Catwoman #81 question

[sHayden]

Is Catwoman #81 still planned to be the last issue of the series?
If so, has DC said what they have planned for her once this all wraps up?

[joe27]

#82 is the last issue. Which sucks. Granted, I've maybe bought three issues of this book since Ed Brubaker left, but I was hoping he might come back at some point.

I haven't heard anything about plans for the character, other than she's in the current Detective storyline. I'm fairly certain she won't go back to hooking though.

[sHayden]

Great, so one of two DC books I read gets canned.

[humpa]

Great, so one of two DC books I read gets canned.

i hear you. i just got into catwoman and became my 2nd DC book to read. its a bummer that it just got canned.

I saw one cover of another series where catwoman teams up with superman. anyone know which series thats in? it hasnt come out yet, its coming soon.

[Schornforce]

i hear you. i just got into catwoman and became my 2nd DC book to read. its a bummer that it just got canned.

I saw one cover of another series where catwoman teams up with superman. anyone know which series thats in? it hasnt come out yet, its coming soon.

Brave and the Bold.

I'm also upset they're cancelling the Catwoman book. Stupid Didio.

[Robo Ape]

Is it sales that much worse than other low selling titles, where is the cut off point to decide which titles live & which get axed?

[sHayden]

Is it sales that much worse than other low selling titles, where is the cut off point to decide which titles live & which get axed?

Robo Ape, while I consider you quite a bright poster and like to read what you put down on these forums, you have just written something utterly ridiculous. Level of sales for a title getting cancelled? This is DC, sales has nothing to do with it! Catwoman made sense and was easy to follow. DC can't have that. All of their stuff has to be confusing and inaccessible to anyone who does not have the total history of the DC universe memorized!
Sales, haha, how silly of you!

[Pixie_Solanas]

In all fairness, and I am Catwoman's biggest bitchfan ever, the story quality on the title has dropped PRECIPITOUSLY ever since she dumped the baby. The Salvation Run tie-in and subsequent fight with the multiple man has been nothing short of groan-inducing.

So yeah, it's sad my favorite title is going out with a whimper. Ah well. At least I have most of the AH covers on my wall to keep me company.

[humpa]

they shouldn't have given her a baby only to dump that baby. not to mention the father was killed lol. was completely pointless.

[Pixie_Solanas]

they shouldn't have given her a baby only to dump that baby. not to mention the father was killed lol. was completely pointless.

In hindsight, I agree. They should have never taken away the baby.

[AlistairCrane]

Helena should've been Bruce's from Day 1. So he can have a son with Talia but not a daughter with Selina? Yeah f***ing right. :rolleyes:

[humpa]

bruce has a son?

[Captain Jim]

bruce has a son?

Unfortunately, at least if Grant Morrison is to be believed. His mother is Talia (daughter of Ras al Ghul) and his name is Daimon.

[Captain Jim]

Is it sales that much worse than other low selling titles, where is the cut off point to decide which titles live & which get axed?

Yeah, sales have been pretty bad for quite a while, which is too bad since I think it was a great book, one of my personal favorites.

I'd agree that the Amazon Attack and Salvation Run tie-in's were a step downward, but I think tying in to other titles was a last ditch effort to increase sales.

[AlistairCrane]

Funny how Manhunter can have consistently lower sales than Catwoman yet still survive cancellation twice. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Robo Ape]

Robo Ape, while I consider you quite a bright poster and like to read what you put down on these forums, you have just written something utterly ridiculous. Level of sales for a title getting cancelled? This is DC, sales has nothing to do with it! Catwoman made sense and was easy to follow. DC can't have that. All of their stuff has to be confusing and inaccessible to anyone who does not have the total history of the DC universe memorized!
Sales, haha, how silly of you!

Doubly makes no sense to cancel one of their most easily recognisable characters to comic fans as well as the wider community outside.

Well BoP also fulfils your criteria of being easy to follow but with lowish sales & they haven't axed that yet.

[ZT4]

Unfortunately, at least if Grant Morrison is to be believed. His mother is Talia (daughter of Ras al Ghul) and his name is Daimon.

