In Memory of Synch and Prodigy and all the Other Forgotten Next Gen X's.

[jarrod]

Too serious? You made an arguement out what you thought was stereotypical about that panel, and I made a counter refuting 75% of stance. Where was I too serious?
It was humor. Beast taught me how.

[Blade X]

[B]I have to give Marvel credit though for being consistent. They like thier African-American male X-Men to have powers dependent on others and their African-American female X-Men to be blond

Sad, but true.

[jarrod]

That's what I am trying to explain to Jarrod. He was the focus... of a X-book. A black american, written by an Asian American (Japanese)... he was possibly the most powerful member of the team. who just happend to be black.

I thought Ev, was portrayed as a strongly.
David was a focus character too. And being the least powerful member of the team just made his contributions all the more impressive.

All I really remembered of Hama's GenX was garbage like the Pooka and Gaia. He was fired with good reason.

[rage6839]

Larry Hama was planning on doing something with Synch's powers, but he was fired before he got a chance to do anything with his powers. Speaking of Larry Hama, notice how his run on GEN X focused very heavily on Synch and one of his subplots delt with racism towards Synch and Jubilee, not because they were mutants, but because they were black and Asian (a topic that is very personal to Hama because of his own personal experience with racism).

Larry Hama was a great writer and I loved his work on Wolverine. He talked about comics needing more diversity and actually did something about it. Did he write that mini with Synch and Jubille in the future? Time to dig through my comics. Glad they are labelled.:smile:

[Squidboy]

I have to give Marvel credit though for being consistent. They like thier African-American male X-Men to have powers dependent on others and their African-American female X-Men to be blond

So we're ignoring Bishop and Darwin for the sake of this argument? And Cecelia Reyes as well?

[rage6839]

So we're ignoring Bishop and Darwin for the sake of this argument? And Cecelia Reyes as well?

I was wrong about Darwin. I am nowhere near perfect. But as much as I like Bishop, and I really, really, really, really do. He is and Aborigine now and his powers depends on an outside source. Celia Reyes is not African-American but still a very cool character. Where is she anyway?


jarrodIt was humor. Beast taught me how.

That Beast is a funny guy.

[Umbra]

David was a focus character too. And being the least powerful member of the team just made his contributions all the more impressive.

All I really remembered of Hama's GenX was garbage like the Pooka and Gaia. He was fired with good reason.


Ev > David. :biggrin:

[Squidboy]

I was wrong about Darwin. I am nowhere near perfect. But as much as I like Bishop, and I really, really, really, really do. He is and Aborigine now and his powers depends on an outside source. Celia Reyes is not African-American but still a very cool character. Where is she anyway?

That doesn't make Bishop not African-American, does it? If Sunspot is considered a Black character, then surely Bishop is too

[Blade X]

That doesn't make Bishop not African-American, does it? If Sunspot is considered a Black character, then surely Bishop is too

Because Australian Aborigine's are not of African descent like many (if not MOST) Brazilians are. Many Brazilians are descended from African slaves.

[rage6839]

That doesn't make Bishop not African-American, does it? If Sunspot is considered a Black character, then surely Bishop is too

Bishop descendants are from Australia not Africa. He is black but not African-American and his pwers depend on an outside source. But the fact he is a great tactician and cop, more than made up for that. He is still my avatar and wallpaper though and gets much love.

[Umbra]

David, AKA Prodigy was AA
Ev, aka Synch was AA

Also, Sunspot is Brazilian.

[marvell2100]

Bishop's first appearance totally impressed me. I thought, WOW, here was a AA/Blackman/Minority who commander such power and respect and stood toe-to-toe against the X-Men. Did it impress me more because he was black? I'll admit yes. I did not see that type of thing in the X-books that often. As a matter of fact, the last AA with that kind of power prior to that was Moses Magnum if I'm not mistaken and that was about over 160 issues prior.

SIDE NOTE: I just want to thank everyone for keeping things pretty much civil towards each other. I'm enjoying reading everyones views whether I agree or disagree. I know that this can be a sensitive subject and emotions can't always be held in check.

[rage6839]

Bishop's first appearance totally impressed me. I thought, WOW, here was a AA/Blackman/Minority who commander such power and respect and stood toe-to-toe against the X-Men. Did it impress me more because he was black? I'll admit yes. I did not see that type of thing in the X-books that often. As a matter of fact, the last AA with that kind of power prior to that was Moses Magnum if I'm not mistaken and that was about over 160 issues prior.

SIDE NOTE: I just want to thank everyone for keeping things pretty much civil towards each other. I'm enjoying reading everyones views whether I agree or disagree. I know that this can be a sensitive subject and emotions can't always be held in check.

Thank you marvell2100 for expressing how I felt about Bishop in more eloquent terms. I always pictured him leading a team one day, but now that appears to be in doubt.

[marvell2100]

Thank you marvell2100 for expressing how I felt about Bishop in more eloquent terms. I always pictured him leading a team one day, but now that appears to be in doubt.

Thanks. I'm still holding out hope that some writer will remember what Bishop is all about and what he stood for. For now, I just content myself with reading his earlier appearances in the X-books and his own very good but short-lived series by Joseph Harris and Georges Jeanty. Great story, great art.

[BulletSpeed]

Lookks like it's that time again to list all of Marvel's black mutant characters of African descent and their status.

Storm (currently appearing in AXM and UXM)
Bishop (bad guy and retconned into being Australian Aborigine)
Nehzno (limbo)
Darwin (currently appearing in X-FACTOR)
Tag (dead)
Cecilia Reyes (in limbo, and if the editors have their way, dead)
Sunspot (in YXM as a guest star)
Becka (in GENEXT)
Synch (dead)
Maggot (dead)
Anarchist (dead)
Spike (dead)
Spyke (from X-MEN EVOLUTION, never made it to the mainstream MU)
Storm's god son from the 90's X-Men cartoon (never made it to the comics)
Shane Shooter (limbo)
Prodigy (depowered, later sort of repowered, now in limbo)
Windshear (depowered and in limbo)
Shola (depowered and in limbo)
Hub (depowered and in limbo)
Jessie Bedlam (dead)
Aaron Bedlam (depowered)
Bling (limbo)
Frenzy (limbo)
Pathway (limbo)
Goblyn (limbo)
the REAL John Wraith (dead)
Krystal (from X-MEN 2099, in limbo)
Angel (depowered, but is now using devices to give her super powers as part of the New Warriors)
Phaser/Radian (depowered member of the New Warriors)
Tatoo/Longstrike (depowered, and later dead member of the New Warriors)
Bandit (depowered leader of the New warriors)

Anyone who can't see that their is obviously a problem the way Marvel portrays and/or treats their black mutant characters of African descent, they are either blind or in denial.

Wow.... just wow.:mad:

[Umbra]

This is what I want to know...they have killed someone other then Synch and Skin? I mean couldn't the X-office depower other mutants?

Why couldn't someone like Paige Guthrie (Husk) or Jono Starsmore (Chamber) die. They both joined the X-Men. Synch was better then both... and yet he dies.

Jubilee depowered? Skin killed, but Hust and Chamber...off the the X-men.

I'm just saying.:evilangry:

[LawGiver]

This is what I want to know...they have killed someone other then Synch and Skin? I mean couldn't the X-office depower other mutants?

Why couldn't someone like Paige Guthrie (Husk) or Jono Starsmore (Chamber) die. They both joined the X-Men. Synch was better then both... and yet he dies.

Jubilee depowered? Skin killed, but Hust and Chamber...off the the X-men.

I'm just saying.:evilangry:

Have you seen what has happened to Jubilee and Chamber? I am sure both of them would trade spots with Synch if given the chance in a heartbeat.

There is no race conspircy in Marvel comics. Equal treatment for all characters, plenty of white, asian, latino, gay, women characters that get put into limbo or shafted.

[rage6839]

This is what I want to know...they have killed someone other then Synch and Skin? I mean couldn't the X-office depower other mutants?

Why couldn't someone like Paige Guthrie (Husk) or Jono Starsmore (Chamber) die. They both joined the X-Men. Synch was better then both... and yet he dies.

Jubilee depowered? Skin killed, but Hust and Chamber...off the the X-men.

I'm just saying.:evilangry:

Yeah, M was the only one to escape unscathed. Skin's and Synch's deaths serve no greater purpose. And with Monet within a few feet, that was some sloppy writing by Ellis. Good luck to Darwin and Prodigy, Synch had about 5 years but I don't give them that long.
Off topic, Larry Hama has a new series called Spooks and it is pretty good. Check it out.

[Umbra]

Have you seen what has happened to Jubilee and Chamber? I am sure both of them would trade spots with Synch if given the chance in a heartbeat.

There is no race conspircy in Marvel comics. Equal treatment for all characters, plenty of white, asian, latino, gay, women characters that get put into limbo or shafted.

But they are alive.

I don't know about conspircy at Marvel comics... but facts are facts, and I don't see equal treatment. While I agree that asian, latino and gay characters get shafted also. But, you can look above to see that there is only one living AA male mutant who is now depowered. Facts are facts.

[Umbra]

Yeah, M was the only one to escape unscathed. Skin's and Synch's deaths serve no greater purpose. And with Monet within a few feet, that was some sloppy writing by Ellis. Good luck to Darwin and Prodigy, Synch had about 5 years but I don't give them that long.
Off topic, Larry Hama has a new series called Spooks and it is pretty good. Check it out.

