Make Your Own Villain Illuminati

[Monty_Cristo]

just what the thread subjects says. you may have seen previews of Emma Frost, Doctor Doom, the Hood, Loki, and some unremarkable guy teaming up to form their own Legion of Doo...i mean Evil Illuminati. now it's your turn. try to keep it to grayer or straight-up villainous characters.

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[Shypsi-Prime]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Mandarin
3. Magento
4. Green Goblin
5. Venom

[Nyssane]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Red Skull
3. Mandarin
4. Ruby Thursday
5. Mr. Sinister

The first three are obvious. Ruby Thursday would join because they need a female and she has extreme power as well as pure genius intelligence which would make her a valuable member. Sinister would be in it because Magneto would not join a team with Red Skull on it.

[Monty_Cristo]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Mandarin
3. Magneto
4. Green Goblin
5. Venom

not bad. i like the inclusion of Norman. he's really come into his own, lately. i didn't really consider him that much of a criminal mastermind before. but now he seems like a credible threat. i don't know about Venom, though. he seems like lackey material.

[CyberHubbs]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Doombot
3. Doombot
4. Female Doombot
5. Doombot

[Dark Soul # 7]

I like most of the members on the picture, except that I don't think the Hood deserves a postion with others yet and I don't like the idea of Emma Frost working with them so here're my picks.

1. Dr. Doom
2. Namor
3. Loki
4. Mystique
5. Ezekiel Stane

[Monty_Cristo]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Red Skull
3. Mandarin
4. Ruby Thursday
5. Mr. Sinister

The first three are obvious. Ruby Thursday would join because they need a female and she has extreme power as well as pure genius intelligence which would make her a valuable member. Sinister would be in it because Magneto would not join a team with Red Skull on it.

fair enough. i don't consider Ruby any less likely to be a part of something like this. i probably would have picked Monica Rappaccini A.I.M's scientist supreme.

i think my group will be...

1. Monica Rappaccini (i can never spell her last name right)

2. Mystique

3. Ruby Thursday-Doc Nightshade-The Albino (a 3-some of villainous scientists)

4. Loki

5. Black Womb

[Siddon]

I like my villians to be tweeners

1. Dr. Doom (Iron Man)
2. Emma Frost (Prof X)
3. Namor (Mr. Fantastic)
4. Thanos (Black Bolt)
5. Dracula (Dr. Strange)

[And_Hex_begat_Awesome]

1. Doctor Doom

2. Shadow King

3. The Leader

4. Count Nefaria

5. Dark Beast


Strict no chicks policy because, c'mon, women are things . . . to these characters.

[gorthon616]

I think an Anti-Villain angle would work the best. If they are just "let's get together and be evil!" the idea seems kinda dumb. I'd want these to be the guys that destroyed a Skrull world after the Kree-Skrull world, telling them not to mess with us or we seriously will cut you.

1. Dr. Doom (Reed)
2. Mandarin (Tony)
3. Baron Zemo (Steve)
4. Emma Frost (Scott)
5. Namor (himself)

Dr. Doom is obvious. He can have his "villain bastard" moments, but he can also have his "this is the best way for humanity moments as well."

Mandarin because I'd love to keep his current characterization, plus it fits in with the motif. Plus, I think he's fairly underused as a character (as from his recent useage), so it opens a lot of possibilities.

Zemo also has taken this approach as well. From his Thunderbolts run, he seemed to have his finger better on the pulse of the blue collar villain better than anyone.

Frost, I think would work great as a counter-point to Scott's growing pro-active nature. Frost isn't the sort to play second-fiddle to Scott and it should be obvious that she has different ideas on the matter than he does.

Namor is just the perfect fit for their opposite. He's on both sides, and he's usually contrary to everything despite being tied to everything (an Avenger, constant FF character, member of Dr. Strange's core Defenders team, and he's even a friggin mutie!).

Stane and Red Skull don't fit into the Anti-Villain angle. And if they formed a group it would be more like a new Masters of Evil than a Villain Illuminati.

[Willowhugger]

My pick for the Villainous Illuminati. Please note that the Red Skull would never get on this because Doctor Doom and Magneto hate him.

1. Doctor Doom (Reed Richards)
2. Mandarin (Tony Stark)
3. Magneto (Xavier)
4. Dread Dormarru (Stephen Strange)
5. Kang the Conqueror (odd man out)

[Monty_Cristo]

I think an Anti-Villain angle would work the best. If they are just "let's get together and be evil!" the idea seems kinda dumb. I'd want these to be the guys that destroyed a Skrull world after the Kree-Skrull world, telling them not to mess with us or we seriously will cut you.

1. Dr. Doom (Reed)
2. Mandarin (Tony)
3. Baron Zemo (Steve)
4. Emma Frost (Scott)
5. Namor (himself)

Dr. Doom is obvious. He can have his "villain bastard" moments, but he can also have his "this is the best way for humanity moments as well."

Mandarin because I'd love to keep his current characterization, plus it fits in with the motif. Plus, I think he's fairly underused as a character (as from his recent useage), so it opens a lot of possibilities.

Zemo also has taken this approach as well. From his Thunderbolts run, he seemed to have his finger better on the pulse of the blue collar villain better than anyone.

Frost, I think would work great as a counter-point to Scott's growing pro-active nature. Frost isn't the sort to play second-fiddle to Scott and it should be obvious that she has different ideas on the matter than he does.

