Would you buy an elseworlds book with a gay Superman? [Archive]

suttercain

07-04-2008, 11:41 AM

With Superman elseword tales it is always a hit or miss. Red Son was awesome. The Nail was pretty good and how about Kingdom Come (JLA, I know). But there have been total disasters like the Superman Monster and the mediocre Superman: Kal.

What about an elseworld book with a gay Superman? He could date Lewis Lane. The only reason I ask is because when Superman Returns came out all the conservative news groups labeled the Brandon Routh Superman as a gay one (Just because of Bryan Singer).

Would you buy a gay Superman book if it was written tastefully?

JohnShil

07-04-2008, 11:49 AM

I have no problem reading about a gay Superman, but I don't think making him gay is enough of a reason for an Elseworlds book, even a one-shot. And we only have 52 universes to work with now, can't be wasting them.

MaxofSteel

07-04-2008, 11:57 AM

suttercain

07-04-2008, 04:06 PM

I'm not sure what would really be different in this particular elseworlds, aside from the whole gay aspect. I mean, it would basically be making Superman gay for the sake of him being gay and no other reason. It would have to serve an actual purpose in order for me to be interested enough to read it.

I respectfully disagree. I think you can look a lot deeper into the character of a gay superman besides just being a 'gay superman'.

What is the last social accepted group of people to be discriminated against? We have numerous politicians backing constitutional changes to prohibit equal rights to this group. I think you could have a deep story about a Superhero who protects a country (and world) that hates who he really is. This would be a character who is fighting for all men and women while those he seeks to help seek to make him a second class citizen.

Basically take X-Men, change mutants versus humans into gay superhero versus humans.

cactusmaac

07-04-2008, 04:15 PM

The guy's already a super-powered alien who is the last of his kind. That makes him much more of an outsider than simply preferring men as sexual partners.

DonEMC

07-04-2008, 04:32 PM

So, what would the Elseworlds story be called, "Superman's boyfriend, Jimmy Olsen?" C'mon, should this really be a topic? To me, it sounds like you're trying to make an issue of something that's not storyworthy or, you're trying to bait us into saying "No, we wouldn't buy an Elseworlds story that has a gay Superman." Then, we'd all be labeled homophobic, right?
Is there a story behind him being gay that deserves a full issue or series? Or would it just be one big story about his love for another man? I mean, does him being gay cause him to save the world or create enough of a problem to write an entire story around it? Are there any stories that focus ONLY on Superman being straight? See, why make an issue of sexuality in comics?

mgs

07-04-2008, 04:55 PM

yeah, what others said. there's basically no reason for it. gay, straight, bisexual... doesn't make the stories any better, imo.

Ontir

07-04-2008, 05:26 PM

I think a Superman who was keeping not only his alien heritage, but his sexuality and love for Pete Ross (maybe not so unrequited) a secret in a small Kansas town could be quite interesting.

Carry that forward to Metropolis, where Clark and Jimmy Olsen become a couple, meanwhile Lois is desperate to win the heart of Superman, not knowing that he's Clark - GAY - Clark Kent!

suttercain

07-04-2008, 06:18 PM

yeah, what others said. there's basically no reason for it. gay, straight, bisexual... doesn't make the stories any better, imo.

Agreed. Louis should be written out immediately.

JCAll

07-04-2008, 06:54 PM

Someone's gotten into the Pink Kryptonite again :tongue:

Beta Ray Bill

07-04-2008, 08:15 PM

Yeah. Sure. Why not.

CBikle

07-04-2008, 10:21 PM

This is really a dumb idea for a premise.

There's a right way of doing this kind of story (James Roninson's Starman) and a wrong way (that dopey Rawhide Kid mini that Marvel did).

Stuff like this always comes across as agenda-driven or as creepy fanfic or both.

Solaris01

07-05-2008, 01:12 PM

Would you buy a gay Superman book if it was written tastefully?

NO. Nothing against gay people, but that's too much, especially for a character like Superman. Leave that type of story for fanfics.

I think a Superman who was keeping not only his alien heritage, but his sexuality and love for Pete Ross (maybe not so unrequited) a secret in a small Kansas town could be quite interesting.

Carry that forward to Metropolis, where Clark and Jimmy Olsen become a couple, meanwhile Lois is desperate to win the heart of Superman, not knowing that he's Clark - GAY - Clark Kent!

Ugh, that sounds so wrong! :frown:

Libaax

07-05-2008, 01:19 PM

yeah, what others said. there's basically no reason for it. gay, straight, bisexual... doesn't make the stories any better, imo.

