View Full Version : Do you like change? Or the status quo for X-Men?
david r
06-29-2008, 07:44 AM
Do you like change for the X-Men? The Mansion, school studies, Professor Xavier in his wheelchair. A stable cast of mutants? The mutants a secret society hiding under the radar of humanity.
Or.........do you like change for the X-Men? Change like when the Mansion was blown up, the mutants headed to worldwide adventures, far away from the School? No Charles Xavier to guide them. And a constantly rotating cast of characters. We see this from time-to-time, like in the Outback era. But do you like it?
So which do you prefer best for X-Men? The continual status quo, or the X-Men's world mutating and changing into new horizons?
Rachel Grey
06-29-2008, 07:48 AM
That really depends. There's logical evolution and then there's just plain randomness.
Not really a fan of the random unless it's Deadpool doing something lulzy.
Sentinel K
06-29-2008, 07:51 AM
I like the ever changing line up. The constant flux like what Claremont had back in the day.
What i'm not so much a fan of is the way it's done sometimes, with creative team and editorial change-overs.
timbox
06-29-2008, 08:00 AM
Not sure I can pick either, I guess it depends on the writer.
jarrod
06-29-2008, 08:00 AM
Agreed. I like change in the canon, but consistency in the creative team.
I like change. The Morrison era was rife with change, the best change was when the school was outed to the world. Also enjoyed the outback era greatly.
I loathe M-day though. Too blatantly obvious one chief-editor's personal distastes dictating the storyline, then wasting 3 years to pick up on it, then big promises and too little payoff so far.
So it entirely depends on the change. If it flows naturally then fun. If blantantly editorially mandated not so much.
Steven F.
06-29-2008, 08:36 AM
I like change. Not really an ever changing membership, etc, but change. Going back to when the X-Men were in the Outback...which I think was pretty far away from "status qou", but what I consider the best time in the X-Men.
Weird...I have posted two posts in a row where I mentioned this team. :D
Michael Sean
06-29-2008, 08:40 AM
I like change. The X-men are about evolution so it makes sense for them to be ever changing and ever evolving.
Though I do miss certain characters when they aren't a part of the current lineup. But thats also what is good about so many x books to showcase all these characters.
I like change as the story/writer dictates, but this change should be without some sort of editorial mandate or when a new writer comes on board. At the mansion, the school is too safe & hidden away from the real world. I preferred the X-Men when they took over the Reavers Outback town & were eventually scattered to the four winds due to circumstances beyond their control as the X-Men came back slowly together, but the team, again, had changed. The X-Men should still try to fulfill Xavier's dream & remain true to themselves though.
psycwave
06-29-2008, 08:45 AM
I like change. Not really an ever changing membership, etc, but change. Going back to when the X-Men were in the Outback...which I think was pretty far away from "status qou", but what I consider the best time in the X-Men.
Weird...I have posted two posts in a row where I mentioned this team. :D
Because the "Outback" team was the ultimate team!!! O yeah and I like change. if the staff does it right though, not just okay "No longer are we defenders of mutant rights, lets just kill everyone in sight"....
xgeek52
06-29-2008, 09:06 AM
change is always good, only when it doesn't effect what the book is all about...
i never liked the changes during the morrison run but now i understand them a little better...everyone here knows my feelings about house of m and decimation...
i'm thinking this new change represents what has been done over the last two or three years -- and maybe it's a good thing...
i hope so...
HeckBoy
06-29-2008, 09:16 AM
I like change. I'd still prefer there to be a student class, but other than that, I don't really care if they operate from the mansion or what. I liked Morrison's run for the most part and the change that came with it. I still regret not having an actualy Xorn around. He represents one of the things I liked about the run: a uniquely-powered/looking mutant that was "effective," yet still cool looking. I admit, I prefer "pretty" mutants, but I think Xorn had something that transcended that preference.
Hi-Fi
06-29-2008, 09:40 AM
I love changes. I think the X-Men ARE all about changes.
Kylun123
06-29-2008, 09:47 AM
I like consistency. For me that means school, a base of operations and a defined team. Although I do like there being a wealth of characters, and no need to see everybody in an every issue, or even every story arc.
Swashbuckler
06-29-2008, 09:48 AM
I like that the X-Men are getting out of the school. To me, that hampers my belief that they have time to teach and be super-heroes, or that parents would allow their children in that kind of chaotic atmosphere to learn general stuff like Algebra. The X-Men have needed a new leader aside from Professor X for a while, and I'd like to see the Professor still eba ctive, but not as a member of the X-Men. Maybe in a more general MU role, or perhaps with his own cadre of ex-X-Men performing some other tasks aside from peaceful co-exsistent non-sense.
