Uncanny X-Men #500 Review and Spoilers

[Imraith Nimphais]

I read #500 through somewhat hastily a couple of times when I first got it...then read it through at leisure this weekend and I have to say, I was not impressed. For an anniversary issue it fell way low on the "wow" facter scale...for a number of reasons...1. The art...Land's art...his "photo-realist" technique came across stiff and "un-real" and detractracted from much of the storytelling, a lot...I REALLY detest it... And while The Dodson are better, they've never really made much of an impact (with me)...as I've said before, a great deal of my enjoyment comes from reading a book with great art (If I want just great story-telling sans pictures, I read novels)...2. a number of the sub-plot elements seemed "off" vis...Scott's nation-wide "thought-call"...you really WANT to announce to all and sundry (bad/evil mutants included) "Hey, we are here in San Fran, we have a new X-base, come and blow it/us up!"?...not the smartest nor most common sense of strategies. The whole "mutant sanctuary" idea would have been better implemented later on when the X-men have had time to settle in and aclimatise...just because the mayor says its okay does not mean it's alright with the rest of the population...on a segue...wot's the deal with the "dialogue" between the mayor and Angel...are they an item now? The HFCult... really? thugs armed with sticks, commuting via bread-van...really? and...enter Suedo-Magneto, side-kick to the (boring) H.E., in a played out suedo battle which we've seen/read countless times before...not interesting and quite pointless as it seemed THE could have gone about his business (collecting dna/stool samples or wot-ever) with the "sleeping gold giant statue" with out the X-men knowing anything beacuse they were at a party, milling and sieving with the humans...he really did not need a diversion...and if it was just to test the "power suit" well, I hate to break it to them but, they failed...miserably...3. While I've gotten somewhat used to Brubaker's "style" the writing/dialogue felt clumsy and un-natural at certain points..."magnificent flying woman"?...it sounds like either B. or F. were having a private joke at the expense of those die-hard Claremont fans...this, coupled with the inconsistent art, as a whole, made for a very disjointed story. Over all, not much of an x-citing intro to the new status quo...hopefully the pay-off would be great but (given B's record on previous arcs) I wont be expecting much of a bang...I'm giving this until december (issue 505?) and if my interest has not been sufficiently piqued?...well it seems like a good time as any for this x-fan of very long standing, to say good bye to the Uncanny X-men.

[Pixie_Solanas]

You can't be serious? No story? Did you bother reading this issue? If you did, you can't say, with any hope of proving yourself as a somewhat intelligent being, that there wasn't any story in this. It was overloaded with plot.

What plot? It was all 100% setup. Most of it completely out of character, and just a bunch of half-cocked ideas that went NOWHERE.

Yeah, but I freakin' LOVED paying 3.99 to hear about the god darn green hq that they were creaming themselves over. Wow. That has to go in the annals of worst x-dialogue ever.

[tetragene]

What plot? It was all 100% setup. Most of it completely out of character, and just a bunch of half-cocked ideas that went NOWHERE.

set-up won't go anywhere in one issue. That's the point of setting it up. I'm not going to bring up the name and be accused of intentionally baiting or anything--but what did you readers do when another certain writer was on the book, would set-up a plot and then not finish/resolve it for almost 2 years--if even then? I thik too many of you are focusing on the fact that it is a #500 issue. I don't think half of you would be pleased unless this #500 issue was the final/climax of a 6-part arc. It was set-up--it was meant to set-up the new status quo (which AXM did not do--it was treated like they were already situated where they were and that was that)--it did EXACTLY that--set-up new status quo/future stories.

Yeah, but I freakin' LOVED paying 3.99 to hear about the god darn green hq that they were creaming themselves over. Wow. That has to go in the annals of worst x-dialogue ever.

build a bridge--and get over it. It was THREE freakin' panels--all by Beast. WTF is so "out of character" and "pro-green proaganda shoved down our throats" about it?

[Pixie_Solanas]

build a bridge--and get over it. It was THREE freakin' panels--all by Beast. WTF is so "out of character" and "pro-green proaganda shoved down our throats" about it?

It's written by a bunch of midwestern hicks on how they think San Franciscans should act and think. Frankly, it's nauseating. Pick another city if you've got no clue about this town.

And Emma decryinyg the loss of a Prius? Absolutely cringe-worthy.

You may feel ok with wasting a centennial issue on nothing but a potential Pixie beatdown by a gang of Brooks Brothers-clad thugs from the hardscrabble side of Stanford U., but I expect a bit of a better read than that.

[Swashbuckler]

Forget Uncanny 500, lets all discuss Feral's triangle pasties in the Dirty Deeds with Feral thread!

[jarrod]

My main issue is that the San Fran setup itself felt tepid, unnatural and was done way better already in Astonishing 25. Setup for the other plots barely gave us anything to dig into either, though I did like Blob's bit.

Also, looking at Bru's Uncanny track record, the "set up issue" tends to be his strong point (with it generally going slowly downhill from there), which is worrying too. Bruction really needs to start pulling it out here...

[darknessatnoon]

My main issue is that the San Fran setup itself felt tepid, unnatural and was done way better already in Astonishing 25. Setup for the other plots barely gave us anything to dig into either, though I did like Blob's bit.

