Why isn't No one questioning Loeb about the Hulk's timeline and characters ? [Archive]

CMBMOOL

07-29-2008, 07:54 PM

Hrungr

07-29-2008, 08:08 PM

What I mean is why isn't anyone questioning Loeb over how the She-Hulk is working with Tony Stark, even after the events of World War Hulk, How the Hulk was reverted to his former Savage smash persona, and how did Rick Jones became the new Abomination, etc. etc.
Well I know the topic of Shulkie working with Stark again has been the topic of much discussion/derision. Heh, she must be a much more forgiving person than I thought. That said, she stomached joining the new Defenders under the Initiative banner and Stark did apologize (for whatever that's worth).

As for the rest - why the Hulk is Savage again and Rick the new A-Bomb, they'll get to it. We're only 4 issues into the series, it's these mind-numbing delays that make it feel so much longer. Issue #6 is supposed to have some answers including who's the Red Hulk.

Basically why isn't anyone question Loeb over when this story is taken place and just why are these character the way they are ? :mad:

I could care less for the Mystery of the Red Hulk, as long as things are explained along the way.

So what do you guys think of this ? :redface:
It's the delays. If the series was on track issue #8 would be out next week and we would have some of those answers.

XPac

07-29-2008, 08:16 PM

What I mean is why isn't anyone questioning Loeb over how the She-Hulk is working with Tony Stark, even after the events of World War Hulk, How the Hulk was reverted to his former Savage smash persona, and how did Rick Jones became the new Abomination, etc. etc.

Basically why isn't anyone question Loeb over when this story is taken place and just why are these character the way they are ? :mad:

I could care less for the Mystery of the Red Hulk, as long as things are explained along the way.

So what do you guys think of this ? :redface:

The She-Hulk writer didn't even know that Loeb would use She-Hulk at the time, and had to throw that whole apology letter in there to try and make it fit. I think that's a case of Loeb not being a team player with the toys in the toy box, and it did come off looking strange.

Defenders did a much better job justifying She-Hulk working with Stark and the Initiative again. Loebs handling was just confusing.

As for Savage Hulk... the different Hulks are just a reflection of Hulks multipe personalities if I'm not mistaken. And dumb Hulk has randomly appeared before (like Busieks Defenders book and in the second Sentry mini). Maybe we can just assume that Savage Dumb Hulk under certain circumstances can just pop up (like when the writer wants the dumb Hulk instead).

The whole Rick Jones Abomination thing has to be explained though. That one is too big a twist to sweep under the rug. I'm assuming that one at least is coming down the pike.

Drdmx

07-29-2008, 09:03 PM

Tobias Drake

07-30-2008, 06:41 AM

Shulkie working with Stark was questioned way back when the series started. In the Issue #1 or 2 spoiler thread.

I dont think it's complicated at all. If it's gamma related, and a Hulk level threat, it just seems common sense that Jenn is going to WANT to be involved, whether she's working with Stark or not. My guess however, is that if it came down to it... she'd rather have Stark and SHIELD working with her than against her, especially if she runs into whatever killed the original Abomination.

I like that explanation. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." She's going to investigate this. She can investigate it with the infinite resources and backup of other heroes she would get from working with Stark, or she can do it alone with no resources and go nowhere in a pointless investigation just because she cares more about being bitter than actually getting anywhere.

XPac

07-30-2008, 06:56 AM

Shulkie working with Stark was questioned way back when the series started. In the Issue #1 or 2 spoiler thread.

I dont think it's complicated at all. If it's gamma related, and a Hulk level threat, it just seems common sense that Jenn is going to WANT to be involved, whether she's working with Stark or not. My guess however, is that if it came down to it... she'd rather have Stark and SHIELD working with her than against her, especially if she runs into whatever killed the original Abomination.

And if Loeb had bothered explaining that in the book to the readers (in addition to explaining it to the She-Hulk writer), perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.

The problem here is that She-Hulk is simply there with no explanation. The writer of Defenders actually bothers taking the time to ensure that She-Hulk in that book lines up with the She-Hulk mini book and WWH at least in terms of her view of things.

