Superman's origin...

[Angelo2113]

Has there been a new Superman origin after Infinite Crisis and the creation of New Earth?

[David Atkins]

Ugh. Check out the first page of the All Star Superman story. It's all the origin any version of Superman needs for a very, very, very, very long time.

[MaxofSteel]

In the end, the details of Supes' origin aren't really important. All you need to know is that he was launched into a rocket as a young'n, he was found by the Kents, and he was raised in Smallville till he came to Metropolis.

That's all that really matters.

[MythicBrawn]

If only it could stay that simple.

[herogirl]

If only it could stay that simple.

If only EVERYTHING were that simple

[xbox360gurl70s]

do we really have to knwo his circumcission day? his first words his diaper changing photos? the answer is no!

[666MasterOfPuppets]

But there will be an origin story retelling running in the Super-books. I remember Geoff Johns saying so in an interview.

[Supermancho]

Has there been a new Superman origin after Infinite Crisis and the creation of New Earth?

Do we need more origins?

DC should stick to MoS and leave it that way.
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[Mat001]

Has there been a new Superman origin after Infinite Crisis and the creation of New Earth?

Bits and pieces have turned up in the Superman books since "Infinite Crisis".

-Action Comics Annual #10 featured Clark's first meeting with Mon-El and the origin of Zod, Ursa and Non.

-Superman #659 features a flashback tale to Clark's earliest days in Metropolis and introduces a character who reappears later on.

-Action Comics #848 and 849 featured a bit of Clark's youth.

-Action Comics #850 showed Clark's birth, being sent off, growing up with the Kents, his public debut as Superman, moving into his apartment and his first date with Lois. Plus the aftermath of an early encounter between the JLA and Amazo.

-Action Comics #852 showed the origin of Jimmy Olsen's signal watch.

-Action Comics #856 and 857 showed Clark talking with Jonathan about his vision powers.

-Action Comics #858, 862 and 863 showed Clark's first meeting with the Legion and a bit of Clark as a teen in Smallville.

-Action Comics #865 recounted Toyman's origin and tied up all the various versions.

-Action Comics #866-870 is showing the origin of Brainiac and Kandor.

-Superman #665, I believe, shows the origin of Jimmy Olsen.

-Supeman Annual #13 features a back-up tale which shows the day the Kents found Clark, in a brief flashback.

-Superman #669 shows us the history of the Kryptonian Empire.

-Superman #674 fleshes out Mon-El's origin a bit.

-Superman #676 recounts Superman's first meeting with Alan Scott and Soloman Grundy. It is the prelude into the events of "Man Of Steel" #5.

-"Tales Of The Sinestro Corps. Presents: Cyborg-Superman" shows us the origin of Hank Henshaw. Basically confirming that Adventures Of Superman #457 and 458 are in continuity.

-"Tales Of The Sinestro Corps. Presents: Superman-Prime" recounts Superboy-Prime's origin which features a retelling of his first meeting with Superman. But modified to fit within the parameters of the Superboy lawsuit.

Also, the DC Comics website has the heroes and villains origin back-ups from "52" and "Countdown To Final Crisis". You can find Lex Luthor's origin there.

[cpahl2000]

Geoff and James said there plains and they are work on something. Let´s see what will be.

[Tetsuo_man]

do we really have to knwo his circumcission day? his first words his diaper changing photos? the answer is no!

How do you know supes is circumsized?:tongue:

[KryptonianFan315]

How do you know supes is circumsized?:tongue:

Superman II when he catches the kid falling into Niagra Falls the old lady said "of course hes Jewish." Assuming the old lady knows what she was talking about then you can assume he was cut

[Tetsuo_man]

WEll does kinda make sense since siegel and shuster were jewish.

[TROUBLEZ]

If they do another origin I hope it's just as a back up, or in an annual or something, and I hope it's the definitive one for a long time. I like what I've been seeing in Action. It seems more along the lines of the original Silver Age origin but with a few modern touches here and there. Not more 10 issue origin events where we need to have everything explained.

[herogirl]

Y'know, I think I heard somewhere that Siegel and Shuster originally wanted Clark to grow up in Cleveland.

[The_Professor]

Y'know, I think I heard somewhere that Siegel and Shuster originally wanted Clark to grow up in Cleveland.