Also, looking at Bru's Uncanny track record, the "set up issue" tends to be his strong point (with it generally going slowly downhill from there), which is worrying too. Bruction really needs to start pulling it out here...

Better in Astonishing 25? Are you kidding me?! The SFPD nonsense? The silliness about the X-Mobile? The non-stop 'dialogue.' I'm already feeling that Ellis needs to be put out to pasture. Give Astonishing to Loeb at this point for all I care. That title has been a train-wreck.

[frog]

Better in Astonishing 25? Are you kidding me?! The SFPD nonsense? The silliness about the X-Mobile? The non-stop 'dialogue.' I'm already feeling that Ellis needs to be put out to pasture. Give Astonishing to Loeb at this point for all I care. That title has been a train-wreck.

Dear darkness, no more gin for you.

[Swashbuckler]

Astonishing is a gem Dn@N. In fact, it's such a great book that it can't even come out 4 months in a row. Now we get Astonishing Ghost Box between the wait. :redface:

[Swashbuckler]

Dear darkness, no more gin for you.

Dear frog, no more house-flys for you!

[frog]

Dear frog, no more house-flys for you!

Dear Swashbuckler, this frog dines on chocolate cake and white zinfindel. I only have house flies if they've drowned in the third glass.

[jarrod]

Better in Astonishing 25? Are you kidding me?! The SFPD nonsense? The silliness about the X-Mobile? The non-stop 'dialogue.' I'm already feeling that Ellis needs to be put out to pasture. Give Astonishing to Loeb at this point for all I care. That title has been a train-wreck.
Ellis nailed the dialogue, even if it was cutsied up to Whedonian levels. Still, I'd take Ellis' sappy Emma over Brubaker's sappy Emma any day. Uncanny's dialog's been embarrassing since Bendis hoodwinked him into the job.

[Swashbuckler]

Dear Swashbuckler, this frog dines on chocolate cake and white zinfindel. I only have house flies if they've drowned in the third glass.

*hands frog a wine opener* lets hop to it babe.

[jarrod]

Astonishing is a gem Dn@N. In fact, it's such a great book that it can't even come out 4 months in a row. Now we get Astonishing Ghost Box between the wait. :redface:
We get Alan Davis instead of Bianchi too. Nothing wrong with trading up.


I just wish Kurt was in Astonishing too. :frown:

[darknessatnoon]

Ellis nailed the dialogue, even if it was cutsied up to Whedonian levels. Still, I'd take Ellis' sappy Emma over Brubaker's sappy Emma any day. Uncanny's dialog's been embarrassing since Bendis hoodwinked him into the job.

He nailed it? You confuse the hell out of me. They all sounded exactly the same, like Pete Wisdom c. 1995! As all Ellis characters do. Always.

And Emma didn't seem at all sappy in issue 500.

[frog]

Emma bemoaned the loss of a hybrid. Now a Lexus or a Rolls Royce I could see, but a hybrid?

[jarrod]

He nailed it? You confuse the hell out of me. They all sounded exactly the same, like Pete Wisdom c. 1995! As all Ellis characters do. Always.

And Emma didn't seem at all sappy in issue 500.
Sorry, I was referring to Emma in the arc before that. When she and Shanna were playing girl talk.

Anyway, we can settle this like gentlemen; I've made a poll.

[Swashbuckler]

I think the main problem people have with #500 is that it served too much as an anniversary. Stuff happened, little stuff, scattered to create new stories. It didn't feature EVERY character prominently. It didn't wrap up a bunch of old plots. It's a spring board for new readers. A new reader could read #500 and enjoy what comes next. People had different expectations for the book, and the ones who don't like it are those who feel that not enough happened or felt people were out of character. I didn't feel either of these things.

[Imraith Nimphais]

She just acted sappy which is a little worse...draping herself all over him, every chance she got...and probably groping him too (below pannel).

[Imraith Nimphais]

I think the main problem people have with #500 is that it served too much as an anniversary. Stuff happened, little stuff, scattered to create new stories. It didn't feature EVERY character prominently. It didn't wrap up a bunch of old plots. It's a spring board for new readers. A new reader could read #500 and enjoy what comes next. People had different expectations for the book, and the ones who don't like it are those who feel that not enough happened or felt people were out of character. I didn't feel either of these things.

A lot happened, yes. A lot of sensible stuff? No.

[Swashbuckler]

A lot happened, yes. A lot of sensible stuff? No.

I agree some of it was a little out there. And I did not like the fact that Cyclops "announced" to everyone that they were there. How the hell can Emma do that? My only other complaint was the it was once again Emma and Scott to the max. I really want to see some other characters shine. But that's coming, I know, so I look foward to it. All the plots dropped will be picked up, I am confident, and they will spiral into a large cohesive beautiful DNA strand. I don't think it's fair to say, "This sucked because what went on made no sense to me!" It will make sense.

[Imraith Nimphais]

For your sake I do hope you are correct...but I keep remembering RAFOTSE, and the "hippy" issues...and how those started, and ended.

[Swashbuckler]

For your sake I do hope you are correct...but I keep remembering RAFOTSE, and the "hippy" issues...and how those started, and ended.

