Excelsior]

Algerian farmers and women

http://www.everyculture.com/images/ctc_01_img0017.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fOd5ea7qL5BN/610x.jpg

[Kage Kisaragi]

now combine that with the fact that her father is most likely French and you'll see why depicting her with dark skin is as about as offensive as depicting Storm with pale skin.

[marvell2100]

Despite the many shades of M the problem remains about prominent minority mutants and the lack thereof. Jean becomes Phoenix, goes insane, kills billions, and is welcomed with open arms. Bishop becomes...what? Goes insane. Shoots Xavier(whom the other X-people seem not to care for anymore) and is hated and disdained. Why couldn't Bishop be the one to save the baby?

If you think that Ev is an uninteresting character, blame the uninterested writer who wouldn't take the time. Personally, he was the best thing about Gen X

[Anna]

Both of Monet's parents have been shown on panel in Generation X. They both were dark skinned. The flashback showing Emplate gaining his powers shows that he and his mother were both Black.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Both of Monet's parents have been shown on panel in Generation X. They both were dark skinned. The flashback showing Emplate gaining his powers shows that he and his mother were both Black.

Cartier's race is a hot topic, as he introduced as a caucasain, and then later portrayed as black. He is not African though, he's from Monaco.

Again even if its just one person who can claim other wise then there is no definite.

Look we'll all have to agree to disagree here. I for one don't even want her to be Black, shes not that great a character and is a horrible bitch to begin with. The one thing that makes her even remotely interest to the majority of people on this board is that she is a major bitch. Sorry I wouldn't want that kind of character theme/association which a fictional representation of a black woman anyway since thats how they are usually depicted in real life.

[rage6839]

I think Monet's father was to be a black Frenchman, which would explain her darker skin tone

[Umbra]

This is her second appearance. She and Synch have similar skin tone. Nowhere near the "passing" in X-Factor. Plus, the X-Factor imges show a trend, she is getting lighter and lighter. In 10 or 20 more issues, she will be Madrox's tone

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/X-Men037__19.jpg

Just to show the awesomeness of Everett Thomas aka Synch

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_18.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/12.jpg

He was just so comfortable in his own skin. No angst or drama and able to pull off other people's powers with ease. Synch is missed


Thank you for post that...it really makes me upset that they killed him off.

[Umbra]

Both of Monet's parents have been shown on panel in Generation X. They both were dark skinned. The flashback showing Emplate gaining his powers shows that he and his mother were both Black.

Yup, but whatever... it's a recon... i mean this is a fictional universe... you can have a rich black french men for monco if you wanted.

[Umbra]

You know reading over this thread has just really pissed me off. Its a damned shame the way Black (African AMERICAN) mutants have been handled over the years. The evidence is striking to say the least. And the more I think of it, this really bothers me. Of any of the Marvel books, the X-Men have always been the title that embraces the differences between peoples cultures..... well at least in the fictional Marvel Universe, in the actual Marvel offices its obviously quite the opposite. Its really crazy if you think about it. And of course me being black just makes it worst from my reading perspective.

Oh and for the recored Synch would have / could have / should have been one of the greatest leaders in X-Men history. Prodigy too for that matter.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/12.jpg


I agreed.

I'm not so big on Prodigy because he is a watered down Synch to me...

I don't want people to get me wrong. I don't want Marvel or the X-office to have qutoas. I would just like to have a good Black American Mutant, that for ONCE is a powerhouse. I mean flight, superstrength, speed and agilty. Durablity? I mean for once...

I mean, when is that last time you see a black male mutant fly in the MU? :biggrin:
Please

DONT SAY Sunspot. Because he is going to be the next M.

Next time they (the X-office) create a black character they need to create a Summers, then just change the skin tone and character to AA.

[Frostbite883]

Name one Black super hero that has returned from the Dead.

How about Steel (John Herny Irons) for one?

During the previous DC Comics crossover event, Our Worlds at War, Steel
was killed during battle and The Black Racer wanted to claim John's soul but, Superman talked him out of it.

[Frostbite883]

Uncle Ben: Resurected at least on once.

Actually, that was an alternate universe Uncle Ben that met
Marvel 616 Spider-Man, not the real Uncle Ben.

[Umbra]

Regading the john henry (steel) thing, im sure since this is the xbook section we were talking about X related characters, and yeah in the Gen X #1, the previews described M as being black......I dont have the issue with me but im sure it starts off as "A black teenager.....and i dont mindher being half french(which im sure people her consider white) and half whatever....but you know im half and half of something and im still dark and consider myself of african descent, she obviously enjoys (maybe not much) being in america, so why shouldnt she identify herself as such

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3848/112433-30331-m-twins_super.jpg

[Kage Kisaragi]

Unless someone is actually going to find this supposed reference to Monet being referred to as a woman of color issue, this color scheme debate is dead in the water. In all practicality various colored panels prove nothing. Her father was depicted both Caucasian and dark skinned.. and her mother has been said to be Algerian and every picture posted by myself and Excel showed that Algerians are NOT dark skinned to the degree early GenX Monet was shown to be. So continued vaunting about Monet's supposed heritage is meaningless in visuals.

[Frostbite883]

Regading the john henry (steel) thing, im sure since this is the xbook section we were talking about X related characters

Good point. I should've started with Prodigy (David Alleyne) instead.

Yep, ol' David Alleyne have died before.

His death happened in New X-Men (vol. 2) #38, when a scene showed
Belasco ripping David's heart out because he thought that David
was lying and actually knew where Illyana Rasputin (Magik I) is.
Foutunately, New X-Men (vol. 2) #39, Elixir uses his newly-acquired
medical knowledge to build David a new heart to replace the one
Belasco ripped out.

[jarrod]

Ambassador St. Croix was also portrayed as much older originally, older than Xaiver even and a member of the Mutant Underground. Really wish I could find a scan of the issue he first appeared in, he spoke with Xaiver and Storm at some benefit iirc. Lobdell created him and Monet this way intentionally, she was always meant to be mixed race.

