Dirty Deeds w/ Pyro!

[worstblogever]

Dirty Deeds!

"Dirty Deeds" is a new series of threads where a discussion can be held about the morally questionable, or outright evil acts of characters in comics. It might be a discussion about times a hero crossed a moral line they shouldn't have, or a discussion of a villain's most horrific acts in their history, but the premise remains the same.

Where possible, a poll will be included to vote upon said character's "dirtiest deed".

Previous Dirty Deeds Features:
#1- Dark Beast (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=7127725#post7127725)
#2- Mastermind (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7146655)
#3- Colossus (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=229287)
#4- Donald Pierce (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=229784)
#5- Feral (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=230381&page=5)
Please do remember that there are no wrong answers, this is all a matter of opinion. Since everyone has a different set of morals, please try and respect differences in people's own beliefs.

For our sixth profile, I opted to go with a guy whose mutant power harnessed one of the primordial forces of nature, and left the smell of smoke, fire, and sometimes even burning flesh in his wake... This edition of Dirty Deeds is with...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Pyro_(St._John_Allerdyce).png

St. John Allerdyce...
PYRO!!!

So what is Pyro's Dirtiest Deed?

- Participating in the assassination attempt by Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants on Senator Kelly by providing the distraction while Destiny went to shoot him? (Uncanny X-Men #141-142)

- Sending a fire demon he created after U.S. Army troops, bragging, "I hope they have pensions, their families will need 'em!" (Uncanny X-Men #142)

- Ambushing Colossus with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, superheating him so that Avalanche could destroy a liquid nitrogen truck near him and actually crack through his armored metal body, grievously injuring him? (Uncanny X-Men #177)

- Distracting the X-Men with the rest of the Brotherhood so Mystique could attempt to assassinate Professor X? (Uncanny X-Men #177-178)

- On his first job with Freedom Force, attempting to arrest a repentant Magneto, effectively turning traitor to mutant freedom? (Uncanny X-Men #199)

- Attacking a powerless Storm with one of his fire birds (she was only saved by Rachel Summers in the nick of time) (Uncanny X-Men #206)

- Chasing down Rusty Collins and Skids to arrest them, even using flames created by Rusty's pyrokinesis to attack the members 0f X-Factor and nearly burning bystanders? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #8-9)

- On the orders of Henry Peter Gyrich, arresting the Avengers for treason they didn't commit and trying to throw them in the Vault? (Avengers Annual #15)

- Stealing the flame from Crimson Commando's lighter, to purposely deny him his nicotine fit? (Uncanny X-Men #223)

- Trying to force the X-Men to register with the Mutant Registration Act, and capturing Rogue and Dazzler at Forge's Eagle Plaza? (Uncanny X-Men #225)

- Attacks Cannonball and the New Mutants, a group of minors? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #65

- While Jean Grey and Cyclops are mourning what they think are the deaths of the X-Men, including Cyclops' wife Maddie at Eagle Plaza, Pyro shows up and rubs it in, mocking them about it while trying to get them to register with the Mutant Registration Act? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #30-31)

- After Inferno, Pyro and the members of Freedom Force "rescue" all the children kidnapped by the demons during "Inferno", and promise to return them to their parents, but actually give them all to the government to be researched? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #40)

- Trying to arrest Rusty Collins a second time, risking attacking him near national landmarks on Liberty Island? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #78, 80)

- Arresting Rusty Collins a third time, despite the fact that he only escaped from the Vault with Skids in order to capture the Vulture, whom he saw break out first? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #86)

- Attempting to arrest Cable, assaulting him in the process, without a warrant or justification? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #89)

- In the line of duty, injuring Firestar's father so badly that he needed a replacement lung? (Marvel Comics Presents (vol. 1) #84)

- Killing Reinhold Kurtzmann, roasting him alive, when he ceased to believe he could bring him back into U.S. custody in one piece, rather than let his scientific expertise fall in the hands of the Iraqis? (Uncanny X-Men Annual #15)

- Burning Veil alive! (X-Factor Annual (vol. 1) #6)

- Ambushing X-Force in their home base as a part of Toad's Brotherhood? (X-Force (vol. 1) #6-7)

- Losing control over his powers due to the Legacy Virus, and burning down a church? (Uncanny X-Men #338)

- Providing a distraction so Mystique could kill Graydon Creed? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #129-130)

- Tricking Cecilia Reyes into releasing his patient restraints while he was in her hospital, then escaping after betraying her trust, leading to her being fired by her medical chief of staff? (Uncanny X-Men #351)