Namor is just the perfect fit for their opposite. He's on both sides, and he's usually contrary to everything despite being tied to everything (an Avenger, constant FF character, member of Dr. Strange's core Defenders team, and he's even a friggin mutie!).

Stane and Red Skull don't fit into the Anti-Villain angle. And if they formed a group it would be more like a new Masters of Evil than a Villain Illuminati.


i forgot about Zemo (why isn't he in the real one?). good call.

[Josef F.]

1. Doctor Doom

Because he is Dr Doom.

2. Mystique

Infiltration purposes, and kickass fighting.

3. Namor

He is allied with Doom. Changed sides. Interesting

4. Loki

Loki has the powers.

5. Purple Man

Can control anyone, and Is a big old hedonist.
Also likes apples.

6. Dormammu/Nefaria.

Because everybody needs a bit of Magic

[Wild Card13]

First off, I figure if there are six in the original Illuminati, there should be six in the Villuminati. I'm reading this more as the villains having their nastiest put into a room to plot the course of supervillainy, and here's what I came up with:

1) Doom
2) MODOK
3) Mister Sinister
4) Ultron
5) Ezekiel Stane
6) The Mandarin

Doom, naturally, sits at the head of the table. During Secret Wars, every bad guy turned to him for leadership unconditionally (except for Magneto, but he's complicated). Magic, technology, and a small country at his disposal, he is the everyvillain.

MODOK represents the terrorist networks of the world, and is there as a force of pure strategy.

Sinister, of course, has his seeds planted deep in mutant affairs, an asset which would be valuable to a group such as this. Also, he's incredibly dangerous, and therefore useful.

Ultron, I imagine would be the potential usurper to Doom's throne. He would represent Avengers-type villains, huge global threats who pop up every once in a while, as opposed to the others who sort of slow burn beneath the surface.

Ezekiel Stane is new to the table, but he'd bring in some valuable insight. I imagine that if anything, Doom would be intrigued by him, and he would make a strong enough impression on the other members of his own will.

The Mandarin, in his latest characterization, has almost become the Marvel equivalent to Ra's Al Ghul. He, like Doom, would be a more "sophisticated' member of the group with the patience necessary for the long job.

Red Skull was left off the list for obvious reasons, and I feel that Magneto has been getting too heroic nowadays for the others to be comfortable with him around. Baron Zemo was just off my list, but I thought that there was so much that they could do with Stane that I decided to put him on instead. Also, his family's Nazi past would not sit particularly well with Doom, methinks.

[mcgaffer]

1. Dr. Doom- has to be no.1 on everyone's list.
2. Magneto- Doom respects Magnus alot. He would be Doom's first invitee to the group.
3. Kingpin- How often does this man crawl up from the gutter. He has too many contacts not to be useful.
4. Sebastian Shaw- has bases all around the world. As well as one of the most effective mutant power teams in the world.
5. Baron Zemo- A team reluctantly accepted into confidence by every other heros team. Doom must harness this.
6. Enchantress- Capable of worming her way back into Thor's affections and thus nullifying the threat of the Asgardians.

Doom would never have the Red Skull as a member. He is a gypsy, and Skull as a nazi tried his best to wipe gypsies out. Also he must make a decision. Does he want Magnus or Skull because one won't work with the other. The gypsy code is strong.
Loki and Mephisto are too unpredictable and are too wild too control. Enchantress can be bound by her love for Thor.
Count Nefaria is a good power player. But then again so is Juggernaut. The others bring useful contacts and info to the table, these two can be hired as easily as Taskmaster.

[TheDreamingCelestial]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Mandarin
3. Sebastian Shaw
4. Kingpin
5. Baron Zemo
6. Loki

The way I see it, they do not really function as a group but converge after critical events just to share notes on the so-called super heroes who set their projects back.. they have a relatively high degree of contempt for each other, or simply see them irrelevant but nevertheless they consider these once every couple of years meetings as an asset so that they can maybe one day expose the weaknesses of the damned heroes who keep faltering their schemes of world domination.

edit: i've just seen mcgaffer's team and it's really like mine. here i was being happy that i was to first to think of shaw and kingpin :( i do not think that mags would collaborate with the others on such a secret cabal though. he is just straightforward.. although having him in this group would present interesting stories..

[mcgaffer]

The idea behind Mags being part of the team is the human element. He can live with the X-Men in his world. But the Avengers and the FF protecting and enforcing humans rights. Mags would indeed take advantage of secret info to get past those inconveviences.

[carswell13]

1- Paste Pot Pete
2- Madcap
3- Dr Bong
4- Jigsaw
5- Mole Man

[Siddon]

1- Paste Pot Pete
2- Madcap
3- Dr Bong
4- Jigsaw
5- Mole Man

Your ignorance of le great leapier demonstrates your fat american senisibilities. Viva la France Viva La Socar Viva la Cheese Viva la Batroc

[mcgaffer]

Viva la France Viva La Socar Viva la Cheese Viva la Batroc


Oh, come on. How could you forget Viva la garlic. I thought we rehearsed this.

[Expletive Deleted]

To preface this, I'm going for more of an out-and-out villainous team. From the looks of Bendis's line-up, it's more designed to oppose the actual illuminati than it is to perpetrate evil.

Okay, so . . . we want villains from each of the major villain spheres (magic, mutants, tech, organized crime/terrorism), one person from an offshoot of humanity, and at least one person who's guaranteed not to go entirely along with the program.