RAFOTSE was TOO long. I agree taht the middle issues were so boring. The Hippie arc to me was filler, and it seemed Bru knew that. He didn't really pace it well. That one would have worked better as two arcs, two whole issue of San Fran and two whole issues of Wolverine Nightcrawler Colossus, instead of splitting it.

[LawGiver]

What plot? It was all 100% setup. Most of it completely out of character, and just a bunch of half-cocked ideas that went NOWHERE.

Yeah, but I freakin' LOVED paying 3.99 to hear about the god darn green hq that they were creaming themselves over. Wow. That has to go in the annals of worst x-dialogue ever.

Just going to completely disagree, I thought it was a fantastic issue.

For your sake I do hope you are correct...but I keep remembering RAFOTSE, and the "hippy" issues...and how those started, and ended.

Loved both those arcs.

[jarrod]

RAFOTSE was TOO long. I agree taht the middle issues were so boring. The Hippie arc to me was filler, and it seemed Bru knew that. He didn't really pace it well. That one would have worked better as two arcs, two whole issue of San Fran and two whole issues of Wolverine Nightcrawler Colossus, instead of splitting it.
The end of RAFTOSE was abrupt, confused and unsatisfying. It was really just badly structured all around, and probably should've been slimmed down to a six month arc.

The Hippie arc was a waste, though Russia was fun. Extremists was still Brubaker's best arc imo, and even that had pacing issues.

[Red_Skull]

I have fallen behind on x-men comics i was wonderin the guy in this issue Simon Trask the guy in the white suit is he new or has he been seen before if yes were.

[Pro]

I think the main problem people have with #500 is that it served too much as an anniversary.

I think the main problem with the books period is that ever since M-day they've all been setup for an eventual repowerment that will likely not be coming any time soon, if ever. "Waiting for repowerment" is not a long term theme for a franchise, it's a plotline and it's a plotline that keeps dangling but never gets resolved.

The problem with #500 is that it is clearly a list of "cool stuff" editors wanted to see happen in an anniversary issue to remind people of the very first x-men comics and then the writers had to come up with some way to make it into a story that would just be more setup for more "waiting for repowerment".

Hardly the strongest plot foundation.

[Pro]

I have fallen behind on x-men comics i was wondering the guy in this issue Simon Trask the guy in the white suit is he new or has he been seen before if yes were.

The trask family is known for the development of the sentinels.

[Red_Skull]

The trask family is known for the development of the sentinels.

Thats right i forgot about that the Trask family did develop the sentinels. I wonder whats up with this Simon Trask i wonder if he's a mutant or a highly advance sentinel regardless he looks cool.

[darknessatnoon]

I agree some of it was a little out there. And I did not like the fact that Cyclops "announced" to everyone that they were there. How the hell can Emma do that?

Emma has a wi-fi connection to Cerebra.

[Deus ex Chris]

So I read the issue again and managed to enjoy it again. Something I noticed this time that I didn't before is that Blob seemed to be with Magneto and the High Evolutionary in the ship. It should be interesting to see him have a role in Uncanny X-Men again. When was the last time he did anyway?

[$5 Milkshake]

So I read the issue again and managed to enjoy it again. Something I noticed this time that I didn't before is that Blob seemed to be with Magneto and the High Evolutionary in the ship. It should be interesting to see him have a role in Uncanny X-Men again. When was the last time he did anyway?

You wondering when the last time Blob APPEARED? Or the last time he was in Uncanny?

If it's the former, I think the last anybody saw him was in X-Factor, looking all saggy.

[La Fea]

Blob was last in Uncanny during X-Corps, yeah???

If so, then yeah its been a good while for the OG Fatboy.

[DeadXMan]

Blob was last in Uncanny during X-Corps, yeah???

If so, then yeah its been a good while for the OG Fatboy.

new mutants was the last time he was powered in the 616 after that M-happen and was shwon depowered in The Gen M mini, and X-factor

[Deus ex Chris]

I meant the last time he'd been in Uncanny X-Men--like I said. LOL

La Mia answered my question, though, and I'd forgotten about that!

[Brett P]

Blob is repowered?! Or? Damn my delivery needs to hurry up!

[Novaya Havoc]

Blob is repowered?! Or? Damn my delivery needs to hurry up!

No. He is now a Japanese weight loss guru. :D

[$5 Milkshake]

No. He is now a Japanese weight loss guru. :D

M Day really effed with some characters. It even turned some of them Japanese!

[Brett P]

No. He is now a Japanese weight loss guru. :D

...huh? :confused:

[darknessatnoon]

...huh? :confused:

What he said.

Blob is big in Japan.

[DeadXMan]

I know from being a mercenary in X-factor to that.

WE need a blob mini

[Brett P]

What the hell? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

"Hey everyone, wanna get thin? All ya need to do is get a crazy-ass mutant witch to have a breakdown and cast a spell on you!"

Who would have thought that things could carry on getting WORSE for characters after Decimation...between this and New Warriors, they may as well just have killed them.

[DeadXMan]

What the hell? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

"Hey everyone, wanna get thin? All ya need to do is get a crazy-ass mutant witch to have a breakdown and cast a spell on you!"