Damion was conceived years ago in "Son of the Demon", Morrison just deposited him back into canon and named him

And there's nothing "unfortunate" about it, it's a great peice of character growth (something strongly needed in comics), and Talia is the lovable psycho who means well, it fits the two to have a complciation like that in their lives, and it's developed very well in "Batman and Son"

[AlistairCrane]

Damion was conceived years ago in "Son of the Demon", Morrison just deposited him back into canon and named him

And there's nothing "unfortunate" about it, it's a great peice of character growth (something strongly needed in comics), and Talia is the lovable psycho who means well, it fits the two to have a complciation like that in their lives, and it's developed very well in "Batman and Son"

Well, actually, Damian may not be Bruce's son after all. He did a DNA test but has yet to share the results with anyone.

And I thoroughly disagree that Damian's existence is a good idea. Now Bruce is tied to that psycho bitch Talia forever. :mad: It's actually very unfortunate.

[Absolut_Fresh]

Just picked up #81 today and man does it make me miss Selina already!! GREAT issue with some old Selina rooftop hopping fun! DC really missed the boat with the cancellation of this series. Bad DC, BAD! Down to two DC titles monthly now.

[AlistairCrane]

I absolutely hated #81. So Selina's back to being a bitchy criminal thief again because she's happy to be off the Hell Planet? Yeah right. :rolleyes: And the preview for next issue makes me sick. I bet Will Pfeifer is going to end this series with Batman and Catwoman being sworn enemies again rather than actually have them develop some sort of romantic relationship, which is what most fans want.

[Pixie_Solanas]

And the preview for next issue makes me sick. I bet Will Pfeifer is going to end this series with Batman and Catwoman being sworn enemies again rather than actually have them develop some sort of romantic relationship, which is what most fans want.

Uh, I don't. Selina's not one to ever get tied down, esp. not to Bruce Wayne (who's apparently not long for this mortal plane anyway).

I liked the sexual tension, the flirtation, hell even a tryst or two, but i'd absolutely despise any attempt to make a couple out of them.

We see how great that's working out for BC and GA (hint: it ain't - it's boooooring).

Anyway, I'd rather see Selina get her claws into Dick Grayson. Yum yum.

[AlistairCrane]

Uh, I don't. Selina's not one to ever get tied down, esp. not to Bruce Wayne (who's apparently not long for this mortal plane anyway).

I liked the sexual tension, the flirtation, hell even a tryst or two, but i'd absolutely despise any attempt to make a couple out of them.

We see how great that's working out for BC and GA (hint: it ain't - it's boooooring).

Anyway, I'd rather see Selina get her claws into Dick Grayson. Yum yum.

Good for you, you're in the minority. I don't really care.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Good for you, you're in the minority. I don't really care.

You're a pleasant one, aren't you.

Don't bang your head too hard on the keyboard, now.

next time, don't throw around blanket statements about what CW fans want or don't want - you end up talkin out of your rear end. A romance between Selina and Bruce. What are you, a preteen girl? LOL! ROMANCE! Hopefully we'll get a three part arc with them shopping at Whole Foods together and selecting items for their Club Wedd registry at Target! Whooo!

[AlistairCrane]

You're a pleasant one, aren't you.

Don't bang your head too hard on the keyboard, now.

next time, don't throw around blanket statements about what CW fans want or don't want - you end up talkin out of your rear end. A romance between Selina and Bruce. What are you, a preteen girl? LOL! ROMANCE! Hopefully we'll get a three part arc with them shopping at Whole Foods together and selecting items for their Club Wedd registry at Target! Whooo!

I said "most" fans. If you don't fall into "most", then logically, you're in the minority. And thanks for the insults, you're now on ignore.

[Absolut_Fresh]

whoa there, easy on the snarkiness....i dont neccessarily want a full on relationship w/ Bruce and Selina either. i like the tension and the flirtation too! you know they care for one another deeply and i think putting them together officially would put the nail in the coffin....comic couples get very boring once they are finally together and it never lasts...

and i think this issue captured exactly what used to make Selina so much fun. its the hiests and the sense of adventure that is obviously what makes Selina tick. i dont take anything away from her time as a reluctant hero as the protector of the East End, those were some great stories but i really like my Selina the way she was portrayed in this issue.