My one problem that I have with the San Fran stuff is that this is very similar to when the X-Men moved to the Outback. They were supposed to move their to hide from their villains and then attack them, but it didn't seem to work to well. Instead they just got pwned by the Reavers.
What does interest me is the huge rotating cast. It gives everyone a chance to be a player and makes it more likely that old plot strings will be cleared up.
Phil Hunn
06-29-2008, 09:50 AM
I'm not a big fan of change if it's just change for change's sake. Or if it's change that buggers up the characters involved for no apparent pay-off.
If it follows naturally and is done for good reasons, then sure, why not?
lockerogue
06-29-2008, 09:51 AM
I need an in between option. I love both of the choices.
La Fea
06-29-2008, 12:28 PM
I've never liked this "do you like change" question. Its really a case by case basis for me about whether or not the particular change is enjoyable.
AndrewS
06-29-2008, 12:29 PM
I like realism. Just sticking with the same safe formula gets boring. There has to be occasional change to keep things interesting. However, you can't just abandon the winning formula. I am not too happy with the way things are right now but I am still looking forward to see where it is going.
Deep_Sleeper
06-29-2008, 12:47 PM
I like change. I can understand the need for it and I can respect it.
I'm glad they are keeping Jean dead...that is until they inevitably bring her back.
I liked the fact they were keeping Colossus dead, but they brought him back. Now they have brought him back, I don't mind, but I wasn't wallowing in sadness when he was dead. He was a great character before his death and he's still a great character.
I like it when companies try new things and stick with it. I love the fact that Marvel has decided to keep in the route set by Civil War. Keep the feeling hostile. I like they have wiped out most of the mutants and are keeping to it.
KiplingKat
06-29-2008, 01:07 PM
The question shouldn't be "Do you like change" so much as "Do you like change for creativity's sake?"
After reading the X-Men for 24 years, change is a given. Change has to take place for character growth, to react to situations, to experiment to try something new, to keep pace with changing social concerns and cultural standards. Xavier's role in the X-Men has been changing since, Jeez...issue #15? That is just the way it is. Sometimes it works and it's good, sometimes it doesn't and it's bad. Whatever.
But what I resent are changes executed poorly, and those created simply for marketing's sake, which seems more and more to be the obvious driving force in Marvel comics today. Sure, they always wanted to sell comics, but that wasn't the driving force in creative decisions back in the day: They used to trust the stories to sell themselves. They can't seem to do that anymore. "We're going to alter the entire M.U. in a Big Event (TM) order to make you buy a bunch of miniseries and crossovers!!! Moneymoneymoneymoney$$$$ *drool*"
That kind of thing just annoys me to no end.
pryde15
06-29-2008, 01:11 PM
I've never liked this "do you like change" question. Its really a case by case basis for me about whether or not the particular change is enjoyable.
I support this statement.
Seres
06-29-2008, 01:24 PM
I like change, but what I like more is when they stick to it. Can we just decide if Xavier should be in or out of a wheelchair and keep it at that? He's been at the heart of most of the changes, but then nobody sticks to them - he goes in a wheelchair, then he's cured, then he's back, then cured again. He loses his telepathy, but then gets it back... change is good, but too often the writers have negated the changes previous people have made. I think that, even if the original story wasn't that good, the writers should stick to the continuity it made and work new stories out of it...
Mostly though, I likes me some change. San Fran should be fun.
peaceful co-exsistent non-sense
Yea! What was marvel thinking for the past 50 years or so!
Magneto was right! Kill the humans!
Kage Kisaragi
06-30-2008, 04:36 AM
A little bit of A a little bit of B.
Michael P
06-30-2008, 04:46 AM
My one problem that I have with the San Fran stuff is that this is very similar to when the X-Men moved to the Outback. They were supposed to move their to hide from their villains and then attack them, but it didn't seem to work to well. Instead they just got pwned by the Reavers.
How is the current move in any way similar?
LawGiver
06-30-2008, 09:23 AM
I like it when they change things in the status quo I don't like. I don't like when they change things in the status quo I like.
psycwave
06-30-2008, 09:26 AM
Yea! What was marvel thinking for the past 50 years or so!
Magneto was right! Kill the humans!
i support this statement...
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