Hehe someone should tell that to the people behind Batwoman ;)

mgs

07-05-2008, 02:26 PM

Hehe someone should tell that to the people behind Batwoman ;)

'behind' her? is it a man, woman, or both? ;)

Libaax

07-05-2008, 02:44 PM

'behind' her? is it a man, woman, or both? ;)

Man that was soo corny :tongue:

Bat-Reader

07-05-2008, 05:02 PM

Apollo pretty much fits the bill. I don't think we need a second one.

josh straightedge

07-05-2008, 05:56 PM

They could put this out but it would get cancelled anyways. Besides, how many monthly books have Supes in them? And really, it isn't that interesting of a subject.

suttercain

07-05-2008, 06:10 PM

josh straightedge

07-05-2008, 06:12 PM

Yeah but Wildstorm already has a gay Batman and Superman...They wouldn't be breaking new ground. Plus if it's Elseworlds, they'd just bring in some nobody to ruin the idea anyways. I own too much bad Elseworlds stuff.

DonEMC

07-05-2008, 06:50 PM

All I'm saying is, if they could write that piece of junk "Superman Monster" elseworlds they could sure as hell do this. I think it could be socially ahead of it's time. I know the plot sounds lame, but if you got a good writer, it may work as a three issue story.

HOW? How is Superman being gay a story? What would the story be about? His love for Jimmy Olsen and how Lois is trying to turn him straight? Are you trying to push a gay agenda for some reason? It sure seems that way.
I don't think there are any stories about a person's sexuality that deserve a complete issue devoted to the subject, let alone three issues. If that be the case, then why not a three issue miniseries about how Superman is straight?
Is there a story there?
If homosexuals don't want attention drawn to them and they want to be treated no differently than heterosexuals, why do an issue or miniseries to call attention to the fact that a character is gay? It doesn't make any sense to me, other than the fact that Suttercain wants to draw attention to this cause of his.
Back when North Star came out of the closet, it was a big deal. Now, however, it just looks like it's being done to push a gay agenda.

suttercain

07-05-2008, 08:09 PM

HOW? How is Superman being gay a story? What would the story be about? His love for Jimmy Olsen and how Lois is trying to turn him straight? Are you trying to push a gay agenda for some reason? It sure seems that way.
I don't think there are any stories about a person's sexuality that deserve a complete issue devoted to the subject, let alone three issues. If that be the case, then why not a three issue miniseries about how Superman is straight?
Is there a story there?
If homosexuals don't want attention drawn to them and they want to be treated no differently than heterosexuals, why do an issue or miniseries to call attention to the fact that a character is gay? It doesn't make any sense to me, other than the fact that Suttercain wants to draw attention to this cause of his.
Back when North Star came out of the closet, it was a big deal. Now, however, it just looks like it's being done to push a gay agenda.

The "Gay Agenda". I laugh every time I see that term.

DonC

07-05-2008, 08:35 PM

The other Don is right, though. How does making Superman gay equal a story? That's character development, perhaps a story element, but not a story in and of itself. Stories have a beginning, middle and end. "Lex Luthor attacks the Metropolis Museum of Art. Superman arrives and fights Lex Luthor. Superman defeats Lex Luthor just before Lex destroys the museum." Simple, yes, but you have a beginning, middle and end.

And "statement" comics like in the 70s when Lois Lane got changed into a black woman are more comical than they are socially conscious.

TROUBLEZ

07-05-2008, 08:45 PM

suttercain

07-05-2008, 08:48 PM

I think it would be a good idea for an elseworlds story. Of course, if it's a crap story it's going to seem like a cheap gimmick. But I think if it were written really well, like Red Son was and had some distinctive art, I would definitley buy it. But if they just change the names like his love interest would be Lewis Lane, I think that would be too gimmicky. I would rather see a gay Superman/Clark, interacting with Lois Lane and the rest of the staff at the Planet.

Exactly. I am a married man and I am not gay. But like I said in earlier posts I think this could be a great plot device. Here Superman is, an American superhero fighting for his nation, a nation who tell him to 'don't ask, don't tell'. A nation with half it's population against his equal rights.

Red Son. Gimmick was what if he landed in the USSR as opposed to the US? Well what if he liked men instead of women? Same simple idea, if wrtten well could be really good.

DonEMC

07-05-2008, 09:04 PM

Exactly. I am a married man and I am not gay. But like I said in earlier posts I think this could be a great plot device. Here Superman is, an American superhero fighting for his nation, a nation who tell him to 'don't ask, don't tell'. A nation with half it's population against his equal rights.

Red Son. Gimmick was what if he landed in the USSR as opposed to the US? Well what if he liked men instead of women? Same simple idea, if wrtten well could be really good.

