Fringe

[Royal]

Thought I'd start a thread.

No big news yet besides the Pilot being "leaked" to the public. There are some sites though.

http://www.youtube.com/portaltoindia
http://twitter.com/eliza123456
http://www.d-9.com/
http://www.massivedynamic.com/
http://exploretheimpossibilities.com/
http://www.multinationalunited.com/

[Donald M.]

A potentially cool sci-fi series on FOX?


The countdown to early cancellation begins . . .

[Jared]

The previews on TV left me with no idea what the show is about. Maybe that's the intent?

[adamthered]

I thought it was okay. Feels like it's going to take a while to get going. I'll support it because of Abrams' involvement and hope FOX gives it a chance to grow.

If it gets booted over to Friday nights though I won't hold out hope :D

[Royal]

If FOX boots it, it'll show that they have no idea on how to run a TV channel.

BTW, d-9 and Multinational United are for a movie and is not related to Fringe.

[Royal]

It looks x-files ish. I may check it out but I will probably pass.

I hear that a lot. It's a totally different beast then X-Files. I think the only things that is comparable in both series is that the main body of characters work for the government and that they both have mythologies. Fringe's will be more open about it.

[Sheldon]

Ana Torv is a pretty crummy actor. And the dialogue is fairly horrible....but for some reason I'm still watching it...

[West Mantooth]

About what I expected from the team behind Transformers.

[EZMOHR]

You know Royal, you are right, this show is nothing like The X-Files. That show made me want to watch more after the pilot episode. This one makes me hope it gets cancelled soon, so J.J. Abrams can go back to actually doing something on Lost besides his name just being in the credits.

[Sheldon]

Interesting ideas, really bad execution, acting and dialogue. The rationale for the show seemed very forced at the end. I'm disapointed. I don't expect this to last very long.

[Bill Thompson]

I liked it, even if it was a rather pedestrian offering in terms of predictability within the plot, twists and such.

[Davideaux]

It was okay. The lead female character frowned throughout the whole show though. Joshua Jackson was tolerable, but I thought it was funny whenever he put on his serious actor voice. The plot wasn't too exciting but some of the action scenes were good. I did chuckle a few times, especially the scene with the cow and SpongeBob. I will have to force myself to remember to watch the next episode though.

[marty is ruling]

I thought the show was great. The cast has chemistry. The story moved along. And above all it's an interesting concept. This show will be one of Fox's biggest hits.

As for the criticisms....I disagree with all of them. I thought the dialoge was well done. They kept it simple and true to the characters they were portraying.

As for the remark about the lead frowning through most of the show...why wouldn't she. Sleep depravation and stress don't make people all smiles.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion....I just think that some people are trying to find faults where there aren't any.

[DonC]

Any good was undercut with poor acting (Blonde Agent Mulder, I'm looking at you) and a weak plot. "Hey, Mr. Terrorist, you've killed over a hundred people, but we'll let you walk if you tell us how to save this one dude." Yeah, okay.

I'll give it another try, but this needs to improve and fast.

[noh-varr]

The plot meandered. The dialogue was meh at best. And the big thing at the start was really a very bad awkward scene of mutual love profession followed by an explosion. On the other side, I'd rather have Abrams here then on Lost. All Abrams brought to that besides the name was the hatch... and lord the hatch sucked. It may get another shot at some point, but really all the characters, I just don't care. Even the crazy bad guy genius they bring out to help save the day was not interesting. His character is SUPPOSED to be eccentric and steal the show...

[Jared]

I missed the everything before the agent waking up in the hosptial. I gathered that they found a plane with everybody dead and crystalized. What led them to warehouse?

I didn't buy that such a major terrorist act apparently only has one agent investigating.

Naturally they couldn't get through the pilot without the story calling for the female agent to appear in her underwear. IIRC, that happened on The X-Files, too.

Whereas other shows often run into the problem of setting up a mythology that becomes too vast and convoluted, it seems like Fringe might have be the inverse of that. Already it seems that we know the evil corporation is behind everything, we just don't know why.

Joshua Jackson need's more a purpose for his character beyond crazy dad-wrangler.

It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't good either. I see it likely swinging one way or the other within a few episodes.

[jdwrocks]

I didn't mind it. It was a pretty good story. I thought the acting was decent, except for the female FBI agent, she sucked. The one problem I had w/ the story was the ending. (Yeah I know I'm being a geek to point it out) There is 0% chance an FBI agent, especially one who was betraying the agency, who's body would be released by the FBI so another party could get a hold of it. Stupid Stupid Stupid!!!

[kalorama]

Not only was it pretty mediocre on its own merits as a drama, it didn't even come close to delivering the kind of early X-Files chill/creep factor that all the advanced hype led us to thing it would.

When you can say the best thing about a show is the guy from Dawson's Creek, you know it's in trouble.

And, to add to the list of logical implausibilities: The hospital released a frozen, comatose FBI agent who'd been infected with an unidentified toxin that had already liquified a planeload of people so he could be transformed to an unsecured, nonsterile lab located in the moldy basement of a publicly accessible building on the campus of a major university whose student body includes children from some of the wealthiest, most influential families in the country. Really?