CMBMOOL

07-30-2008, 07:11 AM

Well I know the topic of Shulkie working with Stark again has been the topic of much discussion/derision. Heh, she must be a much more forgiving person than I thought. That said, she stomached joining the new Defenders under the Initiative banner and Stark did apologize (for whatever that's worth).

I guess you didn't see the Last Defenders #4, where She-Hulk confronts Stark again over the shutdown of the Defenders and they did mention PAD "sorry" note. :redface:

CMBMOOL

07-30-2008, 07:14 AM

ivesaidway2much

07-30-2008, 07:25 AM

Also Although this is a double post, but does anyone else think that PAD could explain the She-Hulk's position further, since the Lady Liberators are going to be involved in the She-Hulk comic in OCT. :redface:It would probably make more sense for him to wait until after Loeb is done using his character, and then clean up the mess afterward.

Marcus_Maximus

07-30-2008, 09:28 AM

I am so sick of Loeb's mess that I cancelled Hulk until he leaves (and the Hulk is my favorite character).

Drdmx

07-30-2008, 09:40 AM

And if Loeb had bothered explaining that in the book to the readers (in addition to explaining it to the She-Hulk writer), perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.

The problem here is that She-Hulk is simply there with no explanation. The writer of Defenders actually bothers taking the time to ensure that She-Hulk in that book lines up with the She-Hulk mini book and WWH at least in terms of her view of things.

Like I said, it just seems common sense to me. Think about it.... her cousin might be involved. Her character has always been there for Bruce. If she doesnt know his status since WWH, and there's a possibility he's on the loose again, killing other Hulk level personalities, it just seems a given she's going to be involved. It doesnt need to be written, it's automatically implied.

The Joker

07-30-2008, 09:45 AM

As for Savage Hulk... the different Hulks are just a reflection of Hulks multipe personalities if I'm not mistaken. And dumb Hulk has randomly appeared before (like Busieks Defenders book and in the second Sentry mini). Maybe we can just assume that Savage Dumb Hulk under certain circumstances can just pop up (like when the writer wants the dumb Hulk instead).

It is right to assume that the Savage Hulk can just pop up without any warning. You're exactly right. Banner has been diagnosed with having MPD, and thus, has allowed writers over the years to feature a decidedly more "Savage" Hulk in guest starring roles than what was actually appearing over in Hulk's own title, which may or may not have featured a smarter Hulk.

Badfish40oz

07-30-2008, 11:38 AM

Its Loeb, they don't have to explain it.

Marcus_Maximus

07-30-2008, 11:46 AM

Its Loeb, they don't have to explain it.

Oh, I get it. Its magic

Mark_S

07-30-2008, 12:27 PM

I guess you didn't see the Last Defenders #4, where She-Hulk confronts Stark again over the shutdown of the Defenders and they did mention PAD "sorry" note. :redface:

I missed that issue, what did she say about the note? Was it actually good enough for her?

Mark_S

Superbeast

07-30-2008, 01:04 PM

Oh, I get it. Its magic

More like Quesada thinks Loeb is the best thing since blowjobs since he's now a TV writer as well. Loeb at this point could write his scripts in his own faeces with the scripts made up of madlibs and it would still get hyped and printed. We could question why but the answer is obvious to anyone with any sense.

CMBMOOL

07-30-2008, 01:15 PM

I missed that issue, what did she say about the note? Was it actually good enough for her?

Mark_S

All I recall from the issue is that she confronted Tony over his decision to place her back in the Initiative and the canceling of the Last Defenders team.

Jen soon accused Tony of having things his way and forgets the "I'm sorry" note that she kept from She-Hulk #31, and that for Tony to have good luck in saving the world on his own.

I think that what happen, I just forgot, but I did see the issue. :frown:

Venom Melendez

07-30-2008, 03:15 PM

I like that explanation. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." She's going to investigate this. She can investigate it with the infinite resources and backup of other heroes she would get from working with Stark, or she can do it alone with no resources and go nowhere in a pointless investigation just because she cares more about being bitter than actually getting anywhere.

Plus, It has to do with her cousin and even after WWH she still loves Bruce.

Venom Melendez

07-30-2008, 03:18 PM

More like Quesada thinks Loeb is the best thing since blowjobs since he's now a TV writer as well. Loeb at this point could write his scripts in his own faeces with the scripts made up of madlibs and it would still get hyped and printed. We could question why but the answer is obvious to anyone with any sense.