In Generation X later on, he was retconned into a younger black man by Jay Faerber. I'm not sure if it was intentional or accidental, but the Ambassador's race and age were changed completely. Given the current handling of Monet, I suspect they may be following the original plan again now... might be a nice issue for PAD to touch on?

It's also been speculated that Monet's mother was his second wife (as his first wife was evidently a mutant who died in car accident, and Monet's mother was reportedly killed by Emplate).

[marvell2100]

Whatever they intended for M to be, there are just too many inconsistancies to blow off as minor mistakes. Alterations like this to any other character would definitely not go unnoticed and would spark debate as is the case here.

[bluedmighty]

Your first image is from 1998. This is M in 1994...

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/generation-x/3-1.jpg


...actually, M looked much lighter early on under Bachalo, with Dodson (in 1998) they suddenly darkened her.

Actually, you can see all the GenX covers here (http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/generation-x). She's not as dark as your image on any of them?

You DO realize that M is the same complection as Ev in the majority of the covers right?

That's not what I'm saying at all, don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying Sunch was a boring character, that's irrespective of his skin tone.

I dunno chief.

Granted, but I don't think we've ever gotten a great portrayal of a young male African American.... Ev certainly wasn't it.

As you can see just from the responses here, many other African Americans would disagree.


I *have* really enjoyed characters like Bishop, Maggot, Shola or Gentile though, I think the problem is more in the delivery than the concept itself.

Don't you think it's odd that all the Black Male mutants you like are from someplace other than America?


My favorite recent student (Bling!) is a young black African American too! :biggrin:

Bling!? You had the nerve to diss Synch and your recent favorite student is the fugly child of the comic book version of Ice T?

Assasins and kidnappers? For two "Gangster" Rappers?

You honestly think Bling! is a better representation of of an African American Mutant (never mind the Male thing) than Ev?

:confused:

[bluedmighty]

It doesn't have anything to do with that, the real issue is that Algerian woman are very very light skin in contrast to African women. Not to mention she is half French which could very much lighten her complexion over the average Algerian woman. (hard to imagine in my opinion.) The thing is the colorist of yore fudged up the coloring for Monet way back when. She shouldn't have had dark skin at all, heck it would be as if someone all of a sudden drew Emma as a dark skinned woman with blond hair and blue eyes. Caucasian women who identify with Emma would be kind of awed as to why a Caucasian woman is now dark skinned.

A change is a change. She looks more like Angelo used to.

[Squidboy]

You honestly think Bling! is a better representation of of an African American Mutant (never mind the Male thing) than Ev?

:confused:

Well, for one thing, Bling! is alive, so yeah, she does represent an African American Mutant better than Ev right now.

[darknessatnoon]

Well, for one thing, Bling! is alive, so yeah, she does represent an African American Mutant better than Ev right now.

Bling! is awesome, and she's an intellectual. Anyone who disses her is a misogynist.

[rage6839]

Well, for one thing, Bling! is alive, so yeah, she does represent an African American Mutant better than Ev right now.

And she is purple. I guess that is why she is alive. Has Marvel introduced any African-American women with those features? I know they are mutants and can look freakish but you have Jean, Emma, Dazzler, X-23, and Rahne so there have been instances of normal looking women. Bling doesn't represent all African-Americans. I, personally think she is a walking stereotype but others like her and I can respect that.. Ev would have been a nice counter but he was too normal, hence boring. But that doesn't seem to be the case with everyone.

[Squidboy]

SO i guess in your eyes Flavor flav represents african americans better than Martin Luther king...

lol

but yeah I dont wanna be preachy or anything, but its hard not to when you look at the facts surrounding AA males and the Xmen

Flav is a national treasure, there is no need for comparison where he's concerned. Really, though, I should've worded it better, but I was basically saying that as she's alive right now, Bling! has a better chance than Synch to become what blued wishes to see in the comics.

[Squidboy]

And she is purple. I guess that is why she is alive. Has Marvel introduced any African-American women with those features? I know they are mutants and can look freakish but you have Jean, Emma, Dazzler, X-23, and Rahne so there have been instances of normal looking women. Bling doesn't represent all African-Americans. I, personally think she is a walking stereotype but others like her and I can respect that.. Ev would have been a nice counter but he was too normal, hence boring. But that doesn't seem to be the case with everyone.

I'll just throw out Frenzy, Tempo, and Storm as the first few African American females who are in fact not purple or disfigured - though I've never seen Tempo without the mask on, so I may not be completely accurate.

[rage6839]

I'll just throw out Frenzy, Tempo, and Storm as the first few African American females who are in fact not purple or disfigured - though I've never seen Tempo without the mask on, so I may not be completely accurate.

I stand corrected about Frenzy and Tempo. Storm with her blue eyes and white hair......no. Have Frenzy and Tempo ever been X-Men? I am trying to recall but I think they are both bad guys. It is nice they can draw those features on the evil ones.:evilsmile:

[Umbra]

You DO realize that M is the same complection as Ev in the majority of the covers right?



I dunno chief.



As you can see just from the responses here, many other African Americans would disagree.



Don't you think it's odd that all the Black Male mutants you like are from someplace other than America?



Bling!? You had the nerve to diss Synch and your recent favorite student is the fugly child of the comic book version of Ice T?

Assasins and kidnappers? For two "Gangster" Rappers?

You honestly think Bling! is a better representation of of an African American Mutant (never mind the Male thing) than Ev?

:confused:

I agree blue. That is crazy. But folk are entitled to there own opinion. Bling sucks... just look at the names of her parents ("Daddy Libido" and "Sexy Mutha")... it a sad caricature and is insulting in my opinion.

I loved Synch.

[Sandy Hausler]

They kept Storm when she lost her powers. Hell she even beat Cyclops without them and became team leader(none of that"Cyclops subconsciously wanted to lose" crap either).