- Capturing and torturing the Knights of Wundagore on behalf of Exodus and the Acolytes in exchange for a chance to use Isotope E as a means of curing him of the Legacy Virus? (Quicksilver #6-9)

- Burning hundreds of acres of privately owned cornfield while fleeing from the sentient Cerebro, with his powers out of control? (Uncanny X-Men #362)

- Burning alive the villain Post, who was attempting to assassinate Senator Kelly? (Cable (vol. 2) #87)



And there you have it. A few years as a member of the Brotherhood, and several as a mercenary with Freedom Force, before ending up a panicked walking inferno because of the Legacy Virus. That's the dastardly offerings of Pyro, so vote for what you think is the worst of his Dirty Deeds!
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[Quinnhop]

He touched my Cable?!

Fucker got what he deserved.

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/p/g/2/xmen18b.jpg

*vommit*

[worstblogever]

He touched my Cable?!

Fucker got what he deserved.

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/p/g/2/xmen18b.jpg

*vommit*

Punched him in the face, and bloodied his nose, in fact, during the arrest attempt.

[Sunbird]

I always liked Pyro, because there frankly aren't enough good Aussie mutants. (especially now that Gateway is dead). And to be fair, wasn't Rusty a naval deserter, not a child, and when he burned the church it was by accident, he was very sick and attempting to a) warn the X-Men and b) go to last confession (like a good Catholic boy).

I was sad he died, but he died redeemed.

[worstblogever]

I always liked Pyro, because there frankly aren't enough good Aussie mutants. (especially now that Gateway is dead). And to be fair, wasn't Rusty a naval deserter, not a child, and when he burned the church it was by accident, he was very sick and attempting to a) warn the X-Men and b) go to last confession (like a good Catholic boy).

I was sad he died, but he died redeemed.

Rusty was actually wanted for several things, among them that he horribly burned Emma LaPorte when losing control of his pyrokinetic powers.

Correct on the church being an accident. Makes a great case for it not being his worst act, since he didn't mean to do it. I still threw it on there, if anyone wanted to vote for it, and the blasphemous connotation. But with murder, accessory to murder, kidnapping, assault, and wrongful imprisonment on his list... well... the accident doesn't seem as bad as what he did on purpose.

As far as Pyro dying redeemed? Cable actually reflects on Pyro, thinking his death proved he cared more about Xavier's cause than even he did. That's a pretty good testament, if you ask me. Especially since Pyro once slugged him one in the schnozz.

[The Lucky One]

He touched my Cable?!

Fucker got what he deserved.

A medal?

As for Pyro, I'm gonna say burning that guy alive. St. John's done some bad things, but that was inhuman.

-D

[timbox]

His greatest feat of evil will come when he gets resurrected and sees Cyclops wearing his backpack on the cover of Uncanny #500.

[AcesX1X]

His greatest feat of evil will come when he gets resurrected and sees Cyclops wearing his backpack on the cover of Uncanny #500.

and then blows it up?

[madrox1977]

His most evil thing he did was dying, he was a great character, and loved how he went out trying to be a hero

[CJ Lentze]

I'm not familiar with EVERY act of villainy Mr. Allerdyce has committed, but in this list assaulting Firestar's father and killing Kurtzmann sound like particularly repulsive acts. What are the specific details of either incident?

What I've read, burning Colossus so Avalanche could release nitrogen from the tankers on him and nearly kill him was very cruel, though it was a team 'effort' of St. John, Avalanche, and the Blob, and the Brotherhood was arguably 'at war' with the X-Men.

Most of the time, Pyro just seems like a thug. As with Avalanche, I don't know much about his background or his motivations to join the Brotherhood.

Tricking Cecilia Reyes into helping him escape from the hospital wasn't too dirty, imo, it was delightfully cheeky. Like he says: 'Never trust a villain', though that's a bit biased, of course.

[worstblogever]

I'm not familiar with EVERY act of villainy Mr. Allerdyce has committed, but in this list assaulting Firestar's father and killing Kurtzmann sound like particularly repulsive acts. What are the specific details of either incident?


Sadly, I can't find all the details of the Firestar vs. Brotherhood story from the end of Marvel Comics Presents... I only own up to part three of that ... 8 part story, I think? I pinched those details from like a paragraph I found on it at www.comicbookdb.com.