Who would have thought that things could carry on getting WORSE for characters after Decimation...between this and New Warriors, they may as well just have killed them.

to be fair he didn't lose his weight after M-day. it caused him to be 400 lb man with all the problems that came with it.

[Brett P]

to be fair he didn't lose his weight after M-day. it caused him to be 400 lb man with all the problems that came with it.

That's not what was shown in Generation M or X-Factor...he DID lose his weight...and was left with all the excess skin flapping and sagging everywhere.

[DeadXMan]

he weight liertaly a ton
he also had high blood presure and diebeties

he got his act together

[Optic Rage!]

Ok seriously

Who actually gives a fuck about Blob?

I mean SERIOUSLY???? ITS FUCKING BLOB!

[Brett P]

Regardless of the specifics of his Decimation...the unmoveable Blob is now a WEIGHT LOSS GURU in Japan. What a great character he has become! Truly inspired and genius! I can't wait to read his next appearance and I totally wouldn't have preferred a repowering by any means!

Seriously, Decimation has really FECKED some characters over.

Ok seriously

Who actually gives a fuck about Blob?

I mean SERIOUSLY???? ITS FUCKING BLOB!

Ugh you're not the boss! And stop swearing!

Blobs' cool and he's an important part of the X-Mythos.

[DeadXMan]

Oh I agree.

And blob kicks ass

[darknessatnoon]

Regardless of the specifics of his Decimation...the unmoveable Blob is now a WEIGHT LOSS GURU in Japan. What a great character he has become! Truly inspired and genius! I can't wait to read his next appearance and I totally wouldn't have preferred a repowering by any means!

Seriously, Decimation has really FECKED some characters over.



Ugh you're not the boss! And stop swearing!

Blobs' cool and he's an important part of the X-Mythos.

Fred Dukes is important. The Blob persona is just a shell, one which he has cast. Read the issue before you judge. I also think that as the Blob, he glorified fatness. As we all know, fat is disgusting. It's important that the editors are encouraging fans to get some exercise.

[Deus ex Chris]

Regardless of the specifics of his Decimation...the unmoveable Blob is now a WEIGHT LOSS GURU in Japan. What a great character he has become! Truly inspired and genius! I can't wait to read his next appearance and I totally wouldn't have preferred a repowering by any means!
There's a certain symmetry to it, which is entirely the point of making him a weight loss guru. Plus, as I mentioned, he was with Magneto and the High Evolutionary, so he may actually be on his way to getting his powers back.

[DeadXMan]

Fred Dukes is important. The Blob persona is just a shell, one which he has cast. Read the issue before you judge. I also think that as the Blob, he glorified fatness. As we all know, fat is disgusting. It's important that the editors are encouraging fans to get some exercise.

Only in America is fat consider ugly

in other nations it is a symbol of your weath

[darknessatnoon]

Only in America is fat consider ugly

in other nations it is a symbol of your weath

Blob is from Texas, so I am missing your point.

[Optic Rage!]

Only in America is fat consider ugly

in other nations it is a symbol of your weath

LMFAO.

Your serious?

[Brett P]

Fred Dukes is important. The Blob persona is just a shell, one which he has cast. Read the issue before you judge. I also think that as the Blob, he glorified fatness. As we all know, fat is disgusting. It's important that the editors are encouraging fans to get some exercise.

I'm sure you're actually being serious but I can't help being hilarified (yeah not a word but what ya gonna do! :tongue:)

I don't actually know much about Fred as a character, I just like the Blob as an X-enemy...another product of TAS...

There's a certain symmetry to it, which is entirely the point of making him a weight loss guru. Plus, as I mentioned, he was with Magneto and the High Evolutionary, so he may actually be on his way to getting his powers back.

Symmetry, shimmetry. If things start to get too serious or real worldy then it's just lost on me, I'm not interested. I just want to see people and attacks bouncing off of his flabdabular belly again! :biggrin:

[Deus ex Chris]

Only in America is fat consider ugly

in other nations it is a symbol of your weath
Which explains why so many people make fun of the fact that the US is the most overweight country in the world.

It isn't a symbol of wealth, unless you live in a third world country.

[darknessatnoon]

There's a certain symmetry to it, which is entirely the point of making him a weight loss guru. Plus, as I mentioned, he was with Magneto and the High Evolutionary, so he may actually be on his way to getting his powers back.

Yikes! Maybe he will oppose them? Why would he want his powers back now that he's been to plastic surgeons and is a hottie? I would like to see a Blob/Magneto conflict.

[DeadXMan]

hell up until the late 40's Plump women were considered sexier then skinny ones

and barrel chested men were considered to be healthier

we're not spoused to look like walking skeletons

[darknessatnoon]

hell up until the late 40's Plump women were considered sexier then skinny ones

and barrel chested men were considered to be healthier

we're not spoused to look like walking skeletons

That's fine. But Blob was not "barrel chested." He was obese. He was so obese that he was a circus freak, not a paragon of steak and eggs manhood.

[steve2275]

What he said.

Blob is big in Japan.

hes turning japanese
i really think so

[Anna]

Now was Blob really a weight loss guru, or was that just a delusion of the guy who was standing near the Dreaming Celestial? That kind of looked like Blob on HE's ship.

[Deus ex Chris]

That kind of looked like Blob on HE's ship.
...