Why do you feel the need to validate your sexuality by letting us all know that you're married? Does being married make you a card-carrying straight guy? Afraid someone will think you're gay?
Red Son was NOT a gimmick story like THIS one you're suggesting. You've got to be kidding. I mean, like, really kidding, right? Superman Red Son had a plot and a story behind it. What's the story behind this? Superman likes dudes. Okay, does he save the world because he likes a dude? Waitaminnit, you didn't say there was any plot behind this, just the fact that he's gay is a story.
See, it is not a story. That's considered character development and not a story. This is just plain silly.

suttercain

07-05-2008, 09:09 PM

Why do you feel the need to validate your sexuality by letting us all know that you're married? Does being married make you a card-carrying straight guy? Afraid someone will think you're gay?

I could care less if someone thinks I am gay. You earlier said I seemed to be pushing a gay agenda. This was just to clear up there is no gay agenda being pushed here (is there really such thing as a gay agenda? do straight people have a straight agenda?)

Sean Walsh

07-05-2008, 09:22 PM

I read and enjoyed Warren Ellis' AUTHORITY.

So I guess so.

DonEMC

07-05-2008, 10:21 PM

Here's a really radical story idea: Superman is a man. How's that for an Elseworlds title?

NotSuper

07-06-2008, 03:01 AM

Good thing this wasn't posted on the DCMB. I've seen quite a few gay slurs there.

Herr Mike

07-06-2008, 08:54 AM

Wasn't he gay in Superman Returns? :P

princesa

07-06-2008, 09:30 AM

Him being gay or not doesn't matter. They won't do it but I think Nightwing should be gay.

DonC

07-06-2008, 09:42 AM

Him being gay or not doesn't matter. They won't do it but I think Nightwing should be gay.

Nightwing has done half the women in the DCU. Making him gay all of a sudden would be so far out of character that it would be treated universally as a joke by the fan community.

If you're going to have a gay character it has to be someone with little romantic history or a new character.

B. Kuwanger

07-06-2008, 01:08 PM

I dunno, I think it's entirely possible for a guy that's slept with a number of exotic, attractive, and famous women to be gay. It all depends on how well you execute and how far you carry the idea. Really, that goes for any character, but the thing is, while it can work on a few levels, is that worth a story? Would DC really even consider the idea?

Bill Thompson

07-06-2008, 01:10 PM

They could make Superman gay for the rest of eternity and I could care less as long as the writing is good.

Ontir

07-06-2008, 01:51 PM

yeah, what others said. there's basically no reason for it. gay, straight, bisexual... doesn't make the stories any better, imo.

The reason for it is the same as doing one in which he lands in the USSR instead of the USA, or a story in which the Justice League is on horseback in the wild west. It alters the story conceptually, and offers a different perspective.

As Thompson said, GOOD is the most important feature.

sparta28090

07-06-2008, 02:04 PM

Suttercain, I like a good story and elseworlds are either entertaining or simply drivel. Since you started this thread and an advocate with Supes being gay, what would be your plot synopsis? I mean the story has to be alot more than "Look at me, I am Superman and I am gay"

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mgs

07-06-2008, 02:32 PM

Man that was soo corny :tongue:

sorry, had to be done. ;)The reason for it is the same as doing one in which he lands in the USSR instead of the USA, or a story in which the Justice League is on horseback in the wild west. It alters the story conceptually, and offers a different perspective.

As Thompson said, GOOD is the most important feature.

but unless it's simply a story about some sexual agenda or he's a horndog throughout, I don't see how it would differ from a typical, straight, Superman story.

TROUBLEZ

07-06-2008, 03:38 PM

I have to admit, if I saw an ad for an Elseworlds story, with something along the lines of, "Enter another world...where the Man of Steel...is gay," I would roll my eyes. Also, if he was battling villains like the Ultra-homophobe, and having silly aspects like someone mentioned earlier about chasing after Jimmy, while Lois is trying to turn him straight, that would be even worse.

But doesn't the Authority have a gay Superman archetype as well as a gay pseudo-Batman? And from what I hear, that series, atleast when it started, was pretty good. And I'm assuming that the stories don't all revolve around gay issues.

And about agendas, pretty much everyone is pushing some kind of agenda, if you look at it that way. Most of the stories I've read, the big evil government villains usually turn out to be conservatives taking out liberal individuals, like a short story I recently read by a popular author.

I still think it would be a very interesting concept, but I do agree to an extent, that it would be hard to differentiate from a regular Superman story. There is alot more ideas to explore in a communist Superman than a gay Superman.
But if it there was more to the story, and the gay Superman thing was more of a minor element, than being the primary Elseworld twist, and with a capable writer, it could be good.

cpahl2000

07-06-2008, 04:51 PM

Wasn't he gay in Superman Returns? :P

A little bit.:eek:

princesa

07-06-2008, 05:49 PM

Michael P

07-06-2008, 06:05 PM

So, what would the Elseworlds story be called, "Superman's boyfriend, Jimmy Olsen?" C'mon, should this really be a topic?