[AlistairCrane]

whoa there, easy on the snarkiness....i dont neccessarily want a full on relationship w/ Bruce and Selina either. i like the tension and the flirtation too! you know they care for one another deeply and i think putting them together officially would put the nail in the coffin....comic couples get very boring once they are finally together and it never lasts...

and i think this issue captured exactly what used to make Selina so much fun. its the hiests and the sense of adventure that is obviously what makes Selina tick. i dont take anything away from her time as a reluctant hero as the protector of the East End, those were some great stories but i really like my Selina the way she was portrayed in this issue.

Looks like you'll get your wish, while fans like me are left out to dry. Enjoy.

[humpa]

they should've ended it with selina settle down and living in the wayne manor (with her baby). and have her as a supporting character for batman (mainly when hes in his home, not helping him to fight superman level stuff).

[Pixie_Solanas]

Is it only me, or isn't Selina more interesting when her motives aren't so clearly defined? What always appealed to me about the character was that she was essentially a villain with a frequent "good" side - but you never knew what you were in for. Hooking up her up with Brucie would have cemented her as a "heroic" figure - and then really painting the character into a creatively-uninspired corner.

[chipsnopotatoes]

I loved this issue. I loved the ambiguity of Catwoman and her attitude. (To hell with it. the world owes me!). I love that she's not keeling over and doing as he says just because he says so.

I also love that she's back in the bat books and interacting more with Batman (although I dont like the way Dini writes her at the moment). I don't know if her thieving is permanent, but even if it is, I'd love to see their relationship progress despite it. I wouldn't want DC to go back to the tired storyline of him rejecting her right off the bat because she's a thief. It would really be interesting to me to see Batman be faced with tough choices, and maybe even succumb to the idea of compromise. For once, I would love Selina to have the upper hand in that relationship.

And because I just feel she's getting the short end of the stick, I wouldnt be opposed to her having a fling with someone younger and goodlooking (someone suggested Nightwing but that might be a little wierd--like Slam/Sam all over again) since Bruce is Jezebeled right now.

What I'm confused about though is where this lies in continuity. Are these last two books supposed to be before, during or after the Detective/Hush storyline and even RIP. I read somewhere that she would be an impt character post RIP.
If anyone has a clue, pls post your theory.

[AlistairCrane]

I loved this issue. I loved the ambiguity of Catwoman and her attitude. (To hell with it. the world owes me!). I love that she's not keeling over and doing as he says just because he says so.

I also love that she's back in the bat books and interacting more with Batman (although I dont like the way Dini writes her at the moment). I don't know if her thieving is permanent, but even if it is, I'd love to see their relationship progress despite it. I wouldn't want DC to go back to the tired storyline of him rejecting her right off the bat because she's a thief. It would really be interesting to me to see Batman be faced with tough choices, and maybe even succumb to the idea of compromise. For once, I would love Selina to have the upper hand in that relationship.

And because I just feel she's getting the short end of the stick, I wouldnt be opposed to her having a fling with someone younger and goodlooking (someone suggested Nightwing but that might be a little wierd--like Slam/Sam all over again) since Bruce is Jezebeled right now.

What I'm confused about though is where this lies in continuity. Are these last two books supposed to be before, during or after the Detective/Hush storyline and even RIP. I read somewhere that she would be an impt character post RIP.
If anyone has a clue, pls post your theory.

Dini has said his "Heart of Hush" story takes place just prior to RIP, so this issue (and the finale) either takes place in between the two, or just prior to "Heart of Hush". If Selina doesn't call Batman "Bruce" next issue, then that may be a clue that it's post-RIP.

[Captain Jim]

What I'm confused about though is where this lies in continuity. Are these last two books supposed to be before, during or after the Detective/Hush storyline and even RIP. I read somewhere that she would be an impt character post RIP.
If anyone has a clue, pls post your theory.

I've been operating on the assumption that the Detective issues occur after the end of the Catwoman series, and for that reason, haven't read those Detectives yet.

