Did you like Superman Returns?

[Xybernauts]

I was wondering how everyone felt about the last Superman movie. Was it done right or does Smallville have a better take on Superman ?

[brundlefly]

SR wasn't perfect, but I far prefer it to Smallville.

[rZi]

It wasn't terrible, but along shot from great.

I want them to press the resent button badly on this franchise like they did with Batman and make Superman as popular in the movie franchise as he deserves to be.

[kaelikins]

Samey same. Superman Returns was far from perfect, but given the choice between Singer's Supes and Smallville, there is no choice. Loved SR for the nostalgia, not so much for the plot.

I'd be okay with a reset, I guess, but honestly I don't think anyone is going to dethrone Christopher Reeve as the definitive movie Superman. I liked Singer's visuals, and I liked Routh's performance... It feels "right" to me to build on the Donner film, but that's probably because it's so familiar to me. I don't know how to forget! I'd certainly be willing to accept a reset, though, so long as it's not a gross reimagining of the characters.

[Dr. Banner]

Singerman Repugnant was so bad and boring that it could give blind people eye herpes.

[The Confessor]

SR wasn't perfect, but I far prefer it to Smallville.


Amen to that brother!

Sure, Superman Returns didn't quite hit the rarefied heights of Superman The Movie or Superman II but it was still a hugely enjoyable nostalgia fest and Brandon Routh did a great job of accomplishing an almost impossible task - stepping into Christopher Reeves' shoes.

Compared to Smallville, Superman Returns is a work of Shakespearean like dramatic greatness.

I tend to lump Smallville in with all those other cheesey, Ameican TV shows like Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Heroes to be honest...a steaming turd with bad scripts, bad acting and bad music.

[Xybernauts]

Samey same. Superman Returns was far from perfect, but given the choice between Singer's Supes and Smallville, there is no choice. Loved SR for the nostalgia, not so much for the plot.

I'd be okay with a reset, I guess, but honestly I don't think anyone is going to dethrone Christopher Reeve as the definitive movie Superman. I liked Singer's visuals, and I liked Routh's performance... It feels "right" to me to build on the Donner film, but that's probably because it's so familiar to me. I don't know how to forget! I'd certainly be willing to accept a reset, though, so long as it's not a gross reimagining of the characters.

Singerman Repugnant was so bad and boring that it could give blind people eye herpes.

Actually I agree with kaelikins. I'd like to see them keep the continuity with the Donner films, but revamp the style. By revamp the style, I mean get rid of the director and get rid of the actors and remake sets, especially Metropolis. I think Metropolis is too old fashioned in Superman Returns. I want to see the Metropolis like the one in Smallville. I agree that Smallville story wise is very poorly developed and takes a few too many liberties in terms of continuity; but I think they hit the bulls-eye with the way they have developed Lex Luthor and designed Metropolis. I prefer CEO Lex to just rich Lex. I love how they use CGI effects to recreate the Daily Planet and Luthor Corp. I also think Lois of Smallville is far more interesting then the one is SR. SR's Lois is so bland. She doesn't stand out in anyway. I know Tom Welling isn't a good actor, but to me he does a better job of embodying Superman then Roth. Roth seems to prissy to me. He looks like he's never worked on a farm in his life. Maybe if Superman was supposed to be metrosexual... I think with the right editing SR could have really been a great movie. Did you see the trailer. That was a really great trailer. Maybe the guy who edited the trailer should have been in charge of editing the movie?

Samey same. Superman Returns was far from perfect, but given the choice between Singer's Supes and Smallville, there is no choice. Loved SR for the nostalgia, not so much for the plot.

I'd be okay with a reset, I guess, but honestly I don't think anyone is going to dethrone Christopher Reeve as the definitive movie Superman. I liked Singer's visuals, and I liked Routh's performance... It feels "right" to me to build on the Donner film, but that's probably because it's so familiar to me. I don't know how to forget! I'd certainly be willing to accept a reset, though, so long as it's not a gross reimagining of the characters.


Singerman Repugnant was so bad and boring that it could give blind people eye herpes.

Amen to that brother!

Sure, Superman Returns didn't quite hit the rarefied heights of Superman The Movie or Superman II but it was still a hugely enjoyable nostalgia fest and Brandon Routh did a great job of accomplishing an almost impossible task - stepping into Christopher Reeves' shoes.

Compared to Smallville, Superman Returns is a work of Shakespearean like dramatic greatness.

