Problem With Red Robin

[WorstThingUS]

Given that the Robin costume is based on what Dick Grayson's parents were wearing when they died, am I the only person who thinks there's no way in the world he would let Jason Todd run around in it, no matter how altered?

[Jim Thompson]

Given that the Robin costume is based on what Dick Grayson's parents were wearing when they died, am I the only person who thinks there's no way in the world he would let Jason Todd run around in it, no matter how altered?Dick has slowly but surely become the Steve Rogers of his universe, I think. As such, I think it's possible he could see Jason Todd wearing those colors, if only to use them as a constant reminder to Todd of the standard he's expected to live up to.

[WorstThingUS]

Dick has slowly but surely become the Steve Rogers of his universe, I think. As such, I think it's possible he could see Jason Todd wearing those colors, if only to use them as a constant reminder to Todd of the standard he's expected to live up to.

Except Jason Todd has murdered people, beaten Tim to a bloody pulp and even caused him to be wanted for murder. And when Steve Rogers last saw John Walker in his colors, he told him to take it off and then kicked his ass.

[Jim Thompson]

Except Jason Todd has murdered people, beaten Tim to a bloody pulp and even caused him to be wanted for murder.Cap works with Punisher every so often. I think Dick could work with Jason.

[Pixie_Solanas]

My problem with Red Robin? Fatty food does nothing to help my cholesterol.

http://www.redrobin.com/

[Jim Thompson]

My problem with Red Robin? Fatty food does nothing to help my cholesterol.

http://www.redrobin.com/Bottomless fries -- mmmmm! :biggrin:

[WorstThingUS]

Cap works with Punisher every so often. I think Dick could work with Jason.

And that is such a character violation, my blood pressure goes up every time they do it.

[InfiniteCombo]

And that is such a character violation, my blood pressure goes up every time they do it.

I think the character violation thing is silly, since I'm pretty sure you didn't come up with the character, but I get a kick out of the fact that it effects your life so drastically.

[The Xenos]

Well, there are many many things messed up with Jason Todd becoming Red Robin. Most notably that Jason Todd should still be dead and the ressurection story got old and tired long ago. It's a character whose wore out its welcome. It's failed, but the powers that be won't stop. They insist on 'staying the course'.

[Choppa]

Jason didn't seem to have a problem dressing up as the guy who killed him (The Red Hood).

[Layzie Kidd]

What issues this going on in?

[Captain Jim]

What issues this going on in?

Jason took on the role of Red Robin for a time in Countdown and it's rumored he may reprise it following RIP.

[Captain Jim]

Given that the Robin costume is based on what Dick Grayson's parents were wearing when they died, am I the only person who thinks there's no way in the world he would let Jason Todd run around in it, no matter how altered?

I never read Kingdom Come, but I presume that's what you're referring to.

However, when Jason was given the Red Robin costume in Countdown, it was given to him by that world's Batman, and I don't think it had anything to do with the Graysons.

[WorstThingUS]

I think the character violation thing is silly, since I'm pretty sure you didn't come up with the character, but I get a kick out of the fact that it effects your life so drastically.

Given you don't know who I am, how do you know I'm not Joe Simon? Not to mention at my age, getting my blood pressure up isn't exactly a minor infraction.


However, when Jason was given the Red Robin costume in Countdown, it was given to him by that world's Batman, and I don't think it had anything to do with the Graysons.

That's really got nothing to do with the fact the red vest is what the Graysons were wearing during their final flight and why Dick Grayson first wore it as Robin. I'm thinking if a murderer who has attacked me and my family starts wearing the outifit I used remember and honor my murdered parents, I'm gonna be a little annoyed.

But all these responses do answer my question. I am the only one who thinks it should be a problem for him.

[Captain Jim]

That's really got nothing to do with the fact the red vest is what the Graysons were wearing during their final flight and why Dick Grayson first wore it as Robin.

Well, that may be one version of the story (a very late version, I suspect). The earliest version I remember was that Bruce himself once wore a uniform like that when he was a boy.

I'm thinking if a murderer who has attacked me and my family starts wearing the outifit I used remember and honor my murdered parents, I'm gonna be a little annoyed.

But how unique is a red vest? So Dick should go crazy anytime he sees anyone in a red vest anywhere?

But all these responses do answer my question. I am the only one who thinks it should be a problem for him.

Evidently so.