[West Mantooth]

The true problem with the plot for me was that no one seemed to be investigating this plane load of people being mysteriously killed. The Blonde-Agent(?name) just gets all this stuff but we never get the idea that the anyone else is working this from a different angle. "Thanks for solving this case that no one else was even attempting to investigate. Let me tell you about all this crazy stuff that has been happening."

[kalorama]

Well, that's not really true. They showed us the cross-agency collection of operatives who showed up at the crash site and who were working the room at the command center. No one else was working the lead that she was because the guy who was running the operation thought it was a dead end only let her follow it because he wanted her out of his way. He didn't think anything would come of it. She was basically off the reservation the whole episode.

[40footwolf]

Bad acting and absolutely atrocious dialogue ruin what could have been a little bit of fun.

[West Mantooth]

Well, that's not really true. They showed us the cross-agency collection of operatives who showed up at the crash sight and who were working the room at the command center. No one else was working the lead that she was because the guy who was running the operation thought it was a dead end only let her follow it because he wanted her out of his way. He didn't think anything would come of it. She was basically off the reservation the whole episode.

Letting her follow a lead is different from no one else coming up with clues. I just wanted to see someone else investigating. The scene you are talking about took place all in the first five or ten minutes of the show. And it was compounded by the fact that she was just given all this access despite following an unappreciated hunch. You need to move an infectious body? Sure. Need that Dawson Creek guy's file? Sure. Take a mental patient out of a hospital?Sure. All to save one guy who you suspect her of having an inappropriate relationship with?

[kalorama]

Of course the show followed what she was doing. The show was about her. It was a given that the other agents were following other leads. But they didn't show that because those other agents weren't the stars of the show.

[West Mantooth]

Of course the show followed what she was doing. The show was about her. It was a given that the other agents were following other leads. But they didn't show that because those other agents weren't the stars of the show.


I didn't need to see her fellow agents. I mean, there was another agent who walked in at the doctor's basement lab or her assistant could have given her info that was found out from other investigations.

Like I said. It was compounded by the fact that an agent who he wanted out of his hair was getting access like he had full confidence in her investigation.

[Jared]

I thought it was odd that she got so much static trying to follow leads to save a fellow agent. I mean, wanting to talk to crazy genius in a mental hospital shouldn't be such a big deal. Cops on TV are always going to great lengths to save or avenge their own. I guess Feds don't give a shit.

[marshal99]

The name of JJ Abrams will ensure that this series will stay on the air much longer than it will if it had been anyone else writing it.

[AlistairCrane]

I thought it was mediocre too, but I generally don't judge a new series by its pilot episode because the pilot was filmed a long time ago and is really just a tool to sell the series to the network. Best to judge by the second or third episode, once we're more involved with the characters and plots.

[kalorama]

I didn't need to see her fellow agents. I mean, there was another agent who walked in at the doctor's basement lab or her assistant could have given her info that was found out from other investigations.

Like I said. It was compounded by the fact that an agent who he wanted out of his hair was getting access like he had full confidence in her investigation.

She didn't need his confidence to get access. She had her own FBI clearance to get most of the things she got. And it could well have been that she wasn't given any information from other investigations because there was none to give. Remember, she was the one who was actually on the right track, so what would the agents who were on the wrong tracks have to tell her?

[Conn Seanery]

Like I said. It was compounded by the fact that an agent who he wanted out of his hair was getting access like he had full confidence in her investigation.
But that access wasn't a fluke, was it? John implied (before he died) that it wasn't trivial that she was assigned on what, at the time, seemed like a dead end. If she was set up to follow that lead, someone or something higher up is trying to stir the pot and expose the people behind all this fringe science gone awry. Perhaps Broyles, being involved with this movement, was reluctant to have Olivia assigned to his team (for personal reasons) but had to grudgingly accept (once she got the results that she did) that she was right for the job he was about to (instructed to?) offer her.

[AlistairCrane]

I think some people are just uncomfortable with a sci fi series with a female lead.

[West Mantooth]

She didn't need his confidence to get access. She had her own FBI clearance to get most of the things she got. And it could well have been that she wasn't given any information from other investigations because there was none to give. Remember, she was the one who was actually on the right track, so what would the agents who were on the wrong tracks have to tell her?

Access wasn't the problem. Taking a mental patient out of the hospital and giving him is lab back. That's where it lost me.

But that access wasn't a fluke, was it? John implied (before he died) that it wasn't trivial that she was assigned on what, at the time, seemed like a dead end. If she was set up to follow that lead, someone or something higher up is trying to stir the pot and expose the people behind all this fringe science gone awry. Perhaps Broyles, being involved with this movement, was reluctant to have Olivia assigned to his team but had to grudgingly accept (once she got the results that she did) that she was right for the job he was about to (instructed to?) offer her.

In a review I saw, it said the episode was good at the start, coasted through the middle, and got good again at the end.

I thought about the "revelation" in relation to the plot of the episode and it honestly just felt tacked on to me. There was no setup that something about her bosses were weird. THe Mass Dynamics was barely intriguing but I saw the obvious mystery potential.

I think some people are just uncomfortable with a sci fi series with a female lead.

That's insane. Star Trek Voyager sucked because of writing. Threshold was good and shouldn't have been cancelled.

Though I did get annoyed how she was called "Honey" and "Sweetheart". I get it. She's in a man's world.