"Rainbow Son."

jeangreydp

07-06-2008, 08:34 PM

I think that the idea of Superman being gay does weird me out quite a bit. Maybe because I love his relationship with Lois so much? I think it would make an interesting elseworlds though if it were done right. Exploring the type of extra prejudice he would be subjected to or maybe his issues with keeping it a secret?

I think it is pretty much along the same lines as Red Son and is a heckuva lot more interesting an relevant than Superman vs Predator.

PS- DonEMC, your posts are hilarious. I think you need to take a little breather, lol.

kaelikins

07-06-2008, 09:19 PM

I think we'd do better to find more people who can write the canon Superman well, before we start devoting precious resources to elseworld tales. :)

That said, I'm totally in favor of diversity in comics. I celebrate the romance (however turbulent) of Renee Montoya and Kathy Kane, but it's a shame that there are so few openly gay males in the DCU... I'm admittedly no expert... but I know one of them died in Countdown, and the only others I can think of off-hand... are a brain-in-a-jar and a gorilla. Not exactly a compelling metaphor for the LGBT experience :P

I'd encourage gay characters in the DCU... but leave the current ones as they are, please. Surely there's room for some *new* characters with alternative lifestyles?

Leebenhouse

07-06-2008, 10:54 PM

I dont think this would work on a number of levels.

First unless the story is entire revolving around his sexuality, his being gay should be irrelevent. Just because a character porks guys instead of gals that should not mean that their values are different.

Second, look at the traditional comic reader. A straight nerdy male. Now follow this equation : Nerdy male = straight guy who gets made fun of a lot with pergoratives such as loser, homo, fag, etc. Thus, the nerdy male would seek to avoid things which could socially label him homosexual, especially homosexual themed media. Their consumption of media in this case comics, often involved fantasies of women, where in the famed male fantasy of two chicks getting it on is "cool".

Therefore lesbians in comics = cool. Gays in comics, not so much so. Hence the proliferation of lesbian characters(Batwoman, Montoya, etc), and the relatively low number of gay characters in traditional superhero comics.

Now, comics like Starman can easily break the mold, and of course, Judd Winick seems to include a token gay/HIV-infected character in every book he writes.

Kage Kisaragi

07-06-2008, 11:06 PM

I would not buy a gay superman, nor would I buy it from a gay comic book stand, no I do not like this gay superman.

Leebenhouse

07-06-2008, 11:17 PM

Yknow, I just thought,Judd Winick could write a story about how a bisexual or gay Superman brought AIDS to earth back in the 70s. Thats the kicker of Rainbow Superman.

Syzygy

07-07-2008, 02:14 AM

Hatut Zeraze

07-07-2008, 02:21 AM

On concept alone, I can't say whether or not I would buy a gay Superman comic.

It would really depend upon the creative team.

DonEMC

07-07-2008, 04:36 AM

Yes, I would. I think it would be quite the writing challenge, however.

The writing challenge would be FINDING A STORY TO GO ALONG WITH THIS STUPID IDEA!
What's the story?
"Superman is gay."
That's not a story. That would be AN ASPECT OF HIS CHARACTER. Where's the story in that one little bit of information.
"Superman battles to save the world" or "Superman is raised to be a villain", that is a story.
Why not say "Lois Lane is a woman" and do a story about that?
Or, "Jimmy Olsen has red hair." Yeah, there'd have to be a story in that, right?
Or, "Perry White likes to smoke cigars." We're not talking about Perry White possibly getting lung cancer and Superman saving his life or anything, just that PERRY WHITE LIKES TO SMOKE CIGARS.
There isn't a story to go with "Superman is gay." That's character development, people. I would think that you who are saying "Oh, I'd read an Elseworlds tale about Superman being gay" are intelligent enough to understand what I and others on this thread are saying.
Suttercain, in my opinion, is trying to shove his gay agenda down everyone's throats.

dancj

07-07-2008, 05:47 AM

I would not buy a gay superman, nor would I buy it from a gay comic book stand, no I do not like this gay superman.
Would you buy it on a boat?
Would you read it with a goat?

kaelikins

07-07-2008, 08:18 AM

Suttercain, in my opinion, is trying to shove his gay agenda down everyone's throats.

I keep hearing about our agenda, but I must be attending the wrong meetings because I've never seen one :P

Kage Kisaragi

07-07-2008, 09:12 AM

Would you buy it on a boat?
Would you read it with a goat?

:biggrin: You caught that huh?

No I would not buy it on a boat nor would I read it with a goat. I don't like gay superman no I do not like him my fellow comic book fan.

princesa

07-07-2008, 05:49 PM

Would you buy it on a boat?
Would you read it with a goat?

Great now thats going to be in my head all night:rolleyes:

DonEMC

07-07-2008, 06:10 PM

Great now thats going to be in my head all night:rolleyes:

Superman gets caught with a goat? Now, there's a story!

princesa

07-07-2008, 06:19 PM

Superman gets caught with a goat? Now, there's a story!