I agree. I thought that was one of the stupidest things in X-Men history. Cyclops should have blasted her into the next century.

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

How could I have forgotten her? I was gonna list Jean too, but after only getting Marvel Girl, Phoenix, and Jean Grey, I figured that didn't hold up as well as Psyche/Mirage/Moonstar/Spellbinder

And what about Hank Pym -- Ant Man, Giant Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket and Dr. Pym, Scientific Avenger (or whatever he called himself).

Sandy Hausler

[Umbra]

Whatever they intended for M to be, there are just too many inconsistancies to blow off as minor mistakes. Alterations like this to any other character would definitely not go unnoticed and would spark debate as is the case here.

Indeed. I know I am not blind, nor stupid. It wasn't a minor mistake. I just accept it as a retcon.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/100257-18312-107223-1-x-men-rarities_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11307/253453-19743-118363-3-generation-x-collect_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3848/127633-18594-109932-1-generation-x-annual_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/14955/312322-18594-123437-2-generation-x-annual_super.JPG

[Umbra]

SO i guess in your eyes Flavor flav represents african americans better than Martin Luther king...

lol

but yeah I dont wanna be preachy or anything, but its hard not to when you look at the facts surrounding AA males and the Xmen

It is a fact. Peter David was looking at a thread (s) on Newarama and round the net, and after seeing these decided to focus Darwin being darkskinned again...because he was becoming a pale zombie.

Bling is a caricature. Whereas Ev, was a Alpha-Class (possible Omega) and leader of his team. Yeah, Bling is better lol. They should give “Sexy mutha and Big Libido” mutant powers and let them join next. :eek: :biggrin:

[Umbra]

Flav is a national treasure, there is no need for comparison where he's concerned. Really, though, I should've worded it better, but I was basically saying that as she's alive right now, Bling! has a better chance than Synch to become what blued wishes to see in the comics.

So she has a chance to become a AA male mutant with Omega level powers? LOL:eek:

I will give you this... that would be a first. :smile:

[just another user]

Forgive me if I'm being dense, but surely M is off topic?

The thread is "In Memory of Synch and Prodigy and all the Other Forgotten Next Gen X's."

M is not in the title of the thread

M is currently a high profile member of X Factor.

Perhaps M should be discussed in another thread, because I don't see the logic of discussing her here.

[orkoni1]

Well, I'm sorry that everyone thinks that Bling is just a walking stereotype, but as far as I'm concerned there are ppl out there like her, just like Angelo(skin) whom I considered a stereotype, there are ppl out there like him.

The sad thing is that there are very few ethnic superheroes that don't all represent stereotype(which by the way, there are ppl out there who are stereotypical no matter what your opinion is, they're just like that in real honesty, just watch some mtv vh1 or any of those music channels and you'll see that these ppl do exist also in the streets ofcourse) or that aren't villains.

I loved Synch, I liked Tag, Skin I liked but just couldn't get past the cholo ganster thing, I don't like real life cholos and I don't like them in fiction that is the only reason I came to terms with his death, lol.

Bling is just being characterized out of watching all these things like mtv, lil'jon, lil'mo, flava flav, and I love newyork.

SO yeah she may be stereotypical in some terms, but she represents a group of ppl that aren't represented in comics which is the whole hiphop scene.

Nuff said.

I'll stick with Storm, T'Challa, M, Jubilee, Surge, Hisako, Rictor etc.

Also don't count Prodigy out just yet though, there just has to be a writer that can include him in a story. The only sad thing about him is that he has just become a background character as of right now, Beast's little helper.

I hope that when Infernus or whatever the tittle event is when yana comes back, he will be included in a more important role other than just a background character. After all he has some history in limbo. C&C did a great job incorporating him even after he lost him mutant powers, even though the Cuckoos helped him gain all his memory of all he learned back. I mean he has more knowledge that just how to make machines and stuff, he's got fighting and leader skills for Buddah's sake.

[Umbra]

I'll just throw out Frenzy, Tempo, and Storm as the first few African American females who are in fact not purple or disfigured - though I've never seen Tempo without the mask on, so I may not be completely accurate.

Threnody, Cargill Stephanie Hunter (dance teacher), Neurotap (not X-men), and Cecilia Reyes but she is Afro-Hispanic...she could consider herself AA. I think they showed in one comic, where she did…by calling Storm “Sister.” e is Afro-hispanic... she could consider herself AA.

[Sandy Hausler]

EXCELLENT POINT.

They are either:

Weak or Dead

I have YET to see a MIGHTY African American Male SUPER hero to represent me at Marvel.

But all that changes in November Baby :biggrin:

You mean you don't like Luke Cage?

And what's happening in November?

Sandy Hausler

[orkoni1]

Threnody, Cargill Stephanie Hunter (dance teacher), Neurotap (not X-men), and Cecilia Reyes but she is Afro-Hispanic...she could consider herself AA. I think they showed in one comic, where she did…by calling Storm “Sister.” e is Afro-hispanic... she could consider herself AA.

They're either in limbo, a bad guy, or dead .

[Umbra]

Well, I'm sorry that everyone thinks that Bling is just a walking stereotype, but as far as I'm concerned there are ppl out there like her, just like Angelo(skin) whom I considered a stereotype, there are ppl out there like him.

The sad thing is that there are very few ethnic superheroes that don't all represent stereotype(which by the way, there are ppl out there who are stereotypical no matter what your opinion is, they're just like that in real honesty, just watch some mtv vh1 or any of those music channels and you'll see that these ppl do exist) or that aren't villains.

I loved Synch, I liked Tag, Skin I liked but just couldn't get past the cholo ganster thing, I don't like real life cholos and I don't like them in fiction that is the only reason I came to terms with his death, lol.

Bling is just being characterized out of watching all these things like mtv, lil'jon, lil'mo, flava flav, and I love newyork.

SO yeah she may be stereotypical in some terms, but she represents a group of ppl that aren't represented in comics which is the whole hiphop scene.