However, the act with Mr. Kurtzmann was due to Freedom Force being sent to Iraq to recover Kurtzmann, a scientist. Freedom Force was met evenly in battle by Desert Sword, an Iraqi team of superhumans that featured Sirroco, Aminedi, Arabian Knight, and Veil. When Freedom Force started taking casualties (including Crimson Commando losing an arm, and Super Sabre being killed), things got heated (pardon the pun) and Pyro realized there was no way they'd be able to recover Kurtzmann, and get out. So, he opted to flash-fry him, so the Iraqis didn't get him either.

Because he wasn't under orders to do so, however, it ended up in the long run that Pyro would be left behind enemy lines with Blob after being separated from Avalanche and Crimson Commando, who left them there under orders from command. In effect, this was the end of Freedom Force.

Somehow, off-panel, Toad would spring them both from Iraqi prison, and they'd show up in X-Force #6-9 as members of his new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

[The Lucky One]

Writers seemed to really go back and forth on Pyro... sometimes he was a cheeky rogue who got into crime purely because he was bored of being a bestselling novelist, sometimes he was nigh sadistic. I definitely preferred him as the former.

He wasn't all bad, though- he once helped Longshot save some kids by char-broiling a Tyrannosaurus rex.

-D

[Arrogantcur]

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- Participating in the assassination attempt by Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants on Senator Kelly by providing the distraction while Destiny went to shoot him? (Uncanny X-Men #141-142)

That's not so dirty.

- Sending a fire demon he created after U.S. Army troops, bragging, "I hope they have pensions, their families will need 'em!" (Uncanny X-Men #142)

Little worse, but I think they might've been shooting at him, so I'll let it go.

- Ambushing Colossus with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, superheating him so that Avalanche could destroy a liquid nitrogen truck near him and actually crack through his armored metal body, grievously injuring him? (Uncanny X-Men #177)

Pretty bad, but not ZOMG bad.

- Distracting the X-Men with the rest of the Brotherhood so Mystique could attempt to assassinate Professor X? (Uncanny X-Men #177-178)

That's even more not so dirty than the first one.

- On his first job with Freedom Force, attempting to arrest a repentant Magneto, effectively turning traitor to mutant freedom? (Uncanny X-Men #199)

Bad timing, plus Mags eventually went bad again so one could argue that they were right to bring him in (although I wouldn't be one of those people).

- Attacking a powerless Storm with one of his fire birds (she was only saved by Rachel Summers in the nick of time) (Uncanny X-Men #206)

Dirty.

- Chasing down Rusty Collins and Skids to arrest them, even using flames created by Rusty's pyrokinesis to attack the members 0f X-Factor and nearly burning bystanders? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #8-9)

Nearly dirty.

- On the orders of Henry Peter Gyrich, arresting the Avengers for treason they didn't commit and trying to throw them in the Vault? (Avengers Annual #15)

Freedom Force usually didn't question their orders, so that's more Gyrich's dirty deed.

- Stealing the flame from Crimson Commando's lighter, to purposely deny him his nicotine fit? (Uncanny X-Men #223)

I think you mean fix. This is not cool, but not dirty either.

- Trying to force the X-Men to register with the Mutant Registration Act, and capturing Rogue and Dazzler at Forge's Eagle Plaza? (Uncanny X-Men #225)

Oh well, he teamed up with them soon afterwards, so I'm inclined to let that one go.

- Attacks Cannonball and the New Mutants, a group of minors? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #65

Did he have provocation?

- While Jean Grey and Cyclops are mourning what they think are the deaths of the X-Men, including Cyclops' wife Maddie at Eagle Plaza, Pyro shows up and rubs it in, mocking them about it while trying to get them to register with the Mutant Registration Act? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #30-31)

Filthy.

- After Inferno, Pyro and the members of Freedom Force "rescue" all the children kidnapped by the demons during "Inferno", and promise to return them to their parents, but actually give them all to the government to be researched? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #40)

:eek:

- Trying to arrest Rusty Collins a second time, risking attacking him near national landmarks on Liberty Island? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #78, 80)

Oh, they can rebuild those. The Statue of Liberty lost its torch in Thunderbolts #1 and was fixed up just fine afterwards.


- Arresting Rusty Collins a third time, despite the fact that he only escaped from the Vault with Skids in order to capture the Vulture, whom he saw break out first? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #86)

Well, tracking down fugitives was kinda his job...

- Attempting to arrest Cable, assaulting him in the process, without a warrant or justification? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #89)

That's not dirty, that's just stupid. Particularly since they tried to do the same thing to the X-Men in San Francisco before and weren't able to do it for the same reason. You'd think they'd learn.