The green egg and ham version of it is quite catchy

sparta28090

07-07-2008, 07:47 PM

Yknow, I just thought,Judd Winick could write a story about how a bisexual or gay Superman brought AIDS to earth back in the 70s. Thats the kicker of Rainbow Superman.

Thank God I wasn't drinking when I read that or I would have choked from laughter! So far, I would vote your post as "Post of the Month" so inviso-congrats!

Now, some say they would read the story if it was executed well. The only thing I can think of is:

Batman has made his way to Metropolis as he investigates murders that have happened in Gotham. His network and by following the media it has pointed to overwhelming evidence that the same murders have happened in greater numbers in Metropolis. He breaks into the last crime scene afterhours that occured in "Luthor Towers". The murder has the same M.O. as the others here and in Gotham. All of the victims are males and either their jaws have been broken with a baseball-sized hole in the back of the skull with a gelatinous substance dripping out. While some have had severe stretching of the lower abdomen with the same size hole and substance opened at the top of the skull.

Batman stands at the picture window where his profile is silohetted by the moon...

Batman: Damn, Clark is gay!

Syphre Zero

07-07-2008, 08:16 PM

Batman has made his way to Metropolis as he investigates murders that have happened in Gotham. His network and by following the media it has pointed to overwhelming evidence that the same murders have happened in greater numbers in Metropolis. He breaks into the last crime scene afterhours that occured in "Luthor Towers". The murder has the same M.O. as the others here and in Gotham. All of the victims are males and either their jaws have been broken with a baseball-sized hole in the back of the skull with a gelatinous substance dripping out. While some have had severe stretching of the lower abdomen with the same size hole and substance opened at the top of the skull.

Batman stands at the picture window where his profile is silohetted by the moon...

Batman: Damn, Clark is gay!

Man, that's wrong. Wrong and hilarious.

Does that mean you'd have to rewrite the age-old forum thread and Internet meme to be, "Man of Steel, Man of Kleenex?"

suttercain

07-07-2008, 08:41 PM

Quick concept coloring I did....

http://shannoncronin.com/gaysuperman.jpg

Ontir

07-07-2008, 08:57 PM

sorry, had to be done. ;)

but unless it's simply a story about some sexual agenda or he's a horndog throughout, I don't see how it would differ from a typical, straight, Superman story.

It doesn't have to have some sexual agenda, it can just be a story with a different perspective, like if Superman were raised in the USSR, or lived in the old west. He needn't be a horndog, just a simple change turns many of the givens on their head, and it could make for an interesting read.

RE: "Superman gets caught with a goat..."

Why do people immediately equate bestiality with gay? The only animal I'm interested in is homo-sapien, preferably very hairy! That's as close to bestiality as I'm EVER going to get!

As to the colouring, why fuscia? It isn't the colouring that would change, it's the underwear on the outside. That would be dropped (no pun intended), if for no other reason than to accentuate the basket.

Again, I wouldn't buy "Superman Pink," but if the story were well done, and it worked, and had good artwork, I'd certainly buy it.

DonEMC

07-07-2008, 09:13 PM

It doesn't have to have some sexual agenda, it can just be a story with a different perspective, like if Superman were raised in the USSR, or lived in the old west. He needn't be a horndog, just a simple change turns many of the givens on their head, and it could make for an interesting read.

RE: "Superman gets caught with a goat..."

Why do people immediately equate bestiality with gay? The only animal I'm interested in is homo-sapien, preferably very hairy! That's as close to bestiality as I'm EVER going to get!

As to the colouring, why fuscia? It isn't the colouring that would change, it's the underwear on the outside. That would be dropped (no pun intended), if for no other reason than to accentuate the basket.

Again, I wouldn't buy "Superman Pink," but if the story were well done, and it worked, and had good artwork, I'd certainly buy it.

Actually, I wasn't equating homosexuality with bestiality. I was saying that there's no story behind Suttercain's pal, Gay Superman, but there would be a story if someone walked around the back of Pa Kent's barn and found Superman engaged in a little man-goat love.
See, you read too much into that. Nowhere did I say that gay people all like goats.

CBikle

07-07-2008, 09:30 PM

Quick concept coloring I did....

http://shannoncronin.com/gaysuperman.jpg

Gay Superman is still a dumb idea, however that's a very nice coloring job.

suttercain

07-07-2008, 09:56 PM

Gay Superman is still a dumb idea, however that's a very nice coloring job.

Thanks, I actually just started today (that was my second one). For my first, I tried my hands at the cover of superman 673. Not even close to the original excellence I know, but maybe one day if I practice...

http://shannoncronin.com/superman673.jpg

Captain_Video

07-09-2008, 05:58 PM

Its an interesting concept.