[Conn Seanery]

Didn't blow me away, but I enjoyed it. Seems to have the potential to be something good if its given the time to develop. The effects were pretty damn cool, that guy's jaw falling off in the cockpit of the plane and John's transparent skin were well done. Can't help but make an X-Files comparison, hopefully Fringe will distance/distinguish itself as it goes along.

[Conn Seanery]

I thought about the "revelation" in relation to the plot of the episode and it honestly just felt tacked on to me. There was no setup that something about her bosses were weird. THe Mass Dynamics was barely intriguing but I saw the obvious mystery potential.
Given the nature of the assignment, setting it up would've been a dead giveaway that there was something bigger going on. I thought it was handled fine.

[kalorama]

Access wasn't the problem. Taking a mental patient out of the hospital and giving him is lab back. That's where it lost me.

She didn't take him out of the hospital, his son did. They set it up pretty clearly that the only visitors he was allowed were immediate family and that only a family member could sign him out of the place. That had nothing to do with her level of clearance or access or Broyles' confidence in her. She basically blackmailed the son into working for her. As for getting the lab back ... Harvard wasn't using the space for anything, and once she waved her FBI badge in their face and said terrorists" and "Patriot Act" they would have held the door open for her. Given the amount of suspension of disbelief a show like this requires going in, I honestly can't she what's got you so hung up about this relatively minor stuff.

Oh well, different strokes, I guess.

The fact that you thought Voyager sucked and liked Threshold pretty clearly indicates we have vastly different tastes.

[Deathstroke]

I was interested enough to want to go back next week.

[xnef1025]

I liked this a lot. Since I watch House anyway, I'll be tuning in again anyway.

The only thing that was really outside plausibility was her getting John moved to the lab. Sure, he was determined to not be contagious at all right away, but hospitals aren't generally going to let a critical patient with a completely unknown agent killing them out the doors without a real fight. However, if you consider that everything from getting sent to the storage warehouse forward was basically Olivia's job interview to join the team investigating the Pattern, it's reasonable to assume that Broyles used his tippy-top-secret connections to get it done.

I like how Pacey gets to be the audience's psuedo-science speak translator for his dad. "He wants to throw you into a rusty tub full of water while you're naked and tripping balls on LSD."

I hope Jean the cow sticks around. An all Jean episode of Fringe would be even better than an all Vincent episode of Lost :biggrin:

[Ugoff]

This show was ok. Anna Torv is ok but I felt this cast didn't have much chemistry together. This show also lacks diversity IMO. The sexism in this episode was just awful and I wonder was it supposed to be so blatant? It was weird seeing Anna's character being called honey and sweetheart to her face and then sitting down to coffee w/Jousha's character all smiles. I felt like they were gonna start making out right then and there! The action scenes were very nice, especially the foot chase near the end. I will keep watching though, this show has potential.

[marty is ruling]

I think some people are just uncomfortable with a sci fi series with a female lead.

I don't think it's that so much as they want their female leads to be a bit more sexually appealing.

By that, the feamle lead isn't allowed to be strong unless she can look sexy or cute doing it. Hence the frowning remarks.

[West Mantooth]

I don't think it's that so much as they want their female leads to be a bit more sexually appealing.

By that, the feamle lead isn't allowed to be strong unless she can look sexy or cute doing it. Hence the frowning remarks.


Actually, the actress just has a droopy face, ie strong frown lines around her mouth.

And I say this as an artist.

Torv is an attractive chick, but I didn't get any real chemistry between the cast.

[Jared]

I thought she was plenty attractive. I also thought she was Kristin Lehman (from Lucky, and some investigative drama on Fox a couple seasons back) for a good chunk of the episode.

I do remember thinking that Josh Jackson must have some set of brass ones to be talking to a freakin' FBI agent like that. Especially one who he believed at the time to have serious leverage on him. It just seemed unrealistic, like it was written by people who totally missed on the last two decades of cultural shifts.

Kalorama...was that really not obvious enough as a joke? I mean, Nazis and child molesters...come on. Do we really need smilies for everything?! I don't want to believe that.

[Infernorhythm]

I enjoyed it.

I mean, yeah, the first half was oddly paced. It seemed like they were trying to cram all this info into the beginning. However, the second half was really good.

I agree, Torv didn't really do much for me, personality wise. I actually liked Joshua Jackson a lot in this. The look he gave the dad when the latter said "In case you don't make it..." sent me into a fit of laughter.

The mysteries and good second half got my attention. The preview looked good, and I'm in for a few more episodes.

[kalorama]

I know it was a joke. But it was a tasteless, unfunny, unnecessary joke. Moreover, it's the kind of joke that tends to reveal more about the joker than the joker really intends. The fact that you think it's okay to call people who disagree with you (esp. on such an insignificant issue as whether Voyager was a good TV show) "scum" and compare them to "nazis and child molesters" says quite a bit about your intolerance for dissent and your inability to properly modulate responses to having your opinions challenged (esp. when it comes in response to a comment that wasn't even directed at you to begin with). The fact that you think it's funny just further underlines the problem.

You may think smiley faces can cover it up. I don't believe that.

[DF2506]

I liked it!