Nuff said.

I'll stick with Storm, T'Challa, M, Jubilee, Surge, Hisako, Rictor etc.

Also don't count Prodigy out just yet though, there just has to be a writer that can include him in a story. The only sad thing about him is that he has just become a background character, Beast's little helper.

Yeah, but there are TONS of people that are not represented at all... especially AA males... and when they do the kill them off (Synch) or depower them... or they are lame and weak (Prodigy how is de-powered and was weak/lame powers)... I mean the X-verse is based of the civil rights movement and Malcolm X and MLK… and there isn’t a good repensentation of a AA male.

The only hope is Darwin. Maybe Peter David will the a writer that will finally do justice with a male of color.

So yeah, there are folks that don't want to see those caricatures. I mean, 'Sexy Mutha' lol... comics don't have room for those. They are insulting, especially since there aren't any other counters to them… and the one that was (Synch) was killed for no reason. We see them all the time on MTV and BET.

But I will give you this… there are females that don’t fit that mold… like Storm and Dr. Cecilia Reyes (and M before she became Micheal Jackson:biggrin: ) just to point out of few so I will let it pass.

[Umbra]

They're either in limbo, a bad guy, or dead .

yeah... I know... :frown:

[Umbra]

You mean you don't like Luke Cage?

And what's happening in November?

Sandy Hausler

Ha, You need to watch the episode where they pretty much diss Luke Cage.

But there isn't any character of color that can stand up to Thor, Sentry, Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Gladatior, etc..etc... and there isn't one AA male mutant that could stand up to anyone (depending on Darwin and how he is protrayed).

In November, Milestone is going to DC proper...where you will see someone like ICON who can rivals Superman. Point blank and period. I think that what he was saying.

[Squidboy]

Threnody, Cargill Stephanie Hunter (dance teacher), Neurotap (not X-men), and Cecilia Reyes but she is Afro-Hispanic...she could consider herself AA. I think they showed in one comic, where she did…by calling Storm “Sister.” e is Afro-hispanic... she could consider herself AA.

Cargill and Frenzy are the same person, just so you know. I'm also gonna throw Shard into the mix as a non-disfigured/purple African-American female. And please don't raise the argument the M tattoo was Marvel's way of subtly disfiguring her, because Shard and Bishop are far from the only mutants to have been branded.

[Squidboy]

But there isn't any character of color that can stand up to Thor, Sentry, Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Gladatior, etc..etc... and there isn't one AA male mutant that could stand up to anyone (depending on Darwin and how he is protrayed).

Apocalypse, there.

[Umbra]

Cargill and Frenzy are the same person, just so you know. I'm also gonna throw Shard into the mix as a non-disfigured/purple African-American female. And please don't raise the argument the M tattoo was Marvel's way of subtly disfiguring her, because Shard and Bishop are far from the only mutants to have been branded.

Yeah, but both Shard and Bishop are retcons when it comes to being African decent. Which I really don't understand. The are either Pilipino, or Australian Abdominals

I thought the M was cool.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/d/d3/Synch_006.jpg/690px-Synch_006.jpg :frown:

[Umbra]

Apocalypse, there.

Apocalypse is American American?:confused:

[Squidboy]

Apocalypse is American American?:confused:

You never know, he could've gotten his citizenship in the past few centuries.

[Umbra]

You never know, he could've gotten his citizenship in the past few centuries.

LOL... good sense of humor. :biggrin:

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/3/39/Synch_010.jpg

This is one of the reason I don't like Prodigy. The goggles/glasses thing was first used by Ev.

He just seems like a watered down, Synch.

[Squidboy]

LOL... good sense of humor. :biggrin:

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/3/39/Synch_010.jpg

This is one of the reason I don't like Prodigy. The goggles/glasses thing was first used by Ev.

He just seems like a watered down, Synch.

It could've been an homage, like the X-Men so often do.

[Umbra]

It could've been an homage, like the X-Men so often do.

Yeah, I know it one. Because they are basically the same... but Prodigy is just watered down and has hair.

Synch would copy mutant superpowers and use them better sometimes then the person he was synching, Prodigy on the other hand can copy skills, like speed reading, typing, :biggrin: :eek: :biggrin: just joking... but you get my point.

[LawGiver]

As a gay black man from Boston I have yet to find a strong Marvel character to represent me too.

I am outraged.

[jarrod]

You DO realize that M is the same complection as Ev in the majority of the covers right?
Sure. And now they've corrected that mistake, making Monet's complexion more reflective of and accurate to her specific ethnic background. Diversity's a good thing people.


I dunno chief.
Perfect. I happen to be part Native American for future reference.


As you can see just from the responses here, many other African Americans would disagree.
As is their perogative. Meanwhile, I found Ev to be your average stereotypical do-gooder... he's basically what I'd expect of a white guy trying to write a positive young male black role model. Boring.

Prodigy got it right, Synch didn't.


Don't you think it's odd that all the Black Male mutants you like are from someplace other than America?
I like Bishop, he's American. He might have a faked Australian identity, he might be of Australian heritage, he might be from the future, but he's still American. He grew up in America, he was born in America, and he's pretty much made this his home his whole life.

And like I said before, Prodigy's been growing on me, largely because there's come conflict and complexity to his character (unlike Synch). Cute implication on your part though, chief.


Bling!? You had the nerve to diss Synch and your recent favorite student is the fugly child of the comic book version of Ice T?

Assasins and kidnappers? For two "Gangster" Rappers?

You honestly think Bling! is a better representation of of an African American Mutant (never mind the Male thing) than Ev?

:confused:
I don't believe Bling! to be a better representation of anything except being a character worth reading about. Her whole aesthetic and background is self-consciously absurd, and yet she proved an engaging and complex character for even just the few moments she was on panel. Challenging Foxx, standing up to Rogue, helping defend against Apocalypse; Roxy actually reminded me a bit of Ororo or Dani, that classic self assured Claremont archetype of a commanding, powerful, intelligent woman. She's cliche prime leadership material, but she's still a progressive and logical thinker. That's actually the magic of the character, she's more than just the sum of her limited setup.... did you actually read her appearances?