I know. That is sad... it doesn't look well for either in my opinion.

[LawGiver]

But they are alive.

I don't know about conspircy at Marvel comics... but facts are facts, and I don't see equal treatment. While I agree that asian, latino and gay characters get shafted also. But, you can look above to see that there is only one living AA male mutant who is now depowered. Facts are facts.

Yea, but you're using these facts to try and prove that there is some kind of racist conspircy towards only black characters in comic books. I'm telling you you are wrong. The status of those characters is true, but the meaning you put behind them is completely false.

[rage6839]

Yea, but you're using these facts to try and prove that there is some kind of racist conspircy towards only black characters in comic books. I'm telling you you are wrong. The status of those characters is true, but the meaning you put behind them is completely false.

Unless you are in on the meetings, you can guarantee nothing. There is a list in this thread that shows what has to African-Americans in the X-Verse nd it is trifling. All groups get shafted but when you look at the percentages, it makes it worse. Bishop could have easily been the good guy instead of Cable. Why did they make that choice. Why did Synch die and Jono live? It may not be a conspiracy but something don't smell right.

[LawGiver]

Unless you are in on the meetings, you can guarantee nothing. There is a list in this thread that shows what has to African-Americans in the X-Verse nd it is trifling. All groups get shafted but when you look at the percentages, it makes it worse. Bishop could have easily been the good guy instead of Cable. Why did they make that choice. Why did Synch die and Jono live? It may not be a conspiracy but something don't smell right.

Yea, these pathetic assumptions of racism at Marvel Comics. That smells like shit to me.

[Umbra]

Yea, but you're using these facts to try and prove that there is some kind of racist conspircy towards only black characters in comic books. I'm telling you you are wrong. The status of those characters is true, but the meaning you put behind them is completely false.

The only meaning I am pointing out is reality. That's what I am pointing out.

They are either dead, in limbo, you cannot tell they are black, depowered, have dependant powers, or lame ones. DC has WAY MORE AA characters... and DC (before milestone) lacked diversity.

There is no excuse for one depowered AA male in the X-books. I am not saying it's racist. I am saying they (the X-office/writers) need to fit it.

Same for asian, gay, etc... but it hits home harder because the very real influence of the X-men was based on the Civil Rights movement and two AA males. Yet we can't even get one in the titles.

I am not talking about the whole MU. You have BP and Luke Cage, you have James Rhodes, etc... but in the X-verse it is very noticable.

I'm just going to say good luck to Darwin and David. But both characters will not be round under the same trend.

[rage6839]

Yea, these pathetic assumptions of racism at Marvel Comics. That smells like shit to me.

And I thank you for your opinion. It was greatly appreciated.

I believe Marvel is a company that is pursuit of the all-mighty dollar. Maybe they don't believe the fans would support African-American characters. There has got to be a reason African-American mutants are being killed or depowered at such an alrming rate.

[RolandJP]

Yea, these pathetic assumptions of racism at Marvel Comics. That smells like shit to me.

I agree. As a matter of fact my spy in the X-offices has shown me the plans they have to retcon an AA male character thought dead/depowered. He will return with Omega level mutant powers within the next 6 months.

Youll see :tongue:

[Umbra]

I agree. As a matter of fact my spy in the X-offices has shown me the plans they have to retcon an AA male character thought dead/depowered. He will return with Omega level mutant powers within the next 6 months.

Youll see :tongue:

I hope so...

So basically, it's either Synch or Prodigy with a retcon. I will hope it's Synch.:evilsmile:

[Pach!]

I don't think people at Marvel are racist at all. I don't see anything pointing towards that. Chris Yost depowered Prodigy, but also created Nezhno and is writing a Storm mini. Ed Brubaker may have been the one that made Darwin have pale skin but he's also the one that decided that one of the surviving characters of his deadly genesis story be the son of a hispanic father and an african american mother. And the list goes on.


And there are many important black characters. The leader of the New Warriors is black, Storm is black, Ultimate Nick Fury is black, Falcon, Xavin has the appearance of black person despite not being one (I guess opposite of Darwin's not appearing despite being), etc. In fact, after white characters, black characters are probably next on the importance list. Hispanics, Gays, Lesbians, etc not so much.

However just because there are positive examples doesn't mean there isn't any space left to grow. It would be nice to see a marvel universe to be more representative of a real universe. And some people may call that filling quotas or preferential treatment but realistically... why keep Onyxx powered and depower say Radian from the Omega Gang. I understand that Milligan may have possibly made an argument for his creations but it's easy for someone, anyone in the x-office to make the argument that Radian is african american and it would be nice to see some racial diversity among the powered mutants. I don't think anyone actively sought out the minorities and put them on the list of characters to die/depower but it would be nice if someone realized that sometimes you have to do the opposite to act against the trend that unintentionally is formed. It's not that hard at all.

Both sides of the arguments just need to reach a middle ground. It's not true that the X-office is racist. Unless there is actual proof, not the "darwin was made pale" stuff. That's ridiculous, that doesn't show racism. That shows nothing at all. And it's not true that black and other minorities get the same treatment that white characters do. White characters are predominant on most teams, minorities aren't.

[rage6839]

I don't think people at Marvel are racist at all. I don't see anything pointing towards that. Chris Yost depowered Prodigy, but also created Nezhno and is writing a Storm mini. Ed Brubaker may have been the one that made Darwin have pale skin but he's also the one that decided that one of the surviving characters of his deadly genesis story be the son of a hispanic father and an african american mother. And the list goes on.


And there are many important black characters. The leader of the New Warriors is black, Storm is black, Ultimate Nick Fury is black, Falcon, Xavin has the appearance of black person despite not being one (I guess opposite of Darwin's not appearing despite being), etc. In fact, after white characters, black characters are probably next on the importance list. Hispanics, Gays, Lesbians, etc not so much.

However just because there are positive examples doesn't mean there isn't any space left to grow. It would be nice to see a marvel universe to be more representative of a real universe. And some people may call that filling quotas or preferential treatment but realistically... why keep Onyxx powered and depower say Radian from the Omega Gang. I understand that Milligan may have possibly made an argument for his creations but it's easy for someone, anyone in the x-office to make the argument that Radian is african american and it would be nice to see some racial diversity among the powered mutants. I don't think anyone actively sought out the minorities and put them on the list of characters to die/depower but it would be nice if someone realized that sometimes you have to do the opposite to act against the trend that unintentionally is formed. It's not that hard at all.

Both sides of the arguments just need to reach a middle ground. It's not true that the X-office is racist. Unless there is actual proof, not the "darwin was made pale" stuff. That's ridiculous, that doesn't show racism. That shows nothing at all. And it's not true that black and other minorities get the same treatment that white characters do. White characters are predominant on most teams, minorities aren't.

The problem is in the X-Verse though. Outside the X-Men, African-Americans are doing fine. I would like to know what the problem is. At least Peter David addressed the Darwin issue. Wish more would do the same.

[Pach!]

The problem is in the X-Verse though. Outside the X-Men, African-Americans are doing fine. I would like to know what the problem is. At least Peter David addressed the Darwin issue. Wish more would do the same.

Storm is getting spotlight, and Prodigy is the only depowered mutant still being used in the X-universe. In fact, he's one of the few New X-men still being used in some capacity. It's not much. But it's steps in the right direction. They can't go back in time and change who's powered, depowered.

Re: the Bishop problem. I wish they would make a bit more redeemable in case he ends up being wrong, but I see no problem with him being the antagonist of the cable series.

[RolandJP]

I don't think people at Marvel are racist at all. I don't see anything pointing towards that. Chris Yost depowered Prodigy, but also created Nezhno and is writing a Storm mini. Ed Brubaker may have been the one that made Darwin have pale skin but he's also the one that decided that one of the surviving characters of his deadly genesis story be the son of a hispanic father and an african american mother. And the list goes on.


And there are many important black characters. The leader of the New Warriors is black, Storm is black, Ultimate Nick Fury is black, Falcon, Xavin has the appearance of black person despite not being one (I guess opposite of Darwin's not appearing despite being), etc. In fact, after white characters, black characters are probably next on the importance list. Hispanics, Gays, Lesbians, etc not so much.

However just because there are positive examples doesn't mean there isn't any space left to grow. It would be nice to see a marvel universe to be more representative of a real universe. And some people may call that filling quotas or preferential treatment but realistically... why keep Onyxx powered and depower say Radian from the Omega Gang. I understand that Milligan may have possibly made an argument for his creations but it's easy for someone, anyone in the x-office to make the argument that Radian is african american and it would be nice to see some racial diversity among the powered mutants. I don't think anyone actively sought out the minorities and put them on the list of characters to die/depower but it would be nice if someone realized that sometimes you have to do the opposite to act against the trend that unintentionally is formed. It's not that hard at all.

Both sides of the arguments just need to reach a middle ground. It's not true that the X-office is racist. Unless there is actual proof, not the "darwin was made pale" stuff. That's ridiculous, that doesn't show racism. That shows nothing at all. And it's not true that black and other minorities get the same treatment that white characters do. White characters are predominant on most teams, minorities aren't.

Beast has informed me that Chris Yost is going to void the BP/Storm marriage.