Huh?! Wow! Uhm... I'd like to believe that, though I really cannot... but I'd be glad to if you provide a source.:biggrin:

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Bits and pieces have turned up in the Superman books since "Infinite Crisis".

-Action Comics Annual #10 featured Clark's first meeting with Mon-El and the origin of Zod, Ursa and Non.

-Superman #659 features a flashback tale to Clark's earliest days in Metropolis and introduces a character who reappears later on.

-Action Comics #848 and 849 featured a bit of Clark's youth.

-Action Comics #850 showed Clark's birth, being sent off, growing up with the Kents, his public debut as Superman, moving into his apartment and his first date with Lois. Plus the aftermath of an early encounter between the JLA and Amazo.

-Action Comics #852 showed the origin of Jimmy Olsen's signal watch.

-Action Comics #856 and 857 showed Clark talking with Jonathan about his vision powers.

-Action Comics #858, 862 and 863 showed Clark's first meeting with the Legion and a bit of Clark as a teen in Smallville.

-Action Comics #865 recounted Toyman's origin and tied up all the various versions.

-Action Comics #866-870 is showing the origin of Brainiac and Kandor.

-Superman #665, I believe, shows the origin of Jimmy Olsen.

-Supeman Annual #13 features a back-up tale which shows the day the Kents found Clark, in a brief flashback.

-Superman #669 shows us the history of the Kryptonian Empire.

-Superman #674 fleshes out Mon-El's origin a bit.

-Superman #676 recounts Superman's first meeting with Alan Scott and Soloman Grundy. It is the prelude into the events of "Man Of Steel" #5.

-"Tales Of The Sinestro Corps. Presents: Cyborg-Superman" shows us the origin of Hank Henshaw. Basically confirming that Adventures Of Superman #457 and 458 are in continuity.

-"Tales Of The Sinestro Corps. Presents: Superman-Prime" recounts Superboy-Prime's origin which features a retelling of his first meeting with Superman. But modified to fit within the parameters of the Superboy lawsuit.

Also, the DC Comics website has the heroes and villains origin back-ups from "52" and "Countdown To Final Crisis". You can find Lex Luthor's origin there.

Great list. Thanx for posting it.

[The_Professor]

+1 re: that list.
It really is an excellent list!

I thought I was a big fan, though if that list was compiled off the top of yer head (and not taken from a wiki google thing) then I bow down in a, "I'm not worthy!" way. :wink:

[3D Master]

What about Superman: Birthright?

[Supermancho]

What about Superman: Birthright?

The key here is in the original quest:"after Infinite Crisis and the creation of New Earth?"

Birthright was before.

[3D Master]

But isn't Birthright supposed to be the Superman origin for after time was rewritten in IC?

[Super Buddies Forever]

Nope. It was shoehorned into continuity before Infinite Crisis, making an ungodly mess of things.

[brundlefly]

What about Superman: Birthright?

Best to just ignore that one....:wink: Works for me.

[3D Master]

Well, I liked Birthright.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, I liked Birthright.

Seconded. Perhaps Johns and Busiek were planning a mix of several origins, along with a few bits of their own.

[The_Professor]

The various origin interpretations have their pros and cons, and although there are some clashing points in some (or at least "less popular" ones), they still all hold their ground in their own way.

Though... when did word come out that there is going to be another origin story?

Any idea when it'll come out?

Or if it'll be brief or extended?

Any other details?

[Mat001]

+1 re: that list.
It really is an excellent list!

I thought I was a big fan, though if that list was compiled off the top of yer head (and not taken from a wiki google thing) then I bow down in a, "I'm not worthy!" way. :wink:

Most of it was off the top of my head. Only a couple I had to look up.

Seconded. Perhaps Johns and Busiek were planning a mix of several origins, along with a few bits of their own.

The origin is a bit of everything. From the time of Superman's public debut through the present, it's largely based off of 1986 through 2006. Silver Age pieces have been inserted in such as "For The Man Who Has Everything", which has referenced in Action Annual #10, Superman #670 and recently in the Green Lantern Corps story involving Mongul and the Black Mercy. The endoskeleton Brainiac stories from the early 80's are back in, or at least a variation of therein. The Legion and many of those older stories leading up to 1986. Some of "Birthright" still counts. Mainly the Lex being in Smallville and Lionel Luthor bits. Only now Lex's origin has been streamlined to being that he was the son of Lionel Luthor and that he was in Smallville because of his aunt Lena, who he got along with quite well. His hair seems to have fallen out naturally and not because of a fire or chemicals.

If you read those issues, you'll get a good sense of what is going on these days.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The various origin interpretations have their pros and cons, and although there are some clashing points in some (or at least "less popular" ones), they still all hold their ground in their own way.

Though... when did word come out that there is going to be another origin story?

Any idea when it'll come out?

Or if it'll be brief or extended?

Any other details?

I think I read somewhere that Johns said that it was going to run through the Super-books, a la GL's "Secret Origin".

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The origin is a bit of everything. From the time of Superman's public debut through the present, it's largely based off of 1986 through 2006. Silver Age pieces have been inserted in such as "For The Man Who Has Everything", which has referenced in Action Annual #10, Superman #670 and recently in the Green Lantern Corps story involving Mongul and the Black Mercy. The endoskeleton Brainiac stories from the early 80's are back in, or at least a variation of therein. The Legion and many of those older stories leading up to 1986. Some of "Birthright" still counts. Mainly the Lex being in Smallville and Lionel Luthor bits. Only now Lex's origin has been streamlined to being that he was the son of Lionel Luthor and that he was in Smallville because of his aunt Lena, who he got along with quite well. His hair seems to have fallen out naturally and not because of a fire or chemicals.

If you read those issues, you'll get a good sense of what is going on these days.

Thanx for clearing that up. It's good to see that Johns-Busiek-Robinson are drawing inspiration from everything that's come before.

[brundlefly]

Some of "Birthright" still counts. Mainly the Lex being in Smallville and Lionel Luthor bits.

Bleech. That's the stuff that should have been tossed out when Birthright got 90% ignored after IC. It adds nothing to the character of comics Lex (in fact, it dilutes the character, as now he got his fortune and his company from his Rich Daddy instead of being a self-made man, which was something he always prided himself on). It also fails to inject the TV Smallville Rosenbaum's Lex/Welling's Clark 'frenemies' relationship aspect into the comics (which was the obvious intent of the 'Lex-in-Smallville' Birthright retcon), since comics Lex still currently denies ever being in Smallville, much less knowing Clark while he was there. Just more pointless and unnecessary origin fiddling, imo; don't try to "fix" what isn't broken.

[Mat001]

Bleech. That's the stuff that should have been tossed out when Birthright got 90% ignored after IC. It adds nothing to the character of comics Lex (in fact, it dilutes the character, as now he got his fortune and his company from his Rich Daddy instead of being a self-made man, which was something he always prided himself on). It also fails to inject the TV Smallville Rosenbaum's Lex/Welling's Clark 'frenemies' relationship aspect into the comics (which was the obvious intent of the 'Lex-in-Smallville' Birthright retcon), since comics Lex still currently denies ever being in Smallville, much less knowing Clark while he was there. Just more pointless and unnecessary origin fiddling, imo; don't try to "fix" what isn't broken.

Actually, I just recalled. In Booster Gold's first arc, "52 Pick-Up", Lex's origin is talked about there. In the issue, when Rip discusses how the evil Supernova was going to destroy Superman by changing the lives of the Kent family. Here, Lionel is said to be a traveling salesman. Since Johns wrote that with Jeff Katz, I'm going to say that that part is true of New Earth and not because of what Supernova was trying to do by changing history. So, in a way, Lex is still a self-made man. Until we know for certain in the main books, I'm going to say that is largely true.

[brundlefly]

Actually, I just recalled. In Booster Gold's first arc, "52 Pick-Up", Lex's origin is talked about there. In the issue, when Rip discusses how the evil Supernova was going to destroy Superman by changing the lives of the Kent family. Here, Lionel is said to be a traveling salesman. Since Johns wrote that with Jeff Katz, I'm going to say that that part is true of New Earth and not because of what Supernova was trying to do by changing history. So, in a way, Lex is still a self-made man. Until we know for certain in the main books, I'm going to say that is largely true.

Hmmm, interesting. I've been trade-waiting on Booster Gold up to this point. Sounds like I should, er, pick up this "52 Pick-Up" arc, since I know the TPB for that first BG storyarc is available. Thanks for the info.

[dupersuper]

My advice is to read the golden age origin, Man of Steel, Birthright, For All Seasons, and any other origin/year1 type stories you want; then take the parts you like and ignore the rest.