[Umbra]

Sure. And now they've corrected that mistake, making Monet's complexion more reflective of and accurate to her specific ethnic background. Diversity's a good thing people.



Perfect. I happen to be part Native American for future reference.



As is their perogative. Meanwhile, I found Ev to be your average stereotypical do-gooder... he's basically what I'd expect of a white guy trying to write a positive young male black role model. Boring.

Prodigy got it right, Synch didn't.



I like Bishop, he's American. He might have a faked Australian identity, he might be of Australian heritage, he might be from the future, but he's still American. He grew up in America, he was born in America, and he's pretty much made this his home his whole life.

And like I said before, Prodigy's been growing on me, largely because there's come conflict and complexity to his character (unlike Synch). Cute implication on your part though, chief.



I don't believe Bling! to be a better representation of anything except being a character worth reading about. Her whole aesthetic and background is self-consciously absurd, and yet she proved an engaging and complex character for even just the few moments she was on panel. Challenging Foxx, standing up to Rogue, helping defend against Apocalypse; Roxy actually reminded me a bit of Ororo or Dani, that classic self assured Claremont archetype of a commanding, powerful, intelligent woman. She's cliche prime leadership material, but she's still a progressive and logical thinker. That's actually the magic of the character, she's more than just the sum of her limited setup.... did you actually read her appearances?

I guess it's a matter of taste. I think both Bling and Prodigy suck. There is nothing complex about being weak and depowered. Synch was fine (in my opinion), and you will find many, many readers that loved him as a character. He was confindent, he was a leader, he was learning to control his powers... that was different.

Prodigy? He learns knowledge and skills when he is near people, then loses it when they are not? and he can't even do that now. That is lame.


http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/2/2a/Synch_002.jpg
RIP Synch

[jarrod]

I guess it's a matter of taste. I think both Bling and Prodigy suck. There is nothing complex about being weak and depowered. Synch was fine (in my opinion), and you will find many, many readers that loved him as a character. He was confindent, he was a leader, he was learning to control his powers... that was different.

Prodigy? He learns knowledge and skills when he is near people, then loses it when they are not? and he can't even do that now. That is lame.


http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/2/2a/Synch_002.jpg
RIP Synch
Prodigy's not exactly what I'd call weak, despite his depowering. In fact, that stuggle makes his character even more interesting; he's literally now an outsider among outsiders. His struggle to remain with the team and prove his worth even if no longer a mutant anymore, was a great character arc. And the peak where he shot down Surge and put down Hellion; it was perfect. He showed strength where it really matters.

The most interesting thing Synch ever did was die. He makes a better BiR than he did anything else. RIP indeed.

[Umbra]

Prodigy's not exactly what I'd call weak, despite his depowering. In fact, that stuggle makes his character even more interesting; he's literally now an outsider among outsiders. His struggle to remain with the team and prove his worth even if no longer a mutant anymore, was a great character arc. And the peak where he shot down Surge and put down Hellion; it was perfect. He showed strength where it really matters.

The most interesting thing Synch ever did was die. He makes a better BiR than he did anything else. RIP indeed.

So he is cool because he is depowered, and then showed strength because he put people down?

Right. He is lame.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_05.jpg

This isn't.

note, He doesn't have active powers here.

[jarrod]

So he is cool because he is depowered, and the showed strength because he put people down?

Right. He is lame.
No, he showed strength because he stood his ground and did what it took to prove his place with the team.

What's lame is the sudden effort on your part to throw what few worthwhile black characters the XBooks have left under the bus in some misguided defense of a flat, dead cliche like Synch. Grow up.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_05.jpg

This isn't. note, he doesn't have active powers here.
I especially like the backwards, cap, oversized jersey and army of guncocked police. How could I have so misunderstood this progressive and sensitive portrayal of American American youth?

[Blade X]

X-Factor #34, though Darwin himself is half black/half Puerto Rican, so he's still relatively light-skinned. Just not chalk white like he was before

You do know that not all Puerto Ricans are light skinned. In fact, MOST, if not ALL Puerto Ricans are of black African descent (as well as white European descent and brown native Puerto Rican descent).

[Umbra]

What's lame is the sudden effort on your part to throw what few worthwhile black characters the XBooks have left under the bus in some misguided defense of a flat, dead cliche like Synch. Grow up.


That's not many. Because it's only depowered David. I don't think he is worthwhile. There are many that agree. You don't, that is your opinion. So you can grow up.

Funny how Big daddy libido- sexy moma Bling is ok, but Synch, the Alpha mutant, X-Leader...standing up to cops because he blew out windows synching with Banshee power is lame... just because he has his cap backwards, and has baggy jeans... looks like I did at his age. Looks like a young AA male.

Point is, you like depowered Prodigy aka Synch-very lite... I like Synch. case closed.

Now he doesn't have powers, but the cuckoos gave him the skill he learned before... he is lame. I mean it would make sense if it was a character that had a power like superstrenght, speed or telekintics trying to prove themselves... but someone that gains temp knowledge and otherwise is just a regular kid. It's lame.

Just my opinion.

[Squidboy]

You do know that not all Puerto Ricans are light skinned. In fact, MOST, if not ALL Puerto Ricans are of black African descent (as well as white European descent and brown native Puerto Rican descent).

I also know that Armando's father was featured in the book, and this was not the case with him. His mother is African American, and his father is a light-skinned Puerto-Rican, so he was colored in the book as a fair mix of his heritage.

[jarrod]

That's not many. Because it's only depowered David. I don't think he is worthwhile. There are many that agree. You don't, that is your opinion. So you can grow up.

Funny how Big daddy libido- sexy moma Bling is ok, but Synch, the Alpha mutant, X-Leader...standing up to cops because he blew out windows synching with Banshee power is lame... just because he has his cap backwards, and has baggy jeans... looks like I did at his age. Looks like a young AA male.