Yeah, we've established that.

[steve2275]

i didnt know till now :tongue:

[Anna]

LMFAO.

Your serious?

Designing Women: They Shoot Fat Women, Don't They?

A former beauty queen (Delta Burke) has put on some pounds, and is totally disrespected at her high school reunion. She's given the prize for "Person Who's Changed The Most." She gives an inspirational speech when accepting.

Later she meets an African orphan who calls her "pretty".

[Deus ex Chris]

i didnt know till now :tongue:
Then you've read all of two posts on this page, since it's been mentioned a few times. That's what this whole discussion stems from. Whatever, though. No big.

[bigtreydawg]

Then you've read all of two posts on this page, since it's been mentioned a few times. That's what this whole discussion stems from. Whatever, though. No big.

Who has the mental fortitude to wade thru 71 pages? I just did that and forgot the point I wanted to make . . . I'll be back in three pages or so.

[Deus ex Chris]

Who has the mental fortitude to wade thru 71 pages? I just did that and forgot the point I wanted to make . . . I'll be back in three pages or so.
It doesn't take mental fortitude to follow this particular discussion, since it started last night. It takes reading thirty-something posts, which isn't difficult. Again, it's not a big deal. I guess I should have used an emoticon or an LOL to indicate that I found the situation humorous. It was just funny that Anna dropped in with "that kind of looked like Blob on HE's ship," when the entire discussion derived from my observation that he was with them.

[Affinity]

wait guys is that BLOB on the high evolutionary's ship!???

[Deus ex Chris]

wait guys is that BLOB on the high evolutionary's ship!???
WUT? WUT? WUT?

[darknessatnoon]

Who has the mental fortitude to wade thru 71 pages? I just did that and forgot the point I wanted to make . . . I'll be back in three pages or so.

Those of us who have been reading X-Men Legacy have easily built up enough stamina to read 71 pages of needless bitching. Try it. That book is like Wheaties for the mind.

[Novaya Havoc]

Those of us who have been reading X-Men Legacy have easily built up enough stamina to read 71 pages of needless bitching. Try it. That book is like Wheaties for the mind.

LOL!

It just rolls off your tongue so easy, si?

[bigtreydawg]

Those of us who have been reading X-Men Legacy have easily built up enough stamina to read 71 pages of needless bitching. Try it. That book is like Wheaties for the mind.

Zing! Seeing Xavier struggle not to be mind-raped for four issues isn't so bad . . . At least there are pretty pictures to go with it.

[LawGiver]

Zing! Seeing Xavier struggle not to be mind-raped for four issues isn't so bad . . . At least there are pretty pictures to go with it.

Except it is not just Xavier who is being mind-raped during these issues.

[MartinRedmond]

The art looked like a fusion between an Italian fotonovela and Polly Pocket, it was to-to-to-totally awful.

[DeadXMan]

Except it is not just Xavier who is being mind-raped during these issues.

Sinister brought mind raping to a new level. and the Mind #%&* he did to gambit was icing on the cake.:cool:

[steve2275]

Who has the mental fortitude to wade thru 71 pages? I just did that and forgot the point I wanted to make . . . I'll be back in three pages or so.
27 for me(40 replies a page)
im trying to figure who drew the better COLOSSUS :wink:

[icarus001]

got my copy this morning and found something interesting (sorry if this has already been brought up in the earlier 71 pages) but the mayor of SF says that Guy acquired 3 Sentinels yet only two were shown as part of the art installation. so whats up with the third one?

[jarrod]

Except it is not just Xavier who is being mind-raped during these issues.
No, there's also those of us who read Novaya's "review". <3 <3

[darknessatnoon]

No, there's also those of us who read Novaya's "review". <3 <3

Translation Enabled: "I take issue with the review, but do not have the critical faculties to disagree cogently in the comments section. passiveaggressive.passiveaggressive"

[LawGiver]

No, there's also those of us who read Novaya's "review". <3 <3

I don't think I have ever enjoyed reading a post of yours.

[Hi-Fi]

Translation Enabled: "I take issue with the review, but do not have the critical faculties to disagree cogently in the comments section. passiveaggressive.passiveaggressive"
What review? That wasn't a review.

Thankfully, there's no Dazzler in X-Men Legacy. So Ben won't have to force himself to read it month after month, like he did with New Excalibur, right? I mean, that would be just odd.

[darknessatnoon]

What review? That wasn't a review.

Thankfully, there's no Dazzler in X-Men Legacy. So Ben won't have to force himself to read it month after month, like he did with New Excalibur, right? I mean, that would be just odd.

Hi-Fi, I, too, become impatient when traffic stops so people can stare at a car-wreck, but even I have to admit that they're compelling to watch. Legacy is a wreck that rivets us every three weeks.

[jarrod]

passiveaggressive.passiveaggressive
Yikes! I don't think the world can take this much irony.

[Hi-Fi]

Hi-Fi, I, too, become impatient when traffic stops so people can stare at a car-wreck, but even I have to admit that they're compelling to watch. Legacy is a wreck that rivets us every three weeks.
That's just stupid. Well, as long as you keep giving your money away in the book's behalf, it's all good. Let's keep showing them we want the wreck to go on!