Nezhno dies a little every time he uses his powers. ironic don't you think. Hes the perfect AA male mutant, one with a built in expiration date.

[Pach!]

Beast has informed me that Chris Yost is going to void the BP/Storm marriage.

Nezhno dies a little every time he uses his powers. ironic don't you think. Hes the perfect AA male mutant, one with a built in expiration date.
Well if Beast says it, then it must be fucking truth.

With the way time flows in the Marvel Universe, the expiration on Nezhno doesn't matter. Writers can and hopefully will use him as much as possible.

[DeadXMan]

when was prodigy a gen x'er

[rage6839]

Storm is getting spotlight, and Prodigy is the only depowered mutant still being used in the X-universe. In fact, he's one of the few New X-men still being used in some capacity. It's not much. But it's steps in the right direction. They can't go back in time and change who's powered, depowered.

Re: the Bishop problem. I wish they would make a bit more redeemable in case he ends up being wrong, but I see no problem with him being the antagonist of the cable series.

Storm got verbally bitchslapped by Cyclops and could not lift Wolverine. WTG Ellis, guess killing Synch was not as low as you could go.

Good they are using Prodigy. Maybe he will have some lines the next time he is used.

Bishop..Cable. How did they decide who would be the bad guy. And no doubt he is because the logic is faulty that you are killing them to save them. I would have more respect if they flipped a coin but I don't think they did.

[Pach!]

Storm got verbally bitchslapped by Cyclops and could not lift Wolverine. WTG Ellis, guess killing Synch was not as low as you could go.

Good they are using Prodigy. Maybe he will have some lines the next time he is used.

Bishop..Cable. How did they decide who would be the bad guy. And no doubt he is because the logic is faulty that you are killing them to save them. I would have more respect if they flipped a coin but I don't think they did.

Also the one in 3 books right now and about to get a mini. It seems they are trying to go in the right direction, right? Maybe it won't work but it seems they are trying to go in the right direction at least.

They chose Cable over Bishop because of Cable's ties to Cyclops and the teasing that the baby may be Jean. I do however agree that the whole making him a murderer just to prevent something that MAY happen is excessive and detrimental to a good character.

[jarrod]

Why did Synch die and Jono live?
Because Jono's awesome and Ev kinda sucked. Why's it matter, they're both of African descent? :biggrin:

[Squidboy]

Bishop..Cable. How did they decide who would be the bad guy. And no doubt he is because the logic is faulty that you are killing them to save them. I would have more respect if they flipped a coin but I don't think they did.

I agree that making Bishop out to be a villain is stupid, and I didn't really see him that way in Messiah Complex, even though the X-Men did. It was like during Civil War, where even though I was rooting for the Pro-Reg side, I still wasn't convince that one way necessarily right or wrong - it was just a divide down the middle.

Granted, the writers could've had Bishop do things differently, and they did paint him as a villain in some respects, but I understood his reasoning and his motive, and I can't really believe him to be a villain because of fighting for what he believes to be right. Maybe things could get cleared up with Bishop set to return to the present, and he could actually rationally explain to his former teammates what he has to do, now that the X-Office isn't trying to sell an action-packed crossover to us.

[Kage Kisaragi]

You do know that not all Puerto Ricans are light skinned. In fact, MOST, if not ALL Puerto Ricans are of black African descent (as well as white European descent and brown native Puerto Rican descent).

agree but his pops was pretty much white/PR, ... and had brown hair.

[Umbra]

Because Jono's awesome and Ev kinda sucked. Why's it matter, they're both of African descent? :biggrin:

lol, Ev > Jono...

[Squidboy]

Because Australian Aborigine's are not of African descent like many (if not MOST) Brazilians are. Many Brazilians are descended from African slaves.

Bishop descendants are from Australia not Africa. He is black but not African-American and his pwers depend on an outside source. But the fact he is a great tactician and cop, more than made up for that. He is still my avatar and wallpaper though and gets much love.

I was under the misconception that he was African-American, but had roots as an Aboriginal, I didn't know it was a full-on retcon to make him solely Australian, my mistake.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Also the one in 3 books right now and about to get a mini. It seems they are trying to go in the right direction, right? Maybe it won't work but it seems they are trying to go in the right direction at least. If you're talking about Storm, that doesn't help. See its pretty much a given within the African American community that.... (can't believe I actually have to say this on a message board.) that there is favortism between the sexes. It's okay to have a AA Woman in a place of power, because women as a whole aren't viewed as a threat, and a AA Woman is even viewed as less a threat than say a Caucasian one. Hence this whole thing with Cyclops owning Storm that people are talking about. Again back to why Storm and if you haven't noticed more Women of Color (all minorities) are used and written about more often because why? Well come on, ain't it obvious? ... lets just over simplify this and quote the skittles commercial. "Taste the rainbow." Besides Storm is as far away from a AA woman as you can get.

She was born in Africa, She has darkskin but has naturally blue eyes and straight to semi curly white hair.... wait didn't they depict young storm as having bouncy locks of hair? .... yeah, shes as about as AA as Jennifer Love Hewett.


They chose Cable over Bishop because of Cable's ties to Cyclops and the teasing that the baby may be Jean. I do however agree that the whole making him a murderer just to prevent something that MAY happen is excessive and detrimental to a good character.

Meh... I like Bishop, and now that its happened. I don't mind him doing what he's doing. I just don't like what he did to get to this point. If the baby was the primary target then, they should have made him act the same as he's always been but just target the baby. He's now pretty much loco.

[Squidboy]

Yeah, M was the only one to escape unscathed. Skin's and Synch's deaths serve no greater purpose. And with Monet within a few feet, that was some sloppy writing by Ellis. Good luck to Darwin and Prodigy, Synch had about 5 years but I don't give them that long.
Off topic, Larry Hama has a new series called Spooks and it is pretty good. Check it out.

This October will make five years for Prodigy, so we'll just have to wait and see

[Blade X]

I agree. As a matter of fact my spy in the X-offices has shown me the plans they have to retcon an AA male character thought dead/depowered. He will return with Omega level mutant powers within the next 6 months.

Youll see :tongue:

Dude, I hope your spy is right. My guess is that this AA mutant will either be Jessie Bedlam or Synch.

OMT, could you please ask your spy in the X-office to suggest to the X-editors to get Larry Hama back at Marvel and have him do a mini series that resurrects the REAL John Wraith. I would love to see Larry write a JOHN WRAITH:AGENT OF SHIELD mini series.

[Umbra]

Dude, I hope your spy is right. My guess is that this AA mutant will either be Jessie Bedlam or Synch.

OMT, could you please ask your spy in the X-office to suggest to the X-editors to get Larry Hama back at Marvel and have him do a mini series that resurrects the REAL John Wraith. I would love to see Larry write a JOHN WRAITH:AGENT OF SHIELD mini series.


I'm hoping for a upgraded Synch.

[rage6839]

Please let it be Synch. If anyone deserves to be brought back, it is Everett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/Generation_X_03_10.jpg

He and Jubilee worked so well together. She didn't even mind he could uses her powers better

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/Generation_X_05_18.jpg

[rage6839]

Will turn this into a Synch appreciation thread if that helps bring him back

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/Generation_X_05_21.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/GenerationX6_pg05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/GenerationX6_pg04.jpg

[bluedmighty]

You mean you don't like Luke Cage?

Luke Cage is class 30 on a GREAT day. Normally Spider man is stronger (kinda odd for a guy named "Power" Man, right?)


And what's happening in November?

http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/2008/07/25/adam-legend-of-the-blue-marvel-by-grevioux/

[RolandJP]

Luke Cage is class 30 on a GREAT day. Normally Spider man is stronger (kinda odd for a guy named "Power" Man, right?)



http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4309.SDCC_~apos~08~colon~_Adam~colon~ _Legend_of_the_Blue_Marvel

yeah, I saw that panel-- between getting my free Marvel Swag- Nick Fury eyepatch included. Kevin's new series should be interesting.

[bluedmighty]

No, he showed strength because he stood his ground and did what it took to prove his place with the team.

AFTER years of abuse and bating from Hellion even WHILE he had his powers.
Feeling useless wasn't new for David, he felt useless on the feild to begin with. His whole charater was about learning to use his powers effectively to help the team. He then got good at it. they had an issue where the white queen tricks into thinking he's seeing the future in which he is the smartest man on earth. Then they depower him.

So now he has to learn to be usefull all over again.


I especially like the backwards, cap, oversized jersey and army of guncocked police. How could I have so misunderstood this progressive and sensitive portrayal of American American youth?

What the writer and artist conveyed in that scene is the tendany of Law enforcement to judge a book by it's cover.

JUST because he has on an oversizd jersey and an army of gunocked police around him doesn't mean he's a hoodlum.

He could just "Fit the description" :rolleyes:

[bluedmighty]

yeah, I saw that panel-- between getting my free Marvel Swag- Nick Fury eyepatch included. Kevin's new series should be interesting.

Yeah,

He's already my favorite new Super Hero. :biggrin:

[Frostbite883]

Thank you marvell2100 for expressing how I felt about Bishop in more eloquent terms. I always pictured him leading a team one day, but now that appears to be in doubt.

Actually, Bish did lead a team at one time in his own mini-series, Bishop: The Last X-Man.