Point is, you like depowered Prodigy aka Synch-very lite... I like Synch. case closed.

Now he doesn't have powers, but the cuckoos gave him the skill he learned before... he is lame. I mean it would make sense if it was a character that had a power like superstrenght, speed or telekintics trying to prove themselves... but someone that gains temp knowledge and otherwise is just a regular kid. It's lame.

Just my opinion.
The thing is Prodigy isn't Synch-lite, if anything his story boasts more parallels with Doug Ramsey (in fact, he even alluded to that on panel). And Bling!'s great because her character is more than just the sum of her absurd background, in fact she supercedes it, which for a backgrounder is pretty remarkable in itself.

That seems to be the core of the issue here, I enjoy these characters because they're just inherently great, fun to read about characters. I don't care about race, or representation, or whatever, where as you can't seem to see past that. Hence your endless childish "Big daddy libido- sexy moma Bling" swipes, which frankly mean little to the actual character in question.

Ask yourself this... how much of a Synch fan would have been had he been white? How interesting a character do think he'd have been, how important his story or how unfair his death? Me, I think I'd feel pretty much the same way about him... how about you?

[Umbra]

The thing is Prodigy isn't Synch-lite, if anything his story boasts more parallels with Doug Ramsey (in fact, he even alluded to that on panel). And Bling!'s great because her character is more than just the sum of her absurd background, in fact she supercedes it, which for a backgrounder is pretty remarkable in itself.

That seems to be the core of the issue here, I enjoy these characters because they're just inherently great, fun to read about characters. I don't care about race, or representation, or whatever, where as you can't seem to see past that. Hence your endless childish "Big daddy libido- sexy moma Bling" swipes, which frankly mean little to the actual character in question.

Ask yourself this... how much of a Synch fan would have been had he been white? How interesting a character do think he'd have been, how important his story or how unfair his death? Me, I think I'd feel pretty much the same way about him... how about you?


It would not matter at all. I grew up reading Superman, Batman, Wolverine, Cable, etc..etc...I like these characters, and reading comics you mostly don’t have a choice. I have never been a fan of Bishop. I also grew up reading Gen X, and Synch was my favorite. So I don’t get your point.

I am just pointing out that in the X-verse, there seems to be a HUGE issue with AA males mutants. It’s a fact…that is not made up...and the indifference that I read on this board and others is what bothers a lot of AA readers, some who have voiced there concern.

I liked the fact that Synch was a leader, was potentially an Omega, and was currently classed as Alpha, was smart, claim and collective… the fact that he was cool... and his team looked to him…the fact that he was one of the centeral characters on his team, and a focus for much of the Gen X run. That he wasn’t a stereotype, and still could rock his cap backwards, and wear baggy jeans...

To me, that was different...then the usaual joke characters you see.

David is just not that good of a character to me. Even if he was white, blue, green....I would think he was lame. His powers are LAME. Opps, I forgot he doesn’t have them anymore. Again, it would have been more interesting seeing an active telepath, someone who had mutant powers that like strength, speed, or energy losing their powers, then trying to fit in. Not someone that can knowledge of who ever he is near, then lose it.

[Blade X]

Lookks like it's that time again to list all of Marvel's black mutant characters of African descent and their status.

Storm (currently appearing in AXM and UXM)
Bishop (bad guy and retconned into being Australian Aborigine)
Nehzno (limbo)
Darwin (currently appearing in X-FACTOR)
Tag (dead)
Cecilia Reyes (in limbo, and if the editors have their way, dead)
Sunspot (in YXM as a guest star)
Becka (in GENEXT)
Synch (dead)
Maggot (dead)
Anarchist (dead)
Spike (dead)
Spyke (from X-MEN EVOLUTION, never made it to the mainstream MU)
Storm's god son from the 90's X-Men cartoon (never made it to the comics)
Shane Shooter (limbo)
Prodigy (depowered, later sort of repowered, now in limbo)
Windshear (depowered and in limbo)
Shola (depowered and in limbo)
Hub (depowered and in limbo)
Jessie Bedlam (dead)
Aaron Bedlam (depowered)
Bling (limbo)
Frenzy (limbo)
Pathway (limbo)
Goblyn (limbo)
the REAL John Wraith (dead)
Krystal (from X-MEN 2099, in limbo)
Angel (depowered, but is now using devices to give her super powers as part of the New Warriors)
Phaser/Radian (depowered member of the New Warriors)
Tatoo/Longstrike (depowered, and later dead member of the New Warriors)
Bandit (depowered leader of the New warriors)

Anyone who can't see that their is obviously a problem the way Marvel portrays and/or treats their black mutant characters of African descent, they are either blind or in denial.

[marvell2100]

Lookks like it's that time again to list all of Marvel's black mutant characters of African descent and their status.

Storm (currently appearing in AXM and UXM)
Bishop (bad guy and retconned into being Australian Aborigine)
Nehzno (limbo)
Darwin (currently appearing in X-FACTOR)
Tag (dead)
Cecilia Reyes (in limbo, and if the editors have their way, dead)
Sunspot (in YXM as a guest star)
Becka (in GENEXT)
Synch (dead)
Maggot (dead)
Anarchist (dead)
Spike (dead)
Spyke (from X-MEN EVOLUTION, never made it to the mainstream MU)
Storm's god son from the 90's X-Men cartoon (never made it to the comics)
Shane Shooter (limbo)
Prodigy (depowered, later sort of repowered, now in limbo)
Windshear (depowered and in limbo)
Shola (depowered and in limbo)
Hub (depowered and in limbo)
Jessie Bedlam (dead)
Aaron Bedlam (depowered)
Bling (limbo)
Frenzy (limbo)
Pathway (limbo)
Goblyn (limbo)
the REAL John Wraith (dead)
Krystal (from X-MEN 2099, in limbo)
Angel (depowered, but is now using devices to give her super powers as part of the New Warriors)
Phaser/Radian (depowered member of the New Warriors)
Tatoo/Longstrike (depowered, and later dead member of the New Warriors)
Bandit (depowered leader of the New warriors)

Anyone who can't see that their is obviously a problem the way Marvel portrays and/or treats their black mutant characters of African descent, they are either blind or in denial.