Well aslong as he keeps selling well of course the higher ups will think he's great.

XPac

07-30-2008, 06:49 PM

Plus, It has to do with her cousin and even after WWH she still loves Bruce.

It didn't really have anything to do with Bruce though... Banner was sitting in some SHIELD jail cell the whole time. Unless Jen doesn't know Stark didn't bother telling Jen that Banner was not involved as a way to get She-Hulk's assistance. Of course that's all speculation... that's what happens when they dont' bother giving any explanation. We're left to our imagination.

ivesaidway2much

07-30-2008, 07:43 PM

Like I said, it just seems common sense to me. Think about it.... her cousin might be involved. Her character has always been there for Bruce. If she doesnt know his status since WWH, and there's a possibility he's on the loose again, killing other Hulk level personalities, it just seems a given she's going to be involved. It doesnt need to be written, it's automatically implied.But she did know his status. Or at least she, Tony, and General Ross all implied they did in issue #1. If She-hulk really wanted to make sure that Bruce wasn't involved, all she had to do visit his prison. There is no logical reason given for her to be working so closely with Doc Samson, Tony Stark, and especially freaking Thunderbolt Ross. Not to mention that Jen had already gave up being a hero in her own book. It's just crap writing.

Carl Creel

07-30-2008, 07:54 PM

Yet another example of Quesada letting a so-called Hollywood writer do what he wants without being edited. I cant believe Quesada can still walk, what with that jelly-like spine that he has.

More like Quesada thinks Loeb is the best thing since blowjobs since he's now a TV writer as well. Loeb at this point could write his scripts in his own faeces with the scripts made up of madlibs and it would still get hyped and printed. We could question why but the answer is obvious to anyone with any sense.

ivesaidway2much

07-30-2008, 07:54 PM

As for Savage Hulk... the different Hulks are just a reflection of Hulks multipe personalities if I'm not mistaken. And dumb Hulk has randomly appeared before (like Busieks Defenders book and in the second Sentry mini). Maybe we can just assume that Savage Dumb Hulk under certain circumstances can just pop up (like when the writer wants the dumb Hulk instead).For the most part, all Hulk personalities tend to appear at random. There is rarely any rational reason for one to be the dominant personality versus another. Even Grayvage pretty much just showed up one day. Besides the mindless Hulks, the only one I can recall actually appearing for a reason was Merged Hulk. Oh yeah, and Jones' mind-numbingly boring Banner-controlled incarnation.

Drdmx

07-30-2008, 11:39 PM

But she did know his status. Or at least she, Tony, and General Ross all implied they did in issue #1. If She-hulk really wanted to make sure that Bruce wasn't involved, all she had to do visit his prison. There is no logical reason given for her to be working so closely with Doc Samson, Tony Stark, and especially freaking Thunderbolt Ross. Not to mention that Jen had already gave up being a hero in her own book. It's just crap writing.

I still feel like their's a feigning of ignorance here. Lets say she knew Bruces status. .... Ok? So? There's still a Hulk level threat running around KILLING Emil Blonsky with a weapon capable of killing Hulk level threats. It apparently has something to do with Gamma energy.... I'd say that in itself warrants Jenn's interest. That's like sayinig some guy swinging around in a black suit with a spider emblem on his chest claiming he's Spiderman isnt going to spark Pete's interest. If you really need Loeb to say -"This is gamma related, therefore Jenns willing to work alongside Stark" than that's fine.... but I'm still going to have to go with it being assumed.

Venom Melendez

07-31-2008, 12:55 AM

It didn't really have anything to do with Bruce though... Banner was sitting in some SHIELD jail cell the whole time. Unless Jen doesn't know Stark didn't bother telling Jen that Banner was not involved as a way to get She-Hulk's assistance. Of course that's all speculation... that's what happens when they dont' bother giving any explanation. We're left to our imagination.

Except they all thought it was Banner at first remember? It wasn't until the Helicarrier incident that they found out it wasn't banner.

Marcus_Maximus

07-31-2008, 06:11 AM

More like Quesada thinks Loeb is the best thing since blowjobs since he's now a TV writer as well. Loeb at this point could write his scripts in his own faeces with the scripts made up of madlibs and it would still get hyped and printed. We could question why but the answer is obvious to anyone with any sense.