I tend to lump Smallville in with all those other cheesey, Ameican TV shows like Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Heroes to be honest...a steaming turd with bad scripts, bad acting and bad music.

I have to agree with Dr. Banner once again. I mean it sounds like a lot of you are voting not on SRs individual merit, but instead based on nostalgia. If you voted for SR as a standalone movie separate of Donner's accomplishments would you still feel the same?

[B. Kuwanger]

I thought SR was kind of a sweet movie, but...uh...yeah, didn't pay attention to half of it.

[The Confessor]

I have to agree with Dr. Banner once again. I mean it sounds like a lot of you are voting not on SRs individual merit, but instead based on nostalgia. If you voted for SR as a standalone movie separate of Donner's accomplishments would you still feel the same?


Yea...yes, I would. Even on its own merrits, without the conection to the earlier Superman films, Superman Returns is still much, much better than Smallville in every way.

[Solaris01]

For me Superman Returns is Waaaay better than Smallville in every way.

SR is my favorite Superman movie, with STM as a close second, and one of my top 5 favorite films. I just enjoy the film immensely. And Routh Is my Superman. :smile:


Am I clear enough? lol

[Sabrinaset]

I remember the first time I watched Superman Returns, and there's one scene that pretty much defines what went wrong with the whole movie for me.

It's when the big Daily Planet sphere is falling off the top of the building, and Superman catches it, then slowly flies down to the ground, holding the giant metal sphere over his head ... then gently placing it onto the roof of an undamaged car, crushing it.

I remember watching that scene thinking "Hey! That was someone's car! What did it's owner do to you? Now he's gotta deal with the insurance issues and the deductable ... Way to go, Supermoron!"

[ZT4]

Superman Returns is a College film school project...even the cameraman feels like he's sniggering as dorm mate Brandon tries to act like Supes

That said, it's got great moments, good set-peices, but it's the smaller scenes I love...like how Singer portrays Lex and his cronies on Kryptonite Island playing cards and quietly confirming there really going to kill all those people... and beating Supes up...those thugs gained extra dimension and were made to be part of proceedings, whilst not losing their distinct roles as heavies.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I was wondering how everyone felt about the last Superman movie. Was it done right or does Smallville have a better take on Superman ?

Smallville, even though I watch it every week, can never hope to be as good as Superman. Yes, I know Smallville deals with a teenager Clark, and as such, I should expect some conflict in the dramatic department. But Gough and Millar have taken things too damn far, turning it into a "Smallville 90210". OTOH, at least we get some cool episodes dealing with Krypton and other aspects and the outstanding Lex Luthor by Rosenbaum (and he's not coming back for season 8).

So, given that that's the way I feel about Smallville, I voted for SR.

I not only liked the movie, but I utterly LOVED it. Beautifully made, and it touched on an emotional aspect of the character while showing him iconic and god-like.

[Indigo Al]

I wanted to love it. It was part of a very special evening.

But it wasn't a good movie. Angst ridden, clunky, and joyless.

[Supermancho]

Till now, Superman I is unbeatable. I did'nt like SR and I prefer Smallville, even taking in acount I left Smallville in the fourth season.

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[Alan2099]

Superman Returns wasn't a great movie, but Smallville is an abyssmal show so it still comes out ahead.

[KryptonianFan315]

I think Smallville has a better premise than SR. The problem with SR is that his great nemisis is a bit of an idiot. The comics have been succeeding for quite a while with Lex being the evil head of a corporation and able to battle Superman with wit. Lex Corp (Luthor Corp) is an enemy all to its own. I like the idea of doing for Superman what they did for the Batman franchise, but I would hope Tom Wellings would take the role of Clark/Superman

[Xybernauts]

I think Smallville has a better premise than SR. The problem with SR is that his great nemisis is a bit of an idiot. The comics have been succeeding for quite a while with Lex being the evil head of a corporation and able to battle Superman with wit. Lex Corp (Luthor Corp) is an enemy all to its own. I like the idea of doing for Superman what they did for the Batman franchise, but I would hope Tom Wellings would take the role of Clark/Superman

Finally!!! That's what I'm talking about. That's exactly how I feel. I mean I agree that that Smallville has significantly abused the Superman franchise, but I think they did a few things right.

I don't care much for Tom Welling. I mean he looks like my definition of Superman and he makes an effort to play a noble character, but he comes across as being a little too self righteous. As a result his performance comes across as being very obnoxious. But in the end I do prefer him to Roth. Roth just comes off as being a little to weak to me. Also, I prefer Smallville Metropolis mainly because it looks more modern than the SR Metropolis. I think Smallville uses really good CGI to portray Metropolis. SR Metropolis was great back in the 1980's, but now it looks so out of date.

[The Batman]

Spacey's Lex Luthor was such a badass that he didn't need a corporation or a company behind him to get things done. He was able to bust-up Superman's crib and nearly destroy the world with just the help of Kitty and Kumar.

[Xybernauts]

Spacey's Lex Luthor was such a badass that he didn't need a corporation or a company behind him to get things done. He was able to bust-up Superman's crib and nearly destroy the world with just the help of Kitty and Kumar.

Yeah, all he needed was to date an old woman that was probably old enough to be his grandma and wait till she died to get her money.

Even worse was his plan. I mean seriously, even if he succeeded in creating that landmass from the crystals and all of the east coast was flooded making it uninhabitable, I mean what makes him think anybody would pay him to live there. What would prevent the US military or any military from just taking it from him? And why wouldn't they, I mean technically Lex would be a terrorist by any def. His plan is half assed.

At least Smallville Lex is a self-made man who rose to the top of his own merits, as ruthless and immoral as they might be. And his plans are well thought out.

I think Lex had a pretty good plan in Superman 4 though.

[The Batman]

You know, I'm not sure that being the son of a billionaire qualifies as "rose to the top of his own merits" exactly.

And yeah, Lex explained what would happen should the rest of the world try and take that continent from him: "advanced alien technology, thousands of years ahead of anything they'd be throwing at me" or something like that. I mean, the crystal technology was causing massive EMPs when it was booting up, who know what it could do when it was trying to be destructive.

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

Who would look more believable doing the "world made of cardboard",speech-Welling or Routh?

[Xybernauts]

You know, I'm not sure that being the son of a billionaire qualifies as "rose to the top of his own merits" exactly.

And yeah, Lex explained what would happen should the rest of the world try and take that continent from him: "advanced alien technology, thousands of years ahead of anything they'd be throwing at me" or something like that. I mean, the crystal technology was causing massive EMPs when it was booting up, who know what it could do when it was trying to be destructive.

But Lex wasn't handed Luthor Corp, he took in by framing his father and a number of other intelligent corperate political maneuvers.

Don't remember the EMP thing. I remember the crystals drew power from other power sources, but nothing about emps.

Who would look more believable doing the "world made of cardboard",speech-Welling or Routh?

Don't remember the cardboard speech either.

You know, i also get the impression Singer recruited James Marsden on purpose. From the way it looked, James Marsden was supposed to do X-Men Last Stand, and he changed movies mid-session for a 2 bit part in Superman Returns, destroying Last Stand and the Phoenix storyline in the process. Does anyone know what really happened?


Although, i think James Marsden might play a bigger role in the next Superman movie assuming they maintain the continuity. Maybe James Marsden's character is really an alien and the superkid is really his son.

[NotSuper]

I thought SR was a good movie (but not great) that lacked a few important elements. I think it came off more as a tribute to the Donner film than its own movie. To be honest, it seemed more like the LAST Superman movie, more than a franchise restart. By that I mean it felt like the last adventure the Donner Superman would have, a sort of RETURN OF THE JEDI, but many years later.

Still, SR is better than SMALLVILLE has ever been. SMALLVILLE at its best isn't as good as SR.

[Jake V]

Say what you want about being a deadbeat dad or a stalker...

He saved the shit out of that plane.

[pariah-1972]

Hated SR it was boring and stupid and poorly acted by Routh.

Just because you look like Reeves doesn't mean you can act like him !

[CMBMOOL]

It was an okay film with an okay plot. :tongue:

[666MasterOfPuppets]

You know, I'm not sure that being the son of a billionaire qualifies as "rose to the top of his own merits" exactly.

And yeah, Lex explained what would happen should the rest of the world try and take that continent from him: "advanced alien technology, thousands of years ahead of anything they'd be throwing at me" or something like that. I mean, the crystal technology was causing massive EMPs when it was booting up, who know what it could do when it was trying to be destructive.

Yes, I remember. Spacey's Luthor rules.

[1WEBHEAD]

It was pretty boring and lame.

Unlike Batman Begins, it tried to hard to imitate something instead of oging out and being it's own thing.

2/5

At least X-men: The Last Stand was entertaining.

[HaroldAllnut]

Say what you want about being a deadbeat dad or a stalker... He saved the shit out of that plane.

Although I didn't care for the movie, you make a damn fine point.

[KryptonianFan315]

Who would look more believable doing the "world made of cardboard",speech-Welling or Routh?

I have to say Welling, as much as I dislike Smallville as it is today (used to love it) Tom Welling should be this generations Superman, Chris Reeves litterally passed the torch to him.

[pariah-1972]

One thing i did like about SR was that Metropolis looked like a great place to live and work.
I can't say the same about the ones in the original which seemed a little too gritty.

[Will.S]

The movie has some deep flaws but overall I still managed to really enjoy it.

[Dr. Banner]

You know, I'm not sure that being the son of a billionaire qualifies as "rose to the top of his own merits" exactly.

And yeah, Lex explained what would happen should the rest of the world try and take that continent from him: "advanced alien technology, thousands of years ahead of anything they'd be throwing at me" or something like that. I mean, the crystal technology was causing massive EMPs when it was booting up, who know what it could do when it was trying to be destructive.

It's still stupid. Who's going to run that technology? Kumar? When was he going to set it up, when the planes were dropping bombs on him?

Sheesh, it was a stupid, silly plot made up by people who don't get Superman or even basic logic.

Singerman fails again!

[Dr. Banner]

The movie has some deep flaws but overall I still managed to really enjoy it.

Were you a little drunk when you watched it? Is that it?

[King Krypton]

I have to say Welling, as much as I dislike Smallville as it is today (used to love it) Tom Welling should be this generations Superman, Chris Reeves litterally passed the torch to him.

So Welling's stated refusal to play the adult Superman should be disregarded?

I don't understand the "Welling is the rightful Superman because Reeve 'passed the torch' to him" school of thought. Welling's said many times that he doesn't want to be the full-blown Superman. Michael Rosenbaum recently said as much when discussing his departure from the show. Personally, I have no use for Welling, but I do think his decision should be respected. If he says he doesn't want to be Superman, then there's no room for debate or protest. He doesn't want it. End of story. To constantly insist that he should be made to do it purely for fan-fabricated reasons is pretty unfair to him, I think.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

So Welling's stated refusal to play the adult Superman should be disregarded?

I don't understand the "Welling is the rightful Superman because Reeve 'passed the torch' to him" school of thought. Welling's said many times that he doesn't want to be the full-blown Superman. Michael Rosenbaum recently said as much when discussing his departure from the show. Personally, I have no use for Welling, but I do think his decision should be respected. If he says he doesn't want to be Superman, then there's no room for debate or protest. He doesn't want it. End of story. To constantly insist that he should be made to do it purely for fan-fabricated reasons is pretty unfair to him, I think.

And Chris Reeve's appearances in Smallville didn't mean that he "passed the torch" to him. That statement doesn't hold water.

They were appearances made as a nod to the fans and as a recognition to Reeve's role in Superman's live-action history.

[KryptonianFan315]

And Chris Reeve's appearances in Smallville didn't mean that he "passed the torch" to him. That statement doesn't hold water.

They were appearances made as a nod to the fans and as a recognition to Reeve's role in Superman's live-action history.

Watch the special features, Chris Reeves himself said this was a "passing of the torch." I'm not sure where he says he never wants to wear the suit, I have heard he is under contract for Smallville and that is why he can't do any of the movies yet, but that contract is up at the end of next season (3 seasons late)

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Watch the special features, Chris Reeves himself said this was a "passing of the torch." I'm not sure where he says he never wants to wear the suit, I have heard he is under contract for Smallville and that is why he can't do any of the movies yet, but that contract is up at the end of next season (3 seasons late)

Is that so? I'll have to check that out.

As for him not wanting to don the cape, yes, I've read it somewhere myself.

In any case, I don't see him as Superman.

[Dr. Banner]

Welling's modesty is only further proof of just how much of a Superman he really is. Not like the blowhard BJ Routh who's going around to people bragging all the time about being a celebrity now.

[KryptonianFan315]

Is that so? I'll have to check that out.

As for him not wanting to don the cape, yes, I've read it somewhere myself.

In any case, I don't see him as Superman.

When he finishes the show and can't get any other part other than some bad guy in a slasher movie he will rethink his decision not to don the cape, and when the first movie blows SR out of the water on ticket sales he will be forced to do others.

[Dr. Banner]

Watch the special features, Chris Reeves himself said this was a "passing of the torch." I'm not sure where he says he never wants to wear the suit, I have heard he is under contract for Smallville and that is why he can't do any of the movies yet, but that contract is up at the end of next season (3 seasons late)

The fact that Reeves passed the torch on to Welling and not Routh IMO speaks VOLUMES.

Welling is the Superman of our generation and he doesn't even need the suit to do it.

[KryptonianFan315]

The fact that Reeves passed the torch on to Welling and not Routh IMO speaks VOLUMES.

Welling is the Superman of our generation and he doesn't even need the suit to do it.

I disagree, Welling could be the Superman of our generation, but he NEEDS to actually be Superman. Right now he is just the Clark Kent of our generation, and quite frankly he took that from Dean Caine......

[Zero Hunter]

For me Superman Returns was good movie right up until after he saved the plane. After that it was just bad. I mean they basiclly just retold Superman the movie with a few updates. And don't even get me started on Superkid. I know they were trying to pay homage to the Donner films, but all they really did was try and retell them, and they did it very very poorly.

And both Donner and Singer got Lex Luthor so damn wrong it wasn't even funny.

[Dr. Banner]

I disagree, Welling could be the Superman of our generation, but he NEEDS to actually be Superman. Right now he is just the Clark Kent of our generation, and quite frankly he took that from Dean Caine......

It's a testament to Welling, or a condemnation of Routh, that the Smallville star, even without the costume or the chance to play the character fully formed has still become "Superman" for our generation.

Whatever Singer saw in Routh, it was clearly the wrong stuff.

[Dr. Banner]

What could be?

What should be.


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Welling.jpg

[pariah-1972]

What could be?

What should be.


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Welling.jpg

Whats with the hair?

[Dr. Banner]

That's called wind blowing through hair.

Welling isn't afraid to get his hair mussed in the line of duty; unlike that primadonna Routh and his perfectly in place plastic head.

[KryptonianFan315]

It's a testament to Welling, or a condemnation of Routh, that the Smallville star, even without the costume or the chance to play the character fully formed has still become "Superman" for our generation.

Whatever Singer saw in Routh, it was clearly the wrong stuff.

I think your being pretty tough on Routh, he had a really crappy script to work with, story line that fell flat, (like a previous post said movie was good till after the plane scene). I would way prefer Welling to be Superman but Routh did a decent job with what he had.

[pariah-1972]

I think your being pretty tough on Routh, he had a really crappy script to work with, story line that fell flat, (like a previous post said movie was good till after the plane scene). I would way prefer Welling to be Superman but Routh did a decent job with what he had.I don't think Routh did as much as he could i felt like he was coasting a lot.

[joe27]

fuckin hated that movie, and a rubber doll could have given a better performance as lois lane.

lois is iconic too, and casting that broad in the part was as bad as if a balding, blinky, manorexic with a helium voice & gimp leg from polio was cast as superman.

she should be plucky and lovable. fuck, margot kidder might not have been much to look at, but she had lois attributes in spades.

[NeoStar9X]

I didn't dislike Superman Returns. The more I watch it the more I like it however it is disappointing though. I wish it had been more of it's own movie instead of relying so heavyly on the Donner films. That was it's biggest downfall. There wasn't any attempt to make the film stand on it's own. The only thing from the Donner film I would have kept would have been the Marlon Brando footage and that's it.

As for the voting. I'd take Brandon Routh over Tom Welling. Routh makes a better Superman and Clark I feel.

Michael Rosenbaum did wonders with Lex over the last few years. I like Kevin Spacey as an actor but he lost out here.

I'd Erica Durance over Kate Bosworth as well. Durance's Lois reminds me a lot of Teri Hatcher's Lois. Though I could be bias since I loved the Lois and Clark series when it aired.

Superman Returns had the better Metropolis as well I feel.

[NotSuper]

Welling isn't afraid to get his hair mussed in the line of duty; unlike that primadonna Routh and his perfectly in place plastic head.
.....What the hell are you talking about?

Seriously, how do you know what the actors think? And the fact that you need to justify your dislike by claiming Routh is some primadonna (which has never been suggested by anyone around him) is both irrational and sad. You come off as more of a parody than an actual poster, as any points you've made are lost in a sea of unjustified and unneeded ad hominem attacks.

Christ, it's like listening to someone on the DC message boards, or an AOL chat room.

Needless to say, this is the first and last I'll ever respond to you, but I urge you to grow up a little, and perhaps be less of a cliche.

[Xybernauts]

.....What the hell are you talking about?

Seriously, how do you know what the actors think? And the fact that you need to justify your dislike by claiming Routh is some primadonna (which has never been suggested by anyone around him) is both irrational and sad. You come off as more of a parody than an actual poster, as any points you've made are lost in a sea of unjustified and unneeded ad hominem attacks.

Christ, it's like listening to someone on the DC message boards, or an AOL chat room.

Needless to say, this is the first and last I'll ever respond to you, but I urge you to grow up a little, and perhaps be less of a cliche.

That's called wind blowing through hair.

Welling isn't afraid to get his hair mussed in the line of duty; unlike that primadonna Routh and his perfectly in place plastic head.

I think your being pretty tough on Routh, he had a really crappy script to work with, story line that fell flat, (like a previous post said movie was good till after the plane scene). I would way prefer Welling to be Superman but Routh did a decent job with what he had.

While I don't agree with how he phrases his comments, I have to say , I do agree with Dr. Banner's sentiment. One's thing I really didn't like about Routh was the fact that he came across as too "metrosexual"; and I mean this in a bad sissy type way. I'm not talking about how Routh is in real life, that's his business. I mean how he comes across on the screen. I mean he doesn't come across as someone who comes from a farming background at all. that's one of the things I particularly like about Reeve and Welling; they had a certain toughness to their character that worked especially when they got into fights. You could see the fight in them. Routh on the other hand came across as though he had no fight in him. You see this especially when he arrives at the crystal landmass and finds out he has been weakened by kryptonite. The way he was getting pushed around by Lex's thugs made him seem so lifeless. Both Welling and Reeve have had plenty of scenes where they were weakened by kryptonite and left vulnerable while fighting a foe, but they never came across as so complacent. It was so disheartening for me. To me Superman's powers are just a tool. Even without his powers, i think Superman is supposed to be somewhat formidable. I know he was out numbered, so I don't expect him to win in that particular scene; but at least come across as though you have some dignity while going down.

[PKIronMan]

I'm fairly dissapointed with both renditions myself. If I had to, must, absolutely had no choice and forced to choose... Superman Returns by the slightest hair.

[King Krypton]

The fact that Reeves passed the torch on to Welling and not Routh IMO speaks VOLUMES.

Yeah, who cares that Reeve died before Routh was even cast? Why should that little factoid get in the the fan of egotisitical fan demands that Welling be forced to play a role he's been open about not wanting? I mean, it's not like Reeve dying before Routh ever entered the picture should count for anything. :rolleyes:

Look, I am no Routh supporter by any stretch. But this is babyman selfishness at its worst. To claim that Reeve's death before Routh's casting "speaks volumes" about who he personally wanted as his successor is beyond stupid. And again, it's a willful and deliberate ignorance of Welling's decision not to play the adult Superman. This has nothing to do with Reeve and his choices; he died before there was any chance he could see what Routh had to offer. This all boils down to babymen selfishly trying to prop up their sacred cow on a pedestal at all costs, even while disregarding and disrespecting the wishes of said sacred cow.

[KryptonianFan315]

Yeah, who cares that Reeve died before Routh was even cast? Why should that little factoid get in the the fan of egotisitical fan demands that Welling be forced to play a role he's been open about not wanting? I mean, it's not like Reeve dying before Routh ever entered the picture should count for anything. :rolleyes:

Look, I am no Routh supporter by any stretch. But this is babyman selfishness at its worst. To claim that Reeve's death before Routh's casting "speaks volumes" about who he personally wanted as his successor is beyond stupid. And again, it's a willful and deliberate ignorance of Welling's decision not to play the adult Superman. This has nothing to do with Reeve and his choices; he died before there was any chance he could see what Routh had to offer. This all boils down to babymen selfishly trying to prop up their sacred cow on a pedestal at all costs, even while disregarding and disrespecting the wishes of said sacred cow.

Didn't his wife meet with Routh before she died and gave her approval? Bottom line is your right, if Wellings wanted the role they would have found a way for him to take it. He wants to be a serious actor, not Superman. To me I would love to be known as Superman to a generation of people, like Chris Reeves is to me. To each his own.