[darknessatnoon]

That's just stupid. Well, as long as you keep giving your money away in the book's behalf, it's all good. Let's keep showing them we want the wreck to go on!

I'm sorry that you find me so stupid. I promise to try harder to like it next month.

[frog]

I don't have the money to spend on anything I don't like, myself.

[Hi-Fi]

I'm sorry that you find me so stupid. I promise to try harder to like it next month.
I didn't say that at all. But let's not make that fact get in the way of you posting such a funny comment.

[Novaya Havoc]

What review? That wasn't a review.

Thankfully, there's no Dazzler in X-Men Legacy. So Ben won't have to force himself to read it month after month, like he did with New Excalibur, right? I mean, that would be just odd.

Excuse me! That was totally a review! Pshaw.

And we can at least agree on being thankful that Dazzler is not in Legacy.

[jarrod]

I don't think I have ever enjoyed reading a post of yours.
Maybe you noticed the offtopic vitriol I was responding to? Seems like a fair response imo.

[Deus ex Chris]

Soooooo the best part of Uncanny 500 is that Storm was allowed to have an independent thought in this era of Cyclops the Führer.

[Hi-Fi]

Excuse me! That was totally a review! Pshaw.

And we can at least agree on being thankful that Dazzler is not in Legacy.
Definitely! Though I already fear your "review" of Secret Invasion: X-Men.

[LawGiver]

Soooooo the best part about Uncanny 500 is that Storm was allowed to have an independent thought in this era of Cyclops the Führer.

You really just compared Cyclops to Hitler?

[Deus ex Chris]

You really just compared Cyclops to Hitler?
I did. Magneto would agree.

[LawGiver]

I did. Magneto would agree.

I am speechless.

[Deus ex Chris]

I am speechless.
That's OK. I'll talk for you.

[LawGiver]

That's OK. I'll talk for you.

After that last comment I prefer you not too.

[Hi-Fi]

My favorite part of this issue was Pixie and Ben leaving Dazzler's concert.

[Deus ex Chris]

After that last comment I prefer you not too.
I was simply using sensationalism to change the subject. You new people need to walk the line.

[LawGiver]

I was simply using sensationalism to change the subject. You new people need to walk the line.

Oh, I see, humor by comparing him to one of the most evil men in history. I see, irony. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Forgive me for failing to see it.

[Novaya Havoc]

Definitely! Though I already fear your "review" of Secret Invasion: X-Men.

WE SHALL SEE. I am excited for SI: X-Men though. However, if Longshot is mentioned all bets are off.

My favorite part of this issue was Pixie and Ben leaving Dazzler's concert.

!!! <3

Do you really think it was ME? I bet it was Jim McCann. :(

[tetragene]

Please, they obviosuly would have snuck in a "diva sparkles" SOMEWHERE in that dialogue if it was Ben--it's just unavoidable. Random gay guy, me thinks. And image-wise I think it was just some random photo Land had laying around. BUT...that's just my personal opinion! :redface: :tongue:

[jester1436]

Pixie's friend is a representative Dazzler loving homosexual, there's a little bit of him in all of us.

[darknessatnoon]

We'll see. I, for one, am hoping that Pixie's gay survives his bashing and becomes a recurring character.

[tunasammiches]

We'll see. I, for one, am hoping that Pixie's gay survives his bashing and becomes a recurring character.

Why?

Besides, I bet it's really Mystique. Like that one time where she pretended to be the X-Men's highschool principal. And then later when she pretended to be Rogue's British,New Wave gal pal, Misty.

[jarrod]

She also pretended to be Bling!'s love interest. Tease!

[steve2275]

ben who?......

[BigBoss]

After reading joss wedons take on hellfire cult iam a little confused why the hell they are just a bunch of thugs?

[tetragene]

After reading joss wedons take on hellfire cult iam a little confused why the hell they are just a bunch of thugs?

That was the Hellfire Club--which was made up of mutants.

The Hellfire Cult is made up of mutant hating humans

[DeadXMan]

Not all of of the hellfire club was mutants
they allow anyone in their ranks unlike the X-hypocrites of Scott and Emma.

[Slung]

That was the Hellfire Club--which was made up of mutants.

The Hellfire Cult is made up of mutant hating humans

And Joss Whedon's version was all in Emma's psycho little head.

[tetragene]

Not all of of the hellfire club was mutants
they allow anyone in their ranks unlike the X-hypocrites of Scott and Emma.

but he said Whedon's verison--which was made up entirely of "mutants" in (as Slung said) Emma's head/imagination

[Zombie Uatu]

Why?

Because the X-men comic is severely low on it's hag quota. Even Rogue as Northstar's didn't last beyond a few issues. Emma and Beast doesn't count because Beast was just pretending to be gay to get back at Trish. Which she deserved.

[Affinity]

She also pretended to be Bling!'s love interest. Tease!
OH MY GOD I LOVE BLING

and i liked that nasty little ho bag fox, too!

[Gnarl]

Just read the issue, and can't really make may way through 75 pages of thread on it, so forgive me for the stuff that has already been covered.

Good stuff: The X-men move to SF. About time. They've only been thinking about it for almost 300 issues. The bit at the end with Magneto and the High Evolutionary.