I don't even watch Heroes. I think its a boring show.

Badfish40oz

07-31-2008, 06:44 AM

I've watched some of Heroes, but not enough to form an opinion on the whole thing. I will say though, it has some HORRIBLE dialogue.

Marcus_Maximus

07-31-2008, 07:08 AM

You mean like the Hulk???

ivesaidway2much

07-31-2008, 07:12 AM

I still feel like their's a feigning of ignorance here. Lets say she knew Bruces status. .... Ok? So? There's still a Hulk level threat running around KILLING Emil Blonsky with a weapon capable of killing Hulk level threats. It apparently has something to do with Gamma energy.... I'd say that in itself warrants Jenn's interest. That's like sayinig some guy swinging around in a black suit with a spider emblem on his chest claiming he's Spiderman isnt going to spark Pete's interest. If you really need Loeb to say -"This is gamma related, therefore Jenns willing to work alongside Stark" than that's fine.... but I'm still going to have to go with it being assumed.The problem is that Jen had already given up being a hero in her own book. Yet here she is travelling all over the world trying to root out evil with her allies Stark, Samson, and Ross. It's like she's two different characters. Or at the very least one of the people handling her character is doing some very crappy writing. It would be the same as if Red Hulk showed up in She-hulk's book as Bruce Banner's best friend. There's no reason for She-hulk to be there. What exactly is she going to contribute to the case that the combined forces of SHIELD and the Initiative can't? That's the problem with disregarding continuity. Although PAD says it much more succinctly in my sig.

XPac

07-31-2008, 08:18 AM

Except they all thought it was Banner at first remember? It wasn't until the Helicarrier incident that they found out it wasn't banner.

Then they're pretty stupid since they have Banner locked up. What... did the just forget or something? If that's the case, the Loeb is REALLY making these guys dumber than they should be. One would assume if a Hulk is going around the first thing Tony would do is call someone and ask if Banner is still locked up.

Drdmx

07-31-2008, 08:21 AM

The problem is that Jen had already given up being a hero in her own book. Yet here she is travelling all over the world trying to root out evil with her allies Stark, Samson, and Ross. It's like she's two different characters. Or at the very least one of the people handling her character is doing some very crappy writing. It would be the same as if Red Hulk showed up in She-hulk's book as Bruce Banner's best friend. There's no reason for She-hulk to be there. What exactly is she going to contribute to the case that the combined forces of SHIELD and the Initiative can't? That's the problem with disregarding continuity. Although PAD says it much more succinctly in my sig.

You're second sentence is where you went wrong. It's not your typical around the world jaunt to stop evil... it's to investigate a Hulk level threat. Gamma related.

Point of reference - Doc Samson #1. A Gamma Powered being is going around the city chopping up victims. Hulk is on the scene and wants Samson to help the police with the investigation. Hulk actually has a brief fight with Samson because he's unwilling... based on the fact that it's a Gamma Being on the loose. In this case, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Shulkie feels the same obligation. Why does Loeb even need to say that?

Hell.... if you're willing to ignore that, how about the fact that Blonsky's dead and she's the one who put him in custody in the first place? I mean, you can pick your poison for why she's there.... I'm ok with Loeb leaving that up to the reader. You don't need to know EVERYTHING the characters thinking, or all of their motivations.

XPac

07-31-2008, 08:23 AM

I still feel like their's a feigning of ignorance here. Lets say she knew Bruces status. .... Ok? So? There's still a Hulk level threat running around KILLING Emil Blonsky with a weapon capable of killing Hulk level threats. It apparently has something to do with Gamma energy.... I'd say that in itself warrants Jenn's interest. That's like sayinig some guy swinging around in a black suit with a spider emblem on his chest claiming he's Spiderman isnt going to spark Pete's interest. If you really need Loeb to say -"This is gamma related, therefore Jenns willing to work alongside Stark" than that's fine.... but I'm still going to have to go with it being assumed.

Again, that's the difference between the Defenders handling of the book and Loebs.

They bother connecting the dots, showing Jens feelings about being in this situation, and that actually makes it more interesting. Loeb just throws her in there without acknowledging the characters status quo, or even bothering to mention that he's using her to the writer of the She-Hulk book. It's to the point where the She-Hulk book had to throw something in there just to make her appearance in Hulk more in line.