Not a very good track record at all.

[Umbra]

Lookks like it's that time again to list all of Marvel's black mutant characters of African descent and their status.

Storm (currently appearing in AXM and UXM)
Bishop (bad guy and retconned into being Australian Aborigine)
Nehzno (limbo)
Darwin (currently appearing in X-FACTOR)
Tag (dead)
Cecilia Reyes (in limbo, and if the editors have their way, dead)
Sunspot (in YXM as a guest star)
Becka (in GENEXT)
Synch (dead)
Maggot (dead)
Anarchist (dead)
Spike (dead)
Spyke (from X-MEN EVOLUTION, never made it to the mainstream MU)
Storm's god son from the 90's X-Men cartoon (never made it to the comics)
Shane Shooter (limbo)
Prodigy (depowered, later sort of repowered, now in limbo)
Windshear (depowered and in limbo)
Shola (depowered and in limbo)
Hub (depowered and in limbo)
Jessie Bedlam (dead)
Aaron Bedlam (depowered)
Bling (limbo)
Frenzy (limbo)
Pathway (limbo)
Goblyn (limbo)
the REAL John Wraith (dead)
Krystal (from X-MEN 2099, in limbo)
Angel (depowered, but is now using devices to give her super powers as part of the New Warriors)
Phaser/Radian (depowered member of the New Warriors)
Tatoo/Longstrike (depowered, and later dead member of the New Warriors)
Bandit (depowered leader of the New warriors)

Anyone who can't see that their is obviously a problem the way Marvel portrays and/or treats their black mutant characters of African descent, they are either blind or in denial.


Now look at African American male mutants... there is really no excuse. The X-men were based in NY for how many years?

Darwin[ the albino alien zombie] (currently appearing in X-FACTOR)
Jessie Bedlam (dead)
Aaron Bedlam (depowered)
the REAL John Wraith (dead)
Synch (dead)
Prodigy (depowered, later sort of repowered, now in limbo)

[Blade X]

I also know that Armando's father was featured in the book, and this was not the case with him. His mother is African American, and his father is a light-skinned Puerto-Rican, so he was colored in the book as a fair mix of his heritage.

1. I know his father is light skinned.

2. Just because his father is light skinned does NOT mean that his father doesn't have any African ancestry or that one or both of his parents weren't dark skinned.

[Umbra]

Lookks like it's that time again to list all of Marvel's
Anyone who can't see that their is obviously a problem the way Marvel portrays and/or treats their black mutant characters of African descent, they are either blind or in denial.

Thank you for that list, because I was just about to make my own. I read comics, despite this... I am just saying that it's really bother some and disturbing.

Synch death was a slap in the face, and was unneeded.

[Umbra]

1. I know his father is light skinned.

2. Just because his father is light skinned does NOT mean that his father doesn't have any African ancestry or that one or both of his parents weren't dark skinned.

Yup, in fact Cecilia Reyes is the perfect example. She's PR.

[marvell2100]

As I recall a conversation between Emma and Sean, they were saying that Ev was the most well adjusted of all the Gen Xers. No angst. No self-pity. No "...wishing I never had these powers!" I guess that must make for boring.

[jarrod]

Blade, you forgot Apocalypse... and by extension his descendants (including Jono actually).

It would not matter at all. I grew up reading Superman, Batman, Wolverine, Cable, etc..etc...I like these characters, and reading comics you mostly don’t have a choice. I have never been a fan of Bishop. I also grew up reading Gen X, and Synch was my favorite. So I don’t get your point.

I am just pointing out that in the X-verse, there seems to be a HUGE issue with AA males mutants. It’s a fact…that is not made up...and the indifference that I read on this board and others is what bothers a lot of AA readers, some who have voiced there concern.

I liked the fact that Synch was a leader, was potentially an Omega, and was currently classed as Alpha, was smart, claim and collective… the fact that he was cool... and his team looked to him…the fact that he was one of the centeral characters on his team, and a focus for much of the Gen X run. That he wasn’t a stereotype, and still could rock his cap backwards, and wear baggy jeans...

To me, that was different...then the usaual joke characters you see.

David is just not that good of a character to me. Even if he was white, blue, green....I would think he was lame. His powers are LAME. Opps, I forgot he doesn’t have them anymore. Again, it would have been more interesting seeing an active telepath, someone who had mutant powers that like strength, speed, or energy losing their powers, then trying to fit in. Not someone that can knowledge of who ever he is near, then lose it.
I don't think anyone's saying Marvel doesn't have an issue with black characters here, indeed it seems about as patently obvious as the WiR phenomenon and recent Uncanny gaybashing scandal. Don't take specific character criticism as that, I've had enough with the race baiting in this thread.

My problem with Synch is that he seemed plain, and that was about all there was too him. The inversion seemed so obvious, he was so well adjusted, so super competent, so always right... I dunno, it felt subversively insulting. And here I thought perfection was Monet's mutation?

Ev wasn't ever hinted at as Omega either iirc, the closest he came was probably mirroring Jono.

I'm a bit surprised you think David's powers were LAME as you put it, given his proximity/time based info dump isn't all that removed from Ev's own rainbow power mimicry. Different strokes I guess, I tend to think most context dependent mutations are a bit hokey, but his ability wasn't why I warmed to David... it was his story. His powers are really incidental to that.

[Blade X]

Thank you for that list, because I was just about to make my own. I read comics, despite this... I am just saying that it's really bother some and disturbing.

Synch death was a slap in the face, and was unneeded.

You're welcome.