- In the line of duty, injuring Firestar's father so badly that he needed a replacement lung? (Marvel Comics Presents (vol. 1) #84)

Christ! What was he even doing that Pyro attacked him?!

- Killing Reinhold Kurtzmann, roasting him alive, when he ceased to believe he could bring him back into U.S. custody in one piece, rather than let his scientific expertise fall in the hands of the Iraqis? (Uncanny X-Men Annual #15)

Yeah that's pretty bad. He should've let one of the others (who weren't dead or injured) do the job. Failing that, kill him in a quicker way.

- Burning Veil alive! (X-Factor Annual (vol. 1) #6)

WHAAAAA?!!! Okay, without knowing more this is the dirtiest IMO.

- Ambushing X-Force in their home base as a part of Toad's Brotherhood? (X-Force (vol. 1) #6-7)

*yawns at the cleanliness of this act, which he could eat off of*

- Losing control over his powers due to the Legacy Virus, and burning down a church? (Uncanny X-Men #338)

Yeah, shame on him, getting sick like that! I bet he PAID STRYFE to give him that disease! :rolleyes:

- Providing a distraction so Mystique could kill Graydon Creed? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #129-130)

These distractions are not only remarkably non-villainous, they become more boring to read about each successive time.

- Tricking Cecilia Reyes into releasing his patient restraints while he was in her hospital, then escaping after betraying her trust, leading to her being fired by her medical chief of staff? (Uncanny X-Men #351)

I think I'd wanna escape too.

- Capturing and torturing the Knights of Wundagore on behalf of Exodus and the Acolytes in exchange for a chance to use Isotope E as a means of curing him of the Legacy Virus? (Quicksilver #6-9)

Um. I understand he was desperate but still....that's pretty awful.

- Burning hundreds of acres of privately owned cornfield while fleeing from the sentient Cerebro, with his powers out of control? (Uncanny X-Men #362)

This should be listed in "Dirty Deeds with Pyro's powers'".

- Burning alive the villain Post, who was attempting to assassinate Senator Kelly? (Cable (vol. 2) #87)

Oh, I saw that. That wasn't so much burning him alive as making him spontaneously combust, it happened so fast. I'm not gonna hold that against him.

Well, I'm gonna have to go with:

BURNING VEIL ALIVE. WTF, St. John?

[Sabre]

So what is Pyro's Dirtiest Deed?

- Participating in the assassination attempt by Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants on Senator Kelly by providing the distraction while Destiny went to shoot him? (Uncanny X-Men #141-142)

Sure, that was bad.

- Sending a fire demon he created after U.S. Army troops, bragging, "I hope they have pensions, their families will need 'em!" (Uncanny X-Men #142)

Yep, that was bad.

- Ambushing Colossus with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, superheating him so that Avalanche could destroy a liquid nitrogen truck near him and actually crack through his armored metal body, grievously injuring him? (Uncanny X-Men #177)

Bad, but it's debatable whether he knew Avalanche planned to dunk the liquid nitrogen on him (the way Avalanche phrased it, it sounded like he might have just come up with the idea). Pyro may have just planned to hurt Colossus very badly by heating him, which was painful but not a serious injury.

- Distracting the X-Men with the rest of the Brotherhood so Mystique could attempt to assassinate Professor X? (Uncanny X-Men #177-178)

The Brotherhood thought Xavier had mind-controlled Rogue into joining him. They were trying to rescue her.

- On his first job with Freedom Force, attempting to arrest a repentant Magneto, effectively turning traitor to mutant freedom? (Uncanny X-Men #199)

Yeah, Freedom Force sold out to The Man, but that's not really a crime. Magneto was a wanted criminal.

- Attacking a powerless Storm with one of his fire birds (she was only saved by Rachel Summers in the nick of time) (Uncanny X-Men #206)

He did not attack her. He was purely showing off, daring her to put out his fire bird (which he had burning on his own body, not attacking anyone). And he seemed to think she had her powers, based on what he said to her and how he reacted to the sudden freak rainstorm. He's guilty of being a showy attention whore, but I could have told you that :tongue:

- Chasing down Rusty Collins and Skids to arrest them, even using flames created by Rusty's pyrokinesis to attack the members 0f X-Factor and nearly burning bystanders? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #8-9)

Rusty attacked Freedom Force with his flames (something the dumb kid did repeatedly, despite Pyro being around), so Pyro re-directed them back at X-Factor. He did not risk bystanders, the flames did not go near them.