Yes, given what we've seen of Jen in her own book and what we saw in WWH, a bit of dialogue and though bubble about Jen's motivation for the team would have been the better way to go (in addition to having a bit of professional courtesy towards the She-Hulk book itself). The whole point of the She Hulk book was that she didn't want to be involved with the superhero stuff anymore... and that comes off strange when you see her working with superheroes in a different book. SOME effort to justify that really isn't asking for too much.

ivesaidway2much

07-31-2008, 09:03 AM

Point of reference - Doc Samson #1. A Gamma Powered being is going around the city chopping up victims. Hulk is on the scene and wants Samson to help the police with the investigation. Hulk actually has a brief fight with Samson because he's unwilling... based on the fact that it's a Gamma Being on the loose. In this case, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Shulkie feels the same obligation. Why does Loeb even need to say that?Because Jen has never shown that obligation before. Prior to World without a Hulk, when was the last time she'd even seen the Leader? When was the last time she'd fought any kind of gamma-related threat?

Hell.... if you're willing to ignore that, how about the fact that Blonsky's dead and she's the one who put him in custody in the first place? I mean, you can pick your poison for why she's there.... I'm ok with Loeb leaving that up to the reader. You don't need to know EVERYTHING the characters thinking, or all of their motivations.Blonsky wasn't in custody. He was roaming around free in Russia. And repowered... which is another thing Loeb failed to explain. And that's another problem. If Jen cared so much about Hulk-level gamma threats, why wasn't she already hunting the Abomination. Shouldn't the guy who killed her friend, Betty Ross, running around unchecked have piqued her interest long before the Red Hulk had a chance to get to him?

Drdmx

07-31-2008, 09:11 AM

Because Jen has never shown that obligation before. Prior to World without a Hulk, when was the last time she'd even seen the Leader? When was the last time she'd fought any kind of gamma-related threat?

Blonsky wasn't in custody. He was roaming around free in Russia. And repowered... which is another thing Loeb failed to explain. And that's another problem. If Jen cared so much about Hulk-level gamma threats, why wasn't she already hunting the Abomination. Shouldn't the guy who killed her friend, Betty Ross, running around unchecked have piqued her interest long before the Red Hulk had a chance to get to him?

She had a direct link to that obligation this time. A Hulk level character had just killed another Hullk level character, one whom she had previously incaracerated. She probably didnt see the Leadder because he hadn't been anonomously killing gamma powered beings?

To her knowledge, Blonsky was depowered and in SHIELD custody. THEN he turned up dead... he wasnt roaming around enjoying the Russian motherland. Betty's a ridiculous example.... you'd have to ask where EVERYONE was in relation to the character after PAD killed her off. Just because Loeb decided to bring Shulkie in, (especially when she has recent involvement with all characters involved), you cant crucify his work for that.

I dont see why the connection seems so hard. I guess Wonderman shouldn't have gone around with Iron Man to figure out who was killing off all those Ionically powered beings.

XPac

07-31-2008, 09:22 AM

She had a direct link to that obligation this time. A Hulk level character had just killed another Hullk level character, one whom she had previously incaracerated. She probably didnt see the Leadder because he hadn't been anonomously killing gamma powered beings?

To her knowledge, Blonsky was depowered and in SHIELD custody. THEN he turned up dead... he wasnt roaming around enjoying the Russian motherland. Betty's a ridiculous example.... you'd have to ask where EVERYONE was in relation to the character after PAD killed her off. Just because Loeb decided to bring Shulkie in, (especially when she has recent involvement with all characters involved), you cant crucify his work for that.

I dont see why the connection seems so hard. I guess Wonderman shouldn't have gone around with Iron Man to figure out who was killing off all those Ionically powered beings.

Again, the connection is hard because you have She-Hulk in her own book saying she doesn't want to be involved with super hero stuff anymore, and She-Hulk in another book working with heroes with no explanation at all.

IF you're going to use She-Hulk at LEAST bother giving some sort of explanation to keep the her appearance in that book more in-line with her appearance in the She-Hulk on-going. When the writer of that book doesn't know about it and ends up needing to throw something in to justify the character's appearance in another book, there's potential confusion there... for the readers AND for the writer of the other book.