[Captain Jim]

Funny how Manhunter can have consistently lower sales than Catwoman yet still survive cancellation twice. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The difference is that Manhunter is critically acclaimed and very possibly may be doing much better in the TPB market.

[AlistairCrane]

The difference is that Manhunter is critically acclaimed and very possibly may be doing much better in the TPB market.

I've dropped Manhunter because of Catwoman's cancellation. It's not right that Selina loses her book and that pretender gets to keep going.

[Captain Jim]

Somehow the logic of that move escapes me.

[AlistairCrane]

Somehow the logic of that move escapes me.

Selina's book deserves to be around more than Kate's. So, since Selina has lost her book, I will no longer support Kate's book because a newcomer like Kate sure as hell does not deserve to have a title while Selina does not. In not supporting the Manhunter book, I'm helping its chances of being cancelled again.

[Captain Jim]

So, because a very good book was cancelled, you're going to boycott an excellent book that had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

[AlistairCrane]

So, because a very good book was cancelled, you're going to boycott an excellent book that had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

You have it mixed up. Catwoman is the excellent book, Manhunter is very good. If Catwoman's cancelled, then a lesser book like Manhunter sure as hell DOES NOT deserve to be alive.

[ThreeDays]

So, because a very good book was cancelled, you're going to boycott an excellent book that had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

Going to have to agree with Cap here. The loss of one good book is no reason to cause the loss of another good book, especially since it can't exactly be blamed for said loss.

You have it mixed up. Catwoman is the excellent book, Manhunter is very good. If Catwoman's cancelled, then a lesser book like Manhunter sure as hell DOES NOT deserve to be alive.

By that reasoning, only about 5% of published titles deserve to be alive. Were that the case, we'd probably see the comic industry fade away (at least where Marvel and DC are concerned), with the focus given entirely to films and animated series.

It's not right that Selina loses her book and that pretender gets to keep going.

Selina's not real. Just throwing that out there.

[AlistairCrane]

Selina's not real. Just throwing that out there.



Catwoman is my favourite character in all of comic-dom and the only reason I read DC, so excuse me for feeling passionately about this.

[sabongero]

Sorry dude, I'll have to agree with Captain Jim on his post here. I will say that Pfeifer's work on The Cat was good. I liked it, with the exception of the baby during the OYL business.

Manhunter by Andreyko has garnered critical praise even from mainstream media. You can google reviews on Manhunter in newspapers as well. And I have to admit it has been written solidly for quite some time.

But hey, you have a right to your opinion. I can respect that.

[ThreeDays]

Catwoman is my favourite character in all of comic-dom and the only reason I read DC, so excuse me for feeling passionately about this.

It's good that you feel that passionate about it. I'm glad you do. I'm only saying that keeping a level head's a good thing too. Encouraging the cancellation of any quality publication in the realm of comicdom is bad for all of us — yourself included. Didio and Quesada are already convinced enough that they don't have to ensure any kind of quality effort is maintained.

By the way, Catwoman's really the only reason you read DC at all? That is, indeed, some passionate dedication to the character. That's cool.

I apologize if you've explained this elsewhere, but why is that? I'm interested in what it is about her that appeals to you. I've always had a soft spot for her myself, but not nearly to the same extent. I'm always curious about what draws someone to a character. Every character is someone's favorite somewhere. Zatanna and Batman are probably mine.

[AlistairCrane]

Sorry dude, I'll have to agree with Captain Jim on his post here. I will say that Pfeifer's work on The Cat was good. I liked it, with the exception of the baby during the OYL business.



I liked it too, for the most part, but that's it. Pfeifer's run has been nothing special. Outside of the characterization of Selina, he was never able to write a decent story for her with compelling villains or supporting characters. The baby thing was an annoying waste of time, we got way too much Film Freak, Angle Man, and Hammer and Sickle, and lame characters like the Thief and Repro. The book has felt directionless for a long time now, and honestly, the book should've been given a new creative team rather than outright cancelled. This book has only had two regular writers in its entire tenure.