Bad stuff: A lot of the Magneto stuff was poor, lazy characterization. For gods sake, why can't they just hire Alara? Not just the characterization but the strategy sucked.
Having Magneto use his money and contacts to obtain a speaking invitation, then make a speech about how tasteless this is would have been better.

You could still have your fight scene where the X-men overreacts to him showing up.

Returning to the good bits, the introduction of the High Evolutionary and the Celestials as more active factors were highly overdue. The first has a strong interest in human evolution, and the second originated mutants. It is a logical place to look.

I also never thought about how close the goals of the Evolutionary and Magneto are. The Evolutionary is just more of a long-term picture guy.

It'll be interesting to see what the Evolutionarys' motivation/need for working with Magneto is. Magnetos motivation is pretty clear. He'd work with anyone to undo M-day.
That was an amusing interplay between them where Magneto shamelessly flatters his partner, buttering him up by talking up his tech.

We remember Magneto casually slapping down the Avengers and X-men at the same time, while reaming Iron Mans suit and using it to take control of the Starktech satelites.

But actually, the dialogue feels as if Magneto is trying to conceal to the Evolutionary just how powerful he really was. Establishing in his mind that a powered Magneto = 1/2 of that suit.

If the Evolutionary falls for it, that'll burn him. But he is well beyond human...does that make him less or more susceptible to such manipulation I wonder?

[LawGiver]

You know Gnarl that is a really good point to make, what if the suit wasn't really that affective and it was just a way for Magneto to seem like he was indebted to the High Evolutionary. That would be a nice about face, make the H.E. think Magneto's powerless and then BAM, double cross at the right time. Interesting.

[Gnarl]

Could be...to me that exchange said that Magneto was trying to make the High Evolutionary underestimate him. A lot. Both scientific skills by gushing over the suit, and his power levels when restored to full function.

And the last bit was really interesting. Because Magneto would not bother with that if he did not think the HE could really repower him. So Magneto believes that he can do it.

Is it also possible that Magneto also underestimates his partner? There is no reason for him to know about the Galactus fight. He may consider him something like a far more competent version of Arnim Zola. Far and away the best geneticist on the planet, with some designer genes giving him respectable mental abilities.

Does Magneto think he'll be in a position to...physically dictate terms to the HE if resored?

[LawGiver]

Could be...to me that exchange said that Magneto was trying to make the High Evolutionary underestimate him. A lot. Both scientific skills by gushing over the suit, and his power levels when restored to full function.

And the last bit was really interesting. Because Magneto would not bother with that if he did not think the HE could really repower him. So Magneto believes that he can do it.

Is it also possible that Magneto also underestimates his partner? There is no reason for him to know about the Galactus fight. He may consider him something like a far more competent version of Arnim Zola. Far and away the best geneticist on the planet, with some designer genes giving him respectable mental abilities.

Does Magneto think he'll be in a position to...physically dictate terms to the HE if resored?

Yea, the tone I picked up in that last conversation between them did feel off, it almost felt like he was mocking the suit a bit.

[Bamf25]

I am willing to bet the High Evolutionary will repower Magneto for real at some point.

[LawGiver]

This was brought up in another thread and I think it might answer the question as to WHAT could get the High Evolutionary to change his mind and WHY Magneto is working with him: The Diaries that Skids gave him at the end of Extremis arc. The Diaries that were written by the Morlock Qwerty could have held some clues to how they can restart the mutant gene, Magneto obviously read them, it wouldn't be something he would set on the back of a toliet and read at his own liking. He probably saw something in there and went to the H.E. It explains WHY he is working WITH the High Evolutionary and it also helps to explain WHAT changed the Evolutionary's mind.

EDIT: The interview with Matt Fraction that just got posted tells us that it was Magneto who approached the High Evolutionary with a proposal.

[Anna]

According to The Sacred Book Of QWERTY; Our Lord is still a mutant. Perhaps The Holy Book has guided Him to walk the path He has taken.

[worstblogever]

According to The Sacred Book Of QWERTY; Our Lord is still a mutant. Perhaps The Holy Book has guided Him to walk the path He has taken.

Qwerty's version of "still is" could mean "how to unlock it" again.

She was rather mad, but shown to be reasonably accurate. Less mad than say, Blindfold, but more accurate than say, Destiny.

[DeadXMan]

Qwerty's version of "still is" could mean "how to unlock it" again.

She was rather mad, but shown to be reasonably accurate. Less mad than say, Blindfold, but more accurate than say, Destiny.

so was Noha and look was he did.

[worstblogever]

so was Noha and look was he did.

I'm sorry... who?

[Congo Jack]

Mine just arrived today - wow, this book was awful. Since I'm sure everything has already been covered, I'll just add that the panel with Angel, Beast and Emma all screaming has to be one of the worst bits of 'over-acting' I've ever seen in a comic. I've never bought a Greg Land comic before, and if possible, I never will again.

I liked the Alex Ross cover and Beast's dialogue in this one; that really is the only positive I can take. I was really hopeful that the book would get good after one of my new favourite writers tooks over but it seems from this issue at least that Fraction is just as bad a fit as Brubaker for the X-Men. Good bye UNCANNY X-MEN.

[DeadXMan]

I'm sorry... who?