[Umbra]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10069/457949-synch_00_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12463/336091-35088-synch_medium.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/152496-97164-synch_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10069/457950-jubilee___synch_00_super.jpg

[Umbra]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/378883-104344-synch_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/152493-119641-synch_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/152494-122035-synch_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/378879-193504-synch_super.jpg

[jarrod]

I related news, it seems Prodigy has a key part in the X-Men: Secret Invasion mini. Seems Hank has a bright new protoge. :biggrin:

[RolandJP]

Im with you, man.

No more negativity, only positivity.

[Umbra]

I related news, it seems Prodigy has a key part in the X-Men: Secret Invasion mini. Seems Hank has a bright new protoge. :biggrin:

Sucka...:biggrin: LOL. I will check it out.

[rage6839]

I related news, it seems Prodigy has a key part in the X-Men: Secret Invasion mini. Seems Hank has a bright new protoge. :biggrin:

2 issues, 2 panels no lines. The sky's the limit:rolleyes:
I do hope it gets better though. Maybe Synch can mentor him if he comes back.:smile:

[Umbra]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/378878-95895-synch_super.jpg

If he comes back, he needs to have a Rogue like accendent with M... so he can have Invulnerability and Healing factor.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3848/112183-165893-synch_super.jpg

That way X-writers can't kill him off again. :eek: :tongue:

[ExtraEpidermis]

Positivity: If Synch comes back I wanna see him synch up with more than one power at a time. Given some of the powerful mutants still left he could do some major damage.

[RolandJP]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3848/112183-165893-synch_super.jpg



Moments like that M-brace (pun intended) don't happen enough. I'm down with both the ability to Synch with more than one power set, and a few becoming permanent.

[Umbra]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5392/191128-90693-prodigy_super.jpg

"I want to be like Synch, he is my idol" ---David Alleyne


just joking guys:biggrin:

[ExtraEpidermis]

Moments like that M-brace (pun intended) don't happen enough. I'm down with both the ability to Synch with more than one power set, and a few becoming permanent.

I'd have to disagree on the becoming permanent thing. For one it would make him way to powerful. He'd have whatever powers were permanent plus those of whatever mutants were around. No thanks. And Ev's whole thing has always been being better at using others powers better than they could. See the flying with Jono's powers.

[RolandJP]

Gen X, Did have a great cast of characters.

at the Massachusetts Academy

Jubilee
Husk
Chamber
Skin
M
Synch
Penance
Mondo (clone)
Gaia
Banshee
Emma Frost
Artie Maddicks (ward)
Leech (ward)
Franklin Richards (ward)

[marvell2100]

The sad part of this is that we will never see what Synch could ultimately wind up being. He was confident, self-assured, very adept with using his powers and had the makings of a great leader. Some X-Men(Drake) are still just learning what they can really do.

[RolandJP]

I'd have to disagree on the becoming permanent thing. For one it would make him way to powerful. He'd have whatever powers were permanent plus those of whatever mutants were around. No thanks. And Ev's whole thing has always been being better at using others powers better than they could. See the flying with Jono's powers.


No it wouldnt, It would put him in Rogue class. And it didnt hurt her as a character that she could touch all the X-men and Become uber powerful--on top of her Ms. marvel powers.

[Umbra]

I'd have to disagree on the becoming permanent thing. For one it would make him way to powerful. He'd have whatever powers were permanent plus those of whatever mutants were around. No thanks. And Ev's whole thing has always been being better at using others powers better than they could. See the flying with Jono's powers.

It got him killed also... I would like him to synch M powers... but at the cost of him synch or something or they are turned off... that way he wouldn't end up dead again. ah...wishful thinking.:frown:

[marvell2100]

I'd have to disagree on the becoming permanent thing. For one it would make him way to powerful. He'd have whatever powers were permanent plus those of whatever mutants were around. No thanks. And Ev's whole thing has always been being better at using others powers better than they could. See the flying with Jono's powers.

You do remember Mimic?

[Umbra]

No it wouldnt, It would put him in Rogue class. And it didnt hurt her as a character that she could touch all the X-men and Become uber powerful--on top of her Ms. marvel powers.

Yup, no different then Rogue really.

He was basically like that when he was with M anyway.

[RolandJP]

IF I were to create a new X-title it would be called X-Academy or Academy X.... And Storm would be instructor/leader
and the team would feature:

Synch
Penance
and
Nezhno
and all the young mutants cast to the wind after cyclops closed the school.

[Umbra]

You do remember Mimic?

Yup, I do... no different.

[marvell2100]

Yup, I do... no different.

Than? There are many mutant and non mutant heroes with duplicate powers. It's their characterization and how the readers relate to each character that make them unique.

[Umbra]

Than? There are many mutant and non mutant heroes with duplicate powers. It's their characterization and how the readers relate to each character that make them unique.

I agree totally.

[marvell2100]

I agree totally.

I already knew that you were an intelligent individual.

[Umbra]

I will just say that I was a big fan of Synch and M being together... I like them as a couple. It's sad that it got cut short...

Ev Synching with his first and only love is ok in my book.

"It had been theorized that, with practice, Synch would have been able to permanently retain powers and abilities he acquired in this manner." ---Marvel.com

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3848/112182-184171-synch_super.jpg

So basically, he would on a subconscious level retain those powers without knowing how...but in reality it's because of their personal connection and his feeling about her.

Would he be powerful? Yes...but so what. Look at Emma, she is powerful... no one says nothing.

It's not far fetch as some try to make it.
They just need to BRING HIM BACK.

[RolandJP]

Yeah it saddens me that M is now involved with Multiple Man. My only hope is that she crushes him with her thighs and every multiple version from now on suffers from ED.

[marvell2100]

I brought it up before about hints ot the possibility of Bishop being the son of M(mention in an early issue of Gen. X). Based on Bishops ability to absorb energy, the next logical step would be that Synch is the father based on his mutant ability.

It got me started thinking about how to (paraphrasing here) solve two birds with one stone. Bishop is traveling in the future chasing Cable. In some alternate timeline Bishop meets TA-DA Synch(at the age we remember) and somehow brings him into the present in our timeline thereby saving Synch from death and ensuring, unbeknownst to him that he will be born. Seeing Synch again causes all of the remaing Gen. Xers to rejoice and thank Bishop who in turn realizes that he should give up his quest and return to being the hero that he knows that he is.

It's a stretch, I know.

[RolandJP]

Not that big of a stretch. Remember Rachel Summers was a one-off character from the days of future past storyline. Maybe something similiar could occur. The great Thing about having Bishop from the future is everything in the present alters the future, making it possibe for alternate story arcs.

It would be great to see Synch return Older, ala Cable..and have him be the focus with a young Bishop in tow. Now that would be interesting.

[Greg Anderson]

Yeah it saddens me that M is now involved with Multiple Man. My only hope is that she crushes him with her thighs and every multiple version from now on suffers from ED.

Huh? They're not together.

[RolandJP]

Huh? They're not together.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Xft010a1.jpg

[Greg Anderson]

That was a one night stand, besides that was a dupe.

[rage6839]

If Synch does come back, hopefully Storm makes his wish come true and he meets the Black Panther. He only saw him in the Gen X run

[Blade X]

agree but his pops was pretty much white/PR, ... and had brown hair.

Yeah, I know. I was just saying that just because a Puerto Rican looks white, it doesn't mean that he/she doesn't have any African ancestry. By the same token, dark skinned African Americans can have European and Native American ancestry.

[Blade X]

I'm hoping for a upgraded Synch.

That'll be cool to. I would also like to see Jessie Bedlam resurrected.

[ExtraEpidermis]

No it wouldnt, It would put him in Rogue class. And it didnt hurt her as a character that she could touch all the X-men and Become uber powerful--on top of her Ms. marvel powers.

Yeah, but at the cost of their health. Rogue didn't just go around touching X-Men......for the most part. :wink:

It got him killed also... I would like him to synch M powers... but at the cost of him synch or something or they are turned off... that way he wouldn't end up dead again. ah...wishful thinking.

No, a bomb is what got him killed. :tongue:

But for real though, I wasn't the biggest Synch fan, Skin all day everyday, but, IMHO, he would become boring it if he reached the peak of his powers. There's no threat if he's walking around with Monet's or whoevers powers permanently. There's a human side to him, technically mutant but whatever, that makes him weak. That makes him susceptible to things like bombs or even fists. If anything Sean and Emma failed him as teachers (no big surprise there) in not training him in how to be an effective hand to hand fighter. But like I said, that's just my opinion. Never really been a big fan of overpowered characters.

Positivity: I did like early in GenX's run when Synch used his powers to not duplicate powers but use his aura in different ways. Like when he synched up to Penance and made his aura as hard as her skin basically turning it into a force field. Good times....

[Blade X]

I'd have to disagree on the becoming permanent thing. For one it would make him way to powerful. He'd have whatever powers were permanent plus those of whatever mutants were around. No thanks. And Ev's whole thing has always been being better at using others powers better than they could. See the flying with Jono's powers.

I agree.

IMO, I think Synch's powers should change from being able to synch with other mutants into being able to synch with (to a limited extent) with the natural energy of the universe,the enviroment,and all life itself. So Synch would now be able to use his synch aura in a kind of "mystic martial arts" manner (like DRAGONBALL Z characters but lot LESS powerful) to sense the presence of other living beings near him that he cannot see,limited short distance flight,concentrated short distance force attacks whenever he throws a punch or a kick,limted invulnerability when he turns his powers inwards,and the ability to cammoflage (sp) himself (like the Predator) in any enviroment.