Doom, Magneto, and Loki are obvious choices. They're sufficiently iconic and cover important bases in terms of area and opponents. They've worked together before, and form a strong nucleus for the team. Magneto is a little more benign than the other two, but we can probably use his recent trauma and the current state of mutantcy as an excuse for villainy.

For the crime/terrorism side of things, it's tough. Kingpin's out of the picture at the moment, Zeke Stane and The Hood are interesting but don't have the pedigree, Madame Hydra plays even less well with others than the rest of the bunch, Red Skull can't work with Magneto or Doom, and MODOK is awesome but overlaps with tech villainy. I'd go with Count Nefaria. He's been something of a punching bag in the past, but that could be an interesting angle for him. His powerset and Maggia connections could make him an interesting member of the group. And he even works as an Iron Man foe, to a degree.

Instead of an Inhuman, I'd go with an Eternal. Druig, to be specific. He's evil, he's psychic (in addition to his other Eternals powers), and he's currently ruling a small Eastern European country.

For the ambiguously villainous team member, Baron Zemo is a great choice. Plus, he fits with the malign nobility/villainous aristocracy theme I've got going here. Namor'd work here, too. I think I'd go with Zemo, though. For all his occasional rampaging tendencies, Namor doesn't go in for sustained villainy. He doesn't plot. He vents.

[Siddon]

Viva la France Viva La Socar Viva la Cheese Viva la Batroc


Oh, come on. How could you forget Viva la garlic. I thought we rehearsed this.

I stick my giant nose down at you for your garlic sensibilities, I will now go watch a film about a crying clown learning the accordian.

I am sure you will watch something with explostions and fart jokes and women with small hips and large breasts.

[mcgaffer]

Well tha's the plan anyway. You forgot the bit where i eat pizza and drink beer.

[Sir_Hawkeye]

1.)Loki
Shes the most evil god we have, and the only one to challenge Thor.

2.) Red Skull
Obvious reasons, see Cap series.

3.) Dr. Doom
Oh come on!

4.) The Tinkerer
This man is the master of super villain design, how can he not be here!

5.)Mandarin
His great power and tactical genious!

6.) Baron Mordo
Only wanted five but truly you need someone who can have your back when it comes to magic!

[Siddon]

Well tha's the plan anyway. You forgot the bit where i eat pizza and drink beer.

You may try and class your self up but we know you really meant to eat Twinkee's and drink NiqghtQuill

[mcgaffer]

Ok, how did you get hold of my diary. If i had the power id limit you to a month of nothing but Dr. Bong jokes as punishment. But i can't......So imagine i did.

[carswell13]

Your ignorance of le great leapier demonstrates your fat american senisibilities. Viva la France Viva La Socar Viva la Cheese Viva la Batroc



Wow....I so forgot him.
My apoligies.

[Alan2099]

What's Baron Von Strucker's status as the moment?

[Joe Acro]

The Illuminati cover six bases.

Black Bolt--Representative of the Inhumans and, one could argue, all things space.
Doctor Strange--Representative of magic
Namor--Representative of 75% of the planet
Professor Xavier--Representative of the mutants and the X-Men
Iron Man--Representative of the Avengers, while bringing business sense
Mr. Fantastic--Representative of the premiere superteam

Iron Man and Reed together represent technology. Black Bolt and Namor are both kings.

All six members are from Earth.

Now, I'm going to work it like this. I'm going to pull characters to fit those same criteria, make sure they're stable enough to work together, and mostly fill it with the heroes' counterparts.

1) Doctor Doom. Like Iron Man and Fantastic, he has technology. Like Namor and Black Bolt, he rules over his own land. And considering he pulled his country from the muck, essentially, he's got a fair amount of business sense as well.
2) Magneto. He's the antithesis to Xavier. He's a well known, powerful member of the mutant community. Like Xavier, he brings a fair amount of character insight.
3) Baron Mordo. He may always play second fiddle to Strange, but the man knows his stuff. Out of Earth-born magic-based villains, he's the best.
4) Mandarin. Like Iron Man, he has a fare amount of business sense. Running the underworld of Japan is a business after all. Like Black Bolt, he represents something fundamentally alien about society, since his rings are not from Earth.
5) Attuma. That 75% of the planet needs someone to vouch for them. And he's just as arrogant as Namor is.
6) Druig. As ED described above, he's the ideal replacement for Black Bolt. He represents a fundamental alien part of the world, he is a ruler, and he can play with others.

Admittedly, this team doesn't quite work at the current time--as Magneto is depowered and Mordo's status of being alive or dead is vague (at best)--among other concerns--but I think it works. I feel sure there's some point in history where that team would make sense.

[Monty_Cristo]

1.)Loki
Shes the most evil god we have, and the only one to challenge Thor.

2.) Red Skull
Obvious reasons, see Cap series.

3.) Dr. Doom
Oh come on!

4.) The Tinkerer
This man is the master of super villain design, how can he not be here!

5.)Mandarin
His great power and tactical genious!

6.) Baron Mordo
Only wanted five but truly you need someone who can have your back when it comes to magic!


it could work. Mordo hasn't gotten much play.

The Illuminati cover six bases.