As others have pointed out, Rusty was a naval deserter and wanted for severely burning that woman. FF had reason to take him into custody.

- On the orders of Henry Peter Gyrich, arresting the Avengers for treason they didn't commit and trying to throw them in the Vault? (Avengers Annual #15)

Freedom Force did not know whether the Avengers were guilty or innocent (blame Quicksilver, who framed them); they were simply arresting them. They gave warrants and read them their rights and everything.

- Trying to force the X-Men to register with the Mutant Registration Act, and capturing Rogue and Dazzler at Forge's Eagle Plaza? (Uncanny X-Men #225)

Freedom Force went there to save the X-Men's lives, figuring if they took them into custody, they wouldn't die.

- Attacks Cannonball and the New Mutants, a group of minors? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #65

FF was trying to save Forge from Magik.

- While Jean Grey and Cyclops are mourning what they think are the deaths of the X-Men, including Cyclops' wife Maddie at Eagle Plaza, Pyro shows up and rubs it in, mocking them about it while trying to get them to register with the Mutant Registration Act? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #30-31)

He didn't even have any dialogue in that story, so I'm not sure how he could rub it in. As for getting them to register, that was Freedom Force's job.

- After Inferno, Pyro and the members of Freedom Force "rescue" all the children kidnapped by the demons during "Inferno", and promise to return them to their parents, but actually give them all to the government to be researched? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #40)

The kids were supposed to be trained (probably as a next generation FF or something), but yeah that was definitely illegal on FF's part.

- Trying to arrest Rusty Collins a second time, risking attacking him near national landmarks on Liberty Island? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #78, 80)

Rusty was suspected of causing fires that were actually the result of Mirage's Valkyrie illness, so he was supposed to be re-arrested.

- Attempting to arrest Cable, assaulting him in the process, without a warrant or justification? (New Mutants (vol. 1) #89)

As it was stated in the story, Cable was a wanted man at the time. They had him in custody after finding him unconscious after an MLF attack, then he escaped and smashed Pyro in the face with a gun (knocking him unconscious). It isn't really a surprise that Pyro was pissed when they went to re-arrest him.

- In the line of duty, injuring Firestar's father so badly that he needed a replacement lung? (Marvel Comics Presents (vol. 1) #84)

He did not. Spiral did that, even though Mystique tried to stop her. He was not even there at the time.

- Killing Reinhold Kurtzmann, roasting him alive, when he ceased to believe he could bring him back into U.S. custody in one piece, rather than let his scientific expertise fall in the hands of the Iraqis? (Uncanny X-Men Annual #15)

As awful as that was, those were his orders. The story was quite explicit on that.

- Burning Veil alive! (X-Factor Annual (vol. 1) #6)

That was bad, but I want to point out that she had already helped kill one of his teammates and maim another, and FF had been separated, chased, and attacked all over Kuwait City by the Iraqi team. And the Iraqis had declared their intention to kill the surviving Freedom Force members. Frankly, it was kill or be killed. The only really bad part of that was he took some glee in burning her, but after the ordeal he'd been through, it isn't really surprising.

- Losing control over his powers due to the Legacy Virus, and burning down a church? (Uncanny X-Men #338)

C'mon now, that wasn't his fault. He even told the X-Men to get out because he didn't want them to be killed.

- Providing a distraction so Mystique could kill Graydon Creed? (X-Factor (vol. 1) #129-130)

She lied to him and told him they were trying to help. He was trying to save Creed.

- Capturing and torturing the Knights of Wundagore on behalf of Exodus and the Acolytes in exchange for a chance to use Isotope E as a means of curing him of the Legacy Virus? (Quicksilver #6-9)

Yeah, that was bad. He was desperate, I guess.

- Burning hundreds of acres of privately owned cornfield while fleeing from the sentient Cerebro, with his powers out of control? (Uncanny X-Men #362)

He was insane and terrified, which the X-Men only made worse by the way they approached the situation.

- Burning alive the villain Post, who was attempting to assassinate Senator Kelly? (Cable (vol. 2) #87)


Post was about to kill Kelly. It was Post or Kelly, and Pyro chose Kelly.

[worstblogever]

Sabre, if I'm ever accused of a crime, remind me to give you a call. You have a pretty solid defense for a lot of Pyro's shady dealings.

And most of them, are justified. Good work.

[Sabre]

Sabre, if I'm ever accused of a crime, remind me to give you a call. You have a pretty solid defense for a lot of Pyro's shady dealings.