[jarrod]

Monet's not with Jamie, he just f'ed her. If anything, he and Theresa seem more likely imo.

I liked the triangle between Monet, Ev and Jubes, but didn't really care for Monet and Ev together at the end. Looking forward to Monet's new triangle though (Darwin, Longshot). :biggrin:

[Blade X]

No it wouldnt, It would put him in Rogue class. And it didnt hurt her as a character that she could touch all the X-men and Become uber powerful--on top of her Ms. marvel powers.

The difference is that Rogue had to touch someone in order to get their powers, Synch doesn't. So Synch is/would be much more powerful then Rogue if he was able to keep permanently one of the powers he synched with.

The same is also true about Mimic. Even though the powers he decides to permanently keep are only HALF as powerful as the people he mimicked them from, he still too damn powerful.

[marvell2100]

I don't know if it's a matter of limiting Synch's power. There are alot of other powerful mutants out there and there doesen't seem to be a rush to limit their powers. Let's just say that Synch can only use one mutants power at a time and maybe only one aspect of their powers at that. You could then say that it takes him time to "synch " with another mutant so he has to be careful whose powers he uses when fighting and when is the right time to switch.

[rage6839]

I don't how Ev keeping M's power would make him boring when M is still around and far from boring. Just because he would have M's powers doesn't mean there couldn't be someone bigger or badder to come along and beat him up. I just don;t see how Ev with M's powers is boring but Monet is not.

I just love the way he carries himself in this pic. Nerves of steel and not a hint of anger.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/rage6839/__hr_X-Men036_05.jpg

[marvell2100]

I wish the writers at Marvel would have had this same kind of discussion when they planned on getting rid of Synch. They could have saved a great character.

[AdamYJ]

I don't how Ev keeping M's power would make him boring when M is still around and far from boring. Just because he would have M's powers doesn't mean there couldn't be someone bigger or badder to come along and beat him up. I just don;t see how Ev with M's powers is boring but Monet is not.

M is interesting because of her personality. As sad as it is to say so, it's negative traits or at least conflicting traits that make characters interesting. It's all about issues. M is snotty, rude and acts superior to people. Yet, she's got crazy personal issues going back to her family. She acts like she's always been in control, but she's actually been a victim for a good chunk of her life.

Everett was never really shown to have any negative or conflicting traits. I'm not saying he was "Mr. Perfect", but none of his negative aspects were shown either.

[Blade X]

I don't know if it's a matter of limiting Synch's power. There are alot of other powerful mutants out there and there doesen't seem to be a rush to limit their powers. Let's just say that Synch can only use one mutants power at a time and maybe only one aspect of their powers at that. You could then say that it takes him time to "synch " with another mutant so he has to be careful whose powers he uses when fighting and when is the right time to switch.


IMO, I find MOST ultra powerful superheroes boring as hell. I'm also not a fan of Synch's "dependency" powers. I want Synch to have his own unique and distinct power, instead of duplicating the powers of other characters.

[ExtraEpidermis]

M is interesting because of her personality. As sad as it is to say so, it's negative traits or at least conflicting traits that make characters interesting. It's all about issues. M is snotty, rude and acts superior to people. Yet, she's got crazy personal issues going back to her family. She acts like she's always been in control, but she's actually been a victim for a good chunk of her life.

Everett was never really shown to have any negative or conflicting traits. I'm not saying he was "Mr. Perfect", but none of his negative aspects were shown either.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Ev was basically Jubes' straight man. I don't think he ever evolved beyond that.

[rage6839]

I like that Ev was a decent stand up guy who could use everyone's powers better than them. But he wasn't everyone's favorite, Now Jono, I could not stand(sorry to his fans) but all that angst and the on and off with Paige reminded of all those teen shows that used to come on WB/CW. I just did not see it. Still did not want him dead but wonder how he made it to the big team when Sych and Skin are not even alive.

[marvell2100]

I like that Ev was a decent stand up guy who could use everyone's powers better than them. But he wasn't everyone's favorite, Now Jono, I could not stand(sorry to his fans) but all that angst and the on and off with Paige reminded of all those teen shows that used to come on WB/CW. I just did not see it. Still did not want him dead but wonder how he made it to the big team when Sych and Skin are not even alive.

And there you have it. Synch was a decent guy. Someone with a positive attitude and none of the "woe is me" syndrome. Does Jono have a right to be angry and bitter? Yeah, he probably does. But that doesn't make him a better or more interesting character than Ev. As for Ev's powers making him boring? Lame argument. For nearly 40 yrs all Bobby could do was make snowballs. Hank was able to hold a glass with his feet. Warren could flap his wings real hard. How interesting was that? But writers began to progress the characters, exploring both powers and personalities and each became something more. All that we ask is that the same chance be given to Ev and the others.

[TeamED209]

Im a fan of synch and was sad to see him go but im not convinced there is a lack of diverse characters in comics,I think if you look at it realistically the majority of characters are going to come from the majority of ppl in america therefore the rest of the hero's/villians will be from the minority's right?
Im south american myself and i think there are far fewer latin characters than black but that makes sense to me because im reading a american comic...another thing to look at is target audience surely if the majority of your sales are to a certain group that is who you must make your product most relatable to...

[nikbackm]

And there you have it. Synch was a decent guy. Someone with a positive attitude and none of the "woe is me" syndrome. Does Jono have a right to be angry and bitter? Yeah, he probably does. But that doesn't make him a better or more interesting character than Ev. As for Ev's powers making him boring? Lame argument. For nearly 40 yrs all Bobby could do was make snowballs. Hank was able to hold a glass with his feet. Warren could flap his wings real hard. How interesting was that? But writers began to progress the characters, exploring both powers and personalities and each became something more. All that we ask is that the same chance be given to Ev and the others.

Back then there was a lot fewer characters that competed for the spotlight.

[marvell2100]

Back then there was a lot fewer characters that competed for the spotlight.

And a lot fewer writers and books. But as we got more characters, we got more writers and more books. There is now a greater opportunity for characters to develop.

[Umbra]

Im a fan of synch and was sad to see him go but im not convinced there is a lack of diverse characters in comics,I think if you look at it realistically the majority of characters are going to come from the majority of ppl in america therefore the rest of the hero's/villians will be from the minority's right?
Im south american myself and i think there are far fewer latin characters than black but that makes sense to me because im reading a american comic...another thing to look at is target audience surely if the majority of your sales are to a certain group that is who you must make your product most relatable to...

You are correct in terms of heroes, but in terms of Mutants, or X-men in particular... there are more latin characters. I don't understand why Sunspot has never been a X-men.

I think that there could be a lot more of all groups. But that is my opinion.

[bluedmighty]

Also,

I see everybody typing that Ev could synch with other mutants.

HOWEVER,

I see in some bios that he was actually able to synch with super humans in general, whether they be mutant or not.

The possibility of retaining the powers gleaned from others is already built into his character. Don't cheat him.

Super humans with multiple abilities or secondary mutations may take longer to synch with.

That said,

I think that the B-2000 incident could at least be made respectable with the return of Ev. I like the idea of Bishop running into him (they could make that right before the explosion Ev synchs with Bishop, absorbs the brunt of the explosion, and follows Bishop into the time stream).

[marvell2100]

When dealing with time travelers, there is always a plausible way to bring characters back so really there is no reason that they couldn't bring back Ev.

And enough posters have given credible reasons that Ev should be brought back and developed further.

[RolandJP]

You are correct in terms of heroes, but in terms of Mutants, or X-men in particular... there are more latin characters. I don't understand why Sunspot has never been a X-men.

I think that there could be a lot more of all groups. But that is my opinion.

I concur. Many of the new Mutants were trained to someday be X-men, but to my knowledge only Cannonball made it.

Magik was seen in New-X-men, Rahne in X-force, Dani and Roberto have been short changed. Before Sunspot became the Lord imperial of the Hellfire club under Sages tutelage he was a member of Cable's X-force, but nothing has been done since this, aside from Gugg's handling of the Young X-men.


Roberto Da'costa was and is an interesting character. He flies in the face of the "too perfect" charge labeled at most minority male mutants. Try saying that 3 times fast. Yet, he is a prime example of a limbo'ed character. Fortunately he isnt dead....yet, but with the rate things are going I dare say give it time.

[worstblogever]

I concur. Many of the new Mutants were trained to someday be X-men, but to my knowledge only Cannonball made it.

Magik was seen in New-X-men, Rahne in X-force, Dani and Roberto have been short changed. Before Sunspot became the Lord imperial of the Hellfire club under Sages tutelage he was a member of Cable's X-force, but nothing has been done since this, aside from Gugg's handling of the Young X-men.


Roberto Da'costa was and is an interesting character. He flies in the face of the "too perfect" charge labeled at most minority male mutants. Try saying that 3 times fast. Yet, he is a prime example of a limbo'ed character. Fortunately he isnt dead....yet, but with the rate things are going I dare say give it time.