When you decide to play with another writers toy in the sand box, at least make SOME effort to line things up right. When that's not done, you get the complains and confusion about the characters motives that many readers have now.

ivesaidway2much

07-31-2008, 09:30 AM

Again, the connection is hard because you have She-Hulk in her own book saying she doesn't want to be involved with super hero stuff anymore, and She-Hulk in another book working with heroes with no explanation at all.

IF you're going to use She-Hulk at LEAST bother giving some sort of explanation to keep the her appearance in that book more in-line with her appearance in the She-Hulk on-going. When the writer of that book doesn't know about it and ends up needing to throw something in to justify the character's appearance in another book, there's potential confusion there... for the readers AND for the writer of the other book.

When you decide to play with another writers toy in the sand box, at least make SOME effort to line things up right. When that's not done, you get the complains and confusion about the characters motives that many readers have now.Yeah, I agree. Although, I did really enjoy it when Jen threw Tony's apology from She-hulk's book back in his face in the Last Defenders. That was an excellent use of the story PAD had to make up on the fly.

XPac

07-31-2008, 09:33 AM

Yeah, I agree. Although, I did really enjoy it when Jen threw Tony's apology from She-hulk's book back in his face in the Last Defenders. That was an excellent use of the story PAD had to make up on the fly.

Yeah, that was cool.

I initially wasn't fond of that whole not thing (hell, I half expected Tony to right his phone number and the address of the hotel he was staying at on the back of it), but they made use of it in Defenders so it's all good.

Mark_S

07-31-2008, 10:33 AM

Yeah, that was cool.

I initially wasn't fond of that whole not thing (hell, I half expected Tony to right his phone number and the address of the hotel he was staying at on the back of it), but they made use of it in Defenders so it's all good.

I haven't managed to find the issue yet, but I'm a little surprised that he didn't depower her on the spot.

Mark_S

XPac

07-31-2008, 10:40 AM

I haven't managed to find the issue yet, but I'm a little surprised that he didn't depower her on the spot.

Mark_S

I don't think he'd do that to her. Jen makes the perfect Red Hulk bait as is.

Maestro

07-31-2008, 11:06 AM

I want to believe that everything that happens in this series takes place in the Phantom Zone or Earth-2 or Marvel-222 or something

timomcshade

08-07-2008, 05:45 PM

Tobias Drake

08-07-2008, 10:40 PM

The mystery of why Namor has joined forces with Iron Man has just surpassed the mystery of why Shulkie did. Who's next? Luke Cage?

Splatt

08-08-2008, 01:32 AM

Who's next? Luke Cage?

Wolverine and Spider-Man.

XPac

08-08-2008, 09:10 AM

The mystery of why Namor has joined forces with Iron Man has just surpassed the mystery of why Shulkie did. Who's next? Luke Cage?

I suppose if we tried hard enough we could come up with some sort of explanation like we did with She-Hulk. Maybe he's plugged with nanos like the TBolts or something... I don't know.

Still, we only got him for one panel. MAYBE Loeb will bother explaining him on the team (unlike with She-Hulk). I'm not getting my hopes up... but we'll see.

Herr Mike

08-08-2008, 09:20 AM

The correct grammar is "Why AIN'T no one question Loeb..."

CMBMOOL

08-09-2008, 03:34 PM

The mystery of why Namor has joined forces with Iron Man has just surpassed the mystery of why Shulkie did. Who's next? Luke Cage?

Well maybe the Rulk is a threat to the US and the water that surrounds it. :biggrin:

DeadXMan

08-09-2008, 05:10 PM

namor is still under the FF authority since the Order so Tony might of forced him too in order to gain his freedom or make his escape

XPac

08-09-2008, 05:12 PM

namor is still under the FF authority since the Order so Tony might of forced him too in order to gain his freedom or make his escape

It's a possibility.

We from that Stark isn't shy about putting prisoners to work. We see that in TBolts. Hopefully Stark didn't do anything too drastic, like we see with the TBolts.

At this point I'll almost take any explanation... I just hope we don't get nothing like we're getting with She-Hulk.