But I have to say Superman is often seen as not very sexualised, even his love for Lois most of the time seems little more than romantic and almost childishly innocent, I find it hard to imagine the sexual politics of that relationship to be honest, as Superman almost seems to be an asexual character, in the same vein as Batman so often does.

It is hard because the big three characters at DC are so iconic that anything human, like sex, or even eating, seems somewhat wierd, Batman only seems to eat when Batman forces him to have some random meal.

On the Batman note also, the only time his sexuality comes into play really, for me at least, is when The Joker is trying to push uncomfortable sexual buttons to annoy him, or Catwoman is doing the same thing...he seems to be very passive in that arena, when not Bruce Wayne, but he is playing a role there and trying to live up to that role.

Outside of people like Green Arrow, it is hard to imagine sex in the DC universe.

I would be interested to read the Gay Superman story, it would be something new that is for sure, but I would also say that outside of his love for Lois Lane, I could imagine this Superman being Gay, I can not see the change as being that massive, because the character is not very sexualised, or sexually charged in the first place.

JonniRandom

07-09-2008, 06:06 PM

Nightwing has done half the women in the DCU. Making him gay all of a sudden would be so far out of character that it would be treated universally as a joke by the fan community.
If you're going to have a gay character it has to be someone with little romantic history or a new character.
Make him bisexual already! I demand for that to be retconned.
Second, look at the traditional comic reader. A straight nerdy male. Now follow this equation : Nerdy male = straight guy who gets made fun of a lot with pergoratives such as loser, homo, fag, etc. Thus, the nerdy male would seek to avoid things which could socially label him homosexual, especially homosexual themed media. Their consumption of media in this case comics, often involved fantasies of women, where in the famed male fantasy of two chicks getting it on is "cool".

That's quite an '80s opinion, I know more fangirls than I do boys and plenty of us gays buy comics too.
I keep hearing about our agenda, but I must be attending the wrong meetings because I've never seen one :P
D.I.T.T.O.
We're out of the loop!
Man, that's wrong. Wrong and hilarious.
Does that mean you'd have to rewrite the age-old forum thread and Internet meme to be, "Man of Steel, Man of Kleenex?"
Straight men don't masturbate?!:eek:
It doesn't have to have some sexual agenda, it can just be a story with a different perspective, like if Superman were raised in the USSR, or lived in the old west. He needn't be a horndog, just a simple change turns many of the givens on their head, and it could make for an interesting read.
As to the colouring, why fuscia? It isn't the colouring that would change, it's the underwear on the outside. That would be dropped (no pun intended), if for no other reason than to accentuate the basket.

I'm gay and haven't worn pink once in my life, but yeah the briefs would be dropped immediately!

It is hard because the big three characters at DC are so iconic that anything human, like sex, or even eating, seems somewhat wierd, Batman only seems to eat when Batman forces him to have some random meal.

The only time I've seen them eat is in Kingdom Come at the end, and that's it!
Explains why they're so skinny!

cpahl2000

07-09-2008, 09:01 PM

Gay Superman is still a dumb idea, however that's a very nice coloring job.

A well done job by the fab 5.:rolleyes:

kaelikins

07-09-2008, 09:22 PM

D.I.T.T.O.
We're out of the loop!

Good! I was starting to worry it was just a 'gay male' agenda, and that the lesbian population had been written out! Phew!

Good post, way to break the stereotype! Fangirls and LGBTGeeks represent! :D

Ghost Shark

07-09-2008, 09:51 PM

If you can get Chuck Dixon to write it, I'll at least give it a looksee.

suttercain

07-09-2008, 10:42 PM

DonEMC

07-10-2008, 04:37 AM

Tell you what, to all the haters, when I am done working on two other scripts I am writing, I'm going to write a brief gay superman story that is serious. I may be drunk right now, but I'll do it by end of summer and post it here.

Is that legal? I mean, that is a copyrighted property you're talking about. I think DC Comics might take an issue with that.
But, since you're going to do that, why don't you tell us all the plot? Do you have one in mind? Or, is it that Superman decides he's gay?

Supermancho

07-10-2008, 10:07 AM

Thank God I wasn't drinking when I read that or I would have choked from laughter! So far, I would vote your post as "Post of the Month" so inviso-congrats!

Now, some say they would read the story if it was executed well. The only thing I can think of is:

Batman has made his way to Metropolis as he investigates murders that have happened in Gotham. His network and by following the media it has pointed to overwhelming evidence that the same murders have happened in greater numbers in Metropolis. He breaks into the last crime scene afterhours that occured in "Luthor Towers". The murder has the same M.O. as the others here and in Gotham. All of the victims are males and either their jaws have been broken with a baseball-sized hole in the back of the skull with a gelatinous substance dripping out. While some have had severe stretching of the lower abdomen with the same size hole and substance opened at the top of the skull.