About the time Sam got called up to the big leagues, Roberto was doing soul-searching after dealing with the manipulations of Gideon, then questionmarks about if he was Reignfire, then followed by Selene recruiting him into the Hellfire Club after holding the spirit of his long dead girlfriend over his head with Blackheart.

'Berto's just been screwed on the timing. Then he got put into Limbo for a couple years, only to resurface a few times under CC's pen, including "Chasing Hellfire". Other than some random cameos, he's had a slow couple years. The only thing that's stopped him is his ties to those storylines... Gideon & the Externals, Reignfire, and the HC. Were it not for his little detours away from X-Force, I think he'd have been there.

And now, it looks like he may be.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Funny thing is Everett was alive during the House of M, that was kind of like a teaser really. Following the House of M story we find that Warren Traveler (Ms Marvel series) from the House of M arc was able to cross over from the House of M reality to mainstream 616 and live until... well,.... anyway Is this so hard to do for House of M Everett? I mean this Everett would be some what out of place but he would still be Everett except now he is in a world that fears and hates him where he was normally accustom to being worshiped (not literally.)

[RolandJP]

About the time Sam got called up to the big leagues, Roberto was doing soul-searching after dealing with the manipulations of Gideon, then questionmarks about if he was Reignfire, then followed by Selene recruiting him into the Hellfire Club after holding the spirit of his long dead girlfriend over his head with Blackheart.

'Berto's just been screwed on the timing. Then he got put into Limbo for a couple years, only to resurface a few times under CC's pen, including "Chasing Hellfire". Other than some random cameos, he's had a slow couple years. The only thing that's stopped him is his ties to those storylines... Gideon & the Externals, Reignfire, and the HC. Were it not for his little detours away from X-Force, I think he'd have been there.

And now, it looks like he may be.

Let me apologize for my fervor in the other threads. I must say you look fetching in that Flav hat and fubu Tee :biggrin:

[TeamED209]

About the time Sam got called up to the big leagues, Roberto was doing soul-searching after dealing with the manipulations of Gideon, then questionmarks about if he was Reignfire, then followed by Selene recruiting him into the Hellfire Club after holding the spirit of his long dead girlfriend over his head with Blackheart.

'Berto's just been screwed on the timing. Then he got put into Limbo for a couple years, only to resurface a few times under CC's pen, including "Chasing Hellfire". Other than some random cameos, he's had a slow couple years. The only thing that's stopped him is his ties to those storylines... Gideon & the Externals, Reignfire, and the HC. Were it not for his little detours away from X-Force, I think he'd have been there.

And now, it looks like he may be.

It's a real pity, the guy was pure gold in the old cable's x factor days and i've always really enjoyed the look of the guy...did they ever explore why he could speak askani'son?

[worstblogever]

It's a real pity, the guy was pure gold in the old cable's x factor days and i've always really enjoyed the look of the guy...did they ever explore why he could speak askani'son?

When Cable helped rid him of Reignfire's influence in X-Force (vol. 1) #43-44, he supposedly accidentally downloaded some of the Askani language, and traditions to Roberto while poking around in his head.

[TeamED209]

When Cable helped rid him of Reignfire's influence in X-Force (vol. 1) #43-44, he supposedly accidentally downloaded some of the Askani language, and traditions to Roberto while poking around in his head.

ah ok i didn't read the entire x force run but yeah im with you guys on roberto he should be part of a team i reckon him,havok,quicksilver,juggernaut,hellion all get together to form a good/bad team...i thought them doing m day would mean us getting more facetime with the left over mutants...

[End of Time]

The lion's share of Generation X is outside of continuity, isn't it?

[worstblogever]

The lion's share of Generation X is outside of continuity, isn't it?

No, it's all established continuity.


Unless you mean the TV movie. THAT is not in continuity. :redface:

[bluedmighty]

No, it's all established continuity.


Unless you mean the TV movie. THAT is not in continuity. :redface:

It wasn't even good.

[marvell2100]

No, it's all established continuity.


Unless you mean the TV movie. THAT is not in continuity. :redface:

Something to be thankful for. That and it doesn't air anymore.

[Blade X]

Something to be thankful for. That and it doesn't air anymore.

I actually have that crappy movie on tape.

[Umbra]

Funny thing is Everett was alive during the House of M, that was kind of like a teaser really. Following the House of M story we find that Warren Traveler (Ms Marvel series) from the House of M arc was able to cross over from the House of M reality to mainstream 616 and live until... well,.... anyway Is this so hard to do for House of M Everett? I mean this Everett would be some what out of place but he would still be Everett except now he is in a world that fears and hates him where he was normally accustom to being worshiped (not literally.)

Agreed... that would be a pretty good story. :smile:

[bluedmighty]

I actually have that crappy movie on tape.

Crappy indeed.

They made Mondo African American, and OMITTED EV :mad:

Jubes was also played by someone who was not Japanese American

[Kage Kisaragi]

Crappy indeed.

They made Mondo African American, and OMITTED EV :mad:

Jubes was also played by someone who was not Japanese American

That makes since, since Jubes is Chinese American. :smile:

[Pixie_Solanas]

Gone, but never, ever forgotten:

http://img153.imagevenue.com/loc607/th_44837_HYUKK_122_607lo.jpg

[RolandJP]

i remember liking the movie

It did lead to Mutant X

[bluedmighty]

That makes since, since Jubes is Chinese American. :smile:

Behold,

I stand before you today,













CORRECTED

:redface:

Appologies

:smile:

[bluedmighty]

It did lead to Mutant X

I was not a fan of that show either :frown:

[Kage Kisaragi]

I was not a fan of that show either :frown:

Seriously it had its moments. Sure wasn't as cool as some other scifi shows of the time like Earth Final Conflict but it did have its moments. They realized that having psychics were bad and killed their one psychic chick after the first or second season. lol hell I think she pulled a phoenix even. Seriously though when they added the woman who played Lex. *whistles* ... ironically, there was no black mutant x character either.

[rage6839]

Seriously it had its moments. Sure wasn't as cool as some other scifi shows of the time like Earth Final Conflict but it did have its moments. They realized that having psychics were bad a killed of their one psychic chick after the first or second season. lol hell I think she pulled a phoenix even. Seriously though when they added the woman who played Lex. *whistles* ... ironically, there was no black mutant x character either.

Another Earth:Final Conflict fan? I liked that show and thought Auger was the man. Sci-fi should pick it up

[Frostbite883]

Yeah it saddens me that M is now involved with Multiple Man. My only hope is that she crushes him with her thighs and every multiple version from now on suffers from ED.

Actually, she wasn't dating Multiple Man at all.

He basically just slept with her and Siryn
in an issue of the new X-Factor comic series.

[marvell2100]

It did lead to Mutant X

Shhhh or Marvel will hear you and bring it back.

[Yunlee]

Any news about Synch going to be in the new Wolverine & the X-men animated series?

[marvell2100]

Any news about Synch going to be in the new Wolverine & the X-men animated series?

Really? If that's true then there may be a chance for him to return in to the X-books.

[Kaos]

Prodigy was the Carlton Banks of the mutant world.

pssht not even close. Prodigy has game.

[Kaos]

No, he showed strength because he stood his ground and did what it took to prove his place with the team.

What's lame is the sudden effort on your part to throw what few worthwhile black characters the XBooks have left under the bus in some misguided defense of a flat, dead cliche like Synch. Grow up.



I especially like the backwards, cap, oversized jersey and army of guncocked police. How could I have so misunderstood this progressive and sensitive portrayal of American American youth?

He's a yout bruv, a black yout of course he's gonna dress like that.

[marvell2100]

Any mention if Synch or Prodigy will be appearing in Necrosha? Part of me hopes so and part of me doesn't. I don't want any zombiefied versions of them appearing.

[4sake]

Any mention if Synch or Prodigy will be appearing in Necrosha? Part of me hopes so and part of me doesn't. I don't want any zombiefied versions of them appearing.

Prodigy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3509&disp=table

Also he had a few lines in this (the most in a long time) :

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48157/965388-num_risation0005_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/num_risation0005/105-965388/)

No real Synch new yet...:mad: :frown:

[marvell2100]

Prodigy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3509&disp=table

Also he had a few lines in this (the most in a long time) :

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48157/965388-num_risation0005_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/num_risation0005/105-965388/)

No real Synch new yet...:mad: :frown:

Thanks for the update. I still don't want Zombie Prodigy or Zombie Synch. Not unless they find a way to change them back to normal.

[Prodigy55]

I can't believe there was a 26 page Prodigy related thread hiding in this forum! Amazing!

[RickyD410]

Thanks for the update. I still don't want Zombie Prodigy or Zombie Synch. Not unless they find a way to change them back to normal.

Prodigy is still kickin at Utopia. He can't be a zombie. ...yet. (please nooooo).

[4sake]

Thanks for the update. I still don't want Zombie Prodigy or Zombie Synch. Not unless they find a way to change them back to normal.

Prodigy dead...yet (he know how it is in the x-world) & I agree ( back to normal) I also want Skin, Bedlam & Banshee back.

[marvell2100]

I can't believe there was a 26 page Prodigy related thread hiding in this forum! Amazing!

You never know what you'll find in the X-Forum.

[4sake]

You never know what you'll find in the X-Forum.