I did think that it was slow at first (well, after the opening sequence I should say. What is it with J.J. and planes anyway? lol), but it did pick up. And I really like the mad scientist character and the main actress. The only one I'm not sold on yet is the mad scientists son. He did have some good lines, but I'm not sure about the character yet.

In any case, interesting first episode. I like the whole conspiracy thing. Looks like a lot of good concepts for the show too. And that last line! :)

Btw, for anyone who cares, the first episode is being re-aired on Sunday and its going to have the first four mintues of the second episode! Plus a 24 movie preview!

Can't wait to see the second episode!

DF2506

[Jared]

I know it was a joke. But it was a tasteless, unfunny, unnecessary joke. Moreover, it's the kind of joke that tends to reveal more about the joker than the joker really intends. The fact that you think it's okay to call people who disagree with you (esp. on such an insignificant issue as whether Voyager was a good TV show) "scum" and compare them to "nazis and child molesters" says quite a bit about your intolerance for dissent and your inability to properly modulate responses to having your opinions challenged (esp. when it comes in response to a comment that wasn't even directed at you to begin with). The fact that you think it's funny just further underlines the problem.

You may think smiley faces can cover it up. I don't believe that.


Okay...I'm just assuming that's all a joke, otherwise I think my brain might explode.

[Atom_basher]

Im gonna go against the grain, and say i loved it. haters be damned

[Blueferret]

Best line of the night "Do you have any Cocaine???"


Walter's awesome!!

[West Mantooth]

Tonight's episode was better. Still not feeling Torv though, but she isn' t horrible either. I'm already getting annoyed how they are using shocking imagery in place of genuinely interesting cases. The mystery around Peter is very interesting though.

And that dream sequence pissed me off. I was happy that she actually confronted the black dude about the question! Yeah, take the situation by the horns. I was actually starting to like the character then poof.

[kalorama]

It this show was made 15 years ago, this probably would have been the pilot episoe. The would have skipped over the long setup and started out with Broyles assembling his team and sending out to fight monsters.

Does anyone else find those floating 3D location signs as annoying as I do?

[West Mantooth]

Does anyone else find those floating 3D location signs as annoying as I do?


Yeah, especially the one attached to the Global Dynamics building.

[Royal]

Massive Dynamics.

[West Mantooth]

Massive. Sorry. What am I thinking about?lol

[Royal]

Yes! The show reminds me about Global Frequency too.

[xnef1025]

Yup, I'm still enjoying this show. The mystery about Peter is pretty transparent. A poster on another forum had the theory last week that he is a clone of Walter(wonder if the name Peter is a comic shoutout by the writers knowing he was going to be a clone), and this week seems to confirm it. Still, should be fun to watch the inevitable meltdown when Peter figures out the truth.

[DonC]

It this show was made 15 years ago


It was. (http://www.tv.com/the-x-files/tooms/episode/511/summary.html)


Although, to be fair, The X-Files stole the idea from the first Kolchak story, The Night Stalker. I don't know if Jeff Rice stole the idea from someone before him as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

[edhopper]

Does anyone else find those floating 3D location signs as annoying as I do?

No, I like them a lot. I loved the one from Baghdad in the pilot where the camera changes and you look up through the letter.

[Typo Lad]

Yup, I'm still enjoying this show. The mystery about Peter is pretty transparent. A poster on another forum had the theory last week that he is a clone of Walter(wonder if the name Peter is a comic shoutout by the writers knowing he was going to be a clone), and this week seems to confirm it. Still, should be fun to watch the inevitable meltdown when Peter figures out the truth.

Aww, someone already posted that? It was so obvious.

I just saw the first episode. It had moments of good punctuated by some real telegraphing ("I love you"... yeah, he's dead.)

I'll give it three episodes before I decide if I like it or not.

[Jared]

I half missed it, what was that shot at the end? Bodies in a morgue?

I'm guessing that Peter will be a Julian Bashir. He was born with a mental disability, but Walter altered his genetics to make him a genius.

Anna Torv really does frown a lot.

Until I read it somewhere, I couldn't figure out where I'd seen Walter before. He was Denethor in ROTK.

[kalorama]

My theory is that the frowning may be a necessary byproduct of the concentration requiredwhile trying to maintain an "American" accent.

[SPAfreak]

Yes! The show reminds me about Global Frequency too.

That pilot, while flawed, was much more entertaining than Fringe has been so far. However I also didn't like the X-Files from the get-go so I'll give this show a few more episodes before I decide if I'm going to chuck it.

Global Dynamics is the name of the corporation on Eureka.

[West Mantooth]

Global Dynamics is the name of the corporation on Eureka.

Yep. That's the show I should have been watching at 8 but totally forgot. But I did manage to catch it.

[Typo Lad]

So... is ever episode going to feature people having sex in a motel?

I'm not complaining, mind you...

[Royal]

Yup, I'm still enjoying this show. The mystery about Peter is pretty transparent. A poster on another forum had the theory last week that he is a clone of Walter(wonder if the name Peter is a comic shoutout by the writers knowing he was going to be a clone), and this week seems to confirm it. Still, should be fun to watch the inevitable meltdown when Peter figures out the truth.

I'm leaning more toward old software in new computer.

[xnef1025]

I'm leaning more toward old software in new computer.
That's a good possbility too since Walter's statement, "You always were stubborn," came off very self referential. So younger self or old backup... it could work either way.