[AlistairCrane]

I apologize if you've explained this elsewhere, but why is that? I'm interested in what it is about her that appeals to you. I've always had a soft spot for her myself, but not nearly to the same extent. I'm always curious about what draws someone to a character. Every character is someone's favorite somewhere. Zatanna and Batman are probably mine.

Selina's a kick-ass woman who goes after what she wants and gets it. That's most evident in her early days as a thief. Honestly, to a certain extent, she's a good role model for young girls and boys. Her transformation from selfish kleptomaniac to a Robin-Hood-esque anti-hero has been compelling. Plus, she's always been someone who's walked a grey line, which is fascinating. Even before the 2001 relaunch, she was never really a villain as bad as even the Riddler.

And her relationship with Batman is a big part of it. The cat-and-mouse thing between them is dynamic, but it needs to develop even further.

The only reason I'm not dumping DC completely after her book ends is because she's set to play a prominent role in the Batbooks (and to be fair, I don't read any DC outside of the Batbooks except for Manhunter and Final Crisis).

I'm almost finished collecting all of Catwoman's post-Crisis/canonical appearances and I'll be very happy when I'm done!

[AlistairCrane]

Also, I boycotted Morrison's Batman for two years because I thought it was such a slap in the face to Catwoman fans that Bats should get a son with Talia (that slut) and not a daughter with Selina. And I had collected Batman every month since Hush in 2002. The only reason I'm reading RIP is because I got sucked into the hype.

[ThreeDays]

Selina's a kick-ass woman who goes after what she wants and gets it. That's most evident in her early days as a thief. Honestly, to a certain extent, she's a good role model for young girls and boys. Her transformation from selfish kleptomaniac to a Robin-Hood-esque anti-hero has been compelling. Plus, she's always been someone who's walked a grey line, which is fascinating. Even before the 2001 relaunch, she was never really a villain as bad as even the Riddler.

Thanks for the explanation. I've always liked those things about her as well, and agree on all points.

And her relationship with Batman is a big part of it. The cat-and-mouse thing between them is dynamic, but it needs to develop even further.

I always wished it would as well, but given Batman's obsession, I doubt it can. The one thing that disappointed me about the DC Animated Universe was that things didn't end happily between them, but, really, that's Batman. I don't think it could go any other way as long as he's wearing the suit.

The only reason I'm not dumping DC completely after her book ends is because she's set to play a prominent role in the Batbooks (and to be fair, I don't read any DC outside of the Batbooks except for Manhunter and Final Crisis).

Hopefully they put her to good use.

I'm almost finished collecting all of Catwoman's post-Crisis/canonical appearances and I'll be very happy when I'm done!

Good luck with that, and congrats.

Also, I boycotted Morrison's Batman for two years because I thought it was such a slap in the face to Catwoman fans that Bats should get a son with Talia (that slut) and not a daughter with Selina.

I was disappointed that Helena wasn't his as well, but I was cool with Bruce having a kid with Talia. I always did like Ibn al Xu'ffasch in "Kingdom Come." Just wish Morrison had kept that name.

[jeangreydp]

I ran into Didio while bar-hopping the other night and gave him shit about Catwoman.

He made a joke, "Oh so you're the one reading it?"

I said its really good and should keep up. He told me he'd love to keep it going, but they don't sell enough copies. Which is what it comes down to when you run a business. Maybe if there were to be a spike on TPBs? I got one of my friends to purchase a few.

[joe27]

Also, I boycotted Morrison's Batman for two years because I thought it was such a slap in the face to Catwoman fans that Bats should get a son with Talia (that slut) and not a daughter with Selina. And I had collected Batman every month since Hush in 2002. The only reason I'm reading RIP is because I got sucked into the hype.

As a huge Catwoman fan, I was glad Batman wasn't the father of her kid. It seems people would prefer Selina to be some loser whose life gravitates around one man.

She's her own person, and I like that she can have relationships, flings, children, a life that doesn't necessarily include Batman.

Talia is a bit of a starf*cker & far too concerned with pedigree, but Selina certainly isn't. She's going to be with whoever she wants, and to hell with what everyone else thinks.

[jeangreydp]

As a huge Catwoman fan, I was glad Batman wasn't the father of her kid. It seems people would prefer Selina to be some loser whose life gravitates around one man.