Batman stands at the picture window where his profile is silohetted by the moon...

Batman: Damn, Clark is gay!

Disturbing and hilarious.http://www.yelims.com/IPB/Invision-Board-France-23.gif

Ontir

07-10-2008, 10:48 AM

Actually, I wasn't equating homosexuality with bestiality. I was saying that there's no story behind Suttercain's pal, Gay Superman, but there would be a story if someone walked around the back of Pa Kent's barn and found Superman engaged in a little man-goat love.
See, you read too much into that. Nowhere did I say that gay people all like goats.

The thing is that you again go immediately from two men, to a man and a farm animal. It's a common and annoying theme.

It's similar to when someone says "Love the sin, not the sinner, that's why God forgives murderers..." instantly equating being gay with murder.

Ontir

07-10-2008, 10:50 AM

Batman has made his way to Metropolis as he investigates murders that have happened in Gotham. His network and by following the media it has pointed to overwhelming evidence that the same murders have happened in greater numbers in Metropolis. He breaks into the last crime scene afterhours that occured in "Luthor Towers". The murder has the same M.O. as the others here and in Gotham. All of the victims are males and either their jaws have been broken with a baseball-sized hole in the back of the skull with a gelatinous substance dripping out. While some have had severe stretching of the lower abdomen with the same size hole and substance opened at the top of the skull.

Batman stands at the picture window where his profile is silohetted by the moon...

Batman: Damn, Clark is gay!

That's why Jimmy Elastic Lad Olsen would have to be his boyfriend! :tongue:

suttercain

07-10-2008, 07:35 PM

Is that legal? I mean, that is a copyrighted property you're talking about. I think DC Comics might take an issue with that.
But, since you're going to do that, why don't you tell us all the plot? Do you have one in mind? Or, is it that Superman decides he's gay?

Actually I think I can write a script. I just couldn't sell the property... I think. I mean Supermanhomepage does their own Superman comics.

Anyway, I was drunk so don't hold me to this.

suttercain

07-29-2008, 10:23 PM

DonEMC

08-01-2008, 01:41 PM

Alright, check this out. Yesterday I was reading about Iran and how they plan to execute 29 people this weekend. Some of these people are being executed simply for the fact they are gay. Here it is 2008 and we still got wack jobs who kill people who don't live like them.

Anyway, how about an Elseworlds where Superman steps in and prevents these sorts of executions, sparking all sorts of political debates and backlash. In the end it's revealed Superman had to do this sort of thing because he doesn't want people with his same needs and wants to be killed. (See the subtle reveal of a gay Superman?)

Huh, huh?

Is there something you're wanting to REVEAL to all of us? I mean, long after this thread died, you dredge it up again, trying your best to come up with a story about Superman being gay (which he isn't and that seems to bother you).
You keeping this thing going makes me think you're wanting to tell us all a secret.
Why is this such an important issue for you?

CBikle

08-01-2008, 02:05 PM

Anyway, how about an Elseworlds where Superman steps in and prevents these sorts of executions, sparking all sorts of political debates and backlash. In the end it's revealed Superman had to do this sort of thing because he doesn't want people with his same needs and wants to be killed. (See the subtle reveal of a gay Superman?)

Huh, huh?

Wow, that's just awful.

Try selling it to Vertigo.

TROUBLEZ

08-01-2008, 05:57 PM

Alright, check this out. Yesterday I was reading about Iran and how they plan to execute 29 people this weekend. Some of these people are being executed simply for the fact they are gay. Here it is 2008 and we still got wack jobs who kill people who don't live like them.

Anyway, how about an Elseworlds where Superman steps in and prevents these sorts of executions, sparking all sorts of political debates and backlash. In the end it's revealed Superman had to do this sort of thing because he doesn't want people with his same needs and wants to be killed. (See the subtle reveal of a gay Superman?)

Huh, huh?

Do you have a link for that story you read about executions?

And about this new plot, at the beginning of this thread I thought it would be interesting but this new plot sounds silly. Why would it spark debate if Superman is rescuing innocent people?

HaroldAllnut

08-01-2008, 06:02 PM

I would definitely pick it up. Sounds like it'd make an interesting tale... Superman and Lewis/Louis Lane.

suttercain

08-01-2008, 06:34 PM

Do you have a link for that story you read about executions?

And about this new plot, at the beginning of this thread I thought it would be interesting but this new plot sounds silly. Why would it spark debate if Superman is rescuing innocent people?

Sure:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-8558.html
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jiSxYwSAXnx4IqoeLkJdcFLGbg2g

I think this would be a good story because Superman doesn't step into to rescue people on Death Row in the US. This would be a good political story with Superman in it. We can also show how Superman has to struggle with his own identity, not just as the last son of Krypton, but also as a homosexual on a Planet that the vast majority does not accept.