And most of them, are justified. Good work.

Thanks! I'm a geek (obviously) :tongue:

[Arrogantcur]

Thanks! I'm a geek (obviously) :tongue:

AAAAHHHH! A geek! Here! The perimeter has been breached, people! Somebody sound the alarm! :eek:

He did not attack her. He was purely showing off, daring her to put out his fire bird (which he had burning on his own body, not attacking anyone). And he seemed to think she had her powers, based on what he said to her and how he reacted to the sudden freak rainstorm.

Ohhh, I wasn't paying close enough attention to the issue number. This was in San Francisco when the X-Men were there before, wasn't it? (Kinda funny how not only have the X-Men definitely lived somewhere other than New York State before, but this move to SF isn't even their first time there! :tongue: ) Anyhoo, now that I look at the issue it seems pretty clear he doesn't know she's been depowered. Mystique could've told him so, of course, but she wasn't involved in that mission.

(Mystique might've also pointed out that it would've been helpful to have a warrant or government ID or something, if she'd been aware of what the rest of the team was doing. Oh well.)

He didn't even have any dialogue in that story, so I'm not sure how he could rub it in. As for getting them to register, that was Freedom Force's job.

Yeah, since that's an issue I don't have, this information changes my view of things. From what I've read so far, this one and a couple others seem to be more Freedom Force's dirty deeds instead of Pyro's own.

He did not. Spiral did that, even though Mystique tried to stop her. He was not even there at the time.

Now I want to know why Spiral attacked him. :confused: Good for Mystique from trying to stop it.

That was bad, but I want to point out that she had already helped kill one of his teammates and maim another, and FF had been separated, chased, and attacked all over Kuwait City by the Iraqi team. And the Iraqis had declared their intention to kill the surviving Freedom Force members. Frankly, it was kill or be killed. The only really bad part of that was he took some glee in burning her, but after the ordeal he'd been through, it isn't really surprising.

Ahh, she was one of the Iraqi superhumans on that infamous Freedom-Force-destroying mission. Yeah, that does change things in my view. They'd decapitated Super Sabre and tore off a lot of Crimson Commando's flesh (including his arm) as I recall it being told to me. So after taking those kinds of losses I can see why the surviving Freedom Force members would not hold anything back in the fight.

As for him enjoying it...

Writers seemed to really go back and forth on Pyro... sometimes he was a cheeky rogue who got into crime purely because he was bored of being a bestselling novelist, sometimes he was nigh sadistic. I definitely preferred him as the former.

Yeah, I liked him as the cheeky rogue too. This is why I'd like to see more characters owned by their creators, because you'd see that kind of inconsistency (which of course affects how future writers treat the character) much less often. And say what you will about CC, but he always wrote the best Pyro IMO.

So with the new information I have to change my vote to:

Breaking his promise to return the babies kidnapped by demons during Inferno to their families.

That's another collective Freedom Force dirty deed, possibly even a Val Cooper dirty deed, but he was part of it.

[worstblogever]

I'm still kind of shocked that Pyro only ever killed on panel 3 times, ever. And all of them were in the line of duty. I thought in one of his Brotherhood incarnations, he'd have fragged at least some humans.

[Sabre]

AAAAHHHH! A geek! Here! The perimeter has been breached, people! Somebody sound the alarm!

Who the hell let my kind in? :]

Ohhh, I wasn't paying close enough attention to the issue number. This was in San Francisco when the X-Men were there before, wasn't it? (Kinda funny how not only have the X-Men definitely lived somewhere other than New York State before, but this move to SF isn't even their first time there! :tongue: ) Anyhoo, now that I look at the issue it seems pretty clear he doesn't know she's been depowered. Mystique could've told him so, of course, but she wasn't involved in that mission.

(Mystique might've also pointed out that it would've been helpful to have a warrant or government ID or something, if she'd been aware of what the rest of the team was doing. Oh well.)

Yes, this was in San Fran. I liked how Pyro, ever loyal to Mystique (which of course bit him in the ass later on, because he trusted her when she claimed they were going to save Graydon Creed), was fretting about how they shouldn't have been out there without her.

I started out in X-Men fandom as a Mystique fan, and had little interest in her team. But as I bought back issues, I came to appreciate how Pyro was completely loyal to her without being a bootlicker (it's a quality I admire greatly), and eventually became a huge fan of his. And thus here we are :tongue:

Now I want to know why Spiral attacked him. :confused: Good for Mystique from trying to stop it.