She's her own person, and I like that she can have relationships, flings, children, a life that doesn't necessarily include Batman.

Talia is a bit of a starf*cker & far too concerned with pedigree, but Selina certainly isn't. She's going to be with whoever she wants, and to hell with what everyone else thinks.

I'm going to agree with you here.

My feeling is that Batman could never sustain a relationship with anyone other than Selina, but Selina is her own person and far more flexible than he is. She could have a real relationship w/ someone else.

[AlistairCrane]

As a huge Catwoman fan, I was glad Batman wasn't the father of her kid. It seems people would prefer Selina to be some loser whose life gravitates around one man.

She's her own person, and I like that she can have relationships, flings, children, a life that doesn't necessarily include Batman.

Talia is a bit of a starf*cker & far too concerned with pedigree, but Selina certainly isn't. She's going to be with whoever she wants, and to hell with what everyone else thinks.

Oh, Selina can be with whomever she pleases, but none of those relationships would be as epic or as important as her relationship with Batman. Ultimately, when it comes down to it, they have the best chemistry, and out of all their potential pairings, Bruce and Selina are most suited for each other. They belong together. They're soulmates.

[AlistairCrane]

I ran into Didio while bar-hopping the other night and gave him shit about Catwoman.

He made a joke, "Oh so you're the one reading it?"

I said its really good and should keep up. He told me he'd love to keep it going, but they don't sell enough copies. Which is what it comes down to when you run a business. Maybe if there were to be a spike on TPBs? I got one of my friends to purchase a few.

...which is such a ridiculous argument when books like Blue Beetle and Manhunter consistently sell lower than Catwoman and THEY get to stick around. DiDio was far too hasty to cancel Catwoman when a simple change in creative teams would've spiked sales. Let's face it, Pfeifer and Lopez are not brand-name.

[Robo Ape]

...which is such a ridiculous argument when books like Blue Beetle and Manhunter consistently sell lower than Catwoman and THEY get to stick around. DiDio was far too hasty to cancel Catwoman when a simple change in creative teams would've spiked sales. Let's face it, Pfeifer and Lopez are not brand-name.

It constantly amazes me that Blue Beetle keeps going, should have been axed ages back.

Also by his logic no matter the reviews Manhunter should have been axed too no matter how good it's reviews.

I smell some double-standards here.

[Pixie_Solanas]

As a huge Catwoman fan, I was glad Batman wasn't the father of her kid. It seems people would prefer Selina to be some loser whose life gravitates around one man.

She's her own person, and I like that she can have relationships, flings, children, a life that doesn't necessarily include Batman.

Talia is a bit of a starf*cker & far too concerned with pedigree, but Selina certainly isn't. She's going to be with whoever she wants, and to hell with what everyone else thinks.

Quoted for truth.

[Pixie_Solanas]

...which is such a ridiculous argument when books like Blue Beetle and Manhunter consistently sell lower than Catwoman and THEY get to stick around. DiDio was far too hasty to cancel Catwoman when a simple change in creative teams would've spiked sales. Let's face it, Pfeifer and Lopez are not brand-name.

Didio has it out for CW. Quite obvious.

Hell, didn't you read the whole thing about him opposed to Selina being in Adam Hughes' "Women of DC" poster recently? And if you'll see the two-page ad in current books with the poster, guess who's cut out? Yep.

[thor25]

[My feeling is that Batman could never sustain a relationship with anyone other than Selina, but Selina is her own person and far more flexible than he is. She could have a real relationship w/ someone else.

good point

Oh, Selina can be with whomever she pleases, but none of those relationships would be as epic or as important as her relationship with Batman. Ultimately, when it comes down to it, they have the best chemistry, and out of all their potential pairings, Bruce and Selina are most suited for each other. They belong together. They're soulmates.

Agree 100%.

[Robo Ape]

Didio has it out for CW. Quite obvious.

Hell, didn't you read the whole thing about him opposed to Selina being in Adam Hughes' "Women of DC" poster recently? And if you'll see the two-page ad in current books with the poster, guess who's cut out? Yep.

Isn't that kind of petty?