Not trying to be silly at all.

Leocomix

08-01-2008, 06:59 PM

I already have. It's called The Authority.

DonEMC

08-01-2008, 11:32 PM

Sure:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-8558.html
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jiSxYwSAXnx4IqoeLkJdcFLGbg2g

I think this would be a good story because Superman doesn't step into to rescue people on Death Row in the US. This would be a good political story with Superman in it. We can also show how Superman has to struggle with his own identity, not just as the last son of Krypton, but also as a homosexual on a Planet that the vast majority does not accept.

Not trying to be silly at all.

Suttercain, it sounds as if this is taking over your whole life ...
It's a stupid idea and it makes me wonder if you're really gay and trying to hide it, the way you keep pushing and pushing this issue. If you are, then admit it. I'm sure no one on this thread would care.
Superman IS NOT GAY; never has been, never will be. There will never be a gay Superman story and I'd like to think you're smart enough to know that, so give it up already. Why's it such a big deal to you, anyway?
There's not even an Elseworlds anymore. You already know this, but you continue to push the gay Superman agenda and keep trying to find ways to think up a story in which Superman would be outed...
IN your first post you said the story would be about Superman being gay and, like we all told you, there is no story there. So, please, get over it.
Waitaminnit, is this really Judd Winnick we're talking to?

DonEMC

08-01-2008, 11:40 PM

And it really looks like you've researched gay themes on the internet by your posting of the links to those sites.
What's really going on here?
C'mon, Suttercain, if you're really gay, we're not going to judge you.We've tried to get you to understand that Superman being gay IS NOT A STORY. That would be character development. I'm not sure if you get on here every time after having a few drinks, but you're certainly trying your best to find a way to make Superman gay.
Not sure what message you're trying to send to the readers of this thread, but I'd say it's got a lot of them weirded out like I am.
The thread cools down and no one comments for several days, then you come back with more ways to make Superman gay.
You're talking about a character who is nearly a century old, who has had an ongoing relationship with a woman since the beginning and is married to that same woman now.
If you thought Marvel turning Rawhide Kid gay, then wait until you see the uproar DC trying to make Superman gay would cause.

sparta28090

08-02-2008, 01:13 AM

Rawhide Kid and Professor Dumbledore were editorially turned gay (I understand if anyone takes issue with me about the Dumbledore reference but that is my opinon). I believe these characters were outted just to give to the gay community just like Mach-1 from the Thunderbolts was suddenly turned black, tp pander to black readers This was wrong, wrong, wrong!

If I was black or gay I would be angry for the powers that be for pandering to me just because they want to up their readership.

Midnighter and Apollo happen to be gay and they are cool. Black Panther, Luke Cage, Mr. Terrific are black and they are cool. These characters are cool because they are written to entertain and not turned for pandering. The comic world has alot of room for characters to be of all races, creed, religon or whatever. But they are only cool by how they are defined as characters and not by simply showing up as diffrent suddenly and say "wow, look at me I got a new grove on now like me"

suttercain

08-02-2008, 11:01 AM

Is there something you're wanting to REVEAL to all of us? I mean, long after this thread died, you dredge it up again, trying your best to come up with a story about Superman being gay (which he isn't and that seems to bother you).
You keeping this thing going makes me think you're wanting to tell us all a secret.
Why is this such an important issue for you?

You're right I am a ho-mo. I like men. I love to suck c**k and in writing this thread is the way I want to reveal it. Thank you for allowing me to come out of the closet.

With this rational, white people who fought for the rights of black people must have not been white at all. They must have been black.

In all honesty I had read about the Iran executions earlier this week and it reminded me of this thread. Is there a time limit to which we can write in threads? If the last post exceeds two weeks must we never write in it again? Just curious... us gays don't know this kind of stuff. Alright, back to my gay porn.

Solaris01

08-02-2008, 12:02 PM

Gay Superman is still a dumb idea, however that's a very nice coloring job.

:tongue: WORD.

DonEMC

08-02-2008, 03:37 PM

You're right I am a ho-mo. I like men. I love to suck c**k and in writing this thread is the way I want to reveal it. Thank you for allowing me to come out of the closet.

With this rational, white people who fought for the rights of black people must have not been white at all. They must have been black.

In all honesty I had read about the Iran executions earlier this week and it reminded me of this thread. Is there a time limit to which we can write in threads? If the last post exceeds two weeks must we never write in it again? Just curious... us gays don't know this kind of stuff. Alright, back to my gay porn.

See, why lie about your sexuality in an earlier post when you said you were a married man?
We're not judging you in any way. Nor was I making any remarks about the Civil Rights battles fought by many brave men and women.
Now that it's out in the open, don't you feel a lot better than when you were trying to hide it?
I'm glad I could help...