[Ottmeister X]

I liked the first two episodes and am willing to keep watching it. Unfortunately, it's in a bad time slot and I'm starting to sniff a cancellation coming.

[dupont2005]

9pm is a bad time slot for an hour long drama?

[Ryan K]

I liked the first two episodes and am willing to keep watching it. Unfortunately, it's in a bad time slot and I'm starting to sniff a cancellation coming.

Your olfactory senses betray you:

Fox's Fringe came roaring back in the ratings for its second episode Tuesday night, attracting 13.4 million viewers, nearly 50 percent more than the 9.1 million who tuned in to the series premiere a week earlier. Although it had won its time period on September 9, Fox had anticipated a much bigger launch, given its extensive marketing campaign and solid reviews by critics. Pulling in more viewers for the second week, analysts observed, was the season premier of House, which preceded it with 14.4 million viewers. Fox said that the audience jump for the second episode was the biggest for an network series since at least 1991.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119644/news#ni0568832

[Slappy san]

I watched both eps on Fox On Demand. I'm glad I did too.

[kalorama]

Your olfactory senses betray you:

Not necessarily. As the article indicates, the primary reason for the jump in viewership was the holdover from the premiere of House. It remains to be seen whether the House viewers who checked out Fringe for the first time will return for future viewings.

[edhopper]

So last night's episode with the "Ghost network" was interesting. I'm not sure they can keep dangling bits of the conspiracy without giving us some real meat. I still like the Professor and his son, reminds me of the Venture Brothers :-)
Since it's now Wednesday, and I'm the first to write about last night, I would say this show is not capturing the "fan" base like Heroes or Sarah Conner.

[Phrozen]

So last night's episode with the "Ghost network" was interesting. I'm not sure they can keep dangling bits of the conspiracy without giving us some real meat. I still like the Professor and his son, reminds me of the Venture Brothers :-)
Since it's now Wednesday, and I'm the first to write about last night, I would say this show is not capturing the "fan" base like Heroes or Sarah Conner.

It just doesn't catch and hold you like the X-Files did. Pacing is way to slow and the Professor is still the only interesting character.

[jessecuster3]

So I am sure it won't happen, but how cool would it be if JJ Abrams had Lance Reddick be the same character on both shows and that the Lost plane was actually part of the Pattern?

[AlistairCrane]

So I am sure it won't happen, but how cool would it be if JJ Abrams had Lance Reddick be the same character on both shows and that the Lost plane was actually part of the Pattern?

So many people would be upset by that. The Lost mystery shouldn't be connected to another show on another network, especially one that's mediocre compared to Lost.

However, I still think Syndey Bristow should show up to save the day on Fringe or Lost.

Gosh, could you imagine if Felicity is part of the Pattern?!

[Royal]

or The Cloverfield Monster.

[kalorama]

It just doesn't catch and hold you like the X-Files did. Pacing is way to slow and the Professor is still the only interesting character.

That's the show's biggest problem. The supposed lead character is the least interesting person on the show. The professor, the son, the head of Massive Dynamics, hell, even her assistant, Astrid, all have more "pop" onscreen than Olivia.

[LordEd1976]

That's the show's biggest problem. The supposed lead character is the least interesting person on the show. The professor, the son, the head of Massive Dynamics, hell, even her assistant, Astrid, all have more "pop" onscreen than Olivia.

Somebody did tell her last night that she should smile more.

[Bill Thompson]

Another enjoyable episode, each episode is better than the previous one and that's a trend I like. The chemistry is there, the stories are there, this is now must see TV for me.

[Ugoff]

This episode was just ok. It started off very well then became annoying. The last 10 mins were good but I'm just sick of Ana Torv. I like this show but was ready to drop it that night. But I love the genre, so I'm gonna give it a full season and then decide.

[joemagnum611]

Yup, I'm still enjoying this show. The mystery about Peter is pretty transparent. A poster on another forum had the theory last week that he is a clone of Walter(wonder if the name Peter is a comic shoutout by the writers knowing he was going to be a clone), and this week seems to confirm it. Still, should be fun to watch the inevitable meltdown when Peter figures out the truth.

I must have missed any clone references. Where are they?

[Deathstroke]

Here's an interview with actor John Noble (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62235).

[Davideaux]

That was a fairly good episode. I liked the active role John Noble took and the central plot was really compelling. I think what made the episode even better is that the Frowner had a minimal role in the episode.

[Ugoff]

Does anyone know how the show is doing in the ratings? Fringe has definitely grown on me and I'm enjoying it immensely. I hope it is renewed for a 2nd season.

[Ottmeister X]

Does anyone know how the show is doing in the ratings? Fringe has definitely grown on me and I'm enjoying it immensely. I hope it is renewed for a 2nd season.

I don't think the ratings are great, but I heard in some reports that FOX is trying to protect the show, maybe by juggling around the winter-spring TV schedule a little bit. It probably doesn't hurt the House leads into the show.

[Surtur]

I'm loving the show so far, I also hope it doesn't get cancelled.

Last nights episode was great, but what did the teleporter actually do to the scientist? Did it give him powers. or what? You'd think Walter could of mentioned that sooner, then again it's perfectly in character for him not to say anything until it's too late.