A scan form X-Men/Dark X-Men the Confession

http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af63/KwameKamikaze/HELIVES.jpg[/QUOTE]

[marvell2100]

A scan form X-Men/Dark X-Men the Confession

http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af63/KwameKamikaze/HELIVES.jpg[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the scans! How is Prodigy(that is the real one right?) in that story? Is that his only scene?

[RickyD410]

Thanks for the scans! How is Prodigy(that is the real one right?) in that story? Is that his only scene?

Yup. Thats it. It was just K&Y's way of showing us that he's still alive and chilling with the other students.

[4sake]

Thanks for the scans! How is Prodigy(that is the real one right?) in that story? Is that his only scene?[/QUOTE]

Well I hadn't been to the Comics Shop in like 2 weeks so I hadn't got my comics yet :frown: . So I'm not sure. From The scan he seem in character. Also Yost & Kyle wrote this so I'm petty sure he will be in character.

Try asking here ( The New X-men Thread) for more info.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=159750&page=980

[countryfan2004]

Prodigy is also featured in Deadpool #16, on the first page, even! It took me a bit to realize it was him. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3509&disp=table

[dustndreams]

I think it's clear that all X-writers these days are total racists. Back in the day you could let blond-haired, blue-eyed crackers like Cypher and Magik die or get deaged. Now if you need a sacrificial lamb, it's nothing but Synch and Skin and Prodigy and Mirage and Tag. Or if you need someone to turn evil, why not Bishop?

Storm better watch her ass.

-D

LMBAO SOOOOOoooooooo true... or true enough. They may not do it intentionally but when u lay it out like that , they suck furry glutt

[ZNOP]

LMBAO SOOOOOoooooooo true... or true enough. They may not do it intentionally but when u lay it out like that , they suck furry glutt

Sure they would...

[Perfection/Emma 2]

I miss a lot of decease characters, especially Wallflower, Risque, Revache, Network, Preview, Sway and Wolf Cub. Also forgotten characters like Dust, Anole, Prodigy, and Ink. Hopefully Necrosha will fix all of this

P.S. I cannot believe Simon Trask is still alive

[Toomuch]

I can't believe there was a 26 page Prodigy related thread hiding in this forum! Amazing!

Tell me about it.:biggrin:

[Justin K.]

Why did only Synch and Prodigy make the thread title?

[Free-Man]

I'm not sure if it was intentionally racism. Tag certainly wasn't the only New X-Man to die on that bus, and when Synch died, Marvel had already more or less decided to axe Gen X.

I'm honestly not sure WHAT happened to Prodigy though. He was apparently still with the team in San Fran, as he helped fight off the Skrull Invasion. Could Marvel be pushing him in the background to avoid confusion with the Prodigy in the Avengers books?

[Prodigy55]

David Alleyne is better than that drunken imposter.

[RickyD410]

I'm not sure if it was intentionally racism. Tag certainly wasn't the only New X-Man to die on that bus, and when Synch died, Marvel had already more or less decided to axe Gen X.

I'm honestly not sure WHAT happened to Prodigy though. He was apparently still with the team in San Fran, as he helped fight off the Skrull Invasion. Could Marvel be pushing him in the background to avoid confusion with the Prodigy in the Avengers books?

He is still being put in the background. In Legacy, we keep seeing someone with short black hair, redish glasses, but his skin color is always hard to determine.

And he had a few lines in the recent Dark X-Men: The Confession oneshot. And he has some upcoming panel time in Deadpool #16.

[Free-Man]

He is still being put in the background. In Legacy, we keep seeing someone with short black hair, redish glasses, but his skin color is always hard to determine.

And he had a few lines in the recent Dark X-Men: The Confession oneshot. And he has some upcoming panel time in Deadpool #16.

I still prefer background shots and cameos to DEAD or in limbo like a lot of minority X-Men.

[scamprin]

I'm a big fan of David and wish someone would do something with him, even if it meant turning him into a villain or a villain's henchman.

[RickyD410]

I'm a big fan of David and wish someone would do something with him, even if it meant turning him into a villain or a villain's henchman.

David is only Cyclops's henchman. He would never play second fiddle to a VILLAIN. Only Cyke.

But he could be a good villain. But not an "I'm out to destroy the X-Men!" villain. Only a "I'm out to make the world a better place... no matter WHO gets in my way!" villain.

[Lester C.]

Here is the deal. Given the fact that the current group of X-men are still X-men more than fourty years after they made their debut there will never be a passing of the torch. Everyone from the New Mutants on down are always destined to fail because Scott and everyone else will still be on the active roster twenty years from today.

[Free-Man]

Here is the deal. Given the fact that the current group of X-men are still X-men more than fourty years after they made their debut there will never be a passing of the torch. Everyone from the New Mutants on down are always destined to fail because Scott and everyone else will still be on the active roster twenty years from today.

Not so. Jean died and has effectively been replaced by Emma Frost, a character created nearly 20 years later. Iceman, despite being one of the original 7 X-Men, is more or less a non-factor regulated to background appearances. Gambit, a much later character, also is arguably more popular and recognized than a lot of the original 7.

[Filthy Mutie]

Prodigy is in The Initiative and Secret Invasion: X-Men.
Monet is in X-Factor and the She-Hulk tie-ins.
Husk will be in Secret Invasion: X-Men and whatever book Legacy turns into after it's done.
Jubilee and Chamber are in New Warriors.

I haven't looked in this thread before and one of the first things I find in my investigation is this.





lol

[Lester C.]

Not so. Jean died and has effectively been replaced by Emma Frost, a character created nearly 20 years later. Iceman, despite being one of the original 7 X-Men, is more or less a non-factor regulated to background appearances. Gambit, a much later character, also is arguably more popular and recognized than a lot of the original 7.

That's my point. Gambit the same age he was twenty years ago more or less. He's still the star of the show and won't be giving up his spotlight to the younger X-men any time soon.

[Free-Man]

That's my point. Gambit the same age he was twenty years ago more or less. He's still the star of the show and won't be giving up his spotlight to the younger X-men any time soon.

But he WAS one of those "younger X-Men". He was created in the 90's, and he's definately stolen the spotlight from a lot of the older characters. Up until around the early part of this decade, Jubilee was massively popular and stole a lot of spotlight from some of the older X-Men. Cannonball and Monet also appear reguarly, definately moreso than Havok and Polaris and Iceman.

[scamprin]

I think everyone knows that Marvel isn't going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. By that I mean that wildly popular characters won't fade very often. But I don't think anyone in their right mind is calling for Prodigy to rival the big name characters. What people would like is to see them used creatively, like how Elixir has been used in X-Force or something. Elixir isn't even one of the stars of X-Force, but it's great to see him doing something.

More to the point, people don't like seeing a c-list character pushed up front. It feels forced. Look at how a lot of people feel about Pixie being thrust into the limelight.

[Free-Man]

I think everyone knows that Marvel isn't going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. By that I mean that wildly popular characters won't fade very often. But I don't think anyone in their right mind is calling for Prodigy to rival the big name characters. What people would like is to see them used creatively, like how Elixir has been used in X-Force or something. Elixir isn't even one of the stars of X-Force, but it's great to see him doing something.

More to the point, people don't like seeing a c-list character pushed up front. It feels forced. Look at how a lot of people feel about Pixie being thrust into the limelight.

Oh, I totally agree. I was just pointing out that Lester was incorrect in his assumption that no one post-New Mutants had ever made it to the "bigtime".

[RickyD410]

I think everyone knows that Marvel isn't going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. By that I mean that wildly popular characters won't fade very often. But I don't think anyone in their right mind is calling for Prodigy to rival the big name characters. What people would like is to see them used creatively, like how Elixir has been used in X-Force or something. Elixir isn't even one of the stars of X-Force, but it's great to see him doing something.

More to the point, people don't like seeing a c-list character pushed up front. It feels forced. Look at how a lot of people feel about Pixie being thrust into the limelight.

Exactly this. I dont wanna see Cyke or Rogue or Nightcrawler fade away. They ARE the X-Men. But I love how Elixir is still getting facetime in X-Force, and being awesome there too! (whenever he's not in a coma that is)

I would love it if Hellion, Prodigy, and Anole were given similar treatment.

[jarrod]

David is only Cyclops's henchman. He would never play second fiddle to a VILLAIN. Only Cyke.
Cyclops is a villain.

[Free-Man]

Exactly this. I dont wanna see Cyke or Rogue or Nightcrawler fade away. They ARE the X-Men. But I love how Elixir is still getting facetime in X-Force, and being awesome there too! (whenever he's not in a coma that is)

I would love it if Hellion, Prodigy, and Anole were given similar treatment.

Well, some of the X-kids are playing the central role in X-Men: Legacy right now. Bling is currently involved with the Emplate plot.

[Prodigy55]

I think Prodigy's own personal nemesis NIMROD should come back in X-Men Legacy.

[4sake]

I'm not sure if it was intentionally racism. Tag certainly wasn't the only New X-Man to die on that bus, and when Synch died, Marvel had already more or less decided to axe Gen X.

I'm honestly not sure WHAT happened to Prodigy though. He was apparently still with the team in San Fran, as he helped fight off the Skrull Invasion. Could Marvel be pushing him in the background to avoid confusion with the Prodigy in the Avengers books?

Tag was horrible IMO.

[RickyD410]

I think Prodigy's own personal nemesis NIMROD should come back in X-Men Legacy.