[WorstThingUS]

Well, that may be one version of the story (a very late version, I suspect). The earliest version I remember was that Bruce himself once wore a uniform like that when he was a boy.

Silver age fun!

But how unique is a red vest? So Dick should go crazy anytime he sees anyone in a red vest anywhere?

Red vest with a big "R" on it? Also using your name? Not so much.

Evidently so.

Yeah. Okay, now explain how a moderator of a DC Comics board has not read Kingdom Come...

[Captain Jim]

Red vest with a big "R" on it? Also using your name? Not so much.

Don't know about the original, but Jason's costume doesn't have an "R"--it has a robin's head. And that sure didn't come from the Flying Graysons. And Robin was Jason's name as much as Dick's (even though Dick had it first, Jason took it on with his blessing).

Yeah. Okay, now explain how a moderator of a DC Comics board has not read Kingdom Come...

:redface: It was published during one of the brief times in my life that I had stopped reading comics. And I never made the effort to seek it out after the fact. (But I'm reading JSA now, does that help make up for it?)

[WorstThingUS]

Don't know about the original, but Jason's costume doesn't have an "R"--it has a robin's head. And that sure didn't come from the Flying Graysons. And Robin was Jason's name as much as Dick's (even though Dick had it first, Jason took it on with his blessing).

...and now belongs to Tim. And it was never Jason's the way it was Dick's. But this also prompts the question, what if they finally take Jason down? What do you do with him? He's legally dead and knows all their secrets. I don't think he'd talk, but can you risk it? Is he that bitter?



:redface: It was published during one of the brief times in my life that I had stopped reading comics. And I never made the effort to seek it out after the fact. (But I'm reading JSA now, does that help make up for it?)

But you can't fully appreciate the JSA story without it. Not to mention doing yourself the disservice of not reading one of better stories of the last couple of years. It ain't perfect, but it's a good read and flat out beautiful.

[David Walton]

I tend to think that a character's given reaction to any situation isn't as rigid as you're making it out to be, WorstThings, but I could certainly see some potential there if a writer wanted to explore it.

If Dick Grayson becomes Batman post-R.I.P. it might be interesting to explore whether he takes as much of a proprietary interest in the extended Bat-family as Bruce did. That has real potential--Dick becoming something he never thought he would, since he's typically taken a much softer approach. Would he still be big brother to Tim or would he start feeling a parental responsibility? Would he feel the need to protect Bruce's legacy by keeping Jason from using any mantle associated with the Batman?

[Lupek]

If Dick Grayson becomes Batman post-R.I.P. it might be interesting to explore whether he takes as much of a proprietary interest in the extended Bat-family as Bruce did. That has real potential--Dick becoming something he never thought he would, since he's typically taken a much softer approach. Would he still be big brother to Tim or would he start feeling a parental responsibility? Would he feel the need to protect Bruce's legacy by keeping Jason from using any mantle associated with the Batman?

What you and WorstThing are describing sounds like a story I'd like to read.

My problem with Jason Todd being Red Robin isn't that Jason has killed. A redemption story might be good. It's just that I think Jason Todd has a lot more potential as the anti villain Red Hood. "Batman's biggest failure come back from the dead to rub his face in it" is an interesting premise to me. If Bruce has any emotions at all (and sometimes I doubt that he does) everytime he comes into contact with Jason it should be gut wrenching for him. The thing is, the potential just seemed to be wasted. I didn't follow the character to Green Arrow or in Countdown (from spoilers it doesn't sound like they have done anything good with him) but even in the Batman book Red Hoods story wasn't as satisfying as it could have been.

Personally I love the Red Robin name and look. I'd actually prefer it for Dick over Nightwing. But if Jason is going to be Red Robin, yeah, I wanna see a lot of conflict between Jason and Dick. And between Bruce and Jason too, whether Bruce is Batman or not.

Part of what I like about the character is, that it doesn't seem like anyone likes him, either in the stories or in fandom. And that appeals to the prick in me I guess.

I like Damien too. I think they are the two most interesting Bat Family members at the moment. But if it turns out to be what you're describing, maybe my interest in Dick Grayson will be amped up a bit.

[Libaax]

I feel the same as you WorstThingsUS.

I dislike everything about Jason. The fact he is taking The Robin name is too much too.


This is just another way of them showing they dont care about Dicks history and place in DCU.