I also think Peter is either a clone of Walter, or it's going to be revealed Walter experimented on him as a child..

[jdwrocks]

It's my new favorite show. Almost every character has been developed & become enjoyable, mainly Olivia. The first few episodes she was an insufferable bitch with zero personality but being annoying. Now she's developed into a sympathetic & tough woman. Noew they need to develop Walter's son more. We need to find out more of his shady adult past & also his childhood with Walter.

[The Black Guardian]

This is a fantastic show. Every time they reveal more information, it just opens more questions. And it's so mindblowing that I don't get tired of it.

[jdwrocks]

This is a fantastic show. Every time they reveal more information, it just opens more questions. And it's so mindblowing that I don't get tired of it.
I agree to a point. I do hope that JJ Abrams holds true to his promise that questions will be answred by season's end. Of course that might mean a couple insignificant questions. But I hope it doesn't go the way of "Lost" I dropped that show after 1 season for too many unanswered questions, and it seems I was right for doing that.

[beetlebum]

It just doesn't catch and hold you like the X-Files did. Pacing is way to slow and the Professor is still the only interesting character.

This is so true.

That is the one thing that prevents Fringe from being truly great; it's the fact that the acting, particularly by Anna Torv, is so wooden.

She and Josh Jackson just have no 'chemistry', so to speak.

There's just no witty banter between the two of them, like there was between Mulder and Scully.

But other than that, I am enjoying the show. I loved the Ghost Network episode; I've lost count of the amount of times I have re-watched the ep.

[jdwrocks]

This is so true.

That is the one thing that prevents Fringe from being truly great; it's the fact that the acting, particularly by Anna Torv, is so wooden.

She and Josh Jackson just have no 'chemistry', so to speak.

There's just no witty banter between the two of them, like there was between Mulder and Scully.

But other than that, I am enjoying the show. I loved the Ghost Network episode; I've lost count of the amount of times I have re-watched the ep.
I think Anna Torv has gotten better by a large sum lately. And I think it was more due to the Olivia character than her acting. Don't u think Olivia has become a way more interesting & likeable character the last few episodes?

[Treqqor]

I agree to a point. I do hope that JJ Abrams holds true to his promise that questions will be answred by season's end.

Are you kidding? SO many questions were answers (and then new ones given) with the last episode. So many things seem connected now more than ever.

It was a great episode. One of the best episodes of a television series I've seen in a long time. It opens up such a fantastic story possibility, my imagination is so fired up with what was revealed, I really can't speak highly enough of the latest episode and can't WAIT for the rest.

This show has so much potential, and actually seems to be heading somewhere with it!

[Bill Thompson]

This is so true.

That is the one thing that prevents Fringe from being truly great; it's the fact that the acting, particularly by Anna Torv, is so wooden.

She and Josh Jackson just have no 'chemistry', so to speak.

There's just no witty banter between the two of them, like there was between Mulder and Scully.

But other than that, I am enjoying the show. I loved the Ghost Network episode; I've lost count of the amount of times I have re-watched the ep.

I can't disagree enough, I find both the characters on Fringe and the stories to be far more compelling than the X-Files was even at its very best.

[Slappy san]

Fringe isn't as good as The X-Files. It's still good TV though.

[Phil Clark]

I would say that Fringe isn't yet as good as early X-Files, when it was still new and different. But it is WAY WAY WAY better than late X-Files, when it got stupid and Scully had left the show.

[Slappy san]

I disagree. I'm one of the few who wished they'd killed off Mulder and been done with it. I liked Reyes and Doggett.

[Deathstroke]

I've come to the conclusion that Fringe is not a show to watch late at night. The tone of the show is so quiet at times that I've fallen asleep the two times I've tried to watch my tape of last week's episode.

[Robo Ape]

Was bemused that using search on here turned up no already existing thread for this show.

Link (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a154867/fox-hands-fringe-early-renewal.html).

[fireSTRIKE!]

YES!... :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:.. good news indeed... :cool:

[Robo Ape]

YES!... :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:.. good news indeed... :cool:

It has to be one of the best kept secrets this show. Which is a real pity considering how good it's getting.

[Phil Clark]

It can't be that well kept of a secret if it is getting renewed for another season. Someone in large numbers is watching. It may not hurt that it also follows the Performance show of American Idol.

[titanfan]

Yeah, I thought ratings have been pretty good for this show. (Time slot helps for sure)

It is true, it hasn't been able to generate the type of "buzz" like Lost or X-Files yet, but I think that's going to start to change as of the last few episodes. (especially last night's)

[jdwrocks]

Can't wait to see Spock...er, Leonard Nimoy for the season finale.

All in all, I've come to really enjoy this show. Seems like they are trying to wrap up a bunch of the questions in the storyline.

[kalorama]

It can't be that well kept of a secret if it is getting renewed for another season. Someone in large numbers is watching. It may not hurt that it also follows the Performance show of American Idol.

It hurts when Idol runs long and causes my DVR to cut off the last 5 minutes of Fringe.

[Bergman]

It hurts when Idol runs long and causes my DVR to cut off the last 5 minutes of Fringe.

I've had my Tivo set to record an extra ten minutes for the past few weeks.

[kalorama]

I've had my Tivo set to record an extra ten minutes for the past few weeks.