I agree. Nimrod is the Magneto to Prodigy's Professor X. And it would be fun to see a "powerless" human defeat a Sentinel that gave most X-Men problems.

[4sake]

I think everyone knows that Marvel isn't going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. By that I mean that wildly popular characters won't fade very often. But I don't think anyone in their right mind is calling for Prodigy to rival the big name characters. What people would like is to see them used creatively, like how Elixir has been used in X-Force or something. Elixir isn't even one of the stars of X-Force, but it's great to see him doing something.

More to the point, people don't like seeing a c-list character pushed up front. It feels forced. Look at how a lot of people feel about Pixie being thrust into the limelight.

It's only feels forced when it's bad writing & poor research. I hate Pixie but if her push made one bit of sense I'd hate her little less like I do Armor. At least Armor pushed made some since & was written kind if well. But with Pixie all marvel say is WE feels she great/etc so we are pushing her. If they were pushing Surge, Hellion, Prodigy or Bling! like they are Pixie (& kind of Armor ) it would make sense with continuity.

Surge - Former leader of the New X-men
Prodigy - Former leader of NM Vol2 and New X-men. Was put in charge of training his fellow new/young x-men.
Hellion- former leader of the Hellions & kind of a leader of the New X-men.
Bling!- former leader of her squad & was put on the active X-men roster & ask to join the New X-men team , but said no.

Pixie - background character in New X-men & later joined.

Armor - background/side character in AX & then later joined.

[RickyD410]

It's only feels forced when it's bad writing & poor research. I hate Pixie but if her push made one bit of sense I'd hate her little less like I do Armor. At least Armor pushed made some since & was written kind if well. But with Pixie all marvel say is WE feels she great/etc so we are pushing her. If they were pushing Surge, Hellion, Prodigy or Bling! like they are Pixie (& kind of Armor ) it would make sense with continuity.

Surge - Former leader of the New X-men
Prodigy - Former leader of NM Vol2 and New X-men. Was put in charge of training his fellow new/young x-men.
Hellion- former leader of the Hellions & kind of a leader of the New X-men.
Bling!- former leader of her squad & was put on the active X-men roster & ask to join the New X-men team , but said no.

Pixie - background character in New X-men & later joined.

Armor - background/side character in AX & then later joined.
I think Armor's situation is similar to Shadowcat's when she was a little kid. She was put on an X-Team due to circumstance (Shadowcat had no young team, and Armor was whisked away accidently). But with their experience, it would be hard to demote her again, which is exactly how Kitty felt.

That being said, Pixie, yeah, doesnt make any sense. Except Fraction has a hardon for her.

Although Mike Carey also wrote her a story for FCBD. But maybe thats cus he was told she was getting a larger role in Uncanny.

[Free-Man]

I think Armor's situation is similar to Shadowcat's when she was a little kid. She was put on an X-Team due to circumstance (Shadowcat had no young team, and Armor was whisked away accidently). But with their experience, it would be hard to demote her again, which is exactly how Kitty felt.

That being said, Pixie, yeah, doesnt make any sense. Except Fraction has a hardon for her.

Although Mike Carey also wrote her a story for FCBD. But maybe thats cus he was told she was getting a larger role in Uncanny.

Even then her push seems odd and full of holes. There is a story where Alani says that Pixie is the youngest kid at the school, and yet once she showed up in Uncanny, she was taller, bustier, and old enough that Dazzler gave her booze with the belief that she was "old enough" in Canada.

[RickyD410]

Even then her push seems odd and full of holes. There is a story where Alani says that Pixie is the youngest kid at the school, and yet once she showed up in Uncanny, she was taller, bustier, and old enough that Dazzler gave her booze with the belief that she was "old enough" in Canada.

Thats just cus Fraction didnt do any research on her beforehand. He didnt pay any regards to her previous history. He just saw a newish character with a cool visual, and did what he wanted with her. Carey, Kyle, Yost, and others have all actually written her in character. We'll see what happens in her mini.

In her FCBD story, she was definitely still a young girl. She was either in middle, or early high school (judging from the way her teachers treated her, and the way the constable and everyone else treated her).

[4sake]

I think Armor's situation is similar to Shadowcat's when she was a little kid. She was put on an X-Team due to circumstance (Shadowcat had no young team, and Armor was whisked away accidently). But with their experience, it would be hard to demote her again, which is exactly how Kitty felt.

That being said, Pixie, yeah, doesnt make any sense. Except Fraction has a hardon for her.

Although Mike Carey also wrote her a story for FCBD. But maybe thats cus he was told she was getting a larger role in Uncanny.

Yeah I know Armor situation kind of like kitty & jubes. But so was Bling! when she was put on the active X-men roster (when the Sentinels showed up at the school) & helped the other X-Men make Apocalypse runaway, but she got little to no push at all up till a few weeks/months ago.

Yeah I read Pixie's FCBD & I agree he was probably told she was about to be pushed, but it still doesn't justify her getting a push over Surge (her squad leader), Hellion, Dust, Prodigy (her squad leader)), Mercury, Rockslide (the person who asked for her to be put on the squad)

It still make doesn't sense at all that Prodigy is not on the X-club squad (It's just bad writing & poor research).

Trance- I don't really care all that much for her, but at least her current kind of push is making sense & well written (Also it doesn't make hate her. In fact it kind of making me like her)

Indra- he maybe getting a push right now & its makes sense. I don't hate it at all, even throw I'm not really interested in him at all.

Question : Was Kitty kind of sorta the advisor to jr squad/team/ the kids in Astonishing {Armor, Blindfold, Wing & maybe Cipher( thur the retcon)}

[marvell2100]

I think everyone knows that Marvel isn't going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. By that I mean that wildly popular characters won't fade very often. But I don't think anyone in their right mind is calling for Prodigy to rival the big name characters. What people would like is to see them used creatively, like how Elixir has been used in X-Force or something. Elixir isn't even one of the stars of X-Force, but it's great to see him doing something.

More to the point, people don't like seeing a c-list character pushed up front. It feels forced. Look at how a lot of people feel about Pixie being thrust into the limelight.

Agreed. We all know who the stars of the X-Universe are. But there should be a place for other characters to thrive and get a little spotlight. Your example of Elixir is spot on. He's not the star of X-Force but he makes a significant contribution. And it doesn't feel forced.

Prodigy's return doesn't feel forced, but how would we know? There hasn't been much done with him and has said very little. What was the point of bringing him back if they weren't going to use him? There are already enough background characters in the X-Men.

[RickyD410]

It still make doesn't sense at all that Prodigy is not on the X-club squad (It's just bad writing & poor research).

Question : Was Kitty kind of sorta the advisor to jr squad/team/ the kids in Astonishing {Armor, Blindfold, Wing & maybe Cipher( thur the retcon)}
I agree about Prodigy. He should be in the X-Club. It makes no sense that hes not there.

And I answered that question in the other thread, but I dont think Cipher had a squad. Since only Cyke and Jean knew of her existence.
Prodigy's return doesn't feel forced, but how would we know? There hasn't been much done with him and has said very little. What was the point of bringing him back if they weren't going to use him? There are already enough background characters in the X-Men.
I dont think of Prodigy as "returning". He never left. He just hasnt been seen lately. But theres a lot of background kids to go through. He's always been there. He never left. He just happens to be getting some panel time now.

[chrissstopher]

Agreed. We all know who the stars of the X-Universe are. But there should be a place for other characters to thrive and get a little spotlight. Your example of Elixir is spot on. He's not the star of X-Force but he makes a significant contribution. And it doesn't feel forced.

Prodigy's return doesn't feel forced, but how would we know? There hasn't been much done with him and has said very little. What was the point of bringing him back if they weren't going to use him? There are already enough background characters in the X-Men.

Well... he was brought back by K&Y while they were still writing New X-Men... and then they left the title and it was reimagined as Young X-Men. So, I'm sure the intention was for the team to stick together, but Guggenheim had other plans... he created new characters like Ink and Cipher, ignored the clearly popular characters like Mercury and Hellion and then killed a perfectly respectable kid in Wolf Cub.

So, I think the intention was there when Prodigy was initially brought back to keep him as a featured character but when the writers left the book, things went to hell.

[4sake]

I agree about Prodigy. He should be in the X-Club. It makes no sense that hes not there.

And I answered that question in the other thread, but I dont think Cipher had a squad. Since only Cyke and Jean knew of her existence.


Glad you agree, maybe now he will get the chance to join since one of the x-clubers was offed.

Thanks for the answered btw. Yeah but I think in young X-men Scott said he told Emma & Logan about her also. So it wouldn't shocked me if he told Kitty, Havok & or Iceman also.

[Umbra]

Bring back Synch!!!

[SayOcean]

Prodigy was horrible IMO. I fixed it for you

Bring back Synch!!!yes i agree

[4sake]

I fixed it for you

yes i agree

Prodigy was horrible IMO before he was depowered, but since then I started to like him..

[RickyD410]

Prodigy was horrible IMO before he was depowered, but since then I started to like him..

Nah, I loved Prodigy back then too. He became more interesting after he was depowered, but I liked him before then too. He had a super inferiority complex, that only got worse after he lost his powers.

[jarrod]

Prodigy was horrible IMO before he was depowered, but since then I started to like him..
I can agree with this. He's way better as the new Doug.