Not only was Synch's death a slap in the face and unneeded, it was also stupid and preventable based on the characters powers and the context of the story. Synch could have EASILY survived that bomb blast by synching up with Monet's powers (which includes INVULNERABILITY) and using those powers to it's fullest potential.

[darknessatnoon]

You're welcome.

Not only was Synch's death a slap in the face and unneeded, it was also stupid and preventable based on the characters powers and the context of the story. Synch could have EASILY survived that bomb blast by synching up with Monet's powers (which includes INVULNERABILITY) and using those powers to it's fullest potential.

He was too far away. It was a tragedy.

[rage6839]

No, he showed strength because he stood his ground and did what it took to prove his place with the team.

What's lame is the sudden effort on your part to throw what few worthwhile black characters the XBooks have left under the bus in some misguided defense of a flat, dead cliche like Synch. Grow up.



I especially like the backwards, cap, oversized jersey and army of guncocked police. How could I have so misunderstood this progressive and sensitive portrayal of American American youth?

Backwards hat, yeah. Oversized hockey jerssey, no. Guns pointing at him because he is mutant and not black, no. Him not holding a gun sideways and explaining the situation rationally, no. You like Bling, all good but Synch had his fans and his death was a waste

[Blade X]

He was too far away. It was a tragedy.

She was in the hallway outside the room that the bomb blew up in. And before she left the room, she was right next to him when they were figuring out how to deal with the bomb.

So it wasn't a tragedy, it was a travesty of storytelling.

[Umbra]

Blade, you forgot Apocalypse... and by extension his descendants (including Jono actually).


I don't think anyone's saying Marvel doesn't have an issue with black characters here, indeed it seems about as patently obvious as the WiR phenomenon and recent Uncanny gaybashing scandal. Don't take specific character criticism as that, I've had enough with the race baiting in this thread.

My problem with Synch is that he seemed plain, and that was about all there was too him. The inversion seemed so obvious, he was so well adjusted, so super competent, so always right... I dunno, it felt subversively insulting. And here I thought perfection was Monet's mutation?

Ev wasn't ever hinted at as Omega either iirc, the closest he came was probably mirroring Jono.

I'm a bit surprised you think David's powers were LAME as you put it, given his proximity/time based info dump isn't all that removed from Ev's own rainbow power mimicry. Different strokes I guess, I tend to think most context dependent mutations are a bit hokey, but his ability wasn't why I warmed to David... it was his story. His powers are really incidental to that.

Well he was a Alpha and it was said that he could possible retain 'synched' powers of lets say other Omegas... then use them as his own, in theory.

Ev's issue was the writer... there is no reason they could have not expanded upon his story. They just killed him.

[darknessatnoon]

She was in the hallway outside the room that the bomb blew up in. And before she left the room, she was right next to him when they were figuring out how to deal with the bomb.

So it wasn't a tragedy, it was a travesty of storytelling.

If only she had been closer. :frown:

[Umbra]

She was in the hallway outside the room that the bomb blew up in. And before she left the room, she was right next to him when they were figuring out how to deal with the bomb.

So it wasn't a tragedy, it was a travesty of storytelling.

Pretty much.

[Blade X]

If only she had been closer. :frown:

If only Warren Ellis wasn't the writer of that crappy story.:frown:

[Umbra]

Backwards hat, yeah. Oversized hockey jerssey, no. Guns pointing at him because he is mutant and not black, no. Him not holding a gun sideways and explaining the situation rationally, no. You like Bling, all good but Synch had his fans and his death was a waste

I agree. He was a waste of a character. I would have rather he when into limbo. To me that is more "strength" when it counts, then David talking down to and telling off people.

[jarrod]

Backwards hat, yeah. Oversized hockey jerssey, no. Guns pointing at him because he is mutant and not black, no. Him not holding a gun sideways and explaining the situation rationally, no. You like Bling, all good but Synch had his fans and his death was a waste
I think you're taking that comment a bit too seriously.

[Blade X]

Ev's issue was the writer... there is no reason they could have not expanded upon his story. They just killed him.

Larry Hama was planning on doing something with Synch's powers, but he was fired before he got a chance to do anything with his powers. Speaking of Larry Hama, notice how his run on GEN X focused very heavily on Synch and one of his subplots delt with racism towards Synch and Jubilee, not because they were mutants, but because they were black and Asian (a topic that is very personal to Hama because of his own personal experience with racism).

[rage6839]

She was in the hallway outside the room that the bomb blew up in. And before she left the room, she was right next to him when they were figuring out how to deal with the bomb.

So it wasn't a tragedy, it was a travesty of storytelling.

Warren Ellis sux!! I could have swore Synch had greater range than that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_07.jpg

Banshee was in the general vicinity around when Everett used his powers the first time (bottom right corner). He should have easily synched with M.

I am not going to hate on Prodigy, but it just appears they are trying to correct their error in killing Synch, but he is still missed and wanted

I have to give Marvel credit though for being consistent. They like thier African-American male X-Men to have powers dependent on others and their African-American female X-Men to be blond

[rage6839]

I think you're taking that comment a bit too seriously.

Too serious? You made an arguement out what you thought was stereotypical about that panel, and I made a counter refuting 75% of stance. Where was I too serious?

[Umbra]

Larry Hama was planning on doing something with Synch's powers, but he was fired before he got a chance to do anything with his powers. Speaking of Larry Hama, notice how his run on GEN X focused very heavily on Synch and one of his subplots delt with racism towards Synch and Jubilee, not because they were mutants, but because they were black and Asian (a topic that is very personal to Hama because of his own personal experience with racism).

That's what I am trying to explain to Jarrod. He was the focus... of a X-book. A black american, written by an Asian American (Japanese)... he was possibly the most powerful member of the team. who just happend to be black.

I thought Ev, was portrayed as a strongly.

It had been theorized that, with practice, Synch would have been able to permanently retain powers and abilities he acquired in this manner. --Marvel.com

They should have added So before that could happend, we had to kill him before that could occur.