So have I, after I learned the hard way.

[Riddles_McMurphy]

I'm hooked on Fringe. I just started watching it a few months ago. I'm on the episode where they jump started this dead guys brain. I hear it gets really messed up near the end. Did the first season just end?

I also thought that watcher guy looked like a grown up version of the kid from the movie Powder. lol

[The Black Guardian]

The first season will be ending this coming Tuesday (May 12).

[Bergman]

So have I, after I learned the hard way.

It took me 2 weeks to realize this could keep happening, good thing there's Hulu.

[Robo Ape]

Yeah, I thought ratings have been pretty good for this show. (Time slot helps for sure)

It is true, it hasn't been able to generate the type of "buzz" like Lost or X-Files yet, but I think that's going to start to change as of the last few episodes. (especially last night's)

Doesn't it average about 4-4.5 million viewers in the US which is not even half the viewers their other show Lost gets?

[Surtur]

Doesn't it average about 4-4.5 million viewers in the US which is not even half the viewers their other show Lost gets?

What do you mean "their other show" ? Lost isn't on FOX, it's on ABC. Sure it's created by some of the same people, but they're two completely different shows.

Also remember comparing ratings to shows on different networks isn't the best way to determine how good a show is. While 4.5 million viewers would not be a good viewer total for a show like Lost, for a show like Fringe..or shows on other networks like the WB, it would be pretty acceptable. Smallville is one of the highest rated shows on the WB and it doesn't average much more than 4-5 million per episode.

[West Mantooth]

Fringe averages 9-10 million viewers.

How many of those are actual fans versus lazy AI viewers? Don't know. We'll find out in the fall.

[kalorama]

Fringe averages 9-10 million viewers.

How many of those are actual fans versus lazy AI viewers? Don't know. We'll find out in the fall.

Some of them may have started out as lazy Idol fans, but if they've stuck with it this long, they're likely getting some enjoyment out of it. TV viewers are creatures of habit. Even if the network moves it, a fair number of people will follow simply because it's familiar and they've gotten used to it.

[Blueferret]

So have I, after I learned the hard way.

Count me in that group as well. Stupid Idol!!!!!!!!:mad:

[fireSTRIKE!]

GREAT season finale...

wonderful Leonard Nimoy end-teaser guest-star...

Agent Olivia Dunham in the alternate reality...

and since Peter Bishop is dead, does that mean that the alternate reality's Peter Bishop been living here on real Earth with Walter since he was a baby?...

I can't WAIT for this fall when Fringe returns... and it HAS been renewed...

[LordEd1976]

GREAT season finale...

wonderful Leonard Nimoy end-teaser guest-star...

Agent Olivia Dunham in the alternate reality...

and since Peter Bishop is dead, does that mean that the alternate reality's Peter Bishop been living here on real Earth with Walter since he was a baby?...

I can't WAIT for this fall when Fringe returns... and it HAS been renewed...

I kinda wish they hadn't talked so much about Nimoy's appearance before hand. The moment would have been much cooler had we been surprised.

Chances are Peter does come from the alternate reality.

[xnef1025]

I kinda wish they hadn't talked so much about Nimoy's appearance before hand. The moment would have been much cooler had we been surprised.

Chances are Peter does come from the alternate reality.
I thought they were pretty obvious about it. Walter's Peter died from a childhood disease, so Walter ripped a hole between the realities and took another Peter that didn't die. That's why Peter didn't remember the coin, it was never his.

That was a good reveal of the alternate reality. The WTC still standing, but the Statue of Liberty was gone.

[Typo Lad]

Just saw this. So I was wrong about Peter being a Walter clone, and instead he's alternate Peter.

That WTC shot was a bit wrenching.

Still, good finish from a show that started slow.

[Dark Galaxy]

I thought they were pretty obvious about it. Walter's Peter died from a childhood disease, so Walter ripped a hole between the realities and took another Peter that didn't die. That's why Peter didn't remember the coin, it was never his.

That was a good reveal of the alternate reality. The WTC still standing, but the Statue of Liberty was gone.

Was the statue of Liberty gone? I'm pretty sure I saw it there. Now, I have to go search it out.

[Dark Galaxy]

No, the statue looks like it's out there. In this link: Final Shot of Fringe finale (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3IfqL9DOqoo/SgrAuVvkZZI/AAAAAAAAG7U/Z2LcTBdI67U/s1600/twintowers.JPG)

[fireSTRIKE!]

No, the statue looks like it's out there. In this link: Final Shot of Fringe finale (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3IfqL9DOqoo/SgrAuVvkZZI/AAAAAAAAG7U/Z2LcTBdI67U/s1600/twintowers.JPG)

the link doesn't work, DG...

[The Black Guardian]

Yeah, really excellent season finale. Predictable, but still a good story. The statue is there. Wonder what Peter's going to do when he finds out the truth.

[West Mantooth]

Are we sure there are only two alternate Earth. Could there be.... Multiple Earths?

DC is gonna sue!


Anyway, I guess the conflict will be that Bell expects Earth 2 to survive while Walter/Olivia fight to save Earth 1.