Black Bolt--Representative of the Inhumans and, one could argue, all things space.
Doctor Strange--Representative of magic
Namor--Representative of 75% of the planet
Professor Xavier--Representative of the mutants and the X-Men
Iron Man--Representative of the Avengers, while bringing business sense
Mr. Fantastic--Representative of the premiere superteam

Iron Man and Reed together represent technology. Black Bolt and Namor are both kings.

All six members are from Earth.

Now, I'm going to work it like this. I'm going to pull characters to fit those same criteria, make sure they're stable enough to work together, and mostly fill it with the heroes' counterparts.

1) Doctor Doom. Like Iron Man and Fantastic, he has technology. Like Namor and Black Bolt, he rules over his own land. And considering he pulled his country from the muck, essentially, he's got a fair amount of business sense as well.
2) Magneto. He's the antithesis to Xavier. He's a well known, powerful member of the mutant community. Like Xavier, he brings a fair amount of character insight.
3) Baron Mordo. He may always play second fiddle to Strange, but the man knows his stuff. Out of Earth-born magic-based villains, he's the best.
4) Mandarin. Like Iron Man, he has a fare amount of business sense. Running the underworld of Japan is a business after all. Like Black Bolt, he represents something fundamentally alien about society, since his rings are not from Earth.
5) Attuma. That 75% of the planet needs someone to vouch for them. And he's just as arrogant as Namor is.
6) Druig. As ED described above, he's the ideal replacement for Black Bolt. He represents a fundamental alien part of the world, he is a ruler, and he can play with others.

Admittedly, this team doesn't quite work at the current time--as Magneto is depowered and Mordo's status of being alive or dead is vague (at best)--among other concerns--but I think it works. I feel sure there's some point in history where that team would make sense.


i don't know much about Druid but he is certainly making moves over in Eternals. what about Yandroth or Kang? surely the time stream needs representation.

[mcgaffer]

You know what, i just got this great idea. Spider-Man regains his memories, watches his family get wiped out and then flips. He forms the Anti-Illuminati. I'd read it.

[Joe Acro]

what about Yandroth or Kang? surely the time stream needs representation.
Mordo can travel through time. Like Strange, he was there at creation. And he worked with his dad during WWII, going back in time to do so.

[Expletive Deleted]

What's Baron Von Strucker's status as the moment?He's alive and active, I think, although not in overall charge of Hydra.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Morgan Le Fay.

Loki.

Mephisto.

Nightmare.

Satana.

[PLEDGE]

The Kingpin
Dr. Doom
Magneto
Red Skull
Mandarin

[Wild Card13]

3) Baron Mordo. He may always play second fiddle to Strange, but the man knows his stuff. Out of Earth-born magic-based villains, he's the best.


Actually, hasn't it been said that Doom is next in line for the position of Sorceror Supreme?

I don't know about all the inclusions of Magneto. The way he's been playing nowadays, Magneto has been a bit too heroic compared to some of the other people being put forward, and on top of all that he's currently depowered and leader of a nation of ghosts. He has very little, I think, to offer to the Villuminati.

[CyberHubbs]

Okay. I've had time to consider it. Hm...

1. Dr. Doom (He's a definite, of course. I assume his motivation is that, despite being a villain, Victor takes the knee to no one, alien or human. With the 'imbecilic heroes' failing to do their job, it falls upon Doom's humble shoulders to rescue Earth.)

2. Baron Von Blitzschlag (His successful cloning gives them a veritable army of Captain America-like soldiers. He loves heez boys! He's also 'old school', and likes to go on rants about the 'good ol' days, when being a Nazi meant something. Now it's all aliens and gods, blah blah blah!'.)

3. Wizard (The Baron's clone army needs weapons and armor. The Wizard supplies this.)

4. Madam Masque (Dreadnoughts, baby.)

5. Mephisto (In some suitable disguise, of course. He likes Earth as his little playground. He doesn't like Skrulls, though. The wink and fingerpoint at Spider-Man in passing would be well worth his strange alliance.)

[Lucky Luciano]

Doom- A great leader with excellent technolgy

Magneto- another great leader and can deal with Doom as long as mutants are protected

Dark Beast- since I can't see Magneto working with Sinister and McCoy's genetics knowledge is second to none

Sebastian Shaw- criminally underrated, a survivor, and a businessman. More reasonable than the other villianous businessmen

Mandarin- just to give him a run with the top guys and see how that meshes out

Saying all of that, I wouldn't mind seeing Sinister team up with Doom as well.

[Nefarius]

1.Dr Doom
2.Loki
3.Mandarin
4.Magneto
5.Red skull
6.Leader

Leader is the weak spot in this team but i believe that Stern needs a serious upgrade.I mean that after PAD and McFarlane run in Hulk,we never see Leader doing something great.So putting him in such a great team would be good for him(giving him a chance for greater things)and for the team(he has his own agenda like everyone but he's not as devious as the other five members.)

[hawkeye comeback]

Hmmm i would like to see the anti-illuminati planning to take over the world while disposing of potential threats to thier rule and to what is rightfully thiers the earth.

Dr.Doom: he wants control and he's good at tech and great leader

Magneto: he aids them and deals with them as long as they keep thier promise and give mutants thier promised land, can give the illumanti an army of mutants to help with thier fight.

Neferia: Mafia Guy, opposite of iron man, very powerful, rich and could again provide footsoldiers for thier army through his money

Maximus: mind guy, opposite of black bolt, wants the inhumans under his control.

Loki: will get control of asgard, for helping the illuminati take over earth, anti strange guy.