Cuz Spiral's a friggin' psycho, really. Anyway, Firestar's dad tried to get in the way of them* registering her (Emma Frost had sicc'ed FF on her), so Spiral put one of her swords through him.

*it was Mystique, Spiral, and Avalanche on that particular mission.

Ahh, she was one of the Iraqi superhumans on that infamous Freedom-Force-destroying mission. Yeah, that does change things in my view. They'd decapitated Super Sabre and tore off a lot of Crimson Commando's flesh (including his arm) as I recall it being told to me. So after taking those kinds of losses I can see why the surviving Freedom Force members would not hold anything back in the fight.

As for him enjoying it...

The funny thing is, he did hold back for a while, showing a fair amount of restraint. Desert Sword ambushed him and Blob inside a cafe, and he sent out a fireball that basically knocked them off their feet. Within an enclosed area like that, he could have easily killed Veil and Arabian Knight (it's doubtful he could have killed the demon, but probably hurt it), but he did not. It was not until the next part of the story that he killed her.

If he had killed (half of) Desert Sword inside the cafe, FF probably would have been able to get Kurtzmann out alive. If he'd used deadly force on the Reavers during the attack on Muir Island, Stonewall probably wouldn't have died, and Destiny might not have either. I don't think it's a surprise that ultimately he used deadly force on Post to save Kelly, because he'd probably learned that taking it easy on certain enemies gets people you care about (or simply want to rescue) killed. The X-Men were certainly failing that situation quite miserably.

Yeah, I liked him as the cheeky rogue too. This is why I'd like to see more characters owned by their creators, because you'd see that kind of inconsistency (which of course affects how future writers treat the character) much less often. And say what you will about CC, but he always wrote the best Pyro IMO.

CC and Nicieza get my votes.

So with the new information I have to change my vote to:

Breaking his promise to return the babies kidnapped by demons during Inferno to their families.

That's another collective Freedom Force dirty deed, possibly even a Val Cooper dirty deed, but he was part of it.

It's true, but it's also debatable how much control they had over what was going on. Queen FF Geek that I am, I once compiled a variety of quotes indicating their relative powerlessness in the grand scheme of things, but I'll spare y'all :redface:

I'm still kind of shocked that Pyro only ever killed on panel 3 times, ever. And all of them were in the line of duty. I thought in one of his Brotherhood incarnations, he'd have fragged at least some humans.

It was a different era when he debuted. Today, I'm sure he'd have a much higher body count...but that's one of my beefs with modern comics.

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\It was a different era when he debuted. Today, I'm sure he'd have a much higher body count...but that's one of my beefs with modern comics.

True. In today's era, or even 100 issues ago in Uncanny X-Men, somebody like Mr. Clean can show up with a flame-thrower and rack up a body count of dozens of London Morlocks in his first appearance.

Meanwhile, over like 20 years, a guy named Pyro stacks up a whopping three.

They need to just do a "Tales of Freedom Force" mini-series, that covers all sorts of covert missions inside and outside the U.S. that Pyro and the rest of the crew went on.

[Arrogantcur]

Who the hell let my kind in? :]


There goes the neighborhood... *groans*

If he had killed (half of) Desert Sword inside the cafe, FF probably would have been able to get Kurtzmann out alive. If he'd used deadly force on the Reavers during the attack on Muir Island, Stonewall probably wouldn't have died, and Destiny might not have either. I don't think it's a surprise that ultimately he used deadly force on Post to save Kelly, because he'd probably learned that taking it easy on certain enemies gets people you care about (or simply want to rescue) killed. The X-Men were certainly failing that situation quite miserably.

On Muir Isle it wasn't for lack of trying. Before they even landed, Deathstrike had killed their pilots so blood had already been shed. He sent some really really REALLY hot flames at the former Hellfire guys, which of course should have done something bad to them but didn't. Later on he tried to "flash-fry these yobbos" (that's the quote as best as I remember it; I've re-read those stories that often, yes) but Legion stopped him (or maybe it was the Shadow King, or it was Legion's evil personality, or the Shadow King controlling Legion's evil personality; I was never completely clear on that).

After the body count that the Reavers racked up just on the island and after seeing the level of sadism Pierce was capable of with Wolverine, I wouldn't have blamed Pyro if he'd succeeded in killing one of them. I sure don't blame Mystique from trying to gun 'em all down while posing as Deathstrike, and I felt like cheering when Forge sniped Skullbuster.

It's true, but it's also debatable how much control they had over what was going on. Queen FF Geek that I am, I once compiled a variety of quotes indicating their relative powerlessness in the grand scheme of things, but I'll spare y'all :redface:

They were government pawns before Tony Stark (or Skrull Tony, maybe) made it cool.

It was a different era when he debuted. Today, I'm sure he'd have a much higher body count...but that's one of my beefs with modern comics.

If you put a gun that shoots conventional bullets (as opposed to rubber bullets like MACH-1 used--I have no idea what he's currently using) or a sword in somebody's hand, and if they have any idea how to handle it, realistically they should at least be wounding people left and right. So guys like Cable, Wolverine, the Silver Samurai and Citizen V should all have body counts (even ones resulting from accidental killings), whereas guys like Cyclops, Xavier, Spider-Man and even Magneto can win fights without seriously injuring or killing their opponents.

As for Pyro, he had something like the same problem as Havok and Neal Shaara. I guess Johnny Storm has the same problem, although he doesn't complain about it that often. With their powers, it's tricky to avoid injuring or killing their opponents.

One of Pyro's fire monsters picked up Wolverine during DoFP of course. Now if Wolverine had been fighting Water Wizard/Aqueduct, he would have been just fine because it would have been a water monster. But of course it was a fire monster, so his flesh was burning away during every second the thing held onto him.

(Since reading about Aqueduct I've been wondering how a fight between him and Pyro might turn out, btw.)

They need to just do a "Tales of Freedom Force" mini-series, that covers all sorts of covert missions inside and outside the U.S. that Pyro and the rest of the crew went on.

Oh, don't tease me like that. :frown: I'd love to see one of those too, but what are the chances, right?

[psychic_therapy]

I went with the roasting and capturing bits... sounds like a party actually. Dirty party, though.

[FeminineMystique]

Stealing the flame from Crimson Commando's lighter, to purposely deny him his nicotine fit?

I love that "Preventing someone from using something that will give them lung cancer is listed as a dirty deed here ;)

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I love that "Preventing someone from using something that will give them lung cancer is listed as a dirty deed here ;)

Stealing fire is a crime since the earliest days of man, supposedly, though.

Yeah, I didn't vote for that one. Didn't even put it on the poll, it's so weak.

Honestly, that one I included because he's a delightful scamp for it. Sometimes, stuff is just too cool not to mention in these.

[FeminineMystique]

Honestly, that one I included because he's a delightful scamp for it. Sometimes, stuff is just too cool not to mention in these.

Pyro always struck me as a very likeable villain. I mean yes he sometimes tries to kill people darling, but he's got a kind of roguish charm while he does it. And he died a hero, after struggling with the Legacy Virus.

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Pyro always struck me as a very likeable villain. I mean yes he sometimes tries to kill people darling, but he's got a kind of roguish charm while he does it. And he died a hero, after struggling with the Legacy Virus.

There's a thread somewhere in the recesses of the X-Forums about his bro-mance with Avalanche, as well.

[FeminineMystique]

There's a thread somewhere in the recesses of the X-Forums about his bro-mance with Avalanche, as well.

Their Bro-Mance was EPIC darling. I think they factored highly on that "Most likely to have hooked up off panel" thread.

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Their Bro-Mance was EPIC darling. I think they factored highly on that "Most likely to have hooked up off panel" thread.

Well, you'll appreciate it, then. Here's the link:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=224134

[marvell2100]

Hey! Pyro! Leave those kids alone!

[FeminineMystique]

Hey! Pyro! Leave those kids alone!

That warning would be better directed at Wolverine darling. He's the one with the harem of teenage "Sidekicks"

[marvell2100]

That warning would be better directed at Wolverine darling. He's the one with the harem of teenage "Sidekicks"

But you did get my Pink Floyd reference right?

[FeminineMystique]

But you did get my Pink Floyd reference right?

Well of course. And now I have that song stuck in my head

[marvell2100]

That warning would be better directed at Wolverine darling. He's the one with the harem of teenage "Sidekicks"

As long as none of them are redheads, they should be safe. From Wolverine anyway. Peter on the other hand...

[FeminineMystique]

As long as none of them are redheads, they should be safe. From Wolverine anyway. Peter on the other hand...

Oh Wolverine is over his red head fetish. When he starts missing Jean he just takes out his little "Lock of hair in a box" and starts sniffing it.

It's when he starts measuring them up for bright yellow coats and pink wraparound sunglasses they need to worry ;)

[x_goalkeeper]

Roasting Veil and Reinhold Kurtzmann, and breaking the promise to return the babies..