[Dark Galaxy]

the link doesn't work, DG...

hopefully this works

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3IfqL9DOqoo/SgrAuVvkZZI/AAAAAAAAG7U/Z2LcTBdI67U/s1600/twintowers.JPG

*edit* nevermind

[kalorama]

Yeah, really excellent season finale. Predictable, but still a good story. The statue is there. Wonder what Peter's going to do when he finds out the truth.

Hopefully they'll explore the ethical/moral implications of kidnapping someone else's kid to keep as your own, even if the person you're kidnapping him from is an alternate version of yourself.

[meethraa]

I've been watching the entire first season this past couple of weeks, and I've grown to like this show very much indeed. Some things seem off, though.

The blatant Watcher "ripoff" is a bit weird, but the gimmick worked pretty well.

William Bell turned out to be a bit of a disappointment. Maybe it'll grow to be an interesting character, but so far simply having Spock play him was very unsatisfying. For a while there (before Nimoy was announced all over the place) I suspected that Bell was the real Walter from "our" reality, but Peter being dead was close enough to make me happy.. One still has to wonder what's up with parallel-reality Walter.

I still don't get how Olivia could travel between realities and physically interact with the people on the other side, while everyone else needed (I assume) some kind of machine. Maybe the experiments gave her the ability to "slide", but not the ability to control it.

Oh, and what's up with John? I never really understood if he's dead, or in a coma, or if it's parallel reality John who's in a coma...

And who were those guys in the incubator at the MD building?


Too many question, dammit!

[Typo Lad]

I don't think Olivia physically transfered universes... I think her mind jumped

[The Black Guardian]

I don't think Olivia physically transfered universes... I think her mind jumped
No. She definitely physically made the trip.

[SensorBoy]

On "Earth-2", evidently, one of the Kennedy's doesn't get assassinated ("former President Kennedy to address UN"), and there is a "new" White House (perhaps implying that it got a suprise visitor on 9/11, instead of the WTC).

[kalorama]

William Bell turned out to be a bit of a disappointment. Maybe it'll grow to be an interesting character, but so far simply having Spock play him was very unsatisfying. For a while there (before Nimoy was announced all over the place) I suspected that Bell was the real Walter from "our" reality, but Peter being dead was close enough to make me happy.. One still has to wonder what's up with parallel-reality Walter.

I'll see your Walter theory and raise you my (obviously now defunct) theory that Nina Sharp was actually Bell.

[Robo Ape]

We have to wait in the UK for another couple of weeks to see the finale as we get to see the double Lost finale instead as their shown on the same night & same satellite channel in the UK.:frown:

[fireSTRIKE!]

On "Earth-2", evidently, one of the Kennedy's doesn't get assassinated ("former President Kennedy to address UN"), and there is a "new" White House (perhaps implying that it got a suprise visitor on 9/11, instead of the WTC).

just ran across a little tidbit that backs up what you said... it turns out that the Obamas are living in the World Trade Center, as it has become the new White House since the original was destroyed from a successful jetliner suicide dive into it... interesting... will be interesting to see what other events have happened in the alternate Fringe universe, as well as the various government power structures there...

[Riddles_McMurphy]

I can't wait for season 2. Dr. Bishop is my favorite, John Nobel does a great job playing super smart/off his rocker.

I wonder if alter-Earth Dr. Bishop will come looking for his son?

[maczero]

I'll see your Walter theory and raise you my (obviously now defunct) theory that Nina Sharp was actually Bell.
Huh? How would that work?
just ran across a little tidbit that backs up what you said... it turns out that the Obamas are living in the World Trade Center, as it has become the new White House since the original was destroyed from a successful jetliner suicide dive into it... interesting... will be interesting to see what other events have happened in the alternate Fringe universe, as well as the various government power structures there...Where did you hear this?

[fireSTRIKE!]

Huh? How would that work?
Where did you hear this?

as I read this a couple of weeks ago, I can't really remember... If I remember correctly, it was in an interview with one of the head honchos from the series, and I THINK the article/interview MAY have been in an issue of TV Guide recently, but don't hold me to that...
but I DO remember that the White House was said to be destroyed and that the Obamas had taken up residence in the Fringe reality's undestroyed World Trade Center... that bit of information is pretty hard to forget...

[Riddles_McMurphy]

as I read this a couple of weeks ago, I can't really remember... If I remember correctly, it was in an interview with one of the head honchos from the series, and I THINK the article/interview MAY have been in an issue of TV Guide recently, but don't hold me to that...
but I DO remember that the White House was said to be destroyed and that the Obamas had taken up residence in the Fringe reality's undestroyed World Trade Center... that bit of information is pretty hard to forget...

If you look close you can read the front page of the New York Post in Bell's officee. It says that...

- there was a speech being given by 'former President Kennedy.
- Wall Street being 'closed for 21 days';
- the Obamas moving into the a new White House.

It was William Bell who was living in the WTC towers, not the Obama's.

[fireSTRIKE!]

If you look close you can read the front page of the New York Post in Bell's officee. It says that...

- there was a speech being given by 'former President Kennedy.
- Wall Street being 'closed for 21 days';
- the Obamas moving into the a new White House.

It was William Bell who was living in the WTC towers, not the Obama's.



I blame the passage of time that I read the article and old age for my faulty memory...

if I got any facts wrong, sorry about that... like I said, don't hold me to certain tidbits...

thanks for the info, Mac...