Namor: he can finally get his life's dream full contol of the sea if he can stomach killing his old friends what a dilemma.

and i kinda wanna have a 6th member who's more just like a weapon: gravatation, doom figures out a way to bring him back and now they have a secret weapon which cann squish anyone.

[boshobosho]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Doombot
3. Doombot
4. Female Doombot
5. Doombot

What you said.

[Joe Acro]

Actually, hasn't it been said that Doom is next in line for the position of Sorceror Supreme?He had to cheat to come in second. And, when last we saw Mordo, I got the impression that he had returned stronger than before.

Which is no slight at Doom. I see no reason that both couldn't be on the team. The current Illuminati had, at its start, three Avengers.

I don't know about all the inclusions of Magneto. The way he's been playing nowadays, Magneto has been a bit too heroic compared to some of the other people being put forward, and on top of all that he's currently depowered and leader of a nation of ghosts. He has very little, I think, to offer to the Villuminati.
Currently, yes. But if we're just designing an Illuminati from somewhen, he'd fit.

[gorthon616]

I think an Anti-Villain angle would work the best. If they are just "let's get together and be evil!" the idea seems kinda dumb. I'd want these to be the guys that destroyed a Skrull world after the Kree-Skrull world, telling them not to mess with us or we seriously will cut you.

1. Dr. Doom (Reed)
2. Mandarin (Tony)
3. Baron Zemo (Steve)
4. Emma Frost (Scott)
5. Namor (himself)

Dr. Doom is obvious. He can have his "villain bastard" moments, but he can also have his "this is the best way for humanity moments as well."

Mandarin because I'd love to keep his current characterization, plus it fits in with the motif. Plus, I think he's fairly underused as a character (as from his recent useage), so it opens a lot of possibilities.

Zemo also has taken this approach as well. From his Thunderbolts run, he seemed to have his finger better on the pulse of the blue collar villain better than anyone.

Frost, I think would work great as a counter-point to Scott's growing pro-active nature. Frost isn't the sort to play second-fiddle to Scott and it should be obvious that she has different ideas on the matter than he does.

Namor is just the perfect fit for their opposite. He's on both sides, and he's usually contrary to everything despite being tied to everything (an Avenger, constant FF character, member of Dr. Strange's core Defenders team, and he's even a friggin mutie!).

Stane and Red Skull don't fit into the Anti-Villain angle. And if they formed a group it would be more like a new Masters of Evil than a Villain Illuminati.

Forgot the sixth member... how else are they going to find the Oblivion Gems so they can wield the Oblivion Gauntlet! I mean one guy couldn't protect two gems! Make it happen Marvel! Oblivion Guantlet!

Instead of an Inhuman, I'd go with an Eternal. Druig, to be specific. He's evil, he's psychic (in addition to his other Eternals powers), and he's currently ruling a small Eastern European country.

Perfect choice. When I realized I didn't have a 6th member, I really had trouble thinking of the 6th... Loki or some magic guy was the obvious inclusion, but Loki didn't really fit into my Anti-Villains take on it and I'm not familiar enough with the magic guys to really speak on them...

Druig is awesome though. It gives the Eternals a nice foothold in the MU, fits the theme, and I find the character/Eternals to be interesting.

It does make Emma redundant power-wise, to replace Emma I'd go with...

Sebastian Shaw. Of course, Carey is playing with him in Legacy, so that play might change him. But I think he's very underrated and it seems he has lost his old position within the Hellfire Club so he's free to roam.

So...
Dr. Doom
Namor
Mandarin
Zemo
Druig
Shaw

[Lucky Luciano]

Actually, hasn't it been said that Doom is next in line for the position of Sorceror Supreme?

I don't know about all the inclusions of Magneto. The way he's been playing nowadays, Magneto has been a bit too heroic compared to some of the other people being put forward, and on top of all that he's currently depowered and leader of a nation of ghosts. He has very little, I think, to offer to the Villuminati.

The Destiny Diaries have already shown that Magneto is getting his powers back and will have all of his influence yet again. From the two minis he's getting this Fall, it's not that far off. He hasn't been anywhere near the villian stance since 2001 in truth but the way he does things are why he's more gray than anything anyway. Magneto is beyond good and evil. He's the villian who's intentions are for the best.

[SquidSquod]

Thanos

His resurrection (est 2011) is worth one evil illuminati arc (est 2010).

[gorthon616]

Thanos

His resurrection (est 2011) is worth one evil illuminati arc (est 2010).

Boo. Keep him dead. He's with his woman now.

Plus I'd like to see him play out a role now as Silver Surfer equivalent of Death, the Herald of Death or something to that effect.

[Monty_Cristo]

people must not respect the Mad Thinker. i don't think that anyone has used him. even Reed Richards deferred to the Thinker.

[Shellhead]

I think the Villain's Illuminati members should meet some basic requirements:

1. High intelligence (no Rhino)
2. Based on Earth (no Thanos or Dormammu)
3. Based in the present time period (no Kang)
4. Command vast resources and and followers (no Wizard or Kingpin)
5. Have interests and goals beyond mere evil (no Mephisto)
6. Capable of cooperating with each of the other members (no Red Skull)
7. Brings a distinctive perspective
8. Big reputations (no Ezekiel Stane)

Also, I think there could be six or seven members, given that the regular Illuminati once included Black Panther. With all of the above in mind, I choose:

Doctor Doom - Brilliant scientist, monarch of Latveria, and a man who keeps his word.

Magneto - The Malcolm X of the mutants, a brilliant inventor in his own right, and former leader of Genosha. For a while, he was even headmaster at Xavier's school. If the whole Illuminati thing wasn't such a retcon, there could have been a period of time when Magneto took Xavier's place in the Illuminati.

Namor - WWII veteran, prince of lost Atlantis, and former Avenger, Namor could fill the same role in this Illuminati as in the other. He has worked with Doom on multiple occasions in the past, though their clashing egos and tempers have almost always caused problems.

Yellow Claw - instead of Mandarin, who is primarily a disaffected though powerful loner, Yellow Claw has ties to the Chinese government as well as his own global criminal organization. He has battled Captain America, Iron Man, SHIELD, the Avengers, the Agents of Atlas, and even Mandarin. He is about 150 years old, which gives him more of a long view than the rest of this group.

Kro - as ruler of Lemuria, I believe that he is a better representative of his people (the Deviants) than Druig is of the Eternals. He is immortal, and has had a long-term relationship and two love-children with Thena of the Eternals.

Nicholas Scratch - Son of Agatha Harkness and leader of New Salem, an entire city of witches. He is a far better representative of the dark side of mysticism on Earth than Baron Mordo, a selfish power grabber who rarely cooperates with anybody.

[Jadeskies]

1. Dick Cheney
2. George Bush
3. The guy who created 8+ seasons of power rangers
4. Bill Gates
5. The guy who created Pokemon

[Monty_Cristo]

my gentleman's club is a little more under-the-radar. i basically used the criminal masterminds who actually avoid the spotlight.

1. Tristam Silver http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12840/315346-195415-hobgoblin_super.jpg

2. Roderick Kingsley http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/76097-155963-hobgoblin_super.jpg

3. Larry Cranston http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Mrfear.jpg

4. Sinclair Abbott http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/152194-61581-spymaster_super.jpg

5. Daniel Berkhart http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6362/170160-18809-mysterio_super.jpg

[Jadeskies]

Has anyone conscidered Apocalypse? I mean he did take over a very mean alternate reality.

[Trey]

Mandarin
Doom
Loki
Zemo
Ultron
Thanos

[Wild Card13]

Has anyone conscidered Apocalypse? I mean he did take over a very mean alternate reality.

Apocalypse would not play well with others, not at all. If you ask me, the X-villains most likely to join up with these types would be the greedy Sebastian Shaw or Mister Sinister, who has a well-known history of collaborating with several major X-villains.

Am I the only one who thinks MODOK might be a good choice? He's one of the foremost terrorists in the world, and he'd certainly be a more willing collaborator than Madame Hydra.

[drupgyu]

1. Dr. Doom
2. Mandarin
3. the Leader
4. Morgan Le Fey
5. Loki

Honorable (or is it , 'Dishonorable'?) Mentions

Ultron(too anti-human?)
And Namor if anti-land-dweller
Enchantress
Green Goblin
Kang

Magneto wouldn't work because how could the group be pro-mutant?

[Jeff-E]

1) Doom -Anti Reed-Its a villain Illuminati, how can you not have Dr.Freakin-Doom???
2) Loki -Anti Strange-Fills in both that whole mystical aspect, and gives a token female, if thats really needed.
3) Magneto-Anti Xavier- he's a far better villain than hero/antihero any day, plus he can represent the Mutants.
4) Norman Osborn/Green Goblin-Anti Stark- he runs Oscorp and he's a genius
5) Kang-Anti Black Bolt- yeah he's from the future, but he won't leave the modern era alone. Plus he has some weird relationship with Doom
6) Attuma-Anti Namor- If the villains won, someone would have to represent the seas, and if I remember correctly he's got some Atlantians on his side. Plus isn't he kind of a badass in his own right?

[mastaflan]

1. Dr. Doom: The ultimate bad guy mastermind

2. Tristam Silver: The lord of the underground

3. Baron Zemo: Royal blood

4. The Mandarin: Asia's finest bad guy

5. The Hood: Americas finest bad guy

6. Loki: most irritating heel

[Monty_Cristo]

1. Dr. Doom: The ultimate bad guy mastermind

2. Tristam Silver: The lord of the underground

3. Baron Zemo: Royal blood

4. The Mandarin: Asia's finest bad guy

5. The Hood: Americas finest bad guy

6. Loki: most irritating heel

Norman Osborn is America's finest bad guy! how do i know this? Parker Robbins wouldn't be dangerous at all if he were naked.

[Shatterstar!]

Count Nefaria
Graviton
Magneto
Dormammu
Juggernaut
Bullseye

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

1. Doctor Doom
2. Loki
3. Red Skull
4. The Mandarin
5. Magneto

The idea seems fun, but I don't that a holocaust survivor and a Nazi would scheme together.

Magneto would bludgeon the Red Skull to death with a baseball bat named Doctor Doom.

[brundlefly]

1. Doctor Doom
2. Loki
3. Red Skull
4. The Mandarin
5. Magneto

The idea seems fun, but I don't that a holocaust survivor and a Nazi would scheme together.

Magneto would bludgeon the Red Skull to death with a baseball bat named Doctor Doom.

Your list is pretty much the same lineup as the 80s "Acts of Vengeance" inner circle, where your "Mags goes after the Skull" prediction came true (although Mags didn't use Doom as a baseball bat). :biggrin:

I think any secret cabal of the A-list Marvel world-beaters is probably going to end up like that story did: lots of entertaining infighting and everyone scheming against everyone else until violence finally erupts. A lineup similar to Monty's cabal of coldly logical business-villains (Kingsley, Abbott, etc.) is more likely to work out, since those guys are more apt to pool resources to exploit opportunities, control a particular market or environment, etc. for the purpose of making money or amassing power. As long as those two goals are being reached, they can keep their egos in check and not fight about who the "leader" is. The likes of Doom, Mandarin, Loki, Skull, etc. all have cartoonishly huge egos, see themselves naturally as the ultimate leader/mastermind of any group, and don't care for sharing with others or taking orders. Meanwhile, genocidal types like Ultron or "classic" Thanos are just as likely to kill their Illuminati "allies" as their enemies.

[theardri]

1. Doctor Doom
2. Loki
3. Red Skull
4. The Mandarin
5. Magneto

The idea seems fun, but I don't that a holocaust survivor and a Nazi would scheme together.

Magneto would bludgeon the Red Skull to death with a baseball bat named Doctor Doom.


Nah Mags is more subtle (and vicious than that) he would grab every bit of iron in his hemoglobin, every metal in his enzymes then extract it slowly, all teh while beaming the image to Israel.

[BugsySig]

1. Dr. Doom

2. Magneto

3. Baron Zemo

4. Mandarin

5. Madam Hydra

[TotalWorldDomination]

A Villain Illumniati would be limited by there ablity to work together and actualy share information, as such, it would be vital that the villans involved not be chaotic (say goodbye Loki) or mustache twirling evil (Norman Osborn).

In addition a Villuminati would have to exist with people who have proven they can work together or at least have a GRUDGING respect for eachother. The ablity to "Play nice" is going to be key to a villian info-sharing group, and I picked villains that have shown they can at least work together on a basic trade level.

Oh and since the real illuminati had 6 members, so will mine!

1) Victor Von Doom- Fills part of the Richards, Strange and Stark positions. Represents a Villan with diplomatic immunity, a national power-base and near-unlimited resources. Respected/feared by the entire villian community. Is also one of the most accomplished weilders of the dark arts in existance.

2) Sebastian Shaw- Represents the Hellfire Club, an important pillar in the upscale supervillain community. The HC is ligitimate and takes it's villiany from a respectible angle. Also with having a membership that is largely non-superhero related the HC is a great way to gather information about the mundane world.

3) Prince Namor- Anti-Hero? Villian? Whatever, he's in with the "wussy" illuminati and thus is there source on that. He also has the whole hatred of land dwellers thing going, and that could work for him.

4) Madam Hydra (Viper)- Represents Hydra, and presents it's most intellegent and appropreate face to the world. Sure she'll peper her speach with hydran propaganda, but she leads the largest terrorist network in the world, and gets respect for it.

5) Wilson Fisk- The link between Organized Crime and Supervillany, the Kingpin has been screwed by the superheroes too many times to NOT take advantage of the formation of an evil illuminati.

6) Mystique- Represents the old Brotherhood of Mutants faction, Mystique realizes that her foes are now largely connected to the rest of the superheroic community after the civil war, and thus must integrate herself with the supervillians as well.

[Missaukeean]

Dr. Doom, Thanos, Loki, (is Magneto still a villian?), Apocalypse, Ultron

[Haquim]

My pick:

-Doctor Doom (Reed Richards)
-Mr Sinister (Xavier)
-Maximus the mad (Black Bolt)
-The Mandarin (Iron Man)
-Dormammu (Doc Strange)
-Namor (Namor)

-Doom is the obvious choice. He's the best marvel Villain, someone with the willpower (before the power) to force his own will on others and topple destiny itself. The ultimate tyrant, the ultimate saviour.

-Sinister has his own genetic agenda. He's really powerful, yet his long term planning has failed time and again. Maybe with the help of other supervillains he can accomplish his aims...

-Wants to rule over the inhumans. The dark Illuminati are a mean to that end...

-The Mandarin wants to topple society as we know it and forge a new age. Who better than the other dark Illuminati to get that?

-Dormammu... this is difficult. Personally the most powerfull of the bunch by far and with an extradimensional demon king agenda to accomplish. My work with the other trough proxies in order to weaken earth mystical defences in order to conquer it. Doom may be playing a very dangerous game by courting his support while trying to stop him without him noticing.

-Namor: in for revenge against those who destroyed his country and forced his people into diaspora. The avenging son is back and wants blood...

[princesa]

1. Magneto

2. Loki

3. Doom

4. Namor

5. Skrull Queen

[Arrogantcur]

Your list is pretty much the same lineup as the 80s "Acts of Vengeance" inner circle, where your "Mags goes after the Skull" prediction came true (although Mags didn't use Doom as a baseball bat). :biggrin:

Yeah, that's what I wanted to say. :smile:

FTR, Magneto didn't originally know that the Skull was the same guy who fought Cap in WWII. Upon finding out that he was, he confronted the Skull.

Magneto told the Skull that even though he wasn't directly responsible for running the death camps in which Magneto was traumatized and lost his family, the Skull had still willingly served the Nazi regime and that it was very bad for him to do that.

While this conversation is going on, the Skull's guards and automated defenses are trying to kill Magneto and he is effortlessly neutralizing them all with his powers.

The Skull tries to get Mags to let down his guard by talking about how they really weren't that different in that they both want to see their own race reign supreme. Then the Skull gets close enough to Magneto that he hits him with a some gas he's called his "dust of death", which kills its victim and caused the skin on their head to shrivel up and turn red, giving them the same appearance as the Red Skull (who was previously exposed to his own dust by accident but lived through it because of his clone body).

The dust doesn't work on Mags because he's got a force field up. Before he can retaliate, the Skull traps him in a plastic bubble and flees. Magneto is able to free himself pretty quickly and chases the Skull through his building, dealing with the Controller (who was working for the Skull at the time) and a bunch of gun-toting Skull-bots. He finds train tracks at the end of the trail. Surmising that the Skull has used them to flee, Magneto uses his power on the tracks and causes the Skull's escape vehicle to jump the tracks and crash.

Magneto catches up with the unconscious Skull and takes him away.

When the Skull wakes up, he finds himself underground. Magneto tells the Skull that he is in an abandoned bomb shelter.

Magneto has removed the ladder, so the Skull can't reach the trapdoor entrance/exit at the top of the shelter.

Magneto has removed all the lights.

Magneto has not left the Skull any food.

Magneto has left the Skull several jugs of water, which he advises the Skull to ration carefully; the Skull will be here for a long time, Magneto says.

Magneto tells the Skull that if he just killed him, he would be no better than the Skull. So he will leave the Skull there, isolated in the dark without light or food or anything to occupy his mind. He levitates out of the trap door and tells the Skull that he wants the Skull to suffer so badly that he'll wish Magneto had killed him.

A few issues go by, and when we next see the Skull we find that Magneto's plan is working pretty well. Here's what it says on the first page of the story:

Time has lost its meaning for this man...

So has light...

So has sound...

The only thing that is real to him is the impenetrable darkness surrounding him and the hunger gnawing at him from within...

This man in the criminal known as the Red Skull.

He has given up trying to guess how long he has been locked in this abandoned fallout shelter twenty feet beneath the earth. Down here in the dark, there's no way to know...

He has given up trying to leap for the trapdoor in the ceiling, through which he was brought into this dismal place by the arch-mutant Magneto. It's out of reach...

He has given up screaming, pacing, and beating his fists against the concrete walls. He has even given up drinking the water his captor left for him...

This is in Captain America, volume one, #369 if you feel like buying the issue.

If not, after that he begins hallucinating and sees figures from his past telling him that the only way out is suicide and that he should kill himself. Then he sees a vision of Captain America who tells him not to give up, that he (Cap) wants the Skull alive so he can bring him to justice and that this is not justice, etc. The Skull is convinced by his "enemy" to hold out for a while longer.

He's eventually found and rescued by Crossbones, Mother Night and Machinesmith. But by then he's lost the will to live and is not in good shape at all. Crossbones is shocked when he looks into the Skull's eyes and sees how broken his spirit is. The Skull is able to give Crossbones an order: "Take me home to die."

Crossbones wants to restore the Skull's will to live and his ambition, but nothing works. The Skull uses up some more of the little energy he has left to say he wants to see Captain America one last time, so his underlings arrange for Cap to show up. Upon seeing Cap, all of the Skull's hatred for the Captain wells up. At that point he no longer wants to let his body give out and die; he wants to stay alive so he can defeat Captain American, so he can have his revenge on Magneto, etc. At the same time, Captain America looks into his eyes and is horrified to realize that the man he's looking at is the same one he faced in WWII. Up until then Cap believed this Skull to be a copycat, but he remembers the eyes from decades ago. Cap leaves the place partly because he doesn't have anything he can arrest the Skull on and partly because he's so shocked by the fact that his old enemy is back and what it means for the world.

(I really do have too much free time, don't I? :wink: )

[HulkSmash666]

Arch-rivals:

Dr Doom (Reed Richards)
Magneto (Professor X)
Attuma (Namor)
Mandarin (Iron Man)
Baron Mordo (Dr Strange)
Maximus (Black Bolt)

A team that can fuck them up in battle:

Dr Doom (Reed Richards)
Apocalypse (Xavier)
Abomination (Namor)
Ultron (Iron Man)
Loki (Dr Strange)
Count Nefaria (Black Bolt)

The Big 6:

Dr Doom
Red Skull
Magneto
Kingpin
Green Goblin
Loki

X-Villain Illuminati:

Magneto
Apocalypse
Mr Sinister
Shadow King
Sebastian Shaw
Selene

[Omega Alpha]

To counter the Illuminati:

Doom (Reed)
Loki (Strange)
Sinister (Xavier)
Mandarin (Iron Man)
Maximus (Black Bolt)

Namor plays on both teams.

But one uniting all the big names that could work together for more than a couple of minutes would have:

Doom
Loki
Sinister
Mandarin
Norman Osborn
Count Nefaria

This team would have much more chances of losing to itself than to the heroes. Doom would fight with Loki, Nefaria and probably Mandarin to run the whole thing, Osborn would be his usual psychopathic self and be dismissed by the others due to being low-powered, and Sinister would try to manipulate everyone.

"People" like Ultron, Apocalypse or Thanos wouldn't work due to being too homicidal: for them, death of nearly everybody is the goal.

Overall, is just not possible to have a working evil Illuminati that lasts long, really.

[Big Fresh]

1. Doom
2. Magneto
3. Loki
4. Mandarin
5. Baron Mordo
6. KINGPIN