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Ringslinger76
07-07-2008, 07:47 PM
Ok... DC and Marvel both do them but lets look at DC and analyze what they do well, what they don't, and give DC a final grade.

My take is this:

Negatives:
DC loves space and time altering crossovers. As much as I love Crisis on the Infinite Earths for the most part these type of events don't allow some of DC's most beloved characters to do anything important. Think about what made some of Grant Morrison's early JLA arcs so fun. Batman saving everyone's ass against the white martians! Morrison actually did a great job giving most of the JLA a spotlight. However in these mega events Batman is usually regulated to the 4th Ghostbuster spot. He was worthless in Zero Hour, Final Night, Underworld Unleashed, Infinite Crisis, 52, and he is already off the table in Final Crisis. Marvel does a better job of giving their A listers important roles and face time in their big events. Civil War: Cap vs Iron Man and Spidey outs himself; Secret Invasion: Spider Woman is a Skrull, Everyone vs Everyone in the Savage Land, and Nick Fury Returns; World War Hulk: Hulk vs Everybody! The point is in those stories Marvel's big players are well.. big players. DC creates stories where only a Spectre or Hal/Parralax have enough power to make a difference.

DC uses mega events too often to "fix" continuity rather than tell a good story. In fact sometimes I get the feeling that the story comes after what editorial wants to accomplish. "Hey we need to get rid of Superboy and introduce a new Batwoman." "Well lets write us a mega event." "Hawkman is confusing and the JSA should be older." "We can fix that too."

DC also likes to use mega events to force character revamps on readers rather than making existing characters shine. People read comics because somewhere they have a favorite character. Superboy is someone's favorite, Batgirl is someone's favorite, and Blue Beetle is someone's favorite. No one wants to buy a mega event to see his/her favorite bite the bullet. Eventually everyone's favorite is dead (except for Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman) and more people leave the hobby angry. Any character that lasts more than a decade is a good character; a character that lasts more than 5 (Ted Kord) is a classic and if he isn't selling its because of writing and editorial, not the character. A poor musician blames his/her instrument.

Positives:

No one does Sci Fi concepts better than DC. Time travel, parrallel dimensions, and interplanetary emergency is done best at DC.

DC always pays off big for long time fans. Komandi is getting face time in Final Crisis and we're getting a tale about 3 versions of the Legion of Superheroes.

DC does always fix something... maybe not everything.. but something. (Now if they'd quit breaking things we wouldn't need things fixed.)

Third tier characters do get a chance to shine every once and a while. Elongated Man in 52.. now that was cool. Who thought Booster would ever be important again?

Final Eval: C+

Best efforts: 52, Sinestro Corps, Crisis on the Infinite Earths

See me after class: Countdown, Amazons Attack, Zero Hour.

I'd love to hear other people's thoughts... unless its just to argue with me... I'm old and unlikely to change my mind, but I love to hear other opinions. Gail, I would be honored to hear what you think. I know you can't openly bash the work of others but any thoughts you may have would be fun.

Its summer and my wife won't talk comics with me. Help me people.

NickThompson
07-07-2008, 07:54 PM
Because they don't do recap pages, I found DC events can be quite hard for me to get into. I'm not saying they're badly written, it's around the writing that is the problem.


Also, I think they're marketed quite badly. Marvel announces an event and they tell you what it's about and they go off and do TV appearences, viral stuff, webcomics, free online prologues.......DC just announce it and don't neccesarily push what it actually is. They need to bring it to me as such, rather than expecting me to go to them.

Ringslinger76
07-07-2008, 07:59 PM
Nick that is very astute... I agree about the recap pages and I'll add that the Final Crisis covers seem terribly suited to bring in outside readers. Was Hal even important in the first issue? Was Barry important in issue 2? What do those covers tell new readers about the story? Secret Invasion covers at least make me look at them.

stamen
07-07-2008, 09:57 PM
Nick that is very astute... I agree about the recap pages and I'll add that the Final Crisis covers seem terribly suited to bring in outside readers.

I thought exactly the same thing... so the real question would be, "Why?"

Why put out a major book with banal covers. Marvel made Civil War the same.

TCJohnson
07-07-2008, 10:23 PM
No one does Sci Fi concepts better than DC. Time travel, parrallel dimensions, and interplanetary emergency is done best at DC.


After reading Annihilation, I gotta disagree with this one.

KevinTBrown
07-07-2008, 10:24 PM
Postives: DC ain't Marvel.

:biggrin:

Kevinroc
07-07-2008, 10:39 PM
Postives: DC ain't Marvel.

:biggrin:

I think a majority of comic fans would consider that a negative. :wink:

d newton
07-08-2008, 01:48 AM
However in these mega events Batman is usually regulated to the 4th Ghostbuster spot. He was worthless in Zero Hour, Final Night, Underworld Unleashed, Infinite Crisis, 52, and he is already off the table in Final Crisis.
I think you're missing the point about Batman being worthless in the mega events - he wouldn't have stood a chance against Hal / Parallax or Neron along with most of his family (Nightwing, Robin et al).

ninjapeps
07-08-2008, 04:13 AM
After reading Annihilation, I gotta disagree with this one.

I don't know about time travel and parallel dimensions but I definitely agree when it comes to interplanetary emergencies. The Annihilation Wave wiped out what? Hundreds of worlds before finally being stopped? The Sinestro Corps attacked Earth and Oa and failed to conquer either.

Lester C.
07-08-2008, 05:11 AM
Until Infinite Crisis and One Year Later drove me away I was always a DC guy. Now I'm a trade only and pre Infinite Crisis back issue guy. And will remain because after Infinite Crisis and One Year Later nothing is going to bring me back in the fold. Nothing.

Ringslinger76
07-08-2008, 06:17 AM
d newton, I have to disagree with you. You'd have a point if it were the Super Friends version of Batman who gives up when he looses his utility belt, but the DCU Batman is never out of his league ever. That is the character they've built in his monthlies and in JLA. Also, Bats was my primary example, but not the only character in that position.
I'm not saying every mega event should be weaker powered hero friendly, but more characters should have moments to shine or be important than Superman and the Spectre. I don't really see how anyone can refute that.

Agent Helix
07-08-2008, 06:19 AM
I don't really care for either, but I'd say Marvel's big events are far more coherent and focused than whatever it is DC has been doing the past ten or so years.

KevinTBrown
07-08-2008, 06:28 AM
I think a majority of comic fans would consider that a negative. :wink:
Majority of the retailers would for sure.

(Remember, sales reflect what the retailers buy, not the fans...)

Agent Helix
07-08-2008, 06:29 AM
(Remember, sales reflect what the retailers buy, not the fans...)

This is sort of a disingenuous statement, since if retailers are buying more Marvel comics than DC, it's almost logically infallible to say that it's because fans are doing the same.

d newton
07-08-2008, 10:41 PM
I'm not saying every mega event should be weaker powered hero friendly, but more characters should have moments to shine or be important than Superman and the Spectre. I don't really see how anyone can refute that.
Taking Underworld Unleashed as a example - which group of heroes would Batman be better on to fight Neron and the various super villains with increased powers:
A - the group with powers? (e.g Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel)
B - the group without powers? (e.g Huntress, Nightwing)