[jeangreydp]

Didio has it out for CW. Quite obvious.

Hell, didn't you read the whole thing about him opposed to Selina being in Adam Hughes' "Women of DC" poster recently? And if you'll see the two-page ad in current books with the poster, guess who's cut out? Yep.

Yeah, you have a point there. I wonder why he doesn't like her. I should have asked that, but then again I was pretty blitzed and James Robinson was there so I was all "Superman this, Superman that"

When I went over to Adam Hughes' booth he was saying that he had to fight like hell to get her on that poster. And I'm glad he did. She's the hottest lady on it.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Yeah, you have a point there. I wonder why he doesn't like her. I should have asked that, but then again I was pretty blitzed and James Robinson was there so I was all "Superman this, Superman that"

When I went over to Adam Hughes' booth he was saying that he had to fight like hell to get her on that poster. And I'm glad he did. She's the hottest lady on it.


They had enough room to include Batwoman (BATWOMAN), but not Selina? Mindboggling. Not sure what crawled up Didio's arse in regards to Selina. And it ain't her villain status as Poison Ivy's front and center.

[mgs]

I don't think it was a bad issue, not great, like it usually is, but had it's moments. I esp. liked the way she finally handled Calculator, as I thought her collaboration with him severely hampered her character and he was waay too powerful to be left around with what he knows. Hopefully, that's the last of him.

[Sean Walsh]

Unfortunately, at least if Grant Morrison is to be believed. His mother is Talia (daughter of Ras al Ghul) and his name is Daimon.

Not all Morrison's fault, mind you.

The concept reaches back to SON OF THE DEMON, a prestige format book where Talia is revealed to be pregnant at story's end. It was basically outcasted as non-canon soon after.......but with the reemergence of the multiverse and the arrival of Morrison, he decided to make that story official, more or less, and huzzah! Batman's got a kid.

[Alexx1]

They had enough room to include Batwoman (BATWOMAN), but not Selina? Mindboggling. Not sure what crawled up Didio's arse in regards to Selina..

I agree!

I was dismayed that Batwoman got on instead of Huntress. Catwoman should have been a given, a no brainer. I don't understand Didio thinking where she's concerned and I personally can't understand putting Batwoman on before Huntress. Maybe others feel different.

[Captain Jim]

Pfeifer's run has been nothing special. Outside of the characterization of Selina, he was never able to write a decent story for her with compelling villains or supporting characters. The baby thing was an annoying waste of time, we got way too much Film Freak, Angle Man, and Hammer and Sickle, and lame characters like the Thief and Repro. The book has felt directionless for a long time now,

Wow, you sure have a different definition of "excellent book" than I do. :eek:

[Robo Ape]

Interesting issue, but not really all that good as it just felt like all that character development that had been built up over it's run was just dumped & we ended up back at square one with the character.

[AlistairCrane]

Interesting issue, but not really all that good as it just felt like all that character development that had been built up over it's run was just dumped & we ended up back at square one with the character.

Bingo. Colour me pissed.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Was the significance of the Nazi relics ever explained, or was it just a throw-away reference?

[mgs]

Was the significance of the Nazi relics ever explained, or was it just a throw-away reference?

significance? I just think the photo was valued b/c it was an original signed one. Don't think there was any significance to them being in the book.

[AlistairCrane]

Interesting issue, but not really all that good as it just felt like all that character development that had been built up over it's run was just dumped & we ended up back at square one with the character.

The more I think about it, the more angry I become thinking about this issue and the next. I want #82 to get here just so we'll know one way or another what's what. I'll honestly be sick to my stomach if we go back to Catwoman being a villainess and being enemies with Batman. I thought we'd moved past that isht.

[Robo Ape]

The more I think about it, the more angry I become thinking about this issue and the next. I want #82 to get here just so we'll know one way or another what's what. I'll honestly be sick to my stomach if we go back to Catwoman being a villainess and being enemies with Batman. I thought we'd moved past that isht.

I got a feeling that at the end of the series she will back to square one & any character development across it's run will have been firmly dumped.

[Captain Jim]

My read is that however Selena is portrayed at the end of this series will be editorially mandated.