Noah

Got drunk built a boat miles from water. People called him crazy but he had the last laugh.

the reason why the spell check didn't catch it:

from wiki:
Noha (Arabic: نوحہ) is a genre of Arabic, Persian, or Urdu prose depicting the martyrdom of Imam Hussein. Strictly speaking noha is the sub-parts of Marsia. Nohas are usually poetry expressing the sorrow felt by Shia Muslims for their leader and his family's murders at the Battle of Karbala in the year 680 CE.

"Noha" is also an Arabic name sometimes meaning the mind, and beauty. It is mentioned in the Quran several times.

More common, in Arabic, it is the plural of brains, or "wisdom". It can also be a name for someone.

[Pixie_Solanas]

So I finally got my hands on X-men #400, and yes, Stacey X's demented ramblings were a helluva lot more interesting that whatever passed for a story in #500.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Mine just arrived today - wow, this book was awful. Since I'm sure everything has already been covered, I'll just add that the panel with Angel, Beast and Emma all screaming has to be one of the worst bits of 'over-acting' I've ever seen in a comic. I've never bought a Greg Land comic before, and if possible, I never will again.

I liked the Alex Ross cover and Beast's dialogue in this one; that really is the only positive I can take. I was really hopeful that the book would get good after one of my new favourite writers tooks over but it seems from this issue at least that Fraction is just as bad a fit as Brubaker for the X-Men. Good bye UNCANNY X-MEN.

Brother, you're not alone in this. I have a feeling that Uncanny is gonna blow hard for the foreseeable future.

[LawGiver]

Brother, you're not alone in this. I have a feeling that Uncanny is gonna blow hard for the foreseeable future.

Guess you can't please everyone.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Brother, you're not alone in this. I have a feeling that Uncanny is gonna blow hard for the foreseeable future.

...and not in a way that brings maximum joy, either.:frown:

[JubileeFan]

I know I'm late on this, but I just read it. Why does Cyclops say "Suck it!"??? I mean really.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Brother, you're not alone in this. I have a feeling that Uncanny is gonna blow hard for the foreseeable future.

How right I was. I'm a modern day nostradamus.

[worstblogever]

I know I'm late on this, but I just read it. Why does Cyclops say "Suck it!"??? I mean really.

Because he's been spending too much time in the bedroom with Emma Frost, so it's like a reflex now.

[Monty_Cristo]

Just read the issue, and can't really make may way through 75 pages of thread on it, so forgive me for the stuff that has already been covered.

Good stuff: The X-men move to SF. About time. They've only been thinking about it for almost 300 issues. The bit at the end with Magneto and the High Evolutionary.

Bad stuff: A lot of the Magneto stuff was poor, lazy characterization. For gods sake, why can't they just hire Alara? Not just the characterization but the strategy sucked.
Having Magneto use his money and contacts to obtain a speaking invitation, then make a speech about how tasteless this is would have been better.

You could still have your fight scene where the X-men overreacts to him showing up.

Returning to the good bits, the introduction of the High Evolutionary and the Celestials as more active factors were highly overdue. The first has a strong interest in human evolution, and the second originated mutants. It is a logical place to look.

I also never thought about how close the goals of the Evolutionary and Magneto are. The Evolutionary is just more of a long-term picture guy.

It'll be interesting to see what the Evolutionarys' motivation/need for working with Magneto is. Magnetos motivation is pretty clear. He'd work with anyone to undo M-day.
That was an amusing interplay between them where Magneto shamelessly flatters his partner, buttering him up by talking up his tech.

We remember Magneto casually slapping down the Avengers and X-men at the same time, while reaming Iron Mans suit and using it to take control of the Starktech satelites.

But actually, the dialogue feels as if Magneto is trying to conceal to the Evolutionary just how powerful he really was. Establishing in his mind that a powered Magneto = 1/2 of that suit.

If the Evolutionary falls for it, that'll burn him. But he is well beyond human...does that make him less or more susceptible to such manipulation I wonder?

see the Quicksilver series for how easily the Evolutionary can be duped (by Manbeast and Exodus).

[DeadXMan]

Hell, see what happens after the twelve saga

Sinister got him to turn off all the mutant powers.

[JubileeFan]

So does Cyclops really talk like a pro wrestler now? I haven't read a non-Astonishing book in a while until very recently and I don't want to continue after Uncanny 500 if this is common now.

[Anna]

I know I'm late on this, but I just read it. Why does Cyclops say "Suck it!"??? I mean really.

So does Cyclops really talk like a pro wrestler now? I haven't read a non-Astonishing book in a while until very recently and I don't want to continue after Uncanny 500 if this is common now.

At least he's not doing crotch chops.....


...Yet. :biggrin:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So does Cyclops really talk like a pro wrestler now?

No. He did drop the F-bomb in AXM, but... no.

I haven't read a non-Astonishing book in a while until very recently and I don't want to continue after Uncanny 500 if this is common now.

The occasional bad dialogue should be the least of your worries with the x-books right now.

[Pixie_Solanas]

At least he's not doing crotch chops.....


...Yet. :biggrin:

Actually, i'd be uber-pleased if he did.

[steve2275]

im sure scott will ask emma
are you ready
I SAID ARE YOU READY
:tongue: