Do You Respect Wolverine?

[Optic Rage!]

So, as a person, do you respect Logan? do you think he has honour? or do you think he is just a rabid dog?

[PKIronMan]

Rabid dog? Logan has honor through-and-through with the occasional lapse in judgement or overwhelming primal instinct.

[flowerpower]

I miss the Wolverine that I used to respect. I think Claremont watered him down so much through the years, and every writer with the exception of Mark Millar really didn't get him. I never saw Wolverine as a "samurai" or a leader of ANY kind. He was recruited by Xavier to be the X-Men's fighter. He has loyalty to the X-Men, but should be a loose cannon. When he steps in a room, everyone should stop and watch him kind of like the reaction Billy Batson provoked in Kingdom Come. He's a killing machine, that is what he was 'built' for. But now he is portrayed as some kind hearted old man who takes little kids under his wing and teaches them all about life. He's way too soft. If the current Wolverine could some how meet up with the Wolverine from around the Claremont/Byrne Savage Land/Proteus era, it would be no contest. The earlier version would destroy him in seconds without even thinking.

[LawGiver]

I do not respect a man who does not exist.

[DDM]

I can't respect a character who has become a parody of himself thanks to multiple apprearances in multiple books which just compunds his overexposure. Wolverine should have NEVER joined the New Avengers under any circumstances. Cosmic Wolverine needs to go away for a long, long time.

[wooten16]

I voted no because I like em dirty and when they bark like dog for me. rawr

[carswell13]

I bet he smells like old cabbage....so my answer is no.

[Jake V]

No, I save my respect for actual human beings. The kind that actually exist.

[chickrockguitar]

I said "yes", but it depends on who writes him these days.

[Joe Acro]

He may be a loose cannon (or rabid dog), but that doesn't detract from his honor. And he may have honor, but that doesn't mean I have to respect him.

[Arrogantcur]

The way Tieri wrote him I had little respect for him, and he did not have honour.

I say that because he did not apologize for disfiguring Malcolm Colcord, as he should have since Colcold was innocent at the time.

I also say that because of what he did to Matsuo Tsurayaba when Matsuo was helpless, cutting off his arm, his nose, cutting out his gallbladder, and planning to come back for more every year. The way I see it, somebody with honour does not attack a helpless and beaten enemy, nor do they torture.

When he's written by others, I do respect Logan and consider him a much more honourable person.

[jarrod]

Yeah, it largely depends on the writer. When they uphold Claremont's "flawed but honorable samurai" persona, is when I do. When they revert to "90s killer animal" I don't.

[jrc_burgess]

As a character, and not a real person, he is honourable if he is written to be.

If you mean that do you think the character works better as the honourable warrior or the savage killer barely controlling himself, then in my opinion, the later.

[Gene M.]

I would say that the character of Wolverine possesses qualities found in people I respect.

[jarrod]

As a character, and not a real person, he is honourable if he is written to be.

If you mean that do you think the character works better as the honourable warrior or the savage killer barely controlling himself, then in my opinion, the later.
The two work best when balanced hand in hand imo. That's actually what makes Wolverine such an attractive, flawed figure.

[creaky]

He's acted like an ass a bit too often for me to truly respect him. I like him, though.

[The Thunderbird]

When he's not going on a berserker rampage, I actually kind of respect Wolverine myself. An honorable warrior who usually only guts the bad guys.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'd say yes overall, but there are moments I'd just want to b****slap some sense into him.

Worst offenses are the 'ooooh, I'm dying, kiss me Jean' scenes.

Guy's killed scores and horrible things. Guy's an actual warhorse. He's at home on a battlefield. His fate is to most likely (99%) die a horrible horrible death. Him getting all whiny and in need of last minute affection is missing the point on so many levels it's not even funny.

[jrc_burgess]

Worst offenses are the 'ooooh, I'm dying, kiss me Jean' scenes.

Guy's killed scores and horrible things. Guy's an actual warhorse. He's at home on a battlefield. His fate is to most likely (99%) die a horrible horrible death. Him getting all whiny and in need of last minute affection is missing the point on so many levels it's not even funny.

Very Very true.

I don't really like the character personally but I appreciate what he is supposed to be and represent and the whole clingy thing with Jean IS very out of character (as I understand and recognise the character to be, anyway).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Very Very true.

I don't really like the character personally but I appreciate what he is supposed to be and represent and the whole clingy thing with Jean IS very out of character (as I understand and recognise the character to be, anyway).

Good to know it ain't just me.

Know what's the craziest part?

Jean's one of the world's premier telepaths. When Wolvie gets all whiny and angsty, she's super NICE to him and coddles him.

Cyke's the aloof hardassed SOB. When Wolvie gets all whiny and angsty, he either leaves him the f**k alone or b**chslaps him into getting his act together. Hell, he did the same with his current girlfriend.

Too funny, really.

[jrc_burgess]

Good to know it ain't just me.

Know what's the craziest part?

Jean's one of the world's premier telepaths. When Wolvie gets all whiny and angsty, she's super NICE to him and coddles him.

Cyke's the aloof hardassed SOB. When Wolvie gets all whiny and angsty, he either leaves him the f**k alone or b**chslaps him into getting his act together. Hell, he did the same with his current girlfriend.

Too funny, really.