DeadXMan

08-09-2008, 05:23 PM

as in "darn Namor got away during the fight.":wink: :wink:

XPac

08-09-2008, 05:28 PM

as in "darn Namor got away during the fight.":wink: :wink:

Well, if I was Namor that's what I'd do.

Though I'm sure Namor will take his lumps, I wonder if Red Hulk won't be doing him a favor here.

mikekerr3

08-09-2008, 05:36 PM

I still feel like their's a feigning of ignorance here. Lets say she knew Bruces status. .... Ok? So? There's still a Hulk level threat running around KILLING Emil Blonsky with a weapon capable of killing Hulk level threats. It apparently has something to do with Gamma energy.... I'd say that in itself warrants Jenn's interest. That's like sayinig some guy swinging around in a black suit with a spider emblem on his chest claiming he's Spiderman isnt going to spark Pete's interest. If you really need Loeb to say -"This is gamma related, therefore Jenns willing to work alongside Stark" than that's fine.... but I'm still going to have to go with it being assumed.

You ahve to assume that Jen would trust Samson 1% as far as she can throw. him the lasst time they met see sent him interstate via air-mail. You have to assume that She would trust Tony at her back, thats pretty much a stretch too, the last time they worked together he betrayed her.

She would be questioninh the purpose of eveything they did the animosity level between Her and Tony and Doc has gone down 99% for no apperent reason.

It's just crapy writing on Loebs part, I don't think he cars what anyone else has written anymore.

The problem was not the Rulk beating Thor it was the dumb method used to doe it.

DeadXMan

08-09-2008, 05:40 PM

Pad had Tony apologizing to Shulky in the note.

It was the first step
She still animosity toward them for what they did to her cousin but is helping them out with the Rulk

XPac

08-09-2008, 05:44 PM

Pad had Tony apologizing to Shulky in the note.

It was the first step
She still animosity toward them for what they did to her cousin but is helping them out with the Rulk

Yeah. But that's something PAD puts in after the fact to try and connect with what Loeb decided to do without Loeb telling him.

It's stuff like this which explains why readers aren't as willing to give Loeb the benefit of the doubt as some readers might want. Hopefully he learned something from this and will bother giving us SOMETHING with Namor. If it's following the same pattern he used with She-Hulk, odds are someone else will have to do it for him.

DeadXMan

08-09-2008, 05:51 PM

but that fixed the little hic-up and with the lady libs coming over to She hulk it seems they are working better together

Venom Melendez

08-09-2008, 06:05 PM

Yeah. But that's something PAD puts in after the fact to try and connect with what Loeb decided to do without Loeb telling him.

It's stuff like this which explains why readers aren't as willing to give Loeb the benefit of the doubt as some readers might want. Hopefully he learned something from this and will bother giving us SOMETHING with Namor. If it's following the same pattern he used with She-Hulk, odds are someone else will have to do it for him.

Yeah, but i believe that Jen is professional enough to help in case of a threat like Rulk.

XPac

08-09-2008, 06:22 PM

Yeah, but i believe that Jen is professional enough to help in case of a threat like Rulk.

That's the beauty of Stark screwing over other heroes. He can lie to, attack and screw them over as much as he wants to and it won't matter... they're heroes so they'll still help him out anyways.

How else can you explain him having a team compossed of Hulk, Namor and She-Hulk after everything that's gone down. Though I suppose you can just explain it by saying Loeb is writing it.

DeadXMan

08-09-2008, 06:40 PM

cause Tony is a silver-tounged devil

XPac

08-09-2008, 06:46 PM

cause Tony is a silver-tounged devil

He'd have to be. So far She-Hulk was basically Samson's punching bad in the first issue, and a decaoy to keep Red Hulk busy while he got in his armor in the second. She Hulk is literally Starks cannon fodder. If Stark can talk her into that role despite what's been going down between them, he's more than good.

I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for She-Hulk, or if I should just kinda snicker at her.

DeadXMan

08-09-2008, 06:51 PM

He'd have to be. So far She-Hulk was basically Samson's punching bad in the first issue, and a decaoy to keep Red Hulk busy while he got in his armor in the second. She Hulk is literally Starks cannon fodder. If Stark can talk her into that role despite what's been going down between them, he's more than good.

I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for She-Hulk, or if I should just kinda snicker at her.

who said anything about talking?:wink: