Ultimate Origins #2? (Possible Spoilers)

[hunter_peterson]

Is it out yet?:confused: I could have sworn it came out on the second...

If so, spoilers, please.

[ThePhenom]

Postponed until next week for retailers.

[hunter_peterson]

Well goddamn it.

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

CBR has a preview. Looks cool. Introduction of Ultimate Wendell Vaughn.

[datriadx18]

CBR has a preview. Looks cool. Introduction of Ultimate Wendell Vaughn.

what he said

[Babykhris]

CBR has a preview. Looks cool. Introduction of Ultimate Wendell Vaughn.


Actually Wendell Vaughn was introduced in Ultimate Power min-series.

[Vapour Trail]

so is that thing The Watcher?

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

Actually Wendell Vaughn was introduced in Ultimate Power min-series.

My bad. I skipped that. Not so eagerly waiting for the trade.

[Beast]

At least we know what that thing sticking out of the ice in Ultimate Origins #1 is now.

[hunter_peterson]

Can we have a link for that?

[ColdFury]

I know its not going to happen, but I just keep praying for Ultimate Quasar. Any time now guys. Please?

[HeckBoy]

Nevermind about my post. Didn't read the above posts >.<

[Ramirez IV]

I think Quasar will happen, but probably not in Origins.

And boy that 'Watcher' is creepy... This all looks good.

[Seraku]

good issue, I like how Bendis remembered all the sutff Millar built up in Ultimates and keeps true to it.

[ThePhenom]

I was actually pretty dissappointed with this issue, the series isn't forming into much of an ongoing story at this stage.

[desanth]

The issue starts out with the Fantastic Four at Project Pegasus located in Devil's Point, Wyoming. They are called to this mountain complex by Carol Danvers due to a problem there. The director of project Pegasus doesn't know about Fury being gone. The complex houses objects of mysterious origin or unexplained power that the US has gotten over the years. The problem the FF were brought in for is a totem pole like object with an eye on one of its faces that has started glowing red. Ben asks, "Is it lookin' at us?"

Flashback to NYC, 1942, where Steve Rogers is watching a news reel of current war activities. He meets Gail there who is with Pat Loika who enlisted. Steve walks out and goes to the recruitment office as everyone is listening to the news. Its his umpteenth time going in only to be rejected because he failed the physical. The recruiter is rejecting him again when Ultimate Sergeant Dugan of the US Army walks in and asks for Rogers to have a word and then takes him to Project Rebirth which is conveniently located in the same building as the recruitment office(also the same place where they got jail cells for black test subjects). Dugan introduces Rogers to Dr. Erskine who is the same doc from last issue. They show some operations they perform on Rogers before the super soldier formula injection and notes he has on the project. Before the injection of the SS formula, he is told about aliens working with the Nazis and Japs.

Rogers is test subject 55 and he is injected with the formula. Rogers reacts to the formula and blows the place apart like Fury did. He is then shot in the shoulder by a traitorous soldier who believes in Hitler's cause and as Erskine rushes to Rogers, he is shot dead in the head. Rogers then stops the traitor and looks down to see the other scientists crying for a medic. Back on the platform there is now the totem pole(discussed above) The red glowing eye is there, could this be the Ultimate Watcher?

FDR visits Steve and gives him a motivational talk. In it, he says that the doctor's notes were incomplete, half the notes were in his head, so now Rogers was one of a kind. He says that Rogers has to stop this war, otherwise they'd have to use a bomb that kills everything and he doesn't want to commit genocide. He just can't have that on his soul. Next Rogers gives flowers to Gail and they say that they love each other. It seems that Steve was about to say he'd like to marry her when he gets back but Gail tells him to say it when he does get back. She asks, "When are you coming back?"

"When I'm done." in a two page spread of Cap leading an attack from a beach against enemy troops, with massage amounts of planes, blimps, and ships in the background.

[Last_Avenger]

Was he dating Gail BEFORE the SS Serum injections? If not, Loeb screwed up continuity again!

Also, didn't Dugan make an appearance in UXM blockbuster at the end warning the X-Men not to anger anymore humans after Phoenix killed all those humans?

anyways, I hate to ruin this for people, just ignore me, I'm really hating on Loeb right now, but please no one take offense at me.

[LawGiver]

Was he dating Gail BEFORE the SS Serum injections? If not, Loeb screwed up continuity again!

Also, didn't Dugan make an appearance in UXM blockbuster at the end warning the X-Men not to anger anymore humans after Phoenix killed all those humans?

anyways, I hate to ruin this for people, just ignore me, I'm really hating on Loeb right now, but please no one take offense at me.

It just comes off kinda stupid in a thread where Loeb isn't even mentioned, don't make this like the Spider-Man board where every discussion eventually leads back to same tired argument.

[Last_Avenger]

It just comes off kinda stupid in a thread where Loeb isn't even mentioned, don't make this like the Spider-Man board where every discussion eventually leads back to same tired argument.

Yeah, I know what you mean, I'm just bitter. Everyone ignore the decimation of the UU!

[desanth]

Was he dating Gail BEFORE the SS Serum injections? If not, Loeb screwed up continuity again!

Also, didn't Dugan make an appearance in UXM blockbuster at the end warning the X-Men not to anger anymore humans after Phoenix killed all those humans?

anyways, I hate to ruin this for people, just ignore me, I'm really hating on Loeb right now, but please no one take offense at me.

Well Loeb didn't write this, Bendis did. It seems he wasn't dating Gail as it seems they hadn't seen each other in a while. Might as well mention though that there might have been a time gap between first being recruited as a test subject and getting injected, like I said earlier, he had operations performed on him and he was on steroids too. Rogers also had a limp beforehand and walked with a cane. As for Dugan, who knows, maybe this is the same guy just as Nick Fury seems to be the same guy as in Origins. My own thoughts leapt to him being an alien maybe, with a long lifespan(something like from MIB), we'll just have to wait and see.

Oh yea, I liked Carol Danvers' haircut in this more than in USM, its much more Sam Carter from SG-1 and she reminds me of GI Jane with it. That might seem odd, but its just something I really wanted to point out since it does make a big difference to me.

[DeadXMan]

I liked this better in Captain America #1

and I don't care for Ult Watcher

[Weapon Ick]

I don't understand how the Watcher works. I thought he was one dude who watched over all realities of one sector of the universe. Like Uatu watches Earth 616 and 617 and 28 and so on. So that would include the ultimate universe right? I thought he just existed in all realities simultaneously. Or does he just live in the 616 and watch the other realities on his TVs? Shouldn't the Ulitmate Watcher be the same person as 616 Watcher?

I thought that thing might possibly be the Ultimate Ultimate Nullifier but then I remembered there's already been and Ultimate Ultimate Nullifier. I think it is the Ultimate Watcher though.

[Uproar]

I really hope this is not gonna turn out that all superhumans are derived from some experiments with Aliens and the Ultimate Watcher is an Alien watching over the results.

[Splatt]

I don't understand how the Watcher works. I thought he was one dude who watched over all realities of one sector of the universe. Like Uatu watches Earth 616 and 617 and 28 and so on. So that would include the ultimate universe right? I thought he just existed in all realities simultaneously. Or does he just live in the 616 and watch the other realities on his TVs? Shouldn't the Ulitmate Watcher be the same person as 616 Watcher?

Perhaps he takes different shapes in other universes?

[StoneGold]

I don't understand how the Watcher works. I thought he was one dude who watched over all realities of one sector of the universe. Like Uatu watches Earth 616 and 617 and 28 and so on. So that would include the ultimate universe right? I thought he just existed in all realities simultaneously. Or does he just live in the 616 and watch the other realities on his TVs? Shouldn't the Ulitmate Watcher be the same person as 616 Watcher?


Nope, if anything because Uatu has counterparts in those alternate dimensions. Because in at least one What If, he dies, and our Uatu comments on it. So while Uatu is only the Watcher of Earth 616, he can peak in on other dimensions. But he is not their Watcher. Assuming that universe has a Watcher, or even a concept of them.

[StoneGold]

In any event, the main weakness of this issue was that Captain America's origin is too solid an origin. In that this was damn near 616 Cap's origin, to a tee. Except Cap has a limp, like he did in the '90 movie.

[carabas]

I think it was a gross mistake, assigning a number to the Ultimate Universe, making it just another alternate dime a dozen paralel world that fits into main Marvel continuity.

I it probably is the Ultimate Watcher, triggerin on the creation of the very first superhuman, and he's probably going to be as similar to Uatu as Ult. Gah-Lac-Tus was to Galan.

[StoneGold]

I think it was a gross mistake, assigning a number to the Ultimate Universe, making it just another alternate dime a dozen paralel world that fits into main Marvel continuity.

Except numbers in Marvel don't mean squat. Never have, outside of Captain Britain stories. Hell, the whole numbering phenomenon is real recent, anyway. The only importance to it is what you put into it, because Marvel sure has hell doesn't. This ain't Infinite Earths, y'dig?

[Last_Avenger]

Well Loeb didn't write this, Bendis did. It seems he wasn't dating Gail as it seems they hadn't seen each other in a while. Might as well mention though that there might have been a time gap between first being recruited as a test subject and getting injected, like I said earlier, he had operations performed on him and he was on steroids too. Rogers also had a limp beforehand and walked with a cane. As for Dugan, who knows, maybe this is the same guy just as Nick Fury seems to be the same guy as in Origins. My own thoughts leapt to him being an alien maybe, with a long lifespan(something like from MIB), we'll just have to wait and see.

Bendis, really? Man, my ignorance and dumbness know no bounds this time around.

Oh, and as far the Dugan, I just had a realization: SKRULLS!!!!

[carabas]

Except numbers in Marvel don't mean squat. Never have, outside of Captain Britain stories. Hell, the whole numbering phenomenon is real recent, anyway. The only importance to it is what you put into it, because Marvel sure has hell doesn't. This ain't Infinite Earths, y'dig?Well, as discussed above, making the UU part of the regular MU also makes Uatu technically part of the UU, making this new Ult; Watcher (if that's what it is) technically a continuity error.

[ULTIMATE VENOM]

Hold on, isnt the Watcher an Inhuman? Maybe the Inhumans sent it their a long time ago or somthing. I mean we havent seen the Inhumans since UF4 Annuel.

[carabas]

No, the Watcher isn't an Inhuman. He just used to be their neighbour for a while. The Watchers are an entire race of beings, not one dude who lives on the moon.

[Vapour Trail]

Well by the Ultimate Universe being in the large multiverse, it is conceivable it was sent by Peter Porker, the Spectacular Spider-Ham.

[MaxofSteel]

Well by the Ultimate Universe being in the large multiverse, it is conceivable it was sent by Peter Porker, the Spectacular Spider-Ham.

This is what will happen.

[timomcshade]

Was he dating Gail BEFORE the SS Serum injections? If not, Loeb screwed up continuity again!

Also, didn't Dugan make an appearance in UXM blockbuster at the end warning the X-Men not to anger anymore humans after Phoenix killed all those humans?


I believe he was dating Gail before the SS. If not then Bendis just jumped forward a bit. Either way Millar set that relationship up in The Ultimates so Bendis is just working with that.

The X-Men arc you are talking about is the "Blockbuster" arc where some rogue Weapon X soldiers try to take out Wolverine while he is away from the X-Men after being kicked off the team by Cyke at the end of Millar's Run. At the end of Millar's run he had the X-Men under control and funded by S.H.I.E.L.D. and Cap gave Logan the wedding ring that had his name on it. This was after Cyke kicked him off the team for trying to kill him just so he could have Jean all to himself. Logan went away and Weapon X attacked him so he hid in Peter Parker's basement and Spider-Man and Daredevil helped him fight those agents and then Spidey called the X-Men to get Wolverine back to the mansion. When at the mansion he was getting a verbal pounding from Jean when Weapon X showed up again so she changed into Phoenix and blew up the helicopter. Dugan appeared after that and said watch it. He also appeared earlier in the arc to introduce himself as Fury specifically assigned him to watch the X-Men.

Phew I think I got that straight.

[Last_Avenger]

I believe he was dating Gail before the SS. If not then Bendis just jumped forward a bit. Either way Millar set that relationship up in The Ultimates so Bendis is just working with that.

The X-Men arc you are talking about is the "Blockbuster" arc where some rogue Weapon X soldiers try to take out Wolverine while he is away from the X-Men after being kicked off the team by Cyke at the end of Millar's Run. At the end of Millar's run he had the X-Men under control and funded by S.H.I.E.L.D. and Cap gave Logan the wedding ring that had his name on it. This was after Cyke kicked him off the team for trying to kill him just so he could have Jean all to himself. Logan went away and Weapon X attacked him so he hid in Peter Parker's basement and Spider-Man and Daredevil helped him fight those agents and then Spidey called the X-Men to get Wolverine back to the mansion. When at the mansion he was getting a verbal pounding from Jean when Weapon X showed up again so she changed into Phoenix and blew up the helicopter. Dugan appeared after that and said watch it. He also appeared earlier in the arc to introduce himself as Fury specifically assigned him to watch the X-Men.

Phew I think I got that straight.

Yep, just speed read the TPB, accurate!

hm, these non-aging guys aren't bugging me the way they usually would... Lost has numbed to people who don't age!

[Scorpion13]

Am I the only one here who had no clue what the hell was going on in most of this?

I mean, it was even worse in the first one.

Nice appearance of Ultimate Citizen V, though. Too bad they shot him to bits, though.

[ultimate hulk]

all the ageless people i can think of.
ultimate namor,captain america,nick fury,wolverine,and the hulk since he took caps blood into himself.
i know i know namor isn't part of the super serum equation,but unlike his slow aging 616 counterpart,the guy has lived for over 9000 years.i couldn't help mentioning him.:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[carabas]

Namor was in suspended animation for pretty much all of that 9000 years though.

[ultimate hulk]

ultimate namor was only hibernating/sleeping my friend.when bears go into hibernation,what do u think is happening? do u think it's supended animation?
of course not,they're only sleeping.

supended animation is a death state.(ultimate cap)

anyway,there's no way ultimate namor can be slowing aging.if he was slow aging,he would have been dead already.because people still age while they sleep.there's no way a slow aging person can live for 9000 years.

he's been imprison for so long,his only choice was hibernation.
the guy's immortal.:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[Bowie1979]

I found this issue a little dull. It really doesn't tell us much that we didn't already know regarding Cap. The first issue at least had some intrigue regarding Fury and Wolverine