I'm not the one to comment here really, it'll just turn into rant.

Logan's appeal to Jean is a mystery to me. I mean AT MOST she might like a bit of rough that Scott couldn't provide, but to want Logan?! I don't get it.

The only bigger mystery to me is Scott wanting Emma. If she was rebound after Jean's death it'd have been stupid, but understandable to the character. But to actually want her and to mentally cheat on Jean with her?! Wow. I mean even cyclops' have one eye, they arent't totally blind!

There was a comedian a few years ago with the whole Hugh Grant/hooker/ Liz Hurley scandal who commented "it's like being able drink champagne every night and choosing to drink a tramp's (homeless person in UK-speak) piss instead!"

Scott with Emma over Jean always reminds me of this, from the characters POV at least. For the writers it makes great sense. Dump the sweet, nice, girl next-door Jean for the sex-obsessed fanboy favourate of the reformed Emma. The boys lap it up.

Its sad really as Jean and Scott could (should) have been the Peter and Mj, The Reed and Sue of X-men, complete with the realistic ups and downs those couples have been written to suffer.

Instead, whip out the fan boys wet dream and stick her in the limelight as nowt but a naughty thrill.

Its such a shame. Astonishing and Phoenix - Warsong showed that Emma has the potential to be a classic and great character.

OK. It turned into a bit of a rant anyway...

[stingerman]

I said no because of the magic sword crap.

[Dagger]

I liked how Whedon wrote him, which was a lot like Claremont, but with better dialogue.

[Bamf25]

while morally questionable, I respect him because he is honest about who he is and what he is about.

[princesa]

I said "yes", but it depends on who writes him these days.


I totally agree with that.

[Raptor]

I suppose he would be a respectable individual were he real.

Assuming you say 616, in the Ultimates absolutely not. He needs a little Xavier special, perhaps leaving him permanently labotomized or comatose.

[Jota]

I liked how Whedon wrote him, which was a lot like Claremont, but with better dialogue.And with all of his personality replaced by the one of a drunken, retarded monkey.

[roleplay]

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Guy's killed scores and horrible things. Guy's an actual warhorse. He's at home on a battlefield. His fate is to most likely (99%) die a horrible horrible death.

I agree with mostly everything here. Also add in the fact that he wants to follow the path of the samurai and has lived through more pain and suffering then any man should.

[Affinity]

I respect Wolverine! I would trust him with my bf's life.

And mine I guesssss.

[madrox1977]

I said yes, but must admit there are occasions when he crosses that line where i think "now thats just too far", then i remember he is a fictional character and i'm ok.

[Phil Hunn]

I respect Wolverine.

If I don't, he'll stab me in the face.

[psychic_therapy]

For the most part, there's respect because he's (mostly) good... but he's a jerk.

I'd trust him to do the right thing if there aren't any possible distractions.

[WWWD]

I miss the Wolverine that I used to respect. I think Claremont watered him down so much through the years, and every writer with the exception of Mark Millar really didn't get him. I never saw Wolverine as a "samurai" or a leader of ANY kind. He was recruited by Xavier to be the X-Men's fighter. He has loyalty to the X-Men, but should be a loose cannon. When he steps in a room, everyone should stop and watch him kind of like the reaction Billy Batson provoked in Kingdom Come. He's a killing machine, that is what he was 'built' for. But now he is portrayed as some kind hearted old man who takes little kids under his wing and teaches them all about life. He's way too soft. If the current Wolverine could some how meet up with the Wolverine from around the Claremont/Byrne Savage Land/Proteus era, it would be no contest. The earlier version would destroy him in seconds without even thinking.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Wolverine is so soft anymore, it's ridiculous.

[Robbiebob_16]

I sure as hell would respect him if he put his claws in my face and threatened to gut me. Or maybe I would like it....:evilsmile:<<sarcasm

[CrimsonComedian]

He's an animal with a heart. I like him.

[darknessatnoon]

I do not respect him. He is a gaijin dog.

[Joe Franklin]

I do not respect a man who does not exist.

This is the ONLY! correct answer.

[marvell2100]

Sure, he's alright. He's honorable for the most part, just like the majority of people.

[GHalecki]

Here is how I envision the correct way to be.

He is personally fine with killing people that he thinks have it coming, and "have it coming" depends completely on his mood at that time.
He however DOESN'T kill, because he is an X-Man, and that isn't their way. He doesn't really agree with it, but he is bound by his word that he wil abide by it, at least as much as he can.

He has a sense of honor and duty that he feels strongly about, but he is a failed samuri, so sometimes he doesn't stick with the code of honor that he wants to have as much as he would like to.

He has a keen tactical and stratiegic mind, but he much prefers to act first and think if he gets around to it later. He is impetuaous and defiant. If he gets an order that he doesn't like, he will buck at it, regardless of how much he might actually agree with it if he stops to think.

He has a really bad temper that he only partially tries to contain. He will go berzerk when provoked, but he only half hartedly wants to actually get it under control.

He can exhibit incredible ammounts of discipline and restraint, but he rarely sees a justification for not just doing exactly what he wants.

He has tons of sage wisdom and experience to impart to his friends, but he would only rarely be bothered to do so.

The Wolverine of the last long time has nothing to do with